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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on December 23, 2011, 09:51:40 AM
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Every year at this time since the album was released in Dec. 02', I have to dust off Nas' "God's Son" album and play it out as the snow is hittin the ground...
...and I was thinking... how the fuck can anyone listen to Nas "Last Real Nigga" off the God's Son album and ever be stupid enough to say that Jay-Z could fuck with Nas? Biggie's "Kick In The Door" isn't better than "Last Real Nigga" but at least it's in the same league and we can argue about who's greater Big or Nas or even Raekwon, but Jay-Z could never make a track as cold as "Last Real Nigga". He just doesn't have it in him. You have to be a real mutherfucker to make some bombass shit like that. Jay just ain't capable of it.
And on that note, the album God's Son can't be fucked with. Only Pac's Me Against the World can match it's level of introspection, meditative flows, that could inspire both joy and tears simultaneously.
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Just don't agree. Jay got some strong one in his catalog. And if you think Pac is the only one who can match what Nas did there, you need to expand your search. Start with Cormega.
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Just don't agree. Jay got some strong one in his catalog. And if you think Pac is the only one who can match what Nas did there, you need to expand your search. Start with Cormega.
Give me one Jay or Cormega song that could fuck with the shit Nas was doing on "God's Son". Like I said, the only album that can fill the lane Nas was at with "God's Son" is Pac's "Me Against The World".
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Jigga wishes he had Nas' catalog.
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You're an idiot.
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You're an idiot.
Still not intelligent enough to express yourself and still relying on snide remarks like a bitch, huh?
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Jigga wishes he had Nas' catalog.
yeah and Nas wishes he had Jay-Zs money ;D
but yeah Nas >>>>> Jay-Z
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I don't even find the point of recommending you any of Cormega's music with your ass-backwards attitude on music BUT if you're willing to get your head out of your ass, I do recommend his albums "The Realness" & "The True Meaning." Both are great albums and Cormega is one hell of a rapper.
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Why do you make these threads? Most of us know that you worship Nas and hate the shit out of Jigga...
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I don't even find the point of recommending you any of Cormega's music with your ass-backwards attitude on music BUT if you're willing to get your head out of your ass, I do recommend his albums "The Realness" & "The True Meaning." Both are great albums and Cormega is one hell of a rapper.
This. Cormega is criminally slept on. He's in my top ten and the realness is one of my favorite albums of all time.
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It will probably be hard for a hardcore Nas groupie to get behind Mega's music given the issues he's had with Nas but if you want to hear a rapper speak on some real shit from the heart go with the following:
Live Ya Life
The Saga
Love In, Love Out
Introspective
Beautiful Mind
The Bond
They Forced My Hand
Loyalty
R U My Nigga?
In terms of writing deep, heart-felt lyrics, he's in the same cateogory as a Tupac or Scarface, in my opinion. Like others have said, criminally underrated artist.
As for Jay-Z, he got "Minority Report", "Still Got Love For You", "This Can't Be Life", "Where Have You Been", "Ignorant Shit", and countless others. People like to hate a little on him because he's more commercial than some of their favorite rappers but the guy's a better artist than he really gets credit for.
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You're an idiot.
Still not intelligent enough to express yourself and still relying on snide remarks like a bitch, huh?
I'd respond with something more harsh, but then you'd just completely ignore it or just abandon the entire thread all together.
But anyway, allow me to solidify my statement. "You're an idiot..." because nobody has ever said Jay-Z is better than Nas. So taking great Nas songs & saying "this is why Jay-Z sucks" is just idiotic. We get it. You're a stan of a certain era of Hip Hop & at the time, your idol Tupac wasn't the biggest fan of Jay-Z. Therefore, you dislike him. It's either that or the fact Jay is relevant today; but regardless, you're a bitter hater with no actual base to call Jay a poor rapper. I think you tried to say he couldn't paint a picture enough for you, but then when somebody threw Snoop Dogg saying "fa shizzle my nizzle" & nonsense like that, you just said "yeah, that's poetic". Then you try to speak to me about intelligence. Hence why I figured just calling you an idiot would suffice.
