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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on January 14, 2007, 01:38:01 AM
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Two big men still sizing each other up
January 13, 2007
They're old enough to play in the NBA but still young enough to dream of the feats they're capable of pulling off.
Andrew Bynum of the Lakers and Dwight Howard of the Orlando Magic, at 19 and 21, respectively, are establishing themselves as future All-Star centers. In the process, they're building a rivalry that figures to only get better as they battle one another and enhance their skills over the next decade or more.
Bynum, 7 feet, 275 pounds, has Howard by an inch and about 10 pounds. But Howard, in his third season, has one more season's experience, and at this stage of their development, even that small difference shows.
Howard had a team-high 25 points Friday as well as 10 rebounds and two blocks, better than Bynum's eight points, five rebounds and four blocks. But Howard couldn't carry the Magic's attempted fourth-quarter rally to fruition, leaving the Lakers to salvage a 109-106 victory at a sold-out but late-to-get-excited Staples Center.
Howard had a chance to tie the score at 107 with 41 seconds left but missed two free throws, among the nine he missed in the game. Kobe Bryant grabbed the rebound and brought the ball upcourt, where he was fouled by Howard and made two free throws to ensure the end of the Lakers' two-game losing streak.
Bynum contributed a key rejection early in the fourth quarter but was in foul trouble for most of the second half and drew his fifth foul with 9:22 left in the fourth quarter.
"We had foul trouble. Andrew couldn't stay on the floor tonight and Howard proved to be pretty awesome in there," Lakers Coach Phil Jackson said in one of the few criticisms he offered about his team.
Howard was coming off a 30-point, 25-rebound performance against Golden State on Wednesday, only the second NBA player during the last 10 years to get 30 points and 25 rebounds in a regulation game. The most recent precedent was Lorenzen Wright's 33-point, 26-rebound effort for Memphis on Nov. 4, 2001, against Dallas. The last Magic player to do it was some guy named Shaquille O'Neal.
Whatever happened to him?
Bynum played 18 minutes, below his average of 19.5. He's still seeking the consistency that is the hallmark of an elite player, offering occasional glimpses of brilliance but hints of immaturity too. With his shirt tail stubbornly refusing to stay tucked into the waistband of his shorts, he still sometimes looks like a gangly kid playing against the big boys.
"Age-wise, they're close. Strength-wise, Howard has kind of caught up," Jackson said. Howard, he added, is "really a physical marvel. Andrew still hasn't grown into his body."
But he has grown enough physically and professionally to impress Howard.
"He's a great young player already, a big body," Howard said. "He's a lot stronger than he was last year. I think for him, it's just confidence. I really like his game. Seeing him in the [2005] McDonald's game to now, he's a totally different player."
Howard jumped from Southwest Atlanta Christian Academy to the NBA as the first draft pick in 2004 and became the first player to start every game after going from the preps to the pros. Bynum also jumped from high school to the NBA, becoming the 10th pick overall in 2005.
But Bynum didn't start a game until this season, when he started the opener as the third option after Chris Mihm and Kwame Brown were removed from the equation by injuries. He started the first 14 games, came off the bench in the next 17 games while he improved his work habits and his diet — no more junk food, lots more sleep — and returned to the starting lineup on Jan. 4 at Sacramento.
"It was a great learning experience for me," Bynum said of facing Howard. "He's really big and he's pretty strong and I've got to get a stronger base when I go against him."
Orlando Coach Brian Hill said that for Howard, immediately being thrust into a starting role was a product of necessity and merit.
"I wasn't here for Dwight's rookie year but I think obviously they felt that as the No. 1 pick, and with the team that they had, they needed to get him on the floor and develop as quickly as possible," Hill said. "If you're coming to a veteran team and a winning team, sometimes it's better for that guy to sit and learn and earn his time."
That's obviously a theory Jackson has adopted. Jackson also acknowledged the differences between the two players.
"Andrew has size and length and he's got the touch," Jackson said. "Andrew will end up shooting 17- and 18-foot jump shots. Howard is the type of player who's a power player. He doesn't have to rely as much on his touch as his size."
Howard, however, can't rely on his free-throw shooting. He hit only seven of 16 Friday, costly misses for the Magic and in keeping with his 65.6% success rate he took into the game. Like Bynum, he's quite accomplished, but both have a ways to go before they can be considered complete players. But for both players, time is on their side.
Both will definitely do their share of dominating, but I honestly believe Andrew Bynum will be the absolute most dominant player in the league when his prime comes...What about ya'll?
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Sorry NIK but IMO Howard easily.
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Sorry NIK but IMO Howard easily.
Are you going based off stats or off development as a player?
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Sorry NIK but IMO Howard easily.
Are you going based off stats or off development as a player?
a lil of both, I mean Bynum has a chance to be a force but Howard already is so thats why I chose him
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Bynum is so damn young though, Jermaine was the youngest player ever to set foot on a nba court till bynum came around. dude is so young its hard to tell.
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With no bias....it just seems like Howard is much better. I think Howard was doin better his rookie season than Bynum is now. I know that Bynum has a lot of growing and developing to do...but it'll take him years to get where Dwight is now...and it's no way to think that Dwight is even close to peaking already. He is a lot more athletic, has more skills overall, and just seems like he has it more. If I had to rate them...I'd say Dwight is a 82 right now, and Bynum is about 70....and at Dwight's peak, I see him being about 92-95, and at Bynum's peak, I see about 85 at highest. So basically...if Bynum can even be as good as Dwight is now, meaning he can drop 30 and 25, then I'll be amazed. But I can't let my Laker pride get in the way of my thinking, and saying that Bynum will be better.
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I've NEVER seen a CENTER improving so much so early like Bynum did. NEVER. So i go with him, man. Howard>Bynum at the moment, but if Bynum can continue developing like that, in two years, when he'll be 21, Bynum at 21 > Howard this year. AB, baby!
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Howard, no doubt.
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Bynum has more skills when Howard is a physical monster... even if he's still young, I got some doubts when it comes to Bynum mindset.. comments like "I don't care if I'm not in the starting 5, the important is I get minutes" aren't the right ones... ok he's still young, this factor can Xplain it but I don't know... I'm sure Andrew will be a very good player, a 15 pts, 8rbs type of player but will he reach his full potential to be unstoppable (I don't have doubts when it comes to Andrew skills)... the positive thing is Phil is great at correcting the weakness of players mindset so at the end of the day I think it'll work... About Howard he can't be fucked with when it comes to physical skills but he has to work on offensive moves a lot, he's already a good player, he will improve but he won't be no Shaq as some predicted..
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I'd be suprised if Bynum ever becomes as good as Howard is now.. as for Howard, no he will be nowhere near Shaq, noone ever will
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Let's compare Bynum's 2006/07 stats with Howard's 2004/05 stats (both 19 years old)
Points per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 17.6
BYNUM - 19.5
Rebounds per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 14.8
BYNUM - 14.1
Blocks per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 2.4
BYNUM - 4.1 (:o)
Pretty similiar stats. Bynum in 2 years will probably have the same stats Howard is averaging this year. So i'd take Bynum over Howard, even if Howard is promising and exciting as fuck too.
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Let's compare Bynum's 2006/07 stats with Howard's 2004/05 stats (both 19 years old)
Points per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 17.6
BYNUM - 19.5
Rebounds per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 14.8
BYNUM - 14.1
Blocks per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 2.4
BYNUM - 4.1 (:o)
Pretty similiar stats. Bynum in 2 years will probably have the same stats Howard is averaging this year. So i'd take Bynum over Howard, even if Howard is promising and exciting as fuck too.
Per 48 stats are VERY deceiving....especially in Bynum's case, since he doesn't even have the stamina to play 30 strong minutes, let alone 48.
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Let's compare Bynum's 2006/07 stats with Howard's 2004/05 stats (both 19 years old)
Points per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 17.6
BYNUM - 19.5
Rebounds per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 14.8
BYNUM - 14.1
Blocks per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 2.4
BYNUM - 4.1 (:o)
Pretty similiar stats. Bynum in 2 years will probably have the same stats Howard is averaging this year. So i'd take Bynum over Howard, even if Howard is promising and exciting as fuck too.
Per 48 stats are VERY deceiving....especially in Bynum's case, since he doesn't even have the stamina to play 30 strong minutes, let alone 48.
Shhhhh. He's trying to skew the numbers as much as possible, don't ruin it.
Both will definitely do their share of dominating, but I honestly believe Andrew Bynum will be the absolute most dominant player in the league when his prime comes...What about ya'll?
G never saw that coming ::)
I'd take Howard. He's more of a proven player and is already doing a lot of dominating. There's lots of players that have tons of potential that never materialize so I'd go with the one that has already established himself more.
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Let's compare Bynum's 2006/07 stats with Howard's 2004/05 stats (both 19 years old)
Points per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 17.6
BYNUM - 19.5
Rebounds per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 14.8
BYNUM - 14.1
Blocks per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 2.4
BYNUM - 4.1 (:o)
Pretty similiar stats. Bynum in 2 years will probably have the same stats Howard is averaging this year. So i'd take Bynum over Howard, even if Howard is promising and exciting as fuck too.
Per 48 stats are VERY deceiving....especially in Bynum's case, since he doesn't even have the stamina to play 30 strong minutes, let alone 48.
no shit, lets try posting the REAL stats and stop pretending Bynum is playing 48 mins. Hes actually playin 19 mins a game, and if he was good enough, would be playing 30-35 mins.
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LOL@Bynum won't be as good as Dwight is now. :-X :-X :-X 7even, you're showing me a new side of you today. Dwight Howard is a physical beast, he's a power player, not a skill player. he has no moves on offense so he relies on his strength, dunks off rebounds, off passes, etc... he still has developing ahead of him. Bynum has the skill-set, the back to the basket game, the blocking ability, the body to dominate opposing centers, and he's only 19 getting Phil Jackson minutes. Do you realize what a failure the Bynum project would be if he didn't even surpass Dwight's current level of play? And as of now, the project is flowing perfectly...You'll remember this in a few years...PeACe
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Let's compare Bynum's 2006/07 stats with Howard's 2004/05 stats (both 19 years old)
Points per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 17.6
BYNUM - 19.5
Rebounds per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 14.8
BYNUM - 14.1
Blocks per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 2.4
BYNUM - 4.1 (:o)
Pretty similiar stats. Bynum in 2 years will probably have the same stats Howard is averaging this year. So i'd take Bynum over Howard, even if Howard is promising and exciting as fuck too.
Per 48 stats are VERY deceiving....especially in Bynum's case, since he doesn't even have the stamina to play 30 strong minutes, let alone 48.
no shit, lets try posting the REAL stats and stop pretending Bynum is playing 48 mins. Hes actually playin 19 mins a game, and if he was good enough, would be playing 30-35 mins.
He'd easily be playing 30-35 minutes on a team like the Magic...
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Let's compare Bynum's 2006/07 stats with Howard's 2004/05 stats (both 19 years old)
Points per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 17.6
BYNUM - 19.5
Rebounds per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 14.8
BYNUM - 14.1
Blocks per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 2.4
BYNUM - 4.1 (:o)
Pretty similiar stats. Bynum in 2 years will probably have the same stats Howard is averaging this year. So i'd take Bynum over Howard, even if Howard is promising and exciting as fuck too.
Per 48 stats are VERY deceiving....especially in Bynum's case, since he doesn't even have the stamina to play 30 strong minutes, let alone 48.
no shit, lets try posting the REAL stats and stop pretending Bynum is playing 48 mins. Hes actually playin 19 mins a game, and if he was good enough, would be playing 30-35 mins.
He'd easily be playing 30-35 minutes on a team like the Magic...
He'd be starting over Howard?
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Let's compare Bynum's 2006/07 stats with Howard's 2004/05 stats (both 19 years old)
Points per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 17.6
BYNUM - 19.5
Rebounds per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 14.8
BYNUM - 14.1
Blocks per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 2.4
BYNUM - 4.1 (:o)
Pretty similiar stats. Bynum in 2 years will probably have the same stats Howard is averaging this year. So i'd take Bynum over Howard, even if Howard is promising and exciting as fuck too.
Per 48 stats are VERY deceiving....especially in Bynum's case, since he doesn't even have the stamina to play 30 strong minutes, let alone 48.
no shit, lets try posting the REAL stats and stop pretending Bynum is playing 48 mins. Hes actually playin 19 mins a game, and if he was good enough, would be playing 30-35 mins.
He'd easily be playing 30-35 minutes on a team like the Magic...
He'd be starting over Howard?
Dwight Howard = PF-C.
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Let's compare Bynum's 2006/07 stats with Howard's 2004/05 stats (both 19 years old)
Points per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 17.6
BYNUM - 19.5
Rebounds per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 14.8
BYNUM - 14.1
Blocks per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 2.4
BYNUM - 4.1 (:o)
Pretty similiar stats. Bynum in 2 years will probably have the same stats Howard is averaging this year. So i'd take Bynum over Howard, even if Howard is promising and exciting as fuck too.
Per 48 stats are VERY deceiving....especially in Bynum's case, since he doesn't even have the stamina to play 30 strong minutes, let alone 48.
no shit, lets try posting the REAL stats and stop pretending Bynum is playing 48 mins. Hes actually playin 19 mins a game, and if he was good enough, would be playing 30-35 mins.
He'd easily be playing 30-35 minutes on a team like the Magic...
He'd be starting over Howard?
Dwight Howard = PF-C.
Dwight Howard = C-PF
http://www.nba.com/magic/roster/ (http://www.nba.com/magic/roster/)
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Let's compare Bynum's 2006/07 stats with Howard's 2004/05 stats (both 19 years old)
Points per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 17.6
BYNUM - 19.5
Rebounds per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 14.8
BYNUM - 14.1
Blocks per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 2.4
BYNUM - 4.1 (:o)
Pretty similiar stats. Bynum in 2 years will probably have the same stats Howard is averaging this year. So i'd take Bynum over Howard, even if Howard is promising and exciting as fuck too.
Per 48 stats are VERY deceiving....especially in Bynum's case, since he doesn't even have the stamina to play 30 strong minutes, let alone 48.
no shit, lets try posting the REAL stats and stop pretending Bynum is playing 48 mins. Hes actually playin 19 mins a game, and if he was good enough, would be playing 30-35 mins.
He'd easily be playing 30-35 minutes on a team like the Magic...
He'd be starting over Howard?
Dwight Howard = PF-C.
Dwight Howard = C-PF
http://www.nba.com/magic/roster/ (http://www.nba.com/magic/roster/)
Is this a joke? LOL...Same fuckin' thing, man...
The point was:
C Andrew Bynum
PF Dwight Howard
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Let's compare Bynum's 2006/07 stats with Howard's 2004/05 stats (both 19 years old)
Points per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 17.6
BYNUM - 19.5
Rebounds per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 14.8
BYNUM - 14.1
Blocks per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 2.4
BYNUM - 4.1 (:o)
Pretty similiar stats. Bynum in 2 years will probably have the same stats Howard is averaging this year. So i'd take Bynum over Howard, even if Howard is promising and exciting as fuck too.
Per 48 stats are VERY deceiving....especially in Bynum's case, since he doesn't even have the stamina to play 30 strong minutes, let alone 48.
no shit, lets try posting the REAL stats and stop pretending Bynum is playing 48 mins. Hes actually playin 19 mins a game, and if he was good enough, would be playing 30-35 mins.
He'd easily be playing 30-35 minutes on a team like the Magic...
He'd be starting over Howard?
Dwight Howard = PF-C.
Dwight Howard = C-PF
http://www.nba.com/magic/roster/ (http://www.nba.com/magic/roster/)
Is this a joke? LOL...Same fuckin' thing, man...
The point was:
C Andrew Bynum
PF Dwight Howard
LOL@ this dumbass. It's not the same fuckin thing. Notice they list Darko as F-C. Their natural position is listed first.
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Let's compare Bynum's 2006/07 stats with Howard's 2004/05 stats (both 19 years old)
Points per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 17.6
BYNUM - 19.5
Rebounds per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 14.8
BYNUM - 14.1
Blocks per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 2.4
BYNUM - 4.1 (:o)
Pretty similiar stats. Bynum in 2 years will probably have the same stats Howard is averaging this year. So i'd take Bynum over Howard, even if Howard is promising and exciting as fuck too.
Per 48 stats are VERY deceiving....especially in Bynum's case, since he doesn't even have the stamina to play 30 strong minutes, let alone 48.
no shit, lets try posting the REAL stats and stop pretending Bynum is playing 48 mins. Hes actually playin 19 mins a game, and if he was good enough, would be playing 30-35 mins.
He'd easily be playing 30-35 minutes on a team like the Magic...
He'd be starting over Howard?
Dwight Howard = PF-C.
Dwight Howard = C-PF
http://www.nba.com/magic/roster/ (http://www.nba.com/magic/roster/)
Is this a joke? LOL...Same fuckin' thing, man...
The point was:
C Andrew Bynum
PF Dwight Howard
LOL@ this dumbass. It's not the same fuckin thing. Notice they list Darko as F-C. Their natural position is listed first.
Wow, you really need help, man...Notice how some sites list him as a PF-C, idiot:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3818
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Let's compare Bynum's 2006/07 stats with Howard's 2004/05 stats (both 19 years old)
Points per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 17.6
BYNUM - 19.5
Rebounds per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 14.8
BYNUM - 14.1
Blocks per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 2.4
BYNUM - 4.1 (:o)
Pretty similiar stats. Bynum in 2 years will probably have the same stats Howard is averaging this year. So i'd take Bynum over Howard, even if Howard is promising and exciting as fuck too.
