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Title: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on February 13, 2011, 03:09:43 PM
like NIK used to tell us a few years back?
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on February 13, 2011, 03:37:50 PM
Clearly. He a modern day Wilt.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on February 13, 2011, 04:59:08 PM
Clearly. He a modern day Wilt.
it was the year the Lakers lucked the fuck out x10000 and faced the Magic (instead of the Celtics since KG got injured) and NIK was proclaiming Bynum is the best center since Wilt/Russell were battling for that title

i remember Bynum scored 40+ points against a crap team like the Clippers (i think) and NIk called him the best center ever basically
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: theremedy360 on February 13, 2011, 07:56:18 PM
LOL you guys talk about Nik way too much, I don't agree with a lot of the stuff that the guy says but all I remember him saying was that Bynum could be better than the two at some point because his post game is much more complete.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on February 13, 2011, 08:14:07 PM
like NIK used to tell us a few years back?
I'm starting to see what NIK means when he says people on dubcc are obsessed with him. :P
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on February 13, 2011, 08:42:01 PM
like NIK used to tell us a few years back?
I'm starting to see what NIK means when he says people on dubcc are obsessed with him. :P

is 2009 really THAT LONG AGO?
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: LooN3y on February 23, 2011, 03:06:04 PM
u cant put amare in a discussion with them, hes a face up PF. if ur talking bout overall talent and worth, of course amare hes a more complete player.


bynum has better offense than dwight but doesnt match the athleticism. overall i mean it has to be dwight, but than there is the case of being the 1st option and playing time, how would bynum do in that scenario. lets not count bynums knee problems, just overall talent and skills of the player.

i mean statistically its a no brainer, but i wouldnt want dwight over bynum on the lakers, dude just cant score on his own and im sure he wont be happy being the 3rd or 4th option
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on February 23, 2011, 03:29:26 PM
^What? You mean to tell me that the Magic didn't make the Finals ALL BECAUSE of Dwight?

If you took Kobe off the Lakers, Bynum wasn't leading them to a Final. Even if you took Pau off the team, Bynum wouldn't even be able to SUPPORT Kobe enough to make it to a Final.

Dwight is head over heels better then Bynum & when Dwight is a free agent & gets out of what will be a ridiculously competitive East & goes to LA, I'm sure you're going to love him & call him one of the greatest centers ever lol.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: LooN3y on February 23, 2011, 04:00:38 PM
^What? You mean to tell me that the Magic didn't make the Finals ALL BECAUSE of Dwight?

If you took Kobe off the Lakers, Bynum wasn't leading them to a Final. Even if you took Pau off the team, Bynum wouldn't even be able to SUPPORT Kobe enough to make it to a Final.

Dwight is head over heels better then Bynum & when Dwight is a free agent & gets out of what will be a ridiculously competitive East & goes to LA, I'm sure you're going to love him & call him one of the greatest centers ever lol.


shaq is the greatest center to me imo, and that will never change. lol dwights effect on the team isnt comparable to kobe. dwight has a more limited role than kobe. yea hes the first option on the magic, lol but hats why they take so many 3's dude doenst have good offensive game, and dont tell me this guy takes over in crunch time down the wire, thats the shooters (everyone else on the teams) time to play.


if dwight comes to LA ill only be happy because hes more durable and has monster defense and athleticism, but that guy is gonna be garbage down low, unless blake or kobe baby feed him the ball.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on February 23, 2011, 04:42:18 PM
LOL, he's hands down the best big man in basketball.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: LooN3y on February 23, 2011, 05:15:28 PM
LOL, he's hands down the best big man in basketball.


big man? i mean gasol is soft, but hes a much more complete big man than dwight. if yao was 100% healthy and durable id pick him, i mean im assuming u ment as of RIGHT now, cuz we still have KG, josh smith, horford, boozer,  i mean what do you mean big man? r u talking bout only centers?


dwight only knows how to play one side of the game, this dude gets his 20 from easy baskets or baby assists. i cant tell how many times this guy seems like he doesnt know what to do in the basketball on the offensive end, whenvers hes trying to create his own, dude either bricks it, turns it over, or eveuntually has to pass it out.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on February 23, 2011, 05:21:32 PM
If Gasol scores 20 with "impressive footwork" & "technical skill" & Dwight scores 20 off of raw athleticism, what's the difference? 20 points = 20 points.

LOL, Yao? KG? HORFORD?! JOSH SMITH!?

Best big man = centers & pfs.

Dwight is an outstanding rebounder & a spectacular defender; far superior then Pau (his only competition) in those categories.

He won't have a better career then KG & Duncan, but he is clearly better in 2011.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: LooN3y on February 23, 2011, 05:30:49 PM
If Gasol scores 20 with "impressive footwork" & "technical skill" & Dwight scores 20 off of raw athleticism, what's the difference? 20 points = 20 points.

LOL, Yao? KG? HORFORD?! JOSH SMITH!?

Best big man = centers & pfs.

Dwight is an outstanding rebounder & a spectacular defender; far superior then Pau (his only competition) in those categories.

He won't have a better career then KG & Duncan, but he is clearly better in 2011.


i mentioned them if u werent talking bout as of right now, but just players that are still active.  he got better no doubt, ive seen him add 1 or 2 post moves (lol) once dwight ages, hes gonna be useless unless he does put in work on his "footwork" and "techinincal skill"

thats why he doesnt impress me, his offense is elementary i dont want to give credit where it isnt due.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on February 23, 2011, 05:53:32 PM
LOL, he's hands down the best big man in basketball.




this dude gets his 20 from easy baskets or baby assists.

Sounds like the criticism of another popular BIG man to play in Orlando at the beginning of his career.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on February 23, 2011, 08:23:39 PM
LOL, he's hands down the best big man in basketball.
Remember your words when he's playing for the Lakers next season. 8)
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on February 23, 2011, 08:25:28 PM
like NIK used to tell us a few years back?
I'm starting to see what NIK means when he says people on dubcc are obsessed with him. :P

is 2009 really THAT LONG AGO?
I just don't understand how people complain about the stupid shit NIK says, then keep bringing it up all the time. It's not like many people take his opinions seriously here. If it's so ridiculous, leave it alone.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on February 23, 2011, 08:27:16 PM
like NIK used to tell us a few years back?
I'm starting to see what NIK means when he says people on dubcc are obsessed with him. :P

is 2009 really THAT LONG AGO?
I just don't understand how people complain about the stupid shit NIK says, then keep bringing it up all the time. It's not like many people take his opinions seriously here. If it's so ridiculous, leave it alone.


NIK still posts here so I was half hoping he'd reply giving us some comedy gold
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on February 23, 2011, 08:51:06 PM
LOL, he's hands down the best big man in basketball.
Remember your words when he's playing for the Lakers next season. 8)

I have him going there. The East is getting too rough.

Don't worry though, he'll be the best big man in the league for at least the next seven years. Unless some freak comes into the league soon.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: REPDATWESTCOAST on February 26, 2011, 12:35:06 PM
Nah howard better than both of them overall
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: teecee on February 27, 2011, 09:45:20 AM
Sports is all about what you do, not what you COULD do.


Fuck potential (NIK was always saying Bynum had the POTENTIAL to be better).


Howard is a beast, he's quick and strong, a great defensive player, and Bynum has the POTENTIAL to be anywhere near the player he is.  Bynum gets him on height and footwork.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on February 27, 2011, 10:11:00 AM
like NIK used to tell us a few years back?
I'm starting to see what NIK means when he says people on dubcc are obsessed with him. :P

is 2009 really THAT LONG AGO?
I just don't understand how people complain about the stupid shit NIK says, then keep bringing it up all the time. It's not like many people take his opinions seriously here. If it's so ridiculous, leave it alone.

Sometimes something is just so stupid that the stupidity of the comment lasts forever. People still make fun of Ms teen South Carolina, George Bush, Sarah Palin...etc. Not because they are obsessed with them, but because even years after the fact...its still amazing how stupid they are.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on February 27, 2011, 05:37:35 PM
like NIK used to tell us a few years back?
I'm starting to see what NIK means when he says people on dubcc are obsessed with him. :P

is 2009 really THAT LONG AGO?
I just don't understand how people complain about the stupid shit NIK says, then keep bringing it up all the time. It's not like many people take his opinions seriously here. If it's so ridiculous, leave it alone.

Sometimes something is just so stupid that the stupidity of the comment lasts forever. People still make fun of Ms teen South Carolina, George Bush, Sarah Palin...etc. Not because they are obsessed with them, but because even years after the fact...its still amazing how stupid they are.
Fair enough, but whose still talking about Bush or Miss Teen South Carolina? People still talk about Palin because she is still around. Some delusional fucks think she'll even be the next President.
Anyways, Hack gave is reason which is somewhat amusing.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on February 27, 2011, 07:42:59 PM
that Ms. South Carolina had the worst answer EVER



until NIK came along
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on February 28, 2011, 10:58:47 AM
like NIK used to tell us a few years back?
I'm starting to see what NIK means when he says people on dubcc are obsessed with him. :P

is 2009 really THAT LONG AGO?
I just don't understand how people complain about the stupid shit NIK says, then keep bringing it up all the time. It's not like many people take his opinions seriously here. If it's so ridiculous, leave it alone.

Sometimes something is just so stupid that the stupidity of the comment lasts forever. People still make fun of Ms teen South Carolina, George Bush, Sarah Palin...etc. Not because they are obsessed with them, but because even years after the fact...its still amazing how stupid they are.
Fair enough, but whose still talking about Bush or Miss Teen South Carolina? People still talk about Palin because she is still around. Some delusional fucks think she'll even be the next President.
Anyways, Hack gave is reason which is somewhat amusing.

I still hear people talk about Bush all the time, even on tv. His kind of stupidity will last for the rest of our lives...and probably still be funny when Im 80, if Im still around. Ms Teen South Carolina you dont hear as much though. Occasionally somebody still makes a comment. Jim Rome still will sometimes, but he likes to beat things into the ground sometimes.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: LooN3y on February 28, 2011, 10:32:03 PM
LOL, he's hands down the best big man in basketball.




this dude gets his 20 from easy baskets or baby assists.

