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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: when it rains it pours on July 10, 2011, 11:31:02 AM
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LOL. Women's Soccer.
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hot lesbos who win?
what more do u want?
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LOL. Women's Soccer.
lol yeah. Pure comedy.
But a few of them look like women nowadays
I watched the game and I'm sad now that Brazil's out. :'( Hope is pretty fine, but Brazil's #2 was so cute :(
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Only Mormons fap to women's soccer.
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LOL. Women's Soccer.
lol yeah. Pure comedy.
But a few of them look like women nowadays
I watched the game and I'm sad now that Brazil's out. :'( Hope is pretty fine, but Brazil's #2 was so cute :(
very good game
that chick from brazil who faked the injury got what she deserved haha karma US scored with the time added on
Only Mormons fap to women's soccer.
call me mormon I'd practice polygamy with them soccer bitches.
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Isn't there twice as many flops?
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The Japanese FFB team can actually play football, unfortunately they're an exeption. That's gonna be a tough game for the U.S.
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The Japanese FFB team can actually play football, unfortunately they're an exeption. That's gonna be a tough game for the U.S.
yes sir
i watched on wednsday they might be short but there agile as fuck. there going to get nice shots off against usa.
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The Japanese FFB team can actually play football, unfortunately they're an exeption. That's gonna be a tough game for the U.S.
yes sir
i watched on wednsday they might be short but there agile as fuck. there going to get nice shots off against usa.
Hopefully! I wanna see them win.
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The Japanese FFB team can actually play football, unfortunately they're an exeption. That's gonna be a tough game for the U.S.
yes sir
i watched on wednsday they might be short but there agile as fuck. there going to get nice shots off against usa.
Hopefully! I wanna see them win.
hope solo is going to distract the japanese with her dashing looks and there gona miss all the goals and the US will win 8)
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fucking mother fucking japan won. first pearl harbor now this!
great game though US broke down in the penalty shots.
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Epic! WINNING! That was a thrilling game. Japan got a little lucky but never gave up and stayed dangerous. Best game of the tournament.
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World Cup determined on 5 kicks of pure luck each. Now that's a sport.
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World Cup determined on 5 kicks of pure luck each. Now that's a sport.
It's not really pure luck though lol. 120 min of playing soccer ain't no joke. I
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Epic! WINNING! That was a thrilling game. Japan got a little lucky but never gave up and stayed dangerous. Best game of the tournament.
US had a good chance at taking a nice lead in the beginning; they took open shots at the goal and missed, they hit the pole 3-4 times. just not there day. Both teams were in very good shape though, none of the players showed any signs of being tired even in the last minutes of over time.
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ugh, great game, but fuck man, what a choke at the penalty kicks. also that 2nd goal, that #11 jawn fucked up so bad, she should have cleared that ball out of there. weak. oh and the goalie and alex morgan are sexy.
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World Cup determined on 5 kicks of pure luck each. Now that's a sport.
luck? You don't know shit, keep your stupidity for yourself.
Aren't all the decisive throws and free throws in the last minutes of a NBA game pure luck? Now that's a sport.
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World Cup determined on 5 kicks of pure luck each. Now that's a sport.
::)
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lol @ the Soccer defense. LOL @ comparing them to NBA free throws. They've never determined the outcome of a game after the 4th quarter ever & those aren't luck at all considering some players shoot 90+% & some less.
Let's not act like all you have to do is kick it right & hope the goalie goes left. It's pure luck. The goalie before the shot guesses where the kicker (who knows where he's kicking it) & makes a blind dive hoping they guessed right.
& like someone said above, alright true 120+ minutes of Soccer "ain't no joke". That's why they shouldn't end it on some bullshit game of chance.
I mean they might as well made the game eleven minutes long & just straight up went to penalty kicks.
Don't blindly defend your sport, looks bad. I'm pretty sure if I had ten kicks against the greatest goalie in the World, I'd score 3-4 goals & most of my misses would just be me completely missing because I suck.
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lol @ the Soccer defense. LOL @ comparing them to NBA free throws. They've never determined the outcome of a game after the 4th quarter ever & those aren't luck at all considering some players shoot 90+% & some less.
Let's not act like all you have to do is kick it right & hope the goalie goes left. It's pure luck. The goalie before the shot guesses where the kicker (who knows where he's kicking it) & makes a blind dive hoping they guessed right.
& like someone said above, alright true 120+ minutes of Soccer "ain't no joke". That's why they shouldn't end it on some bullshit game of chance.
I mean they might as well made the game eleven minutes long & just straight up went to penalty kicks.
Don't blindly defend your sport, looks bad. I'm pretty sure if I had ten kicks against the greatest goalie in the World, I'd score 3-4 goals & most of my misses would just be me completely missing because I suck.
Different goalkeepers have varying styles when defending a penalty kick. Some react to the shot, others try to analyze body language. Others memorize each kicker's history of penalty shots. Luck is involved, in the same fashion that luck is involved in all sports where centimeters is the difference between winning and losing. The percentages of it isn't the same as a coin toss. And speaking of a coin toss, in the NFL playoffs when they go to Overtime possession is decided on an actual coin toss.
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And speaking of a coin toss, in the NFL playoffs when they go to Overtime possession is decided on an actual coin toss.
lmao
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Some of these bitches sexy nowadays lol. France & Sweden had bomb teams :P
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Isn't there twice as many flops?
