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--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on January 06, 2006, 12:56:08 AM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on January 06, 2006, 12:43:16 AM ---So it is a known fact that some Jews aren't descendants of those exiled.
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lol This is becoming real philosophical, almost on some chicken and egg shit. Thing is that the above quoted phrase is not known for a fact. Yes it is known that the Khazar tribe converted.Yes it is known that some Ashkenazi Jews have more than just semite genes. What is not known is whether you can present a Jewish person (Not a convert- a Gior) and show that he has absolutely no semite linkage whatsoever(The massive convertion of Khazars doesn't prove anything otherwise, because an intermix would make a Jew descendant of both semites and non semites). The moment you do that, only then,can we talk about numbers. As long as the researches that have been conducted prove that every Ashkenazi Jew tested is confirmed for semite genes, you have no case, only assumptions.
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1. It's not philosophical at all. It involves two things... two things foreign to Zionists, yet two very important things... common sense and facts. It is a known fact that entire populations converted.
2. I know you're a Zionist, but once again we have to deal with facts and figures... don't be scared.. they're not as scary as you guys make them seem to be. First let's use the word "research" because there was only one presented... not "researches". Then check the size of the sample, and compare it to the population of Ashkenazi Jews (approx 80% of about 14 million?... that's about 11 million people!)... LOLL.
3. See let's take a look at this... before you embarass yourself again (claiming that I rely on generalizations.. LOLLL read my sig ;) ).... you claim I'm making assumptions. I'm saying we can't make assumptions because there are no facts and figures... you say "well some people were tested"... you disregard that there are about 11 million Ashkenazi Jews... and ASSUME that MOST of them are descendants of Semites. I'm avoiding the assumptions... you're making them. If you're not making an assumption... then present some evidence to back up and prove your "fact".
This is kind of sad and funny at the same time... I really feel sorry for you... and other people like you... especially Zionists...
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on January 06, 2006, 12:56:08 AM ---lol This is becoming real philosophical, almost on some chicken and egg shit.
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It's sad to see that facts are so foreign to you that when you're presented with them or asked to prove one... this is how you feel. LOLLLLLLLL
I TO DA GEEZY:
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on January 06, 2006, 12:43:16 AM ---So it is a known fact that some Jews aren't descendants of those exiled.
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When someone defines himself as an Arab we understand that his ethnic origin is the Arab peninsula. When we define someone as a Russian we understand his ethnic origin is Russia.
When we define someone as a Jew we understand his ethnic origin is Judea. Being a Jew does not always/only mean following Judaism(A made up term for the Abrahamic religion), it is a signification of ethnic and geographic origin(This is one of the reasons to why converts are not defined as Jews in the Halacha but as Goirs, usually done to wed\intermix with a Jew- The offspring will be considered a Jew). When one wishes to disprove this singnification as valid, one needs at least one specimen to support the theory. Bottom line, it is NOT known for a fact that some Ashkenazi Jews aren't semites\descendants of those exiled. The research showes that those Ashkenazi Jews who were tested had all semite origins in one way or another, thus reinforcing the singnification of origin-> to stop the research from coming to a conclusion such as "Ashkenazi Jews do not primarily descend from the Khazar tribe" a researcher would need at least one Ashkenazi Jew that would lack semite genes completely.
J @ M @ L:
--- Quote from: I TO DA GEEZY on January 06, 2006, 01:31:48 AM ---
--- Quote from: JML - no vowels, disembowel your Colin Powell, throw in the towel on January 06, 2006, 12:43:16 AM ---So it is a known fact that some Jews aren't descendants of those exiled.
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When someone defines himself as an Arab we understand that his origin is the Arab peninsula. When we define someone as a Russian we understand his origin is Russia.
When we define someone as a Jew we understand his origin is Judea. Being a Jew does not always/only mean following Judaism(A made up term for the Abrahamic religion), it is a signification of ethnic and geographic origin(This is one of the reasons to why converts are not defined as Jews in the Halacha but as Goirs, usually done to wed\intermix with a Jew- The offspring will be considered a Jew). When one wishes to disprove this singnification as valid, one needs at least one specimen to support the theory. Bottom line, it is NOT known for a fact that some Jews aren't semites\descendants of those exiled. The research showes that those Ashkenazi Jews who were tested had all semite origins in one way or another, thus reinforcing the singnification of origin-> to stop the research from coming to a conclusion such as "Ashkenazi Jews do not primarily descend from the Khazar tribe" a researcher would need at least one Ashkenazi Jew that would lack semite genes completely.
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You have just proven to us how ignorant you really are.
When someone defines himself as an Arab, it doesn't necessarily mean he's from the Arab peninsula. People in Morocco may consider themselves Arab, even if none of their ancestors are from the "Arab peninsula". It's not black and white... people may define themselves based on a common culture, language, etc.
A Jew doesn't necessarily have to be from Judea. Were the Khazars not Jews? :)
The fact of the matter is there are no numbers, so it is impossible for one to make an assumption... which is what you did. What is a known fact is that there are converts, including entire populations who converted. Also, if research shows they're of Middle Eastern origin... that also doesn't necessarily mean they're descendants of those exiled... because then you would be making ANOTHER assumption... that no people in the Middle East converted.
J @ M @ L:
Your claim: Most Jews are descendants of those exiled.
You state this is a fact.
Ok, prove it. There are about 14 million Jews... if you show me facts and figures proving that at least 50% of those are what you say they are... then you're right. If you can't, then it's not a fact.
:)
I TO DA GEEZY:
Guilty untill proven innocent or innocent untill proven guilty.
I guess now I know which one of these you favour^......lol
I wasn't the one to question Jewish ethnic origin, you were the one who claimed Ashkenazi Jews were in no way semites. You made the ungrounded claim, so you have to prove it.
So far, the default option was reinforced by this specimen research, meaning your claim was refuted->Tested Ashkenazi Jews were all semites in one way or another.
P.S I'm sorry that you don't see the diff between origin and ethnic origin, might be my fault.
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