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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: GangstaBoogy on February 05, 2008, 04:10:49 PM
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LMAO damn I guess we really shook up the Suns. But I don't know why they'd trade Marion for Shaq, that'd just make it easier for us to beat them.
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???
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:yikes:
Good Trade if True, WoW! Both teams will Defo Improve.
Wade get's Some scoring help & Nash get's an Inside pressence.
Holly shit, Laker's Shook The entire league with Their deal..
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w...w...WHAT????
that would be fucking crazy
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no way that trade happens as is. it doesnt make sense for PHX at all from a talent or a money standpoint
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damn that shiet is crazy. i know marion is unhappy in PHX and probly wants out, so it could make sense to move him before he tries to leave on his own. shaq and amare together would be sicc.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3232862
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shaq's contract must be alot larger than Marion's right?
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Two overrated players IMO
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I don't see it happening. Suns passed on KG this summer, he plays with so much passion and is a MVP candidate. Why would they want 35 year old broken down center?
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shaq's contract must be alot larger than Marion's right?
Not by as much as you would think. The reported deal is Shawn Marion + Marcus Banks for Shaq. But Dallas is interested too.
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I don't see it happening. Suns passed on KG this summer, he plays with so much passion and is a MVP candidate. Why would they want 35 year old broken down center?
Especially with the kind of offense they run. Shaq would be lagging behind in every play.
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Excellent... that slows down their offense and gets rid of the pesky Marion at the same time. Hopefully it goes through.
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I don't see it happening. Suns passed on KG this summer, he plays with so much passion and is a MVP candidate. Why would they want 35 year old broken down center?
Suns didn't pass on KG, they just wanted Marion+Barbosa and then some...This trade makes no sense for Phoenix. They wont even get 40 games a year out of Shaq at this stage and he doesn't even fit into their offense to begin with. If this goes down, the Heat might have pulled a bigger steal than the Lakers.
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IF this is legit (and 90% of the NBA trade rumors aren't), I really don't get this. Doesn't Marion make like $14M / yr? When does that contract expire? Shaq's on the hook for $20M for the next, what 2 years?
He totally doesn't fit PHX's system, and even if they put him out there he might have a seizure from all the running. Marion is a decent player, but of course playing in PHX pads his stats. He should be happy to be here. Maybe PHX really believes that Shaq has been injured and still has something in the tank?
I just don't see this working for PHX, but I admit it'd be interesting watching these 2 teams go head up if Shaq were in the mix.
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I am going to play Devil's Advocate because I am bored, but for the record I don't think this trade will work.
The main reason Phoenix is even entertaining this trade is for a couple reasons. The Amare posing as a center idea is played out. The only way he is going to be effective is if you move him to PF. He is not a good defender and picks up fouls too easy.
Phoenix is starting to realize when the game is tight, they need to have some half court sets. That is what's killing them along with having no inside presence in the 4th quarter.
Now I don't think if they got Shaq they want him playing alot of minutes. Just more or less for him to be ready come the 4th quarter to be a presence inside to get rebounds and alter shots.
Now back to reality, Shaq is 35, injury prone and Phoenix would have to change their plays to accomodate him. Don't see it happening. A Kwame Brown type player or Kwame peferrably would fit better in their system. I don't know why Brian Skinner does not get more minutes.
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if this goes through, ill be excited to watch MIA again. d-wade and marion would be dope together.
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LOL apparently theyre just waiting for Shaq to pass a physical...PHX is horrible for that, unless they plan on waiting til Shaq is a 20 mil expiring to use as a trading chip for a stud
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Marion is just retarded...Dude can't stop bitching and is supposedly destroying the chemistry in the locker room.
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FUCK, i don't like this for 2 obvious reasons.
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aparentally it's actually going down, a lot of words are coming to mind but all that comes out is Phoniex you guys are fucking retards
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Suns, Heat agree to Shaq trade
No longer confident they can win a championship with their current roster, the Phoenix Suns are close to completing a blockbuster trade that will bring them Shaquille O'Neal, a source with knowledge of the negotiations said Tuesday.
O'Neal is scheduled to travel to Phoenix aboard a private plane Wednesday, the source said, to undergo an MRI on his ailing left hip. If he passes the physical, the Suns will complete the trade by sending Shawn Marion and Marcus Banks to the Miami Heat.
The Miami Herald first reported the Suns and Heat were in serious trade discussions involving O'Neal.
Frustrated by Miami's dramatic dropoff this season – the Heat own the NBA's worst record at 9-37 – O'Neal had begun telling teammates he wanted to be traded but never thought a deal would come to fruition, a Heat source said.
The trade represents a dramatic change for the Suns, whose run-and-gun, small-ball style had revolutionized the league in recent seasons. That same style, however, had failed to bring the Suns a championship, and team officials had become increasingly skeptical about their chances of contending without giving Amare Stoudemire some help on the front line.
While praising recent improvement in Stoudemire's defense last week, Suns general manager Steve Kerr said the team still was doing Stoudemire a "disservice" by playing him at center instead of his more natural power forward position.