Per 48 stats are VERY deceiving....especially in Bynum's case, since he doesn't even have the stamina to play 30 strong minutes, let alone 48.
no shit, lets try posting the REAL stats and stop pretending Bynum is playing 48 mins. Hes actually playin 19 mins a game, and if he was good enough, would be playing 30-35 mins.
He'd easily be playing 30-35 minutes on a team like the Magic...
He'd be starting over Howard?
Dwight Howard = PF-C.
Dwight Howard = C-PF
http://www.nba.com/magic/roster/ (http://www.nba.com/magic/roster/)
Is this a joke? LOL...Same fuckin' thing, man...
The point was:
C Andrew Bynum
PF Dwight Howard
LOL@ this dumbass. It's not the same fuckin thing. Notice they list Darko as F-C. Their natural position is listed first.
Wow, you really need help, man...Notice how some sites list him as a PF-C, idiot:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3818
I'll take the official NBA site over Yahoo Sports everytime.
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nobody knows, we can argue all day...you gotta give each guy more then 2 years to be CLOSE to being able to tell..
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Let's compare Bynum's 2006/07 stats with Howard's 2004/05 stats (both 19 years old)
Points per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 17.6
BYNUM - 19.5
Rebounds per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 14.8
BYNUM - 14.1
Blocks per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 2.4
BYNUM - 4.1 (:o)
Pretty similiar stats. Bynum in 2 years will probably have the same stats Howard is averaging this year. So i'd take Bynum over Howard, even if Howard is promising and exciting as fuck too.
Per 48 stats are VERY deceiving....especially in Bynum's case, since he doesn't even have the stamina to play 30 strong minutes, let alone 48.
no shit, lets try posting the REAL stats and stop pretending Bynum is playing 48 mins. Hes actually playin 19 mins a game, and if he was good enough, would be playing 30-35 mins.
He'd easily be playing 30-35 minutes on a team like the Magic...
He'd be starting over Howard?
Dwight Howard = PF-C.
Dwight Howard = C-PF
http://www.nba.com/magic/roster/ (http://www.nba.com/magic/roster/)
Is this a joke? LOL...Same fuckin' thing, man...
The point was:
C Andrew Bynum
PF Dwight Howard
LOL@ this dumbass. It's not the same fuckin thing. Notice they list Darko as F-C. Their natural position is listed first.
Wow, you really need help, man...Notice how some sites list him as a PF-C, idiot:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3818
I'll take the official NBA site over Yahoo Sports everytime.
Notice how you avoided the main point to ride my nuts over something petty, just like in the Gary Payton thread. :loser:
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Like NIK said, Bynum has a better offensive game and already is one of the best passing big men in the league if not the best. And is a very good shot blocker, he keeps alot of blocked shots in bounds which sparks fast breaks. Howard is a beast though. I think he is a better rebounder than Drew but he needs and is working on his offensive moves. Dwight is a little more assertive than Drew, I think alot of that come down to personality. Drew is laid back but when he is aggressive he is tough to stop.
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Sorry NIK but IMO Howard easily.
Are you going based off stats or off development as a player?
Dwight Howard still wins both catagories.
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Let's compare Bynum's 2006/07 stats with Howard's 2004/05 stats (both 19 years old)
Points per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 17.6
BYNUM - 19.5
Rebounds per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 14.8
BYNUM - 14.1
Blocks per 48 mins:
HOWARD - 2.4
BYNUM - 4.1 (:o)
Pretty similiar stats. Bynum in 2 years will probably have the same stats Howard is averaging this year. So i'd take Bynum over Howard, even if Howard is promising and exciting as fuck too.
Per 48 stats are VERY deceiving....especially in Bynum's case, since he doesn't even have the stamina to play 30 strong minutes, let alone 48.
no shit, lets try posting the REAL stats and stop pretending Bynum is playing 48 mins. Hes actually playin 19 mins a game, and if he was good enough, would be playing 30-35 mins.
He'd easily be playing 30-35 minutes on a team like the Magic...
He'd be starting over Howard?
Dwight Howard = PF-C.
Dwight Howard = C-PF
http://www.nba.com/magic/roster/ (http://www.nba.com/magic/roster/)
Is this a joke? LOL...Same fuckin' thing, man...
The point was:
C Andrew Bynum
PF Dwight Howard
LOL@ this dumbass. It's not the same fuckin thing. Notice they list Darko as F-C. Their natural position is listed first.
Wow, you really need help, man...Notice how some sites list him as a PF-C, idiot:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/3818
I'll take the official NBA site over Yahoo Sports everytime.
Notice how you avoided the main point to ride my nuts over something petty, just like in the Gary Payton thread. :loser:
Get off my nuts bitch.
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Sorry NIK but IMO Howard easily.
Are you going based off stats or off development as a player?
Dwight Howard still wins both catagories.
Are you serious? Dwight Howard progressed as much in his second year as Andrew Bynum? LOL.
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Sorry NIK but IMO Howard easily.
Are you going based off stats or off development as a player?
Dwight Howard still wins both catagories.
Are you serious? Dwight Howard progressed as much in his second year as Andrew Bynum? LOL.
All this stuff about Bynum progressing is crap. Of course he looks better than he did last season...he's actually getting playing time. a 7-footer only putting up 7 points & 5 rebounds a game doesn't impress me. Dwight Howard in his rookie season was already putting up 12/12.
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Sorry NIK but IMO Howard easily.
Are you going based off stats or off development as a player?
Dwight Howard still wins both catagories.
Are you serious? Dwight Howard progressed as much in his second year as Andrew Bynum? LOL.
All this stuff about Bynum progressing is crap.
WTF? LMAO!!! I just got the feeling that you don't watch many Laker games...Either that, or you don't know what the hell is going on around you while you're watching.
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Sorry NIK but IMO Howard easily.
Are you going based off stats or off development as a player?
Dwight Howard still wins both catagories.
Are you serious? Dwight Howard progressed as much in his second year as Andrew Bynum? LOL.
All this stuff about Bynum progressing is crap.
WTF? LMAO!!! I just got the feeling that you don't watch many Laker games...Either that, or you don't know what the hell is going on around you while you're watching.
Would you feel that way if Bynum was on the Heat or the Suns?
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Bynum is a 2nd string center in Fantasy Leagues, more valuable than former fantasy studs like Chris Wilcox and Drew Gooden! Almost 2 blocks a game in less than 20 minutes! And why are you playing down his numbers? He's closer to 8 points and 6 rebounds with only 5 field goals attempted a game!
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Sorry NIK but IMO Howard easily.
Are you going based off stats or off development as a player?
Dwight Howard still wins both catagories.
Are you serious? Dwight Howard progressed as much in his second year as Andrew Bynum? LOL.
All this stuff about Bynum progressing is crap.
WTF? LMAO!!! I just got the feeling that you don't watch many Laker games...Either that, or you don't know what the hell is going on around you while you're watching.
Would you feel that way if Bynum was on the Heat or the Suns?
I wouldn't watch him as closely, but I'd NEVER deny his progression. :-X
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Bynum is more of a Chris Bosh type of player.
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Bynum is a 2nd string center in Fantasy Leagues, more valuable than former fantasy studs like Chris Wilcox and Drew Gooden! Almost 2 blocks a game in less than 20 minutes! And why are you playing down his numbers? He's closer to 8 points and 6 rebounds with only 5 field goals attempted a game!
Lol okay? If that makes you feel better. Never-the-less, a 7-footer putting up 7 8 & 5 6 still isn't breath-taking. I'll give him credit for his shot-blocking ability, but until he can be consistant and average more rebounds than a guard...I'm not gonna kiss his ass.
And like I said...if he was on the Heat or the Suns I'm positive you wouldn't be on his nuts like that.
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Bynum is a 2nd string center in Fantasy Leagues, more valuable than former fantasy studs like Chris Wilcox and Drew Gooden! Almost 2 blocks a game in less than 20 minutes! And why are you playing down his numbers? He's closer to 8 points and 6 rebounds with only 5 field goals attempted a game!
Lol okay? If that makes you feel better. Never-the-less, a 7-footer putting up 7 8 & 5 6 still isn't breath-taking. I'll give him credit for his shot-blocking ability, but until he can be consistant and average more rebounds than a guard...I'm not gonna kiss his ass.
And like I said...if he was on the Heat or the Suns I'm positive you wouldn't be on his nuts like that.
Putting up 8 points on 5 shots and 6 boards in less than 20 mins at the age of 19 isn't impressive to you? Kill yourself now, "Laker fan"...Make sure you're wearing your Amare Stoudemire jersey while you do it too...
LOL. This guy has NO IDEA what player development is, he just reads his online stats and thinks he knows basketball. :grumpy:
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And why would I root for a guy who's not on my team? Who am I...you? LOL.
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Bynum is a 2nd string center in Fantasy Leagues, more valuable than former fantasy studs like Chris Wilcox and Drew Gooden! Almost 2 blocks a game in less than 20 minutes! And why are you playing down his numbers? He's closer to 8 points and 6 rebounds with only 5 field goals attempted a game!
Lol okay? If that makes you feel better. Never-the-less, a 7-footer putting up 7 8 & 5 6 still isn't breath-taking. I'll give him credit for his shot-blocking ability, but until he can be consistant and average more rebounds than a guard...I'm not gonna kiss his ass.
And like I said...if he was on the Heat or the Suns I'm positive you wouldn't be on his nuts like that.
Putting up 8 points on 5 shots and 6 boards in less than 20 mins at the age of 19 isn't impressive to you? Kill yourself now, "Laker fan"...Make sure you're wearing your Amare Stoudemire jersey while you do it too...
LOL. This guy has NO IDEA what player development is, he just reads his online stats and thinks he knows basketball. :grumpy:
Lol I know just what to say to get under your skin. Go look up what Stoudemire put up at the age of 19/20 and what Dwight Howard did in his rookie season. Bynum doesn't deserved to be mentioned with those players.
Go call your lil boyfriend and start a revolt against me.
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^^You're sad, man...Bynum will be putting Amare to shame in a few years, and you'll remember me when he's doing it. The only reason he's not putting up monster numbers now is because Phil has been giving him inconsistant minutes. He's had those games with 11 minutes, 2-2 FG, 4 poins, 3 rebounds, but then there's the games where he got 30 minutes, 6-9 FG, 20 points, 14 rebounds, 3 blocks...
You with your fuckin numbers... what Bynum did at 19 is more impressive to me than what Dwight did at 19...If Bynum was drafted this year number 1 overall by a shitty Magic team, or drafted by a whack ass Suns team, believe me his numbers would be way more impressive than they are now...What you fail to realize though is that you're SUPPOSED to be a LAKER FAN (not Magic fan, not Suns fan), our franchise does things much differently and we have much higher expectations... Your mind-state amazes me. :stupid:
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^^^Not every laker fan is a fuckbag and can admit when another player / team is better.
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^^^Not every laker fan is a fuckbag and can admit when another player / team is better.
I can admit that Dwight Howard is better NOW...try harder to comprehend what I'm saying.
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Bynum is also averaging about 10 rebounds a game since he took over the starting spot for an injured Kwame... 8)
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^^^Not every laker fan is a fuckbag and can admit when another player / team is better.
I can admit that Dwight Howard is better NOW...try harder to comprehend what I'm saying.
No, everytime that somebody that's a Lakers fan expresses a different opinion than yours, you accuse them of not being a real fan. You're dillusional and its wierd.
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^^Actually, there are only 2 "Laker fans" on this board...And this isn't the reason.
Check:
Mavs are great. I love the chemistry they have together. I'm lookin forward to seeing them win the championship this summer.
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^^Actually, there are only 2 "Laker fans" on this board...And this isn't the reason.
Check:
Mavs are great. I love the chemistry they have together. I'm lookin forward to seeing them win the championship this summer.
LOL, who nominated your goofy ass to determine who's a fan and who's not? What your dumbass doesn't realize is that mature sports fans can appreciate good teams / players / performances when you see them. I guarantee you I have much closer ties to some sports programs than you and I can still appreciate other teams.
I love the fuckin Bengals with a passion, but I'm pumped up watching the Pats / Chargers today. I wanted the Bengals to win the Super Bowl but that doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching other great teams out there. And yes, at any given point in the season if you would have asked me who was gonna be in the superbowl I woulda said Chargers / Bears. That doesn't mean I'm not a fan, it means that i'm rational and form opinions out of logic rather than emotions. You should try it sometime.
You think you're all knowing when it comes to the NBA, but the fact is you're so blinded by your Kobe obsession that nobody takes your word seriously. I mean really, look at this thread alone - it's 6-2 in favor of Howard. Looks like you're in the minority on your opinion. Gee, you think that you and "the only other Laker fan" on here are the ones that voted for Bynum? Get the fuck outta here, you're a clown.
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You love when all the Laker haters agree with you, huh? laugh
No, everytime that somebody that's a Lakers fan expresses a different opinion than yours, you accuse them of not being a real fan. You're dillusional and its wierd.
^thats the bottom line.
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You love when all the Laker haters agree with you, huh? laugh
No, everytime that somebody that's a Lakers fan expresses a different opinion than yours, you accuse them of not being a real fan. You're dillusional and its wierd.
^thats the bottom line.
You're STILL not a Laker fan...Even the humble RIK knows what's up... :-*
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Dwight Howard this 7 foot nigga is a beast, NBA's gona be his in 5 years.
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Jrome is a tool
I agree.
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You love when all the Laker haters agree with you, huh? laugh
No, everytime that somebody that's a Lakers fan expresses a different opinion than yours, you accuse them of not being a real fan. You're dillusional and its wierd.
^thats the bottom line.
You're STILL not a Laker fan...Even the humble RIK knows what's up... :-*
oh well shiet if rik say it i guess it must be true ::)
like i said, if it makes you sleep better at night, go ahead and pm all your lil net buddies to jump in and take your side. makes me no difference.
lmao @ losers deciding who is and isn't a fan.
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Dwight Howard this 7 foot nigga is a beast, NBA's gona be his in 5 years.
5 years? all he has to do is avoid injuries and he'll easily be one of the best sooner than that.
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Dwight Howard this 7 foot nigga is a beast, NBA's gona be his in 5 years.
5 years? all he has to do is avoid injuries and he'll easily be one of the best sooner than that.
nah, he need to wait for shaq to retire
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You love when all the Laker haters agree with you, huh? laugh
No, everytime that somebody that's a Lakers fan expresses a different opinion than yours, you accuse them of not being a real fan. You're dillusional and its wierd.
^thats the bottom line.
You're STILL not a Laker fan...Even the humble RIK knows what's up... :-*
oh well shiet if rik say it i guess it must be true ::)
like i said, if it makes you sleep better at night, go ahead and pm all your lil net buddies to jump in and take your side. makes me no difference.
lmao @ losers deciding who is and isn't a fan.
Whatever helps ME sleep better at night? LOL. You're the one with more than a couple "fellow fans" questioning your fan status. :D
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You love when all the Laker haters agree with you, huh? laugh
No, everytime that somebody that's a Lakers fan expresses a different opinion than yours, you accuse them of not being a real fan. You're dillusional and its wierd.
^thats the bottom line.
You're STILL not a Laker fan...Even the humble RIK knows what's up... :-*
oh well shiet if rik say it i guess it must be true ::)
like i said, if it makes you sleep better at night, go ahead and pm all your lil net buddies to jump in and take your side. makes me no difference.
lmao @ losers deciding who is and isn't a fan.
Whatever helps ME sleep better at night? LOL. You're the one with more than a couple "fellow fans" questioning your fan status. :D
like i said...makes me no difference. i don't value net friendships like you do.
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You love when all the Laker haters agree with you, huh? laugh
No, everytime that somebody that's a Lakers fan expresses a different opinion than yours, you accuse them of not being a real fan. You're dillusional and its wierd.
^thats the bottom line.
You're STILL not a Laker fan...Even the humble RIK knows what's up... :-*
oh well shiet if rik say it i guess it must be true ::)
like i said, if it makes you sleep better at night, go ahead and pm all your lil net buddies to jump in and take your side. makes me no difference.
lmao @ losers deciding who is and isn't a fan.
Whatever helps ME sleep better at night? LOL. You're the one with more than a couple "fellow fans" questioning your fan status. :D
like i said...makes me no difference. i don't value net friendships like you do.
I don't have any net friends, there are only a few cool posters on WCC, and the only ones I talk to outside of this website are the ones I know in person...And you STILL aint a Laker fan...PeACe
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Jrome is a tool
Based on what?
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Shhhhh. He's trying to skew the numbers as much as possible, don't ruin it.
Don't act like an idiot with me. I don't know you, you don't know me, so if you wanna argue with me do it writing something interesting and not this type of bullshit. Do you really think it's the same thing to be drafted at 17 or 19? Do you really think it's the same to get drafted by the Lakers or the shitty Magic? Do you think it's the same to be the most important guy in the playbook of your team being a rookie or being the 12nd-13rd man in the rotation? Do you think it's the same to be the 12-13rd man in a franchise who almost defeated Phoenix in the Play Off or to be "the guy" in a team with a .439 (36-46) no-playoff record? C'mon now. Think about it. Howard has had the best scenario possible (a shitty team build around him) to perform well. Bynum, with Zen as a coach, was considered a good C for the D-fenders. It's harder, being 2 years smaller and being in Bynum's situation. No matter that, Bynum is still emerging as a great prospect, and when he's averaging 30-35 mins, he's doing great things on the court. If you consider he's now 19, so he's like Howard in his rookie year, i think he's performing extremely well. In two years he'll be like Howard is now. A monster. Plus, like i said, i've never seen a CENTER improving so much so quickly in my life. Do you remember another CENTER having a better improvement? This guy is still LEARNING the game. He's still working on his body to get an NBA body. He's still learing a couple of moves from Kareem. But Kareem (not me or you) loves the dude, and he's ready to bet his reputation on him. If i'm the GM, i refuse an Howard-Bynum trade. I'm happy with the 19 years old dude. He's a project. We spent time, an high draft pick and the reputation on this project, so i wanna see the guy in 2-3 years, when he'll be 21-22. And fuck Howard. He's a great promising player, but i'm a Laker fan, and i'm happy with Bynum really.
