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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on January 17, 2014, 10:04:48 AM
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Watching Thug Angel part 2, I knew there was always some drama behind the Death Row chain regarding Orlando Anderson. But bother Mutah aka Napolean says in the Thug Angel documentary that Puffy actually put up money for someone to snatch the chain because they wanted to wear it in a Bad Boy video.
I vaguely remember something about Puffy putting up a bounty for a Death Row chain but I never heard it explained as clearly as Napolean explained it.
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puffy gettin' chains snatched > pac's studio gangsta
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Lol^^
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Thug Angel 2? Where is this available to view?
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puffy gettin' chains snatched > pac's studio gangsta
8)
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suge having pictures with puffys ex and holding his child in the source with 'daddys home' on them >over puffy paying someone to snatch a chain
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Shame that Puffy didn't have balls to do that by himself 8)
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suge having pictures with puffys ex and holding his child in the source with 'daddys home' on them >over puffy paying someone to snatch a chain
pimpin curley 1.0 huh?
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http://youtu.be/w75u4KKb3Pw 8) 8) 8)
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puffy gettin' chains snatched > pac's studio gangsta
Not when Puff put money on the chains... and really, it was just one Death Row chain anyway, and not a gang of people snatching chains left and right and leaving them with black eyes. Plus it's not like people were going for the chains out of respect for Puff or to step to Death Row for Bad Boy.
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puffy gettin' chains snatched > pac's studio gangsta
Not when Puff put money on the chains... and really, it was just one Death Row chain anyway, and not a gang of people snatching chains left and right and leaving them with black eyes. Plus it's not like people were going for the chains out of respect for Puff or to step to Death Row for Bad Boy.
either way the fact that he had enough heart to put a bounty on them nigga's chain is enough. meanwhile pac in the booth sendin' idle threats.
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'Pac in the booth maybe sending idle threats, but those threats were backed by Suge, and Sugar Bear was known to make shit hit the fan.
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'Pac in the booth maybe sending idle threats, but those threats were backed by Suge, and Sugar Bear was known to make shit hit the fan.
suge was supposed to ride when puffy's boy killed jake in atlanta.
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'Pac in the booth maybe sending idle threats, but those threats were backed by Suge, and Sugar Bear was known to make shit hit the fan.
suge was supposed to ride when puffy's boy killed jake in atlanta.
And after that, Puff and them stayed away from LA. They came for the Soul Train Awards, had their run-in WITH Death Row, and didn't come back until after Pac died and Suge was in prison (though they got shot at anyway and Biggie got killed). Meanwhile, Pac and Suge had gone to NY a few times and didn't have any problems.
I always thought it was funny how Suge is known to be a big USC football supporter, then Puff's son goes to UCLA. Not saying it's connected, but it was just ironic.
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'Pac in the booth maybe sending idle threats, but those threats were backed by Suge, and Sugar Bear was known to make shit hit the fan.
suge was supposed to ride when puffy's boy killed jake in atlanta.
And after that, Puff and them stayed away from LA. They came for the Soul Train Awards, had their run-in WITH Death Row, and didn't come back until after Pac died and Suge was in prison (though they got shot at anyway and Biggie got killed). Meanwhile, Pac and Suge had gone to NY a few times and didn't have any problems.
I always thought it was funny how Suge is known to be a big USC football supporter, then Puff's son goes to UCLA. Not saying it's connected, but it was just ironic.
niggas still put a bounty on death row chains and got one though. why didn't suge put a bounty on biggie or puffy's chains ?
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Go ask suge yourself.Leave the gossip for the females.
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Go ask suge yourself.Leave the gossip for the females.
what the fuck you mean gossip ? me and another poster discussion the topic of the thread so fall back.
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puffy gettin' chains snatched > pac's studio gangsta
Pac was the real deal. He wasn't a gangsta rapper. His music was reality. You should read the book Pac's homie from Baltimore wrote "Back In The Day" if you think doubt Pac's authenticity.
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Thug Angel 2? Where is this available to view?
I found it on youtube
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suge having pictures with puffys ex and holding his child in the source with 'daddys home' on them >over puffy paying someone to snatch a chain
8)
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http://youtu.be/w75u4KKb3Pw 8) 8) 8)
Anybody have this whole mixtape or link to it? That would of been pretty historic to have been carrying around this mixtape summer of 96. I sure as hell know it wasn't anywhere to be found in the Midwest
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either way the fact that he had enough heart to put a bounty on them nigga's chain is enough. meanwhile pac in the booth sendin' idle threats.
I get your point, that would of been pretty legendary if Bad Boy had done a video in those days wearing a Death Row chain. But don't forget that Pac fucked Biggies wife. So that alone is more than a chain.
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http://youtu.be/w75u4KKb3Pw 8) 8) 8)
And by the way.. what the fuck is up with "Bad Boy's move in Silence" shit he is talking. Are they not rap artists? Is battlin not a part of hip-hop since it's inception? If your a rapper you just gonna let someone destroy you on record like Pac did and not do shit? I mean Pac destroyed them like nobody has ever been destroyed on record, and they just kept making R&B joints like nothing ever happened, and then we get Puffy talking over a record for 6 minutes... what the fuck is that?
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puffy gettin' chains snatched > pac's studio gangsta
Pac was the real deal. He wasn't a gangsta rapper. His music was reality. You should read the book Pac's homie from Baltimore wrote "Back In The Day" if you think doubt Pac's authenticity.
pac was a ballerina turned rodeo for digital under ground turned rapper. I fuck wit his music but him tryin' to be down is what cause his demise.
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either way the fact that he had enough heart to put a bounty on them nigga's chain is enough. meanwhile pac in the booth sendin' idle threats.