While last week's loss to a San Antonio team that was missing Tony Parker again raised some doubts, it was the Lakers' acquisition of Memphis forward Pau Gasol on Friday that ultimately spurred the Suns to consider aggressively looking for another big man. League sources said the Suns also had conversations about Charlotte's Emeka Okafor and Philadelphia's Samuel Dalembert in recent days.
O'Neal, 35, still is a physical presence but seems a poor fit for Mike D'Antoni's up-tempo offense. Suns coaches, however, watched film of O'Neal on Tuesday, the source said, and came away thinking O'Neal's strong passing skills from the high post would work well in their half-court schemes. The Suns also have shown increasingly more confidence in playing forward Boris Diaw next to Stoudemire and think that combination will suffice when O'Neal isn't on the floor.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AmfCEdbEs3rUmeVyU.UKK8OC0bYF?slug=jy-shaqdeal020508&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
I just don't get it.
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they aint as dumb for doing it if yall really think about it. marion has made it clear he aint happy there no more after being on the tradin bloc last year and cuzz's numbers have fallen below his career averages. plus we all know amare aint no center, so maybe this move can energize shaq,since phx is a title contender and they obviously aint been able to win the last few years WITH marion, so might as well try something new before their time passes (like the blazers and kings during the laker 3 peat era)...they aint got much to lose, since most niggas was sayin they already fallin outta the top contender spots anyway...might as well go for broke. as a shaq fan i'd like to see this shiet.
and this nigga marion makes a lot of money and wants outta phx anyway. chec this shiet from espn:
"Marion asked to be traded before the season began, but has avoided talk of the subject since. He is set to make $17 million next season, the final year of his contract, but can opt out of the deal and become a free agent."
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It's done...and so is Phoenix.
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FUCK, i don't like this for 2 obvious reasons.
Because now you have to root for the Suns over the Lakers?
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LOL. Thanks for making the Western Conference a little bit easier, Phionex. :D
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The Suns got scared of that Gasol trade quick.
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i realize PHX wanted to at least get something out of Marion before he opts out but damn,there were no other deals available? Its a win for Shaq though and who knows maybe like someone else said it might re-energize him.
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FUCK, i don't like this for 2 obvious reasons.
Because now you have to root for the Suns over the Lakers?
1. because my favorite player is on my least favorite team after the spurs
2. because i'm fucking TIRED of the whole Shaq VS Kobe thing....it's bad enough 2 times a year, now we get 4 times, plus a potentional 7 more. i'd rather see Tyson and Holyfield again.
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or how about bowe vs holyfield 42?
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FUCK, i don't like this for 2 obvious reasons.
Because now you have to root for the Suns over the Lakers?
1. because my favorite player is on my least favorite team after the spurs
2. because i'm fucking TIRED of the whole Shaq VS Kobe thing....it's bad enough 2 times a year, now we get 4 times, plus a potentional 7 more. i'd rather see Tyson and Holyfield again.
Where have you been? The Shaq vs. Kobe shit died almost 2 years ago. LOL.
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It would be more like Shaq v. Bynum now. Or at least Shaq v. Bynum for 10-12 minutes per game.
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I agree with this... makes no sense.
Shaq trade just wouldn't add up for Suns
By John Hollinger
ESPN Insider
The Phoenix Suns have the best record in the Western Conference, a game and a half ahead of their closest rival. They have the best scoring margin in the conference. They're 8-2 in their past 10 games (while outscoring opponents by nine points per game). And the Suns have a slew of home games coming up because their early schedule was so road-heavy.
In other words, after 48 games they're in as good a position as they've ever been in to win their first conference title since Sir Charles and KJ did it 15 years ago.
And their solution? Blow it up!
The Suns are reportedly in negotiations to trade Shawn Marion -- a man everyone agrees is a vital cog in their attack because of his ability to run opponents into submission from the power forward spot -- for Shaquille O'Neal. (The Suns would include Marcus Banks.)
Good call. Clearly this Nash-Marion-Stoudamire nucleus isn't working out; they've won only 62 and 61 games the two years they were together. This year they were on pace for a meager 58, so I guess they thought it had run its course.
My first reaction to hearing reports about this deal was that I was being Punk'd. After that, I checked the calendar to make sure it wasn't April 1, and verified that the voice on the other end of the phone didn't belong to Orson Welles.
But there was no Ashton Kutcher, no Orson Welles, and the calendar says it's February.
Believe it or not, this is a real, live trade discussion that might actually happen. I'm not sure I've adequately conveyed my shock at this development, but suffice it to say nobody I've talked to finds it even remotely sensible.
Shaq may be the one player who is least capable of thriving in the Suns' system. Run the break? No, thank you. Set a high screen and dive to the cup? Maybe 10 years ago. Space the floor for 3s? Please.
He's 35 and out of shape; at the moment he's also hurt. Even when healthy, he's had difficulty staying out of foul trouble long enough to make an impact. While I'll grant that Shaq can still be an offensive force -- even with his struggles this year his PER is a very solid 18.17 -- he's toasted regularly on defense. And if you thought Marion complained about not getting shots, you ain't heard nothing yet.
Even if you subscribe to the idea that Marion had to go -- there have been mutterings about his attitude for quite a while -- you can't seriously tell me this was the best deal on the table.
