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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: topdogg187 on August 18, 2002, 07:48:18 PM
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which classic do y'all prefer? i think that R2D is a better album the illmatic is and biggie is a better rapper then nas. IMO biggies album is a really dope album top 5 of all time because biggie shows off his lyrical skills and paints perfect pictures in ur mind of what he was goin through and uu can see that on songs such as warning, things done changed, but then he comes right back and hits you wit upbeat songs liek juicy and big poppa, i just love the diversity of the album. Illmatic is an undeniable classic butt lacks the diversity to the album and nas' flow is no match for biggies, so all in all Ready To Die beats Illmatic hands down IMO.
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illmatic, and im sure most of the board agrees, this is nas board bassicly, lol
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illmatic, and im sure most of the board agrees, this is nas board bassicly, lol
i dunno why, he ain't even that great IMO, well at least not as good as biggie.
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i go wit Biggie Smalls!
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ImO...
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"Ready to Die"
1. Intro
2. Things Done Changed
3. Gimme The Loot
4. Machine Gun Funk
5. Warning
6. Ready To Die
7. One More Chance
8. #!*@ Me (Interlude)
9. The What
10. Juicy
11. Everyday Struggle
12. Me & My Bitch
13. Big Poppa
14. Respect
15. Friend Of Mine
16. Unbelieveable
17. Suicidal Thoughts
Will Swallow "Illmatic alive.......check it out side by side.
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"Illmatic"
1. The Genesis
2. N.Y. State Of Mind
3. Life's A Bitch
4. The World Is Yours
5. Halftime
6. Memory Lane (Sittin' In Da Park)
7. One Love
8. One Time 4 Your Mind
9. Represent
10. It Ain't Hard To Tell
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Like I've said in the post before this one....IMO
When you stack them up Track for track....Biggie has "Illmatic" shutdown.
Try it yourself......track for track.
Look for Banger's (Club hitz)
Story telling
Heartfelt ish...
Crazy wild out tracks...
tossin' hoes.....
a well rounded Lp....Ready to die.
"Illmatic" can't stand up to "Ready to die"
And I belive time will tell that.
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...citamllI
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illmatic is a good album...i cant say its not...but its very overrated...everyone follows the hype of the source and others who believe illmatic is the best album ever....though they wont admit it....if u think about it...ready 2 die is much more memorable than illmatic...really illmatic couldve never exsisted and i wouldnt have cared or noticed a difference....many people state that raedy 2 die influenced them...if that album wasnt around i could notice a difference...now neither biggie or nas are goats...sure biggie is a big staple in the rap game but nas...hes just another face...he will be left in the shadows kinda like mc shan....
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Ready to Die
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ILLMATIC
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"Illmatic". I feel it's possibly the nearest album to hip-hop perfection, ever. It had the content, the beats, the rhymes, it's just amazing. It's classic in every sense of the word.
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ImO...
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"Ready to Die"
^^^^WORD to yo motha !!! ;D
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ready to die is way better... i dont even care for illmatic that much
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illmatic
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Ready to Die
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Ready 2 Die is waaaay better than Illmatic, waaaay better!!!
"I sit back n´ look, when i used to be a crook, doin whatever it took, from snatching chains to pocket-books"
Classic line...
Peace
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illmatic, and im sure most of the board agrees, this is nas board bassicly, lol
Ha ha ha LOL
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Ha ha ha LOL
lol
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illmatic
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I prefer Illmatic.
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Niether album is waaaay than the other, both are classic first albums from two of the greatest ever. Illmatic is a tighter album, all nine songs are excellent (and a better intro), no filler whatsoever. Ready To Die is probably more diverse but the skits are pointless and slow things down. The guest spots on both albums are tight (AZ and Method Man) both are classic duets. You can analize these two albums forever.
Verdict: Illmatic
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its all preference. Lyrically no1 is fuckin wit these 2 albums. Procuction wise if u like grimy street shit, illmatic is 4 u. if u like suptin a lil more mainstream ready 2 die is your album. both saved tha east coast
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illmatic. i can't stand more than half of those mainstream beats on ready to die.