Sounds like the criticism of another popular BIG man to play in Orlando at the beginning of his career.


cmon man, shaq was a MUCH better offensive player than dwight. but i really dont think the two are comparable, shaq was juz a fucking beast



15 blocks , 24 points , 28 rebounds his sophomore year. thats no ordinary super star, thats on some GOAT shit, not to mention his career highs in points




edit: i mean hes no hakeem but i dont know if theres ever gonna be a bigman like hakeem again.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: LooN3y on February 28, 2011, 10:43:32 PM
but on topic with stupid statements,


i still cant believe AG honestly believes the 09 lakers vs houton series was better than the  09 celtics vs chicago series. that just astounded me i know we had beef but goddamn. ur talking bout a boring series that shouldnt even gone to game 7 compared to a high scoring series with i don tknow how many lead changes with the top 3 point shooters in the league shooting it to 3 OTs.

i mean i love the lakers but that whole series had me off my feet, and scoring wise wasnt as close.


and that steve nash sucked in 09 or was it 08 but right after we lead the league in assists. but thats understandable, considering he might be done cuz hes old, but i never believed it because his numbers never went down and jason kidds still doing his thing, how old is kidd now? 38? 40? i cant believe hill and thomas are still playing.

theres no explanation needed for shaq, even when hes old and withering hes still a top 10 center in the league (real centers not no fowardcenters or PF that play the 5, IE kevin love)



Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on March 01, 2011, 09:34:29 AM
Shaq as a rookie scored 23 a game


Dwight has NEVER matched that
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 01, 2011, 10:20:54 AM
LOL, he's hands down the best big man in basketball.




this dude gets his 20 from easy baskets or baby assists.

Sounds like the criticism of another popular BIG man to play in Orlando at the beginning of his career.


cmon man, shaq was a MUCH better offensive player than dwight. but i really dont think the two are comparable, shaq was juz a fucking beast



15 blocks , 24 points , 28 rebounds his sophomore year. thats no ordinary super star, thats on some GOAT shit, not to mention his career highs in points




edit: i mean hes no hakeem but i dont know if theres ever gonna be a bigman like hakeem again.

Im just saying, that was the criticism of Shaq for most of his career. Shaq was known for only one move....turn around, bull someone over and dunk the ball. He eventually developed that little flat half hook thing he does (which he travels on everytime lol). As far as an overall skill set, Howard actually has a higher upside than Shaq ever did (because of his athletisism). Im not saying Howard will go down as the better center all time, he has a long way to go with his career before that could ever happen. But skillwise, he has a higher upside.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on March 03, 2011, 03:49:19 PM
LOL you guys talk about Nik way too much, I don't agree with a lot of the stuff that the guy says but all I remember him saying was that Bynum could be better than the two at some point because his post game is much more complete.


on the money...i only spoke of bynum's potential, never said anything remotely close to what this nutrider is going on about.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on March 03, 2011, 04:00:18 PM
like NIK used to tell us a few years back?
I'm starting to see what NIK means when he says people on dubcc are obsessed with him. :P

is 2009 really THAT LONG AGO?
I just don't understand how people complain about the stupid shit NIK says, then keep bringing it up all the time. It's not like many people take his opinions seriously here. If it's so ridiculous, leave it alone.


you used to be a good poster up in the sports section, man, what happened? though my insight favored the lakers, as i am a laker fan, i never made ridiculous comments like some of these posters are making it seem...my opinion by many laker fans have been regarded highly and i've had some nice in depth discussions on this site back n the days (dunno if u remember or not). if people don't take my opinion seriously, they are idiots...i remember back when i said lamar odom was a better player than ron artest and andrei kirilenko and many people on this site laughed it off, proving their lack of understanding of the game of basketball, just like hack is doing right here...you really think bynum couldn't average 20 points and 12 rebounds as the focal point of a team like orlando? really, though? of course, dwight has been able to stay healthy and develop as a franchise player...but it is not a stretch to say bynum is more skilled than dwight....he scored 15 points on average on a stacked lakers team last season, imagine what a healthy bynum could do as a focal point of an offense. idiots judge basketball by stats...purists judge by watching the games. i still think dwight is obviously better as of now, but that's not to take away from bynum's potential...what i said years ago still stands. bynum has the POTENTIAL to be a superstar center and a top big in this league...PeACe


dont fall for the trap
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on March 03, 2011, 08:58:31 PM
potential is your favorite word but it means NOTHING


dwight howard is the best center NOW and will be in 5 years - and has been for the past 5 years
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on March 03, 2011, 09:00:44 PM
potential is your favorite word but it means NOTHING


dwight howard is the best center NOW and will be in 5 years - and has been for the past 5 years

Unless I'm forgetting someone, Dwight Howard is the undisputed best center in the league. There isn't anyone relatively close. Not counting PF's, of course.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on March 03, 2011, 09:26:32 PM
potential is your favorite word but it means NOTHING


dwight howard is the best center NOW and will be in 5 years - and has been for the past 5 years

Unless I'm forgetting someone, Dwight Howard is the undisputed best center in the league. There isn't anyone relatively close. Not counting PF's, of course.
the other best center is playing computer ping pong and eating fried chicken in China somehwere
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on March 03, 2011, 09:30:32 PM
potential is your favorite word but it means NOTHING


dwight howard is the best center NOW and will be in 5 years - and has been for the past 5 years

Unless I'm forgetting someone, Dwight Howard is the undisputed best center in the league. There isn't anyone relatively close. Not counting PF's, of course.
the other best center is playing computer ping pong and eating fried chicken in China somehwere

Then the third is like Kendrick Perkins. Everyone else is a PF.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: OG Hack Wilson on March 03, 2011, 09:39:27 PM
potential is your favorite word but it means NOTHING


dwight howard is the best center NOW and will be in 5 years - and has been for the past 5 years

Unless I'm forgetting someone, Dwight Howard is the undisputed best center in the league. There isn't anyone relatively close. Not counting PF's, of course.
the other best center is playing computer ping pong and eating fried chicken in China somehwere

Then the third is like Kendrick Perkins. Everyone else is a PF.


Amare = pf
Duncan= pf
Dirk = PF
Garnett = PF
Bosh = clearly a pf
boozer  = pf
gasol = soft as fuck at center....very good at Pf
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on March 03, 2011, 11:25:29 PM
Then the third is like Kendrick Perkins. Everyone else is a PF.



LMAO
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: 7even on March 04, 2011, 02:35:41 AM
howard is clearly the best true center, but that is only because of the lack of competition. he's not THAT good. shaq was much better as a sophomore than howard will ever be in his life.
the NBA is now stacked with great PGs, and almost empty when it comes to great true centers. so empty that one is tempted to count a lot of physical PFs as centers just for the sake of having a discussion. if you count Love as a center, which you shouldn't, but still, he could become better than howard rather soon.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on March 04, 2011, 09:47:19 AM
you used to be a good poster up in the sports section, man, what happened?
All these bandwagon Heat fans are fucking with my mind. Lol.

though my insight favored the lakers, as i am a laker fan, i never made ridiculous comments like some of these posters are making it seem...
Hack should of provided some quotes to prove his point. All I remember you saying was that you'd take Bynum over Dwight a couple years ago.

my opinion by many laker fans have been regarded highly and i've had some nice in depth discussions on this site back n the days (dunno if u remember or not). if people don't take my opinion seriously, they are idiots...i remember back when i said lamar odom was a better player than ron artest and andrei kirilenko and many people on this site laughed it off, proving their lack of understanding of the game of basketball, just like hack is doing right here...
Your basketball knowledge is one of the best on this forum, but you need to get rid of the extreme bias.
Not a lot of people take Hack's opinions very seriously.

you really think bynum couldn't average 20 points and 12 rebounds as the focal point of a team like orlando? really, though? of course, dwight has been able to stay healthy and develop as a franchise player...but it is not a stretch to say bynum is more skilled than dwight....he scored 15 points on average on a stacked lakers team last season, imagine what a healthy bynum could do as a focal point of an offense. idiots judge basketball by stats...purists judge by watching the games. i still think dwight is obviously better as of now, but that's not to take away from bynum's potential...what i said years ago still stands. bynum has the POTENTIAL to be a superstar center and a top big in this league...PeACe
Bynum could averqage 20 and 12, but he can't stay healthy. And if Dwight was on the Lakers he'd average more than 11.4 and 7.7 because he'd demand the ball inside. Bynum needs a lot more aggression. As far as skills go, in his prime Shaq was one of the least skilled centers in the game, but no one doubted he was the best. It takes more than skill to be good. Dwight has speed and athleticism, Bynum needs to work on his maturity.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on March 04, 2011, 10:20:16 AM
I forgot about Brook Lopez. He's a center. :-X

But I mean, he's not even in the same universe as Dwight Howard.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: 7even on March 04, 2011, 11:13:47 AM
I forgot about Brook Lopez. He's a center. :-X

But I mean, he's not even in the same universe as Dwight Howard.

Tyson Chandler for example is better bitchass
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on March 04, 2011, 10:06:20 PM
LOL...the idiot said Kendrick Perkins is the 2nd best active center behind Dwight. holy shit, u are dumb, guy...even Emeka fuckin Okafor is better than Perkins. Perkins is decent, at best lmao.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on March 04, 2011, 10:33:45 PM
LOL...the idiot said Kendrick Perkins is the 2nd best active center behind Dwight. holy shit, u are dumb, guy...even Emeka fuckin Okafor is better than Perkins. Perkins is decent, at best lmao.

Perkins is just decent. That's what I'm saying.

Dwight is head & shoulders better then the rest of the centers in the NBA.

Get the point & understand what I'm getting at; don't get technical because you're tight as fuck that it's true.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on March 04, 2011, 10:49:53 PM
LOL...the idiot said Kendrick Perkins is the 2nd best active center behind Dwight. holy shit, u are dumb, guy...even Emeka fuckin Okafor is better than Perkins. Perkins is decent, at best lmao.

Perkins is just decent. That's what I'm saying.

Dwight is head & shoulders better then the rest of the centers in the NBA.

Get the point & understand what I'm getting at; don't get technical because you're tight as fuck that it's true.

 
u do realize that there still are a handful of nba centers a level above perkins, right?....that statement is equivelent 2 saying that sasha vujacic is the best shooting guard off the bench.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: 7even on March 05, 2011, 02:51:51 AM
Yo Chamili, that article can become your very own bible: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6150136
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on March 05, 2011, 08:55:50 AM
LOL...the idiot said Kendrick Perkins is the 2nd best active center behind Dwight. holy shit, u are dumb, guy...even Emeka fuckin Okafor is better than Perkins. Perkins is decent, at best lmao.

Perkins is just decent. That's what I'm saying.

Dwight is head & shoulders better then the rest of the centers in the NBA.

Get the point & understand what I'm getting at; don't get technical because you're tight as fuck that it's true.

 
u do realize that there still are a handful of nba centers a level above perkins, right?....that statement is equivelent 2 saying that sasha vujacic is the best shooting guard off the bench.