I get your point, that would of been pretty legendary if Bad Boy had done a video in those days wearing a Death Row chain. But don't forget that Pac fucked Biggies wife. So that alone is more than a chain.
he may have fucked faith but suge was fuckin' him out his money which he shoulda been more concerned about. you can't be the real deal when you gettin' jerked purposely by people you look at as 'family'.
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All I remember is that Power 106 had to fly people to Hawaii, because Puffy skipped LA on his tour the summer of 1997. Puffy was not a gangsta, and he thought he had the money to match Suge in this war. Eventually both lost their number 1 rappers and Suge tried to out gangsta the system while Puffy went back to his college roots.
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crazy shit. I remember hearing about this back in the days.
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niggas still put a bounty on death row chains and got one though. why didn't suge put a bounty on biggie or puffy's chains ?
Well, the chain stayed where it was at, and it never got to Puff's hands. And it's not like Bad Boy artists were sporting Bad Boy chains anyway, or anything unique other than crosses and Jesus pieces, or really going out anywhere. Plus the gang aspect of the situation was already there... the sets involved beefed already anyway, it's not like there never would've been a scuffle or a chain snatching without the supposed bounty. Plus when the guy who snatched it wasn't even from Bad Boy and the owner of the chain wasn't even a Death Row ARTIST... yeah, it's work getting put in, but it's not exactly Bad Boy putting Death Row in check either. It's like when Tru Life was bragging about robbing Mobb Deep when it was really just some guys in their crew (and not Havoc or Prodigy)... though the incident of him getting Jim Jones chain is a different story.
he may have fucked faith but suge was fuckin' him out his money which he shoulda been more concerned about. you can't be the real deal when you gettin' jerked purposely by people you look at as 'family'.
But it's hip-hop, run by a bunch of guys who rarely have real educations (relative to what their actual job entails)... this is nothing new and not exclusive to Suge and Pac. Puff is known to have fucked over some of his artists. Even Biggie wanted out in the beginning. And pretty much every other Bad Boy act ditched them and talked about how Puff fucked them over... and Puff actually went to school for this kind of thing, interned at Uptown, etc. Remember when The LOX went on the air (probably Hot 97) and talked about how Puff wouldn't give them their publishing, or how 112 was locked in their contract that Puff wouldn't budge on, or how one of the smaller artists who started to get shine (I think it was Black Rob) would get charged by Puff for him to bring his Bentley or whatever to the video shoot? And then there's the incident where he threw Shyne under the bus. Eazy fucked over people, Birdman fucked over people, and it still goes on. And it's not like some of the people who weren't getting their proper payday were fakes either, and they were working under people who were supposedly like family too. And in the end, Suge's money wasn't right either. I'm sure he's got a good amount tucked away somewhere, but a lot of it was mismanaged, like with the IRS problems and lawsuits.
pac was a ballerina turned rodeo for digital under ground turned rapper.
Don't you mean ROADIE?
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All I remember is that Power 106 had to fly people to Hawaii, because Puffy skipped LA on his tour the summer of 1997. Puffy was not a gangsta, and he thought he had the money to match Suge in this war. Eventually both lost their number 1 rappers and Suge tried to out gangsta the system while Puffy went back to his college roots.
Yep.. you and I are O.G. fans at the forum who were actually fans of Pac and death Row as all this shit was going down in real time. You even were rooted out on the West Coast which makes you even more of a first hand source.
I'm actually shocked and slightly impressed that Puffy even had the nerve to talk this shit on a mixtape back in that era. I think after Pac died was when he really tried to flip the script and go back to his college roots, as you said. But seems he had a little more street in him when Pac was still alive. Certainly by the time No Way Out was blowing up he wanted nothing to do with any beefs and his mantra became "I Just Want to Make you Dance" and then by 2,000 he was creating white girl bands to go after the NSync market.
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2Pac was the greatest actor in Hip Hop music ever. He took his phenomenally underrated acting skills to the studio booth and made the world believe he was a "gangster rapper", one who was angry, venomous and crazy. Granted, the media did assist and steer it towards that direction but 2Pac played off of it and encouraged it.
This is not to downplay his ambitions, his end goals or passion because the man did truly want to better the world (all you have to do is look at his roots, and family tree), but he knew from an early age that people weren't going to get behind a gentle, soft spoken, intellectual individual who sat and read books (who he really was) so he created this rap persona because he knew the streets and the area's he felt were affected by the systems wrath, would get behind him more, if he could get on their level.
Although it was an act, it wasn't fake IMO, because the act was well intended, and he was willing to die for it, and did!
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All I remember is that Power 106 had to fly people to Hawaii, because Puffy skipped LA on his tour the summer of 1997. Puffy was not a gangsta, and he thought he had the money to match Suge in this war. Eventually both lost their number 1 rappers and Suge tried to out gangsta the system while Puffy went back to his college roots.
What a move!..skipped LA on tour..this is proof that he is not gangsta.
But, this man is smart..fucked J-Lo in her prime..and maked alot of money.
But he is a bitch,snitch and a coward.
On the Other Hand, Suge is broke..but not a snitch and coward.
Choose One.
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All I remember is that Power 106 had to fly people to Hawaii, because Puffy skipped LA on his tour the summer of 1997. Puffy was not a gangsta, and he thought he had the money to match Suge in this war. Eventually both lost their number 1 rappers and Suge tried to out gangsta the system while Puffy went back to his college roots.
What a move!..skipped LA on tour..this is proof that he is not gangsta.
But, this man is smart..fucked J-Lo in her prime..and maked alot of money.
But he is a bitch,snitch and a coward.
