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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Jay_J on April 22, 2022, 01:12:20 PM
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PART 1
https://youtu.be/-RrvZpzfrs8
PART 2
https://youtu.be/brKDQ_xH88E
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Damn great interview. Wheels really did fall of for em on Encore. The fall off between Eminem show and half that album was shocking. Wasted some primo Dre beats and seems like Dre didn’t have any interest in quality control as far as em’s choruses and song structure, a strength of Bass.
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really good interview, bass brothers probably haven't got near enough credit for their work as the years have rolled by. Sounds like eminem was in a really really bad place during that encore period, made me want to go back through his back catalogue and listen to it through different ears. I wonder how they fell out so quickly and how they were unable to reconcile.
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really good interview, bass brothers probably haven't got near enough credit for their work as the years have rolled by. Sounds like eminem was in a really really bad place during that encore period, made me want to go back through his back catalogue and listen to it through different ears. I wonder how they fell out so quickly and how they were unable to reconcile.
im guessing it was related to both of them battling addiction. you gotta cut off enablers if you're serious about cleaning up, and for years they both enabled each other maybe?
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yeah that's what I kind of took from his answer as well, always a shame when such a thing like that happens as I definitely think creatively when they both worked together that was peak Eminem. But of course life and thus music is about chapters. I listened to slim shady LP in the gym tonight and man that album was pure artistry. the production from the bass brothers is top notch as well having paid closer attention to it.
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Infinite, Slim Shady & Marshall Mather's LP (Pt.1).
Thats it.
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just right after this interview i realised that eminem really never thanked to Bass Brothers in any winning award. what a shame while they were doing almost everything.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xFfRJ07RtVg
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Infinite, Slim Shady & Marshall Mather's LP (Pt.1).
Thats it.
what da hell are you talking about? They did whole "The Eminem Show" together. Dre just gave 3 fillers to that album. Also D12's Devil's Night entirely produced by Jeff Bass and Eminem.
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Damn great interview. Wheels really did fall of for em on Encore. The fall off between Eminem show and half that album was shocking. Wasted some primo Dre beats and seems like Dre didn’t have any interest in quality control as far as em’s choruses and song structure, a strength of Bass.
First two albums, Dre was responsible for making hit records that will be promoted strongfuly. The rest entirely produced by Jeff Bass. My Name is or The Real Slim Shady won music awards but if you became an Eminem fan it was because you have listened to songs like Rock Bottom, Just The Two Of Us, Marshall Mathers, Kim, Criminal. Third album finally is heavily produced by Jeff Bass, even all the hit records (without me, cleaning out my closet, superman, sing for the moment, white america), dre just gave 3 fillers and they never became one of "Greatest Songs Of Eminem". (i like those 3 songs by the way). Before The Eminem show they also did D12's debut album Devils Night, again entirely produced by Jeff Bass and Eminem except of 4 Dre productions. Great album, no doubt. Finally they did their Magnum Opus "LOSE YOURSELF" for 8 mile movie.
Reasons why Encore failed;
1- Encore was the first album that Jeff Bass wasn't involved.
2- Eminem was battling with drug addiction.
3- Dre was working on detox and gave some of his cast off beats to Eminem, also fucked up on executive producing the project.
4- Two great songs (We as americans and Love you more) were leaked and Eminem had to replace them with new songs hastily. Those songs were "Rain man" and "Big Winnie". :(
After Encore's fail as i know they started to work together again, and in this period they did songs like:
"gatman and robin" (50 cent)
"drama setter" (tony yayo)
"trapped" (proof)
"lord have mercy" (lil scrappy)
"peep show" (50 cent)
"touch down" (ti)
"lose my mind" (young buck)
"lac motion" (cashiss)
"crazy" (trick trick)
last song they did together was "Beautiful" which ended up as one of his greatest songs with a music video on Relapse.
How i wish they can work together again. Now he replaced Luis Resto with Jeff Bass and it works very well for him lately, their chemistry is awesome but, it took time you know.
However Em is still working a lot and very succesful, i never heard Jeff Bass doing smth lately. Last thing i know he worked with "Jem" and produced 4 songs for her which i am a fan of. You can listen to one of it below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ERHlRS_46M
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Where the songs Bully, monkey see monkey do and can I bitch also Encore leaks?