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Jrome is a tool
I agree.
LOL at my fanclub. Get off my nuts bitch
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Shhhhh. He's trying to skew the numbers as much as possible, don't ruin it.
Don't act like an idiot with me. I don't know you, you don't know me, so if you wanna argue with me do it writing something interesting and not this type of bullshit. Do you really think it's the same thing to be drafted at 17 or 19? Do you really think it's the same to get drafted by the Lakers or the shitty Magic? Do you think it's the same to be the most important guy in the playbook of your team being a rookie or being the 12nd-13rd man in the rotation? Do you think it's the same to be the 12-13rd man in a franchise who almost defeated Phoenix in the Play Off or to be "the guy" in a team with a .439 (36-46) no-playoff record? C'mon now. Think about it. Howard has had the best scenario possible (a shitty team build around him) to perform well. Bynum, with Zen as a coach, was considered a good C for the D-fenders. It's harder, being 2 years smaller and being in Bynum's situation. No matter that, Bynum is still emerging as a great prospect, and when he's averaging 30-35 mins, he's doing great things on the court. If you consider he's now 19, so he's like Howard in his rookie year, i think he's performing extremely well. In two years he'll be like Howard is now. A monster. Plus, like i said, i've never seen a CENTER improving so much so quickly in my life. Do you remember another CENTER having a better improvement? This guy is still LEARNING the game. He's still working on his body to get an NBA body. He's still learing a couple of moves from Kareem. But Kareem (not me or you) loves the dude, and he's ready to bet his reputation on him. If i'm the GM, i refuse an Howard-Bynum trade. I'm happy with the 19 years old dude. He's a project. We spent time, an high draft pick and the reputation on this project, so i wanna see the guy in 2-3 years, when he'll be 21-22. And fuck Howard. He's a great promising player, but i'm a Laker fan, and i'm happy with Bynum really.
I don't know anybody on this board bruh. If you get upset when people call bullshit on your posts then don't post. All I did was back up what R-Tistic said that your stats were based on per 48 mins played which vastly skews the numbers. Your rant on who's better or whatever is pointless because all I did was endorse someone elses exposure of your propaganda.
It's like that other thread where everybody was slobbin Kobe's jersey sales saying he was tops in the league, when in reality he wasn't tops in the nation, just at the NBA store in NY and online. I'm just setting the facts straight. Don't hate the facts homie.
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Jrome is a tool
we cool now, but with that whole hardcore cam'ron is god phase you went thru you're in no position to call anyone a tool.
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I don't know anybody on this board bruh. If you get upset when people call bullshit on your posts then don't post.
I don't. I get upset when people doesn't try to explain their OWN opinion, and they use those childish posts like your. You can do better.
All I did was back up what R-Tistic said that your stats were based on per 48 mins played which vastly skews the numbers. Your rant on who's better or whatever is pointless because all I did was endorse someone elses exposure of your propaganda.
It wasn't a propaganda. Man i already explained you why you can't simply compare stats of a player who's the best in his (shitty) team with another one who's a backup C in a Phil Jackson team. So i used the 48 mins per game just to say that Bynum has the potential too, to reach Howard's status in 2 years, when he'll be 21 too. That's the only stats i can use, along with the one who compares his first season with the second, and his big development. Reply to what i wrote. Do you agree or disagree? LOL. All you did was to call bullshit on my post and call it a propaganda, but you have nothing better to say to prove me i'm wrong.
It's like that other thread where everybody was slobbin Kobe's jersey sales saying he was tops in the league, when in reality he wasn't tops in the nation, just at the NBA store in NY and online. I'm just setting the facts straight. Don't hate the facts homie.
I couldn't care less about Kobe's jersey sales. Facts are you can't compare the stats the way you're doing.
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Jrome is a tool
Based on what?
you seem to instigate alot of stuff with NIK
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I don't know anybody on this board bruh. If you get upset when people call bullshit on your posts then don't post.
No, that's not the point. I like when people disagree with me. That's a forum. I wanna argue with people, not wanting them to simply quote me. But if you wanna argue with me, do it my way. No disrespect for the other people's opinion, and write your OWN opinion so i can read it and reply to you. That's it.
As I read what you had wrote about comparing the stats I was going to comment on how thats an invalid comparison, but R-Tistic beat me to it. There's so much shit on here posted about how everything that's not Laker related is wack so I'm just trying to provide a balance.
Propaganda? ::)
I already explained you why you can't simply compare stats of a player who's the best in his (SHITTY) team with another one who's a backup C in a Phil Jackson team.
So i used the 48 mins per game just to say that Bynum has the potential too, to reach Howard's status in 2 years, when he'll be 21 too.
That's the only stat i can use, along with the one who compares his first season with the second, and his big development.
Oh I understand what you did. You can manipulate statistics to say pretty much anything. And to your credit, you did and it aided the arguement well. I just wanted to make sure that everybody was aware of your flawed logic but R-Tistic beat me to it.
I couldn't care less about Kobe's jersey sales. Facts are you can't compare the stats the way you're doing. And it's logical. Just think about it.
Yes, but my point isn't whether or not you care about his sales. It's about all the bullshit that gets spouted off in this section as fact when it's either A) Opinion; or B) Incorrect. So when I saw your stats comparison, I thought it fit that mold so I called you on it.
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Jrome is a tool
Based on what?
you seem to instigate alot of stuff with NIK
we cool now, but with that whole hardcore cam'ron is god phase you went thru you're in no position to call anyone a tool.
For real though. And how many times you go at it with Grundy? So just walk away.
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Yes, but my point isn't whether or not you care about his sales. It's about all the bullshit that gets spouted off in this section as fact when it's either A) Opinion; or B) Incorrect. So when I saw your stats comparison, I thought it fit that mold so I called you on it.
What the hell are you talkin about?
http://www.hoopsology.com/article.php3?ArticleID=2468
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Yes, but my point isn't whether or not you care about his sales. It's about all the bullshit that gets spouted off in this section as fact when it's either A) Opinion; or B) Incorrect. So when I saw your stats comparison, I thought it fit that mold so I called you on it.
What the hell are you talkin about?
http://www.hoopsology.com/article.php3?ArticleID=2468
OH MY GOD. LMFAO@ this retard. Every article CLEARLY states that he has the top selling jersey at the official store in NY and on NBAstore.com. In nationwide sales, he's still anywhere from 3rd to 5th most popular. Step up your comprehension game, lol. This shit has been posted numerous times now and you still can't grasp it. I highlighted for you so you wouldn't confuse yourself with all those words. LMFAO!
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2727029 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=2727029)ESPN.com news services
Kobe Bryant again has the most popular jersey at NBA stores.
Bryant changed from No. 8 to No. 24 this season, and the switch probably had a lot to do with his moving up from fourth to first in jersey sales at the NBA Store in New York and at the league's online market.
Bryant, who last topped the NBA's list during the 2002-03 season, passed the Miami Heat's Dwyane Wade in jersey sales in NBA stores, but Neil Schwartz, who tracks sporting good sales for SportsOneSource, said Bryant's shirt is still anywhere from third to fifth in popularity nationwide.
The NBA's rankings are based on jersey sales at the NBA Store on Fifth Avenue in New York and at NBAStore.com from the start of the 2006-07 season through Dec. 31.
Schwartz said Bryant's jersey sales were hurt more by his feud with Shaquille O'Neal and the breakup of the championship Lakers than the scandal surrounding rape accusations in Colorado.
"I don't see this as a renaissance of his popularity," Schwartz said. "I see this as a great marketing ploy."
Wade, who had been on top since May 2005, fell to No. 2, one spot above LeBron James. Allen Iverson, helped by his trade to Denver, jumped from seventh to fourth, and Nuggets teammate Carmelo Anthony rounded out the top five.
Bryant helped the Lakers remain No. 1 in the team merchandise category for the fifth consecutive season. The NBA champion Heat moved up one spot to second.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
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That's just an ESPN guesstimate, man. The NBA ranks its jersey sales based on NBA.com and the Official NBA Store every year! LMFAO@this paranoid hater thinking there's a Laker fan conspiracy distorting Kobe's true jersey sales :laugh:.
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LMFAO@this paranoid hater thinking there's a Laker fan conspiracy distorting Kobe's true jersey sales :laugh:.
i bet kobe bought a couple thousand him self,
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LOL. That's just an ESPN guesstimate, man. The NBA ranks its jersey sales based on NBA.com and the Official NBA Store every year!
HAHAHAHA damn dog you are straight flustered huh? First you replied to that old thread with an attempt to prove me wrong about the jersey sales. Then you obviously read this and modified that comment, lol. Then you really knew you had nothing so you deleted your comment all together. LMAO! I saw the whole thing, it was HILARIOUS. Then you clicked your diss button, and now your scrambling to save face.
And LMFAO at "an ESPN guesstimate". First, the quote is from a guy who works for SportsOneSource which provides facts and info for sporting goods industry information. He's in no way affiliated with ESPN. Secondly, that story was picked up from the AP Wire, it wasn't even written by ESPN. They simply reported it.
And you're absolutely right - It's the leading seller at the Official NBA Store in NY and at nbastore.com. (I've established this in every discussion, lol). BUT IT'S NOT THE TOP SELLING JERSEY IN THE NATION.
*drops mic and walks off stage*
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LOL. That's just an ESPN guesstimate, man. The NBA ranks its jersey sales based on NBA.com and the Official NBA Store every year!
HAHAHAHA damn dog you are straight flustered huh? First you replied to that old thread with an attempt to prove me wrong about the jersey sales. Then you obviously read this and modified that comment, lol. Then you really knew you had nothing so you deleted your comment all together. LMAO! I saw the whole thing, it was HILARIOUS. Then you clicked your diss button, and now your scrambling to save face.
And LMFAO at "an ESPN guesstimate". First, the quote is from a guy who works for SportsOneSource which provides facts and info for sporting goods industry information. He's in no way affiliated with ESPN. Secondly, that story was picked up from the AP Wire, it wasn't even written by ESPN. They simply reported it.
And you're absolutely right - It's the leading seller at the Official NBA Store in NY and at nbastore.com. (I've established this in every discussion, lol). BUT IT'S NOT THE TOP SELLING JERSEY IN THE NATION.
*drops mic and walks off stage*
Not really, don't get too excited man. LOL... I just never saw that 3rd to 5th figure cuz I only skimmed through the 2nd article. Still doesn't mean shit, NBA STILL ranks its jersey sales based on the system originally posted. The reason I said "ESPN guesstimate" is because ESPN is known as a biased network, and it figures that they'd throw in some guesstimate to play down Kobe being ranked 1st by the NBA, especially considering the fact that Neil Schwartz is a nobody and might as well not have given a guesstimate if the best he can do is 3rd through 5th...Try a little harder...PeACe
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I don't know anybody on this board bruh. If you get upset when people call bullshit on your posts then don't post.
No, that's not the point. I like when people disagree with me. That's a forum. I wanna argue with people, not wanting them to simply quote me. But if you wanna argue with me, do it my way. No disrespect for the other people's opinion, and write your OWN opinion so i can read it and reply to you. That's it.
As I read what you had wrote about comparing the stats I was going to comment on how thats an invalid comparison, but R-Tistic beat me to it. There's so much shit on here posted about how everything that's not Laker related is wack so I'm just trying to provide a balance.
Propaganda? ::)
I already explained you why you can't simply compare stats of a player who's the best in his (SHITTY) team with another one who's a backup C in a Phil Jackson team.
So i used the 48 mins per game just to say that Bynum has the potential too, to reach Howard's status in 2 years, when he'll be 21 too.
That's the only stat i can use, along with the one who compares his first season with the second, and his big development.
Oh I understand what you did. You can manipulate statistics to say pretty much anything. And to your credit, you did and it aided the arguement well. I just wanted to make sure that everybody was aware of your flawed logic but R-Tistic beat me to it.
I couldn't care less about Kobe's jersey sales. Facts are you can't compare the stats the way you're doing. And it's logical. Just think about it.
Yes, but my point isn't whether or not you care about his sales. It's about all the bullshit that gets spouted off in this section as fact when it's either A) Opinion; or B) Incorrect. So when I saw your stats comparison, I thought it fit that mold so I called you on it.
Naw. The fact i'm a Laker fan doesn't mean i don't appreciate other players outside the ones in purple & gold. But in this case i really appreciate Bynum so much i'm supporting him in this topic. A kid (litterally) working with Kareem trying to be "the new Kareem" is like a dream for an old school Laker fan like me. And watching this guy having a good impact on a Phil Jackson team being 19 is making me proud of him and the organization. Howard is a beast, but keep in mind he was drafted by a shitty team who had nobody better than a 19-years-old kid coming off high school when they drafted him. When you are the leader of a team from day-1, it's easier. You get confidence, you get your teammates giving you the ball, you have the coach adjusting playbooks for you, you have a GM trading players to fit your game style. It's different. I'll make you another example. Kobe Bryant and LeBron James. If you look at the stats, LeBron has had a better impact. But i disagree. I mean you can't simply compare them. Different situations, different scenario's. Kobe was a 17 years old in a world where rookies where 24 years old coming off college. And he was 17 in the Lakers, with fan favourite Eddie Jones playing SG. People didn't like 17 years old guys, just like they didn't like European players (and now we have an italian - and i'm proud of it being italian myself - being drafted with the #1 pick). Now the scenario is totally different. Now most of the rookies doesn't even go to college, or if they do 30-40% (maybe less) of them get a degree. Plus LeBron had Cleveland on his dick even before he started to play for the team. Totally different. I'm not saying LeBron ain't good... i'm saying he was put in a totally different scenario than Kobe, man. So you can't compare stats the "normal" way without considering those things. Bynum is like Kobe. A 17 years old, starting as a backup, in the best franchise of the NBA. I live it like a dream. Like another ride. This topic is about POTENTIAL. It's not "who's better now". It's "who will end up the better big?". It's no math. It's passion, and faith. I keep the faith in Bynum. Everything is working great and he CAN really develope into a superstar Center with all the tools to be dominant. Dwight? He'll probably be one of his rival. I don't hate on him. I wish him all the best. But i go with Bynum. In 2 years, when he'll be 21, he'll be a monster.
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Yo Nik why do you start a thread and then ask for our opinion and then bitch to everyone about how they are haters or not a true laker fan, it's fuckin bullshit next time you ask for our opinions respect it. That's why most people on this board hate your guts, not only do you suck kobe's dick consistently 24/7 but you have no respect for people disagreeing with you and stating their own opinion which may be something negative against some Laker player.
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Bynum is more of a Chris Bosh type of player.
you're kidding right?
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Yo Nik why do you start a thread and then ask for our opinion and then bitch to everyone about how they are haters or not a true laker fan, it's fuckin bullshit next time you ask for our opinions respect it. That's why most people on this board hate your guts, not only do you suck kobe's dick consistently 24/7 but you have no respect for people disagreeing with you and stating their own opinion which may be something negative against some Laker player.
When did I bitch about anyones opinions? Spice picked Dwight, but I didn't say shit cuz he did it in taste...It's when "Laker fans" start talking shit about Bynum and claiming he "hasn't progressed" that their "opinion" gets questioned... ::)
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Yo Nik why do you start a thread and then ask for our opinion and then bitch to everyone about how they are haters or not a true laker fan, it's fuckin bullshit next time you ask for our opinions respect it. That's why most people on this board hate your guts, not only do you suck kobe's dick consistently 24/7 but you have no respect for people disagreeing with you and stating their own opinion which may be something negative against some Laker player.
When did I bitch about anyones opinions? Spice picked Dwight, but I didn't say shit cuz he did it in taste...It's when "Laker fans" start talking shit about Bynum and claiming he "hasn't progressed" that their "opinion" gets questioned... ::)
why isn't it ok for them to question Bynum's progession? i don't know get it, what are you now Laker Fan President or something, you decide who's a true fan. I loved the old Bulls but hated Luc Longley, does that make me any less of a fan than the next guy? You just can't stand that a laker fan disagrees with you.
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Yo Nik why do you start a thread and then ask for our opinion and then bitch to everyone about how they are haters or not a true laker fan, it's fuckin bullshit next time you ask for our opinions respect it. That's why most people on this board hate your guts, not only do you suck kobe's dick consistently 24/7 but you have no respect for people disagreeing with you and stating their own opinion which may be something negative against some Laker player.
AMEN to everything this man just said and what Jrome has been saying. You are one fucked up kid NIK. You should get some help.
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Yo Nik why do you start a thread and then ask for our opinion and then bitch to everyone about how they are haters or not a true laker fan, it's fuckin bullshit next time you ask for our opinions respect it. That's why most people on this board hate your guts, not only do you suck kobe's dick consistently 24/7 but you have no respect for people disagreeing with you and stating their own opinion which may be something negative against some Laker player.
