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Title: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Skindiana bon3z on July 14, 2005, 06:31:29 AM
.....just woke up and turned it to ESPNEWS, looks like they're trading Caron Butler and either Chucky Atkins or Devean George for Brown....I really don't like this trade at all.... >:(
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: wcsoldier on July 14, 2005, 06:33:57 AM
Tradin Butler (unless for an all star) is a very bad move  ???
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: krazykokonutz on July 14, 2005, 08:41:03 AM
its not a good trade but its not a bad trade either, i thought caron was worth more but no one really wants to deal with the lakers because they dont wanna see them on top, right now butler was expendable because he did not really fit in the system so we got a big for it.....the only reason i always say he was a bust is because he was the number one pick and youd expect more from someone like that, but its an average trade in my opinion....if theyre offering chucky then i think that means that antonio daniels is coming...that would be a solid team!! most importantly it move LO to SMALL FORWARD!
ad/lle/someone from spl
kobe/sasha/von wafer
LO/walton/george/jj
brown/grant/turiaf
mihm/bynum
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: wcsoldier on July 14, 2005, 08:54:35 AM
its not a good trade but its not a bad trade either, i thought caron was worth more but no one really wants to deal with the lakers because they dont wanna see them on top, right now butler was expendable because he did not really fit in the system so we got a big for it.....the only reason i always say he was a bust is because he was the number one pick and youd expect more from someone like that, but its an average trade in my opinion....if theyre offering chucky then i think that means that antonio daniels is coming...that would be a solid team!! most importantly it move LO to SMALL FORWARD!
ad/lle/someone from spl
kobe/sasha/von wafer
LO/walton/george/jj
brown/grant/turiaf
mihm/bynum
Washington will prefer to acquire Georges but it's a bad trade anyways. Brown gonna be outshine by the majority of the Western PW
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: lbc213 on July 14, 2005, 10:08:56 AM
I don't know, remember Jermaine O'Neal in Portland? We all know what happend when he got traded to another team (Indi). But if u look at the numbers right now, the wizards did get the best outa this trade.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Juronimo on July 14, 2005, 10:20:44 AM
Fuckin horrible.  ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

What the fuck is Mitch Kupchak thinking???


Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Ðøšïå on July 14, 2005, 10:33:05 AM
sucky trade for the lakers
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Javier on July 14, 2005, 11:58:43 AM
The more bigger bodies the better for the lakers.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Tha G In Deee on July 14, 2005, 12:17:45 PM
They should've kept Caron but we'll see what happens next...
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on July 14, 2005, 03:35:43 PM
what the fuck are you guys talking about?..Caron is not our future SF,Lamar is...we might as well get something for Caron before he leaves b/c the Lakers were not going to re-sign him when his contract is up in a tear or 2.

We are not making cap room for Caron ,we're making cap room for  Yao Ming or Amare Stoudmire..

@ least we got a young athletic big man,he went through hell in washington that's why he playd bad, hopefully coming to L.A & playing with kobe & been coach by phil could rejuvnate his career 8)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: krazykokonutz on July 14, 2005, 04:16:09 PM
what the fuck are you guys talking about?..Caron is not our future SF,Lamar is...we might as well get something for Caron before he leaves b/c the Lakers were not going to re-sign him when his contract is up in a tear or 2.

We are not making cap room for Caron ,we're making cap room for  Yao Ming or Amare Stoudmire..

@ least we got a young athletic big man,he went through hell in washington that's why he playd bad, hopefully coming to L.A & playing with kobe & been coach by phil could rejuvnate his career 8)
yup with the big contracts  the sg and small forwards got caron wouldve bolted .... theyre getting 11 12 million dollar deals...so we got something for him now rather than get nothing later...so thats a positive...also kwame is supposed to get a 3 year deal with the third being the option, so the option i think is after the 2007 season when yao and ming are available....plus grant will be off the books by then and vlade
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: eS El Duque on July 14, 2005, 05:55:43 PM
this ain't breaking news..this doesn't help or hurt the chances of the lakers next year...I mean, it's Kwame Fuckin Brown
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: krazykokonutz on July 14, 2005, 07:05:12 PM
this ain't breaking news..this doesn't help or hurt the chances of the lakers next year...I mean, it's Kwame Fuckin Brown
what you guys dont understand is that they took a risk! they took one with kobe when the lakers traded away their starting center for some high school kid. basically the lakers had nothing to lose.....caron wouldve been the sixth man next year because lamar wouldve played sf....a change of scenery i think can help kwame like jermain oneal....now that very different from saying he will play like jermaine oneal because thats not what im saying....im saying his case could be similar to JO's situation in portland. the lakers lost nothing but their best trade bait...but at the same time no one wanted to deal with the lakers...they didnt want to take on big contracts so they could have a lot of cap space in 07 to sign an all star caliber player at the same time by that time bynum will have developed...so this plan is not just for right now but for the future, they will have some practice for the next two years and then will be ready to be champions in three years...and not just a one time wonder because remember we will have a very young team in bynum lo kwame and kobe. i think theyre taking a big risk in kwame but i also think that they have nothing to lose in taking it.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Don Jacob on July 14, 2005, 08:12:42 PM
i don't know about this trade....