On the Other Hand, Suge is broke..but not a snitch and coward.
Choose One.
I choose Suge, because there are a lot of rich people who can't look their own self in the mirror. Suge can look himself in the mirror and he knows what he stood for and he knows that he loved Pac and Pac loved him and that he rode for Pac, and 100 years from now people will still love 2pac, and Puffy will be remembered as one of Pacs enemies.
This is rap music we are talking about, and Suge kept it real and that shit came thru in the music. Your supposedly a rap fan but it sounds like you care more about who fucked jennifer lopez and makes more mney now
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All I remember is that Power 106 had to fly people to Hawaii, because Puffy skipped LA on his tour the summer of 1997. Puffy was not a gangsta, and he thought he had the money to match Suge in this war. Eventually both lost their number 1 rappers and Suge tried to out gangsta the system while Puffy went back to his college roots.
What a move!..skipped LA on tour..this is proof that he is not gangsta.
But, this man is smart..fucked J-Lo in her prime..and maked alot of money.
But he is a bitch,snitch and a coward.
On the Other Hand, Suge is broke..but not a snitch and coward.
Choose One.
I choose Suge, because there are a lot of rich people who can't look their own self in the mirror. Suge can look himself in the mirror and he knows what he stood for and he knows that he loved Pac and Pac loved him and that he rode for Pac, and 100 years from now people will still love 2pac, and Puffy will be remembered as one of Pacs enemies.
This is rap music we are talking about, and Suge kept it real and that shit came thru in the music. Your supposedly a rap fan but it sounds like you care more about who fucked jennifer lopez and makes more mney now
No man... "the fucked Jennifer Lopez" line is an irony.
Suge look on the mirror, he knows he did the best that could be done.
That's what counts actually.
Loyalty over all.
Suge is a real gangsta...but a great guy
and the media made him the "evil" .
P.Diddy maked wrong things, like Suge.
But he is wolf in sheep's clothing.
Suge is authentic .
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Suge isn't broke
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Suge isn't broke
compared to Diddy .
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there are a lot of rich people who can't look their own self in the mirror.
oh the irony
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But he is wolf in sheep's clothing.
Suge is authentic .
exactly... and it showed in the music. Other labels were putting out gangsta rap but on Death Row it always sounded more authentic. Even Kurupt used to say in those days you really had to believe in what you were saying behind the mic, you had to be authentic, and that nowadays that's not true in rap anymore.
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Puffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video.
I call bullshit.
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I think they were just smarter not to get caught up in it, whereas Death Row were fuelling it to make money - "New York, New York", "2Pac's Hit em up", "Suge's comments about Puffy on stage".
There was a reluctance to play a lot of West artists, but that's because a lot of West artists sucked. during the 90's there was a huge surge of mediocre rappers survived off of the West's "g-funk" sound and production
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Puffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video.
I call bullshit.
http://youtu.be/w75u4KKb3Pw 8)
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Exactly - terrific actor. Very under-rated. The guy you hear on record is not how he was in real life
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Puffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video.
I call bullshit.
http://youtu.be/w75u4KKb3Pw 8)
How do we know for sure that this was recorded/released while 'Pac was still alive?
As far as I remember, not one person said 'Pac's name (in a disrespectful way) on a song while he was alive.
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Puffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video.
I call bullshit.
http://youtu.be/w75u4KKb3Pw 8)
How do we know for sure that this was recorded/released while 'Pac was still alive?
As far as I remember, not one person said 'Pac's name (in a disrespectful way) on a song while he was alive.
it did. it was the intro of a bad boy mixtape that came out in the summer of '96. even puffy knew that nigga was nothin' to be scared of.
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http://youtu.be/Yb9qNOkv3yc 8)
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Doo Wop & Sun Dullah (King Sun) – New York Love (1996) 2Pac Diss
All Eyez On Sun Lyrics
“You goin overboard with all that, fuck New York shit
trying to dis Brooklyn, but the Boogie ’bout to talk shit
and ain’t no fun, if the Dullah can’t get none
risin in the East, I’m bout to set it on the West, son
Listen, I ain’t even down with who you dissen
far as I’m concerned NY been ass-kissen
for the longest, on the live side I’ma dead it
you aint a trooper, I know that’s all super-unleaded
gas you inhaled from all your record sales
cause you went to California and blew up, but you fail
tryin to dis the big apple, I aint supposed to wanna battle
for a million dollar raffle? You gettin gaffled
soon as I see you got a million
after the battle, I be like “oooh what a feeeelin”
Toyota will be selling me they biggest Landcruiser
money green so niggas could fiend like drug users
winners slap users like pimp slap hoes
and we know Suge is pimpin them hoes on Death Row
you actin like you wanna beef, but talkin below me
you ain’t a real thug, you a real CaliPhoney
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Who Shot Ya? No it wasn’t me and my peeps
you’re talking bout New York, wordup, like something sweet
don’t fool yourself, this ain’t New York Undercover
it’s real like the history of your father and mother
I’m sayin, think about that shit that you did
had a shootout in NY, raped a bitch, did a bid
like you proud of that, then let the world know it happened
first of all you fuckin up for other niggas’ rappin
how you makin movies, selling records, doin tours,
then be up in Denemora (sp), scrubbin other niggas’ drawers?
the whole point in being criminal is gettin paid
son, you paid already, actin Crazy like Eddie
fuck a Thug Life, niggas die being unlawful
let that peer pressure stress ya somethin awful
with the world in ya hand, fuck a man, be a King
you aint even a man cause you under the wing
Heltah Skeltah from the shelter, need protection
now you’re one of Suge Knight’s sons, runnin for election
against Snoop Dogg for that top dog spot
Death Row, Prisoner-of-the-month on lock.
