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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on July 08, 2006, 01:20:13 PM
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-He probably got a big advance from the label, assuming his album would already be platinum by now.
-The deal he signed probably wasn't that lucrative, considering the biggest incentive was to work with Dr. Dre. Some artists like Sticky Fingaz have even turned down deals with Dre, because he doesn't offer artists alot of points on their contract.
-The album was expensive to make, look at all the expensive production and guest artists. It was also said that the album took years for him to make, so you got to factor in all the money the label loaned him for studio time, etc... Busta is gonna owe them all that money.
-All the hype and advertising blitz surrounding the album. The expensive video's and remixes, that was all on loan to Busta Rhymes, so the artist owes all that money. If the album don't sell enough, it becomes a debt.
...so what ya'll think? This dude talking about how rich he is on the whole album, and he might be in debt right about now. The album probably had to sell nearly a million copies just to break even, and he's sitting at 300,000 right now after about a month.
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-how many points/percentage does busta get for each album sold on aftermath?
Big Bang has had the most commercial success over any other album in bustas career. the "seven day stretch" from soundscan show his latest album as yielding higher sales than any of his other material. He might be in debt, he might not I'm not his accountant and none of us are. Until we get the numbers of what he makes off each album and what his loans were, what the interest on them were, Dre's recording costs, etc.....it wouldnt be right to specualte on how broke he is...
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What albums are selling well this year? TI and chamillionaire. Theirs not multiple rappers going platininum so I doubt they expected him to go plat so quickly.
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Busta doesn't pay that money back. The label invested in Busta's album, if it doesn't make money, it's the labels fault, not Bustas.
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What I find sad about The Big Bang is that Dr. Dre made him redo the album and then the album ended up with only a few Dre beats; Dre beats that weren't even all that in most cases.
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Busta doesn't pay that money back. The label invested in Busta's album, if it doesn't make money, it's the labels fault, not Bustas.
thats fuckin cool. i guess its a perk of being a legend it becomes less of a gamble with each release
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Busta doesn't pay that money back. The label invested in Busta's album, if it doesn't make money, it's the labels fault, not Bustas.
Where did you read that?
Because in most deals, the label gives advances, and pays for everything up front, but the artist ultimately owes all that money back, so everything is a loan. So if the album doesn't sell, then artists can be in debt and have to file for bankruptcy.
Remember MC Hammer's second album? It sold 5 million, but the label had spent so much money on the album they were expecting it to sell 15 million. So Hammer actually ended up losing money on an album that sold 5 million, and as an artist he was in debt. Look at TLC, they had to file for bankruptcy after they had an album sell 10 million, because they weren't awarded many points for the record, they signed a bad deal.
^^ These are extreme examples, I know, but Busta's project was a very expensive project. I definitely think they expected to be platinum already, and spent accordingly.
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If your on Aftermath, you better sell big numbers or your gonna be dropped and dissapear the way Truth Hurtz did. Look at all the artists that were dropped before there album even came out, because Dre didn't think they would sell, Rakim, King Tee, Hitman.
If your on Aftermath, you better sell atleast 3 million, and you better sell fast. The Aftermath Presents and the Firm album sold platinum, the Firm album debut at #1, and still those albums were considered failures by Dre's standards. So no doubt Busta's album is considered a failure right about now. There will be no second album, Busta is finished.
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did busta diss islam or why the fuck do you have such a hard on for him?
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did busta diss islam or why the fuck do you have such a hard on for him?
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did busta diss islam or why the fuck do you have such a hard on for him?
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Busta did decent numbers...when Im On My New York Shit drops, itll reach platinum status.
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Why did you feel the need to make 2 separate threads about Busta. You mad he chopped his dreads off or sumthin?
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If your on Aftermath, you better sell big numbers or your gonna be dropped and dissapear the way Truth Hurtz did. Look at all the artists that were dropped before there album even came out, because Dre didn't think they would sell, Rakim, King Tee, Hitman.
If your on Aftermath, you better sell atleast 3 million, and you better sell fast. The Aftermath Presents and the Firm album sold platinum, the Firm album debut at #1, and still those albums were considered failures by Dre's standards. So no doubt Busta's album is considered a failure right about now. There will be no second album, Busta is finished.