While matching his $17 million contract is difficult, the fact that there's only a year and a half left on it means there are partners out there. Just thinking out loud, for instance, you'd think New Jersey would have taken Marion in a heartbeat for Vince Carter or Richard Jefferson, and the Andrei Kirilenko deal that was so heavily discussed before the season also would seem preferable.
Marion, by the way, hadn't let his dissatisfaction and his own offseason trade demand affect his play. His 20.25 PER nearly matches last year's 20.87, and he's made up for a reduction in shots by cutting his turnovers and increasing his assists.
But despite his performance they're trading him for an older, less effective player, and one who could not be more of a square peg in a round hole in their system.
And get this -- the deal will worsen their cap situation, too. Shaq is on the books for two years after this one at $20 million a pop, whereas Marion only has one year left at less money, and may opt out after this season. So in addition to messing up their own team, the Suns will be basically handing Pat Riley a big fat Get Out of Jail Free card.
In short, this deal feels like one of these movie scenes where the lead character has a plan and says, "It's crazy ... but it just might work!"
I'm not sure about the working part, but it's definitely crazy. I'm praying this trade doesn't really happen, because the Suns have been too entertaining for too long to screw up their title chances like this.
John Hollinger writes for ESPN Insider.
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=ShaqSuns080206&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dhollinger_john%26page%3dShaqSuns080206
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But think about this...All teams have to do is slow down the Suns to beat them, make them run their half court offense. When this happens, Suns can counter w/ Shaq down low. I don't see him getting much PT when they're runnin and gunnin.
I think a change of scenery, getting away from his divorce bullshit, getting in shape, resting his injuries, and playing for a contender in the west - Shaq could potentially go 20/10 when they hit playoff time. Shaq has no shooters in Miami, but PHX? They can shoot. They will spread the floor for him. Shaq will still command a double.
Not saying it will def happen, but yall have to admit regardless, shit will be interesting.
Without a big man, The Lakers were going to kill the Suns. Now it won't be as easy.
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Its gonna be interesting to see how Shaq fits in with the Suns. Could be great or terrible. We'll have to wait and see. I hope they rest him up till hes 100% healthy tho. If thats possible?
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I'm Going to have to disagree with all Of You And Say The Suns have Just made a Great Move.
They shake A Player in Marion Who Don't Want To be There And gain A championship Ready veteran in Shaq
Who Defo Knows How To Win And can Offer the "Almost There" Sun's a spark, That In Turn could
also Jumpstart The Desiel.
+ Shaq's pressence alone will only free up everyone else with him simply on the court.
which will in turn free Shaq up and he will be getting some of the easiest baskets in his life. (IMO, he don't even need to run)
Nash Will Sppon feed O'Neal on The Inside. Let's not forget Shaq's passing Ability...
+ Twin Towers With O'Neal And Stoudemire..
Great Move For Phoenix.
How many games do We have against them Left?
The Second half of the season is gonna be even better in The West.
East keep getting weaker.
My Reasons This Trade is...
#1. Being a Shaq fan it Suck's To See a legend like O'neal Being Moved again
#2. It Suck's We Will have To face Him More Than twice A Season Now!
#3. Great Move for Miami, Now D.Wade Has a Robin to his Batman, let's see how the Cape Fit's D.Wade. (It's Shaq Size)
#4. (Proves )The Laker's Have Earthquaked The entire League, Even The Announcer's are Blowing Them Now (ESPN..ect)
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I don't see it happening. Suns passed on KG this summer, he plays with so much passion and is a MVP candidate. Why would they want 35 year old broken down center?
Suns didn't pass on KG, they just wanted Marion+Barbosa and then some...This trade makes no sense for Phoenix. They wont even get 40 games a year out of Shaq at this stage and he doesn't even fit into their offense to begin with. If this goes down, the Heat might have pulled a bigger steal than the Lakers.
The Suns had Garnett for the taking. Minnesota wanted Amare in the trade package because of Marion threatening to opt-out of his contract(remember it was three team deal), if traded to Boston. Kerr decided to stick with a guy who at the age of 24, has undergone knee surgery twice and is a liability on the defensive end. Absolutely inexcusable.
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I don't understand this at all. The Suns are the team with the broke GM who would SELL first round picks. LOL. How is he willing to trade for Shaq, who keeps making 20 mil for years. Money can't be the reason for this trade. Next, how does it make sense from a playing point of view. Shaq is WAY too slow for their run-run-run offense. LOL. He's declining as fuck, LOL@Shaq in 2 years. WTF
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Anyone listen to Jim Rome this morning?
"Shaq isn't motivated and he isn't hungry...Well, he is hungry...he's always hungry"
LMAO.
I didn't realize Steve Kerr was this retarded.
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Without a big man, The Lakers were going to kill the Suns.
LOL...why weren't you saying this before? Seriously, Phoenix couldn't have picked a worse player to add into their system. Shaq takes so long to get down the court that the opposing teams will be able to play 4 on 5. It will be interesting, but in a sad way. And don't forget, Shaq is the one who said Nash doesn't deserve those MVPS. :-X
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That's fuckin' stupid.