I remember being major disappointed when I bought that cd.
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what da hell are you talking about? They did whole "The Eminem Show" together. Dre just gave 3 fillers to that album. Also D12's Devil's Night entirely produced by Jeff Bass and Eminem.
Dre had the best beats on there. Also you're forgetting about Kon Artis.
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Dre had the best beats on there. Also you're forgetting about Kon Artis.
i don't forget bro, llet me correct, i should say entirely instead 4 dr. dre beats....the rest was produced by jeff bass and eminem (denaun also co produced 3 of em).
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Reasons why Encore failed;
1- Encore was the first album that Jeff Bass wasn't involved.
2- Eminem was battling with drug addiction.
3- Dre was working on detox and gave some of his cast off beats to Eminem, also fucked up on executive producing the project.
4- Two great songs (We as americans and Love you more) were leaked and Eminem had to replace them with new songs hastily. Those songs were "Rain man" and "Big Winnie". :(
After Encore's fail as i know they started to work together again, and in this period they did songs like:
"gatman and robin" (50 cent)
"drama setter" (tony yayo)
"trapped" (proof)
"lord have mercy" (lil scrappy)
"peep show" (50 cent)
"touch down" (ti)
"lose my mind" (young buck)
"lac motion" (cashiss)
"crazy" (trick trick)
However Em is still working a lot and very succesful, i never heard Jeff Bass doing smth lately. Last thing i know he worked with "Jem" and produced 4 songs for her which i am a fan of. You can listen to one of it below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ERHlRS_46M
Good find Jay... she sounds like Dido, back when Dido and Em were in their video together.
"We As Americuns" was a fucking great song and I'm still mad that joint got leaked and wasn't on the regular album when it came out.
I'm really not familiar with those songs you listed above that Bass did for artists like Yayo and Banks. i will have to check them out.
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Damn great interview. Wheels really did fall of for em on Encore. The fall off between Eminem show and half that album was shocking. Wasted some primo Dre beats and seems like Dre didn’t have any interest in quality control as far as em’s choruses and song structure, a strength of Bass.
Could of been a great interview if the fuccing guy interviewing could shut up. That always bothers me about interview in the social media era you have a lot of amateurs who don't know how to shut up during interviews when the artist starts to get going on something really interested that I've been wanting to hear about.
That part about what Jeff calls "clap" with classical music was something very interesting and something I noticed in their sound together but didn't know the Science behind it, but the interview just interrupted him and changed the subject but I think he could of gone even more into that. But I was a huge fan of that signature sound, didn't know it had a name "clap".
There were a lot of other moments when Jeff was really going into the development of their sound and style that really took me back to 1999 because I remember all of it in great detail--and the fuccing interviewer would always want to throw in his two cents. Almost made me turn off the interview.
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really good interview, bass brothers probably haven't got near enough credit for their work as the years have rolled by. Sounds like eminem was in a really really bad place during that encore period, made me want to go back through his back catalogue and listen to it through different ears. I wonder how they fell out so quickly and how they were unable to reconcile.
Yeah man.. that's pretty crazy that Jeff was so intricate in the formation of his sound in his prime and then his first disappointment was Encore and Jeff wasn't on that album. That says a lot and proves Jeff deserves a lot of credit.
Jeff mentioned there were moments in Encore he thought were brilliant and that if he had been working with Em he would of brought out more of that. A better interviewer wouldn't have cut him off there and would of maybe asked for those specific moments and what he could have done more. I loved hearing Jeff's impressions of the failed Encore album. Very insightful and with the interviewer would have shut the fucc up.
There were other contributing factors. You could even say the second D-12 album was the first time Em showed signs of falling off. You could say that it was Proof dying, was the reason Em wasn't the same on Encore.
...not sure I really bought the "drug use" argument. I mean, that stuff does start to wear on a person with age (see Kurupt) but Em was always doing drugs I mean how can you say it was okay in his prime and then suddenly not okay??