I thought Rakim left because of creative differences between him and dre??
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bare in mind that busta is a co-excutive producers...
which means that he himself, invested money in the project, and he's prolly gettin a good cut from the sales to pay em back
in addition to doing show, bustas shows r always packed.. he makes enough show money to live rich, he aint dropped an album since 2002 and we was bling blingin and livin well through that time...
anothe rimportant fact is, the album has 5 dre beats, dre is an in house producer of his own label... i highly doubt dre charged busta 250 k each beat....
however, busta might be in debt to the label.. who knows none of us works there
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I thought Rakim left because of creative differences between him and dre??
The creative difference was Dre wanted Rakim to be ignorant because Dre knows you'll never go broke underestimating the intelligence of Americans. While Rakim is a broadly intelligent rapper and he drops knowledge in his rhymes and Dre couldn't go for that cause he knew it wouldn't sell.
So bottom line, Dre didn't think Rakim would sell.
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Busta doesn't pay that money back. The label invested in Busta's album, if it doesn't make money, it's the labels fault, not Bustas.
Uh... you'd THINK that's how it would be, but unfortunately you'd be wrong. The label likely advanced Busta a ton of money like Infinite said, and if it doesn't do enough for him to be paid back, then Busta will end up owing them money.
Ask Courtney Love, she'll explain the whole thing for you. This is another reason everybody always wants to go Independent
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pretty much to be on Aftermath, you have to be an industry tool and please Interscope
not saying some good music doesn't come out of it, but ya know...
too many politics, politics fucked music
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Yeah, I'd agree with that. Dre also bombed with "The Wash". Jimmy let Dre do whatever he wanted, and Dre did "The Wash" which was a little pet project with his buddy Snoop, and it bombed, and Dre did "Truth Hurts" because he loves R&B, it bombed too, and now Jimmy Iovine (again) calls all the shots about who gets released and what song gets released, and what order the songs are in and all of that shit. Jimmy Iovine runs Interscope, Dre is behind creativity but has nothing to do with the business side of things which includes keeping and terminating artists.
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Yeah, I'd agree with that. Dre also bombed with "The Wash". Jimmy let Dre do whatever he wanted, and Dre did "The Wash" which was a little pet project with his buddy Snoop, and it bombed, and Dre did "Truth Hurts" because he loves R&B, it bombed too, and now Jimmy Iovine (again) calls all the shots about who gets released and what song gets released, and what order the songs are in and all of that shit. Jimmy Iovine runs Interscope, Dre is behind creativity but has nothing to do with the business side of things which includes keeping and terminating artists.
possibly, but do you really picture Dre arguing with Jimmy over releasing Rakim, Hittman, Truth Hurtz, or King Tee? I think Jimmy can dictate some of the creative control, but I don't think Dre has that much opposition to what Jimmy does.
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Uh... you'd THINK that's how it would be, but unfortunately you'd be wrong. The label likely advanced Busta a ton of money like Infinite said, and if it doesn't do enough for him to be paid back, then Busta will end up owing them money.
Ask Courtney Love, she'll explain the whole thing for you. This is another reason everybody always wants to go Independent
^^Co-sign, props.
That's the point I was making. "The Big Bang" was a big budget album. I think they expected to do way better numbers then they are doing, and Busta will pay the price financially because the budget ultimately has to be paid off by record sales or it becomes a debt for the artist.
Maybe Busta already has enough money from previous albums, and shows, but it's possible he may have even owed his last label some money, considering he had some big budget flops over there as well.
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anothe rimportant fact is, the album has 5 dre beats, dre is an in house producer of his own label... i highly doubt dre charged busta 250 k each beat....
True. In the end I don't think Busta will lose that much money of the album.
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Yeah, I'd agree with that. Dre also bombed with "The Wash". Jimmy let Dre do whatever he wanted, and Dre did "The Wash" which was a little pet project with his buddy Snoop, and it bombed, and Dre did "Truth Hurts" because he loves R&B, it bombed too, and now Jimmy Iovine (again) calls all the shots about who gets released and what song gets released, and what order the songs are in and all of that shit. Jimmy Iovine runs Interscope, Dre is behind creativity but has nothing to do with the business side of things which includes keeping and terminating artists.
possibly, but do you really picture Dre arguing with Jimmy over releasing Rakim, Hittman, Truth Hurtz, or King Tee? I think Jimmy can dictate some of the creative control, but I don't think Dre has that much opposition to what Jimmy does.
you never answered my question bryan.
