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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: nortyhat on July 14, 2010, 08:58:15 AM
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Who's better honest opinions no bullshit, just because you from the west don't co sign crooked I .my vote goes to crooked I . Also what mc would you put up agaisnt crooked and who's better than crooked? Honest opinions.
Thanks!
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Jada has albums out so its Jada for me :D :D :D
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i dont think its that much of stretch at all to say jadakiss is better....i would say he's (jada) definitely a better all around artist...buy i could see people going either way
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I think that Crooked I is much better than Jada... in fact I'd say that Crooked is one of the top 5 out right now.
But keep in mind that NY cats consider Jada to be one of the greatest living rappers....
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But keep in mind that NY cats consider Jada to be one of the greatest living rappers....
Just as all the cats here would say Crooked is better kuz this is a west coast forum.
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Crooked I but Crooked I would get smoked by Illmatic Nas, and 2000 Eminem.
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it could go either way.
Jadas has been beast'n it up on the mixtape scene since the 90s
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by skills (flow, lyrics) i gotta choose Crooked, voice is kinda tie.. but as an enterteiner its Jada, mostly couse Crooked hasnt made anything major, not even 1 track that made any succes, instead of Jada
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thread kinda backfired huh...
jadakiss »»» crooked i
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crooked is better...fuck havin a album makin you a better artist...what has jada done recently? lol
remind me of jada's best song or verse?
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jadakiss »»» crooked i
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Crooked is cool but Jada is legend man
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jada he's made better songs period, crooked can spit 15 ill punchlines and jada can spit 4 in a verse, and people will still be talking about jada's shit, it's execution, and i ain't one of them who rates jada in the top 5 shit,it's just crooked songs don't match the shit he does over other's beats, and jada kills both his own shit and others shit,cased closed yell
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Thread says 'better'..
So obvious answer is Crooked I .
We just talkin skill, remember?
Not cute singles with Mariah Carey, remakes of Regulate or Def Jam releases... smfh..
And I do like a lot of Jada's music so I AM NOT HATIN!
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Jada>>>>>>Crooked
No contest, Crook is dope but he might only be the third best in Slaughterhouse
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Thread says 'better'..
So obvious answer is Crooked I .
We just talkin skill, remember?
Not cute singles with Mariah Carey, remakes of Regulate or Def Jam releases... smfh..
And I do like a lot of Jada's music so I AM NOT HATIN!
speaking of remakes, most of Crooked I's music is remakes of popular songs.
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3rd best member? Not better than jada? Thats y he hasnt released a cd...say hes top 5 dead or alive haha
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Thread says 'better'..
So obvious answer is Crooked I .
We just talkin skill, remember?
Not cute singles with Mariah Carey, remakes of Regulate or Def Jam releases... smfh..
And I do like a lot of Jada's music so I AM NOT HATIN!
speaking of remakes, most of Crooked I's music is remakes of popular songs.
^^^amen yell
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jadakiss »»» crooked i
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jada have albums out but crooked got more material out,includeing songs,freestyles etc.i bet crooked i spit way more verses then jada.but only a idiot would judge a person by how many albums they got out,he said who was the best?not who have more albums out,bar from bar,crooked the best lyricist to touch the mic.
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jadakiss »»» crooked i
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i dont think its that much of stretch at all to say jadakiss is better....i would say he's (jada) definitely a better all around artist...buy i could see people going either way
Pretty much but back in his Death Row days I think Crooked was better.
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Yeah but it aint like jada is spittin fire right now...they should battle
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PS: People keep saying Crooked I doesn't have a album... Just because you have a album out doesn't mean your good. Look at Soulja Boy...
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Yeah but it aint like jada is spittin fire right now...they should battle
Yeah but Jada always has a clever line or 2 up his sleeves, same goes for Crooked. I'm going for Jada right now but when Crooked has that insane fast flow going he's unstoppable.
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jada have albums out but crooked got more material out,includeing songs,freestyles etc.i bet crooked i spit way more verses then jada.but only a idiot would judge a person by how many albums they got out,he said who was the best?not who have more albums out,bar from bar,crooked the best lyricist to touch the mic.
Well, based purely on punchlines Crooked I takes it. But that's not what defines a "lyricist." It's also about lyrical content, flow, song structure, etc. everything that goes into the making of a song. Punchlines are jokes told through rhymes. They make you go "ahh that's clever", but they don't make a song. Punchlines can enhance a song if used properly, but they are only one part of a larger equation. Pac wasn't a punchline rapper at all, don't try and tell me Crooked I is better than Pac, just cause he spits more punchlines bar for bar. If I took the best songs from each I'd have to go with Jada, though Crooked I wouldn't be that far behind.
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^^^Co sign at niggaz thinking Punchlines and metaphors made the gretest lyricists...Cube?Pac?Biggie? Even Nas..Nas never had punchlines...he had quotes and knowledge.
Today rap is based on Punchlines, thats why stupid rappers like ya Boy and Crooked I and them are never making it...Becoz they are for the shock...Like Listening to Ya Boy and Crooked I Song 2 Best From the West...Some Lines made me go :o but than if those rappers died today people would forget in 23 hours.
Jadakiss is still a punchline rapper thou..Both Crooked I and Jada are trash. They might be lyrical but people just dont give a fuck,.But At least Jada was with Biggie,Did songs with Miriah C etc...Crooked I is a 65 year old Grandfather with no album or no legacy..Nigga is an embarasment and a fucking loser.
Punchlines only live on the internet...They have no longetivity as music..Banks,Cassidy,Cyssero,Crooked Fag,Ya Boy etc
And whats worse about these rappers is that when time comes to drop a single to appeal to more people, they drop "Baby Dont Go feat Gay Songz", "Dont Go Baby Feat The Dream", "Baby Where Do you Go feat R kelly", Didnt Banks just drop "Any Girl" single?
These rappers only good for Punchlines and sick metaphors..They cannot make a song for your soull.Take 50 cent for instance..His lyrics are simple ass.Banks is like 500 000 times smarter than him in terms of lyrical structure, but if Banks was drowning along with 50 Cents CD with Many Men song on it, people would rush to save the Blank CD with 1 song and Let Banks drown...
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Jada>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Crooked
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well before we debate this topic, let's first take a look at their discographies
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i think its pretty equal to compare them, i think Jada is dope, but like Crooked I im waiting on that album to really stamp him as GREAT, see Crooked dont have an album out but Jada cant make an album for shit, his radio songs suck like real bad (Knock Yourself Out, shit even had several big artist involved with his shit and it was still wack) So who to me is better beasting on that mic Crook, Jada's flow is the same on all tracks and is really rapping the same shit since "LAst Day" (his shining verse on Big's album)
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What u mean jada got clever lines? Crooked got jada beat when it comes 2 metaphors...fuck a album...shit jada got albums and how many of em ar classic? How many of crookeds freestyles and songs are classic?
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What u mean jada got clever lines? Crooked got jada beat when it comes 2 metaphors...fuck a album...shit jada got albums and how many of em ar classic? How many of crookeds freestyles and songs are classic?
Neither have any classics. But Jadakiss's best songs are better than Crooked I's
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[Jadakiss]
It's the J-A-D-A I got beef with the feds and the D-A
I got footage in the game press replay
I got bitches in the club all over me ma take it e-asy
And y'all scared I can tell
and I'ma get Buckss like Milwaukee cause like +Sam+ I +Can-sell+
I'm that nigga y'all know that
Bang you in tha yard then slide off on the early go back
In the streets I flash the cannon like Kodak
And I spray threes so say cheese
Already told you I'm lookin for enemies
Double R so of course it's better
I love cornrows and Farrah Fawcett feathers
It's a message in a glass bottle read the letter
Money in the bank membership Visa sweaters
And we ride or d-i-e together
[Chorus 1]
Uh uh come on put ya hands up
Nah, fuck that put ya hands down
(ahh) Come on put ya hands up
Nah, fuck that put ya hands down
[Jadakiss]
Y'all know I got the master flow, fast or slow
Y'all wanna know who the best is aks ya hoe
The honies don't lie they love it
And they cop for real trust me dogg the thugs will dub it
'Kiss hit you with consecutive hot shit
Therefore nobody never gon' spit like I spit
Get money just to walk through off the books
So when you mention my name shit is off the hook
Shirts is off, titties is out
And you know I'm there the hardest niggas in the city is out
I'm in the club ice over the thermal waitin for you to try me
When the lights get low I'ma burn you
Start with straight shots and then pop bottles
Flirt with the hood rats then pop models
Gotta slay two or more, ma that's our motto
And y'all might get down with the team if y'all swallow
[Chorus 2 (longer and diferent fill in)]
[Jadakiss]
(Muahh) Kiss the game goodbye, the game is mine
You thought wrong change ya mind
I'm the nigga that'll pop the king and scoop the queen
and take over the town with a ruthless team
New S-Type wagon, future green
Gun heavy pants saggin I'm used to cream
Who you know can make a million dollar bail on cash
Never did a day and got the jails on smash, K-I double
I move the perico quick, and just let manteca bubble
'Kiss been a boss, y'all just start workin
Now put ya hands up 'til ya arms start hurtin
Don't put 'em down 'til I tell you
Whoever wanna be hard headed then find out what the shells do
Now you can put 'em down if you want
But soon as the hook come back put 'em up
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^^^Co sign at niggaz thinking Punchlines and metaphors made the gretest lyricists...Cube?Pac?Biggie? Even Nas..Nas never had punchlines...he had quotes and knowledge.
Today rap is based on Punchlines, thats why stupid rappers like ya Boy and Crooked I and them are never making it...Becoz they are for the shock...Like Listening to Ya Boy and Crooked I Song 2 Best From the West...Some Lines made me go :o but than if those rappers died today people would forget in 23 hours.
Jadakiss is still a punchline rapper thou..Both Crooked I and Jada are trash. They might be lyrical but people just dont give a fuck,.But At least Jada was with Biggie,Did songs with Miriah C etc...Crooked I is a 65 year old Grandfather with no album or no legacy..Nigga is an embarasment and a fucking loser.
Punchlines only live on the internet...They have no longetivity as music..Banks,Cassidy,Cyssero,Crooked Fag,Ya Boy etc
And whats worse about these rappers is that when time comes to drop a single to appeal to more people, they drop "Baby Dont Go feat Gay Songz", "Dont Go Baby Feat The Dream", "Baby Where Do you Go feat R kelly", Didnt Banks just drop "Any Girl" single?
These rappers only good for Punchlines and sick metaphors..They cannot make a song for your soull.Take 50 cent for instance..His lyrics are simple ass.Banks is like 500 000 times smarter than him in terms of lyrical structure, but if Banks was drowning along with 50 Cents CD with Many Men song on it, people would rush to save the Blank CD with 1 song and Let Banks drown...