When did I bitch about anyones opinions? Spice picked Dwight, but I didn't say shit cuz he did it in taste...It's when "Laker fans" start talking shit about Bynum and claiming he "hasn't progressed" that their "opinion" gets questioned... ::)
why isn't it ok for them to question Bynum's progession? i don't know get it, what are you now Laker Fan President or something, you decide who's a true fan. I loved the old Bulls but hated Luc Longley, does that make me any less of a fan than the next guy? You just can't stand that a laker fan disagrees with you.
I'm not saying you have to like Andrew Bynum to be a Laker fan, that's where I question your comprehension level, I'm saying that you straight up have no idea what you're talking about if you claim Bynum hasn't progressed in his 2nd year...PeACe
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Yo Nik why do you start a thread and then ask for our opinion and then bitch to everyone about how they are haters or not a true laker fan, it's fuckin bullshit next time you ask for our opinions respect it. That's why most people on this board hate your guts, not only do you suck kobe's dick consistently 24/7 but you have no respect for people disagreeing with you and stating their own opinion which may be something negative against some Laker player.
When did I bitch about anyones opinions? Spice picked Dwight, but I didn't say shit cuz he did it in taste...It's when "Laker fans" start talking shit about Bynum and claiming he "hasn't progressed" that their "opinion" gets questioned... ::)
why isn't it ok for them to question Bynum's progession? i don't know get it, what are you now Laker Fan President or something, you decide who's a true fan. I loved the old Bulls but hated Luc Longley, does that make me any less of a fan than the next guy? You just can't stand that a laker fan disagrees with you.
I'm not saying you have to like Andrew Bynum to be a Laker fan, that's where I question your comprehension level, I'm saying that you straight up have no idea what you're talking about if you claim Bynum hasn't progressed in his 2nd year...PeACe
no, I really dont think you know what you are saying, NIK.
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PLANT, did I really make you feel that bad about your manhood for bitching out of that bet? LOL@these pussies can't handle a debate. :laugh:
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LOL. That's just an ESPN guesstimate, man. The NBA ranks its jersey sales based on NBA.com and the Official NBA Store every year!
HAHAHAHA damn dog you are straight flustered huh? First you replied to that old thread with an attempt to prove me wrong about the jersey sales. Then you obviously read this and modified that comment, lol. Then you really knew you had nothing so you deleted your comment all together. LMAO! I saw the whole thing, it was HILARIOUS. Then you clicked your diss button, and now your scrambling to save face.
And LMFAO at "an ESPN guesstimate". First, the quote is from a guy who works for SportsOneSource which provides facts and info for sporting goods industry information. He's in no way affiliated with ESPN. Secondly, that story was picked up from the AP Wire, it wasn't even written by ESPN. They simply reported it.
And you're absolutely right - It's the leading seller at the Official NBA Store in NY and at nbastore.com. (I've established this in every discussion, lol). BUT IT'S NOT THE TOP SELLING JERSEY IN THE NATION.
*drops mic and walks off stage*
Not really, don't get too excited man. LOL... I just never saw that 3rd to 5th figure cuz I only skimmed through the 2nd article. Still doesn't mean shit, NBA STILL ranks its jersey sales based on the system originally posted. The reason I said "ESPN guesstimate" is because ESPN is known as a biased network, and it figures that they'd throw in some guesstimate to play down Kobe being ranked 1st by the NBA, especially considering the fact that Neil Schwartz is a nobody and might as well not have given a guesstimate if the best he can do is 3rd through 5th...Try a little harder...PeACe
Still doesn't have the top selling jersey in the nation. That's all I'm saying. And again, It's not ESPN making the claim, and it's not ESPN who wrote the article. So keep dismissing it as ESPN's secret conspiracy, you look like an idiot.
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I don't know anybody on this board bruh. If you get upset when people call bullshit on your posts then don't post.
No, that's not the point. I like when people disagree with me. That's a forum. I wanna argue with people, not wanting them to simply quote me. But if you wanna argue with me, do it my way. No disrespect for the other people's opinion, and write your OWN opinion so i can read it and reply to you. That's it.
As I read what you had wrote about comparing the stats I was going to comment on how thats an invalid comparison, but R-Tistic beat me to it. There's so much shit on here posted about how everything that's not Laker related is wack so I'm just trying to provide a balance.
Propaganda? ::)
I already explained you why you can't simply compare stats of a player who's the best in his (SHITTY) team with another one who's a backup C in a Phil Jackson team.
So i used the 48 mins per game just to say that Bynum has the potential too, to reach Howard's status in 2 years, when he'll be 21 too.
That's the only stat i can use, along with the one who compares his first season with the second, and his big development.
Oh I understand what you did. You can manipulate statistics to say pretty much anything. And to your credit, you did and it aided the arguement well. I just wanted to make sure that everybody was aware of your flawed logic but R-Tistic beat me to it.
I couldn't care less about Kobe's jersey sales. Facts are you can't compare the stats the way you're doing. And it's logical. Just think about it.
Yes, but my point isn't whether or not you care about his sales. It's about all the bullshit that gets spouted off in this section as fact when it's either A) Opinion; or B) Incorrect. So when I saw your stats comparison, I thought it fit that mold so I called you on it.
Naw. The fact i'm a Laker fan doesn't mean i don't appreciate other players outside the ones in purple & gold. But in this case i really appreciate Bynum so much i'm supporting him in this topic. A kid (litterally) working with Kareem trying to be "the new Kareem" is like a dream for an old school Laker fan like me. And watching this guy having a good impact on a Phil Jackson team being 19 is making me proud of him and the organization. Howard is a beast, but keep in mind he was drafted by a shitty team who had nobody better than a 19-years-old kid coming off high school when they drafted him. When you are the leader of a team from day-1, it's easier. You get confidence, you get your teammates giving you the ball, you have the coach adjusting playbooks for you, you have a GM trading players to fit your game style. It's different. I'll make you another example. Kobe Bryant and LeBron James. If you look at the stats, LeBron has had a better impact. But i disagree. I mean you can't simply compare them. Different situations, different scenario's. Kobe was a 17 years old in a world where rookies where 24 years old coming off college. And he was 17 in the Lakers, with fan favourite Eddie Jones playing SG. People didn't like 17 years old guys, just like they didn't like European players (and now we have an italian - and i'm proud of it being italian myself - being drafted with the #1 pick). Now the scenario is totally different. Now most of the rookies doesn't even go to college, or if they do 30-40% (maybe less) of them get a degree. Plus LeBron had Cleveland on his dick even before he started to play for the team. Totally different. I'm not saying LeBron ain't good... i'm saying he was put in a totally different scenario than Kobe, man. So you can't compare stats the "normal" way without considering those things. Bynum is like Kobe. A 17 years old, starting as a backup, in the best franchise of the NBA. I live it like a dream. Like another ride. This topic is about POTENTIAL. It's not "who's better now". It's "who will end up the better big?". It's no math. It's passion, and faith. I keep the faith in Bynum. Everything is working great and he CAN really develope into a superstar Center with all the tools to be dominant. Dwight? He'll probably be one of his rival. I don't hate on him. I wish him all the best. But i go with Bynum. In 2 years, when he'll be 21, he'll be a monster.
That's cool man. It's all good to have your reasons for supporting him. Again, I never knocked YOU for that. All I did was illustrate that your stats should be taken with a grain of salt. Like you said, they're different players in different situations. You can't really do statistical comparisons.
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LOL. That's just an ESPN guesstimate, man. The NBA ranks its jersey sales based on NBA.com and the Official NBA Store every year!
HAHAHAHA damn dog you are straight flustered huh? First you replied to that old thread with an attempt to prove me wrong about the jersey sales. Then you obviously read this and modified that comment, lol. Then you really knew you had nothing so you deleted your comment all together. LMAO! I saw the whole thing, it was HILARIOUS. Then you clicked your diss button, and now your scrambling to save face.
And LMFAO at "an ESPN guesstimate". First, the quote is from a guy who works for SportsOneSource which provides facts and info for sporting goods industry information. He's in no way affiliated with ESPN. Secondly, that story was picked up from the AP Wire, it wasn't even written by ESPN. They simply reported it.
And you're absolutely right - It's the leading seller at the Official NBA Store in NY and at nbastore.com. (I've established this in every discussion, lol). BUT IT'S NOT THE TOP SELLING JERSEY IN THE NATION.
*drops mic and walks off stage*
Not really, don't get too excited man. LOL... I just never saw that 3rd to 5th figure cuz I only skimmed through the 2nd article. Still doesn't mean shit, NBA STILL ranks its jersey sales based on the system originally posted. The reason I said "ESPN guesstimate" is because ESPN is known as a biased network, and it figures that they'd throw in some guesstimate to play down Kobe being ranked 1st by the NBA, especially considering the fact that Neil Schwartz is a nobody and might as well not have given a guesstimate if the best he can do is 3rd through 5th...Try a little harder...PeACe
Still doesn't have the top selling jersey in the nation. That's all I'm saying. And again, It's not ESPN making the claim, and it's not ESPN who wrote the article. So keep dismissing it as ESPN's secret conspiracy, you look like an idiot.
I don't think it's a consipracy, I'm not the paranoid one thinking Laker fans are devising schemes to lie about jersey sales. I was simply pointing out that the official number is what counts and ESPN could have easily thrown those extra figures in their, since ESPN.com news services are the ones who reported it...PeACe
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LOL. That's just an ESPN guesstimate, man. The NBA ranks its jersey sales based on NBA.com and the Official NBA Store every year!
HAHAHAHA damn dog you are straight flustered huh? First you replied to that old thread with an attempt to prove me wrong about the jersey sales. Then you obviously read this and modified that comment, lol. Then you really knew you had nothing so you deleted your comment all together. LMAO! I saw the whole thing, it was HILARIOUS. Then you clicked your diss button, and now your scrambling to save face.
And LMFAO at "an ESPN guesstimate". First, the quote is from a guy who works for SportsOneSource which provides facts and info for sporting goods industry information. He's in no way affiliated with ESPN. Secondly, that story was picked up from the AP Wire, it wasn't even written by ESPN. They simply reported it.
And you're absolutely right - It's the leading seller at the Official NBA Store in NY and at nbastore.com. (I've established this in every discussion, lol). BUT IT'S NOT THE TOP SELLING JERSEY IN THE NATION.
*drops mic and walks off stage*
Not really, don't get too excited man. LOL... I just never saw that 3rd to 5th figure cuz I only skimmed through the 2nd article. Still doesn't mean shit, NBA STILL ranks its jersey sales based on the system originally posted. The reason I said "ESPN guesstimate" is because ESPN is known as a biased network, and it figures that they'd throw in some guesstimate to play down Kobe being ranked 1st by the NBA, especially considering the fact that Neil Schwartz is a nobody and might as well not have given a guesstimate if the best he can do is 3rd through 5th...Try a little harder...PeACe
Still doesn't have the top selling jersey in the nation. That's all I'm saying. And again, It's not ESPN making the claim, and it's not ESPN who wrote the article. So keep dismissing it as ESPN's secret conspiracy, you look like an idiot.
I don't think it's a consipracy, I'm not the paranoid one thinking Laker fans are devising schemes to lie about jersey sales. I was simply pointing out that the official number is what counts and ESPN could have easily thrown those extra figures in their, since ESPN.com news services are the ones who reported it...PeACe
Nobody once lied about jersey sales. Just making sure that people didn't get it twisted that he's got the top selling jersey in the nation. What do you mean they could have thrown those figures in there? Are you that stupid? The whole article is about how he has the top selling jersey in NY and nbastore.com.
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LOL. That's just an ESPN guesstimate, man. The NBA ranks its jersey sales based on NBA.com and the Official NBA Store every year!
HAHAHAHA damn dog you are straight flustered huh? First you replied to that old thread with an attempt to prove me wrong about the jersey sales. Then you obviously read this and modified that comment, lol. Then you really knew you had nothing so you deleted your comment all together. LMAO! I saw the whole thing, it was HILARIOUS. Then you clicked your diss button, and now your scrambling to save face.
And LMFAO at "an ESPN guesstimate". First, the quote is from a guy who works for SportsOneSource which provides facts and info for sporting goods industry information. He's in no way affiliated with ESPN. Secondly, that story was picked up from the AP Wire, it wasn't even written by ESPN. They simply reported it.
And you're absolutely right - It's the leading seller at the Official NBA Store in NY and at nbastore.com. (I've established this in every discussion, lol). BUT IT'S NOT THE TOP SELLING JERSEY IN THE NATION.
*drops mic and walks off stage*
Not really, don't get too excited man. LOL... I just never saw that 3rd to 5th figure cuz I only skimmed through the 2nd article. Still doesn't mean shit, NBA STILL ranks its jersey sales based on the system originally posted. The reason I said "ESPN guesstimate" is because ESPN is known as a biased network, and it figures that they'd throw in some guesstimate to play down Kobe being ranked 1st by the NBA, especially considering the fact that Neil Schwartz is a nobody and might as well not have given a guesstimate if the best he can do is 3rd through 5th...Try a little harder...PeACe
Still doesn't have the top selling jersey in the nation. That's all I'm saying. And again, It's not ESPN making the claim, and it's not ESPN who wrote the article. So keep dismissing it as ESPN's secret conspiracy, you look like an idiot.
I don't think it's a consipracy, I'm not the paranoid one thinking Laker fans are devising schemes to lie about jersey sales. I was simply pointing out that the official number is what counts and ESPN could have easily thrown those extra figures in their, since ESPN.com news services are the ones who reported it...PeACe
Nobody once lied about jersey sales. Just making sure that people didn't get it twisted that he's got the top selling jersey in the nation. What do you mean they could have thrown those figures in there? Are you that stupid? The whole article is about how he has the top selling jersey in NY and nbastore.com.
All I'm sayin' is notice how the other articles didn't report that, while the article reported by ESPN news services did...I'm sure it has nothing to do with that, but I thought it was pretty funny. No need to act so defensive about every damn thing...PeACe
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Yo Nik why do you start a thread and then ask for our opinion and then bitch to everyone about how they are haters or not a true laker fan, it's fuckin bullshit next time you ask for our opinions respect it. That's why most people on this board hate your guts, not only do you suck kobe's dick consistently 24/7 but you have no respect for people disagreeing with you and stating their own opinion which may be something negative against some Laker player.
When did I bitch about anyones opinions? Spice picked Dwight, but I didn't say shit cuz he did it in taste...It's when "Laker fans" start talking shit about Bynum and claiming he "hasn't progressed" that their "opinion" gets questioned... ::)
why isn't it ok for them to question Bynum's progession? i don't know get it, what are you now Laker Fan President or something, you decide who's a true fan. I loved the old Bulls but hated Luc Longley, does that make me any less of a fan than the next guy? You just can't stand that a laker fan disagrees with you.
I'm not saying you have to like Andrew Bynum to be a Laker fan, that's where I question your comprehension level, I'm saying that you straight up have no idea what you're talking about if you claim Bynum hasn't progressed in his 2nd year...PeACe
thats an opinion my bitch.
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Yo Nik why do you start a thread and then ask for our opinion and then bitch to everyone about how they are haters or not a true laker fan, it's fuckin bullshit next time you ask for our opinions respect it. That's why most people on this board hate your guts, not only do you suck kobe's dick consistently 24/7 but you have no respect for people disagreeing with you and stating their own opinion which may be something negative against some Laker player.
When did I bitch about anyones opinions? Spice picked Dwight, but I didn't say shit cuz he did it in taste...It's when "Laker fans" start talking shit about Bynum and claiming he "hasn't progressed" that their "opinion" gets questioned... ::)
why isn't it ok for them to question Bynum's progession? i don't know get it, what are you now Laker Fan President or something, you decide who's a true fan. I loved the old Bulls but hated Luc Longley, does that make me any less of a fan than the next guy? You just can't stand that a laker fan disagrees with you.
I'm not saying you have to like Andrew Bynum to be a Laker fan, that's where I question your comprehension level, I'm saying that you straight up have no idea what you're talking about if you claim Bynum hasn't progressed in his 2nd year...PeACe
thats an opinion my bitch.
Yea, it's really an opinion...Of a dumb muthafucker who has no idea what the fuck he's saying. Even the only Laker player you like (Kobe) would pimpslap you if you said something that stupid...
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LOL. That's just an ESPN guesstimate, man. The NBA ranks its jersey sales based on NBA.com and the Official NBA Store every year!
HAHAHAHA damn dog you are straight flustered huh? First you replied to that old thread with an attempt to prove me wrong about the jersey sales. Then you obviously read this and modified that comment, lol. Then you really knew you had nothing so you deleted your comment all together. LMAO! I saw the whole thing, it was HILARIOUS. Then you clicked your diss button, and now your scrambling to save face.
And LMFAO at "an ESPN guesstimate". First, the quote is from a guy who works for SportsOneSource which provides facts and info for sporting goods industry information. He's in no way affiliated with ESPN. Secondly, that story was picked up from the AP Wire, it wasn't even written by ESPN. They simply reported it.
And you're absolutely right - It's the leading seller at the Official NBA Store in NY and at nbastore.com. (I've established this in every discussion, lol). BUT IT'S NOT THE TOP SELLING JERSEY IN THE NATION.