hopefully like a couple of people said earlier it's like jermain o'neal
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: ωεεźγ ғ on July 15, 2005, 01:41:20 AM
I think kwame's got some more still to prove..hopefully he can do it with kobe around and under the influence of phil
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Perfection on July 15, 2005, 09:05:28 AM
The Lakers are going to be even worse next year
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: krazykokonutz on July 15, 2005, 09:17:41 AM
The Lakers are going to be even worse next year
in what way? please explain
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Smooth on July 15, 2005, 10:53:55 AM
I think Kwame will have a solid year, maybe something like 13ppg and 8 boards, dunno if it's gonna be worth it for Caron and Atkins though, we'll have to see about that..
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: 7even on July 15, 2005, 11:30:38 AM
Horrible Olowakandi type of bust. Lakers arent going anywhere, lmfao@people who believe Lakers get Yao or Amare. Yea right.. some Lakers fans must seriously think they get everything for free, after getting Shaq and Kobe for a piece of pie
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 16, 2005, 12:58:51 AM
I don't like the trade, but it ain't final yet...Phil had a plan to start Caron at PG next year, which sounded a lot better to me than Kwame Brown...I didn't think Kwame is worth Butler, let alone Butler AND another player...Hopefully the trade doesn't go through, but if it does, I hope it works out for the best...PeACe
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: MethRed on July 16, 2005, 10:43:03 AM
I think this is a pretty good trade. Brown is still young and has many years left in him, so there is still time for him to improve and become a better player. Also, it seems as if Brown needed a change of scenery, so this might be good for him because it also takes some pressure off of him, not like in Washington.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Javier on July 16, 2005, 11:43:20 AM
he'll also be off the books in 07.  Same year big time FA like Ming and Amare will become available
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: krazykokonutz on July 16, 2005, 02:15:40 PM
Horrible Olowakandi type of bust. Lakers arent going anywhere, lmfao@people who believe Lakers get Yao or Amare. Yea right.. some Lakers fans must seriously think they get everything for free, after getting Shaq and Kobe for a piece of pie
lol@people who think theyre psychic......i guess 30 milliondollars a year was getting shaq for free and 17 mil a year for kobe was a piece of pie....chucky was a major liability on defense...i think some people either dont watch laker games and are bandwagon fans or they do watch them but dont understand basketball....the whole frontcourt has 7 or near 7 footers.....the reason the lakers were so bad on defense last year is because chucky would pgs blow by him making the low post defenders come and help thus leaving the big men open under the paint...i agree i would rather have washington take devean george and chucky, cause he wouldve been great off the bench but business is business.....people who disagree please say why you do so....caron played very well during garbage time last year towards the end of the season when it was determined they werent going to the playoffs. caron was going to be traded regardless they had to get rid if him because he was going to leave in free agency. lakers dont have enough money to retain him...and i keep saying this because its the most important factor in my opinion, it moves lamar to the 3 spot..if anyone disagrees please read the post and tell me in which way i am wrong
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: 7even on July 17, 2005, 02:33:10 AM
LMAO.. who cares how much you pay them dudes? It all comes down to the FACT that you got Shaq as a FREE Agent and Kobe also for free practically because he cried like a bitch when the Hornets drafted him.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: krazykokonutz on July 17, 2005, 12:33:22 PM
LMAO.. who cares how much you pay them dudes? It all comes down to the FACT that you got Shaq as a FREE Agent and Kobe also for free practically because he cried like a bitch when the Hornets drafted him.
dawg, why dont u ever back up ur arguments???? getting shaq as a free agent is not what u meant...u meant we got him for free becuase thats what you siad...tryin to switch up on ur statement, thats reserved for pussies....ur starting to get on my last nerve and not because u hate the lakers....a lot of people hate....but because of ur ignorant ass arguments that u make...the annoyed one....mothafucka ur the one thats annoying....
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on July 17, 2005, 01:24:10 PM
The most inportant thing about this trade is we got rid of chuky fuckin atkins,not having him makes us a better defence of team
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: 7even on July 17, 2005, 03:50:22 PM
LMAO.. who cares how much you pay them dudes? It all comes down to the FACT that you got Shaq as a FREE Agent and Kobe also for free practically because he cried like a bitch when the Hornets drafted him.
dawg, why dont u ever back up ur arguments???? getting shaq as a free agent is not what u meant...u meant we got him for free becuase thats what you siad...tryin to switch up on ur statement, thats reserved for pussies....ur starting to get on my last nerve and not because u hate the lakers....a lot of people hate....but because of ur ignorant ass arguments that u make...the annoyed one....mothafucka ur the one thats annoying....