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Now everybody know you from them roles you be playin
so all that make a record shit aint even worth sayin
west coast rappers go platinum in a second
cause west coast niggas go out and buy records
but east coast rappers be on conceited shit
the wack emcees here make repeated hits
they get star-struck and stop giving a fuck
and lyrically, half these niggas suck, and what
just put the real rappers in the ring
let your man bring the beats and whoever do they thing
fuck a record sale, fuck a phoney reputation,
fuck a pimp record label and them suck-dick stations.
Show skills, how ya flow skills, rock a party-
live from the heart, in front of everybody
without a shotty, ain’t no need for all that
get your stupid ass some rikers & tracks, fuck the gats
my people out in Cali aint got nothin to do with this
you on your own dick, partner, and you new to this
I could never dis my peeps in the west
but, that dissin Biggie shit, we still ain’t impressed…”
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http://youtu.be/OAoKzxB78HA 8)
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[Verse 1: Chino XLs]
You prayed for me and I came, how far you niggas wanna push me?
I'm leaving the crowds happy like OJ Simpson when he got his first white pussy
But I'm still annoyed, blowin' through your solenoid
Bringin' more blues to brothers than Jon Belushi and Dan Aykroyd
Governmently engineered like E.Bola for this rap garage sale
By this industry, I'm tryin' not to get fucked like 2Pac in jail
You can hate me, but await me like I'm Magic Johnson's death
In a box with Jordan's pops that ass'll never take another breath
Cause, I write the songs like Barry Manilow
I like my sugar brown like Hugh Grant, fuck D'Angelo
I also remember a line from Chino something like "Where you from L.A., Oakland or Hoboken" taking a shot at Pac.
But looking at this topic, I have to ask
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Puffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video.
I don't think that they were scared about Pac specifically, it was more of Death Row as a whole.
I think they were just smarter not to get caught up in it, whereas Death Row were fuelling it to make money - "New York, New York", "2Pac's Hit em up", "Suge's comments about Puffy on stage".
It's also been said from a number of accounts that Suge just enjoyed punking people who he viewed as his competition, whether he profited from it financially or just felt more powerful afterward when they backed down from him. I remember Bustop in that MTV documentary said that Suge always wanted to have that kind of an image and "felt he had to ride," and I think some of the more recent interviews (maybe conducted by jmix or someone else) with some behind-the-scenes Death Row people said the same thing, and not so much Suge wanting Death Row to do that just because it sold more records. Was it a byproduct? Yes. But not necessarily the main reason.
There was a reluctance to play a lot of West artists, but that's because a lot of West artists sucked. during the 90's there was a huge surge of mediocre rappers survived off of the West's "g-funk" sound and production
That sounds like half of today's rappers, just surviving off of club beats and catchy choruses.
it was the intro of a bad boy mixtape that came out in the summer of '96. even puffy knew that nigga was nothin' to be scared of.
I can't agree with that, when Puff's only replies were on some random intro of a mixtape that only circulated within New York, for the most part... not even on a retail release or at least something that would make its way out to Cali. Everything else, he was being friendly -- from what he said when accepting awards to what he said in interviews to what adlibs he made on whichever project he was involved in. I can respect the fact that he wanted to play it cool, but it's kind of pussy to only talk big on some little mixtape when you're not an underground act restricted to mixtapes.
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I can't agree with that, when Puff's only replies were on some random intro of a mixtape that only circulated within New York, for the most part... not even on a retail release or at least something that would make its way out to Cali. Everything else, he was being friendly -- from what he said when accepting awards to what he said in interviews to what adlibs he made on whichever project he was involved in. I can respect the fact that he wanted to play it cool, but it's kind of pussy to only talk big on some little mixtape when you're not an underground act restricted to mixtapes.
I think that shows you the level of respect that Bad Boy had for the "beef." It was a one sided beef in reality.
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I can't agree with that, when Puff's only replies were on some random intro of a mixtape that only circulated within New York, for the most part... not even on a retail release or at least something that would make its way out to Cali. Everything else, he was being friendly -- from what he said when accepting awards to what he said in interviews to what adlibs he made on whichever project he was involved in. I can respect the fact that he wanted to play it cool, but it's kind of pussy to only talk big on some little mixtape when you're not an underground act restricted to mixtapes.
I think that shows you the level of respect that Bad Boy had for the "beef." It was a one sided beef in reality.
this.
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I can't agree with that, when Puff's only replies were on some random intro of a mixtape that only circulated within New York, for the most part... not even on a retail release or at least something that would make its way out to Cali. Everything else, he was being friendly -- from what he said when accepting awards to what he said in interviews to what adlibs he made on whichever project he was involved in. I can respect the fact that he wanted to play it cool, but it's kind of pussy to only talk big on some little mixtape when you're not an underground act restricted to mixtapes.
I think that shows you the level of respect that Bad Boy had for the "beef." It was a one sided beef in reality.
I would agree with you if nobody from Bad Boy ever said anything. But that wasn't the case. We have:
* Puff dissing Pac back on the mixtape intro we've been discussing
* Biggie and Lil Cease dissing Pac (but not saying his name) on an MTV interview where he said something about Pac getting shot, then being calm, then being a tough guy
* Puff and Biggie's responses in the VIBE to Pac's jailhouse interview
Lopsided beef? Maybe. But one-sided? Definitely not.
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I can't agree with that, when Puff's only replies were on some random intro of a mixtape that only circulated within New York, for the most part... not even on a retail release or at least something that would make its way out to Cali. Everything else, he was being friendly -- from what he said when accepting awards to what he said in interviews to what adlibs he made on whichever project he was involved in. I can respect the fact that he wanted to play it cool, but it's kind of pussy to only talk big on some little mixtape when you're not an underground act restricted to mixtapes.
