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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Shallow on January 27, 2011, 08:41:25 PM
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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81df4547/article/fisher-titans-part-ways-after-more-than-16-seasons?module=HP_headlines
First they cut Young and now they're letting Jeff go too. Are there any vacancies left? Carolina still hasn't replaced Fox right? I wouldn't ind him running the defense in Indy. They could use a spark.
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Very surprised by the timing. This is a late development. Most coaching vacancies are gone but you feel some team will hire Fisher asap if they can. He's no coordinator, he's a HC.
Titans = No QB. no coach LOL. Gregg Williams is a candidate. Runs an awesome defense in NO but his head coaching career is far from good (Buffalo). Please no Brian Schotenheimer or Mangini.
Most Titans fans seem opposed to making an O-Line coach a HC, but I wouldn't mind seeing Munchak get a 1 year shot at it. He's hard nosed, demands the right attitude and will play tough ass football.
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Oh god in heaven please let Brian schottenheimer be hired by the titans :D
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Very surprised by the timing. This is a late development. Most coaching vacancies are gone but you feel some team will hire Fisher asap if they can. He's no coordinator, he's a HC.
Titans = No QB. no coach LOL. Gregg Williams is a candidate. Runs an awesome defense in NO but his head coaching career is far from good (Buffalo). Please no Brian Schotenheimer or Mangini.
Most Titans fans seem opposed to making an O-Line coach a HC, but I wouldn't mind seeing Munchak get a 1 year shot at it. He's hard nosed, demands the right attitude and will play tough ass football.
I don't see Carolina going from Fox to Fisher, but I guess he could coach college. He came from the Buddy Ryan system so I still wouldn't mind seeing him DC a team. But as an NFL HC he may have to wait a year or two for some other guys to fail.
As for the Titans, I say they have to pull a seasoned stud of an HC out of retirement or go with very young blood. Williams will not be your answer, because there aren't any hot shot OCs out there to help out. If you brought in Williams to run the defense and had McDaniels come in with Orton that'd be a good building block to train a new QB for a couple years. You still have CJ so you don't need a stud at QB right away.
A trade for Kolb and the Philly OC as HC might be great for offense but terrible for defense, and Ron Meeks needs to go. Here's your best bet if you can get him; John Gruden. Get Gruden to HC, trade for Matt Flynn whi is already running a very similar to Gruden offense in Green Bay, and did a great job filling in for Rodgers. I was about to say snag Dick Jauron for to run your 4-3, but I just saw he's been picked up Cleveland. So now I don't know where you go for DC.
Ok, I got it, pay Caldwell all the money he wants and let him HC in Tenn. You will suck for years but at least then I'll be rid of him in Indy.
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I wouldn't ind him running the defense in Indy. They could use a spark.
That wont happen though. I was thinking the same for Oakland, but he wont take a Defensive Coordinator position. He will just wait for a head coaching gig.
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Gruden is a pipe dream. So is Cowher LOL.
We don't need an OC. Ours is still under contract. We need a DC.
A HC & A DC. Gregg Williams wouldn't shock me. Please no Mangini (I'll take Mangini as DC though) or Schotenheimer.
More likely, they'll promote someone from within (OC Mike Heimerdinger or O-Line coach Mike Munchak).
Ya, I can't see Fisher hopping on anywhere as a Coordinator
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Ya, I can't see Fisher hopping on anywhere as a Coordinator
They could have let him go last offseason so he could get the USC spot instead of that little bitch Kiffin lol
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Gruden is a pipe dream. So is Cowher LOL.
We don't need an OC. Ours is still under contract. We need a DC.
A HC & A DC. Gregg Williams wouldn't shock me. Please no Mangini (I'll take Mangini as DC though) or Schotenheimer.
More likely, they'll promote someone from within (OC Mike Heimerdinger or O-Line coach Mike Munchak).
Ya, I can't see Fisher hopping on anywhere as a Coordinator
They can always bring in Marty. You'll make the wild-card by year two. With CJ to play Marty ball and Britt to be a respectable deep threat it'd be great.
