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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: ironmike on December 09, 2009, 06:23:09 AM
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week 1 @ no.4: 156,863 units
week 2 @ no.21: 59,717 units (down 62% from last week)
week 3 @ no.42: 26,705 units (down 55% from last week)
total units sold so far: 243,285
by looking at the sales trend, BISD will sell around 13,000 units next week.
looks like this album will struggle to go gold, or maybe will not even reach gold
since 50's contract with interscope is finishing up soon, i dont see interscope that keen on renewing their contract with 50 on a deal that 50 would be satisfied with, so i would think that once his greatest hits album comes out, he will find a new label.
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50 should start his own Indy label - he has enough money for promotion, everybody knows him, and he makes a lot more money per sold unit on his own indy label - plus he has the freedom to do whatever the fuck he wants.
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And he was mocking Rick Ross Triple Cs Record Sales 8)
But
Deeper Than Rap ----> BISD
::) Sales Anit Mean Shit !!
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Nah nah nah
Nah Nah Nah
Hey Hey Hey
GOOD BYE!
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;DEPIC FAIL ;D
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BISD > Deeper than Rap
He's done all the marketing himself. It doesn't even seem he's had major funding from the label in a while.
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He's done all the marketing himself. It doesn't even seem he's had major funding from the label in a while.
u kiddin me right
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no matter what happens 50 will be alright. he dont have to make music anymore anyways. buti guarantee he will.
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great fuckin numbers!!!
haters STFU!!!!
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week 1 @ no.4: 156,863 units
week 2 @ no.21: 59,717 units (down 62% from last week)
week 3 @ no.42: 26,705 units (down 55% from last week)
total units sold so far: 243,285
by looking at the sales trend, BISD will sell around 13,000 units next week.
looks like this album will struggle to go gold, or maybe will not even reach gold
since 50's contract with interscope is finishing up soon, i dont see interscope that keen on renewing their contract with 50 on a deal that 50 would be satisfied with, so i would think that once his greatest hits album comes out, he will find a new label.
Man this nigga is really taking a double dose of his own medicine. He is single-handedly the reason we even look at these numbers and pay attention to shit like the infamous 2nd week drop off. These numbers are fuckin awful and I don't see them getting any better since the album doesn't have anymore commercial songs. What a way to self destruct.
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He's done all the marketing himself. It doesn't even seem he's had major funding from the label in a while.
u kiddin me right
No, not really.
There's no doubt he's getting a taste of his own medicine and to some, such as the og poster and apparently you, it's shocking. It's how the game is. Compared to Relapse this has had not much marketing.
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Both Em and 50 didn't have some grand marketing scheme. They're both big enough (well 50 was) to promote themselves. Like Em only did the VMA's and one Shade 45 tour that was pretty much it. 50 was everywhere. The difference is in the quality of the music, "men lie women lie, numbers don't"
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I'm not going to get into a "quality of the music" discussion. They both released dope albums. They both get hated on. It is what it is. I've already discussed the merits of Before I Self Destruct in it's official thread. To even reference Jay's comment is funny.
50 being everywhere isn't a reflection of interscope. It's a reflection of 50 working on promotion of his album. Nor is it NOT a reflection of Interscope. It just feels like 50/Unit had a falling out sometime before TOS with Interscope.
Maybe Em didn't have more marketing from Interscope but it feels like he did.
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The point I was trying to make is that they are well established artists, that know how the system work so they probably don't need Interscope holding their hands when it comes to promoting an album. Or maybe Interscope didn't even believe in the projects, as much as Jimmy Iovine gets hated on for making some questionable single choices, I think he knows what he's doing and 50's whole album sounded outdated and just very plain.
I don't see how quoting Jay's comment is funny, when it's completely on point. We are talking about mainstream artists on a major label here not some independent dudes. For me comparing BISD to Relapse is quite laughable but everybody has their own taste.
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I understand what you're saying about them being built artists already but I think it's more they don't believe in the projects. 50 went for an old school sound on purpose. It's not what's currently selling. His fault. The labels to.
Jay's comment is ass because by that standard what matter is what sells the most. That's why it's laughable. He's been saying the same shit for years. I have never agreed with that statement. It was funny when he said it at the grammys but beyond that it's a shitty perspective.
How is comparing BISD to Relapse laughable?
I'm not sure why I'm having this conversation.
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Well for me because Relapse sounds like a proper album while BISD sounds like a mixtape, full of 3 minute or less songs with 2 verses and zero replay value.