God youre a hater. Neither Jadakiss nor Crooked I is trash.. They both very talented and has made plenty of good SONGS !
and try to listen to Crook's My Life and My Life 2.0
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Imo no way jada can c crooked...crook has no legacy? Hes one of the dopest spitters ever but cuz he dont have a album hes wack? Last time jada was relevant...was when he dropped a dope album wit more than a few dope songs...thats been years and crookeds dropped dope freestyles, unreleased joints have leaked, group album, featurers etc...more times jada could wish for crooked waz spittin...sometimes even over a wack beat but he did what he does and what jada wish he could do
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^What you just posted applies to Jada too. Seriously what hasn't he done out of all the points you just mentioned?? lol at Jada wishing he could do what Crooked does, I think you got it a lil messed up there buddy.
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Nah not at all...listen 2 everythin both rappers have done...and c whos better? What has jada dropped better than "Respect ur Ogs" recently? Alotta crooked songs are str8 dope like that same cant b said 4 jada
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^I'm not saying every Kiss song is dope. He's gots lots of shitty ones. I like both rappers but to me both of them fall into the category "could've but never did". Kisses solo albums are shitty & Crooked never released one & when he does I doubt it'll ever live up to the hype. His best chance was when he was on Death Row. Maybe he wouldn't have gone platinum but I feel like he was in his best form with lyrics & beat selection, so I'm sure the album would've been great but we will probably never know.
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Nah not at all...listen 2 everythin both rappers have done...and c whos better? What has jada dropped better than "Respect ur Ogs" recently? Alotta crooked songs are str8 dope like that same cant b said 4 jada
Recently? Ain't that song from 4 years ago? What has Crooked I ever done better than Letter to Big or Why? I like Crooked, but he doesn't have songs on that level. He's a freestyler at heart, not a songwriter.
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dude jada by a lil' bit
but crooked got them punches that make you say wow
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Nah not at all...listen 2 everythin both rappers have done...and c whos better? What has jada dropped better than "Respect ur Ogs" recently? Alotta crooked songs are str8 dope like that same cant b said 4 jada
Recently? Ain't that song from 4 years ago? What has Crooked I ever done better than Letter to Big or Why? I like Crooked, but he doesn't have songs on that level. He's a freestyler at heart, not a songwriter.
Case closed.
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jada have albums out but crooked got more material out,includeing songs,freestyles etc.i bet crooked i spit way more verses then jada.but only a idiot would judge a person by how many albums they got out,he said who was the best?not who have more albums out,bar from bar,crooked the best lyricist to touch the mic.
Well, based purely on punchlines Crooked I takes it. But that's not what defines a "lyricist." It's also about lyrical content, flow, song structure, etc. everything that goes into the making of a song. Punchlines are jokes told through rhymes. They make you go "ahh that's clever", but they don't make a song. Punchlines can enhance a song if used properly, but they are only one part of a larger equation. Pac wasn't a punchline rapper at all, don't try and tell me Crooked I is better than Pac, just cause he spits more punchlines bar for bar. If I took the best songs from each I'd have to go with Jada, though Crooked I wouldn't be that far behind.
^^^^exactly yell
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jada have albums out but crooked got more material out,includeing songs,freestyles etc.i bet crooked i spit way more verses then jada.but only a idiot would judge a person by how many albums they got out,he said who was the best?not who have more albums out,bar from bar,crooked the best lyricist to touch the mic.
Well, based purely on punchlines Crooked I takes it. But that's not what defines a "lyricist." It's also about lyrical content, flow, song structure, etc. everything that goes into the making of a song. Punchlines are jokes told through rhymes. They make you go "ahh that's clever", but they don't make a song. Punchlines can enhance a song if used properly, but they are only one part of a larger equation. Pac wasn't a punchline rapper at all, don't try and tell me Crooked I is better than Pac, just cause he spits more punchlines bar for bar. If I took the best songs from each I'd have to go with Jada, though Crooked I wouldn't be that far behind.
^^^^exactly yell
I still think Crooked I more of a mixtape rapper. Until he proves me other wise.
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Crooked I has punchlines but Jadakiss paints pictures. Jada is easily the better rapper.
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well before we debate this topic, let's first take a look at their discographies
lmfao, ur a funny motherfucker.
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why vs my life why kills that shit, letter to big vs respect your o.g.'s again jada's shit is better, AND WHY DO WEST COAST BILL WALTONS act like crooked ain't released no e.p.s? or mixtape's with original material and how did y'all really like those? that amazing guy is a character but i get what he's saying about crooked and jada and banks it's basically the same shit i say,but they ain't wacc but that structure does not translate well into song making, it gets stale fast yell
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Yeah why is dope and alot better than letter 2 big...why imo is a best song of all time but still were talkin lyrically here...jada overall has never been up there wit crooked imo...yeah crooks made dope traxx like that but jada gets more talk cuz hes a major artist and it was a single...otherwise crook leaves u on ur chair like damn how n the fuck did he jus do that...and thats still...and respect ur ogs is old but damn what a banger
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It's a pretty interesting match. In my opinion, they are both incredibly talented MC's whose careers haven't quite lived up to their potential. I don't mean this as a knock either. I think we still have yet to see the best from either.
In terms of catalog, I think Jada wins.
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Being on a West Coast forum, I'll prob get hate for this, but:
Jadakiss is more of an innovator than Crooked I.
I'll tell you one reason why Crooked is so against his older material being released is so he can go back to his old cataloge of work and re-use it for newer material should his creativity lack. I know it sounds insane, but Crooked I is just a raw MC. Unless he has direction, and people influencing him, he isn't a terrificly good artist, as shown by his lack of exposure. His R&B writing for artists aren't even R&B maintream, so he isn't being cherry picked by big players in the game. Jadakiss has that advatage. He is more artistic in the fact that he has/had a better understanding of how to break thorugh than Crooked. Granted Crooked had the shoulder load of Death Row against him, but other artistic types have flurished onto the mainstream front. Ray J being an immediate example I can think of at the top of my head
As far s lyrical onslaught is concerned Crooked I wins, but overall I'd say Jada
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When Crooked I gets a discography of his own he can talk. Until then, do your daily freestyles like always and never be remembered.
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Lol @ never be remembered...what a dope rapper like jada hasnt done recently he shouldnt b remembered either
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When Crooked I gets a discography of his own he can talk. Until then, do your daily freestyles like always and never be remembered.
Second. When he drops an LP lets discuss this shit.
Yeah why is dope and alot better than letter 2 big...why imo is a best song of all time but still were talkin lyrically here...jada overall has never been up there wit crooked imo...yeah crooks made dope traxx like that but jada gets more talk cuz hes a major artist and it was a single...otherwise crook leaves u on ur chair like damn how n the fuck did he jus do that...and thats still...and respect ur ogs is old but damn what a banger
And Ancient Chinese Secret, Papoose used to make me go "Whoa did he just really do that" but I fucking forgot about that mofo for about a year or two until I saw his name on some website. I'm sure soon that will be Crooked's case if he doesn't get his shit together and put out a proper LP release. Shit if Wideawake can do it, why can't he? Just my .02
*kanye shrug*
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Being on a West Coast forum, I'll prob get hate for this, but:
Jadakiss is more of an innovator than Crooked I.
I'll tell you one reason why Crooked is so against his older material being released is so he can go back to his old cataloge of work and re-use it for newer material should his creativity lack. I know it sounds insane, but Crooked I is just a raw MC. Unless he has direction, and people influencing him, he isn't a terrificly good artist, as shown by his lack of exposure. His R&B writing for artists aren't even R&B maintream, so he isn't being cherry picked by big players in the game. Jadakiss has that advatage. He is more artistic in the fact that he has/had a better understanding of how to break thorugh than Crooked. Granted Crooked had the shoulder load of Death Row against him, but other artistic types have flurished onto the mainstream front. Ray J being an immediate example I can think of at the top of my head
As far s lyrical onslaught is concerned Crooked I wins, but overall I'd say Jada
It requires exactly no skill to break through/sell albums.. Crooked I is the BETTER RAPPER.
Remember what the thread title says people.
The question was not ''who sold most'' or ''who is on a major now?''
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Yeah why is dope and alot better than letter 2 big...why imo is a best song of all time but still were talkin lyrically here...jada overall has never been up there wit crooked imo...yeah crooks made dope traxx like that but jada gets more talk cuz hes a major artist and it was a single...otherwise crook leaves u on ur chair like damn how n the fuck did he jus do that...and thats still...and respect ur ogs is old but damn what a banger
Well what the hell is "lyrical" to you? If "Why" is a best song of all time how is it not lyrical? "Why" is a song that actually makes you think about and feel what Jadakiss is saying about all these things in the world. Respect Your OGs is Crooked I name-dropping all the west coast rappers that everyone already knows. Now how is that more lyrical? Ain't that the same shit people make fun of Game for doing? It's a nice dedication to west coast rap but I don't see how it is more lyrical than "Why."
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jadakiss »»» crooked i
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Nah i didnt mean it like that...y is a classic song...respect ur ogs is dope cuz hes callin out names but hes mixin it up wit a twist which is far different than what game has done 4 years...thats jus one crooked song...theres countless crooked songs that are lyrical...but no matter if hes doin a freestylin, feature, solo etc...he outshines everyone every damn time imo...cuz he literally eats the mic, and spits it out...jada doest always leave u like damn what jada jus say? But crooked does it more times than not...str8 up ima fan of muzik and ive listened 2 many rappers especially jada and crooked...cuz lyrical content and all that is a major factor 4 me when it comes 2 muzik...and jada hasnt lived up 2 what he has and could do and hes released albums...alotta complain that crooked dont have a album and holdin that agaisnt him but u dont hold jada and his wack albums agaisnt him? The hate crooked gets is crazy when he 2 this will and should rip and tear most rappers apart...will add more 2 this and finish
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Being on a West Coast forum, I'll prob get hate for this, but:
Jadakiss is more of an innovator than Crooked I.
I'll tell you one reason why Crooked is so against his older material being released is so he can go back to his old cataloge of work and re-use it for newer material should his creativity lack. I know it sounds insane, but Crooked I is just a raw MC. Unless he has direction, and people influencing him, he isn't a terrificly good artist, as shown by his lack of exposure. His R&B writing for artists aren't even R&B maintream, so he isn't being cherry picked by big players in the game. Jadakiss has that advatage. He is more artistic in the fact that he has/had a better understanding of how to break thorugh than Crooked. Granted Crooked had the shoulder load of Death Row against him, but other artistic types have flurished onto the mainstream front. Ray J being an immediate example I can think of at the top of my head
As far s lyrical onslaught is concerned Crooked I wins, but overall I'd say Jada
It requires exactly no skill to break through/sell albums.. Crooked I is the BETTER RAPPER.
Remember what the thread title says people.
The question was not ''who sold most'' or ''who is on a major now?''
read the thread title yourself. It doesn't say who is the best rapper. It just says who is better.
You can't be considered a better artists if you don't even have ONE SINGLE ALBUM. All Crooked I has as his legacy right now is a bunch of loose songs and one Slaughterhouse album.
Its pointless even talking about this until he does something of note to point himself out as an entity in his own right.
How long has Crooked I been in the game for now anyway? 10 years? Maybe even more? LONG time for someone to be around and not even drop one LP. Thats an issue right there.