Again: Who cares about the money you pay him? Do you feel bad for poor broke Jerry Buss or what the fuck is your problem? It all comes down to the fact that you didnt have to trade great players you didnt even have for him, nor that you needed a bad ass season and a lucky first pick. That's what I mean for free. Other teams have to have a bad ass season and a lucky lottery go get players like Shaq, and even then the players might just fuck off after a few years, before their prime. You just got him for NOTHING. Nobody cares about a rich ass dude paying a certain amount for his ass, I know I don't. And don't fuck around with that cap space bullshit, when you have Shaq and Kobe for free on your team, you don't need no motherfucking cap space.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on July 17, 2005, 04:25:40 PM
And don't fuck around with that cap space bullshit, when you have Shaq and Kobe for free on your team, you don't need no motherfucking cap space.

you're a fuckin moron  :laugh:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 18, 2005, 12:02:20 PM
and i keep saying this because its the most important factor in my opinion, it moves lamar to the 3 spot..


Did you even read my post?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: herpes on July 18, 2005, 07:58:30 PM
LMFAO @ all the lakers fans that think this trade will make Kwame Brown reach his potential.  Kwame is goin want kobe an phil to hold his hand and they wont be having that shit.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: h cottie is bac-tive? on July 19, 2005, 05:38:28 AM
Kwame Brown will finally get something done in his career or else Phil Jacksons gonna be one unlucky Zen
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Perfection on July 19, 2005, 11:16:21 PM
The Lakers are going to be even worse next year
in what way? please explain

They drafted a player who won't help them til after Phil is gone, & they got Kwame Brown. They got Kwame Brown, need I say more as to why they are going to be worst this upcoming year?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 25, 2005, 04:31:20 AM
The Lakers are going to be even worse next year
in what way? please explain

They drafted a player who won't help them til after Phil is gone, & they got Kwame Brown. They got Kwame Brown, need I say more as to why they are going to be worst this upcoming year?


You are very stupid and have no knowledge whatsoever on the sport of basketball. The end.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Perfection on July 25, 2005, 09:11:27 AM
The Lakers are going to be even worse next year
in what way? please explain

They drafted a player who won't help them til after Phil is gone, & they got Kwame Brown. They got Kwame Brown, need I say more as to why they are going to be worst this upcoming year?


You are very stupid and have no knowledge whatsoever on the sport of basketball. The end.

You just don't like that I'm bashing the Lakers. They are going to be worst this year. Like I said they drafted a high school player who won't be any help for them for about 3 or 4 years. They traded for Kwame Brown who was one of the biggest #1 pick busts of all time & is the soul reason that Micheal Jordan will never be incharge of making those kind of decisions again.
You have the nerve, the nerve to say I don't know anything about basketball. Just because you don't like people speaking the truth about the Lakers, which in this case happens to be that they didn't improve the team for the up coming season doesn't mean you can say that someone has no knowledge of basketball. Don't let your bias overtake your common sense.
By the way I get my info on these subjects from people who know more about basketball than you do.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 25, 2005, 09:37:22 AM
The Lakers are going to be even worse next year
in what way? please explain

They drafted a player who won't help them til after Phil is gone, & they got Kwame Brown. They got Kwame Brown, need I say more as to why they are going to be worst this upcoming year?


You are very stupid and have no knowledge whatsoever on the sport of basketball. The end.

You just don't like that I'm bashing the Lakers. They are going to be worst this year. Like I said they drafted a high school player who won't be any help for them for about 3 or 4 years. They traded for Kwame Brown who was one of the biggest #1 pick busts of all time & is the soul reason that Micheal Jordan will never be incharge of making those kind of decisions again.
You have the nerve, the nerve to say I don't know anything about basketball. Just because you don't like people speaking the truth about the Lakers, which in this case happens to be that they didn't improve the team for the up coming season doesn't mean you can say that someone has no knowledge of basketball. Don't let your bias overtake your common sense.
By the way I get my info on these subjects from people who know more about basketball than you do.