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illmatic. i can't stand more than half of those mainstream beats on ready to die.
this is B.S man, cause READY TO DIE gotz more grimmy shit than Illmatic , first and for all cause it had more trackz, and mos def more than 9 grimmy trackz....1.thingz done changed
2.gimme the loot
3.machine gun funk
4.warning
5.ready to die
6.the what
7.me and my bitch
9.everyday strugle
10.suicidal thoughts
11.unbelieveable
u already got here more than 9 grimmy tracks.
so there must be another reason why u like Illmatic better.
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this is B.S man, cause READY TO DIE gotz more grimmy shit than Illmatic , first and for all cause it had more trackz, and mos def more than 9 grimmy trackz....1.thingz done changed
2.gimme the loot
3.machine gun funk
4.warning
5.ready to die
6.the what
7.me and my bitch
9.everyday strugle
10.suicidal thoughts
11.unbelieveable
u already got here more than 9 grimmy tracks.
so there must be another reason why u like Illmatic better.
lol. i like the beats more, nas spits better lyrics, theres no filler, and he raps about different shit than just your average "i bust gats and sell drugs"
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Easy-Mo-Bee´s beats on R2D are fukkin´ untouchable!!!
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and he raps about different shit than just your average "i bust gats and sell drugs"
man, Im really sorry if this is all what you got from "ready to die", I think u near entirelly missed the point of the album if u think all of what BIG consists is "I bust gats and sell drugs"...
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man, Im really sorry if this is all what you got from "ready to die", I think u near entirelly missed the point of the album if u think all of what BIG consists is "I bust gats and sell drugs"...
he was talking about dying too. omg i wonder who he got that from!!! if you like the album so fucking much go listen to it and stop questioning me.
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he was talking about dying too. omg i wonder who he got that from!!! if you like the album so fucking much go listen to it and stop questioning me.
U cant deny talent & REAL good music - PUNKAZZZZZZZZZ
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i never said he wasn't good you idiot.
raise off his dick ho.
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lol. i like the beats more, nas spits better lyrics, theres no filler, and he raps about different shit than just your average "i bust gats and sell drugs"
Word. Good point. I find B.I.G's album to be too much about guns, killing, drugs, etc.
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lol. i like the beats more, nas spits better lyrics, theres no filler, and he raps about different shit than just your average "i bust gats and sell drugs"
Thats pretty much how I feel too. I mean I don't think anyone can deny the talent Biggie had but he never really broke any barriers with his subject matter, he never really talked about anything important, he didn't tackle any real issues, he was pretty much just a bling bling rapper if you ask me, only he was much better lyrically than anyone else at what he spoke about.
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I cant believe you cats. Yall saying these albums shit on one another. Neither of these albums shits on the other. They are extremely close, as both are two great classics.
My personal preference: Illmatic
why?? Because you cant beat 40 minutes of near perfection.
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i never said he wasn't good you idiot.
raise off his dick ho.
U mean he´s good, but the shit he raps about is nothing but garbage??? But u like the way he flow because u said he was good, right??? Exactly! u cant deny good music (note: MUSIC, not the lyrics) then if u like the beats, u have to call it a classic, cuz u like the flow and the beats. I mean Snoop didnt rap about nothing special on Doggystyle, just rymes over even better rymes with a flow that was untouchable, i didnt pay attention to what he was talking about from the beginning, just the guns n the gats & the hoez, i dont find that enjoying, but i sure do call the album a classic U FUKKIN IDIOT!!!!!!!
Peace
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U mean he´s good, but the shit he raps about is nothing but garbage??? But u like the way he flow because u said he was good, right??? Exactly! u cant deny good music (note: MUSIC, not the lyrics) then if u like the beats, u have to call it a classic, cuz u like the flow and the beats. I mean Snoop didnt rap about nothing special on Doggystyle, just rymes over even better rymes with a flow that was untouchable, i didnt pay attention to what he was talking about from the beginning, just the guns n the gats & the hoez, i dont find that enjoying, but i sure do call the album a classic U FUKKIN IDIOT!!!!!!!
