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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: jeromechickenbone on November 29, 2007, 08:06:28 PM
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And what.
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i think everyone knows this. if griffey didn't get so injured he'd be almost near the record.
but with that said he's still one of the all time leaders in home runs. that i think is more impressive than actually getting the record on juice.
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loooooooooool
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Very much true. Ken Griffey Jr. has been very solid player since first years with Seatles. Barry Bonds hit a many home runs as he got older. He also got very big as he got older too, but I think is khrum may have not done the same.
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LOL. Media puppets.
Bonds career before 1998>>>> Griffey's whole career
We will never see another combo of power and speed like Bonds ever again 8)
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A-Rod>>>>>KGJ>>>>>>>HGH Boy 8)
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LOL. Media puppets.
Bonds career before 1998>>>> Griffey's whole career
We will never see another combo of power and speed like Bonds ever again 8)
Get the fuck out w/ this "media puppets" bullshit. I been following Griffey since the late 80's, prolly before you were born. Griffey's fielding completely shits all over Bonds. Griffey has argueably the greatest pure swing of all time, and he would have broken Aaron's record easily had he not been injured over the last 7 years. Oh yeah, and the minor fact that he did it without taking roids unlike your god Barry. Barry is a fucking cheat and a disgrace to the game.
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^^^hahaha. thx for proving my point with that post media puppet.
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how is he a media puppet? dude took the same shit that marion jones took and she forefitted her olympic medals and admitted to cheating. why can't barry jsut save himself and do a little damage control and man up to his shit. accept the asterisk and move on with life. oooooh wait it's too late for that now....the feds already put his lying on blast.
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^^The last 15 years is the steroid era, everyone was doing it, I have researched steroids and baseball like crazy, read numerous books, I know more about the subject then everyone on these forums combined. The whole game was juiced and you can thank Bud Selig and the owners. And how the fuck do we know Griffey was and is clean LOL!! Everyone said Canseco was full of shit when he said Raffy Palmeiro juiced and then Raffy tested positive for roids and all the media puppets had to bite their fuckin lip.
It aint just Bonds, it was everyone. And research the fuckin topic, it is a known fact (even from the biggest bonds haters investigating the case will tell you) that Bonds was clean from 86-98. and in those 13 years he already had become one of the best 4 or 5 players ever.
and LOL at people thinking the all of a sudden enormous A-Roid is clean.
Once again Spice sonnes them all, this is getting to easy 8)
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^^The last 15 years is the steroid era, everyone was doing it, I have researched steroids and baseball like crazy, read numerous books, I know more about the subject then everyone on these forums combined. The whole game was juiced and you can thank Bud Selig and the owners. And how the fuck do we know Griffey was and is clean LOL!! Everyone said Canseco was full of shit when he said Raffy Palmeiro juiced and then Raffy tested positive for roids and all the media puppets had to bite their fuckin lip.
It aint just Bonds, it was everyone. And research the fuckin topic, it is a known fact (even from the biggest bonds haters investigating the case will tell you) that Bonds was clean from 86-98. and in those 13 years he already had become one of the best 4 or 5 players ever.
and LOL at people thinking the all of a sudden enormous A-Roid is clean.
Once again Spice sonnes them all, this is getting to easy 8)
Griffey looks the exact same as he always has, cept maybe a bigger gut. He's never been any sort of physical freak, just an amazing athlete. His numbers were consistent his entire career. He's never been on the juice bruh.
Griffey completely shits on Bonds in the 90's. WAY better fielder, better arm, better swing, better hitter. Griffey's only issue was injuries and thats because he went so hard in the field.
Bonds couldn't even throw out Sid Bream at home plate! But you prolly don't remember that anyway since you jumped on the bandwagon after he came to San Fran and hopped on the juice.
You sonned us again? Drop the douche bag act bro, you're not impressing anybody.
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^^The last 15 years is the steroid era, everyone was doing it, I have researched steroids and baseball like crazy, read numerous books, I know more about the subject then everyone on these forums combined. The whole game was juiced and you can thank Bud Selig and the owners. And how the fuck do we know Griffey was and is clean LOL!! Everyone said Canseco was full of shit when he said Raffy Palmeiro juiced and then Raffy tested positive for roids and all the media puppets had to bite their fuckin lip.
It aint just Bonds, it was everyone. And research the fuckin topic, it is a known fact (even from the biggest bonds haters investigating the case will tell you) that Bonds was clean from 86-98. and in those 13 years he already had become one of the best 4 or 5 players ever.
and LOL at people thinking the all of a sudden enormous A-Roid is clean.
Once again Spice sonnes them all, this is getting to easy 8)
He really
Actually when Raffy's name was first mentioned at lot of people said it makes sense. He really wasn't a power hitter untill he started to play with Canseco. I thought you said you researched your shit and knew more on the subject then the whole dubcc. You didn't even know a that the cocktail Bonds was taking does improve hand eye coordination. You're the biggest fucking tool the place has ever seen.
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^^The last 15 years is the steroid era, everyone was doing it, I have researched steroids and baseball like crazy, read numerous books, I know more about the subject then everyone on these forums combined. The whole game was juiced and you can thank Bud Selig and the owners. And how the fuck do we know Griffey was and is clean LOL!! Everyone said Canseco was full of shit when he said Raffy Palmeiro juiced and then Raffy tested positive for roids and all the media puppets had to bite their fuckin lip.
It aint just Bonds, it was everyone. And research the fuckin topic, it is a known fact (even from the biggest bonds haters investigating the case will tell you) that Bonds was clean from 86-98. and in those 13 years he already had become one of the best 4 or 5 players ever.
and LOL at people thinking the all of a sudden enormous A-Roid is clean.
Once again Spice sonnes them all, this is getting to easy 8)
Bonds couldn't even throw out Sid Bream at home plate! But you prolly don't remember that anyway since you jumped on the bandwagon after he came to San Fran and hopped on the juice.
Bonds always had a weak arm. He had one of the quickest glove to hand transfers in the game but if it wasn't for that it would be even more obvious that he has the arm of a girl. But spice doesn't care he loves Barry for Barry.
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Bonds was clean up till 98...he was great around then...he could've retired and made the hall of fame i believe.
BUT...he decide to follow the crowd...cuz A), he has an ego B) he's a jackass
EVERYONE hated him before he took steroids
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You know whats funny about Bonds. He started to juice because he was jealous like a woman. Maybe thats why spice likes him so much, they both act like women. But thats besides the point. He juiced b/c he has a huge ego and wanted more credit. But if Barrioid just stayed clean he could of bragged about how all his accomplishments were legit in the steroid era. Instead he got jealous like a woman of McGwire and Sosa and followed there lead. And he ending up shooting himself in the foot. Now everything from 99 and on isn't acknowledged by fans. There are even fans that wont even acknowledge what he did while he was clean. It couldn't happen to a better person.