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Yeah, I'd agree with that. Dre also bombed with "The Wash". Jimmy let Dre do whatever he wanted, and Dre did "The Wash" which was a little pet project with his buddy Snoop, and it bombed, and Dre did "Truth Hurts" because he loves R&B, it bombed too, and now Jimmy Iovine (again) calls all the shots about who gets released and what song gets released, and what order the songs are in and all of that shit. Jimmy Iovine runs Interscope, Dre is behind creativity but has nothing to do with the business side of things which includes keeping and terminating artists.
possibly, but do you really picture Dre arguing with Jimmy over releasing Rakim, Hittman, Truth Hurtz, or King Tee? I think Jimmy can dictate some of the creative control, but I don't think Dre has that much opposition to what Jimmy does.
you never answered my question bryan.
because ur question was stupid
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No, Dre didn't charge busta 250 grand each for the beats. He just charged busta 5 points per beat or some shit, and now he gets 25 percent of the publishing royalties for his hefty contribution to the album. After all, he's Dr. Dre. Plus, he mixed the album. You think he did that for free? Plus, exec produced the album, you think he did *THAT* for free? Think about all the people that have their hands in the album, then do a little math. The album's sold 300 k.
Lets say that the average price for the CD is 13 bucks. Some places it'll be more, but all the big chains that sell tons of them, it'll be less. That's a little under 4 million dollars, RETAIL, that the album's made. Then lets figure out how much of that is profit for the locations selling the album. At least 10%, right? at LEAST, probably much, much higher.
So now we're down to like 3.5. How much does the distributor get for their work transporting and networking the album?
How much was spent on promotion?
How much was spent on videos?
How much was spent on in store pop materials?
How much is left for Jimmy Iovine, Interscope, Dre, Busta, and every musician who recorded on the album to split?
Record company is probably nowhere near even on this, and they've advanced Busta money. He probably hasn't received 1 cent since then...
Why do you think these guys are always bitching about their record labels and their record deals? ... because they sign these big contracts with huge advances, then they get bitter when they realize they've already been paid, and they have to work their ass off for the next year or two just to get even on what they've spent on cars and gold watches already.
Why is it, do you think, that guys like Snoop will bust their ass going out and touring all over the fucking place, but won't put an album out but every few years? It's because they make a fortune touring, they can show up and get paid 20 grand for 1 nights work at a large venue, or they can work 2 years on an album and get paid 300 grand. They'd much rather tour.
Here's what I was talking about, Courtney Love is the lead singer of Hole, wife of Kurt Cobain from Nirvana. She's very intelligent, here's a transcript of a speech she gave a few years ago about why she was leaving a major and going independent.
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Courtney Love:
Today I want to talk about piracy and music. What is piracy? Piracy is the act of stealing an artist's work without any intention of paying for it. I'm not talking about Napster-type software.
I'm talking about major label recording contracts.
I want to start with a story about rock bands and record companies, and do some recording-contract math:
This story is about a bidding-war band that gets a huge deal with a 20 percent royalty rate and a million-dollar advance. (No bidding-war band ever got a 20 percent royalty, but whatever.) This is my "funny" math based on some reality and I just want to qualify it by saying I'm positive it's better math than what Edgar Bronfman Jr. [the president and CEO of Seagram, which owns Polygram] would provide.
What happens to that million dollars?
They spend half a million to record their album. That leaves the band with $500,000. They pay $100,000 to their manager for 20 percent commission. They pay $25,000 each to their lawyer and business manager.
That leaves $350,000 for the four band members to split. After $170,000 in taxes, there's $180,000 left. That comes out to $45,000 per person.
That's $45,000 to live on for a year until the record gets released.
The record is a big hit and sells a million copies. (How a bidding-war band sells a million copies of its debut record is another rant entirely, but it's based on any basic civics-class knowledge that any of us have about cartels. Put simply, the antitrust laws in this country are basically a joke, protecting us just enough to not have to re-name our park service the Phillip Morris National Park Service.)