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I'm Going to have to disagree with all Of You And Say The Suns have Just made a Great Move.
They shake A Player in Marion Who Don't Want To be There And gain A championship Ready veteran in Shaq
Who Defo Knows How To Win And can Offer the "Almost There" Sun's a spark, That In Turn could
also Jumpstart The Desiel.
+ Shaq's pressence alone will only free up everyone else with him simply on the court.
which will in turn free Shaq up and he will be getting some of the easiest baskets in his life. (IMO, he don't even need to run)
Nash Will Sppon feed O'Neal on The Inside. Let's not forget Shaq's passing Ability...
+ Twin Towers With O'Neal And Stoudemire..
Great Move For Phoenix.
How many games do We have against them Left?
The Second half of the season is gonna be even better in The West.
East keep getting weaker.
My Reasons This Trade is...
#1. Being a Shaq fan it Suck's To See a legend like O'neal Being Moved again
#2. It Suck's We Will have To face Him More Than twice A Season Now!
#3. Great Move for Miami, Now D.Wade Has a Robin to his Batman, let's see how the Cape Fit's D.Wade. (It's Shaq Size)
#4. (Proves )The Laker's Have Earthquaked The entire League, Even The Announcer's are Blowing Them Now (ESPN..ect)
How is the east getting weaker if this is a great move for Miami?...Shaq is done, man. And even if he wasn't done, this is the worst fit for Phoenix's system. Seriously, what kinda shit is this? They're gunna alter their offense that they swore could win a championship (while I knew it would never work) for a 36 year old broken down diesel? Come on, now...Phoenix just made the whole western conference extremely fuckin happy...PeACe
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I don't see it happening. Suns passed on KG this summer, he plays with so much passion and is a MVP candidate. Why would they want 35 year old broken down center?
Suns didn't pass on KG, they just wanted Marion+Barbosa and then some...This trade makes no sense for Phoenix. They wont even get 40 games a year out of Shaq at this stage and he doesn't even fit into their offense to begin with. If this goes down, the Heat might have pulled a bigger steal than the Lakers.
The Suns had Garnett for the taking. Minnesota wanted Amare in the trade package because of Marion threatening to opt-out of his contract(remember it was three team deal), if traded to Boston. Kerr decided to stick with a guy who at the age of 24, has undergone knee surgery twice and is a liability on the defensive end. Absolutely inexcusable.
That's right...they wanted Amare in the deal too. Forgot about that. It was something like Marion+Amare+Barbosa for KG, which woulda been WAY better than this trade.
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hahaha @ the jew postin in here like 40 times with nothin but hate for the suns. the trade hasnt even happened yet and nobody has seen shaq with the suns and jewboy is already sayin its a horrible trade that wont work. what a hater. sounds exactly like the lil shiet the paleface was bitchin about with the gasol trade, and after just one game against the weac nets he crowned it the greatest trade ever. picc and choose hypocrite. 8)
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I want to see Shaq and the Suns win the whole thing and beat the Lakers on the way just to read NIK's posts for the weeks after it happens.
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I want to see Shaq and the Suns win the whole thing and beat the Lakers on the way just to read NIK's posts for the weeks after it happens.
Every person who is not a fan of the Lakers would think so, the bad part is that there are very slim chances... The Shaq-Version of the Suns has no real chance of beating the Lakers when Bynum, Gasol, Odom and Kobe are playing. :-\
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hahaha @ the jew postin in here like 40 times with nothin but hate for the suns. the trade hasnt even happened yet and nobody has seen shaq with the suns and jewboy is already sayin its a horrible trade that wont work. what a hater. sounds exactly like the lil shiet the paleface was bitchin about with the gasol trade, and after just one game against the weac nets he crowned it the greatest trade ever. picc and choose hypocrite. 8)
You're a fucking moron. STOP POSTING.
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I want to see Shaq and the Suns win the whole thing and beat the Lakers on the way just to read NIK's posts for the weeks after it happens.
Every person who is not a fan of the Lakers would think so, the bad part is that there are very slim chances... The Shaq-Version of the Suns has no real chance of beating the Lakers when Bynum, Gasol, Odom and Kobe are playing. :-\
Seriously...The whole sports world is currently thinking the exact same thing as me.
LMAO@comparing the Gasol trade to the Shaq trade...you have to be one dumbass person. :-X
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WOW i don't get this AT ALL from the suns point of view :-\ :-\ :-\
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Excellent... that slows down their offense and gets rid of the pesky Marion at the same time. Hopefully it goes through.
thats what im thinking
this trade is either going to make them better in the sense that Shaq can regain his form from a year or two ago and they would be able to compete with teams down low and shit
or shaq will clog up the lanes and phoenix will go downhill.
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Shaq Gonna make Alot of people :-X
He's Got The Motivation it takes to Win Now!!
This Trade gonna put The Suns Over The Hump This SEASON
And they will be ready For The Playoffs this Year.
A Healthy O'Neal is still a Top 5 Center in This league. (IMO)
All The critic's and Hater's making it sound like Shaq is just propped in the corner and can't move..lol
Let's see what happen's, I'll be the first to admit the deal was wack when I see them play..
but until then I say there is no way a "GOOD" Team with Shaq can get worse.