Peace
i just think its nonsense considering he didn't have to live that lifestyle. not to mention he didn't spit the criminology half as good as kool g rap or anyone who came before him who helped to mold the style. how can i argue with someone that doesn't even pay attention to lyrics? do you just listen to rap albums for the beats? also when did i ever say ready 2 die wasn't classic? yeah, i never did you moron. big was a good lyricist but i never thought he was that amazing.....
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i just think its nonsense considering he didn't have to live that lifestyle. not to mention he didn't spit the criminology half as good as kool g rap or anyone who came before him who helped to mold the style. how can i argue with someone that doesn't even pay attention to lyrics? do you just listen to rap albums for the beats? also when did i ever say ready 2 die wasn't classic? yeah, i never did you moron. big was a good lyricist but i never thought he was that amazing.....
Look what i wrote ^^^ i said Doggystyle included lyrics that were rymez over rymez, no story´s (except Lodi Dodi & few more) but he´s flow was untouchable ya know, but i concider listen 2 mc like biggie who has very dope & smart rymez feel me? And yeah if the beat is good but the rapper doesnt do that well i still think its a good song. So I DO pay attention to lyrics and I DO pay attention to beats!
Beeeyaeeeyayeatch!!!!!!!!
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he was talking about dying too. omg i wonder who he got that from!!! if you like the album so fucking much go listen to it and stop questioning me.
yea,u bet I like the album so fuckin much, and be sure I listen to it every fucking day....this album is prolly one of the 3 best lyrical albums ever....
first and for all, one of the most ignorant things is to dismiss albums cause of certain topical details...so what if GUNz, drugs and death are parts of the topics he adresses- don't u think it's kinda childish and closed minded to dislike an album due to it's topical components?- I believe that it's the artist's right to decide whatever topics he likes to adress, what I demand is proper Lyrical structuring that lets the listener into whatever tha rapper chooses to talk about, the topics shouldn't be the reason why you like certain songs and albums(when a rapper uses a certain topical hints to get listeners-it's called a gimmick), the reason should be the rapper's abillity to tell it right, and at this- BIG will forever remain a master...
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now even if I was stupid enough to take your coment seriously,- are you saying NAS didn't talk about drugz death and gatz on Illmatic?!-PLeeeeZ...
not that it has something to do with anythang :)
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Look what i wrote ^^^ i said Doggystyle included lyrics that were rymez over rymez, no story´s (except Lodi Dodi & few more) but he´s flow was untouchable ya know, but i concider listen 2 mc like biggie who has very dope & smart rymez feel me? And yeah if the beat is good but the rapper doesnt do that well i still think its a good song. So I DO pay attention to lyrics and I DO pay attention to beats!
Beeeyaeeeyayeatch!!!!!!!!
"i didnt pay attention to what he was talking about from the beginning" yeah your real smart. fuckin hypocrite. take your Beeeyaeeeyayeatch!!!!!!!! somewhere else and get an education.
yea,u bet I like the album so fuckin much, and be sure I listen to it every fucking day....this album is prolly one of the 3 best lyrical albums ever....
first and for all, one of the most ignorant things is to dismiss albums cause of certain topical details...so what if GUNz, drugs and death are parts of the topics he adresses- don't u think it's kinda childish and closed minded to dislike an album due to it's topical components?- I believe that it's the artist's right to decide whatever topics he likes to adress, what I demand is proper Lyrical structuring that lets the listener into whatever tha rapper chooses to talk about, the topics shouldn't be the reason why you like certain songs and albums(when a rapper uses a certain topical hints to get listeners-it's called a gimmick), the reason should be the rapper's abillity to tell it right, and at this- BIG will forever remain a master...
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now even if I was stupid enough to take your coment seriously,- are you saying NAS didn't talk about drugz death and gatz on Illmatic?!-PLeeeeZ...
not that it has something to do with anythang
i'm not being ignorant because I OWN THE FUCKIN ALBUM.
i can't stand when a rapper has nothing better to do than rap about the same thing on every single track constantly. it shows no versatility whatsoever and it gets very boring. biggie may have been good at rapping in the style he chose but he certainly wasn't the best.