So, this band releases two singles and makes two videos. The two videos cost a million dollars to make and 50 percent of the video production costs are recouped out of the band's royalties.
The band gets $200,000 in tour support, which is 100 percent recoupable.
The record company spends $300,000 on independent radio promotion. You have to pay independent promotion to get your song on the radio; independent promotion is a system where the record companies use middlemen so they can pretend not to know that radio stations -- the unified broadcast system -- are getting paid to play their records.
All of those independent promotion costs are charged to the band.
Since the original million-dollar advance is also recoupable, the band owes $2 million to the record company.
If all of the million records are sold at full price with no discounts or record clubs, the band earns $2 million in royalties, since their 20 percent royalty works out to $2 a record.
Two million dollars in royalties minus $2 million in recoupable expenses equals ... zero!
How much does the record company make?
They grossed $11 million.
It costs $500,000 to manufacture the CDs and they advanced the band $1 million. Plus there were $1 million in video costs, $300,000 in radio promotion and $200,000 in tour support.
The company also paid $750,000 in music publishing royalties.
They spent $2.2 million on marketing. That's mostly retail advertising, but marketing also pays for those huge posters of Marilyn Manson in Times Square and the street scouts who drive around in vans handing out black Korn T-shirts and backwards baseball caps. Not to mention trips to Scores and cash for tips for all and sundry.
Add it up and the record company has spent about $4.4 million.
So their profit is $6.6 million; the band may as well be working at a 7-Eleven.
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That's the real deal from a woman who doesn't give a shit what anybody thinks about her and wouldn't lie about something as pedantic as money to save her life. Someone with intimate knowledge of Hole's record deals, and someone who's part owner of Nirvana's entire record catalogue and sole administrator of the estate of Kurt Cobain. She fully understands the recording business and I believe every word she just said. If you know how this stuff works, you can see why certain rappers act the way that they do.
Also keep in mind that many rappers and rock stars live off of credit. If you just received a 300 thousand dollar royalty, you can go down to the bank and take a loan out for a house worth 3 million dollars. You see these guys riding high but nothing's paid for, and they owe their entire existance to the record label.
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Busta doesn't pay that money back. The label invested in Busta's album, if it doesn't make money, it's the labels fault, not Bustas.
lol you really believe that? don't ever try to sign to a major label, they'd take you for every $ you have.
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Yeah, I'd agree with that. Dre also bombed with "The Wash". Jimmy let Dre do whatever he wanted, and Dre did "The Wash" which was a little pet project with his buddy Snoop, and it bombed, and Dre did "Truth Hurts" because he loves R&B, it bombed too, and now Jimmy Iovine (again) calls all the shots about who gets released and what song gets released, and what order the songs are in and all of that shit. Jimmy Iovine runs Interscope, Dre is behind creativity but has nothing to do with the business side of things which includes keeping and terminating artists.
possibly, but do you really picture Dre arguing with Jimmy over releasing Rakim, Hittman, Truth Hurtz, or King Tee? I think Jimmy can dictate some of the creative control, but I don't think Dre has that much opposition to what Jimmy does.
you never answered my question bryan.
because ur question was stupid
The question was relevant and made perfect sense.
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if y´all don´t think Busta´s indebt then remember that Kanye West said that he had to sell 2.5 million albums just to break even and he recorded Late Registration in less then a year. and Busta recorded his shit for close to 4 years.
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kanye's situation is different he has a very expensive musician who co produced the album with him
busta's album production wasnt that expensive in my opinion.. u dont have a just blaze, u dont have a kanye beat
no scott storch beats..... who u got?
sha money?
i doubt he charged him much
i do agree its an expensive album... but the debt thing is debatable, even if he was teh album will pay it off..... he makes enough money from shows
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Busta said that he recorded like 200 songs over 4 years and just the studio time alone for that many hours is worth a lot more then 1 million. and then he gotta pay for the promotion coz labels don´t pay for that, then he gotta pay for the videos etc etc. if you´re on a major you don´t make no real money yet you oay for everything until you´ve recouped.
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so its safe to say ice cube is happy right about now then.