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Gruden is a pipe dream. So is Cowher LOL.
We don't need an OC. Ours is still under contract. We need a DC.
A HC & A DC. Gregg Williams wouldn't shock me. Please no Mangini (I'll take Mangini as DC though) or Schotenheimer.
More likely, they'll promote someone from within (OC Mike Heimerdinger or O-Line coach Mike Munchak).
Ya, I can't see Fisher hopping on anywhere as a Coordinator
They can always bring in Marty. You'll make the wild-card by year two.
But then be bounced in the wildcard game :-X
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Is it a good or bad thing that the coach who comes in gets to fill multiple spots? (DC, D-Line coach, RB coach, etc)
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Gruden is a pipe dream. So is Cowher LOL.
We don't need an OC. Ours is still under contract. We need a DC.
A HC & A DC. Gregg Williams wouldn't shock me. Please no Mangini (I'll take Mangini as DC though) or Schotenheimer.
More likely, they'll promote someone from within (OC Mike Heimerdinger or O-Line coach Mike Munchak).
Ya, I can't see Fisher hopping on anywhere as a Coordinator
They can always bring in Marty. You'll make the wild-card by year two.
But then be bounced in the wildcard game :-X
Yeah but at least the ground work will be laid. Marty would just be there to make sure the team gets going.
edit- they could just bring in Peyton Manning and win the division that way.
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Lmao a combo of Marty and manning would translate to being one and done in the playoffs every year
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Lmao a combo of Marty and manning would translate to being one and done in the playoffs every year
One and done. That seems to be the new slogan for Brady and Bellicheck. Marty and Manning would win a Superbowl, because Marty spends all his time on running the ball and stopping the run, and Manning would be the one make the big plays. Marty went one and done with Mike Pagel, Steve DeBerg, Dave Krieg, Steve Bono, and Elvis Grbac in his first 13 seasons as HC between Cleveland and KC. The best he had was Kosar and an aged and beaten down Montana and he cut it very close a couple times. He lost those games by an average of 2 points and he always did well against the run. Put Peyton Manning in for those 13 years and see how many rings Marty would have had. (even a 12 year old Peyton Manning could out do Steve Bono).
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keep that nigga VY yall
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Last time I checked Brady and belli have 3 Sbs and a winning playoff record while manning has one and a losing record in the playoffs, 9-10
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My complete take (long lol)
I'm sort of torn.
I wanted Jeff Fisher out. Can it be that much worse? Yes, but can it be much better? Yes. Jeff Fisher defines mediocre, 8-8. Players like Donnie Nickey still being around LOL. Gage over D. Williams, Hope keeping a starting job, punting on 4th & 2 with the season on the line & 5 mins left. Jeff Fisher makes odd decisions and is often outcoached and outclassed.
I hate the timing. Why not a month ago like everyone else? He was supposed to be retained. We lost out on a lot of good candidates (Harbaugh, Rivera, etc). Now we either have to go with someone left on the market (Eric Mangini?) or promote from within (Mike Munchak?). Gregg Williams seems realistic from what I've heard and although some Titans fans mention Perry Fewell, I haven't seen his name mentioned. Please no Brian Schotenheimer (sp?)
Is it good or bad that the new head coach comes in without a DC or D-Line coach? Bad cause its chaotic or good cause you get to basically make your staff?
I don't want Eric Mangini as HC. Hell no. I do hope he becomes our DC though. Gregg Williams is a sweet DC but sucked as a HC with Buffalo. I would give him a shot, but am not as sold on him as many are. I don't think Heimerdinger (OC) gets the job, coming off chemo and all. Mike Munchak seems the most likely candidate IMO. I don't have an opinion on him that leans more to one side. I like his attitude & familiarity with the team, but he's never even been a coordinator. That's a big jump to HC.
If Fisher quit because his son couldn't be allowed on the team, that's BS. You make a big deal all off season, the media starts leaking "it's young or fisher", you hold meetings to discuss future's, management agrees to cut ties with young and retain you, and you quit 2 weeks later? WEAK
And I don't buy the "he couldn't name assistants on his last contract year" as an excuse, many of our assistants this past off season were given longer deals than Fisher.