LMAO, where do you get your "info" from? France? LOLLL, you're hilarious...I don't get my info off anyone, I judge for myself, and it's pretty obvious that there's no possible way for the Lakers to be a worse team than they were last year...If you really believe that they will, why don't you put your money where your ass mouth is...I'll send you $15,000 if the Lakers are worse next year. If the Lakers aren't worse next year, I only want $1,500 from you...You'll never get a better offer for a bet than that in your life, so why don't you take it? Come on, you're so sure of it, lets see...Sorry, but every comment you've made on this board regarding NBA basketball has been pure comedy, so just shut up and stick to wrestling, unless you're willing to take that bet...PeACe
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: acbaylove on July 25, 2005, 12:19:36 PM
The Lakers are going to be even worse next year
in what way? please explain

They drafted a player who won't help them til after Phil is gone, & they got Kwame Brown. They got Kwame Brown, need I say more as to why they are going to be worst this upcoming year?


You are very stupid and have no knowledge whatsoever on the sport of basketball. The end.

You just don't like that I'm bashing the Lakers. They are going to be worst this year. Like I said they drafted a high school player who won't be any help for them for about 3 or 4 years. They traded for Kwame Brown who was one of the biggest #1 pick busts of all time & is the soul reason that Micheal Jordan will never be incharge of making those kind of decisions again.
You have the nerve, the nerve to say I don't know anything about basketball. Just because you don't like people speaking the truth about the Lakers, which in this case happens to be that they didn't improve the team for the up coming season doesn't mean you can say that someone has no knowledge of basketball. Don't let your bias overtake your common sense.
By the way I get my info on these subjects from people who know more about basketball than you do.

Sorry to break your heart, but the NBA starts in October, not tomorrow.
Plus, somebody please explain me how adding two player makes a team worse than it was before those two addictions? I dont get it. ::)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Perfection on July 25, 2005, 08:51:55 PM
The Lakers are going to be even worse next year
in what way? please explain

They drafted a player who won't help them til after Phil is gone, & they got Kwame Brown. They got Kwame Brown, need I say more as to why they are going to be worst this upcoming year?


You are very stupid and have no knowledge whatsoever on the sport of basketball. The end.

You just don't like that I'm bashing the Lakers. They are going to be worst this year. Like I said they drafted a high school player who won't be any help for them for about 3 or 4 years. They traded for Kwame Brown who was one of the biggest #1 pick busts of all time & is the soul reason that Micheal Jordan will never be incharge of making those kind of decisions again.
You have the nerve, the nerve to say I don't know anything about basketball. Just because you don't like people speaking the truth about the Lakers, which in this case happens to be that they didn't improve the team for the up coming season doesn't mean you can say that someone has no knowledge of basketball. Don't let your bias overtake your common sense.
By the way I get my info on these subjects from people who know more about basketball than you do.


LMAO, where do you get your "info" from? France? LOLLL, you're hilarious...I don't get my info off anyone, I judge for myself, and it's pretty obvious that there's no possible way for the Lakers to be a worse team than they were last year...If you really believe that they will, why don't you put your money where your ass mouth is...I'll send you $15,000 if the Lakers are worse next year. If the Lakers aren't worse next year, I only want $1,500 from you...You'll never get a better offer for a bet than that in your life, so why don't you take it? Come on, you're so sure of it, lets see...Sorry, but every comment you've made on this board regarding NBA basketball has been pure comedy, so just shut up and stick to wrestling, unless you're willing to take that bet...PeACe

And every comment you've made on NBA basketball have purely been stupid. You're too damn bias. The Lakers trade players like Coron Butler & in return receive a talent of lesser value. The wasted their 1st round pick by picking the high schooler. Face facts the Lakers aren't as great as you think or want them to be. See I've noticed that you've only disagreed with the comment I've made about the Lakers even though a lot of what I say is based on fact & not some fantasy. This is fact Phil Jackson said the Lakers won't be real contenders for at least 3 years. That is fact, he said that at the press conference to introduce him. And since it's fact & it doesn't tell you what you want to hear about your team, you'll probably say he never said that.

By the way I'm not going to take you up on you're bet because I don't want you to have any idea where I live. It's not that I think your some weirdo I just that I don't give my address over forums. I bet a lot of people wouldn't give thier addresses over internet forums.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 26, 2005, 05:00:03 AM
The Lakers are going to be even worse next year
in what way? please explain

They drafted a player who won't help them til after Phil is gone, & they got Kwame Brown. They got Kwame Brown, need I say more as to why they are going to be worst this upcoming year?