LOL, I get it man. Get off of it.

The only statement you need to read & soak in is that Dwight Howard is head & shoulders better then the rest of the centers in the NBA.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on March 05, 2011, 08:56:35 AM
Yo Chamili, that article can become your very own bible: http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=6150136

LOL. Good find. It's true. NBA is done for the average fan.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on March 05, 2011, 10:52:25 AM
LOL...the idiot said Kendrick Perkins is the 2nd best active center behind Dwight. holy shit, u are dumb, guy...even Emeka fuckin Okafor is better than Perkins. Perkins is decent, at best lmao.

Perkins is just decent. That's what I'm saying.

Dwight is head & shoulders better then the rest of the centers in the NBA.

Get the point & understand what I'm getting at; don't get technical because you're tight as fuck that it's true.

 
u do realize that there still are a handful of nba centers a level above perkins, right?....that statement is equivelent 2 saying that sasha vujacic is the best shooting guard off the bench.

LOL, I get it man. Get off of it.

The only statement you need to read & soak in is that Dwight Howard is head & shoulders better then the rest of the centers in the NBA.

What ever happened to the Center position in the NBA?? Ugh. It used to be SO good. Back when there was Hakeem, Robinson, Ewing, Shaq, etc. And way back when we had Russell, Wilt, Kareem, etc. Now...its just Howard, and a bunch of other guys. Rony Seikaly would be ALL NBA Second team every year right now lol
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on March 06, 2011, 10:32:06 AM
^It's because these big men are just getting more athletic & can shoot, like Amare & KG. They're secretly dominating the league.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on March 06, 2011, 03:28:58 PM
Gasol, Duncan, Horford, Amare, Bargnani etc. are the new wave of centers...basically, athleticism and shooting ability has taken over. the only true back-to-the basket centers that are currently thriving are Bynum and Dwight...the rest are combo centers, but more teams prefer combo centers than traditional centers for some strange reason.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 03, 2012, 12:27:52 PM
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Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: 7even on January 03, 2012, 12:56:31 PM
So Bynum played how many games so far?

Howard plays like someone who wants to be traded FAST.... he's having the worst season he's had in years..

And even IF Bynum actually becomes better on a continued basis (highly unlikely, you can't ignore that Howard is NEVER injured, Bynum all the time) your claim that Bynum was on his level in 2008 will forever remain ridic. If the Lakers had straight up traded Bynum for Howard back then, you would have been happy as shit, don't lie.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 03, 2012, 01:16:32 PM
^i'm not saying Bynum has surpassed Dwight or anything like that....but for those narrow minded basketball fans who couldn't see what i was saying, Bynum is head-and-shoulders above Amare and could very easily be better than Dwight. uneducated fans on this site continually mocked me for mentioning them in the same sentence, but thats soley because they didnt have the vision to see the tools Bynum was working with vs. the tools Dwight was working with. in 2008, Bynum averaged 15-8-2 in 28 minutes...ON A STACKED LAKER TEAM. On a team like Orlando, it woulda been 25-12. As soon as I realized that Bynum could be great, I felt he was untouchable in ANY trade scenerio. Including Dwight......u cant deny my vision, homie.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 03, 2012, 05:26:57 PM
We saw what you were saying. You said you'd rather have Bynum than Dwight. No way around it. You're an idiot lmao.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 04, 2012, 01:18:40 AM
LOL...Bynum - 21 points, 22 rebounds, 3 blocks....suck a dick, dumbfucks.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: wcsoldier on January 04, 2012, 01:32:47 AM
Dwight has health and athleticism over Drew .. Drew has a better touch , post moves and plays with fire , wants to be great while Dwight is somehow unfocused during games , I don't see that " I want to win badly " in him .

Yes , Bynum health is a pb ... but remember his two massive injuries are the result of teammates landing/running into his knees/feet.

I'd t take Dwight over Drew until the later can prove he can stay healthy a whole season ... if he does and he's a 20-12/13 guy , keep him
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 04, 2012, 01:51:13 AM
Dwight has health and athleticism over Drew .. Drew has a better touch , post moves and plays with fire , wants to be great while Dwight is somehow unfocused during games , I don't see that " I want to win badly " in him .

Yes , Bynum health is a pb ... but remember his two massive injuries are the result of teammates landing/running into his knees/feet.

I'd t take Dwight over Drew until the later can prove he can stay healthy a whole season ... if he does and he's a 20-12/13 guy , keep him


like u said, all of Drew's injuries have been a result of freak accidents...basically, injuries that woulda happened to any player under that same circumstance. meaning, he's far from the Greg Oden everyone has made him out to be. you CANNOT throw the ball to Dwight and expect him to score. you CAN with Bynum. and very true, Bynum has that Kobe killer instinct, while Dwight is more LeBronesque when it comes to his will to win. Give me Bynum all day.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: 7even on January 04, 2012, 07:33:30 AM
I'm happy Bynum is so good right now, because it means that Jim Buss will never offer him to Orlando. Meaning Dwight will end up on the Mavericks, Deron will join next summer. Thank you Bynum.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 04, 2012, 11:40:03 AM
Kevin Love had 20 & 30 games last year & NIK only starts jerkin' off when Bynum does it. Son has no credibility whatsoever.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 04, 2012, 01:26:15 PM
Kevin Love had 20 & 30 games last year & NIK only starts jerkin' off when Bynum does it. Son has no credibility whatsoever.


kevin love had a 30-30 game, retard, and kevin love is a beast.......but he's no andrew bynum. lol@talking about credibility and not even knowing of the historic 30-30. smfh.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 04, 2012, 02:16:48 PM
Kevin Love had 20 & 30 games last year & NIK only starts jerkin' off when Bynum does it. Son has no credibility whatsoever.


kevin love had a 30-30 game, retard, and kevin love is a beast.......but he's no andrew bynum. lol@talking about credibility and not even knowing of the historic 30-30. smfh.

Why isn't he Andrew Bynum? This is why you have zero credibility. You post Bynum's stats like "look, this is why he's good". But for LeBron & Kevin Love stats "don't tell the whole story". You're an idiot, a dickrider & shouldn't be allowed to talk about sports.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 04, 2012, 02:49:43 PM
Kevin Love had 20 & 30 games last year & NIK only starts jerkin' off when Bynum does it. Son has no credibility whatsoever.


kevin love had a 30-30 game, retard, and kevin love is a beast.......but he's no andrew bynum. lol@talking about credibility and not even knowing of the historic 30-30. smfh.

Why isn't he Andrew Bynum? This is why you have zero credibility. You post Bynum's stats like "look, this is why he's good". But for LeBron & Kevin Love stats "don't tell the whole story". You're an idiot, a dickrider & shouldn't be allowed to talk about sports.


LOL...it aint my fault if u dont have a vision for basketball and can't judge talent when u see it. Bynum is better than Love because he is better...simple as that. I've watched them both play, and my eyes don't lie. I don't need numbers to tell me who is better, such as yourself. the reason u need numbers is because u can't judge basketball by simply watching the games. while i watch, analyze, and observe, u the type of dude who watches the espn highlights when the games are over and says "damnnnn, lebron is untouchable, 66-0 for sure!!!"...when u get on my level, holla.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 04, 2012, 04:32:34 PM
Kevin Love had 20 & 30 games last year & NIK only starts jerkin' off when Bynum does it. Son has no credibility whatsoever.


kevin love had a 30-30 game, retard, and kevin love is a beast.......but he's no andrew bynum. lol@talking about credibility and not even knowing of the historic 30-30. smfh.

Why isn't he Andrew Bynum? This is why you have zero credibility. You post Bynum's stats like "look, this is why he's good". But for LeBron & Kevin Love stats "don't tell the whole story". You're an idiot, a dickrider & shouldn't be allowed to talk about sports.


LOL...it aint my fault if u dont have a vision for basketball and can't judge talent when u see it. Bynum is better than Love because he is better...simple as that. I've watched them both play, and my eyes don't lie. I don't need numbers to tell me who is better, such as yourself. the reason u need numbers is because u can't judge basketball by simply watching the games. while i watch, analyze, and observe, u the type of dude who watches the espn highlights when the games are over and says "damnnnn, lebron is untouchable, 66-0 for sure!!!"...when u get on my level, holla.

You have zero credibility. You just straight up said "I see with my eyes. I know talent." I pity the fool who takes you seriously.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 04, 2012, 06:53:32 PM
Howard had 28 & 20 tonight. He's garbage though. :D
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 04, 2012, 09:20:34 PM
^never said Howard is garbage, u dumb bitch. Bynum still BEASTIN, though.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 05, 2012, 01:23:10 AM
^never said Howard is garbage, u dumb bitch. Bynum still BEASTIN, though.

No argument. Dwight's still head & shoulders better.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 05, 2012, 01:29:03 AM
^never said Howard is garbage, u dumb bitch. Bynum still BEASTIN, though.

No argument. Dwight's still head & shoulders better.


just like 1 year ago, Kendrick Perkins was the "2nd best center in the NBA"...lmfao smh
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: teecee on January 05, 2012, 02:23:32 PM
both Chan and NIK say some messed up shit

anyway, good to see Bynum playing well, but his injury history suggests he will be hurt in the next 20 or so games.



NIK I get why you like Bynum, he's got great footwork and a nice touch.  I get why you don't love D12s game~ he relies on athleticism. And yes, Bynum would get more looks on the Magic, but he also wouldn't benefit from a superstar guard commanding constant double teams


the truth is Howard is still far more effective because of his athleticism, and this is something Bynum will never attain  Bynum will never be the defender Howard is, but he certainly is becoming a very good player in his own right  Lets see him do it for a whole season now.   

Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: PLANT on January 05, 2012, 02:59:15 PM
There is no denying Bynum is having a breakout season this year.  And hes been getting a lot of attention lately.  Good for him.   Has anyone else noticed Andrea Bargnani having a similar "breakout" type season so far?  Dude is also BEASTIN!
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: TheRemedy360Ressurection on January 05, 2012, 03:46:14 PM
Wish I had picked up him on fantasy (the league I actually made it to the draft). When you think about it most of his injuries have been freak ones, it just seems like he's always injured so I didn't wanna risk on him. Dude's beastin though.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: rayallen0 on January 05, 2012, 06:41:37 PM
So Bynum played how many games so far?

Howard plays like someone who wants to be traded FAST.... he's having the worst season he's had in years..