I blame it on age, and mostly on the fact that when 8 Mile project dropped Em had achieved all that anyone could ever achieve in the music industry without being murdered like Pac--there was nothing more for him to do. There was nowhere for him to go but down.
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Dre had the best beats on there. Also you're forgetting about Kon Artis.
Yeah sure, Dre is Dre and Kon Artis was really putting in great work in those years. But it's clear that it was Jeff Bass that really carried the bulk of Eminem's work. Dre is good at coming in and providing those bangers or polishing off, mixing, sequencing. But you need a guy like Jeff who is a true musician with no ego, who can be in there day in and day out filling in all the blanks.
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another banger from jeff bass (i'm sure its an eminem or d12 leftover beat)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntKglqe3pB0
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another banger from jeff bass (i'm sure its an eminem or d12 leftover beat)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntKglqe3pB0
Dope.
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Generally dre's work with Eminem centred around the commercial singles and wasn't really the nuts and bolts of Eminem as an artist per se, particular in the earlier part of his career. This was an obvious way for Eminem to gauge a wider audience initially with the dre tag to gain that initial momentum. The artistic songs were generally the work he did with bass brothers. Of course they were exceptions i.e. guilty conscience which were artistic in how they were conceptualised.
Obviously the entirety of relapse was pretty much dre but i wouldn't say that's the work Eminem would be remembered for.
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Generally dre's work with Eminem centred around the commercial singles and wasn't really the nuts and bolts of Eminem as an artist per se, particular in the earlier part of his career. This was an obvious way for Eminem to gauge a wider audience initially with the dre tag to gain that initial momentum. The artistic songs were generally the work he did with bass brothers. Of course they were exceptions i.e. guilty conscience which were artistic in how they were conceptualised.
Obviously the entirety of relapse was pretty much dre but i wouldn't say that's the work Eminem would be remembered for.
very nice review bro'..
as you said dre's main role was to produce catchy "pop" hits you can play on the radio. but songs that eminem feels more comfortable and goes personal always produced by jeff bass. with dre eminem gained fans from every type of people, even your parents or your dumb ass friends who has no idea about hiphop... but with jeff bass, we had chance to know who eminem really is and became a real fan of his music.
the best song on relapse was beautiful :) and it was produced by jeff bass... only dre track on the album that will be remembered i think is "deja vu"... i like the album actually but it's really outdated. also it's not eminem's type of music. i love the beat of "bagpipes from bagdad", its a monster really but eminem even couldnt know how to go for that type of beat and wasted it with maria carey issue. dre and eminem always had an average musical chemistry. thats why relapse was going to fail without a doubt.
today eminem has good chemistry with luis resto. lately eminem takes beats from different new generation hiphop producers and co-produce them with luis and "eminemize" them :) according to kamikaze and mtbmb, we can say it really works... he doesn't need dre at all, neither paak nor kendrick.
that's a big fail for dre today...
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as you said dre's main role was to produce catchy "pop" hits you can play on the radio.
Only "pop" hit Dre had on Em's first two albums is "The Real Slim Shady".
:snoop:
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"my name is" was also a pop single from his first two albums and both of them songs were the "biggest" records from said albums.
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As his career went on the work between them both involved songs outside of popular culture. I just wish they did more songs like role model from the first album, just stripped down production with Eminem just being an MC. The production on relapse was massively wasted in my opinion, but I think this was just dre giving Eminem a consistent environment to work in whilst going through his troubles at that particular time.
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Only "pop" hit Dre had on Em's first two albums is "The Real Slim Shady".
:snoop:
my name is, role model, just lose it... all were pop-radio friendly tracks.
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my name is, role model, just lose it... all were pop-radio friendly tracks.
"Role Model" is definitely not a pop song. "My Name Is" doesn't sound like a pop song neither, but that's what it became though. How old are you?
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"Role Model" is definitely not a pop song. "My Name Is" doesn't sound like a pop song neither, but that's what it became though. How old are you?
what i mean with "pop" is popular culture... you might know that there is no genre called "pop music"... today's pop music is trap for example.
i don't understand what this has got to do with my age by the way? i didn't get it.