You are very stupid and have no knowledge whatsoever on the sport of basketball. The end.

You just don't like that I'm bashing the Lakers. They are going to be worst this year. Like I said they drafted a high school player who won't be any help for them for about 3 or 4 years. They traded for Kwame Brown who was one of the biggest #1 pick busts of all time & is the soul reason that Micheal Jordan will never be incharge of making those kind of decisions again.
You have the nerve, the nerve to say I don't know anything about basketball. Just because you don't like people speaking the truth about the Lakers, which in this case happens to be that they didn't improve the team for the up coming season doesn't mean you can say that someone has no knowledge of basketball. Don't let your bias overtake your common sense.
By the way I get my info on these subjects from people who know more about basketball than you do.


LMAO, where do you get your "info" from? France? LOLLL, you're hilarious...I don't get my info off anyone, I judge for myself, and it's pretty obvious that there's no possible way for the Lakers to be a worse team than they were last year...If you really believe that they will, why don't you put your money where your ass mouth is...I'll send you $15,000 if the Lakers are worse next year. If the Lakers aren't worse next year, I only want $1,500 from you...You'll never get a better offer for a bet than that in your life, so why don't you take it? Come on, you're so sure of it, lets see...Sorry, but every comment you've made on this board regarding NBA basketball has been pure comedy, so just shut up and stick to wrestling, unless you're willing to take that bet...PeACe

And every comment you've made on NBA basketball have purely been stupid. You're too damn bias. The Lakers trade players like Coron Butler & in return receive a talent of lesser value. The wasted their 1st round pick by picking the high schooler. Face facts the Lakers aren't as great as you think or want them to be. See I've noticed that you've only disagreed with the comment I've made about the Lakers even though a lot of what I say is based on fact & not some fantasy. This is fact Phil Jackson said the Lakers won't be real contenders for at least 3 years. That is fact, he said that at the press conference to introduce him. And since it's fact & it doesn't tell you what you want to hear about your team, you'll probably say he never said that.

By the way I'm not going to take you up on you're bet because I don't want you to have any idea where I live. It's not that I think your some weirdo I just that I don't give my address over forums. I bet a lot of people wouldn't give thier addresses over internet forums.


LMAO, nice excuse buddy...It's called a P.O. Box...You're telling me that you wouldn't set yourself up a P.O. Box for $15,000? And how am I biased? I said I didn't like the Kwame Brown trade, you piece of shit...And didn't you read my thoughts about the Lakers picking Andrew Bynum in the thread I made? You fucking idiot, come up with more shit to say...Laker fan or not, everyone knows there's no possible way for the Lakers to be a worse team than they were last year. Show me one analyst who thinks that, in fact, even Laker haters know that the Lakers will obviously have a better season than last years catashtrophe...Sometimes I wonder if you even get NBA games in your country...

P.S. Phil Jackson said he didn't know if the Lakers would be contenders next year and he said they were close to signing an impact player which would definitely get them at least into the playoffs...So if we're going by what Phil Jackson said, you need to shut yo ass up...PeACe
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Perfection on July 26, 2005, 07:51:46 AM
The Lakers are going to be even worse next year
in what way? please explain

They drafted a player who won't help them til after Phil is gone, & they got Kwame Brown. They got Kwame Brown, need I say more as to why they are going to be worst this upcoming year?


You are very stupid and have no knowledge whatsoever on the sport of basketball. The end.

You just don't like that I'm bashing the Lakers. They are going to be worst this year. Like I said they drafted a high school player who won't be any help for them for about 3 or 4 years. They traded for Kwame Brown who was one of the biggest #1 pick busts of all time & is the soul reason that Micheal Jordan will never be incharge of making those kind of decisions again.
You have the nerve, the nerve to say I don't know anything about basketball. Just because you don't like people speaking the truth about the Lakers, which in this case happens to be that they didn't improve the team for the up coming season doesn't mean you can say that someone has no knowledge of basketball. Don't let your bias overtake your common sense.
By the way I get my info on these subjects from people who know more about basketball than you do.