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Apparently fisher wanted to promote his son on the staff and that was the last straw for bud adams
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Last time I checked Brady and belli have 3 Sbs and a winning playoff record while manning has one and a losing record in the playoffs, 9-10
What's that Janet Jackson song from the 80s? Since Manning's SB win Brady and Bill ain't done shit when it counts.
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Last time I checked Brady and belli have 3 Sbs and a winning playoff record while manning has one and a losing record in the playoffs, 9-10
last I checked Bradshaw had 4 rings and Marino 0 but nobody will tell you Bradshaw was better than Marino. nobody, not even Bradshaw's mama.
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Last time I checked Brady and belli have 3 Sbs and a winning playoff record while manning has one and a losing record in the playoffs, 9-10
last I checked Bradshaw had 4 rings and Marino 0 but nobody will tell you Bradshaw was better than Marino. nobody, not even Bradshaw's mama.
Yeah but Marino would have found a way to mess those runs up and lose it for them. As sad as it seems there are people that believe that out there.
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Last time I checked Brady and belli have 3 Sbs and a winning playoff record while manning has one and a losing record in the playoffs, 9-10
last I checked Bradshaw had 4 rings and Marino 0 but nobody will tell you Bradshaw was better than Marino. nobody, not even Bradshaw's mama.
coming from the guy who thinks Eli is elite because he has a ring. The point of football is to win the superbowl not have nice stats. Some players just don't thrive in the playoffs, peytons record speaks for itself in the playoffs.
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Theirs winners and losers. If you asked me who I'd rather build a team around, Peyton or big Ben I'd take Ben. Ben is a clutch team player that's a proven winner. Peytons a controlling freak that's a regular season wonder but sucks when it matters most
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You can't just say oh Peyton on the jets and thier sb champs. Putting him on the jets would change the entire team. Peyton is like what Lebron James was in Cleveland. he is the team, everything goes through him. But that type of player and team dynamic never translates to postseason success in any sport. Peyton isn't a team player he is the team. But whenyou make your team so one dimensional you can be stopped. He's a regular season god, and a sub par post season player. That's just fact. You can make every excuse you want but his stats and records are the evidence
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You can't just say oh Peyton on the jets and thier sb champs. Putting him on the jets would change the entire team. Peyton is like what Lebron James was in Cleveland. he is the team, everything goes through him. But that type of player and team dynamic never translates to postseason success in any sport. Peyton isn't a team player he is the team. But whenyou make your team so one dimensional you can be stopped. He's a regular season god, and a sub par post season player. That's just fact. You can make every excuse you want but his stats and records are the evidence
Peyton doesn't have any control over defense or special teams and that's what lost the Colts the game against the Jets. Put him on a team that can stop the run and return and stop big kicks and punts and just let him run the offense. Peyton, Wayne, Tamme, Addai, Rhodes and White on the Jets team would get Rex Ryan a ring. Peyton, Holmes, Edwards, Keller, Greene, and LT will get Rex 2 or 3.
You just don't get it. The fact that you think you can compare a basketball leader to an NFL leader shows this. Lebron is responsible for both sides of the ball, and when his team is giving up a lead or allowing the team to run away and score it's his fault. Peyton has no control or expertise with regards to how the Colts stop the run, or tackle. If any of the Brady Pats played the run or tackled like any of the Colts teams Peyton was on, Brady wouldn't have 3 playoffs appearances, much less 3 SBs. So many of those years the Colts squeezed into the playoffs with the next AFC South team waiting in the wings. Peyton made the difference that Brady wouldn't be able to. They'd make it in on 04, 05, 07, and 09, but they'd be 0-4 in the playoffs. And the 06 team that won the SB gets in and beats KC, Brady would get eaten alive by Baltimore on that Indy offense. So 1-5 career playoff record for Brady. Who in reality would have been replaced by 03.