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^^^^^Speaking of you completely abandoning threads, I just noticed after making that post you chose to respond to me here, but ran away from that "Which artists have a negative affect on the listener thread". You're a pussy.
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You're an idiot.
Still not intelligent enough to express yourself and still relying on snide remarks like a bitch, huh?
I'd respond with something more harsh, but then you'd just completely ignore it or just abandon the entire thread all together.
But anyway, allow me to solidify my statement. "You're an idiot..." because nobody has ever said Jay-Z is better than Nas. So taking great Nas songs & saying "this is why Jay-Z sucks" is just idiotic. We get it. You're a stan of a certain era of Hip Hop & at the time, your idol Tupac wasn't the biggest fan of Jay-Z. Therefore, you dislike him. It's either that or the fact Jay is relevant today; but regardless, you're a bitter hater with no actual base to call Jay a poor rapper. I think you tried to say he couldn't paint a picture enough for you, but then when somebody threw Snoop Dogg saying "fa shizzle my nizzle" & nonsense like that, you just said "yeah, that's poetic". Then you try to speak to me about intelligence. Hence why I figured just calling you an idiot would suffice.
LOL.
Anyways, I'm a big Nas fan, was never a huge fan of that song or album though.
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god son is the most overrated album in nas catalog
not saying theres not gems on there but he was just coming off his stillmatic buzz and that album dont compare at all.
imo gods son isnt much better then nastradamus.
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god son is the most overrated album in nas catalog
not saying theres not gems on there but he was just coming off his stillmatic buzz and that album dont compare at all.
imo gods son isnt much better then nastradamus.
God's Son is probably the greatest rap album in history...
1. God's Son
2. Illmatic
3. All Eyez On Me
4. The Eminem Show
5. Me Against The World or 7 Day Theory
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LOL.
No, just no. Any album with zone out on it disqualifies it.
But it's funny I was thinking why does infinite think this album is so great? Then I looked at the tracklist and laughed. You're so goddamn predictable Brian.
The ONLY reason you love this album so much is because it has your three favorite and seemingly only interests in hip hop on it. Nas,eminem and 2pac. With eminem producing the cross and 2pac featured on thugz mansion.
You're so laughably one dimensional as a person Brian. I feel bad for your overly simple brain and thought process.
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imo gods son isnt much better then nastradamus.
I like "Nastradamus" more than" God's Son".
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God's Son never stuck out to me. AT ALL..
Illmatic, Stillmatic, It Was Written, I Am & Hip-Hop Is Dead >>>>>> God's Son >>>>> Untitled, Nastradamus, Street's Disciple
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LOL.
No, just no. Any album with zone out on it disqualifies it.
But it's funny I was thinking why does infinite think this album is so great? Then I looked at the tracklist and laughed. You're so goddamn predictable Brian.
The ONLY reason you love this album so much is because it has your three favorite and seemingly only interests in hip hop on it. Nas,eminem and 2pac. With eminem producing the cross and 2pac featured on thugz mansion.
You're so laughably one dimensional as a person Brian. I feel bad for your overly simple brain and thought process.
for real ,it seems like the only person heīs trying to convince is himself .
godīs son is ok at best . i donīt like jigga much but this is just stupid. stop living in the past .
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God's Son is probably the greatest rap album in history...
lol thats goin a lil too far, homie...
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i like god`s son but even only in 2002 i can easily name 5 albums that was better.
Lord Willin
Quality
Prhenology
Absolute Power
Aziatic
thats imo, and even the 8 mile OST is better.
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Not to mention "The Fix".
I can't knock "God's Son" as an album. It's definitely not my favorite Nas album but Stillmatic was a hard act to follow and I think Nas did a great job in that regard. The recent loss of his mother played a pretty big role in its creation but "greatest rap album in history"? That's a bit of a reach.
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The Black Album is easily better than God's Son
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god son is the most overrated album in nas catalog
not saying theres not gems on there but he was just coming off his stillmatic buzz and that album dont compare at all.
imo gods son isnt much better then nastradamus.
