West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: King Tech Quadafi on March 06, 2003, 06:06:21 PM
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Alot of times, I see people on this board claim that Muslims are causing problems all over the world. If only they realized that Muslims are being persecuted all over the world. One example is the disputed territory of Kashmir.
In 1947 when India and Pakistan were separated (PARTITION), the focus was on Kashmir because it was the ONLY Muslim majority province in India. The Governer of Kashmir province at the time of partition was a Hindu Maharajah. The people of Kashmir wanted to form a part of the newly created Islamic state of Pakistan. However, the Hindu leader handed Kashmir over to India.
The United Nations has called for a plesbicite (election to determine self determination) in Kashmir repeatedly. India has spurned such offers, declaring Kashmir an internal matter.
Pakistan isnt innocent however. They have pushed this view that the Kashmiris (who are majority Muslim) want to become part of Pakistan solely based on religious affiliation. They support an election in Kashmir with ONLY 2 alternatives: Pakistan or India. There is a huge movement in Kashmir that seeks independance.
The Pakistanis, Indians and Islamic groups (such as Al Qaeda and Pakistani funded militias) have all used the Kashmiri cause. Inevitably, the rights of the Kashmiri people have been trampeled on.
30,000 Kashmiris have been killed in their struggle for self determination.
When the Chechens, Palestinians or Kashmiris seek independance, they are ignored. When the East Timorese for example (a Christian ethnic group seeking independance from a Muslim nation) seek independance, the United Nations rallies around them.
Next Week: Chechnya
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That was beautiful. Can't wait for next week! And look at how America became America. By winning it's independance from Britian. And what was their major point of grievance, "no taxation without representation". The oppression they recieved drastically pales in comparison to what Kashmir has faced.
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Oh goodness...to all that don't know Im a Kashmiri Hindu...and we're the ones that are fucked in this whole process...but don't sweat it gimme a couple days and Ill come back and drop sum knowledge to yall that dont know...ni da meantime don't be fooled by these terrorist-supporters^^ >:(
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yeah go search the internet and take out a couple of library books. fucking ignorant fuck doesnt even know his own history.
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yeah go search the internet and take out a couple of library books. fucking ignorant fuck doesnt even know his own history.
STFU U bearded bitch...I got a big midterm tomorrow get off my nuts..and for ur info ur "history" is very biased. ::)
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are you an idiot? are u so consumed with hate for me, that you cannot realize actually histocal occurances?
go do your midterm, then search the internet and attempt to disprove what i wrote. I know youre shocked, most Indians are when their brainwashed ass realizes how much fault Inida holds in this Kashhmir mess
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are you an idiot? are u so consumed with hate for me, that you cannot realize actually histocal occurances?
go do your midterm, then search the internet and attempt to disprove what i wrote. I know youre shocked, most Indians are when their brainwashed ass realizes how much fault Inida holds in this Kashhmir mess
Look fool I know India has done wrong and so has Pakistan...In reality I think Kashmir should be autonomous...but greedy pakistan won't let that happen...like they didnt when India was partitioned...dont forget at first KASHMIR WAS UNDECIDED and coulda been independent if not for Pakistan attacking em. Also I don't recall major terrorism until like 1988-89...what was happening then? Muslims were being suppressed ::) shit man my dad grew up in Kashmir and back in da day hindus n muslims were peaceful and shit was coo until dat Pakistan propaganda and terrorist support started...ur a faggot for putting India down instead of Pakistan..so what if we have done a couple wrong things...why don't u show everyone what PAKISTAN has done...u punk ass terrorist lovin bastard.
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You stupid moron, can you read? Do you not realize that I have condemned Pakistan for twisting the Kashmir issue for their own cause? Did you not read when I mentioned the Pakistani backed military groups that have tarnished the image of Kashmiri Independance? Exactly what is your argument here?
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You stupid moron, can you read? Do you not realize that I have condemned Pakistan for twisting the Kashmir issue for their own cause? Did you not read when I mentioned the Pakistani backed military groups that have tarnished the image of Kashmiri Independance? Exactly what is your argument here?
Oh my bad it was late night and I missed that small condemnation of Pakistan "Pakistan isnt innocnent however..." but watever man the sole fact that Pakistan supports terrorism shows that they are just wimps and coward evil bastards
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You stupid moron, can you read? Do you not realize that I have condemned Pakistan for twisting the Kashmir issue for their own cause? Did you not read when I mentioned the Pakistani backed military groups that have tarnished the image of Kashmiri Independance? Exactly what is your argument here?