(Don't include Miami cause they Had 0 Player's besides Wade)
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A Healthy O'Neal is still a Top 5 Center in This league.
LOL! A healthy O'Neal will give you about 25 mins a game, buddy.
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Man this is great! The Suns traded away their leading rebounder / best defender for a 35 year old center who will play about 65 games at best. He's nothing more than a liability, he's slow, he's a cancer...and get this...they want him for DEFENSE. LMAO.
I hope the Suns play Utah in the first round. They would lose cuz Deron Williams and Carlos Boozer would PnR them to death.
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Man this is great! The Suns traded away their leading rebounder / best defender for a 35 year old center who will play about 65 games at best. He's nothing more than a liability, he's slow, he's a cancer...and get this...they want him for DEFENSE. LMAO.
I hope the Suns play Utah in the first round. They would lose cuz Deron Williams and Carlos Boozer would PnR them to death.
Even Golden State would run over them now.
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Bottomline The Run & Gun Style the Suns use, was not ever gonna get them to the Big Dance.
That's The reason for their change, That Style just cannot matchup Vs. any team With Inside presence in aSeries.
(In a one game Regualr season, the Suns beat Any Team, In a series Nahh!)
And Having 2 Seven foot Trees Even if They are "Clogging" the inside will create more outside for the Shooters.
And Make the driving lane less appealing. (Even if A.S. Defence is wack, And Shaq is "Old" )
The Sun's Put Their Balls on The table.
They Pretty Much admitted That The "Run & Gun" was not enough For The Playoffs.
So They made a Move.
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Bottomline The Run & Gun Style the Suns use, was not ever gonna get them to the Big Dance.
That's The reason for their change, That Style just cannot matchup Vs. any team With Inside presence in aSeries.
(In a one game Regualr season, the Suns beat Any Team, In a series Nahh!)
And Having 2 Seven foot Trees Even if They are "Clogging" the inside will create more outside for the Shooters.
And Make the driving lane less appealing. (Even if A.S. Defence is wack, And Shaq is "Old" )
The Sun's Put Their Balls on The table.
They Pretty Much admitted That The "Run & Gun" was not enough For The Playoffs.
So They made a Move.
The Suns are built for run-n-gun...they will never win a championship with it, but you don't drastically alter your system for a fat, out of shape player who is way past his prime and can't play more than 50 games a season. This shit is ridiculous. I know you like Shaq, but you gotta see how this trade is terrible, dawg...PeACe
PS...Amare is 6'9" (not a 7 footer).
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Bottomline The Run & Gun Style the Suns use, was not ever gonna get them to the Big Dance.
That's The reason for their change, That Style just cannot matchup Vs. any team With Inside presence in aSeries.
(In a one game Regualr season, the Suns beat Any Team, In a series Nahh!)
And Having 2 Seven foot Trees Even if They are "Clogging" the inside will create more outside for the Shooters.
And Make the driving lane less appealing. (Even if A.S. Defence is wack, And Shaq is "Old" )
The Sun's Put Their Balls on The table.
They Pretty Much admitted That The "Run & Gun" was not enough For The Playoffs.
So They made a Move.
The Suns are built for run-n-gun...they will never win a championship with it, but you don't drastically alter your system for a fat, out of shape player who is way past his prime and can't play more than 50 games a season. This shit is ridiculous. I know you like Shaq, but you gotta see how this trade is terrible, dawg...PeACe
PS...Amare is 6'9" (not a 7 footer).
Agreed on Shaq now not fitting in their system but I think the Suns are looking for more inside help in the 4th Quarter. In the playoffs with close games they get killed in the half court sets by your San Antonio's, Lakers (but they can play any tempo they want), etc. I'm thinking they think if they can just limit Shaq's minutes so he can play a good portion of the 4th, then they can run a couple half courts plays and execute enough to finish ball games. But they should have done that KG deal when it was in place.
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Bottomline The Run & Gun Style the Suns use, was not ever gonna get them to the Big Dance.
That's The reason for their change, That Style just cannot matchup Vs. any team With Inside presence in aSeries.
(In a one game Regualr season, the Suns beat Any Team, In a series Nahh!)
And Having 2 Seven foot Trees Even if They are "Clogging" the inside will create more outside for the Shooters.
And Make the driving lane less appealing. (Even if A.S. Defence is wack, And Shaq is "Old" )
The Sun's Put Their Balls on The table.
They Pretty Much admitted That The "Run & Gun" was not enough For The Playoffs.
So They made a Move.
Stoudemire is 6'10. And even if he was 7'0 dude is still soft. If I was a slasher I'd drive into the paint all night if the defensive anchors were fuckin Shaq and Stoudemire.
And LMMFAO @ Shaq being a top 5 center in the NBA. Dude isn't even a top 5 center in the Western Conference.
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FUCK, i don't like this for 2 obvious reasons.
Because now you have to root for the Suns over the Lakers?
1. because my favorite player is on my least favorite team after the spurs
2. because i'm fucking TIRED of the whole Shaq VS Kobe thing....it's bad enough 2 times a year, now we get 4 times, plus a potentional 7 more. i'd rather see Tyson and Holyfield again.
