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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Lunatic on October 14, 2007, 01:31:06 PM
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I don't know much bout the U.S. legal system, so i won't "estimate" but how much do y'all think he gonna get taking into consideration that he's a star, but the case seems pretty strong...
drop y'all thoughts
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15ish i think. Which means Parole would be... after 10?
Who knows though, maybe he'll get off (I doubt it, though)
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15ish i think. Which means Parole would be... after 10?
Who knows though, maybe he'll get off (I doubt it, though)
damn, shit is fucked up
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http://i20.tinypic.com/105utcl.jpg
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someone blatently snitched on him
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someone blatently snitched on him
yup
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No clue, but Rappers these days seem to get off the hook with just some minor shit, i wonder what there gonna make of this, this sounds fuckin super serious, this could end his career no doubt, he might just be in there for a VERY LONGGGGGGGGG ass time!!!
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No clue, but Rappers these days seem to get off the hook with just some minor shit, i wonder what there gonna make of this, this sounds fuckin super serious, this could end his career no doubt, he might just be in there for a VERY LONGGGGGGGGG ass time!!!
there's def some hope, but it's not lookin 2 good
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lmao wtf happened to him??
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lmao wtf happened to him??
Got caught with having 2 machine guns and a bunch of other handguns!!!
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lmao wtf happened to him??
unregistered guns
silencers
so on and so on
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lmao wtf happened to him??
unregistered guns
silencers
so on and so on
wow mad homo...he carrys alot of the souths weight
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i doubt he'll be in for more then 5 years.... keep an eye out for "tip harris is free" comin out in 2012
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i doubt he'll be in for more then 5 years.... keep an eye out for "tip harris is free" comin out in 2012
LOL...itll be Tip Harris is Free vs. Detox...march 26th 1012 lol
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prodigy got 3.5yrs for a loaded handgun
TI bought 2 machine guns, a bunch of handguns, some silencers, and had a pile of gun ins his closet at his house + he's a convicted felon
he's going away for atleast 20years
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prodigy got 3.5yrs for a loaded handgun
TI bought 2 machine guns, a bunch of handguns, some silencers, and had a pile of gun ins his closet at his house + he's a convicted felon
he's going away for atleast 20years
that shit would be FUCKED UP
take into consideration he's rich ;D
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prodigy got 3.5yrs for a loaded handgun
TI bought 2 machine guns, a bunch of handguns, some silencers, and had a pile of gun ins his closet at his house + he's a convicted felon
he's going away for atleast 20years
who was he planning on shooting? lol
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prodigy got 3.5yrs for a loaded handgun
TI bought 2 machine guns, a bunch of handguns, some silencers, and had a pile of gun ins his closet at his house + he's a convicted felon
he's going away for atleast 20years
that shit would be FUCKED UP
take into consideration he's rich ;D
take into consideration he also tried to circumvent the law by having someone else buy the guns for him, he's going to get raped by the courts and then again in jail
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prodigy got 3.5yrs for a loaded handgun
TI bought 2 machine guns, a bunch of handguns, some silencers, and had a pile of gun ins his closet at his house + he's a convicted felon
he's going away for atleast 20years
that shit would be FUCKED UP
take into consideration he's rich ;D
take into consideration he also tried to circumvent the law by having someone else buy the guns for him, he's going to get raped by the courts and then again in jail
LMAO
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prodigy got 3.5yrs for a loaded handgun
TI bought 2 machine guns, a bunch of handguns, some silencers, and had a pile of gun ins his closet at his house + he's a convicted felon
he's going away for atleast 20years
that shit would be FUCKED UP
take into consideration he's rich ;D
take into consideration he also tried to circumvent the law by having someone else buy the guns for him, he's going to get raped by the courts and then again in jail
will see man, will see
his lawyer said the following
“The court will address issues of bail tomorrow,” T.I.’s lawyer clarifies. “I can tell you that the law allows bail for this particular offense, or offenses.”