I think that shows you the level of respect that Bad Boy had for the "beef." It was a one sided beef in reality.
I would agree with you if nobody from Bad Boy ever said anything. But that wasn't the case. We have:
* Puff dissing Pac back on the mixtape intro we've been discussing
* Biggie and Lil Cease dissing Pac (but not saying his name) on an MTV interview where he said something about Pac getting shot, then being calm, then being a tough guy
* Puff and Biggie's responses in the VIBE to Pac's jailhouse interview
Lopsided beef? Maybe. But one-sided? Definitely not.
http://youtu.be/OAoKzxB78HA 8)
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I would agree with you if nobody from Bad Boy ever said anything. But that wasn't the case. We have:
* Puff dissing Pac back on the mixtape intro we've been discussing
* Biggie and Lil Cease dissing Pac (but not saying his name) on an MTV interview where he said something about Pac getting shot, then being calm, then being a tough guy
* Puff and Biggie's responses in the VIBE to Pac's jailhouse interview
Lopsided beef? Maybe. But one-sided? Definitely not.
You're confusing Beef with Battle. Diddy and BIG didn't share the same feelings that Pac had towards them. It was a one-sided beef, not Battle. Bad Body did have responses for the disses, they just didn't put out diss record after diss record.
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You're confusing Beef with Battle. Diddy and BIG didn't share the same feelings that Pac had towards them. It was a one-sided beef, not Battle. Bad Body did have responses for the disses, they just didn't put out diss record after diss record.
Perhaps, but in that scenario, the two (beefing and battling) were practically overlapping. But let's not pretend that Bad Boy was hoping to be friends with Death Row -- they weren't squashing shit, and they were contributing to the beef, just not on wax like you said. Biggie calling into the radio station when Snoop, Daz and Kurupt were filming in NY wasn't some battle shit -- that was beef. It was clear he didn't like them (doesn't matter if Pac was there or not), but he put it out on the radio, and that likely got them shot at. Sounds more like beef than battling to me, particularly when you say or do something that puts their safety at risk. Same thing with Puff putting money on the Death Row chains (again assuming that is in fact true). It wasn't all that one-sided, it's just that there were more publicized stories about what Death Row was doing and saying.
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We think of Pac and all his disses now because we heard them. When Pac was alive the only diss anyone heard was Hit Em Up. It wasn't until after he death all that shit came out. People act like when Pac was alive, all we heard was Bad Boy disses. Pac had an idea of releasing 2 albums on the same day, see who sold more and then squash it.
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We think of Pac and all his disses now because we heard them. When Pac was alive the only diss anyone heard was Hit Em Up. It wasn't until after he death all that shit came out. People act like when Pac was alive, all we heard was Bad Boy disses. Pac had an idea of releasing 2 albums on the same day, see who sold more and then squash it.
Also a good point. Hit 'Em Up was the only real diss track that came out before Pac died. Then the Makaveli CD, which really only had one diss track, and two more with shots at people (Bomb First and the last verse of Toss It Up). It's the bootlegged shit that ended up coming out much later that made people realize how hard Pac was going at everyone. Also, a lot of the random footage and interviews weren't out all at once... they were scattered throughout the years in terms of when they were released. So when we talk about it now, in 2014, we think of all of those things and subconsciously treat it like it was all out there in 1996-1997.
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Perhaps, but in that scenario, the two (beefing and battling) were practically overlapping. But let's not pretend that Bad Boy was hoping to be friends with Death Row -- they weren't squashing shit, and they were contributing to the beef, just not on wax like you said. Biggie calling into the radio station when Snoop, Daz and Kurupt were filming in NY wasn't some battle shit -- that was beef. It was clear he didn't like them (doesn't matter if Pac was there or not), but he put it out on the radio, and that likely got them shot at. Sounds more like beef than battling to me, particularly when you say or do something that puts their safety at risk. Same thing with Puff putting money on the Death Row chains (again assuming that is in fact true). It wasn't all that one-sided, it's just that there were more publicized stories about what Death Row was doing and saying.
I don't think Bad Boy wanted to be Best Friends with Death Row, but Biggie had no issues with Snoop. Snoop obviously didn't feel like he had any beef with BIG or Puff. It was more Pac/Suge vs. Bad Boy than Death Row as a whole. At the time when the Dogg Pound was shot at, there was a lot of issues going on.
It wasn’t even going after New York. It wasn’t a diss record. It really wasn’t. “New York, New York” was a record that we made in dedication to New York. We really felt that New York created hip-hop. New York created battle rap and the whole ball of wax so what I did was a battle rap on this beat DJ Pooh did. That beat originally, DJ Pooh made it for Biggie Smalls for a St. Ides commercial.
It really got blown out of proportion through the media. It also got blew out of proportion by a lot of people from New York because we wasn’t dissing New York. Before we were knocking down buildings, Do you remember the beginning part of the video when we were in New York in the snow and having fun? That’s the original video. We wanted Nas and everybody from New York to be in the video. It was a dedication to New York but then, we got shot at it while we were shooting it.
New York felt we were disrespecting them. [Laughs] The New Yorkers wasn’t going for it. They was like “Oh, no! You ain’t gonna shoot this shit out here dissing us.” They shot at us the next day so I mean, after they shot at us. We went back home and Snoop was like, “Man, fuck that!” Then we shot the other part of the video where we started kicking everything the fuck over. That’s why we started kicking things over because we got shot at it. [Laughs]
http://www.2dopeboyz.com/2013/11/21/tha-dogg-pound-new-york-new-york-not-a-diss/
There was hurt feelings all around.