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They both manage to sound like an album - i.e a collection of tracks that are distinct yet are similar in atmosphere. They both have their distinct missteps (Eminem's We Made You is to 50's Could've Been You). Lyrically they both stay on track to their content.
I don't even want to even began to have a conversation about defining what is and isn't a song. I keep hearing about mixtape content but I don't really understand that either. I guess if he had just released the album instead of giving us two free tapes people wouldn't be able to say that.
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Both Em and 50 didn't have some grand marketing scheme. They're both big enough (well 50 was) to promote themselves. Like Em only did the VMA's and one Shade 45 tour that was pretty much it. 50 was everywhere. The difference is in the quality of the music, "men lie women lie, numbers don't"
i see you jocking jay z jocking jay z
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Grimey music doesn't move units on a major level anymore, but for real I don't see any way duke can be happy with those numbers.
I hope this doesn't change Fifs artistic direction too much, just needs to get some more polished beats and shit'll be perfect
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I hope this doesn't change Fifs artistic direction too much, just needs to get some more polished beats and shit'll be perfect
Oh don't you dare blame the production. 50 has always had the best of the best beats right there at his disposal. Its not the producers fault that no one wants to hear him mumble about being shot, being in the club, or personifying sex as candy / amusement parks over and over again.
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I hope this doesn't change Fifs artistic direction too much, just needs to get some more polished beats and shit'll be perfect
Oh don't you dare blame the production. 50 has always had the best of the best beats right there at his disposal. Its not the producers fault that no one wants to hear him mumble about being shot, being in the club, or personifying sex as candy / amusement parks over and over again.
I'm talking about a perfect album, not sales. On Get Rich he had the street content, except he had polished beats too match it, this is his first album where the production wasn't amazing...
And sorry but where's the Song about being shot, the sex personification song or the in the club song on this album?
This album was all hustling, robbing, street shit with a couple songs about girls...
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Lol at people complaining about subject matter when every other artist recycles topics. Jay Z's been talking about his money and how he's runs shit for ages but now hes doing it a lot shitter. Raekwon was talking about coke again same with the Clipse. 50's album was dope bar a couple tracks where poor hooks and weak beats let him down.
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Even if you ignore the recycling fact (he litterally says the same shit over and over again, way worse than Jay), BISD had weak hoks, beats, flow, voice tone. OBFC2 had great production, hooks, vibe and he was a storyteller, while 50 acts like he's still in the hood (not in a storytelling way).
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Even if you ignore the recycling fact (he litterally says the same shit over and over again, way worse than Jay), BISD had weak hoks, beats, flow, voice tone. OBFC2 had great production, hooks, vibe and he was a storyteller, while 50 acts like he's still in the hood (not in a storytelling way).
Jays been doing a lot of the same shit since Vol 1 and both of them have switched their flows up for the worse. 50 has never done the physcotic killer thing before and even with GRODT it wasn't much from the view of a soldier. True unlike Raekwon he doesn't follow a concept throughout but hell there's enough rappers that act hood when they're living it up (Clipse were on Till the Casket Drops but they're excellent at it). I've heard enough big production albums from 50 so this imo was a nice change but at some points it did border between a grimey album and sounding too amteurish.
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True true. I still think that Jay reinvents himself every time he releases an album, that's why he's in the game for 14 years with 11 number 1 albums. I don't know, 50 just sounds so forced lately, he doesn't have that natural flow, seems like he's not having fun at all. I think he thinks too much like a businessman when it comes to music, he always says how tracks have to be under 3 minutes because the DJ changes the tracks or whatever. That's the core of the problem, he goes into the studio like "ok, this has to be a club single, catering to this demographic...". And it's always so mechanized; intro hook, verse, hook, bridge, verse, outro bridge.
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I hope this doesn't change Fifs artistic direction too much, just needs to get some more polished beats and shit'll be perfect
Oh don't you dare blame the production. 50 has always had the best of the best beats right there at his disposal. Its not the producers fault that no one wants to hear him mumble about being shot, being in the club, or personifying sex as candy / amusement parks over and over again.
I'm talking about a perfect album, not sales. On Get Rich he had the street content, except he had polished beats too match it, this is his first album where the production wasn't amazing...
And sorry but where's the Song about being shot, the sex personification song or the in the club song on this album?
This album was all hustling, robbing, street shit with a couple songs about girls...