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Baseball and every other sport has been on roids since the 60s. People just won't acknowledge that because then you'd have to go back to all the legends of every sport and raise questions. All the boxers of the 60s and 70s were probably juiced. The football players. It's not cheating if everyone is doing it. Does anyone really think ol' Hank never juiced really? Let the numbers tell the story. Right around the same time Aaron started to look like he might slump when he hit 24 HRs was around the same time the shit stated getting big in the bodybuilding world. Aaron then comes back with 32 and then 44 HRs. Then again when he slumped to below 30 (something very rare for him) he jumps right back with 40. In '68 he hit 29 dingers with over 600 at bats then 5 years later he hits 40 with under 400 at bats? I don't buy it. Anyone else notice that how the year after the record was his for sure his numbers fell drastically. My guess is he jumped on the juice when it looked like he was about to lose it then he tried to get off his numbers fell so he jumped back on and after the record was his he went off for good.
I don't even care. Athletes have been cheating to win since day one, and most just don't want to be left behind because of their "morals" so they take it just to keep up. Every big name athlete is on something whether its legal of illegal.
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Baseball and every other sport has been on roids since the 60s. People just won't acknowledge that because then you'd have to go back to all the legends of every sport and raise questions. All the boxers of the 60s and 70s were probably juiced. The football players. It's not cheating if everyone is doing it. Does anyone really think ol' Hank never juiced really? Let the numbers tell the story. Right around the same time Aaron started to look like he might slump when he hit 24 HRs was around the same time the shit stated getting big in the bodybuilding world. Aaron then comes back with 32 and then 44 HRs. Then again when he slumped to below 30 (something very rare for him) he jumps right back with 40. In '68 he hit 29 dingers with over 600 at bats then 5 years later he hits 40 with under 400 at bats? I don't buy it. Anyone else notice that how the year after the record was his for sure his numbers fell drastically. My guess is he jumped on the juice when it looked like he was about to lose it then he tried to get off his numbers fell so he jumped back on and after the record was his he went off for good.
I don't even care. Athletes have been cheating to win since day one, and most just don't want to be left behind because of their "morals" so they take it just to keep up. Every big name athlete is on something whether its legal of illegal.
finally some intelligence from someone else.
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Baseball and every other sport has been on roids since the 60s. People just won't acknowledge that because then you'd have to go back to all the legends of every sport and raise questions. All the boxers of the 60s and 70s were probably juiced. The football players. It's not cheating if everyone is doing it. Does anyone really think ol' Hank never juiced really? Let the numbers tell the story. Right around the same time Aaron started to look like he might slump when he hit 24 HRs was around the same time the shit stated getting big in the bodybuilding world. Aaron then comes back with 32 and then 44 HRs. Then again when he slumped to below 30 (something very rare for him) he jumps right back with 40. In '68 he hit 29 dingers with over 600 at bats then 5 years later he hits 40 with under 400 at bats? I don't buy it. Anyone else notice that how the year after the record was his for sure his numbers fell drastically. My guess is he jumped on the juice when it looked like he was about to lose it then he tried to get off his numbers fell so he jumped back on and after the record was his he went off for good.
I don't even care. Athletes have been cheating to win since day one, and most just don't want to be left behind because of their "morals" so they take it just to keep up. Every big name athlete is on something whether its legal of illegal.
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This is really really stupid. I'm sorry but you can't paint everyone with the same brush. I see no evidence and have no reason to believe that the great players of today like ARod, Santana or Ichiro are on steroids. You can't just say, "well everyone is/was doing it" because there is simply zero evidence to support that statement.
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Baseball and every other sport has been on roids since the 60s. People just won't acknowledge that because then you'd have to go back to all the legends of every sport and raise questions. All the boxers of the 60s and 70s were probably juiced. The football players. It's not cheating if everyone is doing it. Does anyone really think ol' Hank never juiced really? Let the numbers tell the story. Right around the same time Aaron started to look like he might slump when he hit 24 HRs was around the same time the shit stated getting big in the bodybuilding world. Aaron then comes back with 32 and then 44 HRs. Then again when he slumped to below 30 (something very rare for him) he jumps right back with 40. In '68 he hit 29 dingers with over 600 at bats then 5 years later he hits 40 with under 400 at bats? I don't buy it. Anyone else notice that how the year after the record was his for sure his numbers fell drastically. My guess is he jumped on the juice when it looked like he was about to lose it then he tried to get off his numbers fell so he jumped back on and after the record was his he went off for good.
I don't even care. Athletes have been cheating to win since day one, and most just don't want to be left behind because of their "morals" so they take it just to keep up. Every big name athlete is on something whether its legal of illegal.
So two off seasons equal roids to you. Especially a off year when he was 30 years old and in his prime. Maybe he was playing injured that year. If he had a couple of off seasons then his HR totals went back the norm you would have a argument. Of if he hit more HR's at the end of his career then he did during the prime you could. Two off seasons do not equal Roids. Or maybe you could look at a pic of Hank Aaron and even though he was a big guy he is still smaller then todays players.
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Bonds - 6'2 229lbs
A-Rod - 6'3 226lbs
LOL at the media puppets thinking A-Roid is clean
(waits for some more idiotic posts)
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Bonds - 6'2 229lbs
A-Rod - 6'3 226lbs
LOL at the media puppets thinking A-Roid is clean
(waits for some more idiotic posts)
That's some compelling evidence you have there. lol
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Bonds - 6'2 229lbs
A-Rod - 6'3 226lbs
LOL at the media puppets thinking A-Roid is clean
(waits for some more idiotic posts)
Don't know if A-Rod is clean or not, but you're basing it on the fact that he is taller and lighter than Bonds? Am I missing something here?
But lets remember - Griffey Jr. >>>Bonds.
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Baseball and every other sport has been on roids since the 60s. People just won't acknowledge that because then you'd have to go back to all the legends of every sport and raise questions. All the boxers of the 60s and 70s were probably juiced. The football players. It's not cheating if everyone is doing it. Does anyone really think ol' Hank never juiced really? Let the numbers tell the story. Right around the same time Aaron started to look like he might slump when he hit 24 HRs was around the same time the shit stated getting big in the bodybuilding world. Aaron then comes back with 32 and then 44 HRs. Then again when he slumped to below 30 (something very rare for him) he jumps right back with 40. In '68 he hit 29 dingers with over 600 at bats then 5 years later he hits 40 with under 400 at bats? I don't buy it. Anyone else notice that how the year after the record was his for sure his numbers fell drastically. My guess is he jumped on the juice when it looked like he was about to lose it then he tried to get off his numbers fell so he jumped back on and after the record was his he went off for good.
I don't even care. Athletes have been cheating to win since day one, and most just don't want to be left behind because of their "morals" so they take it just to keep up. Every big name athlete is on something whether its legal of illegal.