Maybe they learned from David 'the hayemaker' I mean 'the flopmaker' Haye from his last boxing match vs. Klitschko :D
And congrats to Japan. After what happened to that country this year they deserved it. Another reason I wanted them to win I cause I like asian women. I don't watch soccer, I did glance to espnnews when the penalty kicks happened.
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C'mon, son. They showed the slow motion replay of those penalty kicks four times after each one. The goalie is in a straight up all out dive before contact with the ball is even made. How is that not pure luck? You can study all you want. Bottom line, you have NO idea.
& how does the NFL coin flip determine the game? It just says who gets the ball. Plus they changed the rules of that, where you need to score a touchdown. If you kick a FG, the other team gets the ball back to match or score a winning touchdown. They just installed it last postseason, so I'm not sure of the exact rule. But regardless, it's not in the same league. All the coin flip does is give a team the ball. Then from there they play the same game they played for four quarters. They don't call out both kickers & say, make as many kicks as you can in a row.
"If both are elite players and know their crafts, the one who is kicking the ball is going to win just about every time," Gustavson says. "Basically, if you kick the ball into either corner, you are going to score. The keeper would just not be able to react fast enough to a ball kicked anywhere over 55 miles per hourif it is kicked within a yard of either goalpost."
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2003-02-18-ten-hardest-penalty-kick_x.htm
If you stop something that is going to win "just about EVERY time", I'd say that's luck. & this is what determines the "Super Bowl/World Series/Finals" of Soccer, which all you Soccer fans cry about is the "greatest, most popular game ever". There is less luck in Black Jack.
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Tell that goalie she was lucky the US team choked, lol.
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World Cup determined on 5 kicks of pure luck each. Now that's a sport.
i'm not the biggest fan of penalty kicks but you're exaggerating a bit when you call that "pure luck each". It's more than that. It takes courage, skills and mental stability to take penalty kicks. That's why there are nations that are notoriously bad at penalty kicks (Italy, England) and nations that are fucking unbeatable (Germany never lost any penalty kick session ever), if that was pure luck the stats would be even for each team. That's a psychological thing more than anything. Basically i view things like this : if you win the penalty kicks, you have proved to be the most capable under pressure, you have shown character and values.
It's based on intuition, self-confidence and skills... of course without skills you can still score a penalty kick, but you're more likely to fold under pressure, especially at a crucial moment like that. now a well-taken penalty can never be stopped, and that's what the germans are excellent at.
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C'mon, son. They showed the slow motion replay of those penalty kicks four times after each one. The goalie is in a straight up all out dive before contact with the ball is even made. How is that not pure luck? You can study all you want. Bottom line, you have NO idea.
& how does the NFL coin flip determine the game? It just says who gets the ball. Plus they changed the rules of that, where you need to score a touchdown. If you kick a FG, the other team gets the ball back to match or score a winning touchdown. They just installed it last postseason, so I'm not sure of the exact rule. But regardless, it's not in the same league. All the coin flip does is give a team the ball. Then from there they play the same game they played for four quarters. They don't call out both kickers & say, make as many kicks as you can in a row.
"If both are elite players and know their crafts, the one who is kicking the ball is going to win just about every time," Gustavson says. "Basically, if you kick the ball into either corner, you are going to score. The keeper would just not be able to react fast enough to a ball kicked anywhere over 55 miles per hourif it is kicked within a yard of either goalpost."
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/2003-02-18-ten-hardest-penalty-kick_x.htm
If you stop something that is going to win "just about EVERY time", I'd say that's luck. & this is what determines the "Super Bowl/World Series/Finals" of Soccer, which all you Soccer fans cry about is the "greatest, most popular game ever". There is less luck in Black Jack.
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lol. No argument is ridiculous enough for football-basher Chamilla. Go and play with Nik idiot.
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World Cup determined on 5 kicks of pure luck each. Now that's a sport.
i'm not the biggest fan of penalty kicks but you're exaggerating a bit when you call that "pure luck each". It's more than that. It takes courage, skills and mental stability to take penalty kicks. That's why there are nations that are notoriously bad at penalty kicks (Italy, England) and nations that are fucking unbeatable (Germany never lost any penalty kick session ever), if that was pure luck the stats would be even for each team. That's a psychological thing more than anything. Basically i view things like this : if you win the penalty kicks, you have proved to be the most capable under pressure, you have shown character and values.
It's based on intuition, self-confidence and skills... of course without skills you can still score a penalty kick, but you're more likely to fold under pressure, especially at a crucial moment like that. now a well-taken penalty can never be stopped, and that's what the germans are excellent at.
On point. One might add that German teams are so confident because they can always rely on excellent keepers while England usually has bad ones. It's no coincidence, if you know that your keeper might save 1 or 2 penalties you definately have a psychological advantage.
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Cham, don't base your judgement on penalty kicks on female players. They're nowhere near the talent as a world class football athlete is. And about the NFL, they recently changed it just last year. That's still luck though, it decides who gets to have the first chance and possibly only chance to win the game. In international soccer, after 120 min of playing time that's the most fair way to figure who the best team is. It can't be considered pure luck, if goal keepers exist that are much better and stopping penalties than others. This fact alone proves that it isn't pure luck. All the advantage of the world is for the shooter of course, they still need to execute though.
If your wish came true and penalties did not decide games, what's an alternative?
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^To just play until it's over.