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like the equal just said it's who is better, and that includes everything,not just random lyrics over everybody else shit,it's impact and everything,i mean crooked got mixtapes with networth songs and he got an ep and a album that even tho he doesn't co sign, now you telling me if you took his best 10 songs and put them against jada's,or a game or 50 cent's 10 that his is "better", i bet you now if crooked got in a cypha right now and lost against one of these young lions out here who just battle and can't make a legit song for shit,the same one's on crooked's dicc now would think the guy who beat him is better based off rhymes for that one day hahaha, but that's what rap is to equals today, battles are cool freestyles are cool, but bottom line people based you off legit songs, hell drake turned his fucc'n mixtape into a fucc'n album,if 50 would have released a couple of those mixtapes before the shady deal as albums they would have made more of an impact then the 12 best crooked songs in his career,it's just facts, yell
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like the equal just said it's who is better, and that includes everything,not just random lyrics over everybody else shit,it's impact and everything,i mean crooked got mixtapes with networth songs and he got an ep and a album that even tho he doesn't co sign, now you telling me if you took his best 10 songs and put them against jada's,or a game or 50 cent's 10 that his is "better", i bet you now if crooked got in a cypha right now and lost against one of these young lions out here who just battle and can't make a legit song for shit,the same one's on crooked's dicc now would think the guy who beat him is better based off rhymes for that one day hahaha, but that's what rap is to equals today, battles are cool freestyles are cool, but bottom line people based you off legit songs, hell drake turned his fucc'n mixtape into a fucc'n album,if 50 would have released a couple of those mixtapes before the shady deal as albums they would have made more of an impact then the 12 best crooked songs in his career,it's just facts, yell
Co sign, crooked calls himself and MC (and even dissed dmx saying he wasnt mc cuz he wasnt well rounded) well legit albums count as being well rounded. ill rape him.
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Jadakiss is still a punchline rapper thou..Both Crooked I and Jada are trash. They might be lyrical but people just dont give a fuck,.But At least Jada was with Biggie,Did songs with Miriah C etc...Crooked I is a 65 year old Grandfather with no album or no legacy..Nigga is an embarasment and a fucking loser.
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I've brought this up several times before but no one's ever given me a legit answer. So if a rapper's greatness is based on their freestyling ability, how come the rap legends that people on here worship as GOATs like 2Pac and Cube aren't/weren't good at freestyling? They don't even use punchlines most of the time.
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remind me of jada's best song or verse?
This comes to mind first:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0-cpL--0AQA
Don't make me talk about the remix.
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Aite ill check that out later...but still crooked not havin a album dont mean shit...how come crooked is wack or after jada when jadas dropped albums but they havent been classic...so if crooked dropped a album u would then say well crooked only dropped one album jadas got 3...this is who can and has rapped better and crooked wins...jadas dope but thats not all the time whereas crooked most of the time is...keep sayin crookeds wack cuz he dont have a album haha and muffuccaz was sayin crooked would b forgotten bout n 2007 if he dont drop..what happened? then same 4 2008? 2009? U still want more muzik and u talkin bout him...and thats cuz hes dope and id b mad if i was jada cuz crooked gets more talk than he does 2 begin wit n the la area which is a huge market but 4 a major artist like jada his name should never die down...what has he done...recently? Letter 2 big? So did biggies son, ex wife, etc...thats a legacy a top 5 dead or alive rapper should leave?
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Aite ill check that out later...but still crooked not havin a album dont mean shit...how come crooked is wack or after jada when jadas dropped albums but they havent been classic...so if crooked dropped a album u would then say well crooked only dropped one album jadas got 3...this is who can and has rapped better and crooked wins...jadas dope but thats not all the time whereas crooked most of the time is...keep sayin crookeds wack cuz he dont have a album haha and muffuccaz was sayin crooked would b forgotten bout n 2007 if he dont drop..what happened? then same 4 2008? 2009? U still want more muzik and u talkin bout him...and thats cuz hes dope and id b mad if i was jada cuz crooked gets more talk than he does 2 begin wit n the la area which is a huge market but 4 a major artist like jada his name should never die down...what has he done...recently? Letter 2 big? So did biggies son, ex wife, etc...thats a legacy a top 5 dead or alive rapper should leave?
I don't understand this.
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Aite ill check that out later...but still crooked not havin a album dont mean shit...how come crooked is wack or after jada when jadas dropped albums but they havent been classic...so if crooked dropped a album u would then say well crooked only dropped one album jadas got 3...this is who can and has rapped better and crooked wins...jadas dope but thats not all the time whereas crooked most of the time is...keep sayin crookeds wack cuz he dont have a album haha and muffuccaz was sayin crooked would b forgotten bout n 2007 if he dont drop..what happened? then same 4 2008? 2009? U still want more muzik and u talkin bout him...and thats cuz hes dope and id b mad if i was jada cuz crooked gets more talk than he does 2 begin wit n the la area which is a huge market but 4 a major artist like jada his name should never die down...what has he done...recently? Letter 2 big? So did biggies son, ex wife, etc...thats a legacy a top 5 dead or alive rapper should leave?
Well first of all, learn how to write a paragraph.
Crooked I gets more talk? Lol, not even close. Way more people talk about Jadakiss. Honestly you sound stupid asking what he's done recently. His last album sold 7 times as much as the Slaughterhouse album in its first week. I doubt you even know that much about Jadakiss's career or you wouldn't be asking that. Where are all these classic songs Crooked I has done? 90% of his music is freestyles over other people's beats. And his completely original songs are pretty average. He hasn't shown yet he knows how to make a song. That's what being lyrical is all about.
Top 5? Neither Crooked I or Jadakiss are top 5. We weren't even speaking on that, we were speaking on who is better between them. Jadakiss has dropped several solid solo albums and then two dope albums with the LOX. He has proven at the very least he can make complete songs and is more than a freestyler. Crooked I hasn't. Neither would be on my GOAT list.
And Letter 2 Big is a dope song any rapper would want to have in their legacy. You just exposed yourself with that comment.
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Crooked I gets outshined by every member of Slaughterhouse on the group joints, doesn't have 1 album, has some of the corniest, weakest bars I have ever heard, bad flow, his claim to fame is dropping freestyles once a week and he's hyping up the release of an EP in a MONTH.
Jada's 3 albums in, I dont even need to explain his case. i'll just link a few album joints he has.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCCEQf0SL0U , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxyqHWGDp6Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9B2U8Qs5Gg , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjH6G00KI3Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyMhXQnoe1o , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaSnGaSLidE
this thread is very unnecessary and disrespectful to an extent
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Jada kiss sold more but was the album dope 4 a jada album and 4 a artist of jadas caliber? And ur makin it seem like sales mean anythin...so since lox or jadas albums moved more than sh hes better? Nah cuz were talkin whos better lyrically...people have always brought up jada n the top 5 dead or alive...crooked the weakest outta sh..haha yeah and joey is the best...sh>>>lox/dblock lyrically
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It's astounding the hate Crooked I gets on this board lol.
Jadakiss is a feature artist for mainstream rappers, nobody listens to his albums, because they honestly aren't that great.
I refuse to count anything with The LOX because nobody gives Crooked I any credit for the Slaughterhouse album.
Jadakiss is dope as fuck, I take nothing from him, he can spit as good as anyone in the game, but on a consistant basis, not like Crooked I; just check the Hip Hop Weekly Series.
Crooked I gets outshined by every member of Slaughterhouse on the group joints, doesn't have 1 album, has some of the corniest, weakest bars I have ever heard, bad flow
Incorrect, Crooked easily has some of the best bars in Slaughterhouse; but judging how you just worded that with "corniest", "weakest" & "bad flow", obviously just a Crooked hater.
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it's funny how the crooked supporters scream you must be a hater if you don't say crooked is better hahaha, i mean damn crooked is dope at what he does, but his original songs do not match up with his freestyles, and again nobody in they right mind can say sh first album is "better" then the lox album, and stop thinking just cause someone puts together a gang of punchlines and meta's it means they are better, a person like a super nat can freestyle longer then a jayz does it means he's a better artist then him? no, and i actually like nat more,but my personal taste doesn't mean overall better, i think i spit better bars then game or leonard roberts any day of the week, but them equals got some songs that a muthafucca can throw on and shut shit down,there fore those guys as of now are" better" then me, it's all about show and prove in all ways, and like that one dude said pac and cube rarely spit punchlines but you can't put no rappers from the west over them equals if you keep it networth, therefore jada over crooked deal with it yell
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Awww shit cham b easy ur from the east and ur sayin crooked is better haha
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Awww shit cham b easy ur from the east and ur sayin crooked is better haha
ok and alot of us is saying jada is better and we are from the west so what does that mean? are you saying since he's from the east and saying it,it makes it better? come on my equal yell
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It's astounding the hate Crooked I gets on this board lol.
Jadakiss is a feature artist for mainstream rappers, nobody listens to his albums, because they honestly aren't that great.
I refuse to count anything with The LOX because nobody gives Crooked I any credit for the Slaughterhouse album.
Jadakiss is dope as fuck, I take nothing from him, he can spit as good as anyone in the game, but on a consistant basis, not like Crooked I; just check the Hip Hop Weekly Series.
We aren't talking about punchline for punchline though. I've already pointed out that neither Cube nor Pac were punchline rappers. Are you saying Crooked I is better than them? There's a reason that rappers like Supernat and MC Juice never come up in GOAT discussions. They have their talent at spitting, but it doesn't necessarily translate into making songs and albums.
Take the best songs from both and Jada comes out on top. Like I said before, Crooked I is a freestyler at heart. He doesn't have any songs on the level of Why.
Fyi, I give Crooked I credit for the Slaughterhouse album. He shone on that album. I actually think he comes across stronger on features and collabs than on his own shit because he gets to focus more on his verse and less about song ideas and concepts. But one good not great album where four emcees all collaborated still isn't proving he can make great music.
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it's funny how the crooked supporters scream you must be a hater if you don't say crooked is better hahaha, i mean damn crooked is dope at what he does, but his original songs do not match up with his freestyles, and again nobody in they right mind can say sh first album is "better" then the lox album, and stop thinking just cause someone puts together a gang of punchlines and meta's it means they are better, a person like a super nat can freestyle longer then a jayz does it means he's a better artist then him? no, and i actually like nat more,but my personal taste doesn't mean overall better, i think i spit better bars then game or leonard roberts any day of the week, but them equals got some songs that a muthafucca can throw on and shut shit down,there fore those guys as of now are" better" then me, it's all about show and prove in all ways, and like that one dude said pac and cube rarely spit punchlines but you can't put no rappers from the west over them equals if you keep it networth, therefore jada over crooked deal with it yell
I don't call people against Crooked haters. He said that his shit was weak & gets outshined on every song. That's blatant hating. I like Joe Budden more than anybody in Slaughterhouse & it's obvious Crooked outshines him on most Slaughterhouse songs.
Awww shit cham b easy ur from the east and ur sayin crooked is better haha
I said Pac was better than Big too lol.