*drops mic and walks off stage*
Not really, don't get too excited man. LOL... I just never saw that 3rd to 5th figure cuz I only skimmed through the 2nd article. Still doesn't mean shit, NBA STILL ranks its jersey sales based on the system originally posted. The reason I said "ESPN guesstimate" is because ESPN is known as a biased network, and it figures that they'd throw in some guesstimate to play down Kobe being ranked 1st by the NBA, especially considering the fact that Neil Schwartz is a nobody and might as well not have given a guesstimate if the best he can do is 3rd through 5th...Try a little harder...PeACe
Still doesn't have the top selling jersey in the nation. That's all I'm saying. And again, It's not ESPN making the claim, and it's not ESPN who wrote the article. So keep dismissing it as ESPN's secret conspiracy, you look like an idiot.
I don't think it's a consipracy, I'm not the paranoid one thinking Laker fans are devising schemes to lie about jersey sales. I was simply pointing out that the official number is what counts and ESPN could have easily thrown those extra figures in their, since ESPN.com news services are the ones who reported it...PeACe
Nobody once lied about jersey sales. Just making sure that people didn't get it twisted that he's got the top selling jersey in the nation. What do you mean they could have thrown those figures in there? Are you that stupid? The whole article is about how he has the top selling jersey in NY and nbastore.com.
All I'm sayin' is notice how the other articles didn't report that, while the article reported by ESPN news services did...I'm sure it has nothing to do with that, but I thought it was pretty funny. No need to act so defensive about every damn thing...PeACe
No, it just gets annoying have to point out the obvious over and over.
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Yo Nik why do you start a thread and then ask for our opinion and then bitch to everyone about how they are haters or not a true laker fan, it's fuckin bullshit next time you ask for our opinions respect it. That's why most people on this board hate your guts, not only do you suck kobe's dick consistently 24/7 but you have no respect for people disagreeing with you and stating their own opinion which may be something negative against some Laker player.
When did I bitch about anyones opinions? Spice picked Dwight, but I didn't say shit cuz he did it in taste...It's when "Laker fans" start talking shit about Bynum and claiming he "hasn't progressed" that their "opinion" gets questioned... ::)
why isn't it ok for them to question Bynum's progession? i don't know get it, what are you now Laker Fan President or something, you decide who's a true fan. I loved the old Bulls but hated Luc Longley, does that make me any less of a fan than the next guy? You just can't stand that a laker fan disagrees with you.
I'm not saying you have to like Andrew Bynum to be a Laker fan, that's where I question your comprehension level, I'm saying that you straight up have no idea what you're talking about if you claim Bynum hasn't progressed in his 2nd year...PeACe
thats an opinion my bitch.
Yea, it's really an opinion...Of a dumb muthafucker who has no idea what the fuck he's saying. Even the only Laker player you like (Kobe) would pimpslap you if you said something that stupid...
Lmao there you go again talkin out of your ass. I like a lot of players on the Lakers (even the ones you wouldn't believe). I just don't kiss their ass after every sub-par performance because they're in a Lakers jersey.
Gangstaboogy = fan
NIK = groupie
And a trust me, if Kobe could dump Bynum for Howard right now I bet my life he'd do it.
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LOL. That's just an ESPN guesstimate, man. The NBA ranks its jersey sales based on NBA.com and the Official NBA Store every year!
HAHAHAHA damn dog you are straight flustered huh? First you replied to that old thread with an attempt to prove me wrong about the jersey sales. Then you obviously read this and modified that comment, lol. Then you really knew you had nothing so you deleted your comment all together. LMAO! I saw the whole thing, it was HILARIOUS. Then you clicked your diss button, and now your scrambling to save face.
And LMFAO at "an ESPN guesstimate". First, the quote is from a guy who works for SportsOneSource which provides facts and info for sporting goods industry information. He's in no way affiliated with ESPN. Secondly, that story was picked up from the AP Wire, it wasn't even written by ESPN. They simply reported it.
And you're absolutely right - It's the leading seller at the Official NBA Store in NY and at nbastore.com. (I've established this in every discussion, lol). BUT IT'S NOT THE TOP SELLING JERSEY IN THE NATION.
*drops mic and walks off stage*
Not really, don't get too excited man. LOL... I just never saw that 3rd to 5th figure cuz I only skimmed through the 2nd article. Still doesn't mean shit, NBA STILL ranks its jersey sales based on the system originally posted. The reason I said "ESPN guesstimate" is because ESPN is known as a biased network, and it figures that they'd throw in some guesstimate to play down Kobe being ranked 1st by the NBA, especially considering the fact that Neil Schwartz is a nobody and might as well not have given a guesstimate if the best he can do is 3rd through 5th...Try a little harder...PeACe
Still doesn't have the top selling jersey in the nation. That's all I'm saying. And again, It's not ESPN making the claim, and it's not ESPN who wrote the article. So keep dismissing it as ESPN's secret conspiracy, you look like an idiot.
I don't think it's a consipracy, I'm not the paranoid one thinking Laker fans are devising schemes to lie about jersey sales. I was simply pointing out that the official number is what counts and ESPN could have easily thrown those extra figures in their, since ESPN.com news services are the ones who reported it...PeACe
Nobody once lied about jersey sales. Just making sure that people didn't get it twisted that he's got the top selling jersey in the nation. What do you mean they could have thrown those figures in there? Are you that stupid? The whole article is about how he has the top selling jersey in NY and nbastore.com.
All I'm sayin' is notice how the other articles didn't report that, while the article reported by ESPN news services did...I'm sure it has nothing to do with that, but I thought it was pretty funny. No need to act so defensive about every damn thing...PeACe
No, it just gets annoying have to point out the obvious over and over.
The obvious would be that Kobe is officially ranked number 1 in jersey sales by official figures...PeACe
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And a trust me, if Kobe could dump Bynum for Howard right now I bet my life he'd do it.
It'd be tight if you could really make that bet...
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Baby G has wanted us to trade every player on the roster other than Kobe at one point or another...Please tell me how you don't find it pathetic that he still claims this team, especially after announcing that he can't wait to see the Mavs win the championship this year. :laugh:
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LOL. That's just an ESPN guesstimate, man. The NBA ranks its jersey sales based on NBA.com and the Official NBA Store every year!
HAHAHAHA damn dog you are straight flustered huh? First you replied to that old thread with an attempt to prove me wrong about the jersey sales. Then you obviously read this and modified that comment, lol. Then you really knew you had nothing so you deleted your comment all together. LMAO! I saw the whole thing, it was HILARIOUS. Then you clicked your diss button, and now your scrambling to save face.
And LMFAO at "an ESPN guesstimate". First, the quote is from a guy who works for SportsOneSource which provides facts and info for sporting goods industry information. He's in no way affiliated with ESPN. Secondly, that story was picked up from the AP Wire, it wasn't even written by ESPN. They simply reported it.
And you're absolutely right - It's the leading seller at the Official NBA Store in NY and at nbastore.com. (I've established this in every discussion, lol). BUT IT'S NOT THE TOP SELLING JERSEY IN THE NATION.
*drops mic and walks off stage*
Not really, don't get too excited man. LOL... I just never saw that 3rd to 5th figure cuz I only skimmed through the 2nd article. Still doesn't mean shit, NBA STILL ranks its jersey sales based on the system originally posted. The reason I said "ESPN guesstimate" is because ESPN is known as a biased network, and it figures that they'd throw in some guesstimate to play down Kobe being ranked 1st by the NBA, especially considering the fact that Neil Schwartz is a nobody and might as well not have given a guesstimate if the best he can do is 3rd through 5th...Try a little harder...PeACe
Still doesn't have the top selling jersey in the nation. That's all I'm saying. And again, It's not ESPN making the claim, and it's not ESPN who wrote the article. So keep dismissing it as ESPN's secret conspiracy, you look like an idiot.
I don't think it's a consipracy, I'm not the paranoid one thinking Laker fans are devising schemes to lie about jersey sales. I was simply pointing out that the official number is what counts and ESPN could have easily thrown those extra figures in their, since ESPN.com news services are the ones who reported it...PeACe
Nobody once lied about jersey sales. Just making sure that people didn't get it twisted that he's got the top selling jersey in the nation. What do you mean they could have thrown those figures in there? Are you that stupid? The whole article is about how he has the top selling jersey in NY and nbastore.com.
All I'm sayin' is notice how the other articles didn't report that, while the article reported by ESPN news services did...I'm sure it has nothing to do with that, but I thought it was pretty funny. No need to act so defensive about every damn thing...PeACe
No, it just gets annoying have to point out the obvious over and over.
The obvious would be that Kobe is officially ranked number 1 in jersey sales by official figures...PeACe
at their official store in NY and nbastore.com. Not nationwide sales.
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And a trust me, if Kobe could dump Bynum for Howard right now I bet my life he'd do it.
It'd be tight if you could really make that bet...
Yeah it would. Everyone knows Howard is the better player. Every report on Bynum over the summer said he was making progress but wasn't aggressive enough. The guy has potential, but that's nothing if your lazy.
:nahnah2:
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And a trust me, if Kobe could dump Bynum for Howard right now I bet my life he'd do it.
It'd be tight if you could really make that bet...
Yeah it would. Everyone knows Howard is the better player. Every report on Bynum over the summer said he was making progress but wasn't aggressive enough. The guy has potential, but that's nothing if your lazy.
:nahnah2:
Everyone knows Howard is the better player NOW. Bynum has more potential to dominate as a true center though, especially based on his early progression and what everyone within the Laker franchise has been saying about him...Like Antonio said, Andrew Bynum is in Kobe's situation, while Dwight Howard is in LeBron's...People who only look at stats wont see this yet, people who know the game can see shit like this before it happens...Don't get sad, it's just my opinion...PeACe
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Fuck potential, Howard is already showing his talents.
Harold Miner had potential too.
And fuck PER 48 stats. There is a reason those players who benefit from a high PER aren't getting big minutes.
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Fuck potential, Howard is already showing his talents.
Harold Miner had potential too.
And fuck PER 48 stats. There is a reason those players who benefit from a high PER aren't getting big minutes.
The reason is that Bynum looked like Fat Albert till 2-3 years ago. Just check this photo.
(http://www.sbgzone.com/images/articles/andrewbynum.jpg)
He was raw, with no foot moves, just a nice hook and that fat ass. The amazing thing about this guy is that he has a wonderful basketball IQ. He LEARNS quick. If you see a video of him 3 years ago and you see one of his games now, you see a totally different player. Even phisically he's turning from Fat Albert to an NBA body. He's still so young that he can't force to much on gym, but look at the results after 1 1/2 year with the Lakers.
(http://i.a.cnn.net/si/2005/writers/marty_burns/09/09/kareem/t1_bynum.jpg)
He's not fat, he's quicker, he's fresh. Now he's still working on his body to get some muscles and shit. Immagine him in 2 years if he continue this way. He'll have a perfect 7-0, 7-1 NBA body, and he'll be a force, inside.
Not to mention the fact he's actually LEARNING from Kareem how to PLAY basketball. He has a good ethic too, according to Kareem. Look at the percentage from FT.
First year .296 (8/27)
This year .720 (77-107)
He's improving. Like a monster. He already have a nice hook, a nice release of the ball, he has great timing blocking, he grabbed 10 rebs per game as a starter, he is no joke. He still has a lot to learn, expecially on defence, but damn man this guy in 3 years improved a way i've never seen before done by a CENTER. NEVER. You can't hate on this guy's potential. It's there. He's showing him. Imagine him in 2 years with a better body, more muscles, more offensive moves and a better defensive presence. And imagine him as a starter, playing 35 mins per game. Being 21. Damn, man. I'm impressed.
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We'll see when we cross that road. But right now he can't average PER 48 type numbers since he is also averaging 6.4 fouls a game in the PER 48 range.
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who cares who's better at the age of 21 its at the age of 25 u can really gauge talent and get an idea of what kind of career the player is going to have
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who cares who's better at the age of 21 its at the age of 25 u can really gauge talent and get an idea of what kind of career the player is going to have
^^That's why I said "in 5 years"
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Howard speaks on Bynum. Looks like they might work-out together this summer...
http://www.latimes.com/sports/basketball/nba/la-sp-lakeweb13jan13,1,1981258.story?coll=la-headlines-sports-nba&ctrack=1&cset=true
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.. as for Howard, no he will be nowhere near Shaq, noone ever will
That's right, Shaq was the most dominant of any player in their time, even more than Wilt, yeah I said it, let's hear the hating NIK
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LMAO @ Shaq being more dominant than Wilt.
Wilt Chamberlain's CAREER averages...
30.1 ppg, 22.9 rpg, 4.4 apg
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.. as for Howard, no he will be nowhere near Shaq, noone ever will
That's right, Shaq was the most dominant of any player in their time, even more than Wilt, yeah I said it, let's hear the hating NIK
I wouldn't hate, just heavily disagree...PeACe
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.. as for Howard, no he will be nowhere near Shaq, noone ever will
That's right, Shaq was the most dominant of any player in their time, even more than Wilt, yeah I said it, let's hear the hating NIK
Of course he was, when he was in his prime he had no one even close to him. Shaq never had a guy who challenged him.
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.. as for Howard, no he will be nowhere near Shaq, noone ever will
That's right, Shaq was the most dominant of any player in their time, even more than Wilt, yeah I said it, let's hear the hating NIK
Of course he was, when he was in his prime he had no one even close to him. Shaq never had a guy who challenged him.
Ask him about Hakeem.
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.. as for Howard, no he will be nowhere near Shaq, noone ever will
That's right, Shaq was the most dominant of any player in their time, even more than Wilt, yeah I said it, let's hear the hating NIK
Of course he was, when he was in his prime he had no one even close to him. Shaq never had a guy who challenged him.
Ask him about Hakeem.
I'm talking about Shaq's prime. Look back at the great centers, Wilt and Russell, Dream and Ewing and Robinson and Mutombo. Shaq battled against the likes of Greg Ostertag and Dale Davis.
Shaq couldn't hold Dream's jockstrap in his prime. Dude was on another level on both ends of the floor.
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I haven't read through the thread but I think Howard will be better. Howard is already a force to be reckoned with and Bynum, although he has improved significantly, still has a long way to go. Howard is already the 2nd best center in the NBA and he is still raw. Once he learns some low post moves, he will be unstoppable. He is already a defensive and rebounding machine and freakishly athletic. The sky is the limit for Howard, he has the potential to be a legend.
With Bynum, he will definitely grow into being a very effective big man no doubt. He has good touch around the basket and he has that length. He still needs to work on utilizing his size better on both ends of the court but he is only 19. I could see Bynum averaging 17/11/3 in a year or 2, maybe 20 if he really works hard. Howard is already there and he will only get better. Dude is a monster.
Bynum's upside: all-star
Howard's upside: legend
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I haven't read through the thread but I think Howard will be better. Howard is already a force to be reckoned with and Bynum, although he has improved significantly, still has a long way to go. Howard is already the 2nd best center in the NBA and he is still raw. Once he learns some low post moves, he will be unstoppable. He is already a defensive and rebounding machine and freakishly athletic. The sky is the limit for Howard, he has the potential to be a legend.
With Bynum, he will definitely grow into being a very effective big man no doubt. He has good touch around the basket and he has that length. He still needs to work on utilizing his size better on both ends of the court but he is only 19. I could see Bynum averaging 17/11/3 in a year or 2, maybe 20 if he really works hard. Howard is already there and he will only get better. Dude is a monster.
Bynum's upside: all-star
Howard's upside: legend
In my honest opinion, you're wrong AGAIN, man. LOL. Remember when you thought his upside was a Theo Ratliff type player? Theo Ratliff woulda' murdered his family to have the same ability Bynum does at 19...Bynum has future all-star appearances on lock, that's not his upside... it's clear to many that his upside is to dominate the whole league for years to come as the only true center...Whether or not he ever reaches that potential is still a mystery, but he's on the right track and he'd be considered a failure under Kareem if he didn't...PeACe
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.. as for Howard, no he will be nowhere near Shaq, noone ever will
That's right, Shaq was the most dominant of any player in their time, even more than Wilt, yeah I said it, let's hear the hating NIK
Of course he was, when he was in his prime he had no one even close to him. Shaq never had a guy who challenged him.
Ask him about Hakeem.
I'm talking about Shaq's prime. Look back at the great centers, Wilt and Russell, Dream and Ewing and Robinson and Mutombo. Shaq battled against the likes of Greg Ostertag and Dale Davis.
Shaq couldn't hold Dream's jockstrap in his prime. Dude was on another level on both ends of the floor.
All you're really saying is that Shaq didn't have much competition because most of the centers in his prime flat out sucked...I agree.
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I haven't read through the thread but I think Howard will be better. Howard is already a force to be reckoned with and Bynum, although he has improved significantly, still has a long way to go. Howard is already the 2nd best center in the NBA and he is still raw. Once he learns some low post moves, he will be unstoppable. He is already a defensive and rebounding machine and freakishly athletic. The sky is the limit for Howard, he has the potential to be a legend.
With Bynum, he will definitely grow into being a very effective big man no doubt. He has good touch around the basket and he has that length. He still needs to work on utilizing his size better on both ends of the court but he is only 19. I could see Bynum averaging 17/11/3 in a year or 2, maybe 20 if he really works hard. Howard is already there and he will only get better. Dude is a monster.
Bynum's upside: all-star
Howard's upside: legend
In my honest opinion, you're wrong AGAIN, man. LOL. Remember when you thought his upside was a Theo Ratliff type player? Theo Ratliff woulda' murdered his family to have the same ability Bynum does at 19...Bynum has future all-star appearances on lock, that's not his upside... it's clear to many that his upside is to dominate the whole league for years to come as the only true center...Whether or not he ever reaches that potential is still a mystery, but he's on the right track and he'd be considered a failure under Kareem if he didn't...PeACe
I was wrong about the Theo Ratliff comparison but saying Bynum will be better than Howard is a stretch IMO. Howard already is dominating and he will only get better. I think you're underestimating him. If I could choose any young player to build a team around, I'd take him over even Lebron or Carmelo.