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what i mean with "pop" is popular culture... you might know that there is no genre called "pop music"... today's pop music is trap for example.
i don't understand what this has got to do with my age by the way? i didn't get it.
I'm wondering if you witnessed Eminem putting out that song.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music
Although much of the music that appears on record charts is seen as pop music, the genre is distinguished from chart music. Identifying factors usually include repeated choruses and hooks, short to medium-length songs written in a basic format (often the verse-chorus structure), and rhythms or tempos that can be easily danced to. Much pop music also borrows elements from other styles such as rock, urban, dance, Latin, and country.
When I think of pop music it's something similar to rock music.
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"Role Model" is definitely not a pop song. "My Name Is" doesn't sound like a pop song neither, but that's what it became though. How old are you?
my name is sounds like a pop song to me… just lose it as well
role model wasnt tho
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I'm wondering if you witnessed Eminem putting out that song.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_music
Although much of the music that appears on record charts is seen as pop music, the genre is distinguished from chart music. Identifying factors usually include repeated choruses and hooks, short to medium-length songs written in a basic format (often the verse-chorus structure), and rhythms or tempos that can be easily danced to. Much pop music also borrows elements from other styles such as rock, urban, dance, Latin, and country.
When I think of pop music it's something similar to rock music.
dude, pop music is popular music. it is what it is... today trap and melodic rap is pop. it was rock before for example. anyway what i'm trying to say is clear actually, dre's role was producing radio friendly songs which will mean something to "every type of listeners" which will be a part of popular culture. jeff bass and eminem were doing their own/independent music, which i can even call indie rap, which forms the common taste of eminem's music. it has the same similarity with johnny j and pac...
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Eminem had already "made" slim shady lp before dre came along this album was finished. Dre came along and produced three songs with the intention of giving him the crossover/mass appeal, artistically that album was made by bass brothers
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Eminem had already "made" slim shady lp before dre came along this album was finished. Dre came along and produced three songs with the intention of giving him the crossover/mass appeal, artistically that album was made by bass brothers
Yes, most definitely and that’s why Bass brothers deserve all the props in the world for their work in those days.
I wish the interviewer would have asked about their dealings with Dre. Because it seems Dre respected their work enough to leave it on all of Eminem’s classics but he never actually collaborated with them in studio (other than maybe mixing or sequencing their already made work). But other Em affiliates like Kon Artis it seemed actually spent time with Dre in studio.
I could be wrong but it would have just been nice to hear that question asked. What was it like meeting Dre? Did you guys ever work with him in studio? It seemed he left your tracks on all those albums, so you must have gotten Dre’s stamp of approval, how did that feel?
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Yes, most definitely and that’s why Bass brothers deserve all the props in the world for their work in those days.
I wish the interviewer would have asked about their dealings with Dre. Because it seems Dre respected their work enough to leave it on all of Eminem’s classics but he never actually collaborated with them in studio (other than maybe mixing or sequencing their already made work). But other Em affiliates like Kon Artis it seemed actually spent time with Dre in studio.
I could be wrong but it would have just been nice to hear that question asked. What was it like meeting Dre? Did you guys ever work with him in studio? It seemed he left your tracks on all those albums, so you must have gotten Dre’s stamp of approval, how did that feel?
i think they spend some time in studio together... scott storch said that he helped finishing "97 bonnie and clyde" song with dre. also dj head said he learned a few things from dre in studio..
by the way it was jeff bass and eminem only, it was jeff bass, dj head and eminem. dj head should be mentioned. he did whole drum programmings on jeff bass/eminem productions.
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another underrated/rarely known FBT production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky81zu0-xUU
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another underrated/rarely known FBT production.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ky81zu0-xUU
king gordy
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king gordy
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yo sccit, if you haven't listen to "Entity" and "Cobain's Diary" albums of King Gordy, you better check them out.
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yo sccit, if you haven't listen to "Entity" and "Cobain's Diary" albums of King Gordy, you better check them out.
i have them on cd
i was in a horrorcore group bruh lol .. king gordy is a detroit staple of that genre along with esham and d12
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i have them on cd
i was in a horrorcore group bruh lol .. king gordy is a detroit staple of that genre along with esham and d12
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oh cool. he is really underrated.