West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: The Kryptonian on January 25, 2007, 09:06:12 AM
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The prefice to this is that I am not democrat and not a republican. I am a indie and have been proudly since I voted the first time.
I was talking with a coworker about an interesting editorial I read about the upcoming 2008 Presidential Elections.
The editorial mentioned something that I never really thought about before. Here it is...
If Hillary Clinton gets the nod from her party, runs and wins...then the United States will have been run by a Bush or Clinton for 24 years. Now if she so happened to get reelected then the U.S. will have been run by a Clinton or Bush for 28 years. In light of this it begs the obvious question...
Do we really live in a Aristocracy when it comes to the HIGH level of politics? You could change that with elitist I Suppose but you still get my point.
Well thoughts?
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Undoubtedly the political determination of leader has been setup a long time before the person goes into office, look at the skull and bones "fraternity". Also the fact that Geroge Bush senior appointed Clinton the CIA when he was the direcor. Personally if I was american I would be voting for Ron Paul, I am going to love watching him tear apart these criminals and in turn garner more support.
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this 2008 election will be VERY interesting to watch and also extremely disheatning at the same time. No one has really said anything in terms of where and what they really stand for which makes our United States politics look like some Telenovela on Telemundo.
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Do we really live in a Aristocracy when it comes to the HIGH level of politics? You could change that with elitist I Suppose but you still get my point.
Yes.
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Well to summarise what Ron Paul stands for, he is anti war, anti big government, anti patriot act and the ensuing other acts which have led american into the depths of uncertainty. He is against the federal reserve and is basically against anything which violates the american constitution. You might gasp and say but he is a republican, however do not be drawn into the fake paradigm the guys voting record speaks for itself and the establishment republicans hate him. There have been many instances of the republican supporting media going on a witch hunt against him and indeed promoting democratic cadidates in his constituency. He does not belonging to any of these globalist groups, including the trilateral commission, the bildabergs. He basically is the closest thing that america has to a good person in my opinion. As for obama that guy is a joke, he offers no genuine alternative, this was a man that voted for all of these sickening pieces of legislation which now lay simmering under the surface, just awaiting a reason to burst to life.
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If Hilary Clinton wins, Bill Clinton would be The First Man. 8)
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If Hilary Clinton wins, Bill Clinton would be The First Man. 8)
lol thats a good one
8) 8) 8)
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im rich enough to where i can just buy answers to my problems, voting on things is for the commoners
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There are definitely lineages that stay in politics, heres a pretty comprehensive list, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._political_families
That's how a lot of members of congress get their jobs too, Chafee, Kennedy, Pelosi come to mind(but theres plenty more).
haha I just tried to find the Chafees on here and couldn't until I scrolled to the bottom and they're under "Tafts, Lippets, and Chafees" But look at all the damn Skull & Bones members there.
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The Bush family is elite and artistocratic, but Bill Clinton grew up poor in the South.
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I know that the Bush family has never hurt for money since before WWII maybe. But i just think that it is interesting that this is a distinct possibility of Hillary winning and there being a 24 year rule of TWO families in the U.S. presidency. So much for the BULL that we got fed as little kids about ANYONE can be President. MOST political scientiest all agree that american politics largely in part are a Rich person' sport. while YOU may not have to be rich but you had better have some MONEY behind you in most cases to even compete.
There is definitely something ugly about the whole thing IMO.
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Look at which polititians are freemasons and which are not. The one that is down with George HW Bush's New World Order is going to win. This is predetermined no matter how many people vote. 2008 is gonna be an interesting year.
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Look at which polititians are freemasons and which are not. The one that is down with George HW Bush's New World Order is going to win. This is predetermined no matter how many people vote. 2008 is gonna be an interesting year.
^^^^
it certainly will.
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Well to summarise what Ron Paul stands for, he is anti war, anti big government, anti patriot act and the ensuing other acts which have led american into the depths of uncertainty. He is against the federal reserve and is basically against anything which violates the american constitution. You might gasp and say but he is a republican, however do not be drawn into the fake paradigm the guys voting record speaks for itself and the establishment republicans hate him. There have been many instances of the republican supporting media going on a witch hunt against him and indeed promoting democratic cadidates in his constituency. He does not belonging to any of these globalist groups, including the trilateral commission, the bildabergs. He basically is the closest thing that america has to a good person in my opinion. As for obama that guy is a joke, he offers no genuine alternative, this was a man that voted for all of these sickening pieces of legislation which now lay simmering under the surface, just awaiting a reason to burst to life.