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prodigy got 3.5yrs for a loaded handgun
TI bought 2 machine guns, a bunch of handguns, some silencers, and had a pile of gun ins his closet at his house + he's a convicted felon
he's going away for atleast 20years
that shit would be FUCKED UP
take into consideration he's rich ;D
take into consideration he also tried to circumvent the law by having someone else buy the guns for him, he's going to get raped by the courts and then again in jail
Hes gonna be gone for life i think personally LOL, with parole hahaha!!!
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prodigy got 3.5yrs for a loaded handgun
TI bought 2 machine guns, a bunch of handguns, some silencers, and had a pile of gun ins his closet at his house + he's a convicted felon
he's going away for atleast 20years
that shit would be FUCKED UP
take into consideration he's rich ;D
take into consideration he also tried to circumvent the law by having someone else buy the guns for him, he's going to get raped by the courts and then again in jail
Hes gonna be gone for life i think personally LOL, with parole hahaha!!!
i'll be surprised if he serves more than 10 years
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prodigy got 3.5yrs for a loaded handgun
TI bought 2 machine guns, a bunch of handguns, some silencers, and had a pile of gun ins his closet at his house + he's a convicted felon
he's going away for atleast 20years
that shit would be FUCKED UP
take into consideration he's rich ;D
take into consideration he also tried to circumvent the law by having someone else buy the guns for him, he's going to get raped by the courts and then again in jail
Hes gonna be gone for life i think personally LOL, with parole hahaha!!!
that would be mad homo
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ATL also has really strict gunlaws in the US, stricter than most of the US
he will get ~ 20 years, MAYBE serving 12-15
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ATL also has really strict gunlaws in the US, stricter than most of the US
he will get ~ 20 years, MAYBE serving 12-15
what about his lawyer's comments about bail?? :-\
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ATL also has really strict gunlaws in the US, stricter than most of the US
he will get ~ 20 years, MAYBE serving 12-15
what about his lawyer's comments about bail?? :-\
bail means he's free to roam the state until the trial, then he goes to jail. if he's found guilty, there will be no avoiding jail time
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ATL also has really strict gunlaws in the US, stricter than most of the US
he will get ~ 20 years, MAYBE serving 12-15
what about his lawyer's comments about bail?? :-\
bail means he's free to roam the state until the trial, then he goes to jail. if he's found guilty, there will be no avoiding jail time
o ok..but can't the trail drag on for years and years?? look at r.kelly
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damn so many years just for possessing a sick arsenal of guns... that's harsh as hell imo... especially considering that guns are part of america's culture
I'm sure he just bought the weapons for fun... lool... I'm also sure he didn't even know in how much trouble they can get him, lol... sucks to fuck your life up like that, especially when you just dropped 2 consecutive platinum albums... one less high-seller in rap... I don't think he can beat the case..
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he's a skinny dude, that ass gonna get a pounding in the big house
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ATL also has really strict gunlaws in the US, stricter than most of the US
he will get ~ 20 years, MAYBE serving 12-15
what about his lawyer's comments about bail?? :-\
bail means he's free to roam the state until the trial, then he goes to jail. if he's found guilty, there will be no avoiding jail time
o ok..but can't the trail drag on for years and years?? look at r.kelly
yep, but look at how much press this is getting + the seriousness of the crime. TI had the potential to kill alot of people, that's what the prosecutors will be looking at
why would he be buying machine guns, handguns + silencers? no other reason than to end somebodys life
we'll have to see what happens with the trial, but he's going to jail for a long, long time. my guess is he's probably going straight to the studio once he makes his first appearance in court, so he can keep releasing cds while he's in jail. either way, he could use some of that money he made from selling platinum albums to buy some KY, cause it's gonna hurt
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people wanna play around with guns then jail is where you're gonna end up
if you're gonna be big enough to roll with weapons then be big enough to deal with whatever happens
:-X
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ATL also has really strict gunlaws in the US, stricter than most of the US
he will get ~ 20 years, MAYBE serving 12-15
what about his lawyer's comments about bail?? :-\
bail means he's free to roam the state until the trial, then he goes to jail. if he's found guilty, there will be no avoiding jail time
o ok..but can't the trail drag on for years and years?? look at r.kelly
yep, but look at how much press this is getting + the seriousness of the crime. TI had the potential to kill alot of people, that's what the prosecutors will be looking at