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i'm not being ignorant because I OWN THE FUCKIN ALBUM.
i can't stand when a rapper has nothing better to do than rap about the same thing on every single track constantly. it shows no versatility whatsoever and it gets very boring. biggie may have been good at rapping in the style he chose but he certainly wasn't the best.
BIG was a master of storytelling which btw is probablly the most challenging and skill requiring lyrical craft in rap...NAS was\is nowhere near Biggie when it comes to storytelling ...
and by saying he talked about the same thing on all of the tracks u Just prove my point from the previous post.
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BIG was a master of storytelling which btw is probablly the most challenging and skill requiring lyrical craft in rap...NAS was\is nowhere near Biggie when it comes to storytelling ...
and by saying he talked about the same thing on all of the tracks u Just prove my point from the previous post.
isn't it obvious that your argument is no longer valid when you go from talking about his album to his story telling skills? might i add that i didn't even mention? since when could biggie even fuck with slick rick or g rap in the story telling department anyway? you can't call someone a "master" unless they're the best. tell me a track on ready to die where he doesn't talk about the same thing. you can't can you? even half of the people at sohh said the album was boring.
now please stop talking circles around yourself.
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BIG was a master of storytelling which btw is probablly the most challenging and skill requiring lyrical craft in rap...NAS was\is nowhere near Biggie when it comes to storytelling ...
In most cases comparing Nas & Biggie's storytelling skills i'd prolly agree with you, but I don't think i've heard Biggie tell a better story than Nas' "I Gave You Power". Nas hasn't told a story like that since he released IWW but thats just my opinion.
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isn't it obvious that your argument is no longer valid when you go from talking about his album to his story telling skills? might i add that i didn't even mention? since when could biggie even fuck with slick rick or g rap in the story telling department anyway? you can't call someone a "master" unless they're the best. tell me a track on ready to die where he doesn't talk about the same thing. you can't can you? even half of the people at sohh said the album was boring.
now please stop talking circles around yourself.
Fuck wit? Man Biggie is thee best storyteller EVER in many people's opinions, and my personal favorite...he basiclly brought storytelling to a new level- u could almost touch wit yo hands tha shit he was describing(not even mentioning the way he could present his own subjective thoughts throughout his tailz), without his topic pick making any diffrence....he could go from telling u a tragic ballad of his Woman being killed to a description of a robbery wit equall skill...the things he chose to talk about were all supremely painted and beautifully trasnfromed to 3-dimentional pictures in yo head(Unless something there is missing ..:))
I don't care what lil fuck heads at sohh are saying, if anyone claims "R2D" was boring he has no idea what RAP\hiphop is about....
if anyone is taking sircles around himself it's u, cause u went from dismissing "r2d" compared to Illmatic by saying Illmatic had more grimmy beats(had nothing to do with lyrics) and after I proved you wrong you went to- underrating BIGz storytelling skillz and BSing about the topicz he perfectlly presented on the album...it's clear u are simply trying to digg as many negative ways to look at the album as u can( and since u can't virtually do that, U keep on trying to prove something u simply can't prove).
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In most cases comparing Nas & Biggie's storytelling skills i'd prolly agree with you, but I don't think i've heard Biggie tell a better story than Nas' "I Gave You Power".
so If u think NAS told a better story than BIG could ever tell(with what I don't agree since Big'z storytelling was on a whole differend level. Nothin a unic yet jacked concept could touch), why did u say you'd prolly agree with me?!...
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Illmatic, quite handily i might add.
time already told, when people talk about the greatest album, it's Illmatic.
Everyday Struggle is grimey? we have a different definition of grimey then man.
if you're gonna get into storytelling and criticize Nas for a "jacked concept" that's just foolish. how do you give someone more credit for just straight telling a story than someone who put a twist on it... especially something as good as "I Gave You Power".