And even IF Bynum actually becomes better on a continued basis (highly unlikely, you can't ignore that Howard is NEVER injured, Bynum all the time) your claim that Bynum was on his level in 2008 will forever remain ridic. If the Lakers had straight up traded Bynum for Howard back then, you would have been happy as shit, don't lie.
So Bynum played how many games so far?

Howard plays like someone who wants to be traded FAST.... he's having the worst season he's had in years..

And even IF Bynum actually becomes better on a continued basis (highly unlikely, you can't ignore that Howard is NEVER injured, Bynum all the time) your claim that Bynum was on his level in 2008 will forever remain ridic. If the Lakers had straight up traded Bynum for Howard back then, you would have been happy as shit, don't lie.
Are you watching basketball dude?

game by game howard stat lines
11 Pts, 15 Reb. 2 BLK
21 pts, 7 Reb. 3 Ast, 3 Blk
16 Pts, 24 Reb, 3 Ast, 3 Stl, 3 Blk
20 Pts, 24 Reb, 4 Ast, 1 Stl, 4 Blk
19 Pts, 15 Reb, 1 Ast, 1 Stl, 3 Blk
19 Pts, 7 Reb, 2 Ast, 5 Stl, 1 Blk
28 Pts, 20 Reb, 2 Ast, 3 Blk

compared to
29 Pts, 13 Reb, 1 Ast, 1 Stl, 2 Blk
18 Pts, 16 Reb, 1 Stl, 1 Blk
21 Pts, 22 Reb, 3 Blk

Magic are 5-2. Lakers are 4-3.

Both doing great so far still taking Dwight.

Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: 7even on January 05, 2012, 07:26:38 PM
^What does you posting up stats have to do with the question if I'm watching basketball, faggot?
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: rayallen0 on January 05, 2012, 07:44:21 PM
^What does you posting up stats have to do with the question if I'm watching basketball, faggot?
ok im a faggot cuz i just posted stats showing howard is playing great. great logic. I'm sorry that the mav's are 2-4 and you are pissed off at the world but chill.

I'm sorry when your on a 5-2 team and averaging 19.1 ppg, 16.0 rpg & 2.71 bpg i don't think you are playing to be traded.
He may not like his situation but you don't get 3 20/20 games in 7 games by not trying.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 05, 2012, 08:21:55 PM
both Chan and NIK say some messed up shit

anyway, good to see Bynum playing well, but his injury history suggests he will be hurt in the next 20 or so games.



NIK I get why you like Bynum, he's got great footwork and a nice touch.  I get why you don't love D12s game~ he relies on athleticism. And yes, Bynum would get more looks on the Magic, but he also wouldn't benefit from a superstar guard commanding constant double teams


the truth is Howard is still far more effective because of his athleticism, and this is something Bynum will never attain  Bynum will never be the defender Howard is, but he certainly is becoming a very good player in his own right  Lets see him do it for a whole season now.   




what have i said that's "messed up"?? just like this thread...people were tryna laugh at me for saying bynum could easily be better than amare, and look now....amare aint even close to bynum. same with 2005-2006, i was saying odom was better than ak47 and ron artest and mufuckaz were tryna laugh like it's some ridiculous claim...some of yall need 2 watch ur basketball and quit reading stats and ull know this shit.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 05, 2012, 09:41:31 PM
LOL, who said Odom wasn't better?
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 05, 2012, 09:50:49 PM
LOL, who said Odom wasn't better?


buncha peeps..u were still a preteen, so i dont think u were around back then. but if u were, guaranteed u woulda been cosigning them.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 05, 2012, 11:46:29 PM
LOL, who said Odom wasn't better?


buncha peeps..u were still a preteen, so i dont think u were around back then. but if u were, guaranteed u woulda been cosigning them.

Yeah, guaranteed. You know all.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 06, 2012, 12:57:06 AM
^ur catching on, faggot.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: 7even on January 06, 2012, 08:42:18 AM
^What does you posting up stats have to do with the question if I'm watching basketball, faggot?
ok im a faggot cuz i just posted stats showing howard is playing great. great logic. I'm sorry that the mav's are 2-4 and you are pissed off at the world but chill.

I'm sorry when your on a 5-2 team and averaging 19.1 ppg, 16.0 rpg & 2.71 bpg i don't think you are playing to be traded.
He may not like his situation but you don't get 3 20/20 games in 7 games by not trying.

You're a faggot because you're making it seem like I might not watch basketball ... thus making it seem like I don't know what I'm talking about, right? That warrants an insult. I never said that Howard sucks, whatcha smoking? My entire hope for the Mavs is centered around him. He's my nigga. All I said was that he played even better the years before. Deron Williams plays like Baron Davis right now, does that make him a sucker? No, he's just quitting on the team to make his departure less hurtful. Saving his tank for the Mavericks, as should Howard. In fact I am giving him props when I say that he's a player who can get 20/20 on a winning team without giving 100%.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: 7even on January 06, 2012, 08:47:23 AM
LOL, who said Odom wasn't better?


buncha peeps..u were still a preteen, so i dont think u were around back then. but if u were, guaranteed u woulda been cosigning them.

Some players fall apart faster than others... Kirilenko is not that old, but nevertheless he is not nearly the player he used to be. Not everybody has the durability and consistency of Kobe & Dirk. T-Mac is younger than Bryant, yet look at his ass during the last years. Back when you said that shit, Kirilenko was playing at a higher level than Odom. And when I look at Odom right now, I puke. Odom is an abonomination right now, trust me. You proud your ass on saying Bynum was better than Amare.. don't flatter yourself. Amare has had some trouble with his knees, remember? Many niggas semi-retire after that shit. So it's all good in the hood for him.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: wcsoldier on January 06, 2012, 09:18:58 AM
Overall people have to watch more games and less boxscores ... numbers don't tell the whole story and it depends on what team a player puts numbers on and in which context ... Kevin Love numbers suggest he would be one of the very top PF in the game .. I'd take quite a lot of PFs before him on my team ... horrible 1 on 1 defender , leaves his man before a shot is even up to get the rebound .. if there's a shot .. basically his impact on the game is a lot less important than his monster numbers would suggest ...

Amare is a scoring machine but he's so bad on D and rebounding ... taking him over Bynum is a NO ... especially when you see the 2 going against each other , it's not even funny how Drew destroys him
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: TheRemedy360Ressurection on January 06, 2012, 10:59:42 AM
^What does you posting up stats have to do with the question if I'm watching basketball, faggot?
ok im a faggot cuz i just posted stats showing howard is playing great. great logic. I'm sorry that the mav's are 2-4 and you are pissed off at the world but chill.

I'm sorry when your on a 5-2 team and averaging 19.1 ppg, 16.0 rpg & 2.71 bpg i don't think you are playing to be traded.
He may not like his situation but you don't get 3 20/20 games in 7 games by not trying.

You're a faggot because you're making it seem like I might not watch basketball ... thus making it seem like I don't know what I'm talking about, right? That warrants an insult. I never said that Howard sucks, whatcha smoking? My entire hope for the Mavs is centered around him. He's my nigga. All I said was that he played even better the years before. Deron Williams plays like Baron Davis right now, does that make him a sucker? No, he's just quitting on the team to make his departure less hurtful. Saving his tank for the Mavericks, as should Howard. In fact I am giving him props when I say that he's a player who can get 20/20 on a winning team without giving 100%.

LOL, sorry to break it to you but just because the Mavs won the title last year doesn't mean Dallas is the new desired landing spot for stars.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 06, 2012, 11:01:41 AM
LOL, who said Odom wasn't better?


buncha peeps..u were still a preteen, so i dont think u were around back then. but if u were, guaranteed u woulda been cosigning them.

Some players fall apart faster than others... Kirilenko is not that old, but nevertheless he is not nearly the player he used to be. Not everybody has the durability and consistency of Kobe & Dirk. T-Mac is younger than Bryant, yet look at his ass during the last years. Back when you said that shit, Kirilenko was playing at a higher level than Odom. And when I look at Odom right now, I puke. Odom is an abonomination right now, trust me. You proud your ass on saying Bynum was better than Amare.. don't flatter yourself. Amare has had some trouble with his knees, remember? Many niggas semi-retire after that shit. So it's all good in the hood for him.


bottom line, Bynum is a beast......the people who tried to laugh it off when i initially said it need 2 recognize.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: 7even on January 06, 2012, 11:46:33 AM
^What does you posting up stats have to do with the question if I'm watching basketball, faggot?
ok im a faggot cuz i just posted stats showing howard is playing great. great logic. I'm sorry that the mav's are 2-4 and you are pissed off at the world but chill.

I'm sorry when your on a 5-2 team and averaging 19.1 ppg, 16.0 rpg & 2.71 bpg i don't think you are playing to be traded.
He may not like his situation but you don't get 3 20/20 games in 7 games by not trying.

You're a faggot because you're making it seem like I might not watch basketball ... thus making it seem like I don't know what I'm talking about, right? That warrants an insult. I never said that Howard sucks, whatcha smoking? My entire hope for the Mavs is centered around him. He's my nigga. All I said was that he played even better the years before. Deron Williams plays like Baron Davis right now, does that make him a sucker? No, he's just quitting on the team to make his departure less hurtful. Saving his tank for the Mavericks, as should Howard. In fact I am giving him props when I say that he's a player who can get 20/20 on a winning team without giving 100%.

LOL, sorry to break it to you but just because the Mavs won the title last year doesn't mean Dallas is the new desired landing spot for stars.

Don't you follow NBA gossip? If no, I suggest you try it out, it's fun. Sometimes better than the games. If yes, you've got some catching up to do. Let me put you up on it..

The player called Dwight Howard has a list of teams he allowed the Magic to deal with, that's a well-known fact. He also openly talked good about Cuban not too long ago. Next, his agent (agents are btw more powerful than some people might think) is very good people with the Mavs organization. The list I talked about only inculdes the Mavs, Lakers and Nets. The Lakers have Bynum beasting and won't do shit. The Nets suck beyond imagination, even with Howard - they'd still suck lmao. They also don't have crap to offer to Orlando. The Magic already said they don't want a package centered by early draft picks and rookies like normal teams often want in that situation - they have a 85-year-old owner who wants veterans who can keep this team competitive. So the stuff the Mavs have to offer is much better than Brook Lopez+picks. Can't complain about Kidd+Odom+Beaubois+Haywood for Howard and the dumb contracts of Turkoglu & Duhon. Their old ass owner could die watching a bearable team with no luxury tax.