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It's astounding the hate Crooked I gets on this board lol.
Jadakiss is a feature artist for mainstream rappers, nobody listens to his albums, because they honestly aren't that great.
I refuse to count anything with The LOX because nobody gives Crooked I any credit for the Slaughterhouse album.
Jadakiss is dope as fuck, I take nothing from him, he can spit as good as anyone in the game, but on a consistant basis, not like Crooked I; just check the Hip Hop Weekly Series.
We aren't talking about punchline for punchline though. I've already pointed out that neither Cube nor Pac were punchline rappers. Are you saying Crooked I is better than them? There's a reason that rappers like Supernat and MC Juice never come up in GOAT discussions. They have their talent at spitting, but it doesn't necessarily translate into making songs and albums.
Take the best songs from both and Jada comes out on top. Like I said before, Crooked I is a freestyler at heart. He doesn't have any songs on the level of Why.
Fyi, I give Crooked I credit for the Slaughterhouse album. He shone on that album. I actually think he comes across stronger on features and collabs than on his own shit because he gets to focus more on his verse and less about song ideas and concepts. But one good not great album where four emcees all collaborated still isn't proving he can make great music.
Well why aren't we looking at punchlines? That's all Jada is at this point. & how many West Coast artists have a song like "Why" besides Pac? West artists are caught up in gang related, street shit. Speaking of which, how many songs does Jada have like "Why"? All I ever hear him rap about is pulling triggers and shit.
Jada can spit his ass off, but Crooked easily shits on him; if Jada did 52 straight 3 minute freestyles, it would get weak after a while.
& Crooked is probably a better lyricist than Cube & Pac; but Pac & Cube have better songs.
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Jadakiss >>> Crooked I.
Crooked I kinda gets boring after a while whereas Jadakiss has a bit of wit to him which keeps him entertaining. No doubtt crooked i is very technically gifted but somehow doesn't keep me as interested.
And to say nobody listens to Jadakiss albums. Man sold 300k+ with his last album. Crooked i hasnt even got that many youtube views son
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Cham pac is millions times better than big...and like member said crooked is better than pac and cube and jada cant make 52 dope 3 minute freestyles and crooked on a slow song>>>jada on a slow song and box i was playin cham is neutral and gives honest nput which is y i brought it up
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It's astounding the hate Crooked I gets on this board lol.
Jadakiss is a feature artist for mainstream rappers, nobody listens to his albums, because they honestly aren't that great.
I refuse to count anything with The LOX because nobody gives Crooked I any credit for the Slaughterhouse album.
Jadakiss is dope as fuck, I take nothing from him, he can spit as good as anyone in the game, but on a consistant basis, not like Crooked I; just check the Hip Hop Weekly Series.
We aren't talking about punchline for punchline though. I've already pointed out that neither Cube nor Pac were punchline rappers. Are you saying Crooked I is better than them? There's a reason that rappers like Supernat and MC Juice never come up in GOAT discussions. They have their talent at spitting, but it doesn't necessarily translate into making songs and albums.
Take the best songs from both and Jada comes out on top. Like I said before, Crooked I is a freestyler at heart. He doesn't have any songs on the level of Why.
Fyi, I give Crooked I credit for the Slaughterhouse album. He shone on that album. I actually think he comes across stronger on features and collabs than on his own shit because he gets to focus more on his verse and less about song ideas and concepts. But one good not great album where four emcees all collaborated still isn't proving he can make great music.
Well why aren't we looking at punchlines? That's all Jada is at this point. & how many West Coast artists have a song like "Why" besides Pac? West artists are caught up in gang related, street shit. Speaking of which, how many songs does Jada have like "Why"? All I ever hear him rap about is pulling triggers and shit.
Jada can spit his ass off, but Crooked easily shits on him; if Jada did 52 straight 3 minute freestyles, it would get weak after a while.
& Crooked is probably a better lyricist than Cube & Pac; but Pac & Cube have better songs.
I don't understand how you can say a rapper makes better songs but is a weaker lyricist. What do you think being a lyricist is? How is a dude who spits punchlines a great lyricist? You seem to be forgetting the lyrics part of lyricist. A lyricist that means way more than filling your rhymes with basic punchlines. Punchlines are jokes told through rhyme. Why is that lyrical? Lyrics are the words to a song. If you're just freestyling and not making great songs, you're not really a great lyricist. Punchlines can make you laugh or think that something's clever, but they don't make a song. They can add to a song, but if that's all there is then that's not being lyrical. In my opinion Nas is one of the greatest lyricists of all time and he rarely uses punchlines. Same with 2Pac and Cube, they are far better lyricists than Crooked I. Jada is also a better lyricist than Crooked, though clearly not on the same level of the others I've mentioned.
Who would want to hear Jadakiss do 52 freestyles? 52 freestyles from anyone would be boring. I'd much rather hear him making songs that actually have something behind them, whether its about street shit or questioning the system.
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^Pac is known to not be a lyricist, that's not what he's touted for.
Punchlines don't equal being a lyricist, but Nas is the best becase he flows so awesomely & says things a creative way. Pac just came out and said shit, didn't make you think, was saying basic things, just deep things.
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It's astounding the hate Crooked I gets on this board lol.
Jadakiss is a feature artist for mainstream rappers, nobody listens to his albums, because they honestly aren't that great.
I refuse to count anything with The LOX because nobody gives Crooked I any credit for the Slaughterhouse album.
Jadakiss is dope as fuck, I take nothing from him, he can spit as good as anyone in the game, but on a consistant basis, not like Crooked I; just check the Hip Hop Weekly Series.
Crooked I gets outshined by every member of Slaughterhouse on the group joints, doesn't have 1 album, has some of the corniest, weakest bars I have ever heard, bad flow
Incorrect, Crooked easily has some of the best bars in Slaughterhouse; but judging how you just worded that with "corniest", "weakest" & "bad flow", obviously just a Crooked hater.
Don't be rediculous, I'm not a "hater" because I bump some of his shit, if I say some things I dont like about him it's because those are things I don't like about him fuck outta here with this "hater" shit
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^Pac is known to not be a lyricist, that's not what he's touted for.
Punchlines don't equal being a lyricist, but Nas is the best becase he flows so awesomely & says things a creative way. Pac just came out and said shit, didn't make you think, was saying basic things, just deep things.
"didn't make you think" "deep things"
These two phrases don't go together. Pac made a lot of people think. That's why he was so huge and everyone loves him. How the fuck is he not a lyricist? LMAO.
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^Pac is known to not be a lyricist, that's not what he's touted for.
Punchlines don't equal being a lyricist, but Nas is the best becase he flows so awesomely & says things a creative way. Pac just came out and said shit, didn't make you think, was saying basic things, just deep things.
"didn't make you think" "deep things"
These two phrases don't go together. Pac made a lot of people think. That's why he was so huge and everyone loves him. How the fuck is he not a lyricist? LMAO.
As a former hardcore 2Pac fan, he had good lyrics, he had a good following, but I don't consider him a lyricist. He just spat about his life and what he saw. The only reason people thought about it was because they never experienced someone bring political spitting to the forefront. 2Pac was not a lyricist or an MC to me. He was a rapper, and probably the best to ever rap but I don't put him into the category of having lyrics that make you think hard.
Also....
Jadakiss >>>>>>>>> Crooked I
It's almost a tie, but I have to give it to Jada.
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It's astounding the hate Crooked I gets on this board lol.
Jadakiss is a feature artist for mainstream rappers, nobody listens to his albums, because they honestly aren't that great.
I refuse to count anything with The LOX because nobody gives Crooked I any credit for the Slaughterhouse album.
Jadakiss is dope as fuck, I take nothing from him, he can spit as good as anyone in the game, but on a consistant basis, not like Crooked I; just check the Hip Hop Weekly Series.
Crooked I gets outshined by every member of Slaughterhouse on the group joints, doesn't have 1 album, has some of the corniest, weakest bars I have ever heard, bad flow
Incorrect, Crooked easily has some of the best bars in Slaughterhouse; but judging how you just worded that with "corniest", "weakest" & "bad flow", obviously just a Crooked hater.
Don't be rediculous, I'm not a "hater" because I bump some of his shit, if I say some things I dont like about him it's because those are things I don't like about him fuck outta here with this "hater" shit
SC is a huge hater quit tryin to play ppl son
as for Kiss vs Crook....Crook easily its like comparing a dimepiece of a 8
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^Pac is known to not be a lyricist, that's not what he's touted for.
Punchlines don't equal being a lyricist, but Nas is the best becase he flows so awesomely & says things a creative way. Pac just came out and said shit, didn't make you think, was saying basic things, just deep things.
"didn't make you think" "deep things"
These two phrases don't go together. Pac made a lot of people think. That's why he was so huge and everyone loves him. How the fuck is he not a lyricist? LMAO.
They do. "Dear Mama" was deep & real and all that jazz, but you didn't have to think. He was straight forward with his lines. Same goes for "Changes" & "Keep Ya Head Up".
Tanner summed it up well; minus the Jada vs. Crooked part. :P
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^Pac is known to not be a lyricist, that's not what he's touted for.
Punchlines don't equal being a lyricist, but Nas is the best becase he flows so awesomely & says things a creative way. Pac just came out and said shit, didn't make you think, was saying basic things, just deep things.
"didn't make you think" "deep things"
These two phrases don't go together. Pac made a lot of people think. That's why he was so huge and everyone loves him. How the fuck is he not a lyricist? LMAO.
They do. "Dear Mama" was deep & real and all that jazz, but you didn't have to think. He was straight forward with his lines. Same goes for "Changes" & "Keep Ya Head Up".
Tanner summed it up well; minus the Jada vs. Crooked part. :P
The definition of something being "deep" is something that makes you think. Lines being straightforward or not doesn't have all that much to do with the thoughts they inspire.
Crooked I's lines are way more straightforward than Pac's by the way. Do you actually listen to Pac?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TppGxTitkVo
How is this not the work of a lyricist? You're killing me.
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Not to me, something "deep" is just something that is personal with substance.
Like "In Da Club" isn't a deep song; "Many Men" is a deep song. "Drug Ballad" isn't a deep song; "Stan" is.
What you just posted, is lyrical, sure; but it isn't super-duper lyrical; it's mostly Pac just flowing his ass off, like usual.
http://www.youtube.com/v/HjegfTp2LxA That's lyrical to me; where "Dance" isn't lyrical, but without a doubt a better song.
& Crooked I spits with majority dope punchlines, with great word play & wraps it nicely in his flow; he's more lyrical.
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Being a better lyricist but makin weaker songs at the same time makes perfect sense.. Happens all the time
Just not in this case..
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Chams right...what bout dance by nas? Dope slow song wit alotta meanin (if u were talkin bout a different dance)
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I think jadas dope but imo theres not many people who can fuck with crooked when it comes to straight up jst rappin. I dont really care if crooked still aint dropped an album hes still released a shit load of quality material over the years.