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I haven't read through the thread but I think Howard will be better. Howard is already a force to be reckoned with and Bynum, although he has improved significantly, still has a long way to go. Howard is already the 2nd best center in the NBA and he is still raw. Once he learns some low post moves, he will be unstoppable. He is already a defensive and rebounding machine and freakishly athletic. The sky is the limit for Howard, he has the potential to be a legend.
With Bynum, he will definitely grow into being a very effective big man no doubt. He has good touch around the basket and he has that length. He still needs to work on utilizing his size better on both ends of the court but he is only 19. I could see Bynum averaging 17/11/3 in a year or 2, maybe 20 if he really works hard. Howard is already there and he will only get better. Dude is a monster.
Bynum's upside: all-star
Howard's upside: legend
In my honest opinion, you're wrong AGAIN, man. LOL. Remember when you thought his upside was a Theo Ratliff type player? Theo Ratliff woulda' murdered his family to have the same ability Bynum does at 19...Bynum has future all-star appearances on lock, that's not his upside... it's clear to many that his upside is to dominate the whole league for years to come as the only true center...Whether or not he ever reaches that potential is still a mystery, but he's on the right track and he'd be considered a failure under Kareem if he didn't...PeACe
I was wrong about the Theo Ratliff comparison but saying Bynum will be better than Howard is a stretch IMO. Howard already is dominating and he will only get better. I think you're underestimating him. If I could choose any young player to build a team around, I'd take him over even Lebron or Carmelo.
You just don't see the potential in Bynum that the Laker organization and I do...Dude can be like a Kareerm, you know? A long skill-set center with true dominating post moves...Dwight is the type of player to get his points from dunks off rebounds and passes, he uses his physical strength to his advantage (a lot like an Amare), not really his skills... sure he's gunna be great and hopefully even a rival of Bynum's for years to come, but I honestly see Bynum having a much better chance of dominating as the last true center in the NBA...I see Dwight the same way I see Okafor...In Bynum, I see the patience to be the greatest, which alone shows his maturity and understanding/willingness of what he needs to accomplish...Think of his development stages in a comparison to Kobe's, while Dwight's development stages are comparable to LeBron's...Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am, and I know you'll remember NIK when/if Bynum becomes that last dominating center in the league...PeACe
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Dwight Howard by far...dude is just vicious!
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I haven't read through the thread but I think Howard will be better. Howard is already a force to be reckoned with and Bynum, although he has improved significantly, still has a long way to go. Howard is already the 2nd best center in the NBA and he is still raw. Once he learns some low post moves, he will be unstoppable. He is already a defensive and rebounding machine and freakishly athletic. The sky is the limit for Howard, he has the potential to be a legend.
With Bynum, he will definitely grow into being a very effective big man no doubt. He has good touch around the basket and he has that length. He still needs to work on utilizing his size better on both ends of the court but he is only 19. I could see Bynum averaging 17/11/3 in a year or 2, maybe 20 if he really works hard. Howard is already there and he will only get better. Dude is a monster.
Bynum's upside: all-star
Howard's upside: legend
In my honest opinion, you're wrong AGAIN, man. LOL. Remember when you thought his upside was a Theo Ratliff type player? Theo Ratliff woulda' murdered his family to have the same ability Bynum does at 19...Bynum has future all-star appearances on lock, that's not his upside... it's clear to many that his upside is to dominate the whole league for years to come as the only true center...Whether or not he ever reaches that potential is still a mystery, but he's on the right track and he'd be considered a failure under Kareem if he didn't...PeACe
I was wrong about the Theo Ratliff comparison but saying Bynum will be better than Howard is a stretch IMO. Howard already is dominating and he will only get better. I think you're underestimating him. If I could choose any young player to build a team around, I'd take him over even Lebron or Carmelo.
You just don't see the potential in Bynum that the Laker organization and I do...Dude can be like a Kareerm, you know? A long skill-set center with true dominating post moves...Dwight is the type of player to get his points from dunks off rebounds and passes, he uses his physical strength to his advantage (a lot like an Amare), not really his skills... sure he's gunna be great and hopefully even a rival of Bynum's for years to come, but I honestly see Bynum having a much better chance of dominating as the last true center in the NBA...I see Dwight the same way I see Okafor...In Bynum, I see the patience to be the greatest, which alone shows his maturity and understanding/willingness of what he needs to accomplish...Think of his development stages in a comparison to Kobe's, while Dwight's development stages are comparable to LeBron's...Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am, and I know you'll remember NIK when/if Bynum becomes that last dominating center in the league...PeACe
I see the potential in Bynum, but Howard, dude is just ridiculous. His potential is literally unlimited, you are really underrating him IMO.
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.. as for Howard, no he will be nowhere near Shaq, noone ever will
That's right, Shaq was the most dominant of any player in their time, even more than Wilt, yeah I said it, let's hear the hating NIK
Of course he was, when he was in his prime he had no one even close to him. Shaq never had a guy who challenged him.
Ask him about Hakeem.
I'm talking about Shaq's prime. Look back at the great centers, Wilt and Russell, Dream and Ewing and Robinson and Mutombo. Shaq battled against the likes of Greg Ostertag and Dale Davis.
Shaq couldn't hold Dream's jockstrap in his prime. Dude was on another level on both ends of the floor.
Sure.
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I haven't read through the thread but I think Howard will be better. Howard is already a force to be reckoned with and Bynum, although he has improved significantly, still has a long way to go. Howard is already the 2nd best center in the NBA and he is still raw. Once he learns some low post moves, he will be unstoppable. He is already a defensive and rebounding machine and freakishly athletic. The sky is the limit for Howard, he has the potential to be a legend.
With Bynum, he will definitely grow into being a very effective big man no doubt. He has good touch around the basket and he has that length. He still needs to work on utilizing his size better on both ends of the court but he is only 19. I could see Bynum averaging 17/11/3 in a year or 2, maybe 20 if he really works hard. Howard is already there and he will only get better. Dude is a monster.
Bynum's upside: all-star
Howard's upside: legend
In my honest opinion, you're wrong AGAIN, man. LOL. Remember when you thought his upside was a Theo Ratliff type player? Theo Ratliff woulda' murdered his family to have the same ability Bynum does at 19...Bynum has future all-star appearances on lock, that's not his upside... it's clear to many that his upside is to dominate the whole league for years to come as the only true center...Whether or not he ever reaches that potential is still a mystery, but he's on the right track and he'd be considered a failure under Kareem if he didn't...PeACe
I was wrong about the Theo Ratliff comparison but saying Bynum will be better than Howard is a stretch IMO. Howard already is dominating and he will only get better. I think you're underestimating him. If I could choose any young player to build a team around, I'd take him over even Lebron or Carmelo.
You just don't see the potential in Bynum that the Laker organization and I do...Dude can be like a Kareerm, you know? A long skill-set center with true dominating post moves...Dwight is the type of player to get his points from dunks off rebounds and passes, he uses his physical strength to his advantage (a lot like an Amare), not really his skills... sure he's gunna be great and hopefully even a rival of Bynum's for years to come, but I honestly see Bynum having a much better chance of dominating as the last true center in the NBA...I see Dwight the same way I see Okafor...In Bynum, I see the patience to be the greatest, which alone shows his maturity and understanding/willingness of what he needs to accomplish...Think of his development stages in a comparison to Kobe's, while Dwight's development stages are comparable to LeBron's...Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't think I am, and I know you'll remember NIK when/if Bynum becomes that last dominating center in the league...PeACe
I see the potential in Bynum, but Howard, dude is just ridiculous. His potential is literally unlimited, you are really underrating him IMO.
I think you're missing what I'm saying...I currently consider Dwight a top 5 big in the league, I'm not underrating him AT ALL. I KNOW he has great potential to dominate, but the point is that he's not the type of player that you can feed in the post and let go to work, like I said, dude gets most his points off of strength, not skill...and nothing he has done has shown me that he will ever be that type of player...Bynum has shown it, which is why I believe the sky is even more so the limit for Bynum than it is for Dwight...They'll both be some of the greatest bigs we've ever seen once they retire IMO, so stop saying I'm underrating him. In fact, you're underrating Bynum (again) by claiming his potential is only to be an all-star when that's considered more of a lock than a potential occurrence...PeACe
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.. as for Howard, no he will be nowhere near Shaq, noone ever will
That's right, Shaq was the most dominant of any player in their time, even more than Wilt, yeah I said it, let's hear the hating NIK
Of course he was, when he was in his prime he had no one even close to him. Shaq never had a guy who challenged him.
Ask him about Hakeem.
I'm talking about Shaq's prime. Look back at the great centers, Wilt and Russell, Dream and Ewing and Robinson and Mutombo. Shaq battled against the likes of Greg Ostertag and Dale Davis.
Shaq couldn't hold Dream's jockstrap in his prime. Dude was on another level on both ends of the floor.
All you're really saying is that Shaq didn't have much competition because most of the centers in his prime flat out sucked...I agree.
Yeah right i'll name some future hall of famers he played against: Patrick Ewing, Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Charles Barkeley, Dikimbe Motumbo, Hakeem Olajuwon, and he still put up monster numbers, Wilt didn't play against anyone in his prime, that's how he racked up the stats
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.. as for Howard, no he will be nowhere near Shaq, noone ever will
That's right, Shaq was the most dominant of any player in their time, even more than Wilt, yeah I said it, let's hear the hating NIK
Of course he was, when he was in his prime he had no one even close to him. Shaq never had a guy who challenged him.
Ask him about Hakeem.
I'm talking about Shaq's prime. Look back at the great centers, Wilt and Russell, Dream and Ewing and Robinson and Mutombo. Shaq battled against the likes of Greg Ostertag and Dale Davis.
Shaq couldn't hold Dream's jockstrap in his prime. Dude was on another level on both ends of the floor.
All you're really saying is that Shaq didn't have much competition because most of the centers in his prime flat out sucked...I agree.
Yeah right i'll name some future hall of famers he played against: Patrick Ewing, Tim Duncan, David Robinson, Charles Barkeley, Dikimbe Motumbo, Hakeem Olajuwon, and he still put up monster numbers, Wilt didn't play against anyone in his prime, that's how he racked up the stats
He's talking about Shaq in his prime...Think about the centers Shaq faced in the finals and playoffs during the 3peat era...Only the Spurs had great big men, but Tim Duncan was a power forward and David Robinson was way out of his prime.
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Greg Odon right now>>>Andrew Bynum
Greg Odon's upside>>>Andrew Bynum
hows that for ya
besides, Isnt Howard only 1 year older than Bynum right now anyways? Its not like Howard is a vet and Bynum is on the come up or something. They are both pretty much the same age, and Howard is miles ahead of AB.
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Kevin Durant>>>>Andrew Bynum
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who did Wilt face?
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who did Wilt face?
im not positive but prolly a bunch of crappy white guys that were like 6'5
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Greg Odon right now>>>Andrew Bynum
Greg Odon's upside>>>Andrew Bynum
hows that for ya
besides, Isnt Howard only 1 year older than Bynum right now anyways? Its not like Howard is a vet and Bynum is on the come up or something. They are both pretty much the same age, and Howard is miles ahead of AB.
Actually, no...Dwight was the same age as Bynum is now in his rookie season, and he was barely putting up better stats than Bynum is with way more minutes in a system built for him...As for Greg Oden > Andrew Bynum. :nawty:
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who did Wilt face?
im not positive but prolly a bunch of crappy white guys that were like 6'5
LMAO...Try Willis Reed, Walt Bellamy, Nate Thurmond, Bill Russell, Wes Unseld, etc. etc.
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Greg Odon will get picked #1 overall next year and prolly put up better numbers as a rookie than Bynum will in his 3rd season.
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Greg Odon will get picked #1 overall next year and prolly put up better numbers as a rookie than Bynum will in his 3rd season.
Once again.. y'all ain't considering the fact that Odon will probably end up in a shitty team like the Hawks or the 76ers or a wack team like those two. It's easier there to put big numbers, when the whole city/team is on your dick, the team is built around you and you're the best guy on the team. If he'll finish in a team like the Spurs, the Lakers, the Suns, etc.. i doubt he'll have the same numbers, man. You have to judge players after 10 years in the game, not 2 or 3 in a lottery team. Shit even Bargnani (i know him: he's good but he's no superstar!), or Parker, or Calderòn, or Garbajosa can do good things on a shitty team like the Raptors. Put Bynum there playing 35 mins and he'll be the best 19 years old in the League and one of the best Centers of the whole NBA. Odon will do great BOTH because he's skilled, and because he'll probably end up in a team re-building around him.
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Greg Odon will get picked #1 overall next year and prolly put up better numbers as a rookie than Bynum will in his 3rd season.
Once again.. y'all ain't considering the fact that Odon will probably end up in a shitty team like the Hawks or the 76ers or a wack team like those two. It's easier there to put big numbers, when the whole city/team is on your dick, the team is built around you and you're the best guy on the team. If he'll finish in a team like the Spurs, the Lakers, the Suns, etc.. i doubt he'll have the same numbers, man. You have to judge players after 10 years in the game, not 2 or 3 in a lottery team. Shit even Bargnani (i know him: he's good but he's no superstar!), or Parker, or Calderòn, or Garbajosa can do good things on a shitty team like the Raptors. Put Bynum there playing 35 mins and he'll be the best 19 years old in the League and one of the best Centers of the whole NBA. Odon will do great BOTH because he's skilled, and because he'll probably end up in a team re-building around him.
Yo stop acting like Bynum is playing behind some good players. He should be starting and playing mad minutes on the Lakers. Instead hes playing behind Cook and Turiaf LMAO Greg Odon would OWN those guys. Odon would start on the Lakers over Bynum right now.
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and whatever you said about the raptors is bullshit....Parker, Bargnani and Garbajosa are all solid players. Peter Vescey on NBA TV called Calderon the best backup PG in the league. Those guys are the reason why players like Fred Jones and Morris Peterson arent getting playing time right now. Who are you trying to kid man?
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Greg Odon will get picked #1 overall next year and prolly put up better numbers as a rookie than Bynum will in his 3rd season.
Bynum woulda' been picked number 1 in the last draft, and woulda' easily been a 15-10 guy on a shitty lottery team...PeACe
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Personally, Id rather have Andrea Bargnani than Bynum too. Maybe its cuz Im a Raps fan, and I know youl say the same thing about Bynum cuz your a Lakers fans. But still, its debatable.
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Greg Odon will get picked #1 overall next year and prolly put up better numbers as a rookie than Bynum will in his 3rd season.
Once again.. y'all ain't considering the fact that Odon will probably end up in a shitty team like the Hawks or the 76ers or a wack team like those two. It's easier there to put big numbers, when the whole city/team is on your dick, the team is built around you and you're the best guy on the team. If he'll finish in a team like the Spurs, the Lakers, the Suns, etc.. i doubt he'll have the same numbers, man. You have to judge players after 10 years in the game, not 2 or 3 in a lottery team. Shit even Bargnani (i know him: he's good but he's no superstar!), or Parker, or Calderòn, or Garbajosa can do good things on a shitty team like the Raptors. Put Bynum there playing 35 mins and he'll be the best 19 years old in the League and one of the best Centers of the whole NBA. Odon will do great BOTH because he's skilled, and because he'll probably end up in a team re-building around him.
Yo stop acting like Bynum is playing behind some good players. He should be starting and playing mad minutes on the Lakers. Instead hes playing behind Cook and Turiaf LMAO Greg Odon would OWN those guys. Odon would start on the Lakers over Bynum right now.
Bynum is playing BEHIND Cook and Turiaf?...Shows how much basketball you watch. ::)
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Greg Odon will get picked #1 overall next year and prolly put up better numbers as a rookie than Bynum will in his 3rd season.
Once again.. y'all ain't considering the fact that Odon will probably end up in a shitty team like the Hawks or the 76ers or a wack team like those two. It's easier there to put big numbers, when the whole city/team is on your dick, the team is built around you and you're the best guy on the team. If he'll finish in a team like the Spurs, the Lakers, the Suns, etc.. i doubt he'll have the same numbers, man. You have to judge players after 10 years in the game, not 2 or 3 in a lottery team. Shit even Bargnani (i know him: he's good but he's no superstar!), or Parker, or Calderòn, or Garbajosa can do good things on a shitty team like the Raptors. Put Bynum there playing 35 mins and he'll be the best 19 years old in the League and one of the best Centers of the whole NBA. Odon will do great BOTH because he's skilled, and because he'll probably end up in a team re-building around him.
Yo stop acting like Bynum is playing behind some good players. He should be starting and playing mad minutes on the Lakers. Instead hes playing behind Cook and Turiaf LMAO Greg Odon would OWN those guys. Odon would start on the Lakers over Bynum right now.
Bynum is playing BEHIND Cook and Turiaf?...Shows how much basketball you watch. ::)
Bynum is playing 19 mins a game. 2 mins more than Cook. My bad, hes definatly wayyyyyyyyy better than I thought ::)
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Greg Odon will get picked #1 overall next year and prolly put up better numbers as a rookie than Bynum will in his 3rd season.