The in the club songs are the ones that never took off and caused the album do be delayed so much ("Get Up" and "I Get it In"). Fine you caught me, theres no sex personification song on the album but there is "Baby By Me" which if you listen closely to the verses is just a wacker version of "Ayo Technology". And the getting shot thing...I won't even get into that. This nigga had an album, a video game, a book, and a movie about him being shot.
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True true. I still think that Jay reinvents himself every time he releases an album, that's why he's in the game for 14 years with 11 number 1 albums. I don't know, 50 just sounds so forced lately, he doesn't have that natural flow, seems like he's not having fun at all. I think he thinks too much like a businessman when it comes to music, he always says how tracks have to be under 3 minutes because the DJ changes the tracks or whatever. That's the core of the problem, he goes into the studio like "ok, this has to be a club single, catering to this demographic...". And it's always so mechanized; intro hook, verse, hook, bridge, verse, outro bridge.
nah I found I was laughing at some of what 50 said. Some of lines were actually pure comedy. I find Jays album was too formulaic. Everything was made in an inoeffensive way with guests to hold up the album and big name producers to help gain interest. Every rapper goes in with the 'ok I need a club single' mentality thats part of the mainstream.
And GangstaBoogy did you even listen to the album? I don't think this is an album that will blow minds or anything but I think its a good album. I don't know what some of you actually want from a 50 album or if you set your expectations to something he'll never do just so you can moan.
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GangstaBoogy sounds mad at 50 for his career choices and making money off highlighting one portion of his life story.
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GangstaBoogy sounds mad at 50 for his career choices and making money off highlighting one portion of his life story.
And you sound like someone who has no clue what you're talking about. Go read my older post, I always have and always will take my hat off to 50 for his business choices, which at this point I feel he should stick to. But as far as him as an artist - he fuckin sucks. Dude is just dull, overly cocky, and repetitive as hell. BISD has some good grimey tracks but like someone else already said, the album sounds like a mixtape. Call me when 50 realizes that songs should have 3 verses.
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GangstaBoogy sounds mad at 50 for his career choices and making money off highlighting one portion of his life story.
And you sound like someone who has no clue what you're talking about. Go read my older post, I always have and always will take my hat off to 50 for his business choices, which at this point I feel he should stick to. But as far as him as an artist - he fuckin sucks. Dude is just dull, overly cocky, and repetitive as hell. BISD has some good grimey tracks but like someone else already said, the album sounds like a mixtape. Call me when 50 realizes that songs should have 3 verses.
not every song needs 3 verses. not every verse needs to be 16 bars
fuck a formula
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GangstaBoogy sounds mad at 50 for his career choices and making money off highlighting one portion of his life story.
And you sound like someone who has no clue what you're talking about. Go read my older post, I always have and always will take my hat off to 50 for his business choices, which at this point I feel he should stick to. But as far as him as an artist - he fuckin sucks. Dude is just dull, overly cocky, and repetitive as hell. BISD has some good grimey tracks but like someone else already said, the album sounds like a mixtape. Call me when 50 realizes that songs should have 3 verses.
not every song needs 3 verses. not every verse needs to be 16 bars
fuck a formula
Lol he says this with the SH album cover in his av.
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A song should have 3 verses? LOL!
You take an L.
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You missed GB's point, it's not like 50 has some sort of a unique style and goes for let's say 32 bars per 2 verses. If anything sounds formulatic it's 50's 2 verses songs, they don't sound like complete songs but some album leftovers that he had laying around in the computer and it's always hook, verse, bridge, hook, outro bridge. Often with like 8 bars per verse.
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I enjoy the album. I don't agree with his or your assessment. I don't think they sound like leftovers nor do I think they sound incomplete. I don't find it dull or boring. I don't think he needs to have 3 verses. I think he fulfils what he meant to do with the material.
If anything some of the later tracks should be removed - okay, you're right & could've been you don't match with the sound of the album.