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Real talk^^
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Me >>>>> Jada, Crooked. 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
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Not to me, something "deep" is just something that is personal with substance.
Like "In Da Club" isn't a deep song; "Many Men" is a deep song. "Drug Ballad" isn't a deep song; "Stan" is.
What you just posted, is lyrical, sure; but it isn't super-duper lyrical; it's mostly Pac just flowing his ass off, like usual.
http://www.youtube.com/v/HjegfTp2LxA That's lyrical to me; where "Dance" isn't lyrical, but without a doubt a better song.
& Crooked I spits with majority dope punchlines, with great word play & wraps it nicely in his flow; he's more lyrical.
That's a stupid analogy. So gibberish would be more lyrical as long as it uses bigger words? Get out of here. You forget that punchlines are entirely a hip hop phenomenon. The greatest lyricists in music don't even use punchlines.
Crooked I is in no way more lyrical. Even if we were to go by your analogy, Crooked I is more straightforward than Pac in his rhymes. You always know exactly what he's talking about. You've gotta be a major stan to think Crooked I is even close to the lyricist Pac was.
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damn thats crazy imo...who do u think was close c pacs level? Pac gon b rollin n his grave, cuba or africa somewhere if u say biggie or jay-z haha
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damn thats crazy imo...who do u think was close c pacs level? Pac gon b rollin n his grave, cuba or africa somewhere if u say biggie or jay-z haha
In no way is anybody on Pac's level, but in terms of lyricism, plenty surpass him.
Big L is probably considered the most lyrical of all the legends & he used wordplay all the time lol; surprise, surprise?
@ Rapsodie, I never said they use "big words", they just have a godly flow, with great wordplay, allah Eminem, Big L, etc.
Pac had an amazing flow, but he was just straight forward with his lyrics.
I understand your stance on this, you're saying songs like "Dear Mama" & "Changes" are lyrical for what he says, like the substance alone makes him lyrical. That's not what being lyrical means to me though; I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.
I also understand your stance on how Crooked I isn't legally allowed to be compared or in the same sentence as anyone good; which doesn't surprise me I'm debating this with you of all people lol.
I mean, don't you notice how you completely ignored Tanner? He explained Pac but you had no rebuttle to that because it wasn't about Crooked I; you probably at heart don't disagree with what he said; but your mission here is to just put Crooked I in his bad light where he isn't allowed a sliver of credit.
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damn thats crazy imo...who do u think was close c pacs level? Pac gon b rollin n his grave, cuba or africa somewhere if u say biggie or jay-z haha
In no way is anybody on Pac's level, but in terms of lyricism, plenty surpass him.
Big L is probably considered the most lyrical of all the legends & he used wordplay all the time lol; surprise, surprise?
@ Rapsodie, I never said they use "big words", they just have a godly flow, with great wordplay, allah Eminem, Big L, etc.
Pac had an amazing flow, but he was just straight forward with his lyrics.
I understand your stance on this, you're saying songs like "Dear Mama" & "Changes" are lyrical for what he says, like the substance alone makes him lyrical. That's not what being lyrical means to me though; I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree.
I also understand your stance on how Crooked I isn't legally allowed to be compared or in the same sentence as anyone good; which doesn't surprise me I'm debating this with you of all people lol.
I mean, don't you notice how you completely ignored Tanner? He explained Pac but you had no rebuttle to that because it wasn't about Crooked I; you probably at heart don't disagree with what he said; but your mission here is to just put Crooked I in his bad light where he isn't allowed a sliver of credit.
I'm putting Crooked I in a bad light because he's not a better lyricist than a goat contender? :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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I gave Tanner an answer with my answer to you. What is the point of giving a direct rebuttal when he didn't even have much of an argument? You can't throw out words like rapper, lyricist, and MC without explaining what you think is the difference between them. Be real, when you listen to a Pac song or a Crooked I song, which one do you "think harder" about? You think its hating but its just stating the facts. They're called "punchlines" for a reason, because they're easily understood. Where are all these examples of Crooked I verses that are hard to think about?
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So I looked up the word lyrical...
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lyrical
Nothing in there does it say about use of punchlines.
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^Pac is known to not be a lyricist, that's not what he's touted for.
Punchlines don't equal being a lyricist, but Nas is the best becase he flows so awesomely & says things a creative way. Pac just came out and said shit, didn't make you think, was saying basic things, just deep things.
"didn't make you think" "deep things"
These two phrases don't go together. Pac made a lot of people think. That's why he was so huge and everyone loves him. How the fuck is he not a lyricist? LMAO.
They do. "Dear Mama" was deep & real and all that jazz, but you didn't have to think. He was straight forward with his lines. Same goes for "Changes" & "Keep Ya Head Up".
Tanner summed it up well; minus the Jada vs. Crooked part. :P
The definition of something being "deep" is something that makes you think. Lines being straightforward or not doesn't have all that much to do with the thoughts they inspire.
Crooked I's lines are way more straightforward than Pac's by the way. Do you actually listen to Pac?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TppGxTitkVo
How is this not the work of a lyricist? You're killing me.
I've never thought because of a 2Pac song. Let me state that first and foremost. I've listened to his albums and unreleased material for years. There's no double meanings, no real political commentary, etc. It's all the same for every song. I'd put more effort listening to a 2Pac song, but it isn't lyricist material. He's songs are just as simple as Crooked I, because they are all straight to the point.
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that cat be trippin' yo :bandit:
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that cat be trippin' yo :bandit:
Word up to the homie g's on southside 34th Street.
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I don't call people against Crooked haters. He said that his shit was weak & gets outshined on every song. That's blatant hating. I like Joe Budden more than anybody in Slaughterhouse & it's obvious Crooked outshines him on most Slaughterhouse songs.
i agree with that
but the jada and crooked thing it's who's better and you got to judge all around, and i just don't get how anybody can say crooked has proven he's done that? i mean 52 weeks of straight freestyles is impressive,but hell super nat did 8 hours of straight off the dome freestlying and that's more impressive don't you think? no time to sit and think what to write like crooked did, and again does that make him "better" then crooked? no because his recorded shit ain't better,his features are not better,concepts are not better,but i bet if they battled face to face nat would tear a hole in his ass,but then again it doesn't make him better!! and how come none of crooked's songs match what he does on freestlyes? can't say that about jada, and pac made songs for real street equals to feel and understand,i mean lets be honest most hard core gangsta equals (not all) ain't trying to hear all them big words that nas be saying,they want to hear a muthafucca talk exactly how they be talking and pac did that better then anybody, so people can say how fake pac was all they want but networth gangsta's will still tell you that muthafucca spoke that real shit, it ain't that lil wayne shit haha, and when nas talk thug talk who really believes that guy? lets be honest, and it's the same with crooked when he talks about gangsta shit and holding guns and all that who believes him? but when jada does it you believe him!!! shit like that means alot yell
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^Pac is known to not be a lyricist, that's not what he's touted for.
Punchlines don't equal being a lyricist, but Nas is the best becase he flows so awesomely & says things a creative way. Pac just came out and said shit, didn't make you think, was saying basic things, just deep things.
"didn't make you think" "deep things"
These two phrases don't go together. Pac made a lot of people think. That's why he was so huge and everyone loves him. How the fuck is he not a lyricist? LMAO.
They do. "Dear Mama" was deep & real and all that jazz, but you didn't have to think. He was straight forward with his lines. Same goes for "Changes" & "Keep Ya Head Up".
Tanner summed it up well; minus the Jada vs. Crooked part. :P
The definition of something being "deep" is something that makes you think. Lines being straightforward or not doesn't have all that much to do with the thoughts they inspire.
Crooked I's lines are way more straightforward than Pac's by the way. Do you actually listen to Pac?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TppGxTitkVo
How is this not the work of a lyricist? You're killing me.
I've never thought because of a 2Pac song. Let me state that first and foremost. I've listened to his albums and unreleased material for years. There's no double meanings, no real political commentary, etc. It's all the same for every song. I'd put more effort listening to a 2Pac song, but it isn't lyricist material. He's songs are just as simple as Crooked I, because they are all straight to the point.
What is lyricist material then? What do you mean you've never thought listening to a 2Pac song? Why would you be putting more effort into listening to his song if there's nothing there to think about?
I just posted a link to the definition of lyrical.
1. Expressing deep personal emotion or observations
2. Highly enthusiastic; rhapsodic
To me that's the essence of 2Pac's music.
And lol, just noticed "rhapsodic." If I were a rapper I'd have the perfect name.
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Crooked doin 52 3 minute freestyles is dope and better than jada and nat cuz of what he says on some of the dopest beats and even makes wack songs dope...imo same cant b said bout jada and even nat doin a 8 hour freestyle...crooked leaves u shook and leanin 2 tha side....he gets hatred on another level cuz he dont have a album...but like i said everyone would find somethin or someway 2 hate on him
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I don't call people against Crooked haters. He said that his shit was weak & gets outshined on every song. That's blatant hating. I like Joe Budden more than anybody in Slaughterhouse & it's obvious Crooked outshines him on most Slaughterhouse songs.
i agree with that
but the jada and crooked thing it's who's better and you got to judge all around, and i just don't get how anybody can say crooked has proven he's done that? i mean 52 weeks of straight freestyles is impressive,but hell super nat did 8 hours of straight off the dome freestlying and that's more impressive don't you think? no time to sit and think what to write like crooked did, and again does that make him "better" then crooked? no because his recorded shit ain't better,his features are not better,concepts are not better,but i bet if they battled face to face nat would tear a hole in his ass,but then again it doesn't make him better!! and how come none of crooked's songs match what he does on freestlyes? can't say that about jada, and pac made songs for real street equals to feel and understand,i mean lets be honest most hard core gangsta equals (not all) ain't trying to hear all them big words that nas be saying,they want to hear a muthafucca talk exactly how they be talking and pac did that better then anybody, so people can say how fake pac was all they want but networth gangsta's will still tell you that muthafucca spoke that real shit, it ain't that lil wayne shit haha, and when nas talk thug talk who really believes that guy? lets be honest, and it's the same with crooked when he talks about gangsta shit and holding guns and all that who believes him? but when jada does it you believe him!!! shit like that means alot yell
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Before the hhw series i hadnt really heard much of crooked only really boom boom clap and a few other songs. The series is what made a fan of crooked. Dont think there was aweak freestyle n he killed the second coming beat n the finale was clasic shit.
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^Pac is known to not be a lyricist, that's not what he's touted for.
Punchlines don't equal being a lyricist, but Nas is the best becase he flows so awesomely & says things a creative way. Pac just came out and said shit, didn't make you think, was saying basic things, just deep things.
"didn't make you think" "deep things"
These two phrases don't go together. Pac made a lot of people think. That's why he was so huge and everyone loves him. How the fuck is he not a lyricist? LMAO.
They do. "Dear Mama" was deep & real and all that jazz, but you didn't have to think. He was straight forward with his lines. Same goes for "Changes" & "Keep Ya Head Up".
Tanner summed it up well; minus the Jada vs. Crooked part. :P
The definition of something being "deep" is something that makes you think. Lines being straightforward or not doesn't have all that much to do with the thoughts they inspire.