Once again.. y'all ain't considering the fact that Odon will probably end up in a shitty team like the Hawks or the 76ers or a wack team like those two. It's easier there to put big numbers, when the whole city/team is on your dick, the team is built around you and you're the best guy on the team. If he'll finish in a team like the Spurs, the Lakers, the Suns, etc.. i doubt he'll have the same numbers, man. You have to judge players after 10 years in the game, not 2 or 3 in a lottery team. Shit even Bargnani (i know him: he's good but he's no superstar!), or Parker, or Calderòn, or Garbajosa can do good things on a shitty team like the Raptors. Put Bynum there playing 35 mins and he'll be the best 19 years old in the League and one of the best Centers of the whole NBA. Odon will do great BOTH because he's skilled, and because he'll probably end up in a team re-building around him.
Yo stop acting like Bynum is playing behind some good players. He should be starting and playing mad minutes on the Lakers. Instead hes playing behind Cook and Turiaf LMAO Greg Odon would OWN those guys. Odon would start on the Lakers over Bynum right now.
Bynum is playing BEHIND Cook and Turiaf?...Shows how much basketball you watch. ::)
Bynum is playing 19 mins a game. 2 mins more than Cook. My bad, hes definatly wayyyyyyyyy better than I thought ::)
Cook is a power forward, buddy...Bynum has been starting at center ALONGSIDE Cook ever since Kwame went out. In those games, he's averaged about 12 points and 10 rebounds with 3 blocks on 67% shooting and 75% free throws...LOL@dissing that!
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Greg Odon will get picked #1 overall next year and prolly put up better numbers as a rookie than Bynum will in his 3rd season.
Once again.. y'all ain't considering the fact that Odon will probably end up in a shitty team like the Hawks or the 76ers or a wack team like those two. It's easier there to put big numbers, when the whole city/team is on your dick, the team is built around you and you're the best guy on the team. If he'll finish in a team like the Spurs, the Lakers, the Suns, etc.. i doubt he'll have the same numbers, man. You have to judge players after 10 years in the game, not 2 or 3 in a lottery team. Shit even Bargnani (i know him: he's good but he's no superstar!), or Parker, or Calderòn, or Garbajosa can do good things on a shitty team like the Raptors. Put Bynum there playing 35 mins and he'll be the best 19 years old in the League and one of the best Centers of the whole NBA. Odon will do great BOTH because he's skilled, and because he'll probably end up in a team re-building around him.
Yo stop acting like Bynum is playing behind some good players. He should be starting and playing mad minutes on the Lakers. Instead hes playing behind Cook and Turiaf LMAO Greg Odon would OWN those guys. Odon would start on the Lakers over Bynum right now.
Bynum is playing BEHIND Cook and Turiaf?...Shows how much basketball you watch. ::)
Bynum is playing 19 mins a game. 2 mins more than Cook. My bad, hes definatly wayyyyyyyyy better than I thought ::)
Cook is a power forward, buddy...Bynum has been starting at center ALONGSIDE Cook ever since Kwame went out. In those games, he's averaged about 12 points and 10 rebounds with 3 blocks on 67% shooting and 75% free throws...LOL@dissing that!
When was I dissing Bynum?> I never dissed him, just stated that I think Howard, Odon and maybe even Bargnani are better. Id rather have Bargnani on the Raps right now than Bynum. Like I said, maybe cuz Im a Raps fan, and you will say youd rather have Bynum cuz your a Lakers fan. But its debatable.
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Greg Odon will get picked #1 overall next year and prolly put up better numbers as a rookie than Bynum will in his 3rd season.
Once again.. y'all ain't considering the fact that Odon will probably end up in a shitty team like the Hawks or the 76ers or a wack team like those two. It's easier there to put big numbers, when the whole city/team is on your dick, the team is built around you and you're the best guy on the team. If he'll finish in a team like the Spurs, the Lakers, the Suns, etc.. i doubt he'll have the same numbers, man. You have to judge players after 10 years in the game, not 2 or 3 in a lottery team. Shit even Bargnani (i know him: he's good but he's no superstar!), or Parker, or Calderòn, or Garbajosa can do good things on a shitty team like the Raptors. Put Bynum there playing 35 mins and he'll be the best 19 years old in the League and one of the best Centers of the whole NBA. Odon will do great BOTH because he's skilled, and because he'll probably end up in a team re-building around him.
Yo stop acting like Bynum is playing behind some good players. He should be starting and playing mad minutes on the Lakers. Instead hes playing behind Cook and Turiaf LMAO Greg Odon would OWN those guys. Odon would start on the Lakers over Bynum right now.
Bynum is playing BEHIND Cook and Turiaf?...Shows how much basketball you watch. ::)
Bynum is playing 19 mins a game. 2 mins more than Cook. My bad, hes definatly wayyyyyyyyy better than I thought ::)
Cook is a power forward, buddy...Bynum has been starting at center ALONGSIDE Cook ever since Kwame went out. In those games, he's averaged about 12 points and 10 rebounds with 3 blocks on 67% shooting and 75% free throws...LOL@dissing that!
When was I dissing Bynum?> I never dissed him, just stated that I think Howard, Odon and maybe even Bargnani are better. Id rather have Bargnani on the Raps right now than Bynum. Like I said, maybe cuz Im a Raps fan, and you will say youd rather have Bynum cuz your a Lakers fan. But its debatable.
Alright, Oden and Howard were understandable, but it became a diss once you mentioned Bargnani. Raptors would KILL for a Bynum-Bargnani trade right about now...LOL.
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Greg Odon will get picked #1 overall next year and prolly put up better numbers as a rookie than Bynum will in his 3rd season.
Once again.. y'all ain't considering the fact that Odon will probably end up in a shitty team like the Hawks or the 76ers or a wack team like those two. It's easier there to put big numbers, when the whole city/team is on your dick, the team is built around you and you're the best guy on the team. If he'll finish in a team like the Spurs, the Lakers, the Suns, etc.. i doubt he'll have the same numbers, man. You have to judge players after 10 years in the game, not 2 or 3 in a lottery team. Shit even Bargnani (i know him: he's good but he's no superstar!), or Parker, or Calderòn, or Garbajosa can do good things on a shitty team like the Raptors. Put Bynum there playing 35 mins and he'll be the best 19 years old in the League and one of the best Centers of the whole NBA. Odon will do great BOTH because he's skilled, and because he'll probably end up in a team re-building around him.
Yo stop acting like Bynum is playing behind some good players. He should be starting and playing mad minutes on the Lakers. Instead hes playing behind Cook and Turiaf LMAO Greg Odon would OWN those guys. Odon would start on the Lakers over Bynum right now.
Bynum is playing BEHIND Cook and Turiaf?...Shows how much basketball you watch. ::)
Bynum is playing 19 mins a game. 2 mins more than Cook. My bad, hes definatly wayyyyyyyyy better than I thought ::)
Cook is a power forward, buddy...Bynum has been starting at center ALONGSIDE Cook ever since Kwame went out. In those games, he's averaged about 12 points and 10 rebounds with 3 blocks on 67% shooting and 75% free throws...LOL@dissing that!
When was I dissing Bynum?> I never dissed him, just stated that I think Howard, Odon and maybe even Bargnani are better. Id rather have Bargnani on the Raps right now than Bynum. Like I said, maybe cuz Im a Raps fan, and you will say youd rather have Bynum cuz your a Lakers fan. But its debatable.
Alright, Oden and Howard were understandable, but it became a diss once you mentioned Bargnani. Raptors would KILL for a Bynum-Bargnani trade right about now...LOL.
Fuck that, Bargnani scores more points per game in his rookie season that Bynum does right now. He ranked the #1 rookie in the NBA right now. Bargnani's potential surpasses Bynums potential easily. Bynum is one dimensional, he will be a center, and thats it. Andrea is the same size and can shoot the lights out and play 3 positions on the court.
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Greg Odon will get picked #1 overall next year and prolly put up better numbers as a rookie than Bynum will in his 3rd season.
Once again.. y'all ain't considering the fact that Odon will probably end up in a shitty team like the Hawks or the 76ers or a wack team like those two. It's easier there to put big numbers, when the whole city/team is on your dick, the team is built around you and you're the best guy on the team. If he'll finish in a team like the Spurs, the Lakers, the Suns, etc.. i doubt he'll have the same numbers, man. You have to judge players after 10 years in the game, not 2 or 3 in a lottery team. Shit even Bargnani (i know him: he's good but he's no superstar!), or Parker, or Calderòn, or Garbajosa can do good things on a shitty team like the Raptors. Put Bynum there playing 35 mins and he'll be the best 19 years old in the League and one of the best Centers of the whole NBA. Odon will do great BOTH because he's skilled, and because he'll probably end up in a team re-building around him.
Yo stop acting like Bynum is playing behind some good players. He should be starting and playing mad minutes on the Lakers. Instead hes playing behind Cook and Turiaf LMAO Greg Odon would OWN those guys. Odon would start on the Lakers over Bynum right now.
Bynum is playing BEHIND Cook and Turiaf?...Shows how much basketball you watch. ::)
Bynum is playing 19 mins a game. 2 mins more than Cook. My bad, hes definatly wayyyyyyyyy better than I thought ::)
Cook is a power forward, buddy...Bynum has been starting at center ALONGSIDE Cook ever since Kwame went out. In those games, he's averaged about 12 points and 10 rebounds with 3 blocks on 67% shooting and 75% free throws...LOL@dissing that!
When was I dissing Bynum?> I never dissed him, just stated that I think Howard, Odon and maybe even Bargnani are better. Id rather have Bargnani on the Raps right now than Bynum. Like I said, maybe cuz Im a Raps fan, and you will say youd rather have Bynum cuz your a Lakers fan. But its debatable.
Alright, Oden and Howard were understandable, but it became a diss once you mentioned Bargnani. Raptors would KILL for a Bynum-Bargnani trade right about now...LOL.
Fuck that, Bargnani scores more points per game in his rookie season that Bynum does right now. He ranked the #1 rookie in the NBA right now. Bargnani's potential surpasses Bynums potential easily. Bynum is one dimensional, he will be a center, and thats it . Andrea is the same size and can shoot the lights out and play 3 positions on the court.
LMFAO!!!!! ESPECIALLY THE HIGHLIGHTED PARTS! AHAHAHA....Bargnani is being pushed to the extreme on a shitty lottery team and is still not living up to expectations, still playing worse than Bynum, shooting 40% from the field and collecting 3 rebounds with SHITTY defense...How dare you call Bynum one dimensional? 2 blocks a game in less than 20 mins is one dimensional? LOL! "A center and that's it"? What in the world is that supposed to mean? Kareem was a center and "that's it", Wilt was a center and "that's it", Russell was a center and "that's it", Hakeem, David Robinson, Ewing, SHAQ!...What the HELL are you saying man? Bynum is the last true center in the league, that's one of his greatest qualities...I seriously can't stop laughing at this terrible comparison and you making it seem like being a tweener is a good thing...LOLLLLLL!
And it's his rookie season, but he's still much older and has way more experience since he already played in the Euroleagues...Before Bynum came to the Lakers, he played less than 30 organized high school games and that's it! LMAO...Please stop, PLANT...PLEASE.
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How is Bynum the last true center in the league when Odom is coming next year and hes already better than Bynum? You acting like Bynum is the coming of Jesus or something man, hes averaging 8 points and 5 boards a game NIK, in his second season! Shit man. Now go watch those Bargnani highlights I posted and take a look at some REAL STAR POTENTIAL! The Raps arent a shitty lottery team anymore, they are first in the division right now and will be a playoff team this year like I told all of yall before the season started.
BTW, I got tickets for xmas for the Raps/Lakers game on the 9th. Should be a good one ;)
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How is Bynum the last true center in the league when Odom is coming next year and hes already better than Bynum? You acting like Bynum is the coming of Jesus or something man, hes averaging 8 points and 5 boards a game NIK, in his second season! Shit man. Now go watch those Bargnani highlights I posted and take a look at some REAL STAR POTENTIAL! The Raps arent a shitty lottery team anymore, they are first in the division right now and will be a playoff team this year like I told all of yall before the season started.
BTW, I got tickets for xmas for the Raps/Lakers game on the 9th. Should be a good one ;)
LOL@first in their division...They're 18-21! What does that tell you about your division? LOL. And stop calling him Odom/Odon, it's Oden, I already highlighted that twice for you in this thread...Greg Oden isn't a throwback center like Bynum is, not as much of a back to the basket guy and he plays power forward too, like Dwight...I supppose there will be a huge rivalry between Dwight/Bynum/Oden and maybe even Okafor in a few years, but out of all those players, Bynum is the one true center...It's all a matter of opinion, but a fact is that Bargnani and Bynum are not comparable, a.)because of their game and style of play and b.)because Bynum is a project on a contending team while Bargnani is an experienced/older player on a lottery team...Come on, PLANT, you say I have Laker bias and then you go and say some shit like that...:nawty:
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How is Bynum the last true center in the league when Odom is coming next year and hes already better than Bynum? You acting like Bynum is the coming of Jesus or something man, hes averaging 8 points and 5 boards a game NIK, in his second season! Shit man. Now go watch those Bargnani highlights I posted and take a look at some REAL STAR POTENTIAL! The Raps arent a shitty lottery team anymore, they are first in the division right now and will be a playoff team this year like I told all of yall before the season started.
BTW, I got tickets for xmas for the Raps/Lakers game on the 9th. Should be a good one ;)
LOL@first in their division...They're 18-21! What does that tell you about your division? LOL. And stop calling him Odom/Odon, it's Oden, I already highlighted that twice for you in this thread...Greg Oden isn't a throwback center like Bynum is, not much of a back to the basket guy and he plays power forward too, like Dwight...I supppose there will be a huge rivalry between Dwight/Bynum/Oden and maybe even Okafor in a few years, but out of all those players, Bynum is the one true center...It's all a matter of opinion, but a fact is that Bargnani and Bynum are not comparable, a.)because of their game and style of play and b.)because Bynum is a project on a contending team while Bargnani is an experienced/older player on a lottery team...Come on, PLANT, you say I have Laker bias and then you go and say some shit like that...:nawty:
Bargnani is only 19 homie, younger than Bynum. You can say what you want about Bynum, and I agree he has the potential to be a good player but you still cant dismiss Bargnani and his potential either.
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How is Bynum the last true center in the league when Odom is coming next year and hes already better than Bynum? You acting like Bynum is the coming of Jesus or something man, hes averaging 8 points and 5 boards a game NIK, in his second season! Shit man. Now go watch those Bargnani highlights I posted and take a look at some REAL STAR POTENTIAL! The Raps arent a shitty lottery team anymore, they are first in the division right now and will be a playoff team this year like I told all of yall before the season started.
BTW, I got tickets for xmas for the Raps/Lakers game on the 9th. Should be a good one ;)
LOL@first in their division...They're 18-21! What does that tell you about your division? LOL. And stop calling him Odom/Odon, it's Oden, I already highlighted that twice for you in this thread...Greg Oden isn't a throwback center like Bynum is, not much of a back to the basket guy and he plays power forward too, like Dwight...I supppose there will be a huge rivalry between Dwight/Bynum/Oden and maybe even Okafor in a few years, but out of all those players, Bynum is the one true center...It's all a matter of opinion, but a fact is that Bargnani and Bynum are not comparable, a.)because of their game and style of play and b.)because Bynum is a project on a contending team while Bargnani is an experienced/older player on a lottery team...Come on, PLANT, you say I have Laker bias and then you go and say some shit like that...:nawty:
Bargnani is only 19 homie, younger than Bynum. You can say what you want about Bynum, and I agree he has the potential to be a good player but you still cant dismiss Bargnani and his potential either.
You don't know how old your own prospects are? Born: Oct 26, 1985
And LOL@Bynum has the potential to be "good"...He's "good" now, in fact, he's on my league leading fantasy team...Bargnani is still in the FA draft pool... :-X
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And I don't think Bargnani is bad, I think he also has a future, but I just don't think it was bright to compare him to Bynum...PeAcE
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whatever man, we'll see....IMO Bargnani is better than Bynum. Go watch those videos and wish to yourself that Bynum could do those things. And how the fuck is ODEN not a Center? Dudes been a C all his life, hes 7'0 250. There is no PF in his game. Howard is a center too I dont know where you get this "Andre Bynum is the only true center" attitude thing
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whatever man, we'll see....IMO Bargnani is better than Bynum. Go watch those videos and wish to yourself that Bynum could do those things. And how the fuck is ODEN not a Center? Dudes been a C all his life, hes 7'0 250. There is no PF in his game. Howard is a center too I dont know where you get this "Andre Bynum is the only true center" attitude thing
I never said Oden wasn't a center, I simply said he was a center/power forward...And all I'm saying is that I believe your opinion will be proven wrong in the next few years...
Bynum=Center Dwight=Power Forward/Center...A vet who sees Andrew being fed the ball in the post as opposed to Dwight will tell you the difference...PeACe
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A vet who sees Andrew being fed the ball in the post as opposed to Dwight will tell you the difference...PeACe
ya youre right because the vet will see how much easier it is for Dwight to score and how many more rebounds and blocks Dwight is getting. Seriously, Im not the only one who thinks DH is better, will be better. The guy is tearing up the league. Have you been watching him at all? Its actually worse you comparing Bynum to Howard than it is me comparing Bargnani to Bynum. At least with Bargnani and Bynum, the stats aint that lopsided.
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A vet who sees Andrew being fed the ball in the post as opposed to Dwight will tell you the difference...PeACe
ya youre right because the vet will see how much easier it is for Dwight to score and how many more rebounds and blocks Dwight is getting. Seriously, Im not the only one who thinks DH is better, will be better. The guy is tearing up the league. Have you been watching him at all? Its actually worse you comparing Bynum to Howard than it is me comparing Bargnani to Bynum. At least with Bargnani and Bynum, the stats aint that lopsided.