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This is really really stupid. I'm sorry but you can't paint everyone with the same brush. I see no evidence and have no reason to believe that the great players of today like ARod, Santana or Ichiro are on steroids. You can't just say, "well everyone is/was doing it" because there is simply zero evidence to support that statement.
Steroids don't just make you look huge. In fact there are ways to take it it that have little effect on size. Diego Maradona never grew like Bonds. Take a look at a lot of 80s pro wrestlers. They took the roids to look cut, but they were the same size as before. Bonds took the roids but he was also in the gym all the time. What steroids do though is make you stronger and faster. They give you this energy but more importantly they take a lot more away when you get off them. I know a guy who made it to the minor leagues a few years back. Even at the tryouts everyone was juicing, and at least 90% of the team was on the juice. A couple of his friends on other teams saw the exact same thing. He never juiced and he was sent home pretty quickly because he couldn't keep up. One of his friends wh I knew a little juiced up just to stay in the hunt. He did okay but didn't make it too far in the end. But when he came home he realized he had to stay on just to be as good as he was before. When he went off the roids his bat power fell to a level far lower than it was before the roids.
Keep in mind it wasn't a bad thing in the 60s like it is today. And in a time of spit balls and corked bats a little pick me up was an easy way to stay competetive in the MLB.
Of courswe none of this Home Run King stuff matters. Babe Ruth is, was, and always be the best home run hitter. I read that the year he hit 60 he had at least 20 pop outs near the fence at Yankee Stadium. So if they used the current measurements of the stadium all of those would have been Homeruns, making it 80 for the year.
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Bonds - 6'2 229lbs
A-Rod - 6'3 226lbs
LOL at the media puppets thinking A-Roid is clean
(waits for some more idiotic posts)
Don't know if A-Rod is clean or not, but you're basing it on the fact that he is taller and lighter than Bonds? Am I missing something here?
But lets remember - Griffey Jr. >>>Bonds.
The point I am making is everyone says Bonds is guilty because he is so fuckin big for a baseball player and Arod is extremely comparable in size.
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Bonds - 6'2 229lbs
A-Rod - 6'3 226lbs
LOL at the media puppets thinking A-Roid is clean
(waits for some more idiotic posts)
Don't know if A-Rod is clean or not, but you're basing it on the fact that he is taller and lighter than Bonds? Am I missing something here?
But lets remember - Griffends only evy Jr. >>>Bonds.
The point I am making is everyone says Bonds is guilty because he is so fuckin big for a baseball player and Arod is extremely comparable in size.
And most pitchers are on roids too so even if Aaron never touched the stuff and the pitchers back then never did either Bonds only evened the playing field in today's game.
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Pitching speeds have been the same over the years.... Nolan Ryan and J.R. Richardson used to break the 100 mph mark and that was in the late 70's/early 80's. More pitchers back then used to "finish" games as oppossed to today's pitchers which are pulled after a 5 inning performance.
If pitchers are on Roids, it's not making much of a difference.
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Pitching speeds have been the same over the years.... Nolan Ryan and J.R. Richardson used to break the 100 mph mark and that was in the late 70's/early 80's. More pitchers back then used to "finish" games as oppossed to today's pitchers which are pulled after a 5 inning performance.
If pitchers are on Roids, it's not making much of a difference.
Top speeds for top pitchers are the same. Cy Young could throy a cyclone, hence the name, but to have so many pitchers on so many teams constantly breaking the 90s over and over for so many years says something. And steroids were around in the 70s and 80s. It hit the sports world in the 50s but no one wants to talk about about because then we'd have to look at heroes like Muhammad Ali, Micky Mantle, and Roger Maris's 61 in '61 now gets called into question. It would cast such a shadow over so many people's biggest heroes and would hurt the credibility of the game.
Let me give you a history lesson; the USSR used steroids to make sure their olympic team won a bag of medals in '52, '56, and '60. Around '58 the US, after a terrible loss to the USSR in '56, decided that the Soviets had an advantage that needed to become a US advantage. Right away it became part of the olympic training and quickly made it's way to the rest of sports. By '64 when the program was off it's feet the US came back like a rocket in the olympics and in '68 they ran right over the Soviets. So any american athlete that acheived anything after 1958 is a possible steroid user. And any olympian that won anything during the Cold War was definately on the juice. Whether that be Mike Tyson or George Foreman. They wouldn't even have had to know it but they were on it.
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Bonds - 6'2 229lbs
A-Rod - 6'3 226lbs
LOL at the media puppets thinking A-Roid is clean
(waits for some more idiotic posts)
Don't know if A-Rod is clean or not, but you're basing it on the fact that he is taller and lighter than Bonds? Am I missing something here?
But lets remember - Griffey Jr. >>>Bonds.
The point I am making is everyone says Bonds is guilty because he is so fuckin big for a baseball player and Arod is extremely comparable in size.
wtf, I know plenty of people that big and they dont fuck with steroids. I am 6'2 and 210 pounds. I guess 10 more pounds and I used steroids ?
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I'm just glad ballers don't fuck with the roids.
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I'm just glad ballers don't fuck with the roids.
I'm pretty sure they do. Like I said it's not just about brute force muscles. Steroids are also used for speed and a stamina. And really go out and take a look at 6'10+ people. Thet don't look big. Most are very lanky. If you have any bulk at that height it's rare. They are all on roids. I don't care what sport it is. Once you get in a position where people you are better than are beationg you because they aren't getting tired and running faster you start taking the shit too. Because it's not fair that those guys should have an edge.
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^^I gotta disagree with ya there homie, I dont believe steroids are a problem in the NBA.
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I'm just glad ballers don't fuck with the roids.
I'm pretty sure they do. Like I said it's not just about brute force muscles. Steroids are also used for speed and a stamina. And really go out and take a look at 6'10+ people. Thet don't look big. Most are very lanky. If you have any bulk at that height it's rare. They are all on roids. I don't care what sport it is. Once you get in a position where people you are better than are beationg you because they aren't getting tired and running faster you start taking the shit too. Because it's not fair that those guys should have an edge.
Name me one basketball player who you think has fucked with roids...
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Very hard to say as i dont remember these players in the late 80s i was to youung...
From what i keep hearing tho was thta Ken Griffey was the next one, good bat good d.
With that said this is a great thread great discussion, i might use it for another sport to compare athletes.
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^^I gotta disagree with ya there homie, I dont believe steroids are a problem in the NBA.
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If they were a problem in soccer then they are a problem in basketball. It's just not as bad as it is with Baseball in public opinion because because there is nothing to measure it in. There is no homeruns that would have been pop outs. It's not as big a deal as a power forward or centre bulking up to play the post. Or a gaurd using it to stay fast on defense and keep up stamina. Take a look at David Robinson's arms and shoulders for example and compare them to most men over 6'8 with a slim build. It's not like he's a big fat tall guy.