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^To just play until it's over.
lol go watch ur nfl and baseball honky
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^To just play until it's over.
i don't think it's doable, scoring in soccer isn't as easy as in say basketball and when two teams are exhausted and drawing, they generally nullify each other. plus soccer is exacting and 120 minutes is very long... you have players regularly having heart attacks on the pitch so to have them playing more than 120 minutes seems unfathomable
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^To just play until it's over.
i don't think it's doable, scoring in soccer isn't as easy as in say basketball and when two teams are exhausted and drawing, they generally nullify each other. plus soccer is exacting and 120 minutes is very long... you have players regularly having heart attacks on the pitch so to have them playing more than 120 minutes seems unfathomable
There are substitutes for a reason right?
The NBA doesn't have a free throw contest.
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^To just play until it's over.
i don't think it's doable, scoring in soccer isn't as easy as in say basketball and when two teams are exhausted and drawing, they generally nullify each other. plus soccer is exacting and 120 minutes is very long... you have players regularly having heart attacks on the pitch so to have them playing more than 120 minutes seems unfathomable
There are substitutes for a reason right?
The NBA doesn't have a free throw contest.
If you increase the number of subs or make it similar to the NBA, then it would really ruin the regular time flow of the game. If you only allow extra subs in extra time, then you'll have games decided on the players that weren't involved at all throughout the game and in most cases tournament. And penalty kicks do not equal free throws.
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^To just play until it's over.
Fail.
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I'm a classic soccer hater but I started appreciating/ becoming a fairly big fan in the last couple years mainly because of the arrival of the Sounders and the immediate success they've had here. Still though, I think it's pretty ridiculous for the World Cup to be decided by penalty kicks.
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^To just play until it's over.
i don't think it's doable, scoring in soccer isn't as easy as in say basketball and when two teams are exhausted and drawing, they generally nullify each other. plus soccer is exacting and 120 minutes is very long... you have players regularly having heart attacks on the pitch so to have them playing more than 120 minutes seems unfathomable
There are substitutes for a reason right?
The NBA doesn't have a free throw contest.
If you increase the number of subs or make it similar to the NBA, then it would really ruin the regular time flow of the game. If you only allow extra subs in extra time, then you'll have games decided on the players that weren't involved at all throughout the game and in most cases tournament. And penalty kicks do not equal free throws.
What do you mean? Change regularly throughout the game. If you need to sit Lionel Messi for 20 minutes or so then so be it if you want him in there to win the game.
But this is meaningless, the whole point is that it's still pure luck.
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You talk an unbelievable amount of shit.
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Im not a big soccer guy. I rarely watch it, but the US chicks were doing pretty good and there hot. from what i seen in the few games i watched the US penalty shots against brazil and japan the goalies were taking guesses and doing random dives to one side or the other.
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^To just play until it's over.
i don't think it's doable, scoring in soccer isn't as easy as in say basketball and when two teams are exhausted and drawing, they generally nullify each other. plus soccer is exacting and 120 minutes is very long... you have players regularly having heart attacks on the pitch so to have them playing more than 120 minutes seems unfathomable
There are substitutes for a reason right?
The NBA doesn't have a free throw contest.
If you increase the number of subs or make it similar to the NBA, then it would really ruin the regular time flow of the game. If you only allow extra subs in extra time, then you'll have games decided on the players that weren't involved at all throughout the game and in most cases tournament. And penalty kicks do not equal free throws.
What do you mean? Change regularly throughout the game. If you need to sit Lionel Messi for 20 minutes or so then so be it if you want him in there to win the game.
But this is meaningless, the whole point is that it's still pure luck.
Not a good idea because that will change the dynamic of the sport itself so much that it would basically mean to change formation and tactics completely due to an unnecessary rule change.
It's not pure luck, if better goalkeepers have a higher save rate in penalties than others. The luck that is involved is literally the same luck involved in every sport. Bloop singles in baseball, missed free throws by high percentage shooters in basketball, deflections that lead to completions in the NFL, etc. At the end of the day though, a skillful keeper can sway the percentages his way.
This has only become an outrage because american sportswriters who don't really follow soccer, watched the U.S. Women's World Cup final and somehow started believing that it's pure luck. This is absolutely not true.
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^To just play until it's over.
i don't think it's doable, scoring in soccer isn't as easy as in say basketball and when two teams are exhausted and drawing, they generally nullify each other. plus soccer is exacting and 120 minutes is very long... you have players regularly having heart attacks on the pitch so to have them playing more than 120 minutes seems unfathomable
There are substitutes for a reason right?
The NBA doesn't have a free throw contest.
If you increase the number of subs or make it similar to the NBA, then it would really ruin the regular time flow of the game. If you only allow extra subs in extra time, then you'll have games decided on the players that weren't involved at all throughout the game and in most cases tournament. And penalty kicks do not equal free throws.
What do you mean? Change regularly throughout the game. If you need to sit Lionel Messi for 20 minutes or so then so be it if you want him in there to win the game.
But this is meaningless, the whole point is that it's still pure luck.
You can keep your American habits for your wack sports, no need to ruin it so Yanks enjoy the sport. Next thing would be silly cheerleaders and quarters so you can pack more commercials in.
The only thing football should borrow from US sports is a salary cup.
