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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Darkwing Duck (The Reincarnation) on May 17, 2012, 12:51:02 PM
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no, on the contrary...
but excluding the views of quite a few posters (myself included) here. a lot of music and deeper hip hop heads i've spoken to know whats up too.
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Nah. He's one of the greatest ever. I do mean that
However DJ Quik's biggest flaw is that he - like every creative individual likes to experiment at times through out their career and he tries to progress both musically, and as a person... We see evidence of this both good and bad throughout his catalog and that's the problem!!!!
We end up getting these half-assed experiment tracks on official releases, and it gives us a tainted outlook on him at times, but does that mean he's fallen off? No, because he still drops heat, and can still provide that vintage sound on que if and when required, and that is something most veterans can never do, no matter how hard they try
The industry dictates what he puts out, and that's why his latest albums tend to have a mixture of sounds rather than sounding the same (IE: Rhythm-alism) he needs to provide an album of diverse sound as a resume to show the industry and artists alike his array of sound to keep work coming in, and money coming in at a questionable economic downturn for the music industry
To appease the fans, I still think he should put out a lost tapes from an era we all loved as younger fans of the golden age
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I've never liked him as a rapper, his production is always on point though.
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in the 90's and early 2000's he was underrated imo. right now at this very second...he's overrated.
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DJ Quik made some dope/classic stuff. but its crazy to me, taht some people actually hail him as this ultimate defintion of music-arrangement and production,, or some insane shit liek that. i just had to make this thread
he is overrated
Battlecat ----> DJ Quik
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Battlecat ----> DJ Quik
LOL
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Battlecat is underrated, but I think a large part of that is down to the fact that most view him as a sole WestCoast only producer, but people forget he's worked with the likes of Deborah Cox, Talib Kweli, Faith Evans etc.
Still rate Quik over Battlecat for providing a large vintage sound for the West
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Overated? Gtfoh
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nah,
Battleact makes better beats than Quik,, always did. Hence, why he gets more work than a guy like Quik.
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Hence, why he gets more work than a guy like Quik.
Really? What has Battlecat done that has gotten mainstream exposure in the past 5-6 years? Not even joking, the last time I've heard a song he's produced on the radio or on tv was "Cali iz Active".
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Battleact gets more work than Quik in the industry.
peopel on teh west dont even call on Quik
i think Snoop has done liek 10 songs wit Quik in his whole career,
while BC has like 80 songs wit him
and Quik hasnt worked wit a mainstrea-artist since Jay-Z or Ludacris, liek 10 years ago.
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Only by hardcore 90s west coast rap fans. He's always been overlooked as a hip hop producer. His biggest problem is he wastes his best production on himself. He's not Kanye, he doesn't have the charisma on the mic to carry an album to greatness.
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i think Snoop has done liek 10 songs wit Quik in his whole career,
while BC has like 80 songs wit him
Comparison is a nonsense - Battlecat is one of Snoops 'in house' dudes....he probably sleeps on Snoops couch most of the time.
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Battleact gets more work than Quik in the industry.
peopel on teh west dont even call on Quik
i think Snoop has done liek 10 songs wit Quik in his whole career,
while BC has like 80 songs wit him
and Quik hasnt worked wit a mainstrea-artist since Jay-Z or Ludacris, liek 10 years ago.
Trolling out of control today. Have a good one.
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battlecat? really? i'll bite for a minute...
dude is great for what he's done but i wouldn't even bother comparing his work/sound to quik's. you've seen that recent video with Quik and BC in the studio together with a whole load of other folks. quik is on the MPC and clearly the glue to the whole thing, giving structure and direction to what's otherwise a jam session.
quik and dre is a better one and good arguments could be made either way...but quik doesn't appreciate that and says on BOD he'll shoot you for doing so :laugh:
i'd agree his vocals are part of the reason he never appealed to a broader audience so much. and a lot of bad business decisions and being around the wrong people. i don't see why quik's best years could still be ahead of him if he's inclined to keep producing. just needs to find the right direction and energy to bang out classics...the same reason why dre's struggling to do anything decent.
if you listen to some of those recent and lengthy quik interviews you get a ton of deep insight into his career and productions. you gotta respect dude for always trying to be an artist.
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yea man,
he was never a go-to-go guy in teh indsutry. not even on the west.
his beats ahve never been hot or interestin like that,
during his era (teh gangstarap-era), he was standin in teh shadows of other go-to-west-producers like QDIII, Pooh, Dre, and Battlecat
rememebr his last shot at the MTV-audience? teh song he did for Jay-Z.. taht was probly his last chance, n he failed bigtime. nonoe fucked wit hm since tehn (except the usual suspects like 2nd II None and El DeBarge)
hes respectable in his field as an arranger, producer, yea sure - but he doesnt have any classic hiphop-songs on his repertoïre, like say - the Dilla's, Primo's, Dre's, Neptunes' or Rock's. and he hasnt changed teh game. he is overrated indeed
so he doesnt deserve the praise he gets imo. hes just a nerdy RogerTrotuman fan who had a hit in like 91 ("Tonite"), and were lucky enuff to work on some songs wit Eazy, Pac, Rakim and Jigga in his career
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i think Snoop has done liek 10 songs wit Quik in his whole career,
while BC has like 80 songs wit him
Comparison is a nonsense - Battlecat is one of Snoops 'in house' dudes....he probably sleeps on Snoops couch most of the time.
Battlecat ahs never been an inhouse producer for Snoop
just a produer that he fucked wit (liek most of the artists on the West did), unliek guys liek Quik
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yea man,
he was never a go-to-go guy in teh indsutry. not even on the west.
his beats ahve never been hot or interestin like that,
during his era (teh gangstarap-era), he was standin in teh shadows of other go-to-west-producers like QDIII, Pooh, Dre, and Battlecat
rememebr his last shot at the MTV-audience? teh song he did for Jay-Z.. taht was probly his last chance, n he failed bigtime. nonoe fucked wit hm since tehn (except the usual suspects like 2nd II None and El DeBarge)
hes respectable in his field as an arranger, producer, yea sure - but he doesnt have any classic hiphop-songs on his repertoïre, like say - the Dilla's, Primo's, Dre's, Neptunes' or Rock's. and he hasnt changed teh game. he is overrated indeed
so he doesnt deserve the praise he gets imo. hes just a nerdy RogerTrotuman fan who had a hit in like 91 ("Tonite"), and were lucky enuff to work on some songs wit Eazy, Pac, Rakim and Jigga in his career
lol, there's too much to even begin addressing in this post. of course its totally subjective, but i'd say his sound is more transcendent of what's normally considered to be hip hop than most those other cats. classic records? 'let's get down' is one of the best crossover records ever. easily better than anything battlecat has ever done (sorry battlecat). not that's his only classic record, but it's well recognised and with a known act. but that shouldn't matter when evaluating the merits of music - sales and affiliations...
quik's strength is definitely in MUSIC production though. i'd say he hasn't had a chance to work with some of the better vocalists out there. i'd concede his ear for upcoming rappers seems to be a lil dubious at times tho. but the small amount of stuff he did with nate dogg is superb, 2pac he engineered/mixed/co-produced at least half of AEOM. i'd list almost all of his production discography as musically classic and a decent amount as classic tracks in their own way, mainstream success or not.
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A lot of people say that Jay Z was DJ Quiks big or last chance, but I think people are forgetting about Ludacris, Game, Snoop - All these house hold names that are big commercially, as well as people who had a brief run like Chingy, and Chamillionaire, even Nick Cannon recently lol.
The thing about Quik is, that he does a lot of "paid" work uncredited. An example is the work he done on 2Pac tracks, and 50 cent tracks. 2 of their biggest albums had a lot of Quik work, and even recently Mann with his album. He does a lot that isn't credited, and that's the difference. Searchable credits online aren't even giving people the full picture to Quiks level and range of work and influence in the industry
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Only by hardcore 90s west coast rap fans. He's always been overlooked as a hip hop producer. His biggest problem is he wastes his best production on himself. He's not Kanye, he doesn't have the charisma on the mic to carry an album to greatness.
exactly, i mean he does have some charisma, but not on some super rap star level. i think westcoast fans overrate him but just a bit, and rap fans in general criminally sleep on him. i remember talking to a friend a long time ago, a beatmaker, very much into 90's eastcoast hip hop, and i was praising Quik and he was like "yeah quik's alrite but it's not like his shit is very elaborate", lol i didn't have the courage to break it down for him.
Quik is highly respected in the industry, and has more clout than Battlecat, that's for sure. He's like the E-40 of production, ignored by most fans, respected by the legends. Dre, 2pac, B.I.G., Pete Rock, Erick Sermon, Jay-Z, Talib Kweli, Mariah Carey, Roger Troutman, Debarge have all either collab'd or praised Quik's skills. Legends like Erick Sermon have expressed the desire to do collabo albums with Quik. Now Battlecat has had his fair share of success, and I like him a lot but he's mostly known for being a niche producer, with those gangsta claps that he did for Snoop, E-40 & Dub-C in the late 90's, mid 00's, nothing else really. Quik's legacy is much bigger.