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i'm sure he went platinum on the internet though
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i'm sure he went platinum on the internet though
Lol if there was an actual certification for internet buzz Joe Budden would have gone mulriplat
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week 4 sales of 50cent's album , doesnt make the top50 , so the sales of his album havnt been published. we can assume he did around 13-15k.
so with the last 3 weeks of sales for 50's album, which totals 243,285 units, if we add another 15k for week 4, that would put 50cent's album just under 260k in total.
thats a long way from going gold, given the such low numbers sold each week. i dont know if it can reach gold.
also jay-z's album aint in the top50 either, but he's already platinum
snoop only done 60k for his 1st week sales, which is his weakest effort yet on a debut.
here's the top sales chart:
http://hitsdailydouble.com/sales/salescht.cgi
CHART DATE: 12/14/2009
LAST UPDATE: 12/15/2009 13:06:12
NOW IN: FINAL
1 1 SUSAN BOYLE COLUMBIA 582,724 +14%
I DREAMED A DREAM
2 2 ANDREA BOCELLI DECCA 391,686 -10%
MY CHRISTMAS
-- 3 GLEE VOL. 2 COLUMBIA 171,580 --
SOUNDTRACK
3 4 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 165,311 +27%
FEARLESS
9 5 CARRIE UNDERWOOD 19/ARISTA NASHVILLE 110,352 +46%
PLAY ON
-- 6 CHRIS BROWN JIVE/JLG 102,489 --
GRAFFITI
7 7 LADY GAGA INTERSCOPE 102,108 +29%
FAME
12 8 JUSTIN BIEBER ISLAND/IDJMG 101,256 +56%
MY WORLD
8 9 MICHAEL BUBLE REPRISE 92,174 +19%
CRAZY LOVE
23 10 GLEE CAST COLUMBIA 89,905 +107%
GLEE, VOL. 1
-- 11 GUCCI MANE WARNER BROS. 89,166 --
STATE VS. RADRIC DAVIS
11 12 MICHAEL JACKSON EPIC 81,903 +24%
THIS IS IT
10 13 NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL MUSIC SONY MUSIC 78,030 +12%
NOW 32
6 14 NORAH JONES BLUE NOTE 75,698 -4%
THE FALL
-- 15 THIRTY SECONDS TO MARS VIRGIN/EMI 71,616 --
THIS IS WAR
15 16 LADY GAGA INTERSCOPE 71,414 +18%
FAME MONSTER (EP)
14 17 TWILIGHT SAGA: NEW MOON CHOP SHOP/ATLANTIC 71,044 +12%
SOUNDTRACK
13 18 JOSH GROBAN REPRISE 70,577 +11%
NOEL
-- 19 JIMMY BUFFETT MAILBOAT 68,506 --
BUFFET HOTEL
22 20 BLACK EYED PEAS INTERSCOPE 64,937 +29%
E.N.D. (ENERGY NEVER DIES)
20 21 MILEY CYRUS HOLLYWOOD 62,140 +20%
TIME OF OUR LIVES
-- 22 SNOOP DOGG PRIORITY/EMI 61,104 --
MALICE 'N WONDERLAND
5 23 CASTING CROWNS PROVIDENT/REUNION 58,756 -26%
PEACE ON EARTH
26 24 LADY ANTEBELLUM CAPITOL NASHVILLE 58,376 +44%
LADY ANTEBELLUM
16 25 STING DEUTSCHE GRAMMOPHON 54,006 -6%
IF ON A WINTER'S NIGHT
19 26 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 51,291 -3%
HOLIDAY COLLECTION
17 27 JOHN MAYER COLUMBIA 50,759 -7%
BATTLE STUDIES
18 28 RIHANNA DEF JAM/IDJ 50,408 -6%
RATED R
27 29 OWL CITY UNIVERSAL REPUBLIC 46,949 +17%
OCEAN EYES
21 30 ADAM LAMBERT 19/RCA/RMG 45,825 -10%
FOR YOUR ENTERTAINMENT
32 31 TIM MCGRAW CURB 43,748 +21%
SOUTHERN VOICE
28 32 CASTING CROWNS PROVIDENT/REUNION 42,462 +11%
UNTIL THE WHOLE WORLD HEARS
37 33 MICHAEL JACKSON EPIC 41,230 +36%
NUMBER ONES
25 34 TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA LAVA/ATLANTIC 41,007 0%
NIGHT CASTLE
24 35 SUGARLAND MERCURY NASHVILLE 39,917 -8%
GOLD & GREEN
-- 36 TIMBALAND BLACKGROUND/UNIV MOTOWN 37,834 --
SHOCK VALUE II
38 37 ZAC BROWN BAND ATLANTIC 37,672 +29%
FOUNDATION
31 38 ALVIN & THE CHIPMUNKS RHINO 37,378 +3%
THE SQUEAKQUEL
43 39 TAYLOR SWIFT BIG MACHINE 36,602 +40%
TAYLOR SWIFT
-- 40 STRAIGHT NO CHASER ATLANTIC 35,819 --
CHRISTMAS CHEERS
36 41 MANNHEIM STEAMROLLER AMERICAN GRAMAPHONE 35,652 +16%
CHRISTMAS: 25TH ANNIVERSARY
41 42 BON JOVI ISLAND/IDJMG 35,261 +30%
THE CIRCLE
4 43 R. KELLY JIVE/JLG 34,112 -71%
UNTITLED
45 44 JASON ALDEAN BROKEN BOW 32,603 +29%
WIDE OPEN
29 45 MICHAEL BUBLE REPRISE 31,681 -16%
LET IT SNOW
30 46 SHAKIRA EPIC 30,500 -17%
SHE WOLF
48 47 DARIUS RUCKER CAPITOL NASHVILLE 29,997 +33%
LEARN TO LIVE
-- 48 CLIPSE COLUMBIA 29,875 --
TIL THE CASKET DROPS
33 49 DAVID ARCHULETA 19/JIVE/ZLG 29,639 -17%
CHRISTMAS FROM THE HEART
44 50 TRANS-SIBERIAN ORCHESTRA LAVA/ATLANTIC 29,615 +15%
LOST CHRISTMAS EVE
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Man this nigga is really taking a double dose of his own medicine. He is single-handedly the reason we even look at these numbers and pay attention to shit like the infamous 2nd week drop off. These numbers are fuckin awful and I don't see them getting any better since the album doesn't have anymore commercial songs. What a way to self destruct.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAHAH. 50 Cent is done.