About the NBA player called Deron Williams, it's almost a done deal. Even T-Mac talked about it, even though it's really none of his business. It amazes me that you don't seem to know about it. D-Will is from Dallas and actually likes the city. He's not one of those corny fucks who'd die to live in LA or NY for some reason. He's been in the Mavs locker room. He has quit on the Nets. The only way he stays with the Nets is Howard teaming up with him over there. If Howard gets traded to the Mavs, the only way Deron doesn't join next summer is if a family member gets kidnapped by the Russian mob. Real talk.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: 7even on January 06, 2012, 11:57:27 AM
LOL, who said Odom wasn't better?


buncha peeps..u were still a preteen, so i dont think u were around back then. but if u were, guaranteed u woulda been cosigning them.

Some players fall apart faster than others... Kirilenko is not that old, but nevertheless he is not nearly the player he used to be. Not everybody has the durability and consistency of Kobe & Dirk. T-Mac is younger than Bryant, yet look at his ass during the last years. Back when you said that shit, Kirilenko was playing at a higher level than Odom. And when I look at Odom right now, I puke. Odom is an abonomination right now, trust me. You proud your ass on saying Bynum was better than Amare.. don't flatter yourself. Amare has had some trouble with his knees, remember? Many niggas semi-retire after that shit. So it's all good in the hood for him.


bottom line, Bynum is a beast......the people who tried to laugh it off when i initially said it need 2 recognize.

Yeah, but you shouldn't get credit for it. Wanna know why? Because you talk a gang of shit about Laker-players. On a rare occasion, someone you blatantly talked up turns out to be good eventually. But what happened to Kwame Brown or Javaris Crittenton? You talked about them like they could be the next big things in the NBA lmao. Kinda like those niggas who act like the Pau Gasol deal the Grizzlies got from the Lakers wasn't criminal after all, just because Marc Gasol turned out to be good. Well, but noone could have seen that coming and all who claim they did are either liars or simply talked him up out of principle back then.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: rayallen0 on January 06, 2012, 12:05:01 PM
still would take Amar'e Stoudemire & Al Horford over him.  Though Stoudemire is a Power Forward playing Center.  also throw Bogut into the convo.

If Bynum is healthy then yeah i'll put him #2 but I'm not taking a risk on a 24 year old injury risk.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 06, 2012, 12:11:14 PM
LOL, who said Odom wasn't better?


buncha peeps..u were still a preteen, so i dont think u were around back then. but if u were, guaranteed u woulda been cosigning them.

Some players fall apart faster than others... Kirilenko is not that old, but nevertheless he is not nearly the player he used to be. Not everybody has the durability and consistency of Kobe & Dirk. T-Mac is younger than Bryant, yet look at his ass during the last years. Back when you said that shit, Kirilenko was playing at a higher level than Odom. And when I look at Odom right now, I puke. Odom is an abonomination right now, trust me. You proud your ass on saying Bynum was better than Amare.. don't flatter yourself. Amare has had some trouble with his knees, remember? Many niggas semi-retire after that shit. So it's all good in the hood for him.


bottom line, Bynum is a beast......the people who tried to laugh it off when i initially said it need 2 recognize.

Yeah, but you shouldn't get credit for it. Wanna know why? Because you talk a gang of shit about Laker-players. On a rare occasion, someone you blatantly talked up turns out to be good eventually. But what happened to Kwame Brown or Javaris Crittenton? You talked about them like they could be the next big things in the NBA lmao. Kinda like those niggas who act like the Pau Gasol deal the Grizzlies got from the Lakers wasn't criminal after all, just because Marc Gasol turned out to be good. Well, but noone could have seen that coming and all who claim they did are either liars or simply talked him up out of principle back then.


LMAO...dont compare, please. when did I ever say Kwame could be better than Dwight, or anything along those lines? Only thing i said bout Kwame was that he was good for our team and a great defender. Thats where it ended...never did I put Kwame in the same category as Bynum, who I KNEW could be something special. As for Crit, dude still has the tools to be a nice player, but just isn't that smart. and again, never did I claim he'd be something special, as I did with Bynum. U cannot deny my vision within the sport of basketball......as for the Grizzlies trade, it simply wasn't criminal because a.)they got cap-space to sign Zach Randolph b.)they got young players with mad potential (Marc Gasol, Javaris Crittenton...whether they panned out or not is irrelevant - they were great prospects at the time) and c.)they got TWO first round draft picks.. nothing criminal about that trade.. as u can see, it even worked in Memphis's favor......shit, I want a refund LOL.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 06, 2012, 12:11:39 PM
still would take Amar'e Stoudemire & Al Horford over him.  Though Stoudemire is a Power Forward playing Center.  also throw Bogut into the convo.


ROFLMAO...come on, my dude
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: rayallen0 on January 06, 2012, 12:15:10 PM
still would take Amar'e Stoudemire & Al Horford over him.  Though Stoudemire is a Power Forward playing Center.  also throw Bogut into the convo.


ROFLMAO...come on, my dude
players who have played great seasons of basketball or a player who is great through 4 games with a .500 team and will most likely get injured before the all star break.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 06, 2012, 12:20:49 PM
still would take Amar'e Stoudemire & Al Horford over him.  Though Stoudemire is a Power Forward playing Center.  also throw Bogut into the convo.


ROFLMAO...come on, my dude
players who have played great seasons of basketball or a player who is great through 4 games with a .500 team and will most likely get injured before the all star break.


why will he most likely get injured? all of Bynum's injuries have been from freak accidents; players rolling into his knees, landing on someones foot, etc....he is not Greg Oden, so get over that notion....as for u picking Amare, Horford, and Bogut over Bynum, that's just sad...if u were a GM, u would for sure get assassinated. Bynum has all the tools of a great big...none of the other names u mentioned do. They're not even currently in the same class....just watch some Laker games, bro.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: 7even on January 06, 2012, 12:26:55 PM
LOL, who said Odom wasn't better?


buncha peeps..u were still a preteen, so i dont think u were around back then. but if u were, guaranteed u woulda been cosigning them.

Some players fall apart faster than others... Kirilenko is not that old, but nevertheless he is not nearly the player he used to be. Not everybody has the durability and consistency of Kobe & Dirk. T-Mac is younger than Bryant, yet look at his ass during the last years. Back when you said that shit, Kirilenko was playing at a higher level than Odom. And when I look at Odom right now, I puke. Odom is an abonomination right now, trust me. You proud your ass on saying Bynum was better than Amare.. don't flatter yourself. Amare has had some trouble with his knees, remember? Many niggas semi-retire after that shit. So it's all good in the hood for him.


bottom line, Bynum is a beast......the people who tried to laugh it off when i initially said it need 2 recognize.

Yeah, but you shouldn't get credit for it. Wanna know why? Because you talk a gang of shit about Laker-players. On a rare occasion, someone you blatantly talked up turns out to be good eventually. But what happened to Kwame Brown or Javaris Crittenton? You talked about them like they could be the next big things in the NBA lmao. Kinda like those niggas who act like the Pau Gasol deal the Grizzlies got from the Lakers wasn't criminal after all, just because Marc Gasol turned out to be good. Well, but noone could have seen that coming and all who claim they did are either liars or simply talked him up out of principle back then.


LMAO...dont compare, please. when did I ever say Kwame could be better than Dwight, or anything along those lines? Only thing i said bout Kwame was that he was good for our team and a great defender. Thats where it ended...never did I put Kwame in the same category as Bynum, who I KNEW could be something special. As for Crit, dude still has the tools to be a nice player, but just isn't that smart. and again, never did I claim he'd be something special, as I did with Bynum. U cannot deny my vision within the sport of basketball......as for the Grizzlies trade, it simply wasn't criminal because a.)they got cap-space to sign Zach Randolph b.)they got young players with mad potential (Marc Gasol, Javaris Crittenton...whether they panned out or not is irrelevant - they were great prospects at the time) and c.)they got TWO first round draft picks.. nothing criminal about that trade.. as u can see, it even worked in Memphis's favor......shit, I want a refund LOL.

Nigga if you want a refund, you might as well give 2 championships away too. No way those titles happen without that trade. Next, let's not get too technical about Kwame or Crittenton - bottom line is, you talked them up to something there were not. And I'd bet my house on it: If Crittenton SOMEHOW went on to be an All-Star caliber player, you would have put on your "told you so" talk. Guaranteed. Same for Kwame.

And yes the trade worked out for the Grizzlies, I don't deny this. It's just that there's no way Chris Wallace out-smarted everybody and made a good trade because he's a terrific GM lol. He did a dumb trade and lucked out. It's a difference between being delusional and lucky and being rational and smart. Like, when Bynum's mother tells me he's gonna be great one day, it's not because of her vision of basketball.

But yeah, you do know your NBA shit, it's just that you're also a Laker-homer and blatant hater (LeBron, Nash etc), which takes away a good portion of the credit you'd receive otherwise.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: wcsoldier on January 06, 2012, 12:32:14 PM
still would take Amar'e Stoudemire & Al Horford over him.  Though Stoudemire is a Power Forward playing Center.  also throw Bogut into the convo.

If Bynum is healthy then yeah i'll put him #2 but I'm not taking a risk on a 24 year old injury risk.

Al Horford isn't a center either ...
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 06, 2012, 12:34:28 PM
LOL, who said Odom wasn't better?


buncha peeps..u were still a preteen, so i dont think u were around back then. but if u were, guaranteed u woulda been cosigning them.

Some players fall apart faster than others... Kirilenko is not that old, but nevertheless he is not nearly the player he used to be. Not everybody has the durability and consistency of Kobe & Dirk. T-Mac is younger than Bryant, yet look at his ass during the last years. Back when you said that shit, Kirilenko was playing at a higher level than Odom. And when I look at Odom right now, I puke. Odom is an abonomination right now, trust me. You proud your ass on saying Bynum was better than Amare.. don't flatter yourself. Amare has had some trouble with his knees, remember? Many niggas semi-retire after that shit. So it's all good in the hood for him.


bottom line, Bynum is a beast......the people who tried to laugh it off when i initially said it need 2 recognize.

Yeah, but you shouldn't get credit for it. Wanna know why? Because you talk a gang of shit about Laker-players. On a rare occasion, someone you blatantly talked up turns out to be good eventually. But what happened to Kwame Brown or Javaris Crittenton? You talked about them like they could be the next big things in the NBA lmao. Kinda like those niggas who act like the Pau Gasol deal the Grizzlies got from the Lakers wasn't criminal after all, just because Marc Gasol turned out to be good. Well, but noone could have seen that coming and all who claim they did are either liars or simply talked him up out of principle back then.