About him failing big time with his Jay-Z beat, i don't think so, i think it worked out well and this song has been well received. just getting that kind of placement is a form of recognition. You'll never hear BC Powda on a Jay-Z album, that's for sure.
I do believe Quik should have branched out after Rhythm-al-ism like Stan Sheppard wanted him to do. This dude is way bigger than rap, he could have brought his touch to r'n'b and other genres.
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u guys r readin into it.
im not really focusin on his musicality.
im focusin on his name in teh indsutry,, why does he deserve to be hailed as this perfect/ultimate/legendary
hiphop-producer?
what does his C.V. look like? classic song-productions for other artists? does he have that?
did he change the lane of the game like the Primo's, Nepteuns, Dre's and Dillas did?
no, not by faaaar
dude and his "beats" have never been hot or interestin like that.
he never even had love on the west, like Battelcat. everybody fucked wit BC. everyone
Quik - had his own familytree. 2nd II None, Mausberg, Hi-C, El DeBArge.. and tahts basicaly it
how come Snoop never co-signed him?
u can count all these classic West Coast-songs BC have done for all the acts on the west (u can't do that wit Quik)
not to say taht BC is better than Quik (cuz tahts subjective, i personly prefer BC-beats over Quik-beats myself),
but he always had more work than him
Quiks last chance was Jay-Z and Ludacris,, and that was like 10 years ago. and if he cant even get any work on the west, hes nothin. smh, Bun B charged him like 100000$ for a verse, and Quik coughed it up. does a "legend" do that?
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u guys r readin into it.
im not really focusin on his musicality.
im focusin on his name in teh indsutry,, why does he deserve to be hailed as this perfect/ultimate/legendary
hiphop-producer?
what does his C.V. look like? classic song-productions for other artists? does he have that?
did he change the lane of the game like the Primo's, Nepteuns, Dre's and Dillas did?
no, not by faaaar
dude and his "beats" have never been hot or interestin like that.
he never even had love on the west, like Battelcat. everybody fucked wit BC. everyone
Quik - had his own familytree. 2nd II None, Mausberg, Hi-C, El DeBArge.. and tahts basicaly it
how come Snoop never co-signed him?
u can count all these classic West Coast-songs BC have done for all the acts on the west (u can't do that wit Quik)
not to say taht BC is better than Quik (cuz tahts subjective, i personly prefer BC-beats over Quik-beats myself),
but he always had more work than him
Quiks last chance was Jay-Z and Ludacris,, and that was like 10 years ago. and if he cant even get any work on the west, hes nothin. smh, Bun B charged him like 100000$ for a verse, and Quik coughed it up. does a "legend" do that?
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Only by hardcore 90s west coast rap fans. He's always been overlooked as a hip hop producer. His biggest problem is he wastes his best production on himself. He's not Kanye, he doesn't have the charisma on the mic to carry an album to greatness.
exactly, i mean he does have some charisma, but not on some super rap star level. i think westcoast fans overrate him but just a bit, and rap fans in general criminally sleep on him. i remember talking to a friend a long time ago, a beatmaker, very much into 90's eastcoast hip hop, and i was praising Quik and he was like "yeah quik's alrite but it's not like his shit is very elaborate", lol i didn't have the courage to break it down for him.
Quik is highly respected in the industry, and has more clout than Battlecat, that's for sure. He's like the E-40 of production, ignored by most fans, respected by the legends. Dre, 2pac, B.I.G., Pete Rock, Erick Sermon, Jay-Z, Talib Kweli, Mariah Carey, Roger Troutman, Debarge have all either collab'd or praised Quik's skills. Legends like Erick Sermon have expressed the desire to do collabo albums with Quik. Now Battlecat has had his fair share of success, and I like him a lot but he's mostly known for being a niche producer, with those gangsta claps that he did for Snoop, E-40 & Dub-C in the late 90's, mid 00's, nothing else really. Quik's legacy is much bigger.
About him failing big time with his Jay-Z beat, i don't think so, i think it worked out well and this song has been well received. just getting that kind of placement is a form of recognition. You'll never hear BC Powda on a Jay-Z album, that's for sure.
I do believe Quik should have branched out after Rhythm-al-ism like Stan Sheppard wanted him to do. This dude is way bigger than rap, he could have brought his touch to r'n'b and other genres.
lol @ "clout"
Battlecat has worked wit Dr Dre, Eminem, Talib Kweli, Lil' Kim, Rapahel Saadiq, probably 100 songs for Snoop etc etc
theres no bigger difference between BC and Quiks production-c.v.
compare their discog-catalogues
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Only by hardcore 90s west coast rap fans. He's always been overlooked as a hip hop producer. His biggest problem is he wastes his best production on himself. He's not Kanye, he doesn't have the charisma on the mic to carry an album to greatness.
exactly, i mean he does have some charisma, but not on some super rap star level. i think westcoast fans overrate him but just a bit, and rap fans in general criminally sleep on him. i remember talking to a friend a long time ago, a beatmaker, very much into 90's eastcoast hip hop, and i was praising Quik and he was like "yeah quik's alrite but it's not like his shit is very elaborate", lol i didn't have the courage to break it down for him.
Quik is highly respected in the industry, and has more clout than Battlecat, that's for sure. He's like the E-40 of production, ignored by most fans, respected by the legends. Dre, 2pac, B.I.G., Pete Rock, Erick Sermon, Jay-Z, Talib Kweli, Mariah Carey, Roger Troutman, Debarge have all either collab'd or praised Quik's skills. Legends like Erick Sermon have expressed the desire to do collabo albums with Quik. Now Battlecat has had his fair share of success, and I like him a lot but he's mostly known for being a niche producer, with those gangsta claps that he did for Snoop, E-40 & Dub-C in the late 90's, mid 00's, nothing else really. Quik's legacy is much bigger.
About him failing big time with his Jay-Z beat, i don't think so, i think it worked out well and this song has been well received. just getting that kind of placement is a form of recognition. You'll never hear BC Powda on a Jay-Z album, that's for sure.
I do believe Quik should have branched out after Rhythm-al-ism like Stan Sheppard wanted him to do. This dude is way bigger than rap, he could have brought his touch to r'n'b and other genres.
lol @ "clout"
Battlecat has worked wit Dr Dre, Eminem, Talib Kweli, Lil' Kim, Rapahel Saadiq, probably 100 songs for Snoop etc etc
theres no bigger difference between BC and Quiks production-c.v.
compare their discog-catalogues
Quik has worked with 2pac, Snoop, Eazy-E, Jay-Z, Rakim, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, Maroon 5
You're doing a great job of trolling.
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^why are au goin back and forth wit me like u feel insulted or some shit, kid?
like i said, BC's and Quiks catalgoe are not taht much different.
BC wasnt even active like that when Pac died and Eazy died.
BC would surely have produced for thsoe acts as well, if he was around their camps back then
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Maroon 5 are pop, and they reached out to him, and the lead singer had one of the biggest hits last year. I'd say that was pretty impressive
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^why are au goin back and forth wit me like u feel insulted or some shit, kid?
like i said, BC's and Quiks catalgoe are not taht much different.
BC wasnt even active like that when Pac died and Eazy died.
BC would surely have produced for thsoe acts as well, if he was around their camps back then
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^why are au goin back and forth wit me like u feel insulted or some shit, kid?
like i said, BC's and Quiks catalgoe are not taht much different.
BC wasnt even active like that when Pac died and Eazy died.
BC would surely have produced for thsoe acts as well, if he was around their camps back then
Battlecat produced a remix of Temptations in 1995, it was a b-side on singles
wonder why he never did anything else for Pac though
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^why are au goin back and forth wit me like u feel insulted or some shit, kid?
like i said, BC's and Quiks catalgoe are not taht much different.
BC wasnt even active like that when Pac died and Eazy died.
BC would surely have produced for thsoe acts as well, if he was around back then
he was active by then, he produced Domino's self titled project, which went gold, he had placements on gold-selling albums (AmeriKKKa's Nightmare), he was producing the Bangin On Wax albums, he was producing for Michael Jackson's protégés (Quo), he also was doing remixes left and right, even producing for Tom Jones & Dana Dane lmao, he just didn't have the same status as DJ Quik who was a frontman, with a sizable contract on Profile Records and who was estabished nationwide.
but the argument you're making isn't clear, what are you trying to say ? that he's not a game changing producer ? well he's not in the same league as Dre, Pete Rock & Primo and Large Professor, but he's kinda underrated, as he did a lot of uncredited work (or semi credited) on some of the biggest records (AEOM and a lot of Aftermath related stuff). i'm not sayin he's the goat or anything, you ask if he's underrated, i say in general yes
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^why are au goin back and forth wit me like u feel insulted or some shit, kid?
like i said, BC's and Quiks catalgoe are not taht much different.