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50 moved so many cds soundscan wasnt able to count that shit..
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Its always a marketing excuse, lol. Bottom line, 50 has dropped unlistenable shit since his 2nd aftermath album. I can't even remember the name. 50 is easily one of the biggest names, his lack of recent success isn't cuz of marketing, its cuz he puts out crap music simple n plain.
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You can say you didn't like it but it's not crap music.
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the album is actually pretty decent. its got a few bangers on there.
its definately not crap
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You missed GB's point, it's not like 50 has some sort of a unique style and goes for let's say 32 bars per 2 verses. If anything sounds formulatic it's 50's 2 verses songs, they don't sound like complete songs but some album leftovers that he had laying around in the computer and it's always hook, verse, bridge, hook, outro bridge. Often with like 8 bars per verse.
Thank you. I know these dumb niggas get what I was saying. And LOL @ the idiot who brought up me having a Slaughter House avatar. Yeah because they're a 4 man group they have a lot of songs with 2 verses but each of those verses are 32 bars divided by 2 of the rappers. Fuckin idiot.
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You can say you didn't like it but it's not crap music.
you're right, it's not music. it's fucking crap.
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It's not fucking crap. You're just an asshole who has a vendetta.
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It's not fucking crap. You're just an asshole who has a vendetta.
a vendetta, lol.
go on thinking 50 didn't sell because of marketing. i'll go on thinking he isn't selling because he puts out crappy music.
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I don't care if it's marketed poorly or a lack of public interest in 50's music, I enjoy the music. You can state your opinion that it's poor but it's still music.
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BISD and Curtis pretty much suck. I've had my own battles with Jrome a couple of years back when Massacre was the topic of discussion (which I still think it's dope). But BISD is terrible. The numbers speak for themselves, same with Snoops new album.
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It's not fucking crap. You're just an asshole who has a vendetta.
a vendetta, lol.
go on thinking 50 didn't sell because of marketing. i'll go on thinking he isn't selling because he puts out crappy music.
since when is quality music actually selling (again)?
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50 is done lol
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I wonder how these bad sales gonna effect his career. And curious to know what he will do(what direction) on a new album in the future
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I wonder how these bad sales gonna effect his career. And curious to know what he will do(what direction) on a new album in the future
I'm interested as well. He's supposedly got some project called Black Group or some shit.
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i think he'll definately leave interscope, and maybe go to jive , possibly def jam or atlantic records
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You can say you didn't like 50's Before I self Destruc but it's not crap music.
you're right, it's not music. it's fucking crap.
lmao!! my new sig 8)
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Adios 50 and I completely concur this is bullshit when you hear a few bars per verse from him.
50 cent is probably up there with Eminem as the most recognised household name in rap and in music. People are just tired of what he puts out now and as for the album, yeah it had some good songs but a lot of it did feel incomplete and not to mention the fact that his hooks are now pretty damn dire. if his hook game continues to fall off, Ras Kass might have a new challenger.