LMAO...dont compare, please. when did I ever say Kwame could be better than Dwight, or anything along those lines? Only thing i said bout Kwame was that he was good for our team and a great defender. Thats where it ended...never did I put Kwame in the same category as Bynum, who I KNEW could be something special. As for Crit, dude still has the tools to be a nice player, but just isn't that smart. and again, never did I claim he'd be something special, as I did with Bynum. U cannot deny my vision within the sport of basketball......as for the Grizzlies trade, it simply wasn't criminal because a.)they got cap-space to sign Zach Randolph b.)they got young players with mad potential (Marc Gasol, Javaris Crittenton...whether they panned out or not is irrelevant - they were great prospects at the time) and c.)they got TWO first round draft picks.. nothing criminal about that trade.. as u can see, it even worked in Memphis's favor......shit, I want a refund LOL.

Nigga if you want a refund, you might as well give 2 championships away too. No way those titles happen without that trade. Next, let's not get too technical about Kwame or Crittenton - bottom line is, you talked them up to something there were not. And I'd bet my house on it: If Crittenton SOMEHOW went on to be an All-Star caliber player, you would have put on your "told you so" talk. Guaranteed. Same for Kwame.

And yes the trade worked out for the Grizzlies, I don't deny this. It's just that there's no way Chris Wallace out-smarted everybody and made a good trade because he's a terrific GM lol. He did a dumb trade and lucked out. It's a difference between being delusional and lucky and being rational and smart. Like, when Bynum's mother tells me he's gonna be great one day, it's not because of her vision of basketball.

But yeah, you do know your NBA shit, it's just that you're also a Laker-homer and blatant hater (LeBron, Nash etc), which takes away a good portion of the credit you'd receive otherwise.


if u really think i bigged up Critt or Kwame the way i bigged up Bynum, then ur fuckin joking urself.....straight up, i said what it was - never more, never less...i said Bynum was on his way to being GREAT. I never said that about Critt or Kwame, ever...all I said about Kwame was that if he got his mind straight, he could be a good big in this league, and that when he was on top of his game, he was playing some good basketball for us (especially on d)...as for Critt, I noted his potential and arsenal, but never claimed he was gunna be great or anything along those lines.....so yea, the way i spoke of Bynum is way different than the way I've ever spoken of Critt or Kwame, and u know that. as for Chris Wallace, dude had a plan...he executed and it went accordingly. he didn't "luck out", LOL.


and I'm a diehard fan, not a homer... i do bleed p&g, but everything I say is credible, I don't pull shit out my ass. I don't hate LeBron or Nash, I just think they've been overhyped (not so much Nash anymore), and so far, my sentiments have held true.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: rayallen0 on January 06, 2012, 12:47:39 PM
still would take Amar'e Stoudemire & Al Horford over him.  Though Stoudemire is a Power Forward playing Center.  also throw Bogut into the convo.


ROFLMAO...come on, my dude
players who have played great seasons of basketball or a player who is great through 4 games with a .500 team and will most likely get injured before the all star break.


why will he most likely get injured? all of Bynum's injuries have been from freak accidents; players rolling into his knees, landing on someones foot, etc....he is not Greg Oden, so get over that notion....as for u picking Amare, Horford, and Bogut over Bynum, that's just sad...if u were a GM, u would for sure get assassinated. Bynum has all the tools of a great big...none of the other names u mentioned do. They're not even currently in the same class....just watch some Laker games, bro.
I have watched games. Amare led the Knicks to the playoffs before Melo came and fucked up the chemistry. Horford has made the playoffs every year he has played and steadily improved. They were freak injuries. but freak injuries to your legs add up especially when you are carrying a 285 LB frame. Bogut is as consistent Double/Double guy who will give you a solid 30 minutes every game. I could easily be wrong. If Bynum stays healthy and does this for the full season i will eat my words and rank him #2. but 4 games doesn't erase 3 double/double averaging seasons for bogut. or the solid increase in his 4 year career for Horford and being one of the most well rounded centers. and damn sure doesn't erase Stoudemire scoring or his 9 straight 30 point games last season or the heart shown in Stoudemire when he played with an injured back in the playoffs, not to mention his huge improvement in his mid-range game.

you are a homer own up to that.


And Horford played center in college and all 4 years in the NBA. so how in the fuck is he a power forward? because he is undersized?
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: TheRemedy360Ressurection on January 06, 2012, 01:12:04 PM
^What does you posting up stats have to do with the question if I'm watching basketball, faggot?
ok im a faggot cuz i just posted stats showing howard is playing great. great logic. I'm sorry that the mav's are 2-4 and you are pissed off at the world but chill.

I'm sorry when your on a 5-2 team and averaging 19.1 ppg, 16.0 rpg & 2.71 bpg i don't think you are playing to be traded.
He may not like his situation but you don't get 3 20/20 games in 7 games by not trying.

You're a faggot because you're making it seem like I might not watch basketball ... thus making it seem like I don't know what I'm talking about, right? That warrants an insult. I never said that Howard sucks, whatcha smoking? My entire hope for the Mavs is centered around him. He's my nigga. All I said was that he played even better the years before. Deron Williams plays like Baron Davis right now, does that make him a sucker? No, he's just quitting on the team to make his departure less hurtful. Saving his tank for the Mavericks, as should Howard. In fact I am giving him props when I say that he's a player who can get 20/20 on a winning team without giving 100%.

LOL, sorry to break it to you but just because the Mavs won the title last year doesn't mean Dallas is the new desired landing spot for stars.

Don't you follow NBA gossip? If no, I suggest you try it out, it's fun. Sometimes better than the games. If yes, you've got some catching up to do. Let me put you up on it..

The player called Dwight Howard has a list of teams he allowed the Magic to deal with, that's a well-known fact. He also openly talked good about Cuban not too long ago. Next, his agent (agents are btw more powerful than some people might think) is very good people with the Mavs organization. The list I talked about only inculdes the Mavs, Lakers and Nets. The Lakers have Bynum beasting and won't do shit. The Nets suck beyond imagination, even with Howard - they'd still suck lmao. They also don't have crap to offer to Orlando. The Magic already said they don't want a package centered by early draft picks and rookies like normal teams often want in that situation - they have a 85-year-old owner who wants veterans who can keep this team competitive. So the stuff the Mavs have to offer is much better than Brook Lopez+picks. Can't complain about Kidd+Odom+Beaubois+Haywood for Howard and the dumb contracts of Turkoglu & Duhon. Their old ass owner could die watching a bearable team with no luxury tax.

About the NBA player called Deron Williams, it's almost a done deal. Even T-Mac talked about it, even though it's really none of his business. It amazes me that you don't seem to know about it. D-Will is from Dallas and actually likes the city. He's not one of those corny fucks who'd die to live in LA or NY for some reason. He's been in the Mavs locker room. He has quit on the Nets. The only way he stays with the Nets is Howard teaming up with him over there. If Howard gets traded to the Mavs, the only way Deron doesn't join next summer is if a family member gets kidnapped by the Russian mob. Real talk.

We'll see, still don't really see it happening though. For the record I like the Mavs cause Cuban was one of the 2 owners (besides Seattle native Paul Allen) to vote against the Sonics relocation, so if the stars want to go there then i'm all for it.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: TheRemedy360Ressurection on January 06, 2012, 01:17:58 PM
LOL, who said Odom wasn't better?


buncha peeps..u were still a preteen, so i dont think u were around back then. but if u were, guaranteed u woulda been cosigning them.

Some players fall apart faster than others... Kirilenko is not that old, but nevertheless he is not nearly the player he used to be. Not everybody has the durability and consistency of Kobe & Dirk. T-Mac is younger than Bryant, yet look at his ass during the last years. Back when you said that shit, Kirilenko was playing at a higher level than Odom. And when I look at Odom right now, I puke. Odom is an abonomination right now, trust me. You proud your ass on saying Bynum was better than Amare.. don't flatter yourself. Amare has had some trouble with his knees, remember? Many niggas semi-retire after that shit. So it's all good in the hood for him.


bottom line, Bynum is a beast......the people who tried to laugh it off when i initially said it need 2 recognize.

Yeah, but you shouldn't get credit for it. Wanna know why? Because you talk a gang of shit about Laker-players. On a rare occasion, someone you blatantly talked up turns out to be good eventually. But what happened to Kwame Brown or Javaris Crittenton? You talked about them like they could be the next big things in the NBA lmao. Kinda like those niggas who act like the Pau Gasol deal the Grizzlies got from the Lakers wasn't criminal after all, just because Marc Gasol turned out to be good. Well, but noone could have seen that coming and all who claim they did are either liars or simply talked him up out of principle back then.


LMAO...dont compare, please. when did I ever say Kwame could be better than Dwight, or anything along those lines? Only thing i said bout Kwame was that he was good for our team and a great defender. Thats where it ended...never did I put Kwame in the same category as Bynum, who I KNEW could be something special. As for Crit, dude still has the tools to be a nice player, but just isn't that smart. and again, never did I claim he'd be something special, as I did with Bynum. U cannot deny my vision within the sport of basketball......as for the Grizzlies trade, it simply wasn't criminal because a.)they got cap-space to sign Zach Randolph b.)they got young players with mad potential (Marc Gasol, Javaris Crittenton...whether they panned out or not is irrelevant - they were great prospects at the time) and c.)they got TWO first round draft picks.. nothing criminal about that trade.. as u can see, it even worked in Memphis's favor......shit, I want a refund LOL.

Nigga if you want a refund, you might as well give 2 championships away too. No way those titles happen without that trade. Next, let's not get too technical about Kwame or Crittenton - bottom line is, you talked them up to something there were not. And I'd bet my house on it: If Crittenton SOMEHOW went on to be an All-Star caliber player, you would have put on your "told you so" talk. Guaranteed. Same for Kwame.

And yes the trade worked out for the Grizzlies, I don't deny this. It's just that there's no way Chris Wallace out-smarted everybody and made a good trade because he's a terrific GM lol. He did a dumb trade and lucked out. It's a difference between being delusional and lucky and being rational and smart. Like, when Bynum's mother tells me he's gonna be great one day, it's not because of her vision of basketball.

But yeah, you do know your NBA shit, it's just that you're also a Laker-homer and blatant hater (LeBron, Nash etc), which takes away a good portion of the credit you'd receive otherwise.