When I call the beef one-sided, I say that because it was obvious where the aggression was coming from, Pac and Suge. Diddy, BIG etc. defended themselves, sure, but I they weren't fully invested like Pac was. That's why all you got was a Mixtape diss.
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Puffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video.
I call bullshit.
http://youtu.be/w75u4KKb3Pw 8)
How do we know for sure that this was recorded/released while 'Pac was still alive?
As far as I remember, not one person said 'Pac's name (in a disrespectful way) on a song while he was alive.
it did. it was the intro of a bad boy mixtape that came out in the summer of '96. even puffy knew that nigga was nothin' to be scared of.
He clearly wasn't at all scared of being called the "B" word
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Puffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video.
I call bullshit.
http://youtu.be/w75u4KKb3Pw 8)
How do we know for sure that this was recorded/released while 'Pac was still alive?
As far as I remember, not one person said 'Pac's name (in a disrespectful way) on a song while he was alive.
it did. it was the intro of a bad boy mixtape that came out in the summer of '96. even puffy knew that nigga was nothin' to be scared of.
He clearly wasn't at all scared of being called the "B" word
They drop Pac's name in "Who Shot Ya"? Noooooooooooooooooo
Bad Boy fuckin cowards..
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Puffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video.
I call bullshit.
http://youtu.be/w75u4KKb3Pw 8)
I'm well aware of this. You young cats gotta understand that 18 years ago, Internet etc was NOTHING like it is today. No one outside of NY heard that, it stayed local so Puff felt ok about it.
They never said his nor DR's name in a negative light on any major release. They were shook.
Puff didn't hire Orlando anderson to snatch the chain so they could rock it in a video. Never would have happened.
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Puffy and bad boy was scared shitless to even mention 2pacs name, let alone rock a stolen DR chain in a video.
I call bullshit.
http://youtu.be/w75u4KKb3Pw 8)
I'm well aware of this. You young cats gotta understand that 18 years ago, Internet etc was NOTHING like it is today. No one outside of NY heard that, it stayed local so Puff felt ok about it.
They never said his nor DR's name in a negative light on any major release. They were shook.
Puff didn't hire Orlando anderson to snatch the chain so they could rock it in a video. Never would have happened.
18 years ago I was knee deep in hip hop like I am now and while it may be true that most haven't heard the tape it was made. a chain was snatched who's chain did suge put a bounty on ? nobody ! nigga's in ny wasn't scared of pac. dogg pound came out to ny and shots were fired pac got hit and did nothin' but make diss records. niggas had half the heart their records had so what's gangsta or respectful about that ?
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Not exactly Bad Boy related, but Pac punked Nas in person in NY. Yes, Pac was deep, but so was Nas, and Nas backed down. So it wasn't all Pac just running his mouth from 2,000 miles away and then cowering when he actually went there... quite the opposite. And at least his local connections were through people actually down with him (Fatal and people from Fatal's hood) and not just rent-a-goons who he had to pay.
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They weren't scared of this:
(http://kentuckysbaby.edublogs.org/files/2011/07/tumblr_lbjxbz2yAG1qdnr5to1_5001-10h4hfn.gif)
They just knew his family roots and history and knew he was real, but knew that all this "thug" "gangster" shit was a front. Scared? no, but he did have respect. Dude got mad cheers at a Nas concert- a NAS concert. One of the NY people he dissed hard.
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There are situations and situations.
They had Tupac homies, and then, conspired against him.
Big Stretch,Biggie,P.Diddy,Jimmy Henchman and etc..
Bunch of cowards..bitches.
Another different situation, was between E40 and Biggie..E40 punked Biggie hard!!!
and they weren't friends.
E-40 is a real man..he might have conspired against Biggie, but didn't.
A Bitch is a Bitch . A Man is a Man.
P-Diddy used Biggie like a shield. he is responsible for the Biggie death.
And Biggie was carried away by it.
Nowadays..
He is a multi-millionaire, feds and police friendly
He pays for all.
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They weren't scared of this:
(http://kentuckysbaby.edublogs.org/files/2011/07/tumblr_lbjxbz2yAG1qdnr5to1_5001-10h4hfn.gif)
They just knew his family roots and history and knew he was real, but knew that all this "thug" "gangster" shit was a front. Scared? no, but he did have respect. Dude got mad cheers at a Nas concert- a NAS concert. One of the NY people he dissed hard.
this.
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i have talked to almost 50 people involved and no one even remembers this happening. There is NO proof of any lakewood mall incident. zip, ziltch,none.
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Jay z stole calvin kliens face Im just honest
Juelz santanna eats raw bootyhole Im just honest
Wale is lotus petal piece of shit Im just honest
I only fuck with pre-2000 Cash Money Records Im just honest
What the fuck does Trina do Im just honest
Superhead got that new herpes Im just honest
Saw Rick Ross on the affidavit Im just honest
I hate hooodrat bitches Im just honest
Took a shit in that bitches stove and turned it on broil Im just honest
26 inch all gold daytons on the delta 88 drop Im just honest
Told a bitch to wash her funky ass monkey with the hose Im just honest
Going to colorado for some victor baron Im just honest
Puffy look like mr bojangles Im just honest
Mister Cee you got that infection Im just honest
Future, T Pain yall owe Roger Troutmans fam about $100 mill Im just honest
Fuck a video hoe in the ass wit no lube Im just honest
Aint payin these funky hoes shit Im just honest
Fuck the goddamn radio Im just honest
Keefee Dee be snitchin like ella fitzgerald im just honest
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i have talked to almost 50 people involved and no one even remembers this happening. There is NO proof of any lakewood mall incident. zip, ziltch,none.