God's Son is probably the greatest rap album in history...
1. God's Son
2. Illmatic
3. All Eyez On Me
4. The Eminem Show
5. Me Against The World or 7 Day Theory
you know better.
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The Black Album is easily better than God's Son
agreed. So is so many albums released in the same year as mentioned (Lord Willin' & The Fix for sure)
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The Black Album is easily better than God's Son
agreed. So is so many albums released in the same year as mentioned (Lord Willin' & The Fix for sure)
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david banners fire water boyz is the best album that came out that year.
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Cormegas shit realer than Nas. Nas aint had a thorough album since Gods Son. Born & Raised better than both Nas last 2 albums
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I like both Nas and Mega but when it come to deep lyrics, Mega got him. Nas is arguably a better all-around lyricist but even then, I say it's pretty close.
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Individual songs off The Black Album alone are better than God's Son.
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jigga aint ishhh compared to nas.
nas is the realest around since makaveli left us.
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Illmatic better than god's son tho :) And AZ better than Nas, sup?
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I like both Nas and Mega but when it come to deep lyrics, Mega got him. Nas is arguably a better all-around lyricist but even then, I say it's pretty close.
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The Black Album is easily better than God's Son
nah.
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Gods Son is a great album, but when you say it's probably the best rap album of all time it really kills your credibility.
These songs are great tho:
Made You Look
Revolutionary Warfare
Heaven
Book of Rhymes
Mastermind
Last Real Nigga
I Know I Can (hella ballsy as a single, and a very rare positive / moral song)
Get Down (great loop from classic Ice-T joint)
Thugs Mansion sucked, The Cross was horrible due to Eminem's production that a 10 year old could do, and that joint to his mom are the only songs I skip.
Other than that, it's a great album.
Jay has made some dope introspective songs like "Regrets" and a few others.
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Just to elaborate, if u would have said Jay could never do "I Can" as a single, I would def agree. Jay is not putting out songs for the betterment of his people, he's flossin about how much he has and how much you don't. Ol insecure muthfucka.
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Just to elaborate, if u would have said Jay could never do "I Can" as a single, I would def agree. Jay is not putting out songs for the betterment of his people, he's flossin about how much he has and how much you don't. Ol insecure muthfucka.
Jay-Z is realer than Nas because he doesn't pretend to be putting out inspiration songs for the betterment of people. Hence he never sold out. Jay-Z makes music for you to bump and enjoy. Nas has made inspirational songs but at the same time he's sold out several times during his career. Going commercial several times kinda undermines his serious material doesn't it? And lets be real. He talks the talk but before Distant Relatives he was never actually giving back to the community. He's been just as commercial for half of his career as Jay-Z has been for all of his.
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For the record, I think being inspirational is overrated. It didn't stop Rakim, Biggie, or Big Daddy Kane from being called legends. How ignorant do you have to be to get your education from rap records?
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Just to elaborate, if u would have said Jay could never do "I Can" as a single, I would def agree. Jay is not putting out songs for the betterment of his people, he's flossin about how much he has and how much you don't. Ol insecure muthfucka.
Jay-Z is realer than Nas because he doesn't pretend to be putting out inspiration songs for the betterment of people. Hence he never sold out. Jay-Z makes music for you to bump and enjoy. Nas has made inspirational songs but at the same time he's sold out several times during his career. Going commercial several times kinda undermines his serious material doesn't it? And lets be real. He talks the talk but before Distant Relatives he was never actually giving back to the community. He's been just as commercial for half of his career as Jay-Z has been for all of his.
Jay sold out big time after Reasonable Doubt and has admitted it. "Dumbed down my raps and doubled my dollars" or whatever. Good for him, he's got a stack of great singles over the years, but his albums as a whole don't touch Nas' catalog with a 10 foot pole.
I never said anything about who is realer, I don't care. But Jay wouldn't and couldn't ever do a Distant Reatives or "I Can" or "UBR" (which you think he would do for BDK). He's always been on some insecure European Jay shit. He does budweiser and HP commercials and wears argyle sweaters and does photo ops with bill gates and the dude from coldplay.