When you're a shitty team you trade away your talent, they got cap space, a few prospects, and a few draft picks. If they had held on to Pau they wouldn't have been shit and dude knew that so he shipped him out. The only reason people hated that trade so much was because it made the Lakers a championship team, when in reality, rebuilding salary moves get made quite often in all sports. Nobody was crying when the Sonics gave up Ray Allen for Jeff Green and Allen helped lead Boston to a championship.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: rayallen0 on January 06, 2012, 02:35:29 PM
LOL, who said Odom wasn't better?


buncha peeps..u were still a preteen, so i dont think u were around back then. but if u were, guaranteed u woulda been cosigning them.

Some players fall apart faster than others... Kirilenko is not that old, but nevertheless he is not nearly the player he used to be. Not everybody has the durability and consistency of Kobe & Dirk. T-Mac is younger than Bryant, yet look at his ass during the last years. Back when you said that shit, Kirilenko was playing at a higher level than Odom. And when I look at Odom right now, I puke. Odom is an abonomination right now, trust me. You proud your ass on saying Bynum was better than Amare.. don't flatter yourself. Amare has had some trouble with his knees, remember? Many niggas semi-retire after that shit. So it's all good in the hood for him.


bottom line, Bynum is a beast......the people who tried to laugh it off when i initially said it need 2 recognize.

Yeah, but you shouldn't get credit for it. Wanna know why? Because you talk a gang of shit about Laker-players. On a rare occasion, someone you blatantly talked up turns out to be good eventually. But what happened to Kwame Brown or Javaris Crittenton? You talked about them like they could be the next big things in the NBA lmao. Kinda like those niggas who act like the Pau Gasol deal the Grizzlies got from the Lakers wasn't criminal after all, just because Marc Gasol turned out to be good. Well, but noone could have seen that coming and all who claim they did are either liars or simply talked him up out of principle back then.


LMAO...dont compare, please. when did I ever say Kwame could be better than Dwight, or anything along those lines? Only thing i said bout Kwame was that he was good for our team and a great defender. Thats where it ended...never did I put Kwame in the same category as Bynum, who I KNEW could be something special. As for Crit, dude still has the tools to be a nice player, but just isn't that smart. and again, never did I claim he'd be something special, as I did with Bynum. U cannot deny my vision within the sport of basketball......as for the Grizzlies trade, it simply wasn't criminal because a.)they got cap-space to sign Zach Randolph b.)they got young players with mad potential (Marc Gasol, Javaris Crittenton...whether they panned out or not is irrelevant - they were great prospects at the time) and c.)they got TWO first round draft picks.. nothing criminal about that trade.. as u can see, it even worked in Memphis's favor......shit, I want a refund LOL.

Nigga if you want a refund, you might as well give 2 championships away too. No way those titles happen without that trade. Next, let's not get too technical about Kwame or Crittenton - bottom line is, you talked them up to something there were not. And I'd bet my house on it: If Crittenton SOMEHOW went on to be an All-Star caliber player, you would have put on your "told you so" talk. Guaranteed. Same for Kwame.

And yes the trade worked out for the Grizzlies, I don't deny this. It's just that there's no way Chris Wallace out-smarted everybody and made a good trade because he's a terrific GM lol. He did a dumb trade and lucked out. It's a difference between being delusional and lucky and being rational and smart. Like, when Bynum's mother tells me he's gonna be great one day, it's not because of her vision of basketball.

But yeah, you do know your NBA shit, it's just that you're also a Laker-homer and blatant hater (LeBron, Nash etc), which takes away a good portion of the credit you'd receive otherwise.

When you're a shitty team you trade away your talent, they got cap space, a few prospects, and a few draft picks. If they had held on to Pau they wouldn't have been shit and dude knew that so he shipped him out. The only reason people hated that trade so much was because it made the Lakers a championship team, when in reality, rebuilding salary moves get made quite often in all sports. Nobody was crying when the Sonics gave up Ray Allen for Jeff Green and Allen helped lead Boston to a championship.
Oh i most def was. Ray Allen forever!
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: TheRemedy360Ressurection on January 06, 2012, 04:06:17 PM
LOL, who said Odom wasn't better?


buncha peeps..u were still a preteen, so i dont think u were around back then. but if u were, guaranteed u woulda been cosigning them.

Some players fall apart faster than others... Kirilenko is not that old, but nevertheless he is not nearly the player he used to be. Not everybody has the durability and consistency of Kobe & Dirk. T-Mac is younger than Bryant, yet look at his ass during the last years. Back when you said that shit, Kirilenko was playing at a higher level than Odom. And when I look at Odom right now, I puke. Odom is an abonomination right now, trust me. You proud your ass on saying Bynum was better than Amare.. don't flatter yourself. Amare has had some trouble with his knees, remember? Many niggas semi-retire after that shit. So it's all good in the hood for him.


bottom line, Bynum is a beast......the people who tried to laugh it off when i initially said it need 2 recognize.

Yeah, but you shouldn't get credit for it. Wanna know why? Because you talk a gang of shit about Laker-players. On a rare occasion, someone you blatantly talked up turns out to be good eventually. But what happened to Kwame Brown or Javaris Crittenton? You talked about them like they could be the next big things in the NBA lmao. Kinda like those niggas who act like the Pau Gasol deal the Grizzlies got from the Lakers wasn't criminal after all, just because Marc Gasol turned out to be good. Well, but noone could have seen that coming and all who claim they did are either liars or simply talked him up out of principle back then.


LMAO...dont compare, please. when did I ever say Kwame could be better than Dwight, or anything along those lines? Only thing i said bout Kwame was that he was good for our team and a great defender. Thats where it ended...never did I put Kwame in the same category as Bynum, who I KNEW could be something special. As for Crit, dude still has the tools to be a nice player, but just isn't that smart. and again, never did I claim he'd be something special, as I did with Bynum. U cannot deny my vision within the sport of basketball......as for the Grizzlies trade, it simply wasn't criminal because a.)they got cap-space to sign Zach Randolph b.)they got young players with mad potential (Marc Gasol, Javaris Crittenton...whether they panned out or not is irrelevant - they were great prospects at the time) and c.)they got TWO first round draft picks.. nothing criminal about that trade.. as u can see, it even worked in Memphis's favor......shit, I want a refund LOL.

Nigga if you want a refund, you might as well give 2 championships away too. No way those titles happen without that trade. Next, let's not get too technical about Kwame or Crittenton - bottom line is, you talked them up to something there were not. And I'd bet my house on it: If Crittenton SOMEHOW went on to be an All-Star caliber player, you would have put on your "told you so" talk. Guaranteed. Same for Kwame.

And yes the trade worked out for the Grizzlies, I don't deny this. It's just that there's no way Chris Wallace out-smarted everybody and made a good trade because he's a terrific GM lol. He did a dumb trade and lucked out. It's a difference between being delusional and lucky and being rational and smart. Like, when Bynum's mother tells me he's gonna be great one day, it's not because of her vision of basketball.

But yeah, you do know your NBA shit, it's just that you're also a Laker-homer and blatant hater (LeBron, Nash etc), which takes away a good portion of the credit you'd receive otherwise.

When you're a shitty team you trade away your talent, they got cap space, a few prospects, and a few draft picks. If they had held on to Pau they wouldn't have been shit and dude knew that so he shipped him out. The only reason people hated that trade so much was because it made the Lakers a championship team, when in reality, rebuilding salary moves get made quite often in all sports. Nobody was crying when the Sonics gave up Ray Allen for Jeff Green and Allen helped lead Boston to a championship.
Oh i most def was. Ray Allen forever!

Ha, I meant outside of the WA area. He was a key component in their title run (even broke a playoff record for 3's) and Jeff Green is a superb role player but is nowhere near the same level as Allen, but nobody bitched about the Sonics handing the Celtics a championship by making a rebuilding trade.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 06, 2012, 07:13:32 PM
still would take Amar'e Stoudemire & Al Horford over him.  Though Stoudemire is a Power Forward playing Center.  also throw Bogut into the convo.


ROFLMAO...come on, my dude
players who have played great seasons of basketball or a player who is great through 4 games with a .500 team and will most likely get injured before the all star break.


why will he most likely get injured? all of Bynum's injuries have been from freak accidents; players rolling into his knees, landing on someones foot, etc....he is not Greg Oden, so get over that notion....as for u picking Amare, Horford, and Bogut over Bynum, that's just sad...if u were a GM, u would for sure get assassinated. Bynum has all the tools of a great big...none of the other names u mentioned do. They're not even currently in the same class....just watch some Laker games, bro.
I have watched games. Amare led the Knicks to the playoffs before Melo came and fucked up the chemistry. Horford has made the playoffs every year he has played and steadily improved. They were freak injuries. but freak injuries to your legs add up especially when you are carrying a 285 LB frame. Bogut is as consistent Double/Double guy who will give you a solid 30 minutes every game. I could easily be wrong. If Bynum stays healthy and does this for the full season i will eat my words and rank him #2. but 4 games doesn't erase 3 double/double averaging seasons for bogut. or the solid increase in his 4 year career for Horford and being one of the most well rounded centers. and damn sure doesn't erase Stoudemire scoring or his 9 straight 30 point games last season or the heart shown in Stoudemire when he played with an injured back in the playoffs, not to mention his huge improvement in his mid-range game.

you are a homer own up to that.


And Horford played center in college and all 4 years in the NBA. so how in the fuck is he a power forward? because he is undersized?




LOL...u dont get it. Amare and Horford are not natural centers, they are too small to dominate at that position. Bynum is not...Bynum is a throwback, he is a rare breed of true back-to-the-basket centers...and Andrew Bogut? lmao...come on, now. Not only is Bynum MUCH better than Bogut, but Bogut is just as injury prone as Bynum, if not more. You woulda been better off sayin Marc Gasol.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: rayallen0 on January 06, 2012, 07:48:01 PM
still would take Amar'e Stoudemire & Al Horford over him.  Though Stoudemire is a Power Forward playing Center.  also throw Bogut into the convo.


ROFLMAO...come on, my dude
players who have played great seasons of basketball or a player who is great through 4 games with a .500 team and will most likely get injured before the all star break.


why will he most likely get injured? all of Bynum's injuries have been from freak accidents; players rolling into his knees, landing on someones foot, etc....he is not Greg Oden, so get over that notion....as for u picking Amare, Horford, and Bogut over Bynum, that's just sad...if u were a GM, u would for sure get assassinated. Bynum has all the tools of a great big...none of the other names u mentioned do. They're not even currently in the same class....just watch some Laker games, bro.
I have watched games. Amare led the Knicks to the playoffs before Melo came and fucked up the chemistry. Horford has made the playoffs every year he has played and steadily improved. They were freak injuries. but freak injuries to your legs add up especially when you are carrying a 285 LB frame. Bogut is as consistent Double/Double guy who will give you a solid 30 minutes every game. I could easily be wrong. If Bynum stays healthy and does this for the full season i will eat my words and rank him #2. but 4 games doesn't erase 3 double/double averaging seasons for bogut. or the solid increase in his 4 year career for Horford and being one of the most well rounded centers. and damn sure doesn't erase Stoudemire scoring or his 9 straight 30 point games last season or the heart shown in Stoudemire when he played with an injured back in the playoffs, not to mention his huge improvement in his mid-range game.

you are a homer own up to that.


