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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: WILL-I-DIE on July 01, 2007, 10:06:04 PM
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im bumpin this album right now and i gotta say its a dope album. got some heat in that album.
i consider it a classic.
Puff Daddy - No Way Out [1997]
1. No Way Out (Intro)
2. Victory - (featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Busta Rhymes)
3. Been Around The World - (featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Mase)
4. What You Gonna Do?
5. Don't Stop What You're Doing - (featuring Lil' Kim)
6. If I Should Die Tonight - (interlude, featuring Carl Thomas)
7. Do You Know?
8. Young G's - (featuring Notorious B.I.G. & Jay-Z)
9. I Love You Baby - (featuring Black Rob)
10. It's All About The Benjamins - (remix, featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Lil' Kim/The Lox)
11. Pain
12. Is This The End? - (featuring Ginuwine/Twista/Carl Thomas)
13. I Got The Power - (featuring The Lox)
14. Friend - (featuring Foxy Brown)
15. Senorita
16. I'll Be Missing You - (featuring Faith Evans/112)
17. Can't Nobody Hold Me Down - (featuring Mase)
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It is in my Book!!
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it definately has some hot joints on there but i dunno if i would go as far as to call it a classic....that word gets thrown around alot, back then i woulda figured in order for an album to be a classic u gotta be able to jam the album from front to back without skipping (shits gotta be that good)....which today is unheard of so nowadays my oppinion on a classic album is an album u could pretty much ALMOST jam front to back, maybe 1 or 2 skippers....now i stated in another thread that Monch's Desire is a classic to me becuz theres litterly only like 2 tracks i skip (love that album) since it came out i notice people shit on it cuz they wanted to hear Internal Affairs 2 but ppl gotta realize that that was like 8 years ago when that cd came out lol..face it, dudes style changed...as it would anyone else that hadnt released shit in 8 years....i like his new style 8)
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It is in my Book!!
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yea it has some fillers but look at all the monster singles from back in the day...
2. Victory - (featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Busta Rhymes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIKLwo8CJAo
3. Been Around The World - (featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Mase) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kib8eWrxTs
10. It's All About The Benjamins - (remix, featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Lil' Kim/The Lox) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REycCu49Vvk
16. I'll Be Missing You - (featuring Faith Evans/112) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX9cM-Ovm3s
17. Can't Nobody Hold Me Down - (featuring Mase) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL03THMxea0
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I think its a classic
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3.75 / 5
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Couple of dope tracks, but fuck naaw it ain't a classic!
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I think its a classic
yeah me too
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Couple of cool jams on there, but classic - nah.
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I'd have to say it's a classic too. Nice line-up. I just don't like Puffy/Diddy/Puff Daddy whatever the fuck he calls himself now!
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I can still bump No Way out, to this day, and am still not tired of it.
IMO, it's mos def a mid 90's east coast classic, it may not be everyones cup of tea, but it's still a classic none-the-less.
If you're honest with yourself, even if you don't like Puffy, you gotta admit that album was banging... I only skip the interludes, the filler tracks(aka non singles) were tight too. Victory still bangs hard, even the NIN remeix of Victory bangs. All About The Benjamins is still a hot song.
Been Around The World was the Sumemr Jam of 97 too, I'll never forget that summer...
And personally, I thought that album complimeted the Life After Death LP... and I think a few of us are forgetting just how big Bad Boy was at the time.
And one thing's for sure that album bangs a lot harder than 70% of the shit today, including all of Bad Boys new shit...
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yea it has some fillers but look at all the monster singles from back in the day...
2. Victory - (featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Busta Rhymes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIKLwo8CJAo
3. Been Around The World - (featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Mase) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kib8eWrxTs
10. It's All About The Benjamins - (remix, featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Lil' Kim/The Lox) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REycCu49Vvk
16. I'll Be Missing You - (featuring Faith Evans/112) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX9cM-Ovm3s
17. Can't Nobody Hold Me Down - (featuring Mase) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL03THMxea0
Hmmm. Its definitely a good album but I don't think it changed the game too much or had other's copying its style. Classic if you are a Puffy fan or Puffy himself but not overall. He held it down though.
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yea it has some fillers but look at all the monster singles from back in the day...
2. Victory - (featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Busta Rhymes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIKLwo8CJAo
3. Been Around The World - (featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Mase) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kib8eWrxTs
10. It's All About The Benjamins - (remix, featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Lil' Kim/The Lox) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REycCu49Vvk
16. I'll Be Missing You - (featuring Faith Evans/112) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VX9cM-Ovm3s
17. Can't Nobody Hold Me Down - (featuring Mase) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eL03THMxea0
Hmmm. Its definitely a good album but I don't think it changed the game too much or had other's copying its style. Classic if you are a Puffy fan or Puffy himself but not overall. He held it down though.