I'm just glad ballers don't fuck with the roids.
I'm pretty sure they do. Like I said it's not just about brute force muscles. Steroids are also used for speed and a stamina. And really go out and take a look at 6'10+ people. Thet don't look big. Most are very lanky. If you have any bulk at that height it's rare. They are all on roids. I don't care what sport it is. Once you get in a position where people you are better than are beationg you because they aren't getting tired and running faster you start taking the shit too. Because it's not fair that those guys should have an edge.
Name me one basketball player who you think has fucked with roids...
Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson. Everyone but Jordan, Bird, Shaq and Steve Nash have taken Steroids. Those are the only four to not touch it. Maybe Duncan too.
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Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson. Everyone but Jordan, Bird, Shaq and Steve Nash have taken Steroids. Those are the only four to not touch it. Maybe Duncan too.
ROFLMFAO!...Shallow for poster of the year.
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Bonds - 6'2 229lbs
A-Rod - 6'3 226lbs
LOL at the media puppets thinking A-Roid is clean
(waits for some more idiotic posts)
Don't know if A-Rod is clean or not, but you're basing it on the fact that he is taller and lighter than Bonds? Am I missing something here?
But lets remember - Griffey Jr. >>>Bonds.
The point I am making is everyone says Bonds is guilty because he is so fuckin big for a baseball player and Arod is extremely comparable in size.
No hes guilty BECUASE THERE IS PROOF
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Pitching speeds have been the same over the years.... Nolan Ryan and J.R. Richardson used to break the 100 mph mark and that was in the late 70's/early 80's. More pitchers back then used to "finish" games as oppossed to today's pitchers which are pulled after a 5 inning performance.
If pitchers are on Roids, it's not making much of a difference.
Top speeds for top pitchers are the same. Cy Young could throy a cyclone, hence the name, but to have so many pitchers on so many teams constantly breaking the 90s over and over for so many years says something. And steroids were around in the 70s and 80s. It hit the sports world in the 50s but no one wants to talk about about because then we'd have to look at heroes like Muhammad Ali, Micky Mantle, and Roger Maris's 61 in '61 now gets called into question. It would cast such a shadow over so many people's biggest heroes and would hurt the credibility of the game.
Let me give you a history lesson; the USSR used steroids to make sure their olympic team won a bag of medals in '52, '56, and '60. Around '58 the US, after a terrible loss to the USSR in '56, decided that the Soviets had an advantage that needed to become a US advantage. Right away it became part of the olympic training and quickly made it's way to the rest of sports. By '64 when the program was off it's feet the US came back like a rocket in the olympics and in '68 they ran right over the Soviets. So any american athlete that acheived anything after 1958 is a possible steroid user. And any olympian that won anything during the Cold War was definately on the juice. Whether that be Mike Tyson or George Foreman. They wouldn't even have had to know it but they were on it.
You have to look at Steroid side-effects.... Baseball players weren't growing rapdily in those eras... Not saying that nobody was doing it, but it wasn't as prevalent. The only time those players got bigger was when they got old and out of shape. :)
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Pitching speeds have been the same over the years.... Nolan Ryan and J.R. Richardson used to break the 100 mph mark and that was in the late 70's/early 80's. More pitchers back then used to "finish" games as oppossed to today's pitchers which are pulled after a 5 inning performance.
If pitchers are on Roids, it's not making much of a difference.
Top speeds for top pitchers are the same. Cy Young could throy a cyclone, hence the name, but to have so many pitchers on so many teams constantly breaking the 90s over and over for so many years says something. And steroids were around in the 70s and 80s. It hit the sports world in the 50s but no one wants to talk about about because then we'd have to look at heroes like Muhammad Ali, Micky Mantle, and Roger Maris's 61 in '61 now gets called into question. It would cast such a shadow over so many people's biggest heroes and would hurt the credibility of the game.
Let me give you a history lesson; the USSR used steroids to make sure their olympic team won a bag of medals in '52, '56, and '60. Around '58 the US, after a terrible loss to the USSR in '56, decided that the Soviets had an advantage that needed to become a US advantage. Right away it became part of the olympic training and quickly made it's way to the rest of sports. By '64 when the program was off it's feet the US came back like a rocket in the olympics and in '68 they ran right over the Soviets. So any american athlete that acheived anything after 1958 is a possible steroid user. And any olympian that won anything during the Cold War was definately on the juice. Whether that be Mike Tyson or George Foreman. They wouldn't even have had to know it but they were on it.
You have to look at Steroid side-effects.... Baseball players weren't growing rapdily in those eras... Not saying that nobody was doing it, but it wasn't as prevalent. The only time those players got bigger was when they got old and out of shape. :)
Steroids and work out techniques have advanced. Look at the average gym goer of today, even the ones with no roids. Compare their bodies to the bodies of the 60s. Look at pro wrestlers today and look at pro wrestlers in the late 70s and 80s. You had Billy Graham, Jimmy Snuka, and Warrior with greatly sculpted bulky bodies but these days you see bodies like that on every new guy that comes in. People didn't work out like they used to. And steroids weren't as big a part of the deal as it now. It was just starting out. As the bodybuilders figured out new techniques the athletes got them. Steroids wasn't definately there in the 60s and 70s bodybuilding world with Governor Arnold, he's admitted to it. Compare Arnie's body in its prime to the bodies of Ronnie Coleman or Dorian Yates. Compare the number of personal trainers for athletes in the 60s and 70s to now. Steroids were always there but how you took advantage of them evolved with time.
In Bond's case it wasn't just roids. He hit the gym a lot over the years. Something he didn't do much of when he was young, and he naturally gained weight with age. Even with out roids Bonds would have been a lot bigger now than he was in '91.
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And steroids weren't as big a part of the deal as it now. It was just starting out.
That pretty much sums up my last post...
But going back to my original one, Roids haven't been much help to pitchers these days.... since speed hasn't increased and none of them can seem to go past 6 innings these days.. :)
As for Bonds.... he has great hand/eye co-ordination and I don't believe a drug had any help in that area. That's a natural skill. Where the drugs kicked in was the ability to carry the ball further than he normally would have. There is a good chance that some of those homeruns would have been long fly outs without the aid of roids.
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Were getting away fro the topic i think wich is Griffey>>>>> Bonds
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And steroids weren't as big a part of the deal as it now. It was just starting out.
That pretty much sums up my last post...
But going back to my original one, Roids haven't been much help to pitchers these days.... since speed hasn't increased and none of them can seem to go past 6 innings these days.. :)
As for Bonds.... he has great hand/eye co-ordination and I don't believe a drug had any help in that area. That's a natural skill. Where the drugs kicked in was the ability to carry the ball further than he normally would have. There is a good chance that some of those homeruns would have been long fly outs without the aid of roids.