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Penalty kicks are ridiculous and stupid. I can understand them for regular season and exhibition games but world cups and such is just dumb. Your determining the outcome of a game based on not playing the game. Your basically stopping the actual game to play a mini game. That makes zero sense. Like Cham said that's like NBA having a free throw contest or baseball having a homerun derby to determine the winner. Hockey has shootouts but only after an overtime period and only during the regular season, not during the Stanley cup. If the Stanley cup was determined on a shootout contest people would be outraged. And these games can go on forever, I've watched games well into quadruple overtime before someone scored. And hockey is one of the most physically exhausting sports you can play.A lot more physical then soccer, plus it's got all the cardio of soccer.
People defending this are just blindly loving thier sport and can't admit any fault in it. I won't speak on the rest of the sport but this act itself which is just dumb. To determine your winner of a sport while not even playing the sport is just wrong and undermines the sport itself.
You can take amatuer players and they could win a game against pros based on penalty kicks, but Put them in a real game and they would be exposed as amateurs
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People defending this are just blindly loving thier sport and can't admit any fault in it. To determine your winner of a sport while not even playing the sport is just wrong and undermines the sport itself.
You can take amatuer players and they could win a game against pros based on penalty kicks, but Put them in a real game and they would be exposed as amateurs
Thank you. End thread.
We're talking about the World Cup. Like I said, something most of you consider the greatest sports achievement possible & it can end on something that has no relation to the game that was played for 120 minutes whatsoever.
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NHL rotates their players throughout the game, it's much more reasonable for them to survive a really long game. That's not the case in soccer, where you only have 3 subs. If you want teams to go past 120 minutes, then the winner will be decided on whichever team happens to be healthier. If you guys have seen a good amount of extra time games, you guys would notice that fatigue is very visible already by the first half of extra time and even more by the 2nd half of extra time. 30 minutes of extra time is already asking a lot of players, making this longer will not be right. This isn't blind love, this is logic. And why would clubs who pay the big money for most of these players allow the rules to be changed, just so that they can see their investment risk injury even more with unlimited extra time? Not reasonable at all.
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NHL does rotate but the risk of injury is far greater in it then soccer. Soccer isn't a physical sport, thiers less wear and tear on players. Your not getting bodychecked, hacked with a stick and punched.and during a shift you don't see players barely moving, thier constantly moving at high speed. Where as soccer every player isn't always moving at a highspeed constantly.The risk of injury in the NFL and NHL far surpasses every other sport, because thier physical sports.
Every other sport keeps playing until one team wins, as it should be. They risk injury in far greater amounts then soccer. Injury risk is a lame excuse to not keep playing when the two more brutal sports do it.
It's lame, and blasphemous to the sport. No other league does it and for good reason
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I was referring to injuries due to playing time, not the sport itself. If your body is conditioned to peak in 90 minutes of play, and you play an extra 30 minutes...players bodies start to feel it and it's shown. Cramps is probably the ones you get to see the most, you're going to have to stop play every few minutes after 120 minutes of play to deal with a player. And you'll probably end up with 10 v 9 or some bs shit like that. Since soccer is also the sport where a score is least likely to happen, you can be playing for a really long time.
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NHL does rotate but the risk of injury is far greater in it then soccer. Soccer isn't a physical sport, thiers less wear and tear on players. Your not getting bodychecked, hacked with a stick and punched.and during a shift you don't see players barely moving, thier constantly moving at high speed. Where as soccer every player isn't always moving at a highspeed constantly.The risk of injury in the NFL and NHL far surpasses every other sport, because thier physical sports.
Every other sport keeps playing until one team wins, as it should be. They risk injury in far greater amounts then soccer. Injury risk is a lame excuse to not keep playing when the two more brutal sports do it.
It's lame, and blasphemous to the sport. No other league does it and for good reason
you dork know that most injuries are not caused by contact and that the legs are the most vulnerable parts of the body? The kegs/feet have more to sustain than NFL/Hockey players.
I don't think there are more injuries in your 'physical' sports than in football.
I know so many people who've ruined their health with football, I can't even count. I've had knee surgery myself last year and 2 years ago I had my collar bone broken (by a hit from another player btw).
And there are enough brutal scenes in football, you see these kinds of videos every few weeks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFjtjULfJfM&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvTxHHjFLzc&feature=related
And there are enough players who clash with their heads together going for a header etc...
But my bad, maybe football clubs should recruit steroid filled bodybuilders and a few thugs who can only hit other players and start fights so you can respect it as manly enough.
Penalty kicks are a good way to end games. and lol @ you thinking you could win a penalty shootout. There are goalies who know what they're doing, of course they have the disadvantage, but there are quite a few penalty killers. For the shooter it's mainly mental strength, definately not pure lick.
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Lol@ how defensive you are furor.I never said anything about my feelings towards soccer in my post or attacked it in anyway. I was discussing the penalty kicks and potential injuries in sports. It's entertaining how butthurt you are and had to launch into an angry, defensive post of non sense. You sound pretty fucking insecure about your own tastes frankly. And lol, I never said anything about myself being able to score. Though I did play soccer for about 8 years in leagues, so I'm well aquintated with the game. Perhaps you should just sit this thread out, your emotional and distraught. I'd rather have a discussion with Javier, you just come off as insecure and ignorant.Your reply flopped harder then a soccer player being brushed up against
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Javier, I do realize that. But, if you've played hockey you'd know it's very physically demanding. Games are only scheduled for three periods, but I've seen games go into seven periods and then the team playing the very next night. That's true determination and brings out the man in a person. If you follow hockey at all you'd see as soon as a team gets eliminated all of the players injuries are revealed. When the flyers were eliminated they had seven players have to have surgeries, and those seven players were all playing. When the Canucks lost game seven they had a plethora of injuries as well, one player playing through groin tears and hip problems.in game five they lost a forward to a fractured vertebrae. You can look at any team and it's the same.
