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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on October 02, 2022, 06:16:03 AM
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That’s still selling out. I mean it’s hard to say no when someone puts 25,000 in your face back then. But still, he’s kind of admitting to selling out his homie Dre who put him on and got him on his biggest and classic famous records.
https://youtu.be/aNCgXbglPUg
https://youtu.be/vSzkWw1tJ7A
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interesting but i’m not surprised
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interesting but i’m not surprised
well for his side he said that Dre wasn't really paying him when he was doing the stuff with Dre.. but Dre was supposed to be the music guy so Suge or somebody else at the label should of been making sure Flex was paid. Dre really made a colossal mistake when he went 50/50 with Suge if he had just gone 51/49 then everything would have been fine.
Nate Dogg was in that classic MTV documentary on the fall of Death Row and he actually didn't find out it wasn't Dre's label until Dre actually left the label (with virtually nothing). He was under the impression the whole time that it was Dre's label, and that Suge had a piece of ownership or whatever but it was ultimately Dre's label.
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J-Flex was a dope writer but without Dre delivering the raps "Who Been There, Who Done That" really didn't hit the same
Dre's voice was as key as Flex's lyrics were to all those hits
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J-Flex was a dope writer but without Dre delivering the raps "Who Been There, Who Done That" really didn't hit the same
Dre's voice was as key as Flex's lyrics were to all those hits
I agree that when it dropped "Been There Done That" sounded like a slight let down compared to the string of epic all time bangers Dre had been on with "Natural Born Killaz", "Heads Ringin'" and "California Love" (All written by Flex).
But looking back "Been There Done That" was so timely and visionary I think it's one of the all time cuts in rap history. Dre had to rap more smooth on the track because it's theme is like an O.G. looking back on his life (not like a young buck out to prove something).
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Probably the first time I have to respectfully disagree with you on 90's rap—I agree that when it dropped "Been There Done That" sounded like a slight let down compared to the string of epic all time bangers Dre had been on with "Natural Born Killaz", "Heads Ringin'" and "California Love" (All written by Flex).
But looking back "Been There Done That" was so timely and visionary I think it's one of the all time cuts in rap history. Dre had to rap more smooth on the track because it's theme is like an O.G. looking back on his life.
i think you misunderstood his post
he said j-flex’s solo track “who been there who done that” wasnt as good as the stuff he was writing for dre because j-flex had mediocre delivery on the mic
everyone agrees that “been there done that” was classic
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i think you misunderstood his post
he said j-flex’s solo track “who been there who done that” wasnt as good as the stuff he was writing for dre because j-flex had mediocre delivery on the mic
everyone agrees that “been there done that” was classic
Yeah you're right, he was talking about Flex's joint (not the classic that Flex wrote for Dre). So in that case the streak of always agreeing on 90's rap continues...
Flex's joint "Who's Been There Done That" from the Death Row Greatest Hits album was garbage and part of what ruined Death Row. Suge and Dre's original agreement was Dre was supposed to have quality control and Suge was supposed to stay out of the way of the music making process. But he started bringing around subpar mc's like Hammer and OFTB. Then it was his big idea to have Flex record a low class diss track which dragged down the integrity and status of the label.
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The diss is a classic though. The truth always hurts. It's a shame they haven't worked together after it though. If I remember right, Dr. Dre wanted to connect with J. Flexx again, but for some reason they didn't link up? Flexx spoke on it in one of his interviews he did earlier this year or maybe last year.
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I’ve always liked J. Flexx’s Dre diss pretty much since I first heard it, and got round to listening to Dre’s track that it takes after a whole lot later. I find myself running a lot of the lines through my head whenever I listen to it, and it’s such a happy and positive sounding diss record compared to all the others out there.
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Yeah you're right, he was talking about Flex's joint (not the classic that Flex wrote for Dre). So in that case the streak of always agreeing on 90's rap continues...
Flex's joint "Who's Been There Done That" from the Death Row Greatest Hits album was garbage and part of what ruined Death Row. Suge and Dre's original agreement was Dre was supposed to have quality control and Suge was supposed to stay out of the way of the music making process. But he started bringing around subpar mc's like Hammer and OFTB. Then it was his big idea to have Flex record a low class diss track which dragged down the integrity and status of the label.