Of course you just argued for Bradshaw against Marino. I guess Franco Harris was better than Barry Sanders too. Cause with Marino and Sanders and the Steel Curtain they'd make the 60s Celtics jealous.
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If Peyton had driven down and scored Tds instead of Fgs they would have beat the jets, THATS why they lost. Jets only score 17 points, stop acting like thier defense is so horrible. Manning put up a bunch of Fgs and choked once again in the playoffs, surprise. YOU don't get it because you let your feelings between Brady and manning get in the way. Some players just find the ways to win and some put up nice stats but don't rise when it matters most. I'm saying right now, mark Sanchez will finish his career with more sb rings then Peyton. Peyton can have all the stats he wants, but keep him away from my team. I'd take Brady and big Ben over him. Not because they are better players, because their proven winners and thats what matters most.
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If Peyton had driven down and scored Tds instead of Fgs they would have beat the jets, THATS why they lost. Jets only score 17 points, stop acting like thier defense is so horrible. Manning put up a bunch of Fgs and choked once again in the playoffs, surprise. YOU don't get it because you let your feelings between Brady and manning get in the way. Some players just find the ways to win and some put up nice stats but don't rise when it matters most. I'm saying right now, mark Sanchez will finish his career with more sb rings then Peyton. Peyton can have all the stats he wants, but keep him away from my team. I'd take Brady and big Ben over him. Not because they are better players, because their proven winners and thats what matters most.
Name me a QB that is a proven winner that doesn't play on a team with a defense that scores and you'd be on to something. James Harrison was more important than Ben in that second ring. It's not easy scoring TDs against the Rex Ryan Jets, but simply scoring on every possession is more than satisfactory. Brady and Ben wouldn't have even gotten the Colts close enough to even think of an FG.
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Can you guys all shut the fuck up and stay on Jeff Fisher-Titans topic? :laugh:
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Can you guys all shut the fuck up and stay on Jeff Fisher-Titans topic? :laugh:
He's gone, what else is there to talk about? I'm still hoping they get Peyton and bring Marty in to coach and then win 3 straight and then everyone will have to shut up forever. Except me; who will never shut up about it after it happens.
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Can you guys all shut the fuck up and stay on Jeff Fisher-Titans topic? :laugh:
He's gone, what else is there to talk about? I'm still hoping they get Peyton and bring Marty in to coach and then win 3 straight and then everyone will have to shut up forever. Except me; who will never shut up about it after it happens.
Who the Titans are going to hire to right this ship :o
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Can you guys all shut the fuck up and stay on Jeff Fisher-Titans topic? :laugh:
He's gone, what else is there to talk about? I'm still hoping they get Peyton and bring Marty in to coach and then win 3 straight and then everyone will have to shut up forever. Except me; who will never shut up about it after it happens.
Who the Titans are going to hire to right this ship :o
Yeah! That's why I mentioned Marty and Peyton. With the whole deal being that Marty coaches until Peyton retires and then Peyton becomes OC for two years, and then Marty retires and Peyton takes over as HC with Ed Reed coming in as DC. Sounds good to me. Maybe they can dump Finnegan too and pick up Nmandi.
Then we could both cheer for the same team for years to come.
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^LOL
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What's up with all the former Bills head coaches in the hunt? Williams backs out and Mularky and Fewell are the front runners.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81e12cde/article/titans-add-fewell-mularkey-to-headcoach-hunt-williams-out?module=HP_headlines
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Last time I checked Brady and belli have 3 Sbs and a winning playoff record while manning has one and a losing record in the playoffs, 9-10
last I checked Bradshaw had 4 rings and Marino 0 but nobody will tell you Bradshaw was better than Marino. nobody, not even Bradshaw's mama.
coming from the guy who thinks Eli is elite because he has a ring. The point of football is to win the superbowl not have nice stats.
way to contradict yourself
eli won the SB fuck your Rivers stats :D
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I'm shocked & happy with my Titans. Thought they were definitely gonna do the boring thing and promote from within (Mike Munchak). From what I heard, it was Munchak's job to lose and his interview was underwhelming.