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i'll tell you why infinite is on bustas nuts... because he raps about money, and his liking to money... what infinite forgets is that he recently was gloryfying an album called "BLOOD MONEY" not too long ago...
and busta rhymes is far from broke, he has been releasing hit records for fucking years... if you dont know busta's influence, you should stick to reading the qu'ran.
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^uhh there´s dozens of artists who´s put out hit record for years that are broke. and he didn´t say that Busta was broke he said that he´s in debt to Aftermath and Interscope which he obviously is.
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LOL...You're crazy if you think Busta is broke...Even if he doesn't make any money off this album (which he most likely did), the fool is stacked...From tours, TV spots, commercials, movies, guest spots, EVERYTHING. Busta is a true celebrity, not a pure rapper who's only in the spotlight when his albums are being released...Busta Rhymes is a millionaire...PeACe
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why should the artist have to pay for the companies loss, it's thier investment and if it don't work it should be on them
if they advance him more than it makes, too fuckin bad
it's the same in non-music investments so why should it be different
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LOL...You're crazy if you think Busta is broke...Even if he doesn't make any money off this album (which he most likely did), the fool is stacked...From tours, TV spots, commercials, movies, guest spots, EVERYTHING. Busta is a true celebrity, not a pure rapper who's only in the spotlight when his albums are being released...Busta Rhymes is a millionaire...PeACe
no shit Busta is superpaid
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What I find sad about The Big Bang is that Dr. Dre made him redo the album and then the album ended up with only a few Dre beats; Dre beats that weren't even all that in most cases.
Wasn't that all assumptions people made that the album would have all Dre beats....
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so why dont some of these co-called "rich rap artists" just buy their own studios like Snoop and Dre and shit and just record music in your own studio then it wouldnt cost you shit no matter how long it took to make the album....
BTW, I HIGHLY doubt that Busta is going broke over the big bang....all you guys who think you are making more paper than Busta Rhymes are fuckin dumb asses.....seriously....lets not start comparing busta to mc hammer, are you guys serious?
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If the album bombs, all Busta has to do is pawn off a couple of those ridiculously big chains hes got around his neck, and he'll be back.
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so why dont some of these co-called "rich rap artists" just buy their own studios like Snoop and Dre and shit and just record music in your own studio then it wouldnt cost you shit no matter how long it took to make the album....
BTW, I HIGHLY doubt that Busta is going broke over the big bang....all you guys who think you are making more paper than Busta Rhymes are fuckin dumb asses.....seriously....lets not start comparing busta to mc hammer, are you guys serious?
I'm pretty sure Busta does have a studio in his crib...Most rappers do. It's just that real studios are usually the best, as opposed to home studios...
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yea man...busta aint broke....dude's been active during his four year gap...remixes,featurings,movies...
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After reading this thread and about how artists gets fucked by record companies (which really aint a big secret, but anyway) I got a bit more interested. Is there any web pages or articles that dig a bit more into the subject? Perhaps with the main focus on hip-hop and how record deals really work.
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so why dont some of these co-called "rich rap artists" just buy their own studios like Snoop and Dre and shit and just record music in your own studio then it wouldnt cost you shit no matter how long it took to make the album....
BTW, I HIGHLY doubt that Busta is going broke over the big bang....all you guys who think you are making more paper than Busta Rhymes are fuckin dumb asses.....seriously....lets not start comparing busta to mc hammer, are you guys serious?
I'm pretty sure Busta does have a studio in his crib...Most rappers do. It's just that real studios are usually the best, as opposed to home studios...
yeah home studios are for prototyping.. you save money making skeleton songs there..a nd touch em up in the studio..
as usual infinite has been a bit extreme with this post.. but there are some very good points in amongst it, and those are built up and reinforced by what trauma's posted..
the industry is shady. busta knows what he's doing at this stage.. i hope!
dre will have given "mates rates" thats the best thing about being on aftermath.. no 5 figure sum for a dre beat, just a promise you'll guest if he needs you on detox etc..
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^ I hope that's how dre handles it, but I'd bet there's more to it. It'd be interesting to know what kind of percentage of the album dre expects for having such a heavy hand in it.