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Fuck wit? Man Biggie is thee best storyteller EVER in many people's opinions, and my personal favorite...he basiclly brought storytelling to a new level- u could almost touch wit yo hands tha shit he was describing(not even mentioning the way he could present his own subjective thoughts throughout his tailz), without his topic pick making any diffrence....he could go from telling u a tragic ballad of his Woman being killed to a description of a robbery wit equall skill...the things he chose to talk about were all supremely painted and beautifully trasnfromed to 3-dimentional pictures in yo head(Unless something there is missing ..:))
I don't care what lil fuck heads at sohh are saying, if anyone claims "R2D" was boring he has no idea what RAP\hiphop is about....
if anyone is taking sircles around himself it's u, cause u went from dismissing "r2d" compared to Illmatic by saying Illmatic had more grimmy beats(had nothing to do with lyrics) and after I proved you wrong you went to- underrating BIGz storytelling skillz and BSing about the topicz he perfectlly presented on the album...it's clear u are simply trying to digg as many negative ways to look at the album as u can( and since u can't virtually do that, U keep on trying to prove something u simply can't prove).
who in the hell were you asking? because NO ONE absolutely No ONE has ever been able to tell a better story better than slick rick or paint a more vivid picture than kool g rap. i'm not picking my favorite like your ass. i'm picking THE BEST. you just proved my point that biggie talked about the same things because you didn't name any tracks that he could've(wouldn't of found any) been rapping about something different and plus you said "he could go from telling u a tragic ballad of his Woman being killed to a description of a robbery wit equall skill" which basically proved my point even further. you call sohh "lil fuck heads" but yet they are more diverse to what they listen to and they certainly know alot more about hiphop than your ass. not to mention they love eastcoast music with a passion. therefore its not just a random person who hates eastcoast artists. i said illmatic had more grimey beats because tom said you either love the grimey beats on illmatic or the more mainstream beats on ready to die. really how stupid are you? your trying to say you proved me wrong but yet jay d agrees with me.
you think i'm under rating his story telling skills because i said rick and g rap were better than him? please read slowly the next time you respond because i never said i didn't like him or that his story telling skills sucked. its funny to see you get all worked up because i said his album was too much about stupid shit and that he wasn't the best story teller.
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"i didnt pay attention to what he was talking about from the beginning" yeah your real smart. fuckin hypocrite. take your Beeeyaeeeyayeatch!!!!!!!! somewhere else and get an education.
Yeah, and that is because i´m Swedish (Not english talking)
And i bought the album at the age of 12, how the fuck could i know what he was rhyming about??? Hypocrite!!!??
You fukkin ignorant bitch azz, suck my diiiiiiiiiack!!
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Illmatic, quite handily i might add.
time already told, when people talk about the greatest album, it's Illmatic.
Everyday Struggle is grimey? we have a different definition of grimey then man.
I guess we do. as for "I gave u power" Ive already said be4 that the fact it's concept was jacked does not bother me, and Ive said be4 it was prolly one of the few real decent trackz on the garbagy IWW, Im not even critisizing, Im simply sayin Big'z storytelling was on a whole diffrend level...pay more atention while you reading...
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who in the hell were you asking? because NO ONE absolutely No ONE has ever been able to tell a better story better than slick rick or paint a more vivid picture than kool g rap. i'm not picking my favorite like your ass. i'm picking THE BEST. you just proved my point that biggie talked about the same things because you didn't name any tracks that he could've(wouldn't of found any) been rapping about something different and plus you said "he could go from telling u a tragic ballad of his Woman being killed to a description of a robbery wit equall skill" which basically proved my point even further. you call sohh "lil fuck heads" but yet they are more diverse to what they listen to and they certainly know alot more about hiphop than your ass. not to mention they love eastcoast music with a passion. therefore its not just a random person who hates eastcoast artists. i said illmatic had more grimey beats because tom said you either love the grimey beats on illmatic or the more mainstream beats on ready to die. really how stupid are you? your trying to say you proved me wrong but yet jay d agrees with me.
you think i'm under rating his story telling skills because i said rick and g rap were better than him? please read slowly the next time you respond because i never said i didn't like him or that his story telling skills sucked. its funny to see you get all worked up because i said his album was too much about stupid shit and that he wasn't the best story teller.
lollollol, you know what's real clear and vivid man?- That Im dealing here with a thick headed, childish idiot that just trying to get some atention, one that insists on coming back to the thread and making himself look like a fool time after time whith each new post....
ok now Im gonna do this real slow so you'll get what Im saying:
Topicz that rappers pick to discuss in their lyrics are strictlly their choice, what I(as a listener) demand from an artist is to know how to express whatever theme he pickz.