I'd be happy with either Fewell or Mularkey. Gregg Williams would be my 3rd option. Everyone else can kiss my ass :laugh: (Nick Saban, Eric Mangini, Brian Schotenheimer, Ray Sherman & Lane Kiffin)
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Actually Gregg Williams just withdrew his name from the race. Pretty mind boggling. I wonder why? Either way, I would be happy with Fewell or Mularkey. I actually prefer both over Williams anyways.
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Actually Gregg Williams just withdrew his name from the race. Pretty mind boggling. I wonder why? Either way, I would be happy with Fewell or Mularkey. I actually prefer both over Williams anyways.
You might be able to get both if you play the money right and work over the guy with less pride. Neither is going to want play coordinator while the other is HC, but you have to explain to them that one will handle the offense and the other defense. Find out which one really wants to be HC more than money and which one wants money more than HC. It's possible.
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Actually Gregg Williams just withdrew his name from the race. Pretty mind boggling. I wonder why? Either way, I would be happy with Fewell or Mularkey. I actually prefer both over Williams anyways.
You might be able to get both if you play the money right and work over the guy with less pride. Neither is going to want play coordinator while the other is HC, but you have to explain to them that one will handle the offense and the other defense. Find out which one really wants to be HC more than money and which one wants money more than HC. It's possible.
I don't think that's possible.
We have an OC, no DC. So therefore, for that to work, it would have to be Mularkey as HC and Fewell as DC, since Mularkey isn't a defense guy.
And doesn't the NFL block such lateral moves? You can't move from DC to another DC job unless your contract is up. That's called a lateral move and is blocked by the league. You can only move teams if
A) Your contract is up
B) You're accepting a better position (from DC to HC, WR coach to OC, etc)
So I don't think either scenario is possible.
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Actually Gregg Williams just withdrew his name from the race. Pretty mind boggling. I wonder why? Either way, I would be happy with Fewell or Mularkey. I actually prefer both over Williams anyways.
You might be able to get both if you play the money right and work over the guy with less pride. Neither is going to want play coordinator while the other is HC, but you have to explain to them that one will handle the offense and the other defense. Find out which one really wants to be HC more than money and which one wants money more than HC. It's possible.
I don't think that's possible.
We have an OC, no DC. So therefore, for that to work, it would have to be Mularkey as HC and Fewell as DC, since Mularkey isn't a defense guy.
And doesn't the NFL block such lateral moves? You can't move from DC to another DC job unless your contract is up. That's called a lateral move and is blocked by the league. You can only move teams if
A) Your contract is up
B) You're accepting a better position (from DC to HC, WR coach to OC, etc)
So I don't think either scenario is possible.
Didn't think of any lateral move penalties. I think you're right. I wonder if a DC or OC has ever been traded or moved in that way.
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Actually Gregg Williams just withdrew his name from the race. Pretty mind boggling. I wonder why? Either way, I would be happy with Fewell or Mularkey. I actually prefer both over Williams anyways.
You might be able to get both if you play the money right and work over the guy with less pride. Neither is going to want play coordinator while the other is HC, but you have to explain to them that one will handle the offense and the other defense. Find out which one really wants to be HC more than money and which one wants money more than HC. It's possible.
I don't think that's possible.
We have an OC, no DC. So therefore, for that to work, it would have to be Mularkey as HC and Fewell as DC, since Mularkey isn't a defense guy.
And doesn't the NFL block such lateral moves? You can't move from DC to another DC job unless your contract is up. That's called a lateral move and is blocked by the league. You can only move teams if
A) Your contract is up
B) You're accepting a better position (from DC to HC, WR coach to OC, etc)
So I don't think either scenario is possible.
Didn't think of any lateral move penalties. I think you're right. I wonder if a DC or OC has ever been traded or moved in that way.
Ya, it's not a possible scenario. To my knowledge, neither Fewell or Mularkey are FA. I've never seen an OC or DC trade (in recent memory?) Even HC trades are pretty few & far between.