Fabricated to legitimize the "gang" involvement in the deaths, because even on interviews from artists, you never hear of it. So in essence, the media can pretty much get away with making up anything they like to form a portrayal of something from the public. In fact, this is the mainstream media's role at the end of the day anyway. The only person I can ever recall talking about it is Frank Alexander, but then he has been known to have told lies in the past - maybe not on purpose and is merely mimicking what he has heard elsewhere, but is lies nonetheless.
2Pac was wrong to go about it the way he did because at that time (and remember I was just young at the time) it just looked as if 2Pac was 'bullying' those who wouldn't fight back, but then I know why he did. The way Biggie flaunted around afterwards when 2Pac was dead, was despicable and showed what kind of guy he was. It justified to me why he went at him. Biggie would have all these sly digs toward 2Pac here and there after he was dead and gone (eg: Interview where he says "When I heard he got shot, I was just like 'again'?. I figured he'd just make a few records about it, and that would be it") which in a subconscious kind of way was an attempt to downplay records where 2Pac rapped about "REAL" incidents that happened in his life IE: "just a few records", as if his tracks were just a "few" scraps of irrelevance.
Although he kept it admirable, he would find somewhere to fit in a sly dig. Biggie rapping about "opposition getting fucked four times", "trying to play guerilla, but not being a killer (whereas he was)" and about being the "real don" etc etc. flaunting and bragging in a way that was pretty disgusting and cowardly considering they didn't really say anything when the man was alive - Check the interview when Both Biggie and Puffy sitting like little boys who had just been told off.
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'Pac in the booth maybe sending idle threats, but those threats were backed by Suge, and Sugar Bear was known to make shit hit the fan.
suge was supposed to ride when puffy's boy killed jake in atlanta.
I always thought it was funny how Suge is known to be a big USC football supporter, then Puff's son goes to UCLA. Not saying it's connected, but it was just ironic.
Its Snoop who's the USC supporter, not Suge. Suge went to UNLV. Snoop's son might go to UCLA also.
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i have talked to almost 50 people involved and no one even remembers this happening. There is NO proof of any lakewood mall incident. zip, ziltch,none.
Fabricated to legitimize the "gang" involvement in the deaths, because even on interviews from artists, you never hear of it. So in essence, the media can pretty much get away with making up anything they like to form a portrayal of something from the public. In fact, this is the mainstream media's role at the end of the day anyway. The only person I can ever recall talking about it is Frank Alexander, but then he has been known to have told lies in the past - maybe not on purpose and is merely mimicking what he has heard elsewhere, but is lies nonetheless.
2Pac was wrong to go about it the way he did because at that time (and remember I was just young at the time) it just looked as if 2Pac was 'bullying' those who wouldn't fight back, but then I know why he did. The way Biggie flaunted around afterwards when 2Pac was dead, was despicable and showed what kind of guy he was. It justified to me why he went at him. Biggie would have all these sly digs toward 2Pac here and there after he was dead and gone (eg: Interview where he says "When I heard he got shot, I was just like 'again'?. I figured he'd just make a few records about it, and that would be it") which in a subconscious kind of way was an attempt to downplay records where 2Pac rapped about "REAL" incidents that happened in his life IE: "just a few records", as if his tracks were just a "few" scraps of irrelevance.
Although he kept it admirable, he would find somewhere to fit in a sly dig. Biggie rapping about "opposition getting fucked four times", "trying to play guerilla, but not being a killer (whereas he was)" and about being the "real don" etc etc. flaunting and bragging in a way that was pretty disgusting and cowardly considering they didn't really say anything when the man was alive - Check the interview when Both Biggie and Puffy sitting like little boys who had just been told off.
You must have been young. When 'Pac died, I was 16, you can do the math to find out I'm pretty old. Anyways, when it was all going down, the only diss song we heard from 'Pac was Hit 'Em Up and then 'Pac did do 2 of Amerikaz Most Wanted video as a diss. But with actual music, 'Pac was really just doing what other artist did. Dr. Dre had a few disses to Eazy E on the Chronic, Wu Tang was doing some disses to Biggie on the side, Westside Connection was dissing a whole coast, DJ Quik and MC Eiht were attacking each other on every album. Hit 'Em Up was just the loudest diss in a whole bunch of noise. To me, it didn't come off as 2Pac attacking someone defenseless, because at the time disses were being thrown everywhere and people were waiting on Biggie's response, not to mention many thought Who Shot Ya' was the diss. So at the time, it didn't come off as one man attacking defenseless people, though that's how Biggie and Puffy tried to sell it after 'Pac died.
As for the Lakewood Mall incident. Either people were lying or gang members have very selective memory on they remember. I can believe both are the case, so we will never know what really happened. Though being from California, I heard about the Lakewood Mall fight after 'Pac died as one of the reasons he died. All kinds of rumors flew around, mainly dealing with getting killed by Crips. Of course many rumors back then had to be taken with a grain of salt, the other rumor that flew around very quickly on March 10, 1997 was that Biggie was killed by Crips as well for not paying for protection. Of course now most investigation points to Suge Knight and his Blood connections. So all those rumors are hard to digest. So well I use to not even question the Lakewood Mall fight, I have no problem believing it didn't happen and people lied about it, or that it did happen and a bunch of gang members who where there now have no memory of it.
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snoop dissed biggie. was on the keep it real track? fat,wack one dead eye.
pac was still in jail when the dpg trailer got shot up aswel wasnt he?