Where have you been? The Shaq vs. Kobe shit died almost 2 years ago. LOL.
it's still talked about. and i have a feeling it will come up more seeing how they'll play more.
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Is this pathetic trade actually in the books now?
The great part about is the rivalry between the Lakers and the Suns. Now when the Suns even have Shaq, the most hated person in LA, it's gonna be soooo much fun if they actually meet in the playoffs.
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Is this pathetic trade actually in the books now?
Unless Shaq fails his physical, yes.
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I want to see Shaq and the Suns win the whole thing and beat the Lakers on the way just to read NIK's posts for the weeks after it happens.
Every person who is not a fan of the Lakers would think so, the bad part is that there are very slim chances... The Shaq-Version of the Suns has no real chance of beating the Lakers when Bynum, Gasol, Odom and Kobe are playing. :-\
I never said the Suns would win. I just want them to, only because I want read NIK's posts on the matter.
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^Don't be paranoid. I wasn't correcting you lol.
Damn I wonder how this will affect Marion's numbers. He's my fantasy nigga. He should definitely get more rebounds now.
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It's official.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3234099 (http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=3234099)
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ESPN Breaking News: Shaq traded to Suns for Marion & Banks.
Its officially official.
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I want to see Shaq and the Suns win the whole thing and beat the Lakers on the way just to read NIK's posts for the weeks after it happens.
Every person who is not a fan of the Lakers would think so, the bad part is that there are very slim chances... The Shaq-Version of the Suns has no real chance of beating the Lakers when Bynum, Gasol, Odom and Kobe are playing. :-\
I never said the Suns would win. I just want them to, only because I want read NIK's posts on the matter.
We all know you want them to...but it's a matter of whether you think it's really a possibility or not.
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^Don't be paranoid. I wasn't correcting you lol.
Damn I wonder how this will affect Marion's numbers. He's my fantasy nigga. He should definitely get more rebounds now.
Marion's stats will most likely go down without Phoenix's system.
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Suns trading for Shaq makes almost no sense
Suns trading for Shaq makes almost no sense
By Stan McNeal - SportingNews
When I first heard about the Shaq to the Suns rumors Tuesday, I blew them off as so ridiculous they didn't warrant a comment.
Then I thought about them and talked to a couple of folks. Still didn't make any sense. Well, it sure looks like the deal makes sense to the folks who count in Phoenix and Miami. Now I can see how they make a ton of sense for the Heat, but not for the Suns.
There are 40 million reasons to begin with. That's the $20 million Shaq is owed next season and the $20 million he's owed the season after. The Suns, remember, gave Kurt Thomas away last summer because of financial concerns. Thomas makes $8 million and is due to become an unrestricted free agent this summer. So all of a sudden, the Suns are willing to take on Shaq's contract? I know Shawn Marion makes a bunch, too, but if he's as unhappy as advertised, he could opt out of his $17.1 million deal this summer (highly unlikely, says one exec). If he didn't opt out, his salary still would come off the books a year before Shaq's.
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Then there's the state of Shaq. His game has slipped, he's had trouble staying healthy and he'll be 36 next month. And you're going to owe him $40 million for two more seasons.
There's the basketball: Does this mean Mike D'Antoni is giving up on his running offense? When I talked to D'Antoni and GM Steve Kerr two weeks ago, they were as determined as ever that D'Antoni's style can win the championship. Kerr mentioned how the rule changes -- which allow way more contact inside than on the perimeter -- plays right into the strength of the Suns' 3-point attack. Maybe they still can run with Shaq, but don't look for him to be filling the role of Marion breaking away for dunks.
So far, I'm not seeing what the Suns are seeing. But let's look at this from Kerr's perspective:
He's got an allegedly unhappy star in Marion that he can trade for arguably the greatest big man of the past 20 years. You'd do that, too.
Kerr believes Shaq will solidify the Suns' defense because Stoudemire can move to his natural position of power forward and Shaq can man the middle. This makes sense if Shaq can stay out of foul trouble and he buys into being a defensive stud who gets 10 shots a game. Iffy yes, but Kerr must think it's doable.
Trading for Shaq counters the Lakers' move for Pau Gasol. If Shaq's with the Suns, they can use him to defend Andrew Bynum and Stoudemire can guard Gasol. Size-size at least, these are better matchups for the Suns than Stoudemire on Bynum and Marion on Gasol. Still, making a trade to match up better against one team isn't typical business, especially when the Lakers aren't even the favorites to win the conference. That would be the Spurs and Shaq can't defend Tim Duncan any better than Stoudemire can.
This allows Kerr to unload Marcus Banks, who has had more down times than up this season. Banks is owed more than $13 million over the next three seasons so the Suns are getting rid of a troublesome contract.
Of course, it's not nearly as troublesome as Shaq's will turn out to be.
Stan McNeal is a writer for Sporting News. E-mail him at smcneal@sportingnews.com.
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Watch out.....The NBA trade floodgates have been open!!! Thanks LA... Who's next J-Kidd? Or maybe T-Mac?