why would he be buying machine guns, handguns + silencers? no other reason than to end somebodys life
we'll have to see what happens with the trial, but he's going to jail for a long, long time. my guess is he's probably going straight to the studio once he makes his first appearance in court, so he can keep releasing cds while he's in jail. either way, he could use some of that money he made from selling platinum albums to buy some KY, cause it's gonna hurt
yes the crime is serious, but is r.kelly case not serious :-\ it also received alot of press, so that's not a very good explanation of why you think this case will probably unfold quickly
i can't answer that
are u trying 2 get me mad or something with all the rape jokes?? :-\
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he's a skinny dude, that ass gonna get a pounding in the big house
:D
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ATL also has really strict gunlaws in the US, stricter than most of the US
he will get ~ 20 years, MAYBE serving 12-15
what about his lawyer's comments about bail?? :-\
bail means he's free to roam the state until the trial, then he goes to jail. if he's found guilty, there will be no avoiding jail time
o ok..but can't the trail drag on for years and years?? look at r.kelly
yep, but look at how much press this is getting + the seriousness of the crime. TI had the potential to kill alot of people, that's what the prosecutors will be looking at
why would he be buying machine guns, handguns + silencers? no other reason than to end somebodys life
we'll have to see what happens with the trial, but he's going to jail for a long, long time. my guess is he's probably going straight to the studio once he makes his first appearance in court, so he can keep releasing cds while he's in jail. either way, he could use some of that money he made from selling platinum albums to buy some KY, cause it's gonna hurt
yes the crime is serious, but is r.kelly case not serious :-\ it also received alot of press, so that's not a very good explanation of why you think this case will probably unfold quickly
i can't answer that
are u trying 2 get me mad or something with all the rape jokes?? :-\
r. kelly had sex with an underage girl but she consented. he's also not a convicted felon and his crime didnt have the possibility of killing alot of people. while r. kelly's crime is (to me) worse than TI's, the law doesnt see it that way
TI is a convicted felon who tried to circumvent the law by having someone else purchase guns on his behalf. it also doesnt help that the guy who bought the guns also snitched on him and recorded phone calls etc. unless TI was using the guns for show (in which case he would have no ammo), then he's got 0 chance of getting less than 10 years (prodigy got 3.5 for a gun + ammo)
to take a line from Office Space (great movie), he's going to a "federal pound me in the ass prison"
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ATL also has really strict gunlaws in the US, stricter than most of the US
he will get ~ 20 years, MAYBE serving 12-15
what about his lawyer's comments about bail?? :-\
bail means he's free to roam the state until the trial, then he goes to jail. if he's found guilty, there will be no avoiding jail time
o ok..but can't the trail drag on for years and years?? look at r.kelly
yep, but look at how much press this is getting + the seriousness of the crime. TI had the potential to kill alot of people, that's what the prosecutors will be looking at
why would he be buying machine guns, handguns + silencers? no other reason than to end somebodys life
we'll have to see what happens with the trial, but he's going to jail for a long, long time. my guess is he's probably going straight to the studio once he makes his first appearance in court, so he can keep releasing cds while he's in jail. either way, he could use some of that money he made from selling platinum albums to buy some KY, cause it's gonna hurt
yes the crime is serious, but is r.kelly case not serious :-\ it also received alot of press, so that's not a very good explanation of why you think this case will probably unfold quickly
i can't answer that
are u trying 2 get me mad or something with all the rape jokes?? :-\
r. kelly had sex with an underage girl but she consented. he's also not a convicted felon and his crime didnt have the possibility of killing alot of people. while r. kelly's crime is (to me) worse than TI's, the law doesnt see it that way
TI is a convicted felon who tried to circumvent the law by having someone else purchase guns on his behalf. it also doesnt help that the guy who bought the guns also snitched on him and recorded phone calls etc. unless TI was using the guns for show (in which case he would have no ammo), then he's got 0 chance of getting less than 10 years (prodigy got 3.5 for a gun + ammo)
to take a line from Office Space (great movie), he's going to a "federal pound me in the ass prison"
lets just see shit play out i guess
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prodigy got 3.5yrs for a loaded handgun
TI bought 2 machine guns, a bunch of handguns, some silencers, and had a pile of gun ins his closet at his house + he's a convicted felon
he's going away for atleast 20years
that shit would be FUCKED UP
take into consideration he's rich ;D
take into consideration he also tried to circumvent the law by having someone else buy the guns for him, he's going to get raped by the courts and then again in jail
Hes gonna be gone for life i think personally LOL, with parole hahaha!!!