The problem is that you don't understand half of what I'm saying...I know Dwight is better now, that's not what I'm saying. LOL. Read the poll question again...
PS. Anyone who has seen both players play knows that Bynum has WAY MORE post moves than Dwight...PeACe
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Greg Odon will get picked #1 overall next year and prolly put up better numbers as a rookie than Bynum will in his 3rd season.
Once again.. y'all ain't considering the fact that Odon will probably end up in a shitty team like the Hawks or the 76ers or a wack team like those two. It's easier there to put big numbers, when the whole city/team is on your dick, the team is built around you and you're the best guy on the team. If he'll finish in a team like the Spurs, the Lakers, the Suns, etc.. i doubt he'll have the same numbers, man. You have to judge players after 10 years in the game, not 2 or 3 in a lottery team. Shit even Bargnani (i know him: he's good but he's no superstar!), or Parker, or Calderòn, or Garbajosa can do good things on a shitty team like the Raptors. Put Bynum there playing 35 mins and he'll be the best 19 years old in the League and one of the best Centers of the whole NBA. Odon will do great BOTH because he's skilled, and because he'll probably end up in a team re-building around him.
I see what you're trying to say but the Hawks would be a great fit for him! Imagine Greg Oden with Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, and Speedy Claxton! :o
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Greg Odon will get picked #1 overall next year and prolly put up better numbers as a rookie than Bynum will in his 3rd season.
Once again.. y'all ain't considering the fact that Odon will probably end up in a shitty team like the Hawks or the 76ers or a wack team like those two. It's easier there to put big numbers, when the whole city/team is on your dick, the team is built around you and you're the best guy on the team. If he'll finish in a team like the Spurs, the Lakers, the Suns, etc.. i doubt he'll have the same numbers, man. You have to judge players after 10 years in the game, not 2 or 3 in a lottery team. Shit even Bargnani (i know him: he's good but he's no superstar!), or Parker, or Calderòn, or Garbajosa can do good things on a shitty team like the Raptors. Put Bynum there playing 35 mins and he'll be the best 19 years old in the League and one of the best Centers of the whole NBA. Odon will do great BOTH because he's skilled, and because he'll probably end up in a team re-building around him.
I see what you're trying to say but the Hawks would be a great fit for him! Imagine Greg Oden with Josh Smith, Joe Johnson, and Speedy Claxton! :o
that would be a scary lineup! Dont forget about Josh Childress too, hes playing really good right now.
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Yo stop acting like Bynum is playing behind some good players. He should be starting and playing mad minutes on the Lakers. Instead hes playing behind Cook and Turiaf LMAO Greg Odon would OWN those guys. Odon would start on the Lakers over Bynum right now.
Man i don't know what are you talking about. Dude is averaging 11.6 points, 8.7 rebs and 2.4 blocks per game as a starter in the 7 games of the month of january (27 minutes per game. Actually 10 minutes per game more than Turiaf and 2 more than Cook). Those are pretty good numbers for a 19 years old, if you ask me. Better than Howard's numbers as a 19 years old. That's what i'm saying. Get it? Greg Oden can carry Odom and Kobe's badges at the moment, like Bynum did last year. We ain't no Magic or Hawks. We have a 25-13 record without Odom, Brown and Mihm for most of our games. Another level.
and whatever you said about the raptors is bullshit....Parker, Bargnani and Garbajosa are all solid players. Peter Vescey on NBA TV called Calderon the best backup PG in the league. Those guys are the reason why players like Fred Jones and Morris Peterson arent getting playing time right now. Who are you trying to kid man?
Man i know Bargani and Garbajosa personally, and i've seen Parker and Calderòn playing more than you. You didn't get the point. I said that it's easier, if you got skills, to do great things in a shitty team like the Raptors. Those 4 has skills, and they're showing it. But right now Parker will probably be our 3rd SG behind Kobe and Evans, Calderòn will probably share some minutes with Parker and Farmar, Garbajosa will start from the bench to Brown and Bynum and Bargani will play off the bench too, behind Walton and Odom. And maybe Cook. So if they went to the Lakers instead of the Raptors it would have been hella harder for them to have the great numbers they're having in the Raps this year. That's what i'm saying.
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it's too early to determine right now. dwight howard looks like he could be a big name like zo, or mutumbo in their prime but, lets see in a year or two how bynum is playing and we'll come back to this debate......right now i'd choose howard over bynum , but who's to say bynum won't develope more...
bynum definately needs to muscle up if he wants to play the way he likes to play, i look at him and yeah he's big, but you want your center to be scary, and right now he's not THAT scary.
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Yo stop acting like Bynum is playing behind some good players. He should be starting and playing mad minutes on the Lakers. Instead hes playing behind Cook and Turiaf LMAO Greg Odon would OWN those guys. Odon would start on the Lakers over Bynum right now.
Man i don't know what are you talking about. Dude is averaging 11.6 points, 8.7 rebs and 2.4 blocks per game as a starter in the 7 games of the month of january (27 minutes per game. Actually 10 minutes per game more than Turiaf and 2 more than Cook). Those are pretty good numbers for a 19 years old, if you ask me. Better than Howard's numbers as a 19 years old. That's what i'm saying. Get it? Greg Odon will carry the badges on the Lakers, like Bynum did last year. We ain't no Magic or Hawks. We have a 25-13 record without Odom, Brown and Mihm for most of our games. Another level.
and whatever you said about the raptors is bullshit....Parker, Bargnani and Garbajosa are all solid players. Peter Vescey on NBA TV called Calderon the best backup PG in the league. Those guys are the reason why players like Fred Jones and Morris Peterson arent getting playing time right now. Who are you trying to kid man?
Man i know Bargani and Garbajosa personally, and i've seen Parker and Calderòn playing more than you. You didn't get the point. I said that it's easier, if you got skills, to do great things in a shitty team like the Raptors. Those 4 has skills, and they're showing it. But right now Parker will probably be our 3rd SG behind Kobe and Evans, Calderòn will probably share some minutes with Parker and Farmar, Garbajosa will start from the bench to Brown and Bynum and Bargani will play off the bench too, behind Walton and Odom. And maybe Cook. So if they went to the Lakers instead of the Raptors it would have been hella harder for them to have the great numbers they're having in the Raps this year. That's what i'm saying.
I still dont agree. How is Anthony Parker your 3rd string SG? Hes is the reigning 2 time Euro MVP. Lets look at it this way
Anthony Parker>>Morris Peterson>>Maurice Evans.....You could even make a case of starting Parker at SF for the Lakers if you had him. Calderon is = Smush (if not better) and better than Farmar right now. Garbajosa is underated, he does things on the floor that go un-noticed but hes a quiet leader, every coach would love to have him on the team. He doesnt make mistakes. Id say Garbajosa is on the same level as Luke Walton only with more experience. Kobe is the only real difference maker. You guys have one killer player (Kobe) one real good player (Odom) and the rest of the roster is average or poor. Toronto is in the growing stages right now, but in one or two seasons they will be a top team in the east with TJ Ford, Bosh and Bargnani growing into their potential, and all these solid roll players they have.
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Raptors got a nice international roster, it's too bad that some of those skilled international players join the NBA too late or get not recognized at all cause they dont play in US high schools and colleges... Parker had a great game against the Mavs lately, that Italian #1 pick has a bright future, very soft hands for his size, Calderon and Garbajosa got skills too
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Raptors got a nice international roster, it's too bad that some of those skilled international players join the NBA too late or get not recognized at all cause they dont play in US high schools and colleges... Parker had a great game against the Mavs lately, that Italian #1 pick has a bright future, very soft hands for his size, Calderon and Garbajosa got skills too
7even knows whats up! Im glad you made those comments, sometimes I feel alone on this laker infested board.
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Plant stop acting like an asshole. This is a collection of some of my posts made in october about your boys. I know them (more than you, like i said) and i respect them.
Anthony Parker is one of them players who made the history of European Basketball like Sabonis, Danilovic, Ginobili, Jasikevicius, Stojakovic, Marcus Brown..
Those players are seen as God's, here in Europe. Cause they were so damn good that they were like the Michael Jordan's of Europe.
Parker is no doubt the best player in Europe of the last 3-4 years, a fantastic SG capable of doing everything great, with a great basketball IQ and great skills.
I fucking love him: like i said to me he's like the Michael Jordan of European Basketball.
So that's why i understand the Maccabi player talking like that about him.
I'm sure a lot of fans here in Europe consider Anthony P as one of the best SG in the world.
Obviously LeBron is on a whole different planet.
But i got nothing but love and respect for Parker, a true champion and a great player.
Anyway i really don't get it how you americans handle your business.
You have a Free Agent like Anthony Parker and you spend money and time over 17 years old who can do 1/10 of the things Parker can?
How is it possible that nobody better than the Raps (no disrespect) made a good offer to him?
Shit i'd take Paker over 3/4 of the last draft.
Wow! I've just noticed Toronto acquired Jorge Garbajosa. And he's averaging 11 ppg. Wow! Like i said he's a really really good European style center who can hit the 3's like Nowitsky. I'm impressed by Toronto: Anthony Parker, Garbajosa, Bargani.. The fact one of their most important scout is italian must be a factor. I'll support them as my second team this year.
No man, i didn't know it. I made his name just cause i knew how good he is (he showed it in the last World Cup tournament tho) and how he is the perfect european C (great outside, wonderful 3pts shooting, great zonal defence, wack one on one defence). But it's not really a big surprise, if you ask me. I mean Toronto Raptors named former Benetton Treviso (an italian team) GM Maurizio Gherardini as the club's vice president and assistant general manager of Colangelo. I know Gherardini very well, he's a wonderful talent scout who worked extremely well in Treviso. He's the one who acquired Garbajosa when he was still a good but not superstar C in Treviso (and Treviso made him a superstar) and he's the one who helped Bargnani reach the NBA #1 draft pick playing in Treviso. So for him to select two former Treviso stars like PF Bargnani and to C Garbajosa had to be a natural thing. Plus Anthony Parker, well everybody in Europe knows he's the Michael Jordan of Euroleague. That explains why Colangelo did a great job this year. And that's what i'm talking about!! The NBA needs people like Maurizio Gherardini. I criticized the selection of Bargani saying Garbajosa was more ready for the NBA. Well.. Gherardini acquired both, so nothing to say, hands down, great offseason for him.
About Halperin i must admit he's a pretty good talent, but he's not yet ready for the NBA. This year, without Parker, it will be an "in or out" season for him. He has to step us as the leader of Maccabi, so i'll just wait and see him. If you want a name of a player who will make noise in the next NBA draft it is Marco Belinelli, an italian all-around player from Bologna. I predict him to be selected in one the first 5 positions. I prefeer him to Halperin, by far (if Sasha Vujacic can be in the rotation in the Lakers... Belinelli can START!).
Remember my words.
What about Calderon, man? He's a very skilled PG imo. An "american" type of european PG, lol. Plus you guys signed Nesterovic too. I know him very well (he played in Bologna, Italy). Not a big signing, but you'll need him in your rotation cause he can spend fouls. Damn the team is looking real good. Congrats.
You just didn't understand a damn thing about the difference between playing in the Lakers with Phil as a coach and playing in the Raps, the Hawks, the 76ers, etc..
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Raptors got a nice international roster, it's too bad that some of those skilled international players join the NBA too late or get not recognized at all cause they dont play in US high schools and colleges... Parker had a great game against the Mavs lately, that Italian #1 pick has a bright future, very soft hands for his size, Calderon and Garbajosa got skills too
7even knows whats up! Im glad you made those comments, sometimes I feel alone on this laker infested board.
What the hell? I'm the one who told you about Parker before you even knew who he was...I gave him props as well as Bargnani, and even Garbajosa is playing surprisingly good...Calderon is on a come up, but as of now he's not comparable to Smush. Play some fantasy basketball, players like Bargnani, Garbajosa, Calderon, and even Anthony Parker are all typically in the FA draft pool despite playing for the Raptors, while players like Luke, Bynum, and Smush as of late will usually be found on someone's roster, even when playing on a stacked team like the Lakers. I know fantasy basketball doesn't mean everything, but it's just an indication...Again, no diss to the Raptors, I think they have a very bright future, but it's just a joke to currently compare them to the Lakers...In fact, weren't you the one who said Raptors would be better than the Lakers before this season? :laugh:
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He's just jealous ;D :D
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right now Howard. but who knows what time will bring
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Raptors got a nice international roster, it's too bad that some of those skilled international players join the NBA too late or get not recognized at all cause they dont play in US high schools and colleges... Parker had a great game against the Mavs lately, that Italian #1 pick has a bright future, very soft hands for his size, Calderon and Garbajosa got skills too
7even knows whats up! Im glad you made those comments, sometimes I feel alone on this laker infested board.
What the hell? I'm the one who told you about Parker before you even knew who he was...I gave him props as well as Bargnani, and even Garbajosa is playing surprisingly good...Calderon is on a come up, but as of now he's not comparable to Smush. Play some fantasy basketball, players like Bargnani, Garbajosa, Calderon, and even Anthony Parker are all typically in the FA draft pool despite playing for the Raptors, while players like Luke, Bynum, and Smush as of late will usually be found on someone's roster, even when playing on a stacked team like the Lakers. I know fantasy basketball doesn't mean everything, but it's just an indication...Again, no diss to the Raptors, I think they have a very bright future, but it's just a joke to currently compare them to the Lakers...In fact, weren't you the one who said Raptors would be better than the Lakers before this season? :laugh:
Luke was a fuckin STEAL! I took him in the last round of the draft and he paid off. But I had to drop him to make room for Pau Gasol :-\
I never thought about pickin up Bargnani. Hmmm...
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Raptors got a nice international roster, it's too bad that some of those skilled international players join the NBA too late or get not recognized at all cause they dont play in US high schools and colleges... Parker had a great game against the Mavs lately, that Italian #1 pick has a bright future, very soft hands for his size, Calderon and Garbajosa got skills too
7even knows whats up! Im glad you made those comments, sometimes I feel alone on this laker infested board.
What the hell? I'm the one who told you about Parker before you even knew who he was...I gave him props as well as Bargnani, and even Garbajosa is playing surprisingly good...Calderon is on a come up, but as of now he's not comparable to Smush. Play some fantasy basketball, players like Bargnani, Garbajosa, Calderon, and even Anthony Parker are all typically in the FA draft pool despite playing for the Raptors, while players like Luke, Bynum, and Smush as of late will usually be found on someone's roster, even when playing on a stacked team like the Lakers. I know fantasy basketball doesn't mean everything, but it's just an indication...Again, no diss to the Raptors, I think they have a very bright future, but it's just a joke to currently compare them to the Lakers...In fact, weren't you the one who said Raptors would be better than the Lakers before this season? :laugh:
Im in a 14 team league on Yahoo Sports and all of the Raptor players you listed are on teams, Parker is on my team. Id rather have Garbajosa, Parker and maybe even Bargnani in my lineup than many of the Lakers. Altho Luke Walton is having a real good fantasy year. Im really dissapointed with Rodmanovich. You better pick up Calderon if hes still available, he had 11 points and 9 assists last night. Garbajosa had 16, 6 & 3.
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Raptors got a nice international roster, it's too bad that some of those skilled international players join the NBA too late or get not recognized at all cause they dont play in US high schools and colleges... Parker had a great game against the Mavs lately, that Italian #1 pick has a bright future, very soft hands for his size, Calderon and Garbajosa got skills too
7even knows whats up! Im glad you made those comments, sometimes I feel alone on this laker infested board.
What the hell? I'm the one who told you about Parker before you even knew who he was...I gave him props as well as Bargnani, and even Garbajosa is playing surprisingly good...Calderon is on a come up, but as of now he's not comparable to Smush. Play some fantasy basketball, players like Bargnani, Garbajosa, Calderon, and even Anthony Parker are all typically in the FA draft pool despite playing for the Raptors, while players like Luke, Bynum, and Smush as of late will usually be found on someone's roster, even when playing on a stacked team like the Lakers. I know fantasy basketball doesn't mean everything, but it's just an indication...Again, no diss to the Raptors, I think they have a very bright future, but it's just a joke to currently compare them to the Lakers...In fact, weren't you the one who said Raptors would be better than the Lakers before this season? :laugh:
Im in a 14 team league on Yahoo Sports and all of the Raptor players you listed are on teams, Parker is on my team. Id rather have Garbajosa, Parker and maybe even Bargnani in my lineup than many of the Lakers. Altho Luke Walton is having a real good fantasy year. Im really dissapointed with Rodmanovich. You better pick up Calderon if hes still available, he had 11 points and 9 assists last night. Garbajosa had 16, 6 & 3.
I should pick up Calderon (7 points, 4 assist average) in a fantasy league? Are you fucking kidding me!? And which point guard should I drop for him, Gilbert Arenas, Jason Kidd, or Mo Williams... :laugh:
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3 years later and the guy probably still thinks Bynum is better
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3 years later and the guy probably still thinks Bynum is better
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Bynum: 10.3 points and 6.7 rebounds per game
amazing numbers hahaha
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5 people voted Bynum :laugh:
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Bynum was better in his final season playin semi healthy ....... them knees just did him in, but he was clearly the better post player at his peak.
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Dwight has many seasons better than that one good Bynum year :laugh:
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if u read my posts in this thread from start to finish, they were prophetic ..... Bynum would be dominating the center position if his knees didn't give out.
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woulda coulda shoulda but didn't
dwight has lead the league in rebounding how many times??