The injuries are not the same. Every few games you see players leaving the ice on stretchers with concussions. An accidental collision is not the same as a player being bodychecked by a 230 lb man repeatedly throughout the game.
If every other sport can handle it so can they. It just further enforces the reputation of soccer players being soft.
It's a terrible way to end a game.
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I didn't want this thread to deteriorate into a pissing contest of sport vs sport but furors moronic post lends itself to that. Anyone who puts physical in sarcastic quotations when talking about hockey and American football is an idiot and spoken like someone who's never played either game in a comptetive environment. Just YouTube great hockey hits or hockey fights or great football hits and it's immediately clear the sports are brutal. It's a huge difference between incidental contact and something that's required to play the sport.
I've played all three and thiers no comparison to getting up the next day and being sore from head to toe and barely being able to walk because of the game of american football or hockey you played. Never had that problem with soccer.
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Javier, I do realize that. But, if you've played hockey you'd know it's very physically demanding. Games are only scheduled for three periods, but I've seen games go into seven periods and then the team playing the very next night. That's true determination and brings out the man in a person. If you follow hockey at all you'd see as soon as a team gets eliminated all of the players injuries are revealed. When the flyers were eliminated they had seven players have to have surgeries, and those seven players were all playing. When the Canucks lost game seven they had a plethora of injuries as well, one player playing through groin tears and hip problems.in game five they lost a forward to a fractured vertebrae. You can look at any team and it's the same.
The injuries are not the same. Every few games you see players leaving the ice on stretchers with concussions. An accidental collision is not the same as a player being bodychecked by a 230 lb man repeatedly throughout the game.
If every other sport can handle it so can they. It just further enforces the reputation of soccer players being soft.
It's a terrible way to end a game.
who wants 2 watch 7 overtimes in hockey and football is wack hut grab the ball and run 10 yards smh
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Real Madrid is interested in this player from Brazil named Neymar, this will basically become a very very expensive procedure. Real Mardid will have to give Neymar's old club at least 45 million euros just to transfer him and still pay his salary.
Imagine the club's reaction if they were to see their prize signing play a 180 minute game. It doesn't make sense physically.
Hockey and soccer are just different sports with different physical exertion. Hockey is more physical and more of a sprinting game, while soccer is less physical but it is a combination of sprinting and a marathon.
Most likelyJaydc and Cham have probably called soccer boring in the fast, you wouldn't want to see a game past 120 minutes. Their bodies just aren't conditioned for that, and the fact that there are only 3 subs would make it really difficult.
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I find baseball to be the most boring sport to watch
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lol, why is this guy defending injuries in Soccer? You have the same chance of getting injured in Soccer in the first 30 seconds or in the 130th minute. Injuries are no reason to say you can't play longer when injuries are Soccer are the result of some cheap hit or freak accident.
Imagine the club's reaction if they were to see their prize signing play a 180 minute game. It doesn't make sense physically.
Nobody is saying every game. Just for the World Cup & games leading up to it. Basically for that tournament. If some random game tomorrow ends 0-0 after extra time, go ahead & kick penalty kicks. But you're going to crown the World's greatest, who holds the title for the next four years off some lucky shit? Because your goalie jumped left, but the kicker was thinking right before he even hit it? Joke.
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cham just watch ur baseball and eat a dick at the same time
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cham just watch ur baseball and eat a dick at the same time
You're from Carribean Islands & you live in Canada. You have no say in anything.
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lol, why is this guy defending injuries in Soccer? You have the same chance of getting injured in Soccer in the first 30 seconds or in the 130th minute. Injuries are no reason to say you can't play longer when injuries are Soccer are the result of some cheap hit or freak accident.
Imagine the club's reaction if they were to see their prize signing play a 180 minute game. It doesn't make sense physically.
Just for the World Cup & games leading up to it.
Yeah dude, no club would like that. Clubs aren't going to give a fuck about the World Cup lol
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I mean, I guess it just goes to show how lame the sport can get. They can't even allow unlimited "next goal wins" extra time because they know it could last 0-0, 1-1 for seven hours or so.
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^^^ So once again:
i'm not the biggest fan of penalty kicks but you're exaggerating a bit when you call that "pure luck each". It's more than that. It takes courage, skills and mental stability to take penalty kicks. That's why there are nations that are notoriously bad at penalty kicks (Italy, England) and nations that are fucking unbeatable (Germany never lost any penalty kick session ever), if that was pure luck the stats would be even for each team. That's a psychological thing more than anything. Basically i view things like this : if you win the penalty kicks, you have proved to be the most capable under pressure, you have shown character and values.
It's based on intuition, self-confidence and skills... of course without skills you can still score a penalty kick, but you're more likely to fold under pressure, especially at a crucial moment like that. now a well-taken penalty can never be stopped, and that's what the germans are excellent at.
Not too hard to understand, right. This ain't a pissing contest which sport is better. I wouldn't waste my time pointing out how lame I think Baseball is.