Well, just because it didn't change the game or the fact that it had copies others style, doesn't mean it's not a classic.
For me, in the hip hop sense, classic means it summed up the feeling of hip hop at the moment. It was such a overwhelming success, if I recall, the biggest selling hip hop album of 1997 I believe.
It's like this for me: I don't think Get Rich Or Die Trying was personally my taste... but it's apparent it's a classic.
Point is, just because it's not really your taste or style, sometimes you can see the influence it has on everyone...
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I grew up with the singles from that album and it was those songs that made me want more from Hip-Hop, so you know the album is special to me.Young G's has a fuckin' vicious Biggie verse, which just has to be mentioned when talking about that album.
Gotta give props to the last few posts cause I can agree with them, they're pretty accurate, especially the thing about this album kinda complimenting Life After Death.
And another thing, if a playlist with select songs from Life After Death and No Way Out was to be made=BANGING
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CLASSIC
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W.A.C.K. :sleep:
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its a alright cd. it can be considered classic in today's context.. but if you take it in the context with all the other music being released around that time, its not.
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its a alright cd. it can be considered classic in today's context.. but if you take it in the context with all the other music being released around that time, its not.
Co-sign. I have a hard time picking this as a classic. I consider Life After Death a classic and this does not come close to that album. Also Biggie was a BIG part of that album along with countless ghostwriters including BIG so it always was more of a compilation not just the work of Puffy so good album, yes, classic, no.
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it's within the gray-area of whether it's a classic or not, BUT it's better than 80% of the crap that's out right now!!!
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it's within the gray-area of whether it's a classic or not, BUT it's better than 80% of the crap that's out right now!!!
Yeah it is better than alot of stuff that is coming out right now. Puffy and classic album just don't go together for me. He had ALOT of help on that album. You can see what happened when he started writing his own stuff on the 2nd one and with no Biggie how much of a difference there was.
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like it or not diddy is a part of hip hop history.
i really think no diddy no notorious big.
also its not a bad thing to call an album "classic" unless it sucked.
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like it or not diddy is a part of hip hop history.
i really think no diddy no notorious big.
also its not a bad thing to call an album "classic" unless it sucked.
Yeah that is true, but without Biggie, Puffy is like L.A. Reid or Babyface. A good executive for R&B acts so it works both ways. A great talent is a great talent and he was able to take Big's career to the next level, but it is not like Puff was working with Yung Joc, Big had skills. I just feel like No Way Out was more manufactured by alot of producers and ghostwriters to create that sound
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I grew up with the singles from that album and it was those songs that made me want more from Hip-Hop, so you know the album is special to me.
same as, id like diddy to realise another album like this but it wont happen.
I wouldnt say it was a classic but it is a very good album, reminds me of my sixth form days !!
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I don't know if I consider it a classic, but I definitely like the album. This was the first rap album I ever owned. Victory was the jam back in the day. I was a big Twista fan too, so I made sure to check out anything that he was featured on.
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Not sure if I would call it a classic, but I wouldn't mind people considering it one.
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i grew up on this so it will always be a classic to me.
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for it's day it was no where near a classic, it was a laughable sherade. that's because the bar at the time was set so high by early 90's classics such as the chronic, doggystyle, illmatic, 36 chambers, all eyez on me, me against the world, ready to die, makaveli, and so on, that in no way could it ever be considered a historic album.
however today, the bar has been set soooooooo LOW that IMO when comparing this album to any other hip hop album that comes out today it'd definately deserve at the very least 4-4.5 mics .
it's like the vanilla ice thread i made. for it's time....lol, it was laughable. but give me No Way out all day every over some of the shit that's coming out now. i mean shit Rocky/David bowie samples>>>>>>>cheesy synths and trends that set black people back 100 years.
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Hmmm, this one seems to be a tricky one... it's about half and half pro and con...
My thing is, you really can't compare it to the Chronic, Doggystyle, All Eyez, etc... it really wasn't any of those types of albums nor was it trying to be.
It was the finest of the "Mafioso" glossy shit... sprinlkled with hardness and partyjams in between... the same way 36 was the finest for that sperhard eastcoast shit, and and pac and dres respective albums were the prototypical Wast albums... they all had thier niche
Lets see what Merriam-Webster said:
clas·sic
Pronunciation:
\ˈkla-sik\
1 a: serving as a standard of excellence : of recognized value b: traditional, enduring<classic designs...