i'll be surprised if he serves more than 10 years
Any REGULAR person would probably get 20+ but in T.I's case its oviously not gonna be that long lol, hell he might just get a slap on the wrist, the systems fucked up, but this time i doubt it, this is big lol!!!
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prodigy got 3.5yrs for a loaded handgun
TI bought 2 machine guns, a bunch of handguns, some silencers, and had a pile of gun ins his closet at his house + he's a convicted felon
he's going away for atleast 20years
that shit would be FUCKED UP
take into consideration he's rich ;D
take into consideration he also tried to circumvent the law by having someone else buy the guns for him, he's going to get raped by the courts and then again in jail
Hes gonna be gone for life i think personally LOL, with parole hahaha!!!
i'll be surprised if he serves more than 10 years
Any REGULAR person would probably get 20+ but in T.I's case its oviously not gonna be that long lol, hell he might just get a slap on the wrist, the systems fucked up, but this time i doubt it, this is big lol!!!
this is 1 time i really hope the celebrity gets special treatment ;)
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This is the part where it would pay to be a California celebrity... Out here our celebs get off with anything and everything. If this happened out here I would put my money on him beating the case. However.... the South is a different story. There are still people living in the "lynch em" days...
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This is the part where it would pay to be a California celebrity... Out here our celebs get off with anything and everything. If this happened out here I would put my money on him beating the case. However.... the South is a different story. There are still people living in the "lynch em" days...
yea i know man
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pics of the arrest:
http://i21.tinypic.com/wugj1i.jpg
http://i23.tinypic.com/33c9b85.jpg
http://i23.tinypic.com/2cnwaph.jpg
here's some potential good news:
"A source close to embattled rapper T.I. says that the gun charges leveraged against the hip-hopper are false; T.I. never tried to purchase guns -- it was all his bodyguard. The source statement was "[The bodyguard] asked T.I. for an advance on his [pay] and T.I. gave it to him. ...Whatever he spent money on -- whether it be guns, drugs, or formula for his children -- T.I. had nothing to do with it." That's it, he was buying formula! And those guns found in T.I.'s house? "T.I. has security that lives with him and stay with him at all times. The gun that the [federal agents] found belonged to his security team" -- all of whom are licensed to carry them, the source claims. "The government was just looking to pin a case on T.I. - they've been trying for years. So they pushed [the bodyguard] into snitching on T.I."
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Instead of speculating and sounding like retards, why don't you be some good crackers and look up the law?
In the United States, machine guns and silencers are both restricted to Class III status by the National Firearms Act of 1934 (the law they passed to cut down on the use of Tommy Guns by gangsters during the Prohibition Era). Here is some info on criminal violations:
Criminal Conduct Under The NFA
The NFA makes certain conduct a criminal offense, including but not limited to: engaging in business as a manufacturer, importer, or dealer with respect to firearms without having registered or paid a special occupational tax; receiving or possessing a firearm transferred to oneself in violation of the NFA; receiving or possessing a firearm made in violation of the NFA; receiving or possessing a firearm not registered to oneself in the National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record; transferring or making a firearm in violation of the NFA; or obliterating, removing, changing, or altering the serial number of the firearm.[1]
Criminal Penalties
Violations of the National Firearms Act are punishable by up to 10 years [2] in federal prison and forfeiture of all devices or firearms in violation, and the individual's right to own or possess firearms in the future. The Act provides for a penalty of $10,000 for certain violations.[3] A willful attempt to evade or defeat a tax imposed by the Act is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison and a $100,000 fine ($500,000 in the case of a corporation), under the general tax evasion statute.[4] For an individual, the felony fine of $100,000 for tax evasion could be increased to $250,000.[5]
Please note that the latter provision applies to INDIVIDUAL offenses, meaning that T.I. could get up to 10 years for EACH machine gun and silencer he purchased. So if he had five illegal NFA-regulated items, that means he could be looking at up to 50 years. I doubt he'd get that much, but 10 years minimum is almost guaranteed unless his attorney can find some proof, ANY proof, of misconduct by the BATF in their operation.