And Horford played center in college and all 4 years in the NBA. so how in the fuck is he a power forward? because he is undersized?




LOL...u dont get it. Amare and Horford are not natural centers, they are too small to dominate at that position. Bynum is not...Bynum is a throwback, he is a rare breed of true back-to-the-basket centers...and Andrew Bogut? lmao...come on, now. Not only is Bynum MUCH better than Bogut, but Bogut is just as injury prone as Bynum, if not more. You woulda been better off sayin Marc Gasol.
yet they have been dominating at that position?
I like Boguts playing style and has been consisten withholding injuries. Bynum has never had a great season like Bogut did a couple years back in 09-10. I hope and would love Bynum to do great this season because It get's boring seeing Dwight never have competition. I'm just not buying into him being the 2nd coming of shaq after 4 great games.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 06, 2012, 09:29:24 PM
still would take Amar'e Stoudemire & Al Horford over him.  Though Stoudemire is a Power Forward playing Center.  also throw Bogut into the convo.


ROFLMAO...come on, my dude
players who have played great seasons of basketball or a player who is great through 4 games with a .500 team and will most likely get injured before the all star break.


why will he most likely get injured? all of Bynum's injuries have been from freak accidents; players rolling into his knees, landing on someones foot, etc....he is not Greg Oden, so get over that notion....as for u picking Amare, Horford, and Bogut over Bynum, that's just sad...if u were a GM, u would for sure get assassinated. Bynum has all the tools of a great big...none of the other names u mentioned do. They're not even currently in the same class....just watch some Laker games, bro.
I have watched games. Amare led the Knicks to the playoffs before Melo came and fucked up the chemistry. Horford has made the playoffs every year he has played and steadily improved. They were freak injuries. but freak injuries to your legs add up especially when you are carrying a 285 LB frame. Bogut is as consistent Double/Double guy who will give you a solid 30 minutes every game. I could easily be wrong. If Bynum stays healthy and does this for the full season i will eat my words and rank him #2. but 4 games doesn't erase 3 double/double averaging seasons for bogut. or the solid increase in his 4 year career for Horford and being one of the most well rounded centers. and damn sure doesn't erase Stoudemire scoring or his 9 straight 30 point games last season or the heart shown in Stoudemire when he played with an injured back in the playoffs, not to mention his huge improvement in his mid-range game.

you are a homer own up to that.


And Horford played center in college and all 4 years in the NBA. so how in the fuck is he a power forward? because he is undersized?




LOL...u dont get it. Amare and Horford are not natural centers, they are too small to dominate at that position. Bynum is not...Bynum is a throwback, he is a rare breed of true back-to-the-basket centers...and Andrew Bogut? lmao...come on, now. Not only is Bynum MUCH better than Bogut, but Bogut is just as injury prone as Bynum, if not more. You woulda been better off sayin Marc Gasol.
yet they have been dominating at that position?
I like Boguts playing style and has been consisten withholding injuries. Bynum has never had a great season like Bogut did a couple years back in 09-10. I hope and would love Bynum to do great this season because It get's boring seeing Dwight never have competition. I'm just not buying into him being the 2nd coming of shaq after 4 great games.


not the second coming of shaq...completely different playing style. he is the most traditional star center to enter this league since shaq, though.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 06, 2012, 09:34:04 PM
*Waits for Bynum to tear MCL in a week*
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: wcsoldier on January 07, 2012, 01:03:45 AM
still would take Amar'e Stoudemire & Al Horford over him.  Though Stoudemire is a Power Forward playing Center.  also throw Bogut into the convo.


ROFLMAO...come on, my dude
players who have played great seasons of basketball or a player who is great through 4 games with a .500 team and will most likely get injured before the all star break.


why will he most likely get injured? all of Bynum's injuries have been from freak accidents; players rolling into his knees, landing on someones foot, etc....he is not Greg Oden, so get over that notion....as for u picking Amare, Horford, and Bogut over Bynum, that's just sad...if u were a GM, u would for sure get assassinated. Bynum has all the tools of a great big...none of the other names u mentioned do. They're not even currently in the same class....just watch some Laker games, bro.



And Horford played center in college and all 4 years in the NBA. so how in the fuck is he a power forward? because he is undersized?


He averaged 12 shots a game last season , 4.8  of these shots were taken from 16 to 23 feet ( very efficient at it 53% made) and 1.5 of these shots from 10 to 15 feet.

More than half of his shots were taken from the mid range/long 2 areas ... this is not how a traditionnal center played ... this is today's NBA though , a good portion of players starting at C are playing out of position ...
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: TheRemedy360Ressurection on January 27, 2012, 01:12:47 AM
I like how most analysts will say that Bynum is the second best center in the league but everyone here hates on him cause Nik always gives him props. lol
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 27, 2012, 11:27:48 AM
I like how most analysts will say that Bynum is the second best center in the league but everyone here hates on him cause Nik always gives him props. lol

lol NIK was sucking the guys dick back when he was a 8 point 6 rebound a game scrub



what does that tell u? i have a great vision when it comes to basketball, and i foresaw what he would become....
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 27, 2012, 11:42:06 AM
I like how most analysts will say that Bynum is the second best center in the league but everyone here hates on him cause Nik always gives him props. lol

lol NIK was sucking the guys dick back when he was a 8 point 6 rebound a game scrub



what does that tell u? i have a great vision when it comes to basketball, and i foresaw what he would become....

you want me to give u props to claiming he was better than HOward and being completely wrong about it for 3 straight years?  you're still wrong abut it LOL


show me when i said he was better than howard......what i said was that he had the tools and potential to be better. not my fault if u cant grasp simple concepts.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: LooN3y on January 27, 2012, 05:13:20 PM
one things for damn sure, drew needs to dish it out when doubled rather than just throwing it up. he aint kobe and damn well he aint no shaq.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Chamillitary Click on January 27, 2012, 05:16:16 PM
Yeah, you have a great eye for talent. I recall Jordan Famar being "the future of the NBA" lmao. You lose credibility when you're that wrong about a guy.

& we all said Bynum would be good if he was healthy, you just said his potential alone made him more valuable than Howard.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 27, 2012, 05:51:59 PM
Yeah, you have a great eye for talent. I recall Jordan Famar being "the future of the NBA" lmao. You lose credibility when you're that wrong about a guy.

& we all said Bynum would be good if he was healthy, you just said his potential alone made him more valuable than Howard.


never said farmar was the future of the nba, young biebs...he was on my team at Taft High and i was hypin him before any1 even knew who he was, but lol@"future of the NBA"
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 27, 2012, 05:54:09 PM
Yeah, you have a great eye for talent. I recall Jordan Famar being "the future of the NBA" lmao. You lose credibility when you're that wrong about a guy.

& we all said Bynum would be good if he was healthy, you just said his potential alone made him more valuable than Howard.

he once posted that JORDAN FARMER was going to his high school lmao


yea...because we just called him Jordan. nobody was lookin up his damn stats on the internet back n those days, he was just Jordan.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: LooN3y on January 27, 2012, 06:43:36 PM
Yeah, you have a great eye for talent. I recall Jordan Famar being "the future of the NBA" lmao. You lose credibility when you're that wrong about a guy.

& we all said Bynum would be good if he was healthy, you just said his potential alone made him more valuable than Howard.

he once posted that JORDAN FARMER was going to his high school lmao




he did go to taft, dude was crazy, he had a gang of hype (in the valley) he'd be scoring a gang of points and hitting half court shots that slipped in like butter.

i remember arenas when he was going to cleveland also (another high school in the valley) dude was nuts, was it arenas who farmar helped with his grades? or was it another player,

theres another player from the valley but i can't put my finger on it at the moment.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 27, 2012, 07:56:20 PM
Yeah, you have a great eye for talent. I recall Jordan Famar being "the future of the NBA" lmao. You lose credibility when you're that wrong about a guy.

& we all said Bynum would be good if he was healthy, you just said his potential alone made him more valuable than Howard.

he once posted that JORDAN FARMER was going to his high school lmao




he did go to taft, dude was crazy, he had a gang of hype (in the valley) he'd be scoring a gang of points and hitting half court shots that slipped in like butter.

i remember arenas when he was going to cleveland also (another high school in the valley) dude was nuts, was it arenas who farmar helped with his grades? or was it another player,

theres another player from the valley but i can't put my finger on it at the moment.


Arenas went to grant .. Nick young went to cleveland
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: Sccit on January 27, 2012, 10:08:01 PM
Yeah, you have a great eye for talent. I recall Jordan Famar being "the future of the NBA" lmao. You lose credibility when you're that wrong about a guy.

& we all said Bynum would be good if he was healthy, you just said his potential alone made him more valuable than Howard.

he once posted that JORDAN FARMER was going to his high school lmao

yea...because we just called him Jordan. nobody was lookin up his damn stats on the internet back n those days, he was just Jordan.

you didnt know his last name was not farmER lol


naah, we never spelled it out...like i said, we just called him Jordan. sometimes, coach would call him by his last name, but everyone at Taft pronounced it "Farmer", so i assumed it was spelled that way.
Title: Re: so is Andrew Bynum still better than Dwight Howard and Amare Stoudemire??
Post by: LooN3y on January 27, 2012, 10:13:01 PM
Yeah, you have a great eye for talent. I recall Jordan Famar being "the future of the NBA" lmao. You lose credibility when you're that wrong about a guy.

& we all said Bynum would be good if he was healthy, you just said his potential alone made him more valuable than Howard.

he once posted that JORDAN FARMER was going to his high school lmao




he did go to taft, dude was crazy, he had a gang of hype (in the valley) he'd be scoring a gang of points and hitting half court shots that slipped in like butter.

i remember arenas when he was going to cleveland also (another high school in the valley) dude was nuts, was it arenas who farmar helped with his grades? or was it another player,

theres another player from the valley but i can't put my finger on it at the moment.


Arenas went to grant .. Nick young went to cleveland

Oh yea lol farmar, he helped nick young graduate or some shit I remember