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^^^ So once again:
i'm not the biggest fan of penalty kicks but you're exaggerating a bit when you call that "pure luck each". It's more than that. It takes courage, skills and mental stability to take penalty kicks. That's why there are nations that are notoriously bad at penalty kicks (Italy, England) and nations that are fucking unbeatable (Germany never lost any penalty kick session ever), if that was pure luck the stats would be even for each team. That's a psychological thing more than anything. Basically i view things like this : if you win the penalty kicks, you have proved to be the most capable under pressure, you have shown character and values.
It's based on intuition, self-confidence and skills... of course without skills you can still score a penalty kick, but you're more likely to fold under pressure, especially at a crucial moment like that. now a well-taken penalty can never be stopped, and that's what the germans are excellent at.
Not too hard to understand, right. This ain't a pissing contest which sport is better. I wouldn't waste my time pointing out how lame I think Baseball is.
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Hockey is more brutal than soccer no doubt. However soccer is the sport you play on the largest area and that is a very important factor. There's no rotation in soccer and a player has to be fit enough to sustain the pace dictated by the game. Not only is it mandatory for a player to have stamina but you also have to be the fastest to get to the ball first.
120 minutes extra time is already too long imo. You already have a lot of trained professional players regularly dying during 90-120 mn games. If you allow the extra time to go on endlessly until someones scores it's only gonna get worse. Check the following list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_association_footballers_who_died_while_playing
now compare with that list
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ice_hockey_players_who_died_during_their_playing_career
there's a few people dying on-ice but a lot less than soccer players dying on-field, that's very telling about how exacting soccer is.
PK is a compromise, a shitty compromise but a compromise still... the international leagues have thought for a long time about another way to end games. the best solution was the one they used back in the day which they still used for the English FA Cup... replay the game when it's a draw. honestly that's the fairest and safest solution. that's what they did for European Cup Finals (i.e. Bayern Munich VS Atletico Madrid in 1972 i think) but today the financial stakes are so high that they can't afford to do that. there was the short-lived Golden Goal (which allowed us to win the Euro 2000 against Italy 8)) where the first who scored during extra-time won the game. and Silver Goal rules where the team leading at the end of the first extra-time half won the game. but they were removed.
I like PK's (whether during the game or to decide the issue of a gae) even though it's not the fairest way to end a game. it shows you who has the balls to go, take responsibilities and show his/her greatness under pressure. it shows you who really wants to win the game and who is shitscared. I'm still hurt to this day that my boy Trezeguet missed his PK's against AC Milan in the 03 CL Final and the 06 WC final. :(
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Right, 120 minutes (with a break at 45 & a bunch of 15-30 second ones in between) is almost pushing human limits. Despite the fact there are marathon runners who run 26 miles straight in four hours lol.
I mean, I pray you guys watch more Soccer than me.
http://www.youtube.com/v/KuIXWs41EQc&feature=related You going to lie to me & say everybody is running every single second? It just doesn't happen. Stop talking like it's nonstop all out sprinting?
As for teams having higher & lower percentages on penalty kicks, that's just who has better kickers. It says nothing about it for the goalie. It's still luck. If I flipped a coin 100 times, you think it would land on heads & tails 50 times each? There is just a 50% chance it lands 50 times each. But it can land on heads 75 times. Shit, technically speaking, it can land on heads 100 times. So a goalie can guess right more than others. LOL, I even just watched a Youtube video of Portugal kicking penalty kicks & the announcer said, "Oh, he guessed the right way". Nigga said GUESSED lol.
& you couldn't point out a flaw in Baseball as far as the sport itself. You can say it's slow & boring, but when it comes to picking a winner whether it takes 9 innings or 29 innings, they play the same game they've been playing to determine a winner. You actually can't point out one flaw in Baseball, Basketball or Football. The only thing you could talk about is nonsense like, they use steroids or like I said, Baseball is stoo slow. But as far as how the sport is designed, it's flawless. Until the day they end a Basketball game on a free throw contest, I have a hard time seeing where I'm wrong.
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Marathon runners train for long distance running. Soccer is a combination of sprinting and long distance running.
It's cool you posted the first half of La Copa del Rey, I believe. Real Madrid went in there with the strategy of playing defense with not much pressure in the first half, but in the 2nd half they increased the pressure by a lot. That's a strategy in order to preserve energy because teams that have tried to play constant pressure vs Barca fail because they tire out.
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Right, 120 minutes (with a break at 45 & a bunch of 15-30 second ones in between) is almost pushing human limits. Despite the fact there are marathon runners who run 26 miles straight in four hours lol.
I mean, I pray you guys watch more Soccer than me.
http://www.youtube.com/v/KuIXWs41EQc&feature=related You going to lie to me & say everybody is running every single second? It just doesn't happen. Stop talking like it's nonstop all out sprinting?
We never said it was non stop all-out sprinting... it's a combination between short sprinting to conquer the ball and running up and down the pitch to keep your position. the thing is the sprint are usually 40-80 yard sprints and very violent ones, when you've run for 100 minutes your body doesn't respond as well as it did when the game started. a marathon isn't as violent, it's a 60% run all the time and you basically train your body all year long to resist a mild but long effort. soccer is not as long by any means but way more exacting for your heart and cardio.