That doesn't change the fact that stars of the old days were still on enhancements. Yeah Bonds was on more roids under better training but Bonds hit 755 at 9,800 at bats. At 10,000 at bats Aaron had about 590 HRs.
As for pitchers going full games I think that has to do with a lot of factors that could be for that; improper steroid use tearing down muscles, new strategies keepng the pitchers fresh, better bull pens, etc. The average pitch speed is still higher across the board and these days worse athletes are getting intio baseball. Way back when the top athletes all went to the MLB. It was THE league. These days it's nothing compared to the NFL. And basketball has taken up a lot of the young black athletes.
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first off.... stars of old being on roids is a huge assumption on your part. At this point it's only something that you can speculate about. I am not saying that you are wrong, but you can't say that you are completely right either.
As far as the average speed pitch being a higher average... so far all we have is your word to go on that. If you can show me something then I will happily agree.
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first off.... stars of old being on roids is a huge assumption on your part. At this point it's only something that you can speculate about. I am not saying that you are wrong, but you can't say that you are completely right either.
As far as the average speed pitch being a higher average... so far all we have is your word to go on that. If you can show me something then I will happily agree.
I never meant to imply it as fact with regards to stars of old being roided. Though nothing will ever change my mind.
And I'll see what I can find on pitch speed. I don't however remember all that many 90+ mil an hour pitchers in the old days. I could be wrong about that though.
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Sure thing... I understand believing what you want to believe. We all have that right.
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^Yea, but his opinion holds no weight...He lost all credibility when he said:
Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson. Everyone but Jordan, Bird, Shaq and Steve Nash have taken Steroids. Those are the only four to not touch it. Maybe Duncan too.
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I agree... but people are going to believe what they want to believe no matter what.
I mean, you've got people in this world believing that a certain Korean minister is the 2nd coming of Christ and nothing is going to convince them of anything different...lol.
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^Yea, but his opinion holds no weight...He lost all credibility when he said:
Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson. Everyone but Jordan, Bird, Shaq and Steve Nash have taken Steroids. Those are the only four to not touch it. Maybe Duncan too.
Oh my God, NIK you've just officially become stupider than Bryan/Infinite.
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^Yea, but his opinion holds no weight...He lost all credibility when he said:
Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson. Everyone but Jordan, Bird, Shaq and Steve Nash have taken Steroids. Those are the only four to not touch it. Maybe Duncan too.
Oh my God, NIK you've just officially become stupider than Bryan/Infinite.
Yea, really...because we all know what you just said regarding NBA players not only makes perfect sense, but holds a ton of credibility.
LMFAO@Magic Johnson taking steroids...Shoot yourself in the eyeball, you waste of air.
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^Yea, but his opinion holds no weight...He lost all credibility when he said:
Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson. Everyone but Jordan, Bird, Shaq and Steve Nash have taken Steroids. Those are the only four to not touch it. Maybe Duncan too.
Oh my God, NIK you've just officially become stupider than Bryan/Infinite.
Yea, really...because we all know what you just said regarding NBA players not only makes perfect sense, but holds a ton of credibility.
LMFAO@Magic Johnson taking steroids...Shoot yourself in the eyeball, you waste of air.
I will the second you look up the roots of sarcasm. You fucking idiot. You can't even pick up simple things like me claiming that you're two favourite players being roid heads while the few that you constantly speak out against being the only ones that don't take roids and distinguish the difference between what is a solid statement and what is a joke. And you think you can distinguish between Jordan and Kobe as to who was better. Regardless of who is better you do not hold the mental capacity to make that distinction.
And I actually thought when you said "poster of the year" you weren't being sarcastic and were acknowledging that it was a joke. Albeit not the greatest joke but to think it was a serious opinion really says a lot about you.
My theory on steroids stems from facts. Fact; USSR used them in the 50s to win medals. Fact, the US got them running strong by the early 60s. Fact it spread to much of the sports world. I use my own logic, which may be wrong, to imply that (since different steroids account for different advantages, not just strength), it would have gained popularity and spread like wildfire at the amateur levels just to keep the playing field level. Whether it be Jordan or Bird, Magic or Isaiah. I feel that at the younger levels, college even high school athletes of the post 60s competing for spots would not let lesser players get those spots due to cheating so they cheated too, thus eliminating the idea of cheating. If Tyson was on roids and Holmes was on roids then Tyson wouldn't be a cheater.
I know I'm going out on a bit of a limb, but it's based on solid fact and logic. Not on fairy tales like Styles 1 example of the Korean God or whatever he said.
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Hey everybody has so-called facts to back up what they believe.... you have yours ...and the weird Mooney's that were used in my example have theirs too... lol.
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^Yea, but his opinion holds no weight...He lost all credibility when he said:
Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson. Everyone but Jordan, Bird, Shaq and Steve Nash have taken Steroids. Those are the only four to not touch it. Maybe Duncan too.
Oh my God, NIK you've just officially become stupider than Bryan/Infinite.
Yea, really...because we all know what you just said regarding NBA players not only makes perfect sense, but holds a ton of credibility.
LMFAO@Magic Johnson taking steroids...Shoot yourself in the eyeball, you waste of air.
I will the second you look up the roots of sarcasm. You fucking idiot. You can't even pick up simple things like me claiming that you're two favourite players being roid heads while the few that you constantly speak out against being the only ones that don't take roids and distinguish the difference between what is a solid statement and what is a joke. And you think you can distinguish between Jordan and Kobe as to who was better. Regardless of who is better you do not hold the mental capacity to make that distinction.
And I actually thought when you said "poster of the year" you weren't being sarcastic and were acknowledging that it was a joke. Albeit not the greatest joke but to think it was a serious opinion really says a lot about you.
My theory on steroids stems from facts. Fact; USSR used them in the 50s to win medals. Fact, the US got them running strong by the early 60s. Fact it spread to much of the sports world. I use my own logic, which may be wrong, to imply that (since different steroids account for different advantages, not just strength), it would have gained popularity and spread like wildfire at the amateur levels just to keep the playing field level. Whether it be Jordan or Bird, Magic or Isaiah. I feel that at the younger levels, college even high school athletes of the post 60s competing for spots would not let lesser players get those spots due to cheating so they cheated too, thus eliminating the idea of cheating. If Tyson was on roids and Holmes was on roids then Tyson wouldn't be a cheater.
I know I'm going out on a bit of a limb, but it's based on solid fact and logic. Not on fairy tales like Styles 1 example of the Korean God or whatever he said.
Yea, because sarcasm is easily detected through text, huh, shit-for-brains? Don't blame me if I thought you were stupid enough to actually believe that...I've been reading your posts for some time now, so it's not my fault...PeACe
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Hey everybody has so-called facts to back up what they believe.... you have yours ...and the weird Mooney's that were used in my example have theirs too... lol.