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I want to see Shaq and the Suns win the whole thing and beat the Lakers on the way just to read NIK's posts for the weeks after it happens.
Every person who is not a fan of the Lakers would think so, the bad part is that there are very slim chances... The Shaq-Version of the Suns has no real chance of beating the Lakers when Bynum, Gasol, Odom and Kobe are playing. :-\
I never said the Suns would win. I just want them to, only because I want read NIK's posts on the matter.
We all know you want them to...but it's a matter of whether you think it's really a possibility or not.
Giants beat the Packers. Most people thought that wasn't possible. Didn't you even scoff at the idea? Anything is possible. Fuck it. I got my iants by 3 prediction right last week so I'm gonna make another one. Suns go further in the playoffs than the Lakers this year. Quote me on that when it's all over win or lose.
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shaqs going to allow amare to slide down to his natural PF position... and now that shaq wanted to be traded he has no choice but to get his ass in shape especially with the type of tempo the suns have
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I want to see Shaq and the Suns win the whole thing and beat the Lakers on the way just to read NIK's posts for the weeks after it happens.
Every person who is not a fan of the Lakers would think so, the bad part is that there are very slim chances... The Shaq-Version of the Suns has no real chance of beating the Lakers when Bynum, Gasol, Odom and Kobe are playing. :-\
I never said the Suns would win. I just want them to, only because I want read NIK's posts on the matter.
We all know you want them to...but it's a matter of whether you think it's really a possibility or not.
Giants beat the Packers. Most people thought that wasn't possible. Didn't you even scoff at the idea? Anything is possible. Fuck it. I got my iants by 3 prediction right last week so I'm gonna make another one. Suns go further in the playoffs than the Lakers this year. Quote me on that when it's all over win or lose.
Yea, but the difference is, you're not saying that because you believe it's gunna happen, you're saying that because that's what you want to happen.
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honestly
im not going to knock this move until i see atleast 5-10 games with Shaq.
even then, the playoffs are diff from the regular season. shit gets slowed down and Shaq would fit in better.
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honestly
im not going to knock this move until i see atleast 5-10 games with Shaq.
even then, the playoffs are diff from the regular season. shit gets slowed down and Shaq would fit in better.
yeah anyone who says its gonna be crap without watchin the games first is just a hater. i guess watchin the suns completely own your team year after year and send them home paccin in the first round will make a lot of suns haters. too many haters here.
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Yea...We're haters for thinking Shaq isn't a fit in Phoenix's offense. We're haters for saying it's stupid to drastically alter your offense for a 36 fat guy who's at the end of his career. We're haters for saying Shaq's payroll is ludicrous. We're haters for saying Shaq is out of shape and way past his prime. We're haters for thinking the deal makes no sense. ::)
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=adande_ja&page=Suns-080206
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news;_ylt=AgGjhrAFCVgMUZmubM4dT3w5nYcB?slug=aw-shaqtrade020608&prov=yhoo&type=lgns
http://deadspin.com/353180/trying-to-figure-out-that-crazy-shaq+suns-trade
http://insider.espn.go.com/nba/insider/columns/story?columnist=hollinger_john&page=ShaqSuns080206&action=login&appRedirect=http%3a%2f%2finsider.espn.go.com%2fnba%2finsider%2fcolumns%2fstory%3fcolumnist%3dhollinger_john%26page%3dShaqSuns080206
http://www.yardbarker.com/nba/articles/Dear_Shaq_Please_Stay_The_Hell_Away_From_Phoenix/128350
Looks like everyone in the basketball world is a hater.
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it must suck being a hater and bitter that phx owns your team. plus your a filthy jew, so your life really does succ.
your prediction is based on hate cuz phx takes a shit on your team every year. please stop ruining threads cuzz.
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it must suck being a hater and bitter that phx owns your team. plus your a filthy jew, so your life really does succ.
your prediction is based on hate cuz phx takes a shit on your team every year. please stop ruining threads cuzz.
Yea, cuz everyone knows your life sucks when you're Jewish. ::)
Listen, kid...If you honestly think this is a good deal, then I feel bad for you. If you're saying it's a good deal just because you stand for everything that is anti-Lakers, then I still feel bad for you. So yea...I feel bad for you.
I'm so scared of Phoenix...after all, they didn't just shit their pants when Gasol was traded to the Lakers. :laugh:
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cuzz everyone feels bad for your grandma 8) and u dont like the trade cuz u bitter and anti everything suns.
stop lettin yo hate consume you and accept that the top team in the west just added the most dominating center ever, u know the one that carried your hero to his only championships, and he went to the team that already owns you scrubs. worry about beating teams like atlanta before you fuc with the big dogs.
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i think phenonix will benifet huge with this....i mean they needed a big man and they got a proven vet...people may say hes washed but just a few years ago he lead a team to a title....marion clearly had ego issues, couldnt handle nash and stoudamire getting all the shine....cant wait to see his debut man gunna be crazy shit in pheonix from this day
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it must suck being a hater and bitter that phx owns your team. plus your a filthy jew, so your life really does succ.
your prediction is based on hate cuz phx takes a shit on your team every year. please stop ruining threads cuzz.
i don't know man this trade would come back to bite PHoenix
although i hope it doesn't.