BC wasnt even active like that when Pac died and Eazy died.
BC would surely have produced for thsoe acts as well, if he was around back then
he wa active by then, he produced Domino's self titled project, which went gold, he had placements on gold-selling albums (AmeriKKKa's Nightmare), he was producing the Bangin On Wax albums, he was producing for Michael Jackson's protégés (Quo), he also was doing remixes left and right, even producing for Tom Jones & Dana Dane lmao, he just didn't have the same status as DJ Quik who was a frontman, with a sizable contract on Profile Records and who was estabished nationwide.
but the argument you're making isn't clear, what are you trying to say ? that he's not a game changing producer ? well he's not in the same league as Dre, Pete Rock & Primo and Large Professor, but he's kinda underrated, as he did a lot of uncredited work (or semi credited) on some of the biggest records (AEOM and a lot of Aftermath related stuff). i'm not sayin he's the goat or anything, you ask if he's underrated, i say in general yes
BC wasnt really active in the indsutry in the early 90's. he was known as DJ Battleact.
he got his break wit "We can Freak it" for Kurupt.
and Snoop solidified him as a "go-to-guy-producer" when he called on him for the Eastsidaz-projects. he was just a guy who had some -b-side remixes on 12inches before that, save one or 2 songs on OST's and projects every now n then.
and during the short time BC have had, he produced for Eminem, Dre, Talib Kweli, Lil Kim, Raphael Saadiq, Tyrese, Xzibit, Brain McKnight, Faith Evans plus every westcoast-artist in history (he has a vast production-repertoïre wit classics for everybody and their mama on the west)
i dont really c a big difference between his so-called "clout" and Mr Quik.
the point wasnt even to compare the 2 guys wit each other to begin with,
i was focusin on Quik, and the way people tend to hail him as this "industry-legend".. which is weird, when he can't even get work on his own coast, or get co-signed by Snoop.
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BC wasnt really active in the indsutry in the early 90's. he was known as DJ Battleact.
he got his break wit "We can Freak it" for Kurupt.
and Snoop solidified him as a "go-to-guy-producer" when he called on him for the Eastsidaz-projects. he was just a guy who had some -b-side remixes on 12inches before that, save one or 2 songs on OST's and projects every now n then.
and during the short time BC have had, he produced for Eminem, Dre, Talib Kweli, Lil Kim, Raphael Saadiq, Tyrese, Xzibit, Brain McKnight, Faith Evans plus every westcoast-artist in history (he has a vast production-repertoïre wit classics for everybody and their mama on the west)
i dont really c a big difference between his so-called "clout" and Mr Quik.
the point wasnt even to compare the 2 guys wit each other to begin with,
i was focusin on Quik, and the way people tend to hail him as this "industry-legend".. which is weird, when he can't even get work on his own coast, or get co-signed by Snoop.
he produced Domino's self titled album in 1993 which went gold, with the lead single Getto Jam also going gold, a feat that neither Kurupt nor We Can Freak It achieved. he produced a song on AmeriKKKa's Nightmare in 1994, which went also gold. And he produced for big names like WC & the Maad Circle and Kam (DJ Quik also produced on that album, by the way), talk about not being active. he wasn't visible like Quik, but he was active.
Quik was co-signed by Snoop, in 98 when he appeared on Rhythm-al-ism, and on No Limit Top Dogg the following year, not to mention the producer team that Snoop put together consisting of Quik & Teddy Riley in 08. that didn't last but that's co-sign to me. the thing is Quik is an egotist, and he has his own brand and his own clique.
People tend him to hail him as an industry legend because he does so himself, and because the amount of classic material he seems to be responsible for during a legendary period of time. Battlecat wasn't visible during the "true school era" as some people call it, when Quik was coming up strong and making a name for himself, associating himself with the likes of Eazy E, 2pac, even R. Kelly & Erick Sermon and Death Row Records.
I agree with you, there's not much of a difference between BC & Quik production wise, they both legends. but the fact that he is a frontman with a host of albums to his name that kicked it with all the legends (i guess if you go to Shaq, Raphael Saadiq or Dr Dre they would be more prone to tell you an anecdote about them & Quik than about them and BC, assuming they have one), an egotist that loves to boast (as opposed to Battlecat who's reserved), a rapper that's also a multi-instrumentalist gives a greater aura to Quik than to Battlecat.
as Dom Kennedy puts it, "it's me, Quik, Cube & Snoop, it's not a floop"
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yea man,
he was never a go-to-go guy in teh indsutry. not even on the west.
his beats ahve never been hot or interestin like that,
during his era (teh gangstarap-era), he was standin in teh shadows of other go-to-west-producers like QDIII, Pooh, Dre, and Battlecat
rememebr his last shot at the MTV-audience? teh song he did for Jay-Z.. taht was probly his last chance, n he failed bigtime. nonoe fucked wit hm since tehn (except the usual suspects like 2nd II None and El DeBarge)
hes respectable in his field as an arranger, producer, yea sure - but he doesnt have any classic hiphop-songs on his repertoïre, like say - the Dilla's, Primo's, Dre's, Neptunes' or Rock's. and he hasnt changed teh game. he is overrated indeed
so he doesnt deserve the praise he gets imo. hes just a nerdy RogerTrotuman fan who had a hit in like 91 ("Tonite"), and were lucky enuff to work on some songs wit Eazy, Pac, Rakim and Jigga in his career
lol, there's too much to even begin addressing in this post. of course its totally subjective, but i'd say his sound is more transcendent of what's normally considered to be hip hop than most those other cats. classic records? 'let's get down' is one of the best crossover records ever. easily better than anything battlecat has ever done (sorry battlecat). not that's his only classic record, but it's well recognised and with a known act. but that shouldn't matter when evaluating the merits of music - sales and affiliations...
quik's strength is definitely in MUSIC production though. i'd say he hasn't had a chance to work with some of the better vocalists out there. i'd concede his ear for upcoming rappers seems to be a lil dubious at times tho. but the small amount of stuff he did with nate dogg is superb, 2pac he engineered/mixed/co-produced at least half of AEOM. i'd list almost all of his production discography as musically classic and a decent amount as classic tracks in their own way, mainstream success or not.
OG Matty
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everythin is subjective, specially when it comes to music.
i wasnt interested in delving into Quik musicaly. i wanted to focus on his "clout" in this thread,
and see if his so-called "legend/GOAT-status" in teh game is called for.
does he have a C.V.-repertoire of hits
and known songs in his backpack/did he leave a mark in the indsutry? did he change the epitome of hiphop in any type of way?
or does he have a big following, multiplatinum albums?
classic albums? no (not even "rhythm-al-ism" has ever been hailed as a top-50 bonafied hiphop-classic production-wise, in the media)
so how can anyone rate him as the "goat"? he doesnt deserve to be put in the same list as the likes
of the Primo's, Rock's, Dr Dre's, Neptunes and Dilla's..
and the only work Quik gets today, is if he mixes an album. like he mixed the Snoop and Murs' albums, thats what
hes good for.
why is it so hard for Quik to get beats sold on his own coast?
Snoop have done like 10 songs wit him at teh most, he was never co-signed by the king of california
but if u want to talk about his music.. i'll try
i dont care how much of an arranger or musician Quik is. or how schooled he is on music.
his beats have never been magnificent or interestin like that.
hes a nerdy engineer who likes to fuck around in the studio wit equipment
hes an expert when it comes to the sonic aspects of music-production,
but I would never ever evaluate hiphop-producer "greatness" like that.
either u make dope shit or not.
not to say that he can't make dope beats, but hes not an expert in that territory,, hence -why
he has never been a popular "go-to-guy" in the industry (not even on his own darn coast).
im a huge fan of Quik myself, i loved "book of david" - but overall, westcoast-producer Battlecat (as an example)
is superior on his MPC's and
drummachines, he understands the basics of "hit and miss"/"Dope shit", he doesnt get carried away like Mr Quik and his
"music professor"-foolishness.
so trutfully - wether Quik were a orchestrator or not in some jam-sessions, is not relevant at all to me
my 2 cents
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Yeah mike definitely did a shitty job of trolling (this should be renamed to DJ Quik vs Battlecat).
Quik is by far superior to Battlecat in everyway (and obviously I fuck with both). Nobody really knows who Battlecat is, verses Quik where even 5 years olds have even heard of him. U ask a little kid or even maybe someone my age who Battlecat is and they'll probably give u a blank stare. And Quik's track record is longer than Cats, how is that even in question?
And tbh as much as I respect Quik and really need him to stay around he is a little overrated, just like Warren G ("Leave You Alone" is bangin and killin em on the radio tho lol). Quik is an original and I love his originality and I can also relate to his music. But Common and Barbra Streisand (milf) are overrated so it's to be expected sometimes when the greats and legends are being discussed... Quik's albums usually have more quantity than quality IMO, there's only so much that sticks with you.