3 a: historically memorable b: noted because of special literary or historical associations
If you honestly look at it, it does fit quite a bit of the criteria...
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Definitely a dope album, it's a toss up whether or not it is a classic. I think Puffy is corny as hell, but I cant front on this album. Dope beats, dope collaborations with Twista and Jay too.
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im bumpin this album right now and i gotta say its a dope album. got some heat in that album.
i consider it a classic.
Puff Daddy - No Way Out [1997]
1. No Way Out (Intro)
2. Victory - (featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Busta Rhymes)
3. Been Around The World - (featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Mase)
4. What You Gonna Do?
5. Don't Stop What You're Doing - (featuring Lil' Kim)
6. If I Should Die Tonight - (interlude, featuring Carl Thomas)
7. Do You Know?
8. Young G's - (featuring Notorious B.I.G. & Jay-Z)
9. I Love You Baby - (featuring Black Rob)
10. It's All About The Benjamins - (remix, featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Lil' Kim/The Lox)
11. Pain
12. Is This The End? - (featuring Ginuwine/Twista/Carl Thomas)
13. I Got The Power - (featuring The Lox)
14. Friend - (featuring Foxy Brown)
15. Senorita
16. I'll Be Missing You - (featuring Faith Evans/112)
17. Can't Nobody Hold Me Down - (featuring Mase)
Nice thread. You know, I think it is worth the debate over wether or not it's a classic. I would say no, because I think it represents a shift in hip-hop, where we started moving away from the East Coast consciousness/5% Islamic influenced hip-hop... to more of an East Coast bling bling Jay-Z R&B fake ass faggot era of hip-hop. So that's why I would say no. Otherwise, it was a pretty interesting album, only because BIggies death distracted them long enough from their money to allow them to talk about something real.
It's a really emotional album, what I really like about this album, and what we don't see enough of anymore in today's hip-hop... is like all the great albums of the 90's era, THE ALBUM HAS A MOOD, AND A TONE. Like, 2pac's Me Against the World album, for example, that album has a mood, and a tone, that carries the album throughout.
Well this album's mood is dream like... he goes in and out of dreaming of love, riches, and fallen hip-hop hero's and the heaven and hell that awaits them. It's a very beautiful album. Tracks like "Pain", "Is This The End", "Do You Know" "Victory" are very musical in their sound quality, mood, and lyrics. The tracks are more like events then songs, if you know what I mean. They are fully produced from top to bottom. A lot of effort and attention went into this album and it's concepts.
GREAT ALBUM but not classic.
...Jake made a nice post above... and I'll add that the album came out at a time when hip-hop had just started it's decline and was still capable of releasing great albums... so No Way Out was nothing too special for it's time... but compared to the trash that's out there today, it's a 5 mic classic.
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im bumpin this album right now and i gotta say its a dope album. got some heat in that album.
i consider it a classic.
Puff Daddy - No Way Out [1997]
1. No Way Out (Intro)
2. Victory - (featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Busta Rhymes)
3. Been Around The World - (featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Mase)
4. What You Gonna Do?
5. Don't Stop What You're Doing - (featuring Lil' Kim)
6. If I Should Die Tonight - (interlude, featuring Carl Thomas)
7. Do You Know?
8. Young G's - (featuring Notorious B.I.G. & Jay-Z)
9. I Love You Baby - (featuring Black Rob)
10. It's All About The Benjamins - (remix, featuring The Notorious B.I.G./Lil' Kim/The Lox)
11. Pain
12. Is This The End? - (featuring Ginuwine/Twista/Carl Thomas)
13. I Got The Power - (featuring The Lox)
14. Friend - (featuring Foxy Brown)
15. Senorita
16. I'll Be Missing You - (featuring Faith Evans/112)
17. Can't Nobody Hold Me Down - (featuring Mase)
Nice thread. You know, I think it is worth the debate over wether or not it's a classic. I would say no, because I think it represents a shift in hip-hop, where we started moving away from the East Coast consciousness/5% Islamic influenced hip-hop... to more of an East Coast bling bling Jay-Z R&B fake ass faggot era of hip-hop. So that's why I would say no. Otherwise, it was a pretty interesting album, only because BIggies death distracted them long enough from their money to allow them to talk about something real.
It's a really emotional album, what I really like about this album, and what we don't see enough of anymore in today's hip-hop... is like all the great albums of the 90's era, THE ALBUM HAS A MOOD, AND A TONE. Like, 2pac's Me Against the World album, for example, that album has a mood, and a tone, that carries the album throughout.