There is a different between frivolous claims and facts. The US olympic and USSR doctors admitted to working with steroids. Athletes have been caught witth them in their systems. No one has seen any evidence of Jesus in Korea and no one can bring that evidence to the table. So if you're trying to convince me that the two examples equate don't bother, because they don't. If you're trying to cinvince me that there is solid evidence to support the Mooney claims then show me the evidence. If you understand the difference and are only making a joke then my bad.
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^Yea, but his opinion holds no weight...He lost all credibility when he said:
Kobe Bryant and Magic Johnson. Everyone but Jordan, Bird, Shaq and Steve Nash have taken Steroids. Those are the only four to not touch it. Maybe Duncan too.
Oh my God, NIK you've just officially become stupider than Bryan/Infinite.
Yea, really...because we all know what you just said regarding NBA players not only makes perfect sense, but holds a ton of credibility.
LMFAO@Magic Johnson taking steroids...Shoot yourself in the eyeball, you waste of air.
I will the second you look up the roots of sarcasm. You fucking idiot. You can't even pick up simple things like me claiming that you're two favourite players being roid heads while the few that you constantly speak out against being the only ones that don't take roids and distinguish the difference between what is a solid statement and what is a joke. And you think you can distinguish between Jordan and Kobe as to who was better. Regardless of who is better you do not hold the mental capacity to make that distinction.
And I actually thought when you said "poster of the year" you weren't being sarcastic and were acknowledging that it was a joke. Albeit not the greatest joke but to think it was a serious opinion really says a lot about you.
My theory on steroids stems from facts. Fact; USSR used them in the 50s to win medals. Fact, the US got them running strong by the early 60s. Fact it spread to much of the sports world. I use my own logic, which may be wrong, to imply that (since different steroids account for different advantages, not just strength), it would have gained popularity and spread like wildfire at the amateur levels just to keep the playing field level. Whether it be Jordan or Bird, Magic or Isaiah. I feel that at the younger levels, college even high school athletes of the post 60s competing for spots would not let lesser players get those spots due to cheating so they cheated too, thus eliminating the idea of cheating. If Tyson was on roids and Holmes was on roids then Tyson wouldn't be a cheater.
I know I'm going out on a bit of a limb, but it's based on solid fact and logic. Not on fairy tales like Styles 1 example of the Korean God or whatever he said.
Yea, because sarcasm is easily detected through text, huh, shit-for-brains? Don't blame me if I thought you were stupid enough to actually believe that...I've been reading your posts for some time now, so it's not my fault...PeACe
The text clearly highlighted your two favourite ballers and juxtaposed them with four of your least favourite. It was easy to pick up for anyone with any logic. Post it up on a poll and ask the rest of the board that know you and your basketball preferences and see how many realize it was all said in jest. The only votes you'll get in your favour will be from people voting out of spite because no one else is that stupid to think it was serious. It's not even the kind of joke that requires sarcastic tone. In fact a sarcastic tone has no place with it. It requires dry sarcasm, so tone is meaningless. Now You Know.
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Jordan and Bird are some of my favorite players ever, dumbfuck...You're blaming me for thinking that you were stupid enough to believe that. LOL. You've made some ridiculously biased comments in the past, and your views on steroids are extreme, so I didn't put it past you. Nobody laughed at your "joke"...perhaps it's a sign of your reputation around here...PeACe
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Jordan and Bird are some of my favorite players ever, dumbfuck...You're blaming me for thinking that you were stupid enough to believe that. LOL. You've made some ridiculously biased comments in the past, and your views on steroids are extreme, so I didn't put it past you. Nobody laughed at your "joke"...perhaps it's a sign of your reputation around here...PeACe
So put up the poll and ask.
There is nothing extreme about assuming a couple thousand people in a country in 300 million are on steroids.
P.S. I already said he joke may not have been funny so no point trying to get me there. It was said the way it was not to make you laugh, but to dismiss you. Nothing I said or showed you would convince you that NBA ballers are on steroids. When you make up your mind you stick with it. The NBA has a program to test for steroids and has found people that tested positive. There are also many performance anhancement supllements that are legal and aren't tested. Steroids are illegal because of the dangers, not because it was unfair. If player A takes all the right vitamins, and supllements and hasa personal trainer instructing him along the way and he is of the same skill level as player B who relies solely on a natural diet and the game for excersize, player has an advatange and will perform better. If in 1958 if Dr David Kats and Dr Harrison Pope didn't discover the ill side effects of roids they would have been very legal.
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No basketball players use or have used steroids...Get over it. You need a lot more durability in basketball. Name me 3 players who you think have benefited in the NBA from the use of steroids with something to back it up. You can't do it...PeACe
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No basketball players use or have used steroids...Get over it. You need a lot more durability in basketball. Name me 3 players who you think have benefited in the NBA from the use of steroids with something to back it up. You can't do it...PeACe
Three players "I think" that "have benefiited"? What's the point? You'll just shoot it down. If it's not a problem and it doesn't help you in basketball ten why do they test it? Why was Juan Dixon questioned in the steroid meetings by congress. Why wouldn't they release exactly what Chris Anderson and Stanley Roberts tested positive for when they got kicked out? No one believed it was a huge problem in 80s baseball. They dismissed Canseco's claims that over 80% of the league juiced up. Now everyone just asumes they are all on it. The MLB was trying to protect it's name. The word steroid has a terrible effect on public opinion. The other leagues don't want that attention.
P.S. Durability and muscles go hand in hand. Steroids aren't just for becoming huge. Was Ben Jonson really that much thicker than Charles Oakley or most NBA players. Keep in mind how much taller a guy like David Robinson is. The stretched mucle isn't as wide. Bret Hart used steroids in wrestling. Was he really that huge when compared to huge guys? I might be wrong, but I'm not far fetched.
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Hey everybody has so-called facts to back up what they believe.... you have yours ...and the weird Mooney's that were used in my example have theirs too... lol.
There is a different between frivolous claims and facts. The US olympic and USSR doctors admitted to working with steroids. Athletes have been caught witth them in their systems. No one has seen any evidence of Jesus in Korea and no one can bring that evidence to the table. So if you're trying to convince me that the two examples equate don't bother, because they don't. If you're trying to cinvince me that there is solid evidence to support the Mooney claims then show me the evidence. If you understand the difference and are only making a joke then my bad.
It is a joke... but it's also the truth. People will believe whatever they want to believe no matter what.
However... believing that Magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant have used steroids with no proof is along the lines of the Mooney's...
But hey... believe what you wish. :)
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Hey everybody has so-called facts to back up what they believe.... you have yours ...and the weird Mooney's that were used in my example have theirs too... lol.