He's in Jeezy's new video (produced by MikeWill) so he's still out there. U still can't really mention Westcoast Hip Hop or classic Hip Hop without mentioning DJ Quik. He still has that going for him. Compton is the California home of Icons, then Oakland and Long Beach. I fuck with Battlecat (Stoners Anthem still gets play and I'm talkin about the newer version which I like more even tho that 1 guitar melody is pretty gay but he's not really touchin Quik regardless of his accomplishments. And technically Dr. Dre doesn't even make beats, he conducts it [atleast that's what they say]
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^why are au goin back and forth wit me like u feel insulted or some shit, kid?
like i said, BC's and Quiks catalgoe are not taht much different.
BC wasnt even active like that when Pac died and Eazy died.
BC would surely have produced for thsoe acts as well, if he was around back then
he was producing the Bangin On Wax albums
He only produced the tittle track.
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Underrated.
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^why are au goin back and forth wit me like u feel insulted or some shit, kid?
like i said, BC's and Quiks catalgoe are not taht much different.
BC wasnt even active like that when Pac died and Eazy died.
BC would surely have produced for thsoe acts as well, if he was around their camps back then
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lol,
do u always spill coffe on ur computer keyboard when u stumble upon people on teh net who doent agree wit you?
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^why are au goin back and forth wit me like u feel insulted or some shit, kid?
like i said, BC's and Quiks catalgoe are not taht much different.
BC wasnt even active like that when Pac died and Eazy died.
BC would surely have produced for thsoe acts as well, if he was around their camps back then
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lol,
do u always spill coffe on ur computer keyboard when u stumble upon people on teh net who doent agree wit you?
Just encouraging you buddy. Doing a good job with this ridiculous thread
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on dubcc yes, real life no. id say he gets his credit but how many dope beats has he fucked up with his bullshit raps?
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I like some of Quiks music , but not all of it . On this forum he is overrated , but in the music industry hes not
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yea man,
he was never a go-to-go guy in teh indsutry. not even on the west.
his beats ahve never been hot or interestin like that,
during his era (teh gangstarap-era), he was standin in teh shadows of other go-to-west-producers like QDIII, Pooh, Dre, and Battlecat
rememebr his last shot at the MTV-audience? teh song he did for Jay-Z.. taht was probly his last chance, n he failed bigtime. nonoe fucked wit hm since tehn (except the usual suspects like 2nd II None and El DeBarge)
hes respectable in his field as an arranger, producer, yea sure - but he doesnt have any classic hiphop-songs on his repertoïre, like say - the Dilla's, Primo's, Dre's, Neptunes' or Rock's. and he hasnt changed teh game. he is overrated indeed
so he doesnt deserve the praise he gets imo. hes just a nerdy RogerTrotuman fan who had a hit in like 91 ("Tonite"), and were lucky enuff to work on some songs wit Eazy, Pac, Rakim and Jigga in his career
Your trippin now , your saying Quik doesnt have any hits ? What about Born and raised in compton , tonight , Hand & hand , You'z a gangsta , Trouble , etc etc not a big Quik fan but he got some cuts
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I ignore his work after Under The Influence. Since I do that, he has an almost flawless catalog.
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^why are au goin back and forth wit me like u feel insulted or some shit, kid?
like i said, BC's and Quiks catalgoe are not taht much different.
BC wasnt even active like that when Pac died and Eazy died.
BC would surely have produced for thsoe acts as well, if he was around back then
he was producing the Bangin On Wax albums
He only produced the tittle track.
steady dippin'?
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Mike, I respect your opinions and respect your enthusiasm for the west coast music. I know you know your shit when it comes to music my dude but your way off when you compare quik with battlecat.
you should compare battlecat with fredwreck since they both have a similar resume. One of your biggest arguments was the fact that snoop has worked more with BC than quik has and thats a weak argument.
Quik has a bigger catalog than BC and quik has more hits commercially and regular album cuts than BC. I love BC sound and his signature sound, he is a dope producer but quik has hits long enough to do a 2 hr concert that people can rock to at a show. BC selection of songs of all the rappers hes worked with is minimum and the avg fan wouldn't know unless your a die hard BC fan ya feel me?
plus quik can also produce R&B songs and you can also hear some jazz influence in his songs as well. Hence range of music and sound. BC has some R&B production but is not really known for his R&B shit but they ain't as big as Quiks R&B Songs.
let me show some of quiks work and try to match BC's work with quik.
Suga Free - Street Gospel. A westcoast Classic entirely produced by Quik and the biggist hits off that was "why u bullshittin" and id rather "give you my bitch" and "stay ready"
2pac - All Eyez On ME is already certified Diamond and Produced "Heartz of men" and "Only God Can Judge Me" so Quik has been on albums that sold millions world wide with production recognition on that album.
Truth Hurts - Addictive #1 single in 2002 for weeks
Dr Dre - put it on me
uncredited production for 50 cent "in da club" (typical Dre move)
Toni Tony Tone' - Let's get down - an instant hit even today when played at clubs and especially at his shows.
Danny Boy - its about time - R&b Album
I'm Not even gonna go into his own albums cuz thats its own segment
and some big names He's work with or produced for is obviously Snoop, Dr Dre, Dogg pound, Xzibit, Whitney Houston, Janet Jackson, Jay-z, Jeezy, Luda, Chingy, TQ, Do Or Die, Busta Rhymes, Eazy-e, Ice Cube, Jermaine Dupri, Shaq, Adina Howard, Deborah Cox, The Game, Jon B Etc.....
Do That with Battlecat, let me help you out
Domino - getto jam
Kurupt - We can Freak It
Eastsidaz - G'd up, I luv It
WC- Hog, just clownin
Xzibit - get your walk on
Tha dogg Pound - cali is active
tash - G'z is G'z
E-40 - nah nah
fill in the rest...........................
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I like some of Quiks music , but not all of it . On this forum he is overrated , but in the music industry hes not
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2pac - All Eyez On ME is already certified Diamond and Produced "Heartz of men" and "Only God Can Judge Me" so Quik has been on albums that sold millions world wide with production recognition on that album.
Quik didn't produce Only God Can Judge Me, Doug Rasheed did.
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I've never liked him as a rapper, his production is always on point though.
This, son needs to stick to producing for others
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u guys are buggin now.
i wasnt even comparin him wit Battlecat and tried to evaluate the statuses of these two.
because, just like DJ Quik ---> Battlecat is not on the same level as the Rock's, Netpunes, Primos and Dr Dre's either.
i just said that BC makes better beats from my subjective
point of view, and unlike Quik he actually gets work on his own coast.
sure, Quik is a multifaceted music-genius and all of that, but that doesnt make his hiphop-beats any better than BC Powda..
and, Battlecat's catalgoue isnt taht much different from Quik, when it comes to industry-"clout" or whatver u wanna call it.
i even learnt now taht he produced some songs for friggin
Tom Jones and early r&B-sensations like Po Broke & Lonely in the early 90's (during the years when he wasnt as active
as he is now).
so Quik isnt any "bigger" than Battlecat to me,,
and he hasnt changed the plethora of westcoast-hiphopmusic any more than Battlecat,, not at all
i think the problem, is that people tend to
focus on typical & classic names like 2pac, EazyE, Jay-Z and Rakim -- "oh, he produced that. and he did that"
Battlecat couldve easily produced for artists like that himself,
if he was around during the right years/instances or camps at the right time.
187_skillz
ur right about that, my man.
if Quik rocked a 2-hour show, he could throw on shit,, just like those pieces u just mentioned,
but its like comparin Pete Rock wit DJ Premier, just cuz Pete Rock raps.
thing is Quik, is a rapper too, and he has a backpack wit some of his own recognizable songs in it.
but when it comes to prouduced material for other artists, BC has a bigger catalogue.
if Battelcat played like a, uhh, let's say ... a DJ-medley of his productions for other artists, i
guarantee people would recognize his work.
Quik has only produced classics for himself and his own camp (Suga free, 2nd II none, El debarge, hi-c etc)
the only known/recognizeable song i can think of (from the last 10 years),, that Quik
produced for another artist (not related to himself or his own camp),
is probably ---> "Addictive" (Truth Hurts). and he also had a rap-verse on the westcoast remix to Chamillionaire's "Rdiin Dirty" a few years ago,, and tahts basicaly it.
and a part from that, the only known tracks, industry-wise, i can think of -- is Pac's "heartz of men" and
"lets get" for toni tony tone.
if anythin, i think BC is underrated, while Quik is overrated
(especially on a sidetaking fanboy-forum like this).
im only being real now, just think about it..
this is a good c.v.-resumé for known songs from different industry-artists, (to me) --->
Domino - getto jam
Kurupt - We can Freak It
Eastsidaz - G'd up, I luv It
WC- Hog, just clownin
Xzibit - get your walk on
Tha dogg Pound - cali is active
tash - G'z is G'z
E-40/Nate Dogg - nah nah
plus,,
Lucy Pearl (Raphael Saadiq, Dawn Robinson) - You
Lil Kim - Do You Wanna Roll
Doggy's Angels - Baby If Your Ready
Raphael Saadiq - Faithful
---> and my personal favorite -- Chico & Coolwadda feat Nate Dogg ("high come down")
probably like 85 songs for Snoop Dogg (Quik has never been popular in Snoops camp)
he was a part of "Tha LAst Meal" and most of Snoops albums
Battlecat's production-C.V. --> Dr Dre, Busta Rhyhmes, Tom Jones, Eminem, The Gap Band, Nate Dogg, Raphael Saadiq, Po' Broke & Lonely,
Brian McKnight, Faith Evans, Talib Kweli, Lil Kim, Ice Cube, Jadakiss, remixes for 2pac, , and the list goes on and on
DJ Quik himself, has rapped on Battlecat-beats.