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Actually Gregg Williams just withdrew his name from the race. Pretty mind boggling. I wonder why? Either way, I would be happy with Fewell or Mularkey. I actually prefer both over Williams anyways.
You might be able to get both if you play the money right and work over the guy with less pride. Neither is going to want play coordinator while the other is HC, but you have to explain to them that one will handle the offense and the other defense. Find out which one really wants to be HC more than money and which one wants money more than HC. It's possible.
I don't think that's possible.
We have an OC, no DC. So therefore, for that to work, it would have to be Mularkey as HC and Fewell as DC, since Mularkey isn't a defense guy.
And doesn't the NFL block such lateral moves? You can't move from DC to another DC job unless your contract is up. That's called a lateral move and is blocked by the league. You can only move teams if
A) Your contract is up
B) You're accepting a better position (from DC to HC, WR coach to OC, etc)
So I don't think either scenario is possible.
Didn't think of any lateral move penalties. I think you're right. I wonder if a DC or OC has ever been traded or moved in that way.
Ya, it's not a possible scenario. To my knowledge, neither Fewell or Mularkey are FA. I've never seen an OC or DC trade (in recent memory?) Even HC trades are pretty few & far between.
When Bellicheck left the Jets and took ever coach with him, the Pats were penalized but it still happened didn't it?
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^ I don't recall.
Word is offensive line coach Mike Munchak is still the favorite, especially if he can convince Dave McGinnis to stay and become DC. Double negative. Although I prefer Fewell & Mularkey over Munchak, I wasn't 100% opposed to Munchak until this. Please dear God do not make this douchebag (McGinnis) DC. He will not be an upgrade from Cecil who was just fired.
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Last time I checked Brady and belli have 3 Sbs and a winning playoff record while manning has one and a losing record in the playoffs, 9-10
What's that Janet Jackson song from the 80s? Since Manning's SB win Brady and Bill ain't done shit when it counts.
What have you done for me lately. 1986. Jeff Fisher is overrated, & lots of Titan fans wanted him gone. Marty should try coaching in college, whatever nfl owner gives him another try is stupid.
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^ Jeff Fisher is over rated but has a crazy reputation around the league a& with the media. He'll sit out this year and get a job next year.
Word is Mike Munchak will be named HC tomorrow. Earl Campbell & Kevin Mawae are two legends in his corner. This guy has never even been a Co Ordinator and he's about to become a HC.
As I said, I will judge him firstly (positively or negatively) with how he fills out his staff. I'm gonna be so pissed if he makes McGinnis DC
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Mike Munchak officially named HC.
His press conference was a home run for me. He certainly talks the talk. He said all of the right things. Now let's see if he can walk the walk.
Thus far, I have a good perception of Munchak. My main concern was thinking he was going to name Dave McGinnis DC. Rumors are saying former Bills D Coordinator Jerry Gray is the top candidate for the job. Twice in the early part of the decade, the Bills defense under Jerry Gray finished in the top 5 as he worked under Gregg Williams. The fact that Gregg Williams hired this guy to coach his defense is a positive sign to me.
Not only that, but Ray Sherman is expected to be named WR coach. He's been with the team before and did a good job this past year in Dallas. Former Oiler/Titan great Bruce Matthews is expected to join the staff as the O Line coach (hopefully the Texans don't block that move).
If these 3 personnel moves are made, I'd be more than happy with how Munchak is starting off.
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Mike Munchak officially named HC.
His press conference was a home run for me. He certainly talks the talk. He said all of the right things. Now let's see if he can walk the walk.
Thus far, I have a good perception of Munchak. My main concern was thinking he was going to name Dave McGinnis DC. Rumors are saying former Bills D Coordinator Jerry Gray is the top candidate for the job. Twice in the early part of the decade, the Bills defense under Jerry Gray finished in the top 5 as he worked under Gregg Williams. The fact that Gregg Williams hired this guy to coach his defense is a positive sign to me.
Not only that, but Ray Sherman is expected to be named WR coach. He's been with the team before and did a good job this past year in Dallas. Former Oiler/Titan great Bruce Matthews is expected to join the staff as the O Line coach (hopefully the Texans don't block that move).