LMAO, where do you get your "info" from? France? LOLLL, you're hilarious...I don't get my info off anyone, I judge for myself, and it's pretty obvious that there's no possible way for the Lakers to be a worse team than they were last year...If you really believe that they will, why don't you put your money where your ass mouth is...I'll send you $15,000 if the Lakers are worse next year. If the Lakers aren't worse next year, I only want $1,500 from you...You'll never get a better offer for a bet than that in your life, so why don't you take it? Come on, you're so sure of it, lets see...Sorry, but every comment you've made on this board regarding NBA basketball has been pure comedy, so just shut up and stick to wrestling, unless you're willing to take that bet...PeACe

And every comment you've made on NBA basketball have purely been stupid. You're too damn bias. The Lakers trade players like Coron Butler & in return receive a talent of lesser value. The wasted their 1st round pick by picking the high schooler. Face facts the Lakers aren't as great as you think or want them to be. See I've noticed that you've only disagreed with the comment I've made about the Lakers even though a lot of what I say is based on fact & not some fantasy. This is fact Phil Jackson said the Lakers won't be real contenders for at least 3 years. That is fact, he said that at the press conference to introduce him. And since it's fact & it doesn't tell you what you want to hear about your team, you'll probably say he never said that.

By the way I'm not going to take you up on you're bet because I don't want you to have any idea where I live. It's not that I think your some weirdo I just that I don't give my address over forums. I bet a lot of people wouldn't give thier addresses over internet forums.


LMAO, nice excuse buddy...It's called a P.O. Box...You're telling me that you wouldn't set yourself up a P.O. Box for $15,000? And how am I biased? I said I didn't like the Kwame Brown trade, you piece of shit...And didn't you read my thoughts about the Lakers picking Andrew Bynum in the thread I made? You fucking idiot, come up with more shit to say...Laker fan or not, everyone knows there's no possible way for the Lakers to be a worse team than they were last year. Show me one analyst who thinks that, in fact, even Laker haters know that the Lakers will obviously have a better season than last years catashtrophe...Sometimes I wonder if you even get NBA games in your country...

P.S. Phil Jackson said he didn't know if the Lakers would be contenders next year and he said they were close to signing an impact player which would definitely get them at least into the playoffs...So if we're going by what Phil Jackson said, you need to shut yo ass up...PeACe

I don't want you to have any idea where I live period end of story. If you don't like the trade or the draft pick then why are you getting angry at me for bashing them both? People here always seem to disagree with what Phil Jackson says. He writes in his book that Kobe is uncoachable, & I let people know that; and people say that is wrong. Whatever it's a losing battle with stubbron people.
As for your comment about you not thinking that the country I live in doesn't get NBA games, you obvisously haven't been to Canada which use to have 2 now it's down to one NBA team. A sports network like TSN which covers sports just as good as ESPN & shows a lot of ESPN programming. See now you're the fucking idoit because you thought people in Canada didn't get NBA games. I mean that's just sad not to know that considering Canada does have a team in the Toronto Raptors.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 26, 2005, 09:46:49 AM
I don't want you to have any idea where I live period end of story.


Sonned  8)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Perfection on July 26, 2005, 05:58:08 PM
I don't want you to have any idea where I live period end of story.


Sonned  8)

I don't do any form of drugs. I'm not into screwing up my life. Got that. You're lucky I don't sue for damaging of character or whatever it's called when you sue someone for publicly telling lies about someone else.

I'm not into disrespecting people. See I could've called you a Laker loving donkey fucker, but I didn't because I feel that it's wrong to say stuff that disrepects someone else personally.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 27, 2005, 07:20:49 AM


I don't do any form of drugs. I'm not into screwing up my life. Got that. You're lucky I don't sue for damaging of character or whatever it's called when you sue someone for publicly telling lies about someone else.

I'm not into disrespecting people. See I could've called you a Laker loving donkey fucker, but I didn't because I feel that it's wrong to say stuff that disrepects someone else personally.


^Possibly one of the most meaningless posts in WCC history. :-\
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Perfection on July 27, 2005, 11:10:07 AM


I don't do any form of drugs. I'm not into screwing up my life. Got that. You're lucky I don't sue for damaging of character or whatever it's called when you sue someone for publicly telling lies about someone else.

I'm not into disrespecting people. See I could've called you a Laker loving donkey fucker, but I didn't because I feel that it's wrong to say stuff that disrepects someone else personally.


^Possibly one of the most meaningless posts in WCC history. :-\

I've seen come of the crap you have written in the past, & what I wrote there doesn't come close to some of the pointless crapp you've written.
But what I sadid there I'll stand by it because if you imply that someone does drugs & they don't then you should get sued simple as that. Bitch
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 27, 2005, 11:20:15 AM


I don't do any form of drugs. I'm not into screwing up my life. Got that. You're lucky I don't sue for damaging of character or whatever it's called when you sue someone for publicly telling lies about someone else.

I'm not into disrespecting people. See I could've called you a Laker loving donkey fucker, but I didn't because I feel that it's wrong to say stuff that disrepects someone else personally.