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Ok we can both agree that they both got a nice catalog of hits and so on.
Back to your topic of discussion though, Quik is not the GOAT of producing and neither is BC.
He is not overrated or underrated , I do think he should get the respect and recognition that he deserves though.
As far as being a legend here on the west coast goes, yes. Him and BC belong there as legendary producers who created their own west coast sound and have hits that we will forever love and pay tribute to. That goes without saying.
Can we end it like this Mike? Can we agree that Quik is a legend for that give the respect as a producer that he deserves?
If not, I still respect you opinion and Quik is not for everyone but he's paid his dues and he deserves his props, that's all I'm saying.
Peace 8)
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yes very much so!
i do like his music but like one of the posters already mentioned. His experimentalism trying to branch out fucking sucks. like seriously! dude has one super GREAT album and still cant be mentioned in the likes of the chronic or doggystyle. once again i like his music but last 10 years have not treated him very well musically.
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Yo Mike, what did Battlecat produce for Eminem and Dre?
I think the main reason he is overrated because there's people who who put him on the same level as Dre. When really it's Dre, Timbaland, Primo, Neptunes, Pete Rock >>>>> Quik. Quik has never changed the game.
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Yo Mike, what did Battlecat produce for Eminem and Dre?
I think the main reason he is overrated because there's people who who put him on the same level as Dre. When really it's Dre, Timbaland, Primo, Neptunes, Pete Rock >>>>> Quik. Quik has never changed the game.
dj premier > anyone
maybe Dilla
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Yo Mike, what did Battlecat produce for Eminem and Dre?
I think the main reason he is overrated because there's people who who put him on the same level as Dre. When really it's Dre, Timbaland, Primo, Neptunes, Pete Rock >>>>> Quik. Quik has never changed the game.
dj premier > anyone
maybe Dilla
Yeah Dillas up there too for sure. Premo got stale to me, his last collection of heaters and innovative sounds was "The Ownerz" to me. "Who Got Gunz" was gully as fuck
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Yo Mike, what did Battlecat produce for Eminem and Dre?
I think the main reason he is overrated because there's people who who put him on the same level as Dre. When really it's Dre, Timbaland, Primo, Neptunes, Pete Rock >>>>> Quik. Quik has never changed the game.
dj premier > anyone
maybe Dilla
Yeah Dillas up there too for sure. Premo got stale to me, his last collection of heaters and innovative sounds was "The Ownerz" to me. "Who Got Gunz" was gully as fuck
word !!!!!!!!! after tha blaq print album i don't know what happened to primo. maybe that shit dude was sayin' in the interview about drug use,etc. was true. dude is kinda sluggish puttin' shit out.
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if i'm not mistaken. during that time he (battlecat) was signed to lydia harris label or management. also had artists ruff dogg(tha lost angelz) who had a song dissin' suge knight in 97. i wonder why he didn't work wit certain artists then like eazy. i think at that time i'd rather heard a eazy and dj quik collabo although a battlecat fan.
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Yo Mike, what did Battlecat produce for Eminem and Dre?
I think the main reason he is overrated because there's people who who put him on the same level as Dre. When really it's Dre, Timbaland, Primo, Neptunes, Pete Rock >>>>> Quik. Quik has never changed the game.
dj premier > anyone
maybe Dilla
Yeah Dillas up there too for sure. Premo got stale to me, his last collection of heaters and innovative sounds was "The Ownerz" to me. "Who Got Gunz" was gully as fuck
did u ever hear Ill Bill's "Society is Brainwashed"? came out maybe 4 years ago i'm guessing?
one of premo's best and darkest beats 8)
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I don't think Quik is overrated, overlooked and slept on yes, but not overrated. I think those that know what he's done for his own music, his camp's music and for other artist know that he's the real deal and not overrated. He definitely has his own style so ofcourse not everyone is going to love his music but that doesn't mean he's overrated.
For example, Wu-Tang and RZA. I respect what the Wu has done and RZA as a producer but I don't personally like Wu-Tang's music, I've just never been into their style of rap/production. But at the same time I can't knock Wu-Tang or RZA because I still recognize the fact that they are dope at what they do but they're just not for me. Just because I'm not feeling them like other heads do doesn't mean I'ma call them overrated, you gotta give credit when credit is due.
Now for Cat vs. Quik. Ofcourse Battlecat is going to have more credits for working with other artists than Quik, that's all Battlecat ever does, he produces for other artists. DJ Quik has had 8 solo albums now and 2 more if you count The Fixxers and Blaqkout, not to mention the work he's done for people in his own crew like 2nd II None, Hi-C, AMG, Suga Free, Mausberg, etc. and his work on the Konnectid Project was tight too. So with all that you can see why he wasn't all over the place producing for other artists. Quik focuses on his music first, his crew second (earlier in his career anyway) and other artist third. Quik has always done his own thing without waiting for others to co-sign him. He did a good amount of work on Death Row projects but he wasn't relying on Death Row to blow him up, he always did his own music with his own squad. And even though Battlecat had some great credits to his name it really wasn't until Snoop started tapping him for beats that he really blew up. But it's been a while now since Snoop (or any westcoast artist for that matter) used that type of production on his albums and because of that Battlecat has been quite for a while; if no one is using that funky neck-snappin, hard hand-clappin type of beats (which is Cat at his best) then he's almost out of work. DJ Quik will alway make his own music even if he's not producing for other artists. So I really don't think it's an even comparison as far as recognition as a producer goes and who's worked with more artists, I mean yeah they are both producers but they are different.
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I don't think Quik is overrated, overlooked and slept on yes, but not overrated. I think those that know what he's done for his own music, his camp's music and for other artist know that he's the real deal and not overrated. He definitely has his own style so ofcourse not everyone is going to love his music but that doesn't mean he's overrated.
For example, Wu-Tang and RZA. I respect what the Wu has done and RZA as a producer but I don't personally like Wu-Tang's music, I've just never been into their style of rap/production. But at the same time I can't knock Wu-Tang or RZA because I still recognize the fact that they are dope at what they do but they're just not for me. Just because I'm not feeling them like other heads do doesn't mean I'ma call them overrated, you gotta give credit when credit is due.
Now for Cat vs. Quik. Ofcourse Battlecat is going to have more credits for working with other artists than Quik, that's all Battlecat ever does, he produces for other artists. DJ Quik has had 8 solo albums now and 2 more if you count The Fixxers and Blaqkout, not to mention the work he's done for people in his own crew like 2nd II None, Hi-C, AMG, Suga Free, Mausberg, etc. and his work on the Konnectid Project was tight too. So with all that you can see why he wasn't all over the place producing for other artists. Quik focuses on his music first, his crew second (earlier in his career anyway) and other artist third. Quik has always done his own thing without waiting for others to co-sign him. He did a good amount of work on Death Row projects but he wasn't relying on Death Row to blow him up, he always did his own music with his own squad. And even though Battlecat had some great credits to his name it really wasn't until Snoop started tapping him for beats that he really blew up. But it's been a while now since Snoop (or any westcoast artist for that matter) used that type of production on his albums and because of that Battlecat has been quite for a while; if no one is using that funky neck-snappin, hard hand-clappin type of beats (which is Cat at his best) then he's almost out of work. DJ Quik will alway make his own music even if he's not producing for other artists. So I really don't think it's an even comparison as far as recognition as a producer goes and who's worked with more artists, I mean yeah they are both producers but they are different.
cat was on snoop's album last year.
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everyone one in this thread even thinking about it, listen to "Well", "Quik's Groove", "Pitch On A Party", "Sweet Black Pussy" "Somethin 4 Tha Mood", "Tonight", Pac's "Heartz Of Men" and "Tha Divorce Song". If you're still even thinking about the question, do the world a favor and drown.
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Yo Mike, what did Battlecat produce for Eminem and Dre?