Well this album's mood is dream like... he goes in and out of dreaming of love, riches, and fallen hip-hop hero's and the heaven and hell that awaits them. It's a very beautiful album. Tracks like "Pain", "Is This The End", "Do You Know" "Victory" are very musical in their sound quality, mood, and lyrics. The tracks are more like events then songs, if you know what I mean. They are fully produced from top to bottom. A lot of effort and attention went into this album and it's concepts.
GREAT ALBUM but not classic.
...Jake made a nice post above... and I'll add that the album came out at a time when hip-hop had just started it's decline and was still capable of releasing great albums... so No Way Out was nothing too special for it's time... but compared to the trash that's out there today, it's a 5 mic classic.
Great points dude.
But a few things: That "shift" was coming wheter Puffy put that album or not... it was inevitable. And remember Bad Boy kinda started that "Mafioso" glossy hip hop.
When others saw the formula as successful, they were copying it, I would as early as 1996. So to say Puff started the decline...? I say it was that OTHERS lost some originality and copied a proven, money making style.
And this happens all the time: Ready To Die was like the East Coast Chronic for me. You can tell Puff was influenced by the Doctorr. I mean, even look at today: What's big now, the Screwed and chopped hooks... everybody has one now... because they're following the trend. And remember for a while there, EVERYBODY wanted a Bad Boy producer on thier records, be it Puffy, Stevie J, the T.O.N.Y. dudes, anybody from the Hitmen saquad.
Remember the days when you HAD to have a Bad Boy remix? That's what Im talking about with others losing thier originality... "just have Puff set up a remix, and I'll go platinum" was the thought from 1996 - 1999...
And BTW, this is ONE GREAT DEBATE, intelligent conversation and thoughts.
This thread is why Dubcc is the BEST forum for hip hop.
Any other board, this would be a flaming (no homo), troll laden thread.
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Great points dude.
But a few things: That "shift" was coming wheter Puffy put that album or not... it was inevitable. And remember Bad Boy kinda started that "Mafioso" glossy hip hop.
When others saw the formula as successful, they were copying it, I would as early as 1996. So to say Puff started the decline...? I say it was that OTHERS lost some originality and copied a proven, money making style.
And this happens all the time: Ready To Die was like the East Coast Chronic for me. You can tell Puff was influenced by the Doctorr. I mean, even look at today: What's big now, the Screwed and chopped hooks... everybody has one now... because they're following the trend. And remember for a while there, EVERYBODY wanted a Bad Boy producer on thier records, be it Puffy, Stevie J, the T.O.N.Y. dudes, anybody from the Hitmen saquad.
Remember the days when you HAD to have a Bad Boy remix? That's what Im talking about with others losing thier originality... "just have Puff set up a remix, and I'll go platinum" was the thought from 1996 - 1999...
And BTW, this is ONE GREAT DEBATE, intelligent conversation and thoughts.
This thread is why Dubcc is the BEST forum for hip hop.
Any other board, this would be a flaming (no homo), troll laden thread.
Nice post... but let me clarify that I wasn't saying that it was because of this album that hip-hop started to decline, I said that hip-hop had already started it's decline by the time this album came out. I happen to believe strongly that hip-hop started it's decline the day 2pac died.
Bad Boy was dope in the mid-90's era. I was watching an old Craig Mack video where they had a Bad Boy remix like you were talking about about.. of Flavor in Your Ear, and even though it had LL and Busta Rhymes on it, which are two rappers I've never really liked, the joint was blazing!! Because that was the era, you had to come with some quality back then to get respect.
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nahhh wouldnt say itsa classic, shits 3/5
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it def made some kind of impact....
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He had ALOT of help on that album. You can see what happened when he started writing his own stuff on the 2nd one and with no Biggie how much of a difference there was.
Yeah that is true, but without Biggie, Puffy is like L.A. Reid or Babyface. A good executive for R&B acts so it works both ways. A great talent is a great talent and he was able to take Big's career to the next level, but it is not like Puff was working with Yung Joc, Big had skills. I just feel like No Way Out was more manufactured by alot of producers and ghostwriters to create that sound
change Biggie with Snoop and Puffy with Dre and you'll see that's no way to judge an album ;)
I like this album alot... I can't really comment too much on it's impact at the time, because when I was 11 I was all hyped up about "fuck the eastcoast, PIG" etc. But in retrospective I definately recognize it as a great album. Say what you want about Puff's production, but it is catchy as fuck!
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He had ALOT of help on that album. You can see what happened when he started writing his own stuff on the 2nd one and with no Biggie how much of a difference there was.