ATL also has really strict gunlaws in the US, stricter than most of the US
he will get ~ 20 years, MAYBE serving 12-15
He's violated FEDERAL law here, and that's what he's being charged on. Local laws are the least of his concerns right now. Stop trying to sound like you know what you're talking about, you're just gonna make yourself sound retarded.
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Yup, it's a federal issue, he's going to be gone a minimum of 10 years... the feds don't usually fuck up...
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taken from another board, dude seems 2 have a point:
I don't like rap and can't stand these gangster rappers for a moment. However, I NEVER believe the ATF until I see the evidence. I have seen them cut corners and perjure themselves, or tell a "witness" to do it for them.
It would be standard operating procedure to pressure the bodyguard into putting it all off on the boss, if that's who they really want. Just from the story, if at all accurate, I see serious problems for the prosecution that could be exploited by a first year law student.
As for the guns in the house and vehicle, everyone around him is licensed to carry and all he has to do is deny knowledge of them, while his employees say that they left them there, so I don't see anything to hold the dude for. Nice to parade the perfectly legal guns around the cameras for pictures, but irrelevant. Those guns will very likely have to be returned to the owner(s). Unless they have a lot more than the word of the fool trying to buy illegal weapons, this will never reach trial and he only has to pay some lawyer fees and maybe some employee bonuses.
The media always makes a big thing about anything even resembling a gun and people who live in areas with restrictive gun laws don't realize that those laws don't apply elsewhere. Machineguns and silencers are actually legal in many states, IF you do the proper paperwork. Long guns, in most states, have no waiting period. The waiting period for handguns doen't always apply for people with any law enforcement status, or carry permits, in many states. Unlawfully carring a firearm is often a misdemeanor, with a small fine, if convicted. Talking heads like to say terms like "assault weapon" in low and ominous tones, but there is no such thing. They do the same with buzzwords like "semi-automatic," as if it means anything more than one trigger pull fires it one time, just like a revolver.
Look at how they still keep saying that the kid in Pennsylvania had "30 weapons," counting bb guns, pellet guns, pocket knives and swords (quite possibly only display models) as if they were really something to be concerned about. Take anything the sensation seeking media spouts with even more grains of salt than what the ATF might claim.
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pics of the arrest:
http://i21.tinypic.com/wugj1i.jpg
http://i23.tinypic.com/33c9b85.jpg
http://i23.tinypic.com/2cnwaph.jpg
here's some potential good news:
"A source close to embattled rapper T.I. says that the gun charges leveraged against the hip-hopper are false; T.I. never tried to purchase guns -- it was all his bodyguard. The source statement was "[The bodyguard] asked T.I. for an advance on his [pay] and T.I. gave it to him. ...Whatever he spent money on -- whether it be guns, drugs, or formula for his children -- T.I. had nothing to do with it." That's it, he was buying formula! And those guns found in T.I.'s house? "T.I. has security that lives with him and stay with him at all times. The gun that the [federal agents] found belonged to his security team" -- all of whom are licensed to carry them, the source claims. "The government was just looking to pin a case on T.I. - they've been trying for years. So they pushed [the bodyguard] into snitching on T.I."
Wheres T.I in those pics lol? That Range is nice too lol. But if thats true and somehow the judges buy it, he could be ok!!!
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taken from another board, dude seems 2 have a point:
Yeah, some pro-gun nut message board of right-wing morons.
Machineguns and silencers are actually legal in many states, IF you do the proper paperwork.
Which he didn't. Granted, the prosecution may still have trouble tying T.I. to the bodyguard's purchases, but it can't be dismissed THAT easily.
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lmao wtf happened to him??