I think the main reason he is overrated because there's people who who put him on the same level as Dre. When really it's Dre, Timbaland, Primo, Neptunes, Pete Rock >>>>> Quik. Quik has never changed the game.
dj premier > anyone
maybe Dilla
Yeah Dillas up there too for sure. Premo got stale to me, his last collection of heaters and innovative sounds was "The Ownerz" to me. "Who Got Gunz" was gully as fuck
did u ever hear Ill Bill's "Society is Brainwashed"? came out maybe 4 years ago i'm guessing?
one of premo's best and darkest beats 8)
Nah I stopped checking for new non phixion and necro stuff about 6 years back, hook it up though I'm keen to check it out
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Yo Mike, what did Battlecat produce for Eminem and Dre?
I think the main reason he is overrated because there's people who who put him on the same level as Dre. When really it's Dre, Timbaland, Primo, Neptunes, Pete Rock >>>>> Quik. Quik has never changed the game.
dj premier > anyone
maybe Dilla
Yeah Dillas up there too for sure. Premo got stale to me, his last collection of heaters and innovative sounds was "The Ownerz" to me. "Who Got Gunz" was gully as fuck
did u ever hear Ill Bill's "Society is Brainwashed"? came out maybe 4 years ago i'm guessing?
one of premo's best and darkest beats 8)
Nah I stopped checking for new non phixion and necro stuff about 6 years back, hook it up though I'm keen to check it out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjNmGsQ16Vg <--official video
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somethin' 4 tha mood >>
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somethin' 4 tha mood >>
one of the best beats ever 8)
safe and sound is a great summer album
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Yo Mike, what did Battlecat produce for Eminem and Dre?
I think the main reason he is overrated because there's people who who put him on the same level as Dre. When really it's RZA >>>>> Dre, Timbaland, Primo, Neptunes, Pete Rock >>>>> Quik. Quik has never changed the game.
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Yo Mike, what did Battlecat produce for Eminem and Dre?
I think the main reason he is overrated because there's people who who put him on the same level as Dre. When really it's RZA >>>>> Dre, Timbaland, Primo, Neptunes, Pete Rock >>>>> Quik. Quik has never changed the game.
Yeah RZA produced a lot of classics during that 5 year plan. It all comes down to preference with those top tier producers.
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Lol only on this forum does this type of shit happen.
Lets take a guy who is unanomously voted as underrated, skip giving him his proper credit, and skyrocket straight to calling him overrated.
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Voted 'Yes, a bit'. He has definately fallen off with his last few projects..... trouble with Quik is that his sound changes with each album, whereas with Battlecat, he doesn't venture too far out from his signature sound.... tbh, I only kept one song off BOD and nothing from the Blaqkout album.
I'd rate BC on the same level with Quik, production wise.
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Overrated?? You mean underrated right? Dj Quik is what Hip Hop is all about. He can rap, he's a DJ and he's a producer. He can do it all.
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Yo Mike, what did Battlecat produce for Eminem and Dre?
I think the main reason he is overrated because there's people who who put him on the same level as Dre. When really it's RZA >>>>> Dre, Timbaland, Primo, Neptunes, Pete Rock >>>>> Quik. Quik has never changed the game.
Yeah RZA produced a lot of classics during that 5 year plan. It all comes down to preference with those top tier producers.
RZA gets the edge over Dre for me, because he accomplished what Dre did while making his own beats.
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Yo Mike, what did Battlecat produce for Eminem and Dre?
I think the main reason he is overrated because there's people who who put him on the same level as Dre. When really it's Dre, Timbaland, Primo, Neptunes, Pete Rock >>>>> Quik. Quik has never changed the game.
dj premier > anyone
maybe Dilla
Yeah Dillas up there too for sure. Premo got stale to me, his last collection of heaters and innovative sounds was "The Ownerz" to me. "Who Got Gunz" was gully as fuck
did u ever hear Ill Bill's "Society is Brainwashed"? came out maybe 4 years ago i'm guessing?
one of premo's best and darkest beats 8)
Nah I stopped checking for new non phixion and necro stuff about 6 years back, hook it up though I'm keen to check it out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IjNmGsQ16Vg <--official video
Yeah that shit is dope, dark as fuck. I hate those conspiracy theory raps though lol.
He's obviously still got it but it's like he's uninspired. The beat he gave Game sounded like a throwaway that was collecting dust, shit maybe it was, but considering it would have been one of his biggest commercial placements in a long ass time you'd think he'd wanna give him the best he had in the stash
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Quik will forever be a legend as far as production and sound goes.
He just need's to stick with a consistent style and sound, and not
go from making classics to some dumb simple shit to try and appeal to
the younger crowd just to try and get attention.some simple half ass music
music may appeal to some at present time, but will eventually fade off to nothing,
As to doing real music from the heart and soul and putting every ounce of emotion
into it, that's real music that will remain timeless. that's why rhythm-al-ism never ages
was just a real diverse sound fusing all these different types of music together
and pushing em out with real emotion.
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He's overrated on this forum. But underrated everywhere else.
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everyone one in this thread even thinking about it, listen to "Well", "Quik's Groove", "Pitch On A Party", "Sweet Black Pussy" "Somethin 4 Tha Mood", "Tonight", Pac's "Heartz Of Men" and "Tha Divorce Song". If you're still even thinking about the question, do the world a favor and drown.
Add "We Still Party" to the mix too.
I'm a BC fan myself, too. He has a lot of good/great beats. But mind-blowing ones? I'd only put Let's Go Play in that category tbh.
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Yo Mike, what did Battlecat produce for Eminem and Dre?
Dr Dre, Snoop feat. Butch Cassidy "Just Dippin (Remix)"
Slip Capone, Dr. Dre, Knoc Turn Al - "doin the most"
Hittman feat. Eminem "Front Page Stardom" [o.g.]
I think the main reason he is overrated because there's people who who put him on the same level as Dre. When really it's Dre, Timbaland, Primo, Neptunes, Pete Rock >>>>> Quik. Quik has never changed the game.
exactly.
to me, --> Quik is not on the same level as Dr Dre and those guys (as a game-changer or as a "legend").
hence - why its crazy to me that some ppl hail him as the best taht ever did it or some shit. its like hes being treated like Quincy Jones in the hiphop-media or forums these days. lol, hes overrated IMO
i'd say Battelcat has contributed more to westcoast-hiphop than Quik
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Did somebody really try to compare Quik to Dre? He is a great producer and all, but I think that is getting carried away.
Between Quik and Battlecat though, I would definitely have to go with Quik. Both were extremely talented and have great discographies, I just like Quik sound a tad bit better.
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If you ask me, people get confused regarding Quik because of this:
DJ Quik is great at making his type of beats, untouched in hiphop perhaps. But that's basically what he's limited to: He's a master at making smooth, melodious beats but beyond that he's simply decent. For example, his harder beats like, say, 'Fandango' or 'Justify My Thug', usually work (at least for me) but they are not on a different level. What's more, DJ Quik does not make tailormade beats for artists. Instead, the artist has to adjust to the type of beat DJ Quik makes.
With the overall greats, this quality is there. A Dr. Dre can adjust his sound to the artist and make it work even if it is outside of his normal work. Compare Dr. Dre's goofy production for Eminem to the generally weird and ergetic beats he gave Busta Rhymes to the thumping beats he gave Xzibit to the smooth beats he gave Snoop. A truly great producer uses his artist as an instrument and adjusts his other instruments to them. That's not to say Dr. Dre has not done his fair share of throw aways or passed beats along to different artists but...when he puts effort into it, his beats will fit the artist they accompany. The same is true of say, Timbaland or The Neptunes. They don't just deliver musical product, they create YOUR musical product.
DJ Quik on the other hand, makes his beats first and foremost for himself and if other artists want to use them, he'll consider it but they'll have to play between the fences in his musical playfield. He's not going to relocate those fences. I don't think it's a coincedence that, to me at least, Suga Free is DJ Quik's muse: They fit each other's styles perfectly but neither is very versatile, despite Quik's efforts to prove otherwise.
As for Battlecat, I'd say he's more like DJ Quik in this regard: Great at what he does, but limited to a small playfield.
I'd actually rate Fredwreck over both overall.
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Quality post^^
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i don't think it's fair or correct to say Quik doesn't adapt his production in the same way as The Neptunes or Timbaland do. these are producers i put in exactly the same the same bracket as Quik (and there's only a handful). they each have a distinct, highly articulated sound that has a signature quality and feel to it. this is beyond having a unique sound...they more than often bang out classic tracks, true timeless shit. Dre too.
there are plenty of other producers whose sound i love too, but lack the level of sonic mastery. yet amazing engineering/mixing doesn't automatically equate to great music, but if you happen to be strongly influenced by funk and 80s music, smoother grooves, there isn't really much competition.
and to those that think Quik's sound lacks divesity, all i can say is you're not listening to or able to hear the intricacies in his production properly. it is totally subjective, but i'm going to say it anyway, a lot of people just aren't tuned in :laugh:
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and to those that think Quik's sound lacks divesity, all i can say is you're not listening to or able to hear the intricacies in his production properly. it is totally subjective, but i'm going to say it anyway, a lot of people just aren't tuned in :laugh:
I think they mean diversity as in types of beats, not the diversity in the elements of the production itself.