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i think it's obvious to anyone with common sense....Nas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jay-Z. it's not even close.
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For the record, I think being inspirational is overrated. It didn't stop Rakim, Biggie, or Big Daddy Kane from being called legends. How ignorant do you have to be to get your education from rap records?
I'd suggest you go back and listen to BDK and Rakim, they dropped many many songs with inspirational messages. Even Biggie had sky is the limit.
Who said you get your education from them? It's about having someone in a powerful position as someone to try and look up to. If money and corporate America is what you worship, Jay is your dude. His career is nothing more than that.
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Spice-2 has to be the dumbest mufucka on this board when it comes to hip-hop, no joke.
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i think it's obvious to anyone with common sense....Nas>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Jay-Z. it's not even close.
I don't think anybody is debating that. But there aren't many other names you can throw in from of Jay. The entire purpose of Brian's hatin' ass thread is that Jay-Z is no good. Insanity.
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Just to elaborate, if u would have said Jay could never do "I Can" as a single, I would def agree. Jay is not putting out songs for the betterment of his people, he's flossin about how much he has and how much you don't. Ol insecure muthfucka.
Jay-Z is realer than Nas because he doesn't pretend to be putting out inspiration songs for the betterment of people. Hence he never sold out. Jay-Z makes music for you to bump and enjoy. Nas has made inspirational songs but at the same time he's sold out several times during his career. Going commercial several times kinda undermines his serious material doesn't it? And lets be real. He talks the talk but before Distant Relatives he was never actually giving back to the community. He's been just as commercial for half of his career as Jay-Z has been for all of his.
Jay sold out big time after Reasonable Doubt and has admitted it. "Dumbed down my raps and doubled my dollars" or whatever. Good for him, he's got a stack of great singles over the years, but his albums as a whole don't touch Nas' catalog with a 10 foot pole.
I never said anything about who is realer, I don't care. But Jay wouldn't and couldn't ever do a Distant Reatives or "I Can" or "UBR" (which you think he would do for BDK). He's always been on some insecure European Jay shit. He does budweiser and HP commercials and wears argyle sweaters and does photo ops with bill gates and the dude from coldplay.
Reasonable Doubt is an entire album about playing the game and getting money. I fail to see how any of his following albums qualify as selling out. Nas on the other hand....
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Jay sold out big time after Reasonable Doubt and has admitted it. "Dumbed down my raps and doubled my dollars" or whatever. Good for him, he's got a stack of great singles over the years, but his albums as a whole don't touch Nas' catalog with a 10 foot pole.
I don't interpret that line as admitting that he sold out but recognizing the way the game is played and owning up to that. Basically saying you can talk over your listeners' head and collect dust on the shelf or make music they can understand and sell. I actually admire lines like that from Jay because instead of pointing the finger at some figure and passing the buck, he holds himself accountable. Most artists want to downplay the reality of what they do. When you are talking about major labels, whether it's Eminem, Tupac Shakur, Marvin Gaye, Kurt Cobain, Busta Rhymes, Dr. Dre, Nas, or whoever, their job was to create something that entertains and reasonates with people. You have plenty of people who were way more intellectual than Pac but his fans aren't giving them props. Pac gets the due because he took the message and broke it down so that your average dude on the street could understand and relate. And that's where art and entertainment meet. You need the entertainment on the surface and the message in the center of it. But you can't tell the "keeping it real" crowd that. You have to create this facade so they believe the message is selling and not the music. Any artist that is making music with millions of someone else's dollars backing it has to compromise. No way around that. They can dress it up whatever they want but that's how it goes. The true great artists are the ones who find a way to give their employer what they want and still deliver the message.
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Jiggas an industry puppet and overrated highly by casual fans. Hes had a good career but he not the end all be all people make him out to be. Id put Mega Sosa & Nas all over him and a bunch more. Once I seen that Hawaiian Sophie video it killed alot of his cred with me. That nigga will do anything for the fame n money.
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Dumbing down your lyrics to sell more is the definition of selling out.