As for teams having higher & lower percentages on penalty kicks, that's just who has better kickers. It says nothing about it for the goalie. It's still luck. If I flipped a coin 100 times, you think it would land on heads & tails 50 times each? There is just a 50% chance it lands 50 times each. But it can land on heads 75 times. Shit, technically speaking, it can land on heads 100 times. So a goalie can guess right more than others. LOL, I even just watched a Youtube video of Portugal kicking penalty kicks & the announcer said, "Oh, he guessed the right way". Nigga said GUESSED lol.
If they have better kickers then it's not "pure luck", is it ? luck involves no factor but chance. as for the goalie it's more complex than that.that's like saying poker is "pure luck". of course you have to make a choice where to dive, but that choice isn't motivated solely by guess. the goalie can analyze the eyes of the kicker, the position of his feet to look for clues, some conceal everything (i always do), some bluff, some just give out too much information before taking the penalty, its up to the goalie to sense that. then he can decide with as much information as he grabbed where he can dive. and if you choose the same side as the penalty taker, you're still not sure to stop the shoot, and that's where the value of the goalie is needed. that's why you have goalies that are notoriously proficient in stopping penalty kicks (Barthez, Kopke, Tafarel) and some straight up suck at it (David James).
& you couldn't point out a flaw in Baseball as far as the sport itself. You can say it's slow & boring, but when it comes to picking a winner whether it takes 9 innings or 29 innings, they play the same game they've been playing to determine a winner. You actually can't point out one flaw in Baseball, Basketball or Football. The only thing you could talk about is nonsense like, they use steroids or like I said, Baseball is stoo slow. But as far as how the sport is designed, it's flawless. Until the day they end a Basketball game on a free throw contest, I have a hard time seeing where I'm wrong.
I don't know why you're always pitting these three sports in particular against soccer but you seem mad insecure about soccer being more popular than these three sports combined. get over it it's nothing really, i like them all. I understand some soccer advocates sound blindsided and silly but you come off as even sillier trying to tell people about a sport you clearly don't know much about (as you have proven in this very thread).
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Soccer is a much larger sport worldwide then hockey, so of course it's numbers will be a lot larger. It's not a fair comparison at all.You'd have to do it by scale, which is impossible. And deaths are a freak accident usually so I'm not sure what that proves. A hockey player collapsed and died sitting on the bench a few years back during an NHL game. Had nothing to do with the sport.
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@ bouli77.
1. My point is that, I'm telling you playing another 30 minutes isn't life-threatening & can easily be done.
2. I mean, better kickers makes it better for one team, but it's still pure luck for the goalie. What I meant by the kickers is that lets take Lionel Messi (best player on the planet) & some average 14 year old & Messi can just kick the ball perfectly in places the average 14 year old can't. Therefore he's better for it. But the goalie still is just diving. The 14 year old would make seven of ten, easy. I mean, you can sit here & tell me the goalie analyzes the player & this & that. But it's still luck.
3. You Soccer nuts are the one who brought up other sports. My only reference to other sports was that they don't end games by something not relevant to the sport. Somebody said above, "I don't pick out the flaws in Baseball", my response to that is that you can't because there are none.
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yeah i admit PK's is a terrible way to end a game, especially a WC final, but there's still something interesting to it though and it's a compromise, however frustrating it is. but a lot of things need to changed / improved as far as soccer : the use of the video to disallow or allow goals, pk's, etc. however, the institutions are so rotten to the core that i doubt well see a change soon.
and i admit a lot of soccer nuts are dumb about they rant about the alleged superiority of "their" sport... not targeting anyone in this topic because people actually provided interesting points but each time i check a soccer or an american football video on youtube there are reams of posts about what sport is better and usually the soccer guys are the ones to start shit up
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IMO soccer is a sport where ur conditioning makes or breaks a team, espically in extra time, but the PK shoot out is pretty shitty, my suggestion for them would be to make the shooter step back a few yards to give the goalie a dying chance so they dont make blind dives. that would make it harder for the shooter and it would test the goalies skills.
and the dudes hating on the chicks playing ball why yall mad?
I'd watch chicks play soccer any day over the dudes, from the few mens games i seen those dudes is steady bitchin at the refs, each other and getting all kinds of cards. just shut the hell up and play. plus the chicks is hot
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cham just watch ur baseball and eat a dick at the same time
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cham just watch ur baseball and eat a dick at the same time
You're from Carribean Islands & you live in Canada. You have no say in anything.
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yeah i admit PK's is a terrible way to end a game, especially a WC final, but there's still something interesting to it though and it's a compromise, however frustrating it is. but a lot of things need to changed / improved as far as soccer : the use of the video to disallow or allow goals, pk's, etc. however, the institutions are so rotten to the core that i doubt well see a change soon.
and i admit a lot of soccer nuts are dumb about they rant about the alleged superiority of "their" sport... not targeting anyone in this topic because people actually provided interesting points but each time i check a soccer or an american football video on youtube there are reams of posts about what sport is better and usually the soccer guys are the ones to start shit up
here it's always the other way arround. But well, I should refrain from arguing with them, pointless. Let them think what they want to. Can't take them serious for the behaviour they display @ the G-Spot and the other sections anyway.
I don't think football needs much improvement. The most important thing is harsher punishment for divers, either by video analysis during the game or afterwards. Offside needs to be less complicated again, and the referees should be instructed to interpret close offside decisions really in favour of the attacker. But the most needed reforms don't affect the game itself: Football needs a salary cup, more rights for clubs against players who drop-out to get out of their contract, and a rule to keep rich fucks and sponsors who buy football clubs out of the game.