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and to those that think Quik's sound lacks divesity, all i can say is you're not listening to or able to hear the intricacies in his production properly. it is totally subjective, but i'm going to say it anyway, a lot of people just aren't tuned in :laugh:
I think they mean diversity as in types of beats, not the diversity in the elements of the production itself.
that's kinda the point though, the different ways you can flip and what you do within a particular style communicating more than more obvious forms of variety. i've come to appreciate more with less as where masters stand out the most, even if most people are like 'eh?'. for people who don't love the particular style in the first place, i can understand why quik's seeming lack of variation is a negative. but there's a lot more substance to his production work than most people appreciate or can hear. that's why he's underated.
it's taken me a hell of a long time to really get into what's going on in his production...but the better my sensitivity for what/how things are being communicated sonically, the better my audio equipment, the more i can hear in his work and the more enjoyable it is. i can't say the same for many producers. what quik is able to do is of the highest difficulty.
that's pretty much what it is ppl.
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I don't think the guy is overrated at all. From what I've seen on this board and other places, he seems to get an equal amount of like and dislike.
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If you ask me, people get confused regarding Quik because of this:
DJ Quik is great at making his type of beats, untouched in hiphop perhaps. But that's basically what he's limited to: He's a master at making smooth, melodious beats but beyond that he's simply decent. For example, his harder beats like, say, 'Fandango' or 'Justify My Thug', usually work (at least for me) but they are not on a different level. What's more, DJ Quik does not make tailormade beats for artists. Instead, the artist has to adjust to the type of beat DJ Quik makes.
With the overall greats, this quality is there. A Dr. Dre can adjust his sound to the artist and make it work even if it is outside of his normal work. Compare Dr. Dre's goofy production for Eminem to the generally weird and ergetic beats he gave Busta Rhymes to the thumping beats he gave Xzibit to the smooth beats he gave Snoop. A truly great producer uses his artist as an instrument and adjusts his other instruments to them. That's not to say Dr. Dre has not done his fair share of throw aways or passed beats along to different artists but...when he puts effort into it, his beats will fit the artist they accompany. The same is true of say, Timbaland or The Neptunes. They don't just deliver musical product, they create YOUR musical product.
DJ Quik on the other hand, makes his beats first and foremost for himself and if other artists want to use them, he'll consider it but they'll have to play between the fences in his musical playfield. He's not going to relocate those fences. I don't think it's a coincedence that, to me at least, Suga Free is DJ Quik's muse: They fit each other's styles perfectly but neither is very versatile, despite Quik's efforts to prove otherwise.
As for Battlecat, I'd say he's more like DJ Quik in this regard: Great at what he does, but limited to a small playfield.
I'd actually rate Fredwreck over both overall.
Nice post. But this can be said about many legendary producers. Dj Quik originality is what makes him unique.
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DJ Quik is perhaps overrated on this forum, which is understandable, but in wider hip-hop circles I don't think he is.
Someone mentioned that he hasn't reached out to provide beats for that many artists, but I reckon that if he wanted to he could do a beat for anyone, it's just that he's quite choosy about who he works with.
And don't pretend that every artist on the west wouldn't want a beat from Quik - the argument that he's being ignored by rappers on his own coast is laughable. As is the argument that him and Snoop aren't that close.
In terms of the Battlecat debate, Quik is easily better that Battlecat when it comes to production. Don't get me wrong, I love Battlecat's beats it's just that some of them are very samey. DJ Quik wins because he's the full package, MC, producer, DJ, engineer, whereas Cat isn't.
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I can see what was meant by Quik being a master at making beats...he is. But I wasn't saying that he wasn't. What I did say is that he's a master at making a certain type of beat. Complexity in beats is one thing and I value it greatly but complex does not equal a masterpiece. When Quik does his standard sort of beat, which in my book can be vaguely defined as 'melodious westcoast jam' he is the master. Untouched in his territory, definately. But complex though his other beats may be, they just don't work as well to me. Ask yourself if you prefer to listen to a beat like 'We Still Party', 'Tonite' or 'My Melody' on one hand, or to 'Trouble', 'Fandango' or 'Black Mercedes' on the other hand. Both types are good beats, but the latter category is what Quik can be good at, not what he's best at. Likewise, I'd say that Dr. Dre couldn't hold a candle to Quik when we're talking about smooth, melodious orchestrated beats...but overall, Dre takes the cake easily.
Perhaps it's true that Quik could make great tailormade beats for any artist. But if so, he hasn't proved it. (At least not for me.)
As for career, I don't think that says much about a person's abilities. One can be lucky, one can be poor at making business choices and one can be able or unable to connect to the right people. Even if Quik had never made beats that left his basement, the quality and his talents would still be there. Your connections are irrelevant.
I do think that, careerwise, there were at least four major balls Quik dropped.
One is not getting credit for his Death Row work.
Second is sticking to his crew. Quik's production for them looked good on their C.V., but not on his own. Suga Free and Mausberg had the most potential to get big, but that sadly didn't happen. Suga Free is much too radio unfriendly and Mausberg of course died.
Third is the 'Addicted' fiasco with the uncleared sample. If you ask me, that killed Quik's prospects with Aftermath.
The third is that he didn't properly connect to Snoop and Dogghouse. Snoop desperately wanted to prove how westcoast he was back in 1999/2000. Is it a coincedence that for 'No Limit Top Dogg' Snoop prominently teamed up with Dr. Dre, Quik's team, DPGC and Xzibit? How much more westcoast can you get than DJ Quik? There was Quik production on NLTD...and good production too. Hell, Snoop and Quik mesh well, Quik's protegé Suga Free was firmly connected to Dogghouse at the time. Where was DJ Quik during Dogghouse's succes years though? Certainly no where near those studios. I really think Quik should, if only for his own career, have tried to become one of Dogghouse's inhouse producers. I know Dogghouse sadly faded out, but don't forget it gave a boost to the careers of quite a few rappers...and more importantly, producers. Let me tell you this: If it weren't for Battlecat, Fredwreck and Jelly Roll becoming the main producers at Dogghouse, their resume would have been a tad less impressive. Now imagine what Quik's mixing could have brought Dogghouse or imagine Tha Eastsidaz, Kokane, LaToiya Williams or Butch Cassidy over an assortment of Quik's best beats. Dropped a ball the size of a beach ball there.
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^^ the tailormade thing, quik clearly hasn't been so successful in the business or prolific (at least in terms of official credits) as say timbaland or the neptunes. i think that's a huge shame because i'm sure his range, or ability to make his sounds fit different artists, is pretty much as good as anyone else out there. if he had carved out the chance to work with a wider range of vocalists outside his crew, i'm sure there'd be way more undisputed classic tracks in his catalogue. as it is it's easy for people to say he hasn't worked with as many people because his sound is too niche. in fact that's pretty much the logical conclusion.
however...i'm certain his talent is more than that, based on hearing more or less every little thing he's laid his hands on (at least as far as official productions go). then we get back to the subjective side of things, cause i feel like every variation he's done is a unique and masterful take on that flavour, while remaining true to his sonic signature. i mean that addictive track is not your typical west coast groove, nor is a track like 'buck bounce', or jay's justify my thug (a lot of people dislike that one)...without getting into too detailed discussion on his productions.
i guess being all out diverse, ala neptunes, is most desirable in the music industry and as far as being a 'producer' in the usual sense. but for me, what quik articulates within his style (which is perhaps more than anyone else has been able to do) more than makes up for up for that. he's not the best at every style, but he's a candidate for the best artist with sound, which is kinda what music production is at a base level. all depends what perspective you're hearing things from...
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Battlecat is overrated.
Quik is a fuckin beats on the boards! Quik defines smoothness in hip-hop ;D
btw anybody got a couple of his smoothes joints in GOOD/KNOCKIN quality?
I have a collection but from several years ago when I didnt care too much about the bitrate
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Overrated? He's fuckin' dope!!
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Skimming thru this topic while bumpin the instrumentals of youz a gangsta, up n da club, bring the funk remix, roger's groove, quik's groove 1, 2, 3 and 9 and something for the mood. Every last track mentioned is a classic by this man
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Compare Dr. Dre's goofy production for Eminem to the generally weird and ergetic beats he gave Busta Rhymes to the thumping beats he gave Xzibit to the smooth beats he gave Snoop. A truly great producer uses his artist as an instrument and adjusts his other instruments to them. That's not to say Dr. Dre has not done his fair share of throw aways or passed beats along to different artists but...when he puts effort into it, his beats will fit the artist they accompany.
Dre is the WORST example you could've reached for.
1. As much as I love Dre's music, its a proven fact that Dre has other producers make his beats and he tweaks/mixes them. God blessed the man with a platinum ear but still...