If these 3 personnel moves are made, I'd be more than happy with how Munchak is starting off.
NFL Network just said Heimerdinger just got fired.
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^ I'm fine with that also. Packers QB coach Tom Clements is the top candidate for the job. I'd be at peace with that too. the DC job has been offered to Jerry Gray. It's his if he wants it.
Bruce Matthews joined today as OLine coach. Awesome first hire!
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If Heimerdinger gets a new job fast I guess we'll see what he thinks of VY by how hard he pushes to bring him in. Could a reunion of the two in Minn, SF, Arizona or Carolina be possible? Those are the only 4 teams I see even thinking about it either one of the two guys.
The Cards don't even have a real OC and is VY really all that different from Ben, if you're looking through Ken's eyes? Harbaugh's a QB coach at heart and they got no one at QB, and the whole team needs re-toolling. I think the Panthers just signed an OC but he can be renamed and shit can't he? He hasn't really ran a successful offense ever, and Rivera's a defensive guy. Minnesota should take what they can get on offense. Heimerdinger and Young might be a great fit there.
Of course they can both come to Indy if VY wants to learn how to block and catch, and we could use a guy that knows how to co-ordinate a run game. hell, Vinnie would learn a hell of a lot playing under Manning. If he's very patient he can wait for Peyt's retirement and become a starter again at 32 or 33 years old.
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If Heimerdinger gets a new job fast I guess we'll see what he thinks of VY by how hard he pushes to bring him in. Could a reunion of the two in Minn, SF, Arizona or Carolina be possible? Those are the only 4 teams I see even thinking about it either one of the two guys.
The Cards don't even have a real OC and is VY really all that different from Ben, if you're looking through Ken's eyes? Harbaugh's a QB coach at heart and they got no one at QB, and the whole team needs re-toolling. I think the Panthers just signed an OC but he can be renamed and shit can't he? He hasn't really ran a successful offense ever, and Rivera's a defensive guy. Minnesota should take what they can get on offense. Heimerdinger and Young might be a great fit there.
Of course they can both come to Indy if VY wants to learn how to block and catch, and we could use a guy that knows how to co-ordinate a run game. hell, Vinnie would learn a hell of a lot playing under Manning. If he's very patient he can wait for Peyt's retirement and become a starter again at 32 or 33 years old.
I have a feeling Dinger isn't a big fan of VY. Seemed like we never saw the playbook open up with VY as QB. But that could have been Fisher refusing to remove Young's chains.
I really hope Young ends up in Minnesota.
I can care less where Dinger ends up team wise. I just hope he continues making a healthy recovery from cancer.
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If Heimerdinger gets a new job fast I guess we'll see what he thinks of VY by how hard he pushes to bring him in. Could a reunion of the two in Minn, SF, Arizona or Carolina be possible? Those are the only 4 teams I see even thinking about it either one of the two guys.
The Cards don't even have a real OC and is VY really all that different from Ben, if you're looking through Ken's eyes? Harbaugh's a QB coach at heart and they got no one at QB, and the whole team needs re-toolling. I think the Panthers just signed an OC but he can be renamed and shit can't he? He hasn't really ran a successful offense ever, and Rivera's a defensive guy. Minnesota should take what they can get on offense. Heimerdinger and Young might be a great fit there.
Of course they can both come to Indy if VY wants to learn how to block and catch, and we could use a guy that knows how to co-ordinate a run game. hell, Vinnie would learn a hell of a lot playing under Manning. If he's very patient he can wait for Peyt's retirement and become a starter again at 32 or 33 years old.
I have a feeling Dinger isn't a big fan of VY. Seemed like we never saw the playbook open up with VY as QB. But that could have been Fisher refusing to remove Young's chains.
I really hope Young ends up in Minnesota.
I can care less where Dinger ends up team wise. I just hope he continues making a healthy recovery from cancer.