Crooked I's lines are way more straightforward than Pac's by the way. Do you actually listen to Pac?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TppGxTitkVo
How is this not the work of a lyricist? You're killing me.
I've never thought because of a 2Pac song. Let me state that first and foremost. I've listened to his albums and unreleased material for years. There's no double meanings, no real political commentary, etc. It's all the same for every song. I'd put more effort listening to a 2Pac song, but it isn't lyricist material. He's songs are just as simple as Crooked I, because they are all straight to the point.
What is lyricist material then? What do you mean you've never thought listening to a 2Pac song? Why would you be putting more effort into listening to his song if there's nothing there to think about?
I just posted a link to the definition of lyrical.
1. Expressing deep personal emotion or observations
2. Highly enthusiastic; rhapsodic
To me that's the essence of 2Pac's music.
And lol, just noticed "rhapsodic." If I were a rapper I'd have the perfect name.
The reason I put more effort into listening to it was because 2Pac is a better artist than Crooked I, and I put more thought listening to 2Pac because of that. Crooked I's not a lyricist either. They are both just rappers. 2Pac has emotion and flow in his delivery, if he didn't have that - you wouldn't think of him being a lyricist.
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The reason I put more effort into listening to it was because 2Pac is a better artist than Crooked I, and I put more thought listening to 2Pac because of that. Crooked I's not a lyricist either. They are both just rappers.
You still haven't explained what you believe a lyricist is, nor named any examples. 2Pac, Ice Cube, Chuck D, names like these are considered some of the finest lyricists in hip hop.
2Pac has emotion and flow in his delivery, if he didn't have that - you wouldn't think of him being a lyricist.
True, but that would be the same case for any rapper. It's called being a "lyricist" because its someone who makes music. If they don't have at least basic flow or delivery it wouldn't be worth listening to. Also you seem to be downplaying the creativity in 2Pac's lyrics. Before him there wasn't really anyone else getting as deeply personal with the music.
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The reason I put more effort into listening to it was because 2Pac is a better artist than Crooked I, and I put more thought listening to 2Pac because of that. Crooked I's not a lyricist either. They are both just rappers.
You still haven't explained what you believe a lyricist is, nor named any examples. 2Pac, Ice Cube, Chuck D, names like these are considered some of the finest lyricists in hip hop.
Nas is a lyricist, Immortal Technique is a lyricist, Joe Budden is a lyricist, those are lyricists. Why? Great word play, great lyrics.
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The reason I put more effort into listening to it was because 2Pac is a better artist than Crooked I, and I put more thought listening to 2Pac because of that. Crooked I's not a lyricist either. They are both just rappers.
You still haven't explained what you believe a lyricist is, nor named any examples. 2Pac, Ice Cube, Chuck D, names like these are considered some of the finest lyricists in hip hop.
Nas is a lyricist, Immortal Technique is a lyricist, Joe Budden is a lyricist, those are lyricists. Why? Great word play, great lyrics.
Budden and not Pac? Lol. Budden lyrics aren't any harder to understand than Pac. You fail.
Immortal Technique only requires more thought because he references political events and situations that his main fanbase (white boys from suburbia) are not familiar with. It's a case of knowledge, not being harder to get. One of his most lyrical songs, Dance With the Devil, is actually quite easy to understand. It's the storytelling and compelling emotions it provokes (along with the shock ending) that make it such a lyrical masterpiece.
Nas's style revolves around half-formed thoughts and imagery. Imagine him using that style to make a Dear Mama song or a Keep Your Head Up song. You would come away from those songs not knowing if he loves his mama or what message he's telling women. Those are examples where he'd be a worse lyricist, not better.
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When Pac has a song like "Exxxes" come see me lol.
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Jada>>>Crook
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Crooked doin 52 3 minute freestyles is dope and better than jada and nat cuz of what he says on some of the dopest beats and even makes wack songs dope...imo same cant b said bout jada and even nat doin a 8 hour freestyle...crooked leaves u shook and leanin 2 tha side....he gets hatred on another level cuz he dont have a album...but like i said everyone would find somethin or someway 2 hate on him
crooked ain't leave me like that on all those, and see that's the thing you are going off what "YOU" feel,and not on legit comparison, a simple match up proves jada takes it, i mean jayz got like 12 albums big got 2,but big was better, hell jay still quote'n from those two albums, some of hov's best songs should be co-credited like a dr dre production hahaha,but on some networth shit ancient just put those two up against one another and who wins? i mean crooked did 52 weeks of nice rhyming and still couldn't get a album out after that, it's the same as papoose all that rhyming means nothing if you are not making your "own" creative material that even your own fans go crazy over, i mean he had weapon face pig waist or whatever it was called,i don't hear his fans quoted that,i don't even hear of it spoke of as a slept on classic ep, shit came out after his 52 weeks yet when people mention crooked they skip over that like it didn't happen and just talk 52 weeks, and then you got to look at it from this point,those classic songs he rip'd muthafuccas still think of the original's more then crooked, it's about IMPACT! yell
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When Pac has a song like "Exxxes" come see me lol.
What happened to you Cham, you disappeared for a minute. Did you give up on thinking Crooked I is a better lyricist than Pac?
That was a bad song choice to use. It's actually one of the weaker attempts at a metaphorical song that I've heard. Supposedly he's talking about his depression but his lyrics are all over the place and he doesn't make a legitimate comparison where you would see the similarities. Pac's Me and My Girlfriend was a much more effective song at using a woman as a metaphor.
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What do you want me to say? You're not going to convince me Pac was one of the great lyricists & I'm not going to convince you Crooked I is good at anything; it's pointless argument.
I suppose "In My Sleep" is the better Budden song to use anyway; but shit, I love "Exxxes" lol.
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What do you want me to say? You're not going to convince me Pac was one of the great lyricists & I'm not going to convince you Crooked I is good at anything; it's pointless argument.
I suppose "In My Sleep" is the better Budden song to use anyway; but shit, I love "Exxxes" lol.
Pac's already regarded as one of the great lyricists in hip hop, so I don't really have to convince anyone in that regard. You're the one who came out saying Crooked I was a better lyricist for shock value. For one, I linked you to the definition of lyrical and there was nothing there about something having more punchlines or being "harder to get". And secondly, even with your analogy, Crooked I's rhymes are as straight forward as Pac's. I listen to a lot of Crooked I but I haven't heard everything so maybe I missed something. Where are all these examples of Crooked I spitting complicated rhymes that are hard to get?
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The reason I put more effort into listening to it was because 2Pac is a better artist than Crooked I, and I put more thought listening to 2Pac because of that. Crooked I's not a lyricist either. They are both just rappers.
You still haven't explained what you believe a lyricist is, nor named any examples. 2Pac, Ice Cube, Chuck D, names like these are considered some of the finest lyricists in hip hop.
Nas is a lyricist, Immortal Technique is a lyricist, Joe Budden is a lyricist, those are lyricists. Why? Great word play, great lyrics.
Budden and not Pac? Lol. Budden lyrics aren't any harder to understand than Pac. You fail.
Immortal Technique only requires more thought because he references political events and situations that his main fanbase (white boys from suburbia) are not familiar with. It's a case of knowledge, not being harder to get. One of his most lyrical songs, Dance With the Devil, is actually quite easy to understand. It's the storytelling and compelling emotions it provokes (along with the shock ending) that make it such a lyrical masterpiece.
Nas's style revolves around half-formed thoughts and imagery. Imagine him using that style to make a Dear Mama song or a Keep Your Head Up song. You would come away from those songs not knowing if he loves his mama or what message he's telling women. Those are examples where he'd be a worse lyricist, not better.
Since you can't take an argument and you must always have the need to feel you're right because this is my opinion not an argument of right or wrong. So, Mr. Thread Killah which you so totally are, I only have this to say...
http://www.youtube.com/v/dmuIY4IZaNE
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And thread killah wins the debate ;D
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You post a definition of lyrical? That's your big thing? Pac isn't regarded as one of the great lyricists, as Tanner said; he's regarded as the greatest rapper.
But the Yankees are the greatest Baseball team ever, but that doesn't automatically mean they are the best in every aspect of the game. They don't have the greatest pitching, but they are still the greatest overall. Same goes for Pac. He isn't the greatest lyrically, but he's still the greatest.
I didn't say it for shock value, I said it because you OBVIOUSLY overrate Pac in terms of lyrics lmfao.
Word play is what makes Crooked lyrical; I don't feel like posting every Hip Hop Weekly for you, so you can Youtube what you like.
It's not that Crooked I leaves you re-checking the song to figure out the true meaning; but it's more to think about.
I forget the song but Crooked I, ironically enough said "We don't just rhyme words, we did that in kindergarten", where Pac, like Tanner said, just spat what he saw. "I see no changes, all I see is racist faces."; that's just absurdly straight forward lol. Maybe Crooked I isn't as deep, but that doesn't mean he isn't more lyrical with the word play.
So like I said, you're not going to convince me Pac was the greatest lyricist & I consider Pac the GOAT & I'm not going to convince you that Crooked I is worthy of winning an argument he's in lmfao.
I also don't think Crooked is the greatest lyricst either, but he's more a lyricist than Pac in my eyes. I mean, you're SO fond of thinking Crooked's lack of albums & lack of "deep song" automatically makes him wack everywhere, but you're not convincing me with a little definition & I'm obviously not conving you past your obsession with Crooked lol.
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You post a definition of lyrical? That's your big thing? Pac isn't regarded as one of the great lyricists, as Tanner said; he's regarded as the greatest rapper.
But the Yankees are the greatest Baseball team ever, but that doesn't automatically mean they are the best in every aspect of the game. They don't have the greatest pitching, but they are still the greatest overall. Same goes for Pac. He isn't the greatest lyrically, but he's still the greatest.
I didn't say it for shock value, I said it because you OBVIOUSLY overrate Pac in terms of lyrics lmfao.
Word play is what makes Crooked lyrical; I don't feel like posting every Hip Hop Weekly for you, so you can Youtube what you like.
It's not that Crooked I leaves you re-checking the song to figure out the true meaning; but it's more to think about.
I forget the song but Crooked I, ironically enough said "We don't just rhyme words, we did that in kindergarten", where Pac, like Tanner said, just spat what he saw. "I see no changes, all I see is racist faces."; that's just absurdly straight forward lol. Maybe Crooked I isn't as deep, but that doesn't mean he isn't more lyrical with the word play.
So like I said, you're not going to convince me Pac was the greatest lyricist & I consider Pac the GOAT & I'm not going to convince you that Crooked I is worthy of winning an argument he's in lmfao.
I also don't think Crooked is the greatest lyricst either, but he's more a lyricist than Pac in my eyes. I mean, you're SO fond of thinking Crooked's lack of albums & lack of "deep song" automatically makes him wack everywhere, but you're not convincing me with a little definition & I'm obviously not conving you past your obsession with Crooked lol.
okay, so can you give me just one example of a Crooked I song that isn't straightforward, since Pac's to-the-point nature is why you think he isn't a great lyricist? I swear I can't think of one. Also, when have I called him wack? You can't honestly be mad that I don't think he's as great as a rapper everyone calls the goat?