I am not "arguing" anything MR. Debate club nerd...im jus D-E-F-E-N-D-I-N-G myself cuz U suggested that my "brainwashed ass" was "shocked" of the "fault India has in this whole mess"...I know that ....but don't forget Pakistan has majority of the fault. But if U do, just go to ur terrorist camp and shave dat damn faghan beard...PeAcE. lol
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nice attempt by the faghan...but you sound like my old sociology professor...wich is way too stubborn and one sided.
and LMFAO at some of raqquakes comments
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I dont understand what u got worked up about quake. When I read that post it seemed like tech was saying both india and pakistan were to blame but kashmir should be an independant state. I didnt notice anything inflammitory but not being from the region i understand some things you might find offensive that others cant even see
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i think PAkistan is more pricky on land issues than India, they are jeaulous of us Indians. Fuck that son of a bitch Jinnah who started with seperation and fuck these pakistani haters...some of them are coo, but the haters are really fucked in the head. Its not our fault that PAkistan has cheap land and mineral resources, they only got natural gas..lol...its not our fault that they have a fucked up society, its fukin them who supported Mohammed Jinnah for partition, so let them suffer, India aint gonna give them Kashmir. Losers lol.
I agree with quake on this one.
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i see, coincidentally, your comments were just as incoherent.
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i see, coincidentally, your comments were just as incoherent.
See...this is why the Faghan never shaves his beard... hes exrtemely close minded...
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quake stfu fucking apu squishy selling.. elephant .. . so on so on etc etc.. u got some deep obsession for terrorists and muslims
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quake stfu fucking apu squishy selling.. elephant .. . so on so on etc etc.. u got some deep obsession for terrorists and muslims
U got the most pitiful post on this thread...39 posts of BS. ur lucky Seer doesnt come here often...maybe he should get a anonymous tip soon... ::)
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i see, coincidentally, your comments were just as incoherent.
See...this is why the Faghan never shaves his beard... hes exrtemely close minded...
lol
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Ok my take on this issue...
Like I said I am a Kashmiri hindu...and of all the problems and neglections in the Kashmir...we're the biggest one.
The kashmir problem goes way back, to the partition between India and Kashmir- all the individual states in the India-Pakistan region were given a choice to team up with India or Pakistan, when the whole are was freed from british rule...the Hindu king of Kashmir did not want to give up his soverignity...naturally. See he was in charge of a multi-racial state...the Northern/northwestern portion was Kashmir...mostly muslim...the northeastern part was called Laddakh and was mostly budhist...and the southern part was Jammu, a hindu area. Now he was thinking in da best interest of ALL his ppl when he decided to be independant...see it would suck for the muslims, sikhs, and hindus in the area if he joined up with Pakistan, a MUSLIM STATE. So he decides to be independant, wisely, and greedy Pakistan declares war on his state, and sends troops quickly. Now this is a weak state, so he goes to India for help, but the cunning president of India at da time, Nehru, told him to sign a document to join India in return for India protecting it from Pakistan...and it was done.
Personally I think India is a better choice than Pakistan cuz its a democratic country and, at least OFFICIALLY, Hindus don't have more power or favoribility than other races, its just like America in that way...contrary to Pakistan. So anyway he teams up with India and India whoops pakistans ass! Pakistan declares war on India 3 times and loses badly all the times. Then the UN declared India has to give a portion of Kashmir to Pakistan and officially that portion belongs to Pakistan now, even though India claims it and considers it theirs. Also Pakistan considers the whole state of Jammu and Kashmir theirs too...unofficially.
Ok this whole situation is fucked up, and recently has gotten much worse. In 1989 all the hindus either got killed or got kicked out of Kashmir, including my family there...I got a house there in Kashmir too but no1 knows wat happened to it...basically what happendi n 1989 was that Pakistan supported terrorists took over the area started causing mayhem, and brainwashing and all dat ish...and there was this big movement wid em terrorists and their supporters telling all hindus to fuck off. Pretty messed up .......a lot of us were killed then..and since then in Kashmir terrorists have killed Hindus, muslims, sikhs, etc etc...its a messed up situation and Pakistan is fucked up for sponsoring them. But if you can't fight fair, you would logically fight dirty and try to bring down ur enemy, for Pakistan the enemy is India.