Got caught with having 2 machine guns and a bunch of other handguns!!!
lmao wtf happened to him??
unregistered guns
silencers
so on and so on
Got damn! I love T.I. (no homo) but wtf was he thinking?
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Got damn! I love T.I. (no homo) but wtf was he thinking?
for real :-\
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why does he need all those guns when he has a body guard?
TI is fucking stupid.
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why does he need all those guns when he has a body guard?
TI is fucking stupid.
i know man
that's why it makes me think there's gotta be a lot more to this story than what we've heard so far
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niggas gotta do what he do
i aint mad at him, its his choice
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dumb fuck is fucked for life...
Technically, for each unregistered automatic and silencer he will get around 10 years, federal offense I believe?
So since hes a celeb I'm guessing he's gonna be locked up for around 20 years ::)
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I never thought Cassidy would get off and he did, so we will just have to wait and see.
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I never thought Cassidy would get off and he did, so we will just have to wait and see.
exactly...cassidy's case seemed 10X worse if i remember correctly
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quote from young dro:
"We're going to be all right," Dro said Sunday. "It's just a mistake. Everybody's entitled to some. We'll be OK."
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Rapper T.I. denied bond on weapons charge
By BILL RANKIN
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Published on: 10/15/07
appearance in federal court Monday afternoon.
A federal magistrate said he must remain in custody for now. Federal prosecutors are asking T.I., whose real name is Clifford Harris Jr., be held without bond until his trial, which could be several months away.
U.S. Magistrate Alan Baverman scheduled a hearing on Friday to determine whether there was probable cause for Harris' arrest and whether he will qualify for bond before trial.
Harris was wearing a black shirt and black pants, with his hands cuffed and his legs chained, when he was led into the courtroom.
He made eye contact with family members and sat in front of members of his family.
He answered "Yes, sir," and "Yes, your honor," when asked if he had been provided a copy of charges against him and whether he understood the charges.
During the hearing the courtroom was filled with a standing-room-only crowd. Those who arrived too late were forced to stand outside the courtroom.
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quote from young dro:
"We're going to be all right," Dro said Sunday. "It's just a mistake. Everybody's entitled to some. We'll be OK."
aka "lord please help t.i. hes fuckin screwed"
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quote from young dro:
"We're going to be all right," Dro said Sunday. "It's just a mistake. Everybody's entitled to some. We'll be OK."
aka "lord please help t.i. hes fuckin screwed"
lol
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wow no bail now thats some interesting shit
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wow no bail now thats some interesting shit
no bail yet
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is it safe to say that if he gets denied bail friday he's 100% royally fucked??
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is it safe to say that if he gets denied bail friday he's 100% royally fucked??
na, but hes getting there.
he deserves some decades for being SO FN DUMB.
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is it safe to say that if he gets denied bail friday he's 100% royally fucked??
na, but hes getting there.
he deserves some decades for being SO FN DUMB.
true
yea really dumb on his part it seems...i think there's more 2 this case though, because nobody can be THAT dumb, there's NO explanation for this at this point, and although perhaps no explanation will make him look "smart" it can relieve some of the "dumbness" off him :D
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If he goes out like this, the hip hop world will NEVER stop talking about this shit..i mean NEVER
this gon be how it goes
"T.I. was a great rap artist..he was on top of his game, on top of the whole south...this man was at beginning of the peak of his career, and it looked like a long one ahead of him...He was a man who was often compared to having a jay-z like or even diddy-like future...and he threw it all away"
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dumb fuck is fucked for life...
Technically, for each unregistered automatic and silencer he will get around 10 years, federal offense I believe?
So since hes a celeb I'm guessing he's gonna be locked up for around 20 years ::)
Should...
I was gonna say TI got the money for this one but the way the ATF set it up with the bodyguard getting caught right out the gate says TI going down.
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dumb fuck is fucked for life...
Technically, for each unregistered automatic and silencer he will get around 10 years, federal offense I believe?
So since hes a celeb I'm guessing he's gonna be locked up for around 20 years ::)
Should...
I was gonna say TI got the money for this one but the way the ATF set it up with the bodyguard getting caught right out the gate says TI going down.
i heard 10 years is the max