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I don't think he's near as good a rapper as Tupac myself, but he's a better lyricist to me.
& like I said, there are 52 examples on Youtube.
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i just got to ask who is the everybody that says pac is the goat? i hope yall don't mean of hip hop? yell
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i just got to ask who is the everybody that says pac is the goat? i hope yall don't mean of hip hop? yell
lmfao, obviously. Whose better than Pac?
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this thread is some enyce level retarded shit
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Box..again crook didnt get a album out correct...but jada did and what was so special about those? Correct not all 52 freestyles were fire but most of em were better than what jada has done...if jada could do better y wouldnt he? He shouldnt get a billboard out here on the west...and have it read...ay crooked how it feel 2 b stranded on tha west wit no album? Muffuccaz would spray that up wit ay jada release a dope album and then u can talk...or call crooked if u wanna make 52 freestyles n year every week...haha but nah imo jada is dope but cant c crooked
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Box..again crook didnt get a album out correct...but jada did and what was so special about those? Correct not all 52 freestyles were fire but most of em were better than what jada has done...if jada could do better y wouldnt he? He shouldnt get a billboard out here on the west...and have it read...ay crooked how it feel 2 b stranded on tha west wit no album? Muffuccaz would spray that up wit ay jada release a dope album and then u can talk...or call crooked if u wanna make 52 freestyles n year every week...haha but nah imo jada is dope but cant c crooked
this thread is some enyce level retarded shit
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Jadakiss is fucking horrible stupid question
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thread lock plz? euro wiggers talking about lyricists is lame ::)
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give em time...pop that jeezy, plies, rick ross, mobb deep, etc...cd back in...haha
i just got to ask who is the everybody that says pac is the goat? i hope yall don't mean of hip hop? yell
lmfao, obviously. Whose better than Pac?
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I don't think he's near as good a rapper as Tupac myself, but he's a better lyricist to me.
& like I said, there are 52 examples on Youtube.
And you can't post even one of them? You claim 2Pac isn't a great lyricist because he is easy to understand, but Crooked I is even easier to understand. Aside from cramming multis into every line there's no depth to him.
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I'm chalking up this thread as a win for me, discussing lyricists with people who don't even know the meaning of the word lyrical.
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I really wouldn't. The past three pages of this thread have been basically a few posters talking gibberish about something not even related to the initial thread. No-one came out as a winner from this one.
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Crooked came out a winner...cuz he can spit better than jada...thats y they not on an "official" song otherwise jada would be slaughterhoused
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Crooked came out a winner...cuz he can spit better than jada...thats y they not on an "official" song otherwise jada would be slaughterhoused
Looks like someone hasn't learnt their lesson yet.
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I really wouldn't. The past three pages of this thread have been basically a few posters talking gibberish about something not even related to the initial thread. No-one came out as a winner from this one.
take your L and go
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Haha where u @ jada wit them wack albums?
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Haha where u @ jada wit them wack albums?
Probably somewhere looking down at Crooked I "wit them nonexistent albums"
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Jada got some cool lyrics, but his flow is boooring. Id much rather listen to Crook.
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This dude with his Plated Ice chains over the pair of them lol 8)
http://www.youtube.com/v/cNb9aRBol5w
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http://www.youtube.com/v/mPLLtXFqc-A&
Content, flow, superb rhyming! No Pac flow, no Pac voice, not as touching, but don't argue bout deepness.
As I understand the meaning, Pac was an overall better lyricist, though, who's just far away from being the best regarding technique.
Who's the better painter, the one who paints photorealistic pictures or the one who can express everything he wants with a rather simplistic style that is far more vivid and vigorous?
I enjoy listening to Crooked much better, but there's more to being the better lyricist then writing the (far) better rhymes. So Crook, to me, is the better rapper but not lyricist.
It's all about definition I guess...
Edit: I refuse to even compare Jada to Crook. He's no animal with a mechanical mandibel! 8)
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http://www.youtube.com/v/mPLLtXFqc-A&
Content, flow, superb rhyming! No Pac flow, no Pac voice, not as touching, but don't argue bout deepness.
As I understand the meaning, Pac was an overall better lyricist, though, who's just far away from being the best regarding technique.
Who's the better painter, the one who paints photorealistic pictures or the one who can express everything he wants with a rather simplistic style that is far more vivid and vigorous?
I enjoy listening to Crooked much better, but there's more to being the better lyricist then writing the (far) better rhymes. So Crook, to me, is the better rapper but not lyricist.
It's all about definition I guess...
Edit: I refuse to even compare Jada to Crook. He's no animal with a mechanical mandibel! 8)
that painter quote is networth my equal,especially when you are covering a deep subject,pac did that better then anybody and that's his legacy, and i don't know when i hear crooked's original material alot of it bore's me,like this song you put up,i felt nothing at all, and again comparing that t o jada's why it's no comparison jada eats that up, and bacc to what you said about the painter, jada's pic was more vivid, crooked's seem like he said "i'm gonna write a deep song today" yell
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You know what? Lets just settle this. Both MCs suck dick.
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You know what? Lets just settle this. Both MCs suck dick.
hahaha you a nut my equal,we can say as solo artist they have yet to make a great album/ep yell
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http://www.youtube.com/v/mPLLtXFqc-A&
Content, flow, superb rhyming! No Pac flow, no Pac voice, not as touching, but don't argue bout deepness.
As I understand the meaning, Pac was an overall better lyricist, though, who's just far away from being the best regarding technique.
Who's the better painter, the one who paints photorealistic pictures or the one who can express everything he wants with a rather simplistic style that is far more vivid and vigorous?
I enjoy listening to Crooked much better, but there's more to being the better lyricist then writing the (far) better rhymes. So Crook, to me, is the better rapper but not lyricist.
It's all about definition I guess...
Edit: I refuse to even compare Jada to Crook. He's no animal with a mechanical mandibel! 8)
that painter quote is networth my equal,especially when you are covering a deep subject,pac did that better then anybody and that's his legacy, and i don't know when i hear crooked's original material alot of it bore's me,like this song you put up,i felt nothing at all, and again comparing that t o jada's why it's no comparison jada eats that up, and bacc to what you said about the painter, jada's pic was more vivid, crooked's seem like he said "i'm gonna write a deep song today" yell
Ultimately, it's all in the eye of the beholder... wich doesn't mean that we couldn't argue all day bout it! 8)
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Some hate crooked so much they denial that crooked is better and jada got wack albums
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you got to admit ancient that crooked got a wacc ep and those blocc obama's wasn't great, it's funny how his fans are in denial, y'all equals hear punchlines and sims and swear that makes a mc the greatest, yet yall can't put no original songs out there that match his mixtape shit, and for such a quote heavy mc i ain't see nobody put up none of them lines from that ep, y'all act like that does not count or something, they put out a death row wide awake album of his songs and tho (old) Y'all ain't speak on none of them as classics,yet he's the better rapper, one day y'all are gonna long that just spit'n random bars and actual song writing is a totally different thing, hell why you think crooked himself holds guys like pac and big in such high esteem, one day y'all will keep it networth yell
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Box ive always said them tapes aint nuthin up 2 what crooked can do as far as destroyin a song and that he does...so im not n denial but how come its all on crooked...what bout them wack jada albums? How come noone brings up that wack shit? But they bring up jada jus sold this much? As if numbers mean shit 2 a underground rapper? U want 2 hate on crook..thats cool but dont act like jadas got perfect attendance...haha
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Box ive always said them tapes aint nuthin up 2 what crooked can do as far as destroyin a song and that he does...so im not n denial but how come its all on crooked...what bout them wack jada albums? How come noone brings up that wack shit? But they bring up jada jus sold this much? As if numbers mean shit 2 a underground rapper? U want 2 hate on crook..thats cool but dont act like jadas got perfect attendance...haha
what wack albums?
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What albums? C thats the hate crooked but u treat jada like a king when he cant and hasnt made a dope album period
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ive never heard a jadakis album i liked...for each album hes made it seemed like there was 2 meh tracks for every good one, but some how i still consider myself a fan...i love his voice and flow.
however he did fuck up the vibe on maybach music 3
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What albums? C thats the hate crooked but u treat jada like a king when he cant and hasnt made a dope album period
have you even listened to Jada's album?
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Why do I still see this same tired argument that Crooked doesn't have any sick original songs? Are people just not listening, not aware of the music or just hating? Could it be a combination of all three... Please let me know, cause I can recommend some great songs of his.
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Why do I still see this same tired argument that Crooked doesn't have any sick original songs? Are people just not listening, not aware of the music or just hating? Could it be a combination of all three... Please let me know, cause I can recommend some great songs of his.
Go ahead. I've probably heard most of what you're going to recommend. Crook has some decent songs but the deal is that his best songs don't match up to other artists' best songs.
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this reminds me of the time when i was told Lil Wayne is better than Eminem
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this reminds me of the time when i was told Lil Wayne is better than Eminem
but Crooked I's punchlines are way better and less retarded than Lil Wayne's. And Jada ain't close to Eminem.
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Box ive always said them tapes aint nuthin up 2 what crooked can do as far as destroyin a song and that he does...so im not n denial but how come its all on crooked...what bout them wack jada albums? How come noone brings up that wack shit? But they bring up jada jus sold this much? As if numbers mean shit 2 a underground rapper? U want 2 hate on crook..thats cool but dont act like jadas got perfect attendance...haha
once again, how is he hating. he´s not saying everything crooked has put out is crap , something you´re doing when you talk about jada.
i don´t think anyone is saying crooked i can´t rap, imo he has some great verses but i don´t want to listen to a whole mixtape full of freestyles over other people´s beats . the mixtape flood of the last decade killed it for me , what ever happened to full albums that need to be listened as a whole .
a theme album / a full album in general >>> bunch of freestyles and punchlines . there´s room for both in the music industry , and every artist has some hardcore fans, even if you´re just a big name in your own neighborhood .
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Nah ur wrong tho...jadas a dope rapper...but 4 bein a dope rapper he hasnt done what a nas did by releasin dope albums...are all of nas albums dope? No but most of em are...jada dont have a good album but hes dope...now crooked...effex imo its 2 things here that give people their hate and input on crooked...1.fact he dont have a album (which i dont care for cuz the muzik hes dropped has been dope and most of it was free) jada dropped wack muzik and most of it Wasnt free! 2.how crooked raps punchlines etc...which again 2 me is dope...and here a bonus for ya haters 3. b4 he even joined sh crooked was dope etc...then they start doin songs etc...crooked is now the worst rapper n the group etc...which is laughable imo...again dont get it twisted ima always b lookin 4 more jada muzik but chances of him droppin somethin thats as dope as his dopest wok (which isnt usually his own) arent good...and yeah ive listened 2 jadas muzik...i own his albums and again nuthin special..i wish they were
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this reminds me of the time when i was told Lil Wayne is better than Eminem
but Crooked I's punchlines are way better and less retarded than Lil Wayne's. And Jada ain't close to Eminem.