Now after you read the above paragraph you might understand better why your whole "he talks about the same thing on all of the tracks" is completely irelevant to me, and to tell you the truth , it seem like something u just spoke out yo ass so I decided to put it away on the previous post since I didn't want you to look the way Im gonna make u look now.
Im not the one who is getting worked up because you don't like a certain album, you were the one who snapped be4, sayin "if u like the album so fucking much go listen to it and stop questioning me"...
The fact that anyone agrees with you doesn't mean you are right, again showes how childish and dependent you are....
There is no way to pick the best since using the word "pick" already means it's your choice, thus, your opinion(your favorite). The way it looks to me no one ever came as Vivid and as multi dimentional at tha same time as BIG did with his stories.
It's funny how you try to ballance the BS you're saying with your "I never said I dont like him" while trashing a masterpiece of his at tha same time.
how did this prove your point: "he could go from telling u a tragic ballad of his Woman being killed to a description of a robbery wit equall skill" which basically proved my point even further"....
do you live in some special world where you're always right and every single sentence proves your point...or you'z just having hard time understanding what I type(this is very possible since I use alot of ebonics :))
I never said all the people at SOHH were lil fuck heads(speaking of reading slower ;)) I said that anyone who trashes this album doesn't know shit about hiphop and I refered to the group of people that said the album was boring.
you should just stop posting on this thread,I'm telling you this as an observer: you look like a fool man.
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so If u think NAS told a better story than BIG could ever tell(with what I don't agree since Big'z storytelling was on a whole differend level. Nothin a unic yet jacked concept could touch), why did u say you'd prolly agree with me?!...
No, no, no. What I mean is Biggie has never told a better story than what Nas did with "I Gave You Power" imo, BUT since Nas has never made such a powerful & graphic storytelling song as that since all the other storytelling tracks Biggie has made have been better than Nas'. But Nas isn't as far behind Biggie in general as you seem to think. If that makes sense to you, lol.
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No, no, no. What I mean is Biggie has never told a better story than what Nas did with "I Gave You Power" imo, BUT since Nas has never made such a powerful & graphic storytelling song as that since all the other storytelling tracks Biggie has made have been better than Nas'. But Nas isn't as far behind Biggie in general as you seem to think. If that makes sense to you, lol.
you'z right to some extant: NAS at his best can\could really bring it, yet I think BIGz storytelling skillz were far ahead...it wasn't just graphic when BIG did it, it had a number of levels, he also presented his subjective views on the story in such ways it seemed as if u were in his own head yourself, it was more than just a plain story it was more like a game whith your councience, it still gives me chillz when I listen to BIGz storytelling....he was simply a genius.
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lollollol, you know what's real clear and vivid man?- That Im dealing here with a thick headed, childish idiot that just trying to get some atention, one that insists on coming back to the thread and making himself look like a fool time after time whith each new post....
ok now Im gonna do this real slow so you'll get what Im saying:
Topicz that rappers pick to discuss in their lyrics are strictlly their choice, what I(as a listener) demand from an artist is to know how to express whatever theme he pickz.
Now after you read the above paragraph you might understand better why your whole "he talks about the same thing on all of the tracks" is completely irelevant to me, and to tell you the truth , it seem like something u just spoke out yo ass so I decided to put it away on the previous post since I didn't want you to look the way Im gonna make u look now.
Im not the one who is getting worked up because you don't like a certain album, you were the one who snapped be4, sayin "if u like the album so fucking much go listen to it and stop questioning me"...
The fact that anyone agrees with you doesn't mean you are right, again showes how childish and dependent you are....
There is no way to pick the best since using the word "pick" already means it's your choice, thus, your opinion(your favorite). The way it looks to me no one ever came as Vivid and as multi dimentional at tha same time as BIG did with his stories.