2. How many producers have claimed Quik took credit for their beats? Thank you. Actually the funny thing is in that complex article Quik flat-out admitted that the credits on Rhythm-a-lism were wrong for "Thinkin Bout U". When has Dre ever confessed improperly receiving credit for another artists' work?
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I could and should have expected that using Dr. Dre was to open up a can of worms and the mouths of his detractors. Perhaps your sentiments of Dr. Dre taking credit for other people's work are justified, but they amount to rumour, gossip and exaggaration at this point. You might be right about them, but they're speculations and from often unreliable sources too. In this case, I'd rather believe Snoop who can be very harsh about people near to him yet praises Dre as a producer, than the likes of Big Hutch or 2Pac who were both out to tarnish or even destroy Dre's career at the time. Also, take note of the fact that Quik himself regrets doing 'U ain't fresh!' and acknowledges Dr. Dre as a producer superior to himself.
You're right that Dr. Dre is perhaps not much of a beatmaker...but then that would not really disprove my point that as a producer and mixer, which is his forte, he is very good, simple and plain. What Dr. Dre's critics about his alleged taking-credit-habit generally ignore or fail to realise is that he brushes up other people's beats and that this is just as much bringing greatness to a record is as making a skeleton beat.
You're right that, generally, Dr. Dre would not create beats from scratch whereas Quik does, but Dre's final touch lifts beats up to the level of productions. Quik does make beats from scratch and yes, he does add his own producer's touch...but, to me at least, he's more limited in the latter department than Dr. Dre is. And please, don't assume that beatmaking equals producing because it does not.
As for the suggestions that DJ Quik would have shone more if he hadn't stuck too his crew...that might be true, but that also amounts to speculation. We can't judge him or anyone on things they might have created but didn't.
I have to admit I don't like how this thread has now turned into a Dr. Dre is better/DJ Quik is better contest, but there you are.
Any takers for or takes on my 'DJ Quik should have joined Dogghouse' thought?
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^why are au goin back and forth wit me like u feel insulted or some shit, kid?
like i said, BC's and Quiks catalgoe are not taht much different.
BC wasnt even active like that when Pac died and Eazy died.
BC would surely have produced for thsoe acts as well, if he was around back then
he was producing the Bangin On Wax albums
He only produced the tittle track.
steady dippin'?
No, but he did keyboards on the song and has a cameo in the music video. It was produce by Ronnie Ron and QLuso.
http://www.rapmusicguide.com/amass/images/inventory/980/Bloods%20%26%20Crips%20-%20Bangin%20On%20Wax%20open.jpg
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hell naw
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No he isnt overrated. Hes good at what he does, as some others have already said. And hes also a guy who hasnt jumped ship from his niche to try and make rick ross beats which is commendable because the final product is better that way.
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no,
cause i dont know what his rating is.
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never been a big fan but he's cool .. Quik'music is soft ( in a good way).
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Oh yeah, Quik also worked with Will Smith "Block Party" & Rick James "Hard To Get". Those songs are BANGIN!!!!
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LMAO @ you fags talkin shit about Dj premier
you serious??
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He has a lot of fans on this forum etc but pretty hard to call him overrated in general.
But he certainly has a very high opinion of himself. Funny to read the interviews where he's coming off as the musical genius of the century even when he's saying that he's just getting into arranging. :D It's like his gimmick. Actually I wonder who he's trying to convince more, himself or us.
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i noticed that too. teh arrogance runs deep in mr Quik. hes not even in the same lane as Dr Dre or DJ Premier as a game-changing legend or creative genius..
just like Curtis "50 cent" Jackson, i really like his interviews though - the funny Napoleon-syndrome calls for an entertaining read every time 8)
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If you ask me, people get confused regarding Quik because of this:
DJ Quik is great at making his type of beats, untouched in hiphop perhaps. But that's basically what he's limited to: He's a master at making smooth, melodious beats but beyond that he's simply decent. For example, his harder beats like, say, 'Fandango' or 'Justify My Thug', usually work (at least for me) but they are not on a different level. What's more, DJ Quik does not make tailormade beats for artists. Instead, the artist has to adjust to the type of beat DJ Quik makes.
With the overall greats, this quality is there. A Dr. Dre can adjust his sound to the artist and make it work even if it is outside of his normal work. Compare Dr. Dre's goofy production for Eminem to the generally weird and ergetic beats he gave Busta Rhymes to the thumping beats he gave Xzibit to the smooth beats he gave Snoop. A truly great producer uses his artist as an instrument and adjusts his other instruments to them. That's not to say Dr. Dre has not done his fair share of throw aways or passed beats along to different artists but...when he puts effort into it, his beats will fit the artist they accompany. The same is true of say, Timbaland or The Neptunes. They don't just deliver musical product, they create YOUR musical product.
DJ Quik on the other hand, makes his beats first and foremost for himself and if other artists want to use them, he'll consider it but they'll have to play between the fences in his musical playfield. He's not going to relocate those fences. I don't think it's a coincedence that, to me at least, Suga Free is DJ Quik's muse: They fit each other's styles perfectly but neither is very versatile, despite Quik's efforts to prove otherwise.
As for Battlecat, I'd say he's more like DJ Quik in this regard: Great at what he does, but limited to a small playfield.
I'd actually rate Fredwreck over both overall.
that's not 100% true. Although Quik's specialty is that smooth, funky shit, if you listen to Maussberg's album you can tell Quik made them rough, harder type beats to fit Maussberg's gritty, gangsta style. The same can be said for Suga Free's !st album. You can tell those type of beats were made just for him. So in some cases Quik can make beats that fit a particular artist.
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I could and should have expected that using Dr. Dre was to open up a can of worms and the mouths of his detractors. Perhaps your sentiments of Dr. Dre taking credit for other people's work are justified, but they amount to rumour, gossip and exaggaration at this point. You might be right about them, but they're speculations and from often unreliable sources too. In this case, I'd rather believe Snoop who can be very harsh about people near to him yet praises Dre as a producer, than the likes of Big Hutch or 2Pac who were both out to tarnish or even destroy Dre's career at the time. Also, take note of the fact that Quik himself regrets doing 'U ain't fresh!' and acknowledges Dr. Dre as a producer superior to himself.
You're right that Dr. Dre is perhaps not much of a beatmaker...but then that would not really disprove my point that as a producer and mixer, which is his forte, he is very good, simple and plain. What Dr. Dre's critics about his alleged taking-credit-habit generally ignore or fail to realise is that he brushes up other people's beats and that this is just as much bringing greatness to a record is as making a skeleton beat.
You're right that, generally, Dr. Dre would not create beats from scratch whereas Quik does, but Dre's final touch lifts beats up to the level of productions. Quik does make beats from scratch and yes, he does add his own producer's touch...but, to me at least, he's more limited in the latter department than Dr. Dre is. And please, don't assume that beatmaking equals producing because it does not.
As for the suggestions that DJ Quik would have shone more if he hadn't stuck too his crew...that might be true, but that also amounts to speculation. We can't judge him or anyone on things they might have created but didn't.
I have to admit I don't like how this thread has now turned into a Dr. Dre is better/DJ Quik is better contest, but there you are.
Any takers for or takes on my 'DJ Quik should have joined Dogghouse' thought?
I noticed a lot of people on here assume that Dr. Dre takes other peple's beats and makes them better. But from what I read from various people regarding Dre, the beat usually starts & ends with Dre. Usually Dre will already have a rough skeleton of a beat laid down like the drums and he'll either have musicians & co-producers add their own input/ideas , or he'll pretty much know the direction he wants the beat to go in & he'll either play a rough idea on a keyboard & have musicians replay it better, or he'll hum some shit he wants them to play. Or he'll play a sample he wants to use and have them replay/recreate it to his liking. I think the only time he'll take someone's already completed track and enhance it or make it better, you can see in the credits as additional production by Dr. Dre (like Game's Hate It Or Love It, or Busta Rhyme's Been Through the Storm for example) but if it says Produced by Dr. Dre (rather if it's his name alone or a with a co-producer) you can best believe he had the biggest hand in the production and beat making of the track. Most people on here take a former collaborator's word of Dre stealing credit as gold. But you gotta understand most people in this music game have humongous egos & feel they're deserved more than what they actually get. But you look at they shit without Dre & that shit is ass or average at best compared to the shit done with Dre.But Quik is that nigga when it comes to production too. He can just play keys a lil better than Dre so he's a lil more hands-on so his beats sound a lil more signature in a sense. But they both have a good ear for the musicians they use to help them with they shit. They both know who/what works for them.
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Are y'all serious. There's no other in hip who will EVER do it better.
If the links don't work, the songs are change the game and shut up nigga. Just ta name a
few.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfhiswvMJ5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gfhiswvMJ5UY
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He has some of my fav production, but imo he has silly ass rapping
and i hate his hair
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DJ Quik is the most talented artist in hip-hop period. He is certainly not overrated.
Nobody can make beats like him on his level as well as rap and write all his music.
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DJ Quik is the most talented artist in hip-hop period.
he is not