I don't want to speak for him, but I think he means, Crooked I (Eminem) is clearly better than Jada (Lil' Wayne), but suckas got it confused.
Or vice versa. Regardless though, it's a terrible comparison lol.
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STUPID TOPIC. you could also pick out any rapper and compare em.
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Nah ur wrong tho...jadas a dope rapper...but 4 bein a dope rapper he hasnt done what a nas did by releasin dope albums...are all of nas albums dope? No but most of em are...jada dont have a good album but hes dope...now crooked...effex imo its 2 things here that give people their hate and input on crooked...1.fact he dont have a album (which i dont care for cuz the muzik hes dropped has been dope and most of it was free) jada dropped wack muzik and most of it Wasnt free! 2.how crooked raps punchlines etc...which again 2 me is dope...and here a bonus for ya haters 3. b4 he even joined sh crooked was dope etc...then they start doin songs etc...crooked is now the worst rapper n the group etc...which is laughable imo...again dont get it twisted ima always b lookin 4 more jada muzik but chances of him droppin somethin thats as dope as his dopest wok (which isnt usually his own) arent good...and yeah ive listened 2 jadas muzik...i own his albums and again nuthin special..i wish they were
^^^ see this is where you get it fucc'd up at my equal, nobody is saying crooked is wacc, we are saying his original material doesn't match what he does over other's shit, and who said jada has classic albums? his albums have been better then those crooked i ep/mixtape/street album with original music on it, and that death row wide awake album of his original music doesn't compare to jada's shit and he's the one who recorded the songs!!! ancient you are in denial my equal, again you are confusing "who you prefer" with "better". and why do we have to hate crooked i if we think jada has put out the better combination of freestyles and original music then crooked? i mean you said jada is a dope rapper yo self! and all i ask is for you to compare there original music against one another, just cause crooked ain't had no solo album he co-signs doesn't mean he doesn't have material out there that could be compared against jada's. fucc the sound quality and all that bullshit,i'm talking about the songs,impact,feeling etc. i'm comparing the artist on that, it's like if i compared mc shan to krsone, tho i like shan more and even felt his songs more,it doesn't make him the better overall artist just the one i like more yell
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Ancient, have you even listened to Jadakiss's albums?
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nah its the overall hate crooked gets for not havin a album, the way he raps etc....
crooked's og material>>>>jada og material
crooked makes you think what he jus said....
how am i in denial? cuz I think crookeds better...dont care if im the only 1 that thinks hes better...but IMO he is
look jada is dope but for bein in the game as long as he has he should been have released alot....alot more doper material
now hold up before anyone says well shit crooked dont have a album so thats even or whatever
again crooked dont have a album...but his og material is mad dope and IMO better than jada's
crookeds impact on a song is like a earthquake....jadas impact isnt as strong all the time as crookeds is
jada is a dope rapper but hes dope when at random times and mos def not the best on his albums...he be pickin some of the wackest beats
i already told you i listened to alot of jada....nuthin special
Nah ur wrong tho...jadas a dope rapper...but 4 bein a dope rapper he hasnt done what a nas did by releasin dope albums...are all of nas albums dope? No but most of em are...jada dont have a good album but hes dope...now crooked...effex imo its 2 things here that give people their hate and input on crooked...1.fact he dont have a album (which i dont care for cuz the muzik hes dropped has been dope and most of it was free) jada dropped wack muzik and most of it Wasnt free! 2.how crooked raps punchlines etc...which again 2 me is dope...and here a bonus for ya haters 3. b4 he even joined sh crooked was dope etc...then they start doin songs etc...crooked is now the worst rapper n the group etc...which is laughable imo...again dont get it twisted ima always b lookin 4 more jada muzik but chances of him droppin somethin thats as dope as his dopest wok (which isnt usually his own) arent good...and yeah ive listened 2 jadas muzik...i own his albums and again nuthin special..i wish they were
^^^ see this is where you get it fucc'd up at my equal, nobody is saying crooked is wacc, we are saying his original material doesn't match what he does over other's shit, and who said jada has classic albums? his albums have been better then those crooked i ep/mixtape/street album with original music on it, and that death row wide awake album of his original music doesn't compare to jada's shit and he's the one who recorded the songs!!! ancient you are in denial my equal, again you are confusing "who you prefer" with "better". and why do we have to hate crooked i if we think jada has put out the better combination of freestyles and original music then crooked? i mean you said jada is a dope rapper yo self! and all i ask is for you to compare there original music against one another, just cause crooked ain't had no solo album he co-signs doesn't mean he doesn't have material out there that could be compared against jada's. fucc the sound quality and all that bullshit,i'm talking about the songs,impact,feeling etc. i'm comparing the artist on that, it's like if i compared mc shan to krsone, tho i like shan more and even felt his songs more,it doesn't make him the better overall artist just the one i like more yell
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nah its the overall hate crooked gets for not havin a album, the way he raps etc....
crooked's og material>>>>jada og material
crooked makes you think what he jus said....
how am i in denial? cuz I think crookeds better...dont care if im the only 1 that thinks hes better...but IMO he is
look jada is dope but for bein in the game as long as he has he should been have released alot....alot more doper material
now hold up before anyone says well shit crooked dont have a album so thats even or whatever
again crooked dont have a album...but his og material is mad dope and IMO better than jada's
crookeds impact on a song is like a earthquake....jadas impact isnt as strong all the time as crookeds is
jada is a dope rapper but hes dope when at random times and mos def not the best on his albums...he be pickin some of the wackest beats
i already told you i listened to alot of jada....nuthin special
Nah ur wrong tho...jadas a dope rapper...but 4 bein a dope rapper he hasnt done what a nas did by releasin dope albums...are all of nas albums dope? No but most of em are...jada dont have a good album but hes dope...now crooked...effex imo its 2 things here that give people their hate and input on crooked...1.fact he dont have a album (which i dont care for cuz the muzik hes dropped has been dope and most of it was free) jada dropped wack muzik and most of it Wasnt free! 2.how crooked raps punchlines etc...which again 2 me is dope...and here a bonus for ya haters 3. b4 he even joined sh crooked was dope etc...then they start doin songs etc...crooked is now the worst rapper n the group etc...which is laughable imo...again dont get it twisted ima always b lookin 4 more jada muzik but chances of him droppin somethin thats as dope as his dopest wok (which isnt usually his own) arent good...and yeah ive listened 2 jadas muzik...i own his albums and again nuthin special..i wish they were
^^^ see this is where you get it fucc'd up at my equal, nobody is saying crooked is wacc, we are saying his original material doesn't match what he does over other's shit, and who said jada has classic albums? his albums have been better then those crooked i ep/mixtape/street album with original music on it, and that death row wide awake album of his original music doesn't compare to jada's shit and he's the one who recorded the songs!!! ancient you are in denial my equal, again you are confusing "who you prefer" with "better". and why do we have to hate crooked i if we think jada has put out the better combination of freestyles and original music then crooked? i mean you said jada is a dope rapper yo self! and all i ask is for you to compare there original music against one another, just cause crooked ain't had no solo album he co-signs doesn't mean he doesn't have material out there that could be compared against jada's. fucc the sound quality and all that bullshit,i'm talking about the songs,impact,feeling etc. i'm comparing the artist on that, it's like if i compared mc shan to krsone, tho i like shan more and even felt his songs more,it doesn't make him the better overall artist just the one i like more yell
ancient my equal you hella bias haha,but i guess it's your decision and your sticc'n with it to the end, good fan fo shoulders,but as far as judging nah, what earthquake has crooked made? where are his classic songs? move on and microphone are dope as fucc,but again where's his classic songs? what dent has any of his disses to others made? he made a diss to snoop and suge ain't even wanna release it even as a buzz single!!!! yet he makes earthquakes,i ain't seen the equal shake nothing, he's in a crew of ill lyricist and all they gave us was puns,metaphors,similes. match they songs up,solo and group wise ancient, you letting favoritism get the best of you on this one, i have no real ties to known of these guys but matching them up come on my equals haha, it's like a vanilla ice fan saying he was better then mc hammer hahahahaha, 2 dope cats and one has made better music and it's jada, now put up 5-10 of each best songs group and solo wise,i'll wait or i'll do it you just got to give me the crooked songs tho yell
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Ancient, have you even listened to Jadakiss's albums?
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Hows that hella bias? Haha im sayin jada is dope but hes like cali sunshine...random wheather wit his random dopeness of spittin...i have a gang of crooked songs...dont even know the names of all of em...but some dope ones: everysingle day, all i ever wanted, respect ur ogs, str8 bosses, creased khaki flow, boom boom clap, nwa, wack mcs,mr pig face etc...thats jus a few of str8 dopeness...now does jada have dope traxx? Yeah but i cant listen 2 them as much as crooked cuz he dont live up to the impact on his muzik all the time whereas crooked does...does jada have classic diss records? Crooked dont but what he was spittin on slap back was dope...if i was bias id say jadas wack...rakims wack etc... no guccis wack and jada needs 2 release more dope muzik cuz he can
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Ancient, have you even listened to Jadakiss's albums?
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Jada is legend man
[/quote]Crooked is cool but Jada is legend man
LETS NOT GO OVERBOARD
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Haha hes a legend jus as much as crooked is
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Hows that hella bias? Haha im sayin jada is dope but hes like cali sunshine...random wheather wit his random dopeness of spittin...i have a gang of crooked songs...dont even know the names of all of em...but some dope ones: everysingle day, all i ever wanted, respect ur ogs, str8 bosses, creased khaki flow, boom boom clap, nwa, wack mcs,mr pig face etc...thats jus a few of str8 dopeness...now does jada have dope traxx? Yeah but i cant listen 2 them as much as crooked cuz he dont live up to the impact on his muzik all the time whereas crooked does...does jada have classic diss records? Crooked dont but what he was spittin on slap back was dope...if i was bias id say jadas wack...rakims wack etc... no guccis wack and jada needs 2 release more dope muzik cuz he can
boom boom clap,nwa,creased khaki flow,mr pig face? man i heard them songs and they ain't as good as you making them out to be,again his freestyles are better then those joints, that's that west coast bias shit my equal, i mean i'm west born and raised but i can't lie and front, and yes jada has classic diss record,classic diss freestyles as well, and you really think crooked lives up to his freestyles with his original material? i mean seriously? and see you say those crooked songs are straight dopeness but that's to you!!! and "his" fan base, again he got lyrics but them songs ain't bang like that,and if boom boom clap was all that why it ain't do nothing? and when i say that i mean with true fans of hip hop, people heard that and said "why he trying to go commercial i like the old crooked i", and those songs are not fucc'n with jada's my equal yell
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Box those are some of his best...freestyles are dope...but the question was whos better? Not whos dropped more dope muzik? Crookeds better and dropped better muzik..jada hasnt..ima fan of fugees, nas, etc...even tho pac told me not 2 b so again hows that bias?