It's funny how you try to ballance the BS you're saying with your "I never said I dont like him" while trashing a masterpiece of his at tha same time.
how did this prove your point: "he could go from telling u a tragic ballad of his Woman being killed to a description of a robbery wit equall skill" which basically proved my point even further"....
do you live in some special world where you're always right and every single sentence proves your point...or you'z just having hard time understanding what I type(this is very possible since I use alot of ebonics :))
I never said all the people at SOHH were lil fuck heads(speaking of reading slower ;)) I said that anyone who trashes this album doesn't know shit about hiphop and I refered to the group of people that said the album was boring.
you should just stop posting on this thread,I'm telling you this as an observer: you look like a fool man.
yeah i'm an idiot but people are questioning you and not me?
notice how you said "i" as the listener? whatever you like in an artist may not be something i like. i would much rather hear about something important than stupid shit that biggie didn't even have to do because he had a GREAT LIFE.
how can i act like i like something when i don't?
i understand that you can't admit when your wrong.
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Yo I Geezy, Smartass is right, Slick Rick is easily the King Of Storytelling. I can say that without even liking his music.
Oh and to actually talk about the point of the thread, Illmatic is better. Songs like Lifes A Bitch & NY State Of Mind proves that. Theres alot of new cats to hip hop who hate on Illmatic when they hear it, but its definetely a contender for the album that grows on you the more you listen.
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yeah i'm an idiot but people are questioning you and not me?
notice how you said "i" as the listener? whatever you like in an artist may not be something i like. i would much rather hear about something important than stupid shit that biggie didn't even have to do because he had a GREAT LIFE.
how can i act like i like something when i don't?
i understand that you can't admit when your wrong.
The fact people questioning me or you has nothing to do with the arguement, do u base all your opinions on what other people think?...I agree on that something I like U may not like and the other way around....
what I speak against is dismissing artists because of topicz they choose to talk about...IMO that is very close minded- it's tha same as censouring, the only thing we can expect from rappers as listeners is to know how to tell whatever theme they pick otherwise you gapredise your taste to half finished material and gimmickz since any half assed rapper who tries to talk about " world hunger" will atract you more than a fine MC spitten a detailed well structured story on some less important topic.
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The fact people questioning me or you has nothing to do with the arguement, do u base all your opinions on what other people think?...I agree on that something I like U may not like and the other way around....
what I speak against is dismissing artists because of topicz they choose to talk about...IMO that is very close minded- it's tha same as censouring, the only thing we can expect from rappers as listeners is to know how to tell whatever theme they pick otherwise you gapredise your taste to half finished material and gimmickz since any half assed rapper who tries to talk about " world hunger" will atract you more than a fine MC spitten a detailed well structured story on some less important topic.
if i based my opinions on what other people think i would've just said illmatic or ready to die and not went into detail about the issue. i can go from listening to ras kass to 2pac to wc so i'm certainly not close minded. most rappers who rap about important issues are alot better than your average run of the mill rapper. i'm not saying that that's the case all of the time but i would say about 75%. if a rapper spits nice he will get regular rotation in my changer no matter what he raps about but i won't think its the best because its very easy to rap about guns, women, drugs, and killing even if you haven't experienced it. your basically just doing what the majority want you to do.
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if i based my opinions on what other people think i would've just said illmatic or ready to die and not went into detail about the issue. i can go from listening to ras kass to 2pac to wc so i'm certainly not close minded. most rappers who rap about important issues are alot better than your average run of the mill rapper. i'm not saying that that's the case all of the time but i would say about 75%. if a rapper spits nice he will get regular rotation in my changer no matter what he raps about but i won't think its the best because its very easy to rap about guns, women, drugs, and killing even if you haven't experienced it. your basically just doing what the majority want you to do.
It's very easy to rap about guns, drugs and killing? really...if u say so, I on the other hand tend to think that rapping about certain things doesn't make it easier nor harder, worst or better, it's the final product the matters: otherwise u just do ,what (let's say) the people who hate on Eminem nowdays are doing-u dismiss a rapper because of a topic he chooses to talk about no metter how well he does it. U basiclly take his freedom of speach from him...you see, I trust my taste enough to know when I hear lyrical garbage and when I hear some genius work, unlike u, a small glimpse at tha topic is not something I need, to judge stuff by it.