Why does Pakistan want Kashmir? Cuz its a major tourist attraction. its called the "Indian Switzerland" for a good reason. Currently tourism is down cuz of da terrorissm...pakistan is happy...cuz da money would instead goto India...but Pakistan, like immortal tech said, doesnt have many resources of its own and wants this big cash itself, just based on tha fact that most of the region is muslim.
Personally I, and a lot of people in the state, including some terrorist organizations, want Kashmir to be independant. Not only is it the best for it ppl in it, its the only solution to this mess, if only Pakistan doesnt fuck with it. I think India should declare Kashmir its protected state or something, but obviously even India doesnt want to let it go. Basically its a big political mess, and the people of Kashmir, be it Muslims or Hindus/ Buddhists or Sikhs, are paying the huge cost in terms of a shitty standard of living, fear, and death toll. And there is no easy solution in sight either. This is a true mess. FUCK PAKISTAN!!! ;)
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Ok my take on this issue...
Like I said I am a Kashmiri hindu...and of all the problems and neglections in the Kashmir...we're the biggest one.
The kashmir problem goes way back, to the partition between India and Kashmir- all the individual states in the India-Pakistan region were given a choice to team up with India or Pakistan, when the whole are was freed from british rule...the Hindu king of Kashmir did not want to give up his soverignity...naturally. See he was in charge of a multi-racial state...the Northern/northwestern portion was Kashmir...mostly muslim...the northeastern part was called Laddakh and was mostly budhist...and the southern part was Jammu, a hindu area. Now he was thinking in da best interest of ALL his ppl when he decided to be independant...see it would suck for the muslims, sikhs, and hindus in the area if he joined up with Pakistan, a MUSLIM STATE. So he decides to be independant, wisely, and greedy Pakistan declares war on his state, and sends troops quickly. Now this is a weak state, so he goes to India for help, but the cunning president of India at da time, Nehru, told him to sign a document to join India in return for India protecting it from Pakistan...and it was done.
Personally I think India is a better choice than Pakistan cuz its a democratic country and, at least OFFICIALLY, Hindus don't have more power or favoribility than other races, its just like America in that way...contrary to Pakistan. So anyway he teams up with India and India whoops pakistans ass! Pakistan declares war on India 3 times and loses badly all the times. Then the UN declared India has to give a portion of Kashmir to Pakistan and officially that portion belongs to Pakistan now, even though India claims it and considers it theirs. Also Pakistan considers the whole state of Jammu and Kashmir theirs too...unofficially.
Ok this whole situation is fucked up, and recently has gotten much worse. In 1989 all the hindus either got killed or got kicked out of Kashmir, including my family there...I got a house there in Kashmir too but no1 knows wat happened to it...basically what happendi n 1989 was that Pakistan supported terrorists took over the area started causing mayhem, and brainwashing and all dat ish...and there was this big movement wid em terrorists and their supporters telling all hindus to fuck off. Pretty messed up .......a lot of us were killed then..and since then in Kashmir terrorists have killed Hindus, muslims, sikhs, etc etc...its a messed up situation and Pakistan is fucked up for sponsoring them. But if you can't fight fair, you would logically fight dirty and try to bring down ur enemy, for Pakistan the enemy is India.
Why does Pakistan want Kashmir? Cuz its a major tourist attraction. its called the "Indian Switzerland" for a good reason. Currently tourism is down cuz of da terrorissm...pakistan is happy...cuz da money would instead goto India...but Pakistan, like immortal tech said, doesnt have many resources of its own and wants this big cash itself, just based on tha fact that most of the region is muslim.
Personally I, and a lot of people in the state, including some terrorist organizations, want Kashmir to be independant. Not only is it the best for it ppl in it, its the only solution to this mess, if only Pakistan doesnt fuck with it. I think India should declare Kashmir its protected state or something, but obviously even India doesnt want to let it go. Basically its a big political mess, and the people of Kashmir, be it Muslims or Hindus/ Buddhists or Sikhs, are paying the huge cost in terms of a shitty standard of living, fear, and death toll. And there is no easy solution in sight either. This is a true mess. FUCK PAKISTAN!!! ;)
Quakes on point, the fact is Kashmir is better off with India. Like quake said, its a friekin democrasy, we dont discriminate, are more openminded and secular. Look at the state of pakistan and its goverment right now. The mind state of the people, the whole reason pakistan was made in the first place. Or just let Kashmir be indipendant, i dunno.
Tech, im cool with you and all, but I really dont think the muslims of Pakistan are opressed here lol.
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