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Quik talks about Lakewood chain snatchin in that interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg-YTXQtKgw
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i have talked to almost 50 people involved and no one even remembers this happening. There is NO proof of any lakewood mall incident. zip, ziltch,none.
Many people accept any story they see on tv without bothering to verify any of it. If they did, they would be much more keen to how often stories are indeed fabricated.
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Quik talks about Lakewood chain snatchin in that interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wg-YTXQtKgw
Well, I guess we know dude got his chain took. No verified story behind it, but he did get his chain took.
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snoop dissed biggie. was on the keep it real track? fat,wack one dead eye.
pac was still in jail when the dpg trailer got shot up aswel wasnt he?
yes
the song from the wide awake snoop lost sessions shit....keep it real dogg. great solo.
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'Pac in the booth maybe sending idle threats, but those threats were backed by Suge, and Sugar Bear was known to make shit hit the fan.
suge was supposed to ride when puffy's boy killed jake in atlanta.
I always thought it was funny how Suge is known to be a big USC football supporter, then Puff's son goes to UCLA. Not saying it's connected, but it was just ironic.
Its Snoop who's the USC supporter, not Suge. Suge went to UNLV. Snoop's son might go to UCLA also.
I know Suge went to UNLV, but he is a strong USC supporter. There are pics of him at the sidelines of their games (but mostly from the 2000s), and it's no surprise since SC isn't that far from Compton and is pretty successful at recruiting the local talent. I remember hearing about Suge bringing Crooked I and Eastwood to USC to rap onstage at some little event or rally, and Suge also being there and shouting out SC on the mic, saying something about them "representing [his] colors" (with the cardinal color being pretty close to burgundy), more or less.
Snoop used to be a USC supporter, but that was when Pete Carroll was their coach (and doing big things with them). He's been representing UCLA ever since Jim Mora got hired and turned their football program around.
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2pac shot two cops. that alone make him more realet & gangsta than any other rapper that ever came in the game. 2pac was real. yall haters coul try to deny it but facts is facts. puffy & biggie was bitchies. puffy didn't put out no hit. puffy scary ass wouldn't wear no death row chain in no video. Orlando was from south side Compton crip & they are worst enemies with suge hood. thats why they snatched the chain. everybody in LA that's gang affiliated know the real deal behind death row & orlando.stop tryna give puffy & bad boy credit that they didn't earn
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Orlando was from south side Compton crip & they are worst enemies with suge hood. thats why they snatched the chain.
That's something that a lot of people forget. People act like Puff putting money on the chains made everyone in LA want to snatch a Death Row chain. Assuming that the bounty was real, all it did was give people an extra incentive to go at people who they already had beef with. It's not like Puff got some goons-for-hire to pull off a special job just for him. It was just hitting two birds with one stone for South Side.
Side note -- it's just funny how so many of those Compton sets that used to be aligned are going at each other these days, from Mob Piru crossing out Lueders and Cedar Block in their tags to Santana Blocc crossing out Side Side in their tags.
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2pac shot two cops.
What that event actually was, was the first attempt on 2Pac's life. All the media stories you hear about it are false. There are still to this day, FBI files restricted to that event
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2pac shot two cops. that alone make him more realet & gangsta than any other rapper that ever came in the game. 2pac was real. yall haters coul try to deny it but facts is facts. puffy & biggie was bitchies. puffy didn't put out no hit. puffy scary ass wouldn't wear no death row chain in no video. Orlando was from south side Compton crip & they are worst enemies with suge hood. thats why they snatched the chain. everybody in LA that's gang affiliated know the real deal behind death row & orlando.stop tryna give puffy & bad boy credit that they didn't earn
Even though i know you're trolling, or at least pray to God you do, the crazy part is that it's actually alot of kids & people out there that think like this & live there life like this trying to be 2pac, who WASNT a thug, drug dealer or hard & get mopped plenty of times. But it's all about image & perception, i've noticed that. After 2pac died he became something completely different than what he was alive. Funny.
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2pac shot two cops. that alone make him more realet & gangsta than any other rapper that ever came in the game. 2pac was real. yall haters coul try to deny it but facts is facts. puffy & biggie was bitchies. puffy didn't put out no hit. puffy scary ass wouldn't wear no death row chain in no video. Orlando was from south side Compton crip & they are worst enemies with suge hood. thats why they snatched the chain. everybody in LA that's gang affiliated know the real deal behind death row & orlando.stop tryna give puffy & bad boy credit that they didn't earn
Even though i know you're trolling, or at least pray to God you do, the crazy part is that it's actually alot of kids & people out there that think like this & live there life like this trying to be 2pac, who WASNT a thug, drug dealer or hard & get mopped plenty of times. But it's all about image & perception, i've noticed that. After 2pac died he became something completely different than what he was alive. Funny.
The media was just as much to blame as 2Pac. The media made more of that image for him, and 2Pac played off of it. He wasn't a drug dealer, or some gangster, he had at the root of him 'an agenda' with social and political motives. I believe giving him the top spot was in a way giving him enough rope to hang himself with. He didn't shoot 2 off duty cops, he fought for his life against 2 off-duty cops who were hired to assassinate him. If I come across the FBI files on that, I'll post them up. A lot of files surrounding that incident are still restricted and marked as confidential and top secret. The ones that are accessible reveal that the FBI were constantly monitoring this man on a daily basis. Phone calls he made, places he went, items he bought, who he hung around with. Being followed all of the time from the moment he left jail, which when you realise, just why on earth no one was caught for his murder when the FBI were constantly on his tail, you begin to unravel the mystery
It has been deemed in the interest of national security not to release these files so one can only imagine why.
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Suge Knight-Good job Poochie lmfao