You're really overestimating how impactful Who Been There was on the decline of DR. It was on a compilation that no one bought thwas released after both Dre and Snoop left and after Pac died. I'm not even certain Daz, Kurupt, and Soopafly we're even still on the label when it finally hit store shelves.
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I’ve always liked J. Flexx’s Dre diss pretty much since I first heard it, and got round to listening to Dre’s track that it takes after a whole lot later. I find myself running a lot of the lines through my head whenever I listen to it, and it’s such a happy and positive sounding diss record compared to all the others out there.
that’s kinda crazy that u heard dre’s later considering it was a commercial hit
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that’s kinda crazy that u heard dre’s later considering it was a commercial hit
I properly started listening to rap in the very late 90s/early 2000s and Death Row Greatest Hits was one of the first albums I bought. That Dre track from the Aftermath compilation I’m pretty sure got no play on the radio over here in the UK and I only really heard it comparatively recently.
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I properly started listening to rap in the very late 90s/early 2000s and Death Row Greatest Hits was one of the first albums I bought. That Dre track from the Aftermath compilation I’m pretty sure got no play on the radio over here in the UK and I only really heard it comparatively recently.
makes sense
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25k for one track is a lot of money even now
I liked the diss track I thought the beat was dope and j Flexx flowed nicely
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25k for one track is a lot of money even now
I liked the diss track I thought the beat was dope and j Flexx flowed nicely
The beat samples "ain't no fun" & yeah j-flexx doin his thing. "You'll never be quincy jones of rap"
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You're really overestimating how impactful Who Been There was on the decline of DR. It was on a compilation that no one bought thwas released after both Dre and Snoop left and after Pac died. I'm not even certain Daz, Kurupt, and Soopafly we're even still on the label when it finally hit store shelves.
not sure what you are talking about.
Death Row's greatest hits came out near the tail end of 1996' and Snoop's Doggfather was still working the charts at the time, his second single "Vapors" was still making its rounds and the third single "Doggfather" was still being filmed and dropping--so Snoop was very much still on Death Row. As for Sooopafly, he was becoming the MAN at Death Row along with Daz, when they released "Put the Monkey In It" early summer 97' for the NOthing to Lose Soundtrack Soopafly and Daz were most definitely card carrying inmates on Death Row.
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not sure what you are talking about.
Death Row's greatest hits came out near the tail end of 1996' and Snoop's Doggfather was still working the charts at the time, his second single "Vapors" was still making its rounds and the third single "Doggfather" was still being filmed and dropping--so Snoop was very much still on Death Row. As for Sooopafly, he was becoming the MAN at Death Row along with Daz, when they released "Put the Monkey In It" early summer 97' for the NOthing to Lose Soundtrack Soopafly and Daz were most definitely card carrying inmates on Death Row.
My mistake. I got confused and thought that Who Been There was released on Chronic 2000. Either way, I don't think it had that big of an effect on the collapse of Death Row. Death Row fell apart because (1) 2Pac and BIG died and mainstream radio blamed the Westcoast and wouldn't play their music outside of a few artists and (b) Suge couldn't stay out of jail.
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My mistake. I got confused and thought that Who Been There was released on Chronic 2000. Either way, I don't think it had that big of an effect on the collapse of Death Row. Death Row fell apart because (1) 2Pac and BIG died and mainstream radio blamed the Westcoast and wouldn't play their music outside of a few artists and (b) Suge couldn't stay out of jail.
Yeah I can confirm for a fact that Snoop got zero radio play in NYC from "Tha Doggfather" album...the only west coast artist that got consistent play here after Pacs death was Pac until Bitch Please came out in '99
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Yeah I can confirm for a fact that Snoop got zero radio play in NYC from "Tha Doggfather" album...the only west coast artist that got consistent play here after Pacs death was Pac until Bitch Please came out in '99
Didn't know you were from the East Coast? So you were showing love to the West when everyone else out there was beefing? What was that like? In the midwest everyone was riding with the West Coast until 2pac died and Doggfather underwhelmed--then everyone flipped to Bad Boy and No Limit. Lot of ignorant fans in midwest.
Yeah.. "Bitch Please" brought about the West resurgence for sure.