Yeah that is true, but without Biggie, Puffy is like L.A. Reid or Babyface. A good executive for R&B acts so it works both ways. A great talent is a great talent and he was able to take Big's career to the next level, but it is not like Puff was working with Yung Joc, Big had skills. I just feel like No Way Out was more manufactured by alot of producers and ghostwriters to create that sound
change Biggie with Snoop and Puffy with Dre and you'll see that's no way to judge an album ;)
I like this album alot... I can't really comment too much on it's impact at the time, because when I was 11 I was all hyped up about "fuck the eastcoast, PIG" etc. But in retrospective I definately recognize it as a great album. Say what you want about Puff's production, but it is catchy as fuck!
Not only that; Aside from the glossy singles (Been Around The World, which is still BUMPIN, Missing You, and Can't Nobody Hold me Down) that album was fire back then and still is now. The rest of the beats on that album were hot, you can't tell me the 1st time you heard "Benjamins," you didn't thik that shit was bumpin, even if it was Puffy? I was 16 back then in 97, right when that East West bullshit was on...and even my diehard, West coast, 2pac stan friends who absolutly hated "P.I.G." were bumping that Puff Daddy record for a long minute.
I think we forgot just how big that record was... for the time, and for what it was, no question for me that reccord is cllearly classic
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He had ALOT of help on that album. You can see what happened when he started writing his own stuff on the 2nd one and with no Biggie how much of a difference there was.
Yeah that is true, but without Biggie, Puffy is like L.A. Reid or Babyface. A good executive for R&B acts so it works both ways. A great talent is a great talent and he was able to take Big's career to the next level, but it is not like Puff was working with Yung Joc, Big had skills. I just feel like No Way Out was more manufactured by alot of producers and ghostwriters to create that sound
change Biggie with Snoop and Puffy with Dre and you'll see that's no way to judge an album ;)
I like this album alot... I can't really comment too much on it's impact at the time, because when I was 11 I was all hyped up about "fuck the eastcoast, PIG" etc. But in retrospective I definately recognize it as a great album. Say what you want about Puff's production, but it is catchy as fuck!
Not only that; Aside from the glossy singles (Been Around The World, which is still BUMPIN, Missing You, and Can't Nobody Hold me Down) that album was fire back then and still is now. The rest of the beats on that album were hot, you can't tell me the 1st time you heard "Benjamins," you didn't thik that shit was bumpin, even if it was Puffy? I was 16 back then in 97, right when that East West bullshit was on...and even my diehard, West coast, 2pac stan friends who absolutly hated "P.I.G." were bumping that Puff Daddy record for a long minute.
I think we forgot just how big that record was... for the time, and for what it was, no question for me that reccord is cllearly classic
i remember putting the beginning of "Benjamins" on my pager-voicemail-intro.....lol.... that shit was hot....
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anyone got a link to this cd????
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And remember Bad Boy kinda started that "Mafioso" glossy hip hop.
Couple of tracks on Ready to Die so yeah techically. It really jumped out after Raekwon's Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
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I say 4/5. Not quite a classic but still one damn good album. Diddy sure did have some dope ghostwriters back then, and plus Biggie and The Lox were real hard. I still bump this album no doubt
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And remember Bad Boy kinda started that "Mafioso" glossy hip hop.
Couple of tracks on Ready to Die so yeah techically. It really jumped out after Raekwon's Only Built 4 Cuban Linx
Yup, then everyone started doing it, Rae, Nas, even 2pac you can say had a little Mafioso rhymes is his raps.
LOL but the culmination of that was "The Firm"
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its a classic in my book
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I say 4/5. Not quite a classic but still one damn good album. Diddy sure did have some dope ghostwriters back then, and plus Biggie and The Lox were real hard. I still bump this album no doubt
and black rob who is way under rated
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This came out when i was 17 and right in the middle of the east-west bullshit. I hated Puff, but really, you could not front on this cd.
It isn't flawless by any means, Puff sucks at rapping, yet somehow he made a classic cd. The guests and the standout cuts make it a classic, something you can't take away from hiphop. VICTORY is one of the best songs ever created in hiphop history if you ask me, that shit is straight CRAZY.
Love this cd, will probably always bump it. Puff can't produce, can't write, can't rap, yet the cd is amazing! Dude is a genius for real.
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I wouldn't go as far as to call it a classic, but there were no doubt some classic joints from there. When that shit dropped, that was all we were listening to. I remember the first time I heard Victory - shit was so goddamn dope. Of course Puff rapping ability were pretty wack, but that beat coupled with Big & Busta was just insane.
I'll have to break this out, haven't bumped it in a minute.