One thing rappers have going for them that many other musicians don't, is that they usually write their own songs and have the publishing credits for the songwriting (usually shared with the dj/producer who made the beat).
Nashville works an entirely different way... and in my opinion, it's much more focused on good songmanship and quality musicians. In country, almost unique to every other genre, the musicians usually don't write their own songs (save a few ultra-talented artists like Brad Paisley or Shania Twain). The "nashville way" is usually to find a good singer, and sign him/her to a contract. Then, you have an entire city of the world's greatest songwriters give that artist 15 songs to sing, and they put an album out. The videos are typically inexpensive (in a half-mil type of way), and then the artist tours all year making money from the tour and also the album. In a year, he puts out another... every year there's a new album. Every year there's a new tour. Every year, fans get 15 new songs written by the best songwriters in the world.... that's why country's going through the top of the charts in the past few years, its' very effective.
Now, about now you're saying "Fuck country"... well, keep in mind that this is the same way that Motown ran their business, and they were incredibly successful with great songwriters like Smokey Robinsion writing everything, and great singers like Marvin Gaye and Tammi Terrell, and The Temptations and the Supremes, etc.... eventually, by doing that, they gave birth to several legends who wrote, produced, AND sang their own stuff like Marvin, Smokey, and Stevie Wonder, Michael Jackson, etc. So by taking a business approach in an intelligent way, Motown created legends who have immense respect today and are some of the best selling and most loved singers of all time.
Flash forward to Death Row. Dre produces everything. Snoop, RBX, DOC write everything. They get a few talented MC's (Snoop, Kurupt, Daz, Rage) and have the songwriting team help them tighten up their lyrics. The Chronic one year. Doggystyle the next year. "Dogg Food" the next year, etc. and they turn out hit after hit album with the same people on it, in what's really a reflection of the way of business pioneered by Nashville and Motown. It's incredibly effective and what SOMEBODY, ANYBODY needs to get back to, to make hiphop great again, imo.
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^uhh there´s dozens of artists who´s put out hit record for years that are broke. and he didn´t say that Busta was broke he said that he´s in debt to Aftermath and Interscope which he obviously is.
...so what ya'll think? This dude talking about how rich he is on the whole album, and he might be in debt right about now.
he clearly says busta is broke (being in debt = broke).
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and even if busta made a loss on the album... i seriously doubt the man would put all his funds into one project... dude didnt get to where he is being dumb.
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^ yeah i said that too :)
^ I hope that's how dre handles it, but I'd bet there's more to it. It'd be interesting to know what kind of percentage of the album dre expects for having such a heavy hand in it.
well for things like mary j / knoc/ xzibit / snoop / kurupt etc from the 2001 album dre did a "you sing/rap for me" you get a beat type thing.. thats a known fact.. same with Game etc.. sure dre gets a few points on sales .. but theres no massive fee for producing the songs in the first place eating into the budget..
'inside' the aftermath circle dre's beats come cheap
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I get ya; but if he's taking part of the sales, that's still less money for the artist. People act like Dre just gives Busta a beat and Busta goes "Thanks man!" and then maybe they work together years from now... .nah, Dre's getting part of every record sold now.
Still it's better than no Dre beat, like you said he gives them playa rates on the front end and it'll push album sales. They're better off getting one of his beats though then paying some nobody for a half-ass beat.
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Flash forward to Death Row. Dre produces everything. Snoop, RBX, DOC write everything. They get a few talented MC's (Snoop, Kurupt, Daz, Rage) and have the songwriting team help them tighten up their lyrics. The Chronic one year. Doggystyle the next year. "Dogg Food" the next year, etc. and they turn out hit after hit album with the same people on it, in what's really a reflection of the way of business pioneered by Nashville and Motown. It's incredibly effective and what SOMEBODY, ANYBODY needs to get back to, to make hiphop great again, imo.
I agree with your whole post except for this part.
The problem with this approach is that it is incredibly formulaic. And that is the reason why Death Row eventually fell apart and their music stopped selling. Sure, you could argue that Dre leaving removed an important creative element from the team, but even Dre still had troubles with his own music for several years outside of Tha Row. With or without Dre on the boards, it was inevitable that people would get tired of the Death Row sound sooner-or-later, and that's what happened.