There is a different between frivolous claims and facts. The US olympic and USSR doctors admitted to working with steroids. Athletes have been caught witth them in their systems. No one has seen any evidence of Jesus in Korea and no one can bring that evidence to the table. So if you're trying to convince me that the two examples equate don't bother, because they don't. If you're trying to cinvince me that there is solid evidence to support the Mooney claims then show me the evidence. If you understand the difference and are only making a joke then my bad.
It is a joke... but it's also the truth. People will believe whatever they want to believe no matter what.
However... believing that Magic Johnson and Kobe Bryant have used steroids with no proof is along the lines of the Mooney's...
But hey... believe what you wish. :)
But it's not the same. One is a case of pure fantasy. The other is a case of two guys nearing 7' with arms thicker than the average 5'11'' athletic man playing in a world of sports that is cut throat and unforgiving where the threat of losing a step to a lesser player on an advantage is enough to make you want to take that advantage away. Magic would play inside from time to time he'd also have to run back and forth and gaurd in the same game. He is more talented than anyone gaurding him but the guy not as good as Magic wants the advantage. He takes a pick me up to make sure he never gets tired while sprinnting up and down the court and bumping up against Magic. Magic doesn't like how this guy is somehow stronger and faster than he's ever been and he hears why. Magic fears that losing is now a possibility and that wouldn't be fair so Magic takes the same pick me up to ensure that it is fair.
Did any of this ever happen? Maybe not, but to compare it to Jesus Christ coming back and leading Korea of all places is absurd. My theory can easily happen to any great player in the league. Hell the coaches may have the idea and give the player the juice with out telling them, but the The Word and Light of God returning to Earth in order to lead Korea doesn't hold the same logic.
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Sure it does.... it's a case of mixing facts with and unfounded beliefs. Can yours be more realistic? Certainly.... But is it an unfounded belief based on an asumption? Yes... therefore I will put your belief one tier ahead of the Mooney's... only slightly though... :)
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Sure it does.... it's a case of mixing facts with and unfounded beliefs. Can yours be more realistic? Certainly.... But is it an unfounded belief based on an asumption? Yes... therefore I will put your belief one tier ahead of the Mooney's... only slightly though... :)
The fact that the NBA tests for drugs makes it very founded, particularly in the 80s when they weren't testing like they do now. For them to bring in the policy and program they brought in means something was going on in house and they didn't want it getting out. When Korea as a nation starts yearly testing to see if the new Christ has been born then they'll be in the same stratoshpere. Until then, mine is assumption based on very solid evidence. If no one in the NBA took roids then the NBA would just say it's not a problem here, never was and we don't need to test. The PGA seems to give off that message. But they test and they test often in the NBA. Thinking it wasn't part of the game at least at one time is a bit naive, just based on how they handle it.
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We are talking of you linking Magic and Kobe to roids.... show me your proof and I will not call your belief unfounded. :)
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We are talking of you linking Magic and Kobe to roids.... show me your proof and I will not call your belief unfounded. :)
Kobe and Magic we're only mentioned to piss off NIK as a joke. I'm talking about linking all NBA players with large muscular frames on 6'10'' bodies to steroids, and I'm using the fact that the NBA tests everyone a few times a year as evidence that it at least was a problem in the past. I can't give you proof of it. I can't give you proof that the reason we don't fall off the earth is because a magnetic pulling force called gravity is the reason. I don't know for sure that it's not a outer pushing force from space keeping us grounded in some complicated way. But the evidence leads me to believe it's gravity. I can't give you proof.
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Ok.. I only jumped in on your argument "because" of the Kobe/Magic statement. Since it's just an admitted joke, then I shall move on.
And also the pitchers discussion... but that's already been discussed.
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Ok.. I only jumped in on your argument "because" of the Kobe/Magic statement. Since it's just an admitted joke, then I shall move on.
And also the pitchers discussion... but that's already been discussed.
Still working on that pitching stat number. And dont tell me that line I gave NIK about Magic and Kobe being the ones on it while Nash and Shaq would never touch it was seen as being serious by you?
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Who knew really? I've encountered many types of people over the Net.... with many strange ways of thinking.
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Who knew really? I've encountered many types of people over the Net.... with many strange ways of thinking.
And you did know of NIK's constant over praise of Kobe and Magic and how he'd take such offense at the usual names such as Shaq, Duncan, Nash Jordan, Bird being brought up by others as being better than his faves?
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I don't know folks here.... except for Baby G aka Gangstaboogy... Most of my posting goes on in the Hip Hop sections. I just pretty much started up in these sections.
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No basketball players use or have used steroids...Get over it. You need a lot more durability in basketball. Name me 3 players who you think have benefited in the NBA from the use of steroids with something to back it up. You can't do it...PeACe
Three players "I think" that "have benefiited"? What's the point? You'll just shoot it down. If it's not a problem and it doesn't help you in basketball ten why do they test it? Why was Juan Dixon questioned in the steroid meetings by congress. Why wouldn't they release exactly what Chris Anderson and Stanley Roberts tested positive for when they got kicked out? No one believed it was a huge problem in 80s baseball. They dismissed Canseco's claims that over 80% of the league juiced up. Now everyone just asumes they are all on it. The MLB was trying to protect it's name. The word steroid has a terrible effect on public opinion. The other leagues don't want that attention.
P.S. Durability and muscles go hand in hand. Steroids aren't just for becoming huge. Was Ben Jonson really that much thicker than Charles Oakley or most NBA players. Keep in mind how much taller a guy like David Robinson is. The stretched mucle isn't as wide. Bret Hart used steroids in wrestling. Was he really that huge when compared to huge guys? I might be wrong, but I'm not far fetched.
Juan Dixon? You've got to be fuckin kidding me...dude is 6'3" and 165 lbs and has no power at all. Come on, now. Chris Andersen was a known stoner. Charles Oakley was always a big dude with a wide bone structure...You really have nothing. I don't know if it's really as bad in baseball as you make it seem, so I can't comment on that. But I know for sure that steroids are not used in basketball, and if it has, it's extremely uncommon and no one knows about it...especially not you...PeACe
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Sure it does.... it's a case of mixing facts with and unfounded beliefs. Can yours be more realistic? Certainly.... But is it an unfounded belief based on an asumption? Yes... therefore I will put your belief one tier ahead of the Mooney's... only slightly though... :)
The fact that the NBA tests for drugs makes it very founded, particularly in the 80s when they weren't testing like they do now. For them to bring in the policy and program they brought in means something was going on in house and they didn't want it getting out. When Korea as a nation starts yearly testing to see if the new Christ has been born then they'll be in the same stratoshpere. Until then, mine is assumption based on very solid evidence. If no one in the NBA took roids then the NBA would just say it's not a problem here, never was and we don't need to test. The PGA seems to give off that message. But they test and they test often in the NBA. Thinking it wasn't part of the game at least at one time is a bit naive, just based on how they handle it.