I hate to bust your bubble, but this so called democracy (read: aristocracy) has an in-built security system, which will prevent Ron Paul from ever making it to the top. It's a dirty game and they already know he won't make it... The very same thing happens in 'democracies' all over the world. The government wants certain people to be elected, so that's who they push. Ain't no telling what goes on behind the scenes, either.
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If Obama and Hilary run, i would for them but the problem is the rest of the america like midwest, the bible belt, hicks, red necks and KKK Wont!
So it'll be a re-run of the 2000 & 2004 presidential elections. :stupid: :poke:
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Not that I'm policital...but...I want Hilary and Obama in the office at the same time.
If Hilary wins, she chooses Obamas as Vice P.
If Obama wins, he chooses Hilary as Vice P.
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If Hilary Clinton wins, Bill Clinton would be The First Man. 8)
lmao the first gentilman, thats like bein a his wifes bitch.
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Interesting point, and of course the amounts of wealth they have are major contributors. But whether it's politics or anything else, it's all about who you are / who you know.
Take an actor like Martin Sheen. He has two sons, Charlie Sheen and Emilio Estevez. Both of which turned out to be successful actors. Obviously the fact that their dad was an actor influenced their career path. And of course their dad had connections and got them opportunities that the average joe isn't going to get. Every person that was a friend to their dad would be a friend of theirs. So they have a HUGE headstart at getting their foot in the door.
And that's true of any profession - it's all about your connections.
Now maybe there's a little man behind the curtain pulling all the strings on the whole thing, who knows. But I know that I've been in business (and even asked to be involved in local politics) enough to know your connections are the quickest way to the top.
For some outsider to try and kick down the door and win this election is gonna be an INCREDIBLE feat. And honestly, I don't see it happening.
As for Ron Paul, isn't he kind of ostracizing himself from the Republican party?
But either way, I think McCain is gonna win and the Bush / Clinton streak will be over.
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If Hilary Clinton wins, Bill Clinton would be The First Man. 8)
lmao the first gentilman, thats like bein a his wifes bitch.
Hahahaha!
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I am not that naive to believe that Ron Paul will win the presidential elections my friend, let's face it if by some miracle he was actually voted in by the people of america and somehow defied the huge media control they would sooner kill him than allow him to run america. I am assuming he will not be representing the republican party when he runs for president, he is going to be one of the independent candidates. My comments were more based on how I look forward to seeing this man who is well respected across the political spectrum galvanise the american people into becoming more awake and conscious as to what is really going on in their own backyard. I believe and hope that he will get a lot of airtime because his viewpoint connects with so many people, perhaps the mass media might ignore him but he has a lot of support at grass roots. He will at least shake things up, of course him running in the elections is more a symbolic gesture because there are so many things preventing him from running successfully but he will certainly stir things up.
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^^ I respect that, so here's a prop. However, if he's not going to get any mainstream media attention, how is he going to stir up something? Similar cases have been around in other 'democratic' countries, but these people never stood a chance, simply because they couldn't get their message across. 'Free' media failed them. No matter how many people would normally feel connected to his viewpoints... The media will simply prevent the people from ever feeling serious affection to him as their candidate.
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A good question and I know there is no easy solution thanks to the oligopolistic, almost monopilistic control of media sources, particularly within some areas. However what Ron Paul hopefully encourages in the people, is for them to be more engaged in politics. Yeah of course there are lots of people that are unhappy with the government and the political system but they are like blind sheep right now. In so far as they are in the same state of mind but they can not see a direction in which to move in. With Ron Paul entering the presidential candidacy, what it does, is show people there is some humanity in politics, there is someone who represents core values, not another elitist only interested in selling themselves out like a high class hooker.
in terms of a media platform, as you acknowledged there is a mass amount of people who are feeling disaffected and are probably more than simply disillusioned. Therefore if he is able to galvanise people which he has already succeeded at doing at the grass roots level, then there are still many radio shows he can use to get his messages across and indeed I believe that he will get a lot of exposure on local teleivision and print media. I understand where you are coming from but even as expected if the national media decides to mainly sideline him, he still has those outlets which I mentioned. I am sure though, even with the controlled national media there will still be some opportunities for him to get coverage albeit not as frequently as the leading runners.
Basically the best thing that can happen is people snap out of this apathetic nature, which although justified by what they see happening around them, is not going to affect change. Ron Paul represents the voice of what I would guess to be a sizeable proportion of americas population. If through his efforts he can connect people people with politics, then although this presential campaign may yet again be won by one of the crime families, he will have changed the political nature of things to come. Of course change can not come overnight and it obviously will not and am not saying he comes bearing miracles but what I am saying is that his efforts could have a very positive effect.