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dope topic,
but to me i think busta will need to go around gold before he starts making money, and dont forget he sold 350 k in like 3 weeks, so he will continue to sell for a minute yet, plus overseas sales, touring, busta will make his money, but like usual dre and interscope will naturally make mo, but i think when dre signed a proven 10 years in the game cat like busta, he and busta obvioulsy knew it would take time, he already said financially he was straight at aftermath, so he must have gotten a good deal, plus im pretty sure you get a better deal signing at aftermath than you do in other label.....since it is meant to be the best label for an artsit.....ofcourse thats subjective but its what people say rght.....i think he gone start making money once he reaches a certain figure about gold, i doubt its platinum.......busta also just signed a 50/50 deal for papoose so he knows he gotta get his money situation straight once this album drops since it may be a minute till his next anyway. busta will be aight........he'll get handled on the math
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Flash forward to Death Row. Dre produces everything. Snoop, RBX, DOC write everything. They get a few talented MC's (Snoop, Kurupt, Daz, Rage) and have the songwriting team help them tighten up their lyrics. The Chronic one year. Doggystyle the next year. "Dogg Food" the next year, etc. and they turn out hit after hit album with the same people on it, in what's really a reflection of the way of business pioneered by Nashville and Motown. It's incredibly effective and what SOMEBODY, ANYBODY needs to get back to, to make hiphop great again, imo.
I agree with your whole post except for this part.
The problem with this approach is that it is incredibly formulaic. And that is the reason why Death Row eventually fell apart and their music stopped selling. Sure, you could argue that Dre leaving removed an important creative element from the team, but even Dre still had troubles with his own music for several years outside of Tha Row. With or without Dre on the boards, it was inevitable that people would get tired of the Death Row sound sooner-or-later, and that's what happened.
Nobody ever got tired of the Motown sound. The problem with the Death Row sound is that Suge Knight was an asshole. Dre would have stayed, had Suge Knight not been an asshole. Snoop would have... lets just make it short and say that the best music rap ever produced came out of those first few years @ deathrow when it was ran like a business instead of everybody either trying to do it the way they do it today.
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Nobody ever got tired of the Motown sound. The problem with the Death Row sound is that Suge Knight was an asshole. Dre would have stayed, had Suge Knight not been an asshole. Snoop would have... lets just make it short and say that the best music rap ever produced came out of those first few years @ deathrow when it was ran like a business instead of everybody either trying to do it the way they do it today.
But Motown did fall off eventually, right? They still exist as a label now, but they no longer have the sort of mainstream power they had in the 60s.
Even before Dre left and Pac was killed, there was a lot of backlash directed at Death Row because the G-Funk sound was being done to death in hip-hop and everyone was getting sick of it. Neither Dre nor the rest of Death Row significantly reinvented themselves at all during that time, either. So I think Death Row falling off was inevitable.
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Busta doesn't pay that money back. The label invested in Busta's album, if it doesn't make money, it's the labels fault, not Bustas.
thats fuckin cool. i guess its a perk of being a legend it becomes less of a gamble with each release
if that was the case...his reputation would of got shot down..and next time...there's no next time to invest on busta..
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so why dont some of these co-called "rich rap artists" just buy their own studios like Snoop and Dre and shit and just record music in your own studio then it wouldnt cost you shit no matter how long it took to make the album....
BTW, I HIGHLY doubt that Busta is going broke over the big bang....all you guys who think you are making more paper than Busta Rhymes are fuckin dumb asses.....seriously....lets not start comparing busta to mc hammer, are you guys serious?
I'm pretty sure Busta does have a studio in his crib...Most rappers do. It's just that real studios are usually the best, as opposed to home studios...
yeah home studios are for prototyping.. you save money making skeleton songs there..a nd touch em up in the studio..
as usual infinite has been a bit extreme with this post.. but there are some very good points in amongst it, and those are built up and reinforced by what trauma's posted..
the industry is shady. busta knows what he's doing at this stage.. i hope!
dre will have given "mates rates" thats the best thing about being on aftermath.. no 5 figure sum for a dre beat, just a promise you'll guest if he needs you on detox etc..
hey home studio is tight homie. It can bring out almost the same quality..just depends on how skillfull you are with it.