The NBA doesn't have regular testing for steroids... It is a common thought among NBA heads that steroids would hamper a ballers overall performance. That's why no ones ever been caught in the sport of basketball, college or professional.
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Who knew really? I've encountered many types of people over the Net.... with many strange ways of thinking.
And you did know of NIK's constant over praise of Kobe and Magic and how he'd take such offense at the usual names such as Shaq, Duncan, Nash Jordan, Bird being brought up by others as being better than his faves?
over praise doesn't go in the same sentence with Magic and Kobe...PeACe
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Sure it does.... it's a case of mixing facts with and unfounded beliefs. Can yours be more realistic? Certainly.... But is it an unfounded belief based on an asumption? Yes... therefore I will put your belief one tier ahead of the Mooney's... only slightly though... :)
The fact that the NBA tests for drugs makes it very founded, particularly in the 80s when they weren't testing like they do now. For them to bring in the policy and program they brought in means something was going on in house and they didn't want it getting out. When Korea as a nation starts yearly testing to see if the new Christ has been born then they'll be in the same stratoshpere. Until then, mine is assumption based on very solid evidence. If no one in the NBA took roids then the NBA would just say it's not a problem here, never was and we don't need to test. The PGA seems to give off that message. But they test and they test often in the NBA. Thinking it wasn't part of the game at least at one time is a bit naive, just based on how they handle it.
The NBA doesn't test for steroids...You lost. It is a common thought among NBA heads that steroids would hamper a ballers overall performance. That's why no ones ever been caught in the sport of basketball, college or professional.
So they don't test for it and no one has been caught with it. How would they get caught if they aren't tested? Do you see how the concept of logic escapes you? They do test for it. They have since the late 90s. It's common knowledge to anyone that reads the sports pages.
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Sure it does.... it's a case of mixing facts with and unfounded beliefs. Can yours be more realistic? Certainly.... But is it an unfounded belief based on an asumption? Yes... therefore I will put your belief one tier ahead of the Mooney's... only slightly though... :)
The fact that the NBA tests for drugs makes it very founded, particularly in the 80s when they weren't testing like they do now. For them to bring in the policy and program they brought in means something was going on in house and they didn't want it getting out. When Korea as a nation starts yearly testing to see if the new Christ has been born then they'll be in the same stratoshpere. Until then, mine is assumption based on very solid evidence. If no one in the NBA took roids then the NBA would just say it's not a problem here, never was and we don't need to test. The PGA seems to give off that message. But they test and they test often in the NBA. Thinking it wasn't part of the game at least at one time is a bit naive, just based on how they handle it.
The NBA doesn't test for steroids...You lost. It is a common thought among NBA heads that steroids would hamper a ballers overall performance. That's why no ones ever been caught in the sport of basketball, college or professional.
So they don't test for it and no one has been caught with it. How would they get caught if they aren't tested? Do you see how the concept of logic escapes you? They do test for it. They have since the late 90s. It's common knowledge to anyone that reads the sports pages.
Actually, they do test for everything in the NBA, but they don't have regular testing for steroids. If they think someone is taking steroids, they'll test him, which never happens to begin with...in fact, people make jokes about steroids in the NBA, since no one is dumb enough to think steroids will enhance performance in basketball to begin with:
http://realgm.com/src_feature/1013/20071003/buster_looks_into_livingstons_potential_performance_enhancers/
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Sure it does.... it's a case of mixing facts with and unfounded beliefs. Can yours be more realistic? Certainly.... But is it an unfounded belief based on an asumption? Yes... therefore I will put your belief one tier ahead of the Mooney's... only slightly though... :)
The fact that the NBA tests for drugs makes it very founded, particularly in the 80s when they weren't testing like they do now. For them to bring in the policy and program they brought in means something was going on in house and they didn't want it getting out. When Korea as a nation starts yearly testing to see if the new Christ has been born then they'll be in the same stratoshpere. Until then, mine is assumption based on very solid evidence. If no one in the NBA took roids then the NBA would just say it's not a problem here, never was and we don't need to test. The PGA seems to give off that message. But they test and they test often in the NBA. Thinking it wasn't part of the game at least at one time is a bit naive, just based on how they handle it.
The NBA doesn't test for steroids...You lost. It is a common thought among NBA heads that steroids would hamper a ballers overall performance. That's why no ones ever been caught in the sport of basketball, college or professional.
So they don't test for it and no one has been caught with it. How would they get caught if they aren't tested? Do you see how the concept of logic escapes you? They do test for it. They have since the late 90s. It's common knowledge to anyone that reads the sports pages.
Actually, they do test for everything in the NBA, but they don't have regular testing for steroids. If they think someone is taking steroids, they'll test him, which never happens to begin with...in fact, people make jokes about steroids in the NBA, since no one is dumb enough to think steroids will enhance performance in basketball to begin with:
http://realgm.com/src_feature/1013/20071003/buster_looks_into_livingstons_potential_performance_enhancers/
What are you trying to show with that article? That only one guy in the NBA history may have taken steroids?
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That article was satirical fiction...LMAO@claiming other people don't get things. The irony here is priceless.
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That article was satirical fiction...LMAO@claiming other people don't get things. The irony here is priceless.
I didn't read it. Just the first lines. I did read and interview with Jalen Rose being asked if steroids were a prolem in basketball and he responded and I quote 'I think enhancements are an issue anywhere that is competitive," "Any time you're trying to compete against the next person for a job, for a position, for a contract, for a victory, people are willing to do whatever it takes to get an edge." He must know something you don't, because he didn't outright dismiss it.
http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Basketball/NBA/Toronto/2005/03/19/966351-sun.html
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He's saying that it could be a problem anywhere, not that he's actually experienced it...that's a very bland statement, it proves nothing. There's way more evidence that says steroids are nowhere near the sport of basketball...PeACe
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you know who took steroids in the NBA
i know a guy
THIS guy:
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you know who took steroids in the NBA
i know a guy
THIS guy:
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He's saying that it could be a problem anywhere, not that he's actually experienced it...that's a very bland statement, it proves nothing. There's way more evidence that says steroids are nowhere near the sport of basketball...PeACe
Of course there is no evidence, just like there was no evidence it was in baseball in the 80s. When the olympic 100m scandal was going down you didn't everyone pointing fingers at the MLB saying it could be happening there too. They weren't testing for roids but you better believe people were on them. From reading about all the pro wrestlers that took them I realized that it's not just the big huge guys that are on them. Steroids do a lot more than increase muscle mass. It starts in the highschool level. I remember the top level track and field kids back in the 90s when I was in highschool and top level distance runners popping baking soda pills to keep their stamina and pace during the long run. Some girl from another school did it to win in '95 and in the finals of the '96 ever distance runner in my school was taking them just before the run. Once you see someone not as good as you at anything beat you because they had an advantage you level the playng field. It's only fair.