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Didn't know you were from the East Coast? So you were showing love to the West when everyone else out there was beefing? What was that like? In the midwest everyone was riding with the West Coast until 2pac died and Doggfather underwhelmed--then everyone flipped to Bad Boy and No Limit. Lot of ignorant fans in midwest.
Yeah.. "Bitch Please" brought about the West resurgence for sure.
yeah I grew up in a part of Queens not too far from the QB projects...I actually put a lot of my friends on to West Coast music when they were listening to Nas, Mobb Deep and CNN...basically we were listening to both west and east (mostly QB) but were always riding with Pac and Death Row against Biggie and Bad Boy till the end
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J-Flexx always had dope songs not really feeling his post drama stuff but he's talented
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I'm still waiting for Flexx to write a hit for himself lol that'll happen in Neveruary lol
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yeah I grew up in a part of Queens not too far from the QB projects...I actually put a lot of my friends on to West Coast music when they were listening to Nas, Mobb Deep and CNN...basically we were listening to both west and east (mostly QB) but were always riding with Pac and Death Row against Biggie and Bad Boy till the end
Y’all
Didn’t fuck with BIG?
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Y’all
Didn’t fuck with BIG?
at the time no…I started listening to Biggie after he passed in ‘97
he definitely got his respect in Queens while he was alive, though not at Nas or Mobb level
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Y’all
Didn’t fuck with BIG?
Nah.. Pac warned us about Big.
You can't listen to something just because it sounds good. There are 4 pathways to the heart. What we see, what we hear, what we feel, and what we think.. all reaches the heart. It goes in through your ear hole and into your subconscious and makes you follow Shatan.
Pac was Black Jesus and Puffy was working for the devil.
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I'm still waiting for Flexx to write a hit for himself lol that'll happen in Neveruary lol
Cool. His unreleased album is great though.
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Cool. His unreleased album is great though.
I'll second this. It was pretty dope. Sad that E1 couldn't get us more unreleased music before they went under.
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25k for one track is a lot of money even now
I liked the diss track I thought the beat was dope and j Flexx flowed nicely
2Pac got 250 000 for one Song from da row in 94
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He paid him $500 for Natural Born Killers - and the publishing was waived on it. The other songs I forget how much. I mean, I understand it to a degree especially when you have to send Suge up to the office to get your publishing check for Been There Done That because Dre won't send it. I still like both sides though.
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2Pac got 250 000 for one Song from da row in 94
Yeah this deal has been talked about too damn much.
Yeah and sometimes stories get over analyzed to the point where a controversy is made when there’s no controversy. Like Bomb 1st/Suge/Reggie vs. Snoop over this who was Pacs friend first and who brought Pac to Death Row shit is dumb.
They all had love and they all was homies. So they all wanted Pac on Death Row and they all had run ins and dealings with Pac at various random times so it’s not a case of “oh it’s cause of Suge” or “oh it’s cause of Snoop”. They all had love in the good ol days for good music and good homies and so it was a group effort to bring Pac and so it’s senseless to argue about.
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Yeah this deal has been talked about too damn much.
Yeah and sometimes stories get over analyzed to the point where a controversy is made when there’s no controversy. Like Bomb 1st/Suge/Reggie vs. Snoop over this who was Pacs friend first and who brought Pac to Death Row shit is dumb.
They all had love and they all was homies. So they all wanted Pac on Death Row and they all had run ins and dealings with Pac at various random times so it’s not a case of “oh it’s cause of Suge” or “oh it’s cause of Snoop”. They all had love in the good ol days for good music and good homies and so it was a group effort to bring Pac and so it’s senseless to argue about.
Agree but remember Natasha Walker Interview where she claimed DRR jacked Pac's Lingo?
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Yeah this deal has been talked about too damn much.
Yeah and sometimes stories get over analyzed to the point where a controversy is made when there’s no controversy. Like Bomb 1st/Suge/Reggie vs. Snoop over this who was Pacs friend first and who brought Pac to Death Row shit is dumb.
They all had love and they all was homies. So they all wanted Pac on Death Row and they all had run ins and dealings with Pac at various random times so it’s not a case of “oh it’s cause of Suge” or “oh it’s cause of Snoop”. They all had love in the good ol days for good music and good homies and so it was a group effort to bring Pac and so it’s senseless to argue about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfRIDpD12Y8