Honestly, Dinger or not, I really think Whisenhunt should bring him in. He's already building up the defense he needs by bringing in the Pit team, and there is nothing in Ben I can't see VY doing as well. They are very similar style QBs, and the Pit offensive playbook should work with VY just like it worked with Ben. That being said, Ben in Arizona last year wouldn't have meant shit. Maybe they might have gone 8-8 for the Division title, but NO would have eaten them up in the playoffs. They aren't a win in the playoffs team with Ben, unless they really beef up the defense, so they wouldn't be a win in the playoffs team with Young. But they could be if the defense gets better.
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I would approve of Young in Arizona too. I just want to see the guy win and shut everyone up.
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I love the Jerry Gray hire as DC. Shallow, you're a Bills fan, what do you know about Jerry?
Chris Palmer named OC today. He's known to be a QB development coach. Over 20 years experience in the NFL as a HC, QB coach, OC, etc. I'm on the fence about this guy. He coached in the UFL last year. It is a positive sign that he's been hired by Bill Parcells and Tom Coughlin on two separate staffs. They obviously think highly of him. He's worked with some great QB's (Eli Manning in his super bowl MVP year) and some terrible ones (Couch & Carr).
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I love the Jerry Gray hire as DC. Shallow, you're a Bills fan, what do you know about Jerry?
Chris Palmer named OC today. He's known to be a QB development coach. Over 20 years experience in the NFL as a HC, QB coach, OC, etc. I'm on the fence about this guy. He coached in the UFL last year. It is a positive sign that he's been hired by Bill Parcells and Tom Coughlin on two separate staffs. They obviously think highly of him. He's worked with some great QB's (Eli Manning in his super bowl MVP year) and some terrible ones (Couch & Carr).
I'm trying to remember what the D was like when Gray was DC. I was left very sour after the Flutie trade and gave up on my boys for a couple years out of disgust. He came with Williams I know that, but did he stay when Mularky came in. I remember almost making the playoffs in 04. Had we started well in that season and beaten the terrible 04 Raiders and the not so great Jags we would have squeezed in.
I do think our best defenses since Wade left were in the Jauron era. We just had zero offense. Losman really was a joke. I don't even think McDaniels, Wies, and Jesus combined could make him a winner. Mularky never had a chance. He really fucked us up. We traded up to get him in the first round when the next QB picked late in the draft was Matt Schaub. But the really funny thing is what we traded up for. We traded our 2005 first round pick, which was guarantee to be high, and a few picks in the 04 draft, and because these idiots thought Losman was a prospect they avoided picking a QB at all for a couple years. Had they just stuck with whoever they could get and not traded the 1st round pick in 05 they would have drafted a QB with that pick. Do you know the highest available QB was in 2005 draft with the Bills #20 pick? Well that would have to be the #24 picked Aaron Rodgers.
What a fucking joke. It makes me mad thinking about it. Mularky would have turned Rodgers into Matt Ryan, like he did Matt Ryan, and Rodgers would have flourished even more than Matty, while our defense wasn't half bad to begin with.
Long story short; Gray is the closest thing to Greg Williams as DC as you're gonna get, so that's a good thing. The problem is unless my dreams come true you're going to have to play Peyton Manning twice. Not to mention a newly crowned by me playoff team Houston Texans with Wade on defense, twice.
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^ I never worry about the Houston Texans until they (finally) prove me wrong lol. They are perrenial chokers.
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^ I never worry about the Houston Texans until they (finally) prove me wrong lol. They are perrenial chokers.
Chokers are expected to win but lose. Teams with no defense are never expected to win in my world. Wade Phillips is a rock solid on defense. I'm calling it now, barring major injuries, the Texans will be playing in January of 2012.
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^ I never worry about the Houston Texans until they (finally) prove me wrong lol. They are perrenial chokers.
Chokers are expected to win but lose. Teams with no defense are never expected to win in my world. Wade Phillips is a rock solid on defense. I'm calling it now, barring major injuries, the Texans will be playing in January of 2012.
My point is everyone & there mama pointed to this past season to finally being the year th Texans would shine and make the playoffs.. And once again, it was more of the same.