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LMAO. Have you guys actually watched Shaq playing this season? It was been embarassing, for real. He's slow as fuck, man. He's still a fat ass so he could still make some baby hook and shit, but for real, it takes him 10 seconds to go from one rim to the other. How do you guys think he'll play in the up-tempo Mike D'Antoni system? Shit, Kurt Thomas is 10x faster than this version of Shaquille, and i still remember him ruining every offensive play by the Suns (they played 4 vs 5 in the offensive end, when Kurt was on the floor). Waiting for Skinner to outplay Shaq in the Play Off and to put an end to his career.
Damn the Suns are desperate.
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LMAO. Have you guys actually watched Shaq playing this season? It was been embarassing, for real. He's slow as fuck, man. He's still a fat ass so he could still make some baby hook and shit, but for real, it takes him 10 seconds to go from one rim to the other. How do you guys think he'll play in the up-tempo Mike D'Antoni system? Shit, Kurt Thomas is 10x faster than this version of Shaquille, and i still remember him ruining every offensive play by the Suns (they played 4 vs 5 in the offensive end, when Kurt was on the floor). Waiting for Skinner to outplay Shaq in the Play Off and to put an end to his career.
Damn the Suns are desperate.
the suns definetely reacted to the Gasol trade
BUT marion is an ego guy and Shaq is probably a much better influence in the locker room
the trade works both ways
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cuzz everyone feels bad for your grandma 8) and u dont like the trade cuz u bitter and anti everything suns.
stop lettin yo hate consume you and accept that the top team in the west just added the most dominating center ever, u know the one that carried your hero to his only championships, and he went to the team that already owns you scrubs. worry about beating teams like atlanta before you fuc with the big dogs.
Yea...that's the reason I think the trade is bad..Cuz I don't like the Suns, not cuz I'm living in reality. LMAO.
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i think phenonix will benifet huge with this....i mean they needed a big man and they got a proven vet...people may say hes washed but just a few years ago he lead a team to a title....marion clearly had ego issues, couldnt handle nash and stoudamire getting all the shine....cant wait to see his debut man gunna be crazy shit in pheonix from this day
Shaq recently led a team to a title? Where was I?
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LMAO. Have you guys actually watched Shaq playing this season? It was been embarassing, for real. He's slow as fuck, man. He's still a fat ass so he could still make some baby hook and shit, but for real, it takes him 10 seconds to go from one rim to the other. How do you guys think he'll play in the up-tempo Mike D'Antoni system? Shit, Kurt Thomas is 10x faster than this version of Shaquille, and i still remember him ruining every offensive play by the Suns (they played 4 vs 5 in the offensive end, when Kurt was on the floor). Waiting for Skinner to outplay Shaq in the Play Off and to put an end to his career.
Damn the Suns are desperate.
the suns definetely reacted to the Gasol trade
BUT marion is an ego guy and Shaq is probably a much better influence in the locker room
the trade works both ways
The thing you gotta understand about Marion is that he's the first one who joined the Suns. He joined them before Nash, before Amare. And nobody really considered him a true star, in the locker room and in the front office. He got frustrated. Personally i'm not a fan of him (as a player), i just think he wanted to make a change and to be considered a star somewhere else.
Shaq def has a much better influence in the locker room than him. I mean he doesn't even need to ask for it.
But i don't know. He's not the type of player i was expecting in a Mike D'Antoni team.
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i think phenonix will benifet huge with this....i mean they needed a big man and they got a proven vet...people may say hes washed but just a few years ago he lead a team to a title....marion clearly had ego issues, couldnt handle nash and stoudamire getting all the shine....cant wait to see his debut man gunna be crazy shit in pheonix from this day
Shaq recently led a team to a title? Where was I?
Shaq was that tall black guy holding the trophy behind Wade / in front of Tim Donaghy.
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If the Suns figure out something really clever when it comes to utilizing Shaq, it can surprise a lot of people. But only if Shaq does exactly what they tell him to do without bitching. That's a possibility though, as he's old as fuck and not in the position of bargaining. I mean, he sure as hell don't won't to be dealt as an expiring contract next year, LOL.
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i think Shaq would school Bynum in a series
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i think Shaq would school Bynum in a series
Wow :stupid:
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If the Suns figure out something really clever when it comes to utilizing Shaq, it can surprise a lot of people. But only if Shaq does exactly what they tell him to do without bitching. That's a possibility though, as he's old as fuck and not in the position of bargaining. I mean, he sure as hell don't won't to be dealt as an expiring contract next year, LOL.
He was bitching for more touches earlier in THIS season...What do you think is gunna happen when he realizes he's the 4th or 5th option? LOL.
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The "current" Shaq can school Bynum..... in a bad free-throw shooting contest. 8)
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The "current" Shaq can school Bynum..... in a bad free-throw shooting contest. 8)
Good thing Bynum can shoot free throws...
I'm still laughing at people saying Shaq is gunna help them in the 4th quarter...Lakers used to bench Shaq IN HIS PRIME in the 4th quarter, because he was such a huge liability.
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i think Shaq would school Bynum in a series
I think Skinner will play more minutes than Shaq.