I don't think video analysis should be used to full extent. Maybe for foul calls/dives, but not for everything.
IMO soccer is a sport where ur conditioning makes or breaks a team, espically in extra time, but the PK shoot out is pretty shitty, my suggestion for them would be to make the shooter step back a few yards to give the goalie a dying chance so they dont make blind dives. that would make it harder for the shooter and it would test the goalies skills.
11m is fine by me. This is a dramatic and thrilling way to end games. If you don't want to rely on that, go for the win, you have 120 minutes to enforce a decision.
Robert Enke saved 10/23 penalties in his career, more than 40%, you don't get this number by "blind dives"
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11m is fine by me. This is a dramatic and thrilling way to end games. If you don't want to rely on that, go for the win, you have 120 minutes to enforce a decision.
Robert Enke saved 10/23 penalties in his career, more than 40%, you don't get this number by "blind dives"
that's exactly what i think too... however Cham is right it doesn't determine which team is really the better one and that fucks me up a little bit.
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11m is fine by me. This is a dramatic and thrilling way to end games. If you don't want to rely on that, go for the win, you have 120 minutes to enforce a decision.
Robert Enke saved 10/23 penalties in his career, more than 40%, you don't get this number by "blind dives"
that's exactly what i think too... however Cham is right it doesn't determine which team is really the better one and that fucks me up a little bit.
But the factor luck which is PART of penalties add a great deal of emotion and drama to the game.
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11m is fine by me. This is a dramatic and thrilling way to end games. If you don't want to rely on that, go for the win, you have 120 minutes to enforce a decision.
Robert Enke saved 10/23 penalties in his career, more than 40%, you don't get this number by "blind dives"
that's exactly what i think too... however Cham is right it doesn't determine which team is really the better one and that fucks me up a little bit.
But the factor luck which is PART of penalties add a great deal of emotion and drama to the game.
You're damn right it adds emotion. I'd be crying myself if I lost the World Cup on a coin flip.
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11m is fine by me. This is a dramatic and thrilling way to end games. If you don't want to rely on that, go for the win, you have 120 minutes to enforce a decision.
Robert Enke saved 10/23 penalties in his career, more than 40%, you don't get this number by "blind dives"
that's exactly what i think too... however Cham is right it doesn't determine which team is really the better one and that fucks me up a little bit.
But the factor luck which is PART of penalties add a great deal of emotion and drama to the game.
You're damn right it adds emotion. I'd be crying myself if I lost the World Cup on a coin flip.
But that's not how it is. If you refuse to see that, well...
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11m is fine by me. This is a dramatic and thrilling way to end games. If you don't want to rely on that, go for the win, you have 120 minutes to enforce a decision.
Robert Enke saved 10/23 penalties in his career, more than 40%, you don't get this number by "blind dives"
that's exactly what i think too... however Cham is right it doesn't determine which team is really the better one and that fucks me up a little bit.
Well... Dortmund vs Schalke yesterday... DOrtmund was superior throughout the game, had many good chances but couldn't get the ball in (the same shit like last year).
But they lost the penalty shootout (after 90 min because it was only a meaningless preperation tournament) and it was clear that they would lose it. If I'd bet I would've bet 1000€ that Dortmund loses a penalty shootout to Schalke (even though I wouldn't bet against my team). But I knew that they would lose because
a) the keeper, Weidenfeller isn't known as a penatly killer
b) the other keeper, Fährmann was given confidence by our players as they failed many times against him, sth. which always happens when we play against other teams ::)
c) Last season, we missed 6 penalties in a row,
so, of course, only 3/5 penalties were goals and Schalke won.
How can you call that luck, if you know the result before the shootout...
The thing is like I said, Dortmund was better throughout the game, and Schalke is Dortmunds biggest rival... Schalke can't play for shit, they always weasel their way though, so I would've have every right to call it undeserved. But even if it had been an important game, and even I would be mad as hell to lose against Schalke this way, I would've called it a fair win.
Because obviously Schalke is mentally stronger in these situations and Dortmund wasn't able to do sth. with their superiority.
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But a penalty shot is not a game, it's a mini game. Just because one teams better then the other at a shootout doesn't mean anything, it's still dumb. When saving 40 percent of your shots as a keeper is a high percentage, that's just sad.
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But a penalty shot is not a game, it's a mini game. Just because one teams better then the other at a shootout doesn't mean anything, it's still dumb. When saving 40 percent of your shots as a keeper is a high percentage, that's just sad.
??? Care to explain?
Edit: Made up my mind, please don't.
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Furor posted up some guys stats lifetime and that he saved 40 percent of the shots he faced. Like 40 percent is some high number.
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Furor posted up some guys stats lifetime and that he saved 40 percent of the shots he faced. Like 40 percent is some high number.
High number related to what? Obviously you can only compare stats of football goalkeepers and if most keepers have lower percentages, it's in fact a high number.
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If 40 percent is a high number, that means it favors scoring heavily and that goalkeepers are either all terrible or that penalty shots is a one sided affair that is completely dependent on one person, the shooter.Therefore it's not a reflection of the sport itself, or who the better team was.A game should never be decided on something like penalty kicks. It's lame and undermines the sport.
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Like I said, the announcer in the game on Youtube I watched said "Oh, he guessed right on that one". Anytime you have to "guess" & blindly dive in either direction, that's luck to me.