^Possibly one of the most meaningless posts in WCC history. :-\

I've seen come of the crap you have written in the past, & what I wrote there doesn't come close to some of the pointless crapp you've written.
But what I sadid there I'll stand by it because if you imply that someone does drugs & they don't then you should get sued simple as that. Bitch


What the fuck are you saying? Does anybody understand this moron?
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Perfection on July 27, 2005, 06:33:39 PM


I don't do any form of drugs. I'm not into screwing up my life. Got that. You're lucky I don't sue for damaging of character or whatever it's called when you sue someone for publicly telling lies about someone else.

I'm not into disrespecting people. See I could've called you a Laker loving donkey fucker, but I didn't because I feel that it's wrong to say stuff that disrepects someone else personally.


^Possibly one of the most meaningless posts in WCC history. :-\

I've seen some of the crap you have written in the past, & what I wrote there doesn't come close to some of the pointless crap you've written.
But what I before there I'll stand by it because if you imply that someone does drugs & they don't then you should get sued simple as that. Bitch


What the fuck are you saying? Does anybody understand this moron?

You implied that I did drugs by saying that I was stoned. All I'm saying is that your lucky you don't get sued for that because people have been sued before for accusing others of doing drugs. How is what I said hard to understand? Bitch
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Javier on July 27, 2005, 10:46:13 PM
just end it guys.  Love Peace and Basketball?  :wavey:
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: TobyTizzle on July 27, 2005, 10:51:59 PM
LMAO he said Sonned not Stonned lol

also, just because someone isnt in America does not automatically mean they cant know shit about bball NIK... (which u kinda implied with that france comment) maybe I will sue you now  8) lol
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Javier on July 27, 2005, 10:53:31 PM
LMAO he said Sonned not Stonned lol




lmao!!
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 28, 2005, 05:54:56 AM


I don't do any form of drugs. I'm not into screwing up my life. Got that. You're lucky I don't sue for damaging of character or whatever it's called when you sue someone for publicly telling lies about someone else.

I'm not into disrespecting people. See I could've called you a Laker loving donkey fucker, but I didn't because I feel that it's wrong to say stuff that disrepects someone else personally.


^Possibly one of the most meaningless posts in WCC history. :-\

I've seen some of the crap you have written in the past, & what I wrote there doesn't come close to some of the pointless crap you've written.
But what I before there I'll stand by it because if you imply that someone does drugs & they don't then you should get sued simple as that. Bitch


What the fuck are you saying? Does anybody understand this moron?

You implied that I did drugs by saying that I was stoned. All I'm saying is that your lucky you don't get sued for that because people have been sued before for accusing others of doing drugs. How is what I said hard to understand? Bitch


LMAO!! Classic...You really are a retard.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: 7even on August 04, 2005, 10:33:13 AM
So they really gave away Butler and Atkins for Brown and Profit? This trade is beyond horrible for the Lakers. No wonder other GMs call Wizard's GM a thief.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Juronimo on March 27, 2006, 07:59:00 PM
Fuckin horrible.  ::) >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:( >:(

What the fuck is Mitch Kupchak thinking???




 :-[ I'll just eat my words now...
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: GangstaBoogy on March 27, 2006, 08:25:46 PM
^lol yeah me too...for now! the way he's played in the last 3 games is the way the lakers have been wanting him to play all season. looks like he's just in time for the playoffs, i just hope he keeps it up.

kwame brown = the lakers' jermaine o'neal
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on March 27, 2006, 09:30:04 PM
The Lakers are going to be even worse next year

LOL 4 more wins then last year and counting 8)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on March 27, 2006, 09:32:29 PM
I don't like the trade, but it ain't final yet...Phil had a plan to start Caron at PG next year, which sounded a lot better to me than Kwame Brown...I didn't think Kwame is worth Butler, let alone Butler AND another player...Hopefully the trade doesn't go through, but if it does, I hope it works out for the best...PeACe

 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on March 27, 2006, 09:33:33 PM
what the fuck are you guys talking about?..Caron is not our future SF,Lamar is...we might as well get something for Caron before he leaves b/c the Lakers were not going to re-sign him when his contract is up in a tear or 2.

We are not making cap room for Caron ,we're making cap room for  Yao Ming or Amare Stoudmire..

@ least we got a young athletic big man,he went through hell in washington that's why he playd bad, hopefully coming to L.A & playing with kobe & been coach by phil could rejuvnate his career 8)

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Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on March 27, 2006, 09:36:11 PM
LMFAO @ all the lakers fans that think this trade will make Kwame Brown reach his potential.  Kwame is goin want kobe an phil to hold his hand and they wont be having that shit.

 ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on March 27, 2006, 09:38:13 PM
Inglewood Ave is exsposing everyone. Try to find one on me. :P
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on March 27, 2006, 09:44:32 PM
So they really gave away Butler and Atkins for Brown and Profit? This trade is beyond horrible for the Lakers. No wonder other GMs call Wizard's GM a thief.

 ::) ::)  Lets see..he owned the wallace boys, tim duncan. your mavs the 1st meeting of the season and is balling the last couple of weeks...yeah, it was horrible ::) ::)  he's only going to get better ,watch.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Teddy Roosevelt on March 27, 2006, 09:46:34 PM
Your getting a little ahead of yourself. He's had a strech of great games, but let's see what it boils down to in the playoffs.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on March 27, 2006, 09:51:23 PM
What i like about Kwame is that he's holding on to the ball and he's not missing lay-ups and dunks :-[  he's FINALLY finishing strong.

I think it would be a mistake for Phil to give Mihm his job back.

next season......

C: Kwame / Andrew Bynum.....trade Mihm, or release him
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: GangstaBoogy on March 27, 2006, 11:09:03 PM
^yeah we should be able to get someone decent for mihm. bynum is definatly the future of the team.

next season prediction

Andrew Bynum
Kwame Brown
Kevin Garnett
Kobe Bryant
Smush Parker
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Juronimo on March 28, 2006, 10:22:43 AM
^lol yeah me too...for now! the way he's played in the last 3 games is the way the lakers have been wanting him to play all season. looks like he's just in time for the playoffs, i just hope he keeps it up.

kwame brown = the lakers' jermaine o'neal

When I saw Kwame in preseason, that's when I realized the Lakers made the right decision. Initially I thought it was horrible. I guess that's why I'm not the GM, heh.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on March 28, 2006, 11:50:53 AM
LMAO...Everyone already knew that I originally didn't agree with the trade, Antonio brought that up a million times already while we argued about whether Kwame is good or worth what we gave away. I liked Butler a lot, he was a good Laker, good for the organization, fans, etc.... I was saddened to see him go...After Phil Jackson explained the trade, the need for more bigs, and the potential he saw in Kwame, I was totally willing to give it a chance...While I was giving Kwame a chance, you guys were shitting all over him, wishing he'd die, saying he sucked, saying he wouldn't be in the NBA if he wasn't picked first...I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SAID IT LIKE IT WAS... 8)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on March 28, 2006, 12:17:07 PM
Did someone say something about exposing?

Kwamae Brown is fucking garbage..the Lakers got the ball to him like 4 straight times in the 2nd quarter and he looked like the worst post player in NBA history

What are you guys expecting, a miracle? You thought Kwame would all of a sudden just completely turn himself around in the span 6 games and play to perfection? It takes time to get with the system, and obviously, Kwame is very lost right now...Kwame hasn't failed under the Lakers just yet, you fuckers are jumping the gun way too soon. He looks way too raw for a 5th year player, I agree, but that's why I believe in him. I believe that if he learns to play consistant and more alert, which he hasn't been doing, he can be a factor. That'll take more than 6 games to achieve under Phil Jackson.. Now you guys don't see potential in Kwame? What about his first half performance vs. Minnesota where Kwame outperformed KG? He locked up KG very efficiently and proved to Laker fans that he CAN defend against the bigs of the west. He at least has been a good defensive present thus far, he just needs to learn how to utilize his talent more often, especially on the offensive end. Kwame is rushing his shot right now. Best believe that he wont be doing that under Phil come April...It's way too soon to be shit-talking, you need to give it a chance.

You hated the trade too.
Never hated the trade. Maybe disagreed with it at first, but never hated.

Nik, I hope you're right. I'm a little worried. I know it's only been 7 games but still...

So what the Lakers need to do is Trade Odom & a first round pick for Marbury (he's on the trading block) and then,tell me if you agree with this..

LMFAO^^^

At least Slava can knock down mid-range jumpers, K. Bust can't do anything. Really. What can he do? Seriously, what? He has no jumper, no post moves, doesn't get a lot of rebounds for his size, no awareness, he's completely lost, can't shoot free throws...
Get the fuck outta here with potential this potential that.
First of all, WTF is wrong with you? Are you saying Medvadenko is more talented and gifted than Kwame? LMAO. Alright, Kwame IS lost, but he DOES have post moves, he CAN grab rebounds, and brings forth a great defensive presence almost every night. He has the ability to do all those things about 5,000 times better than Medvadenko...He just doesn't utilize his capabilities as much as he should and probably will in the future...Once again, it's not like he's been a complete flop, he's shown signs of a BEAST. Hell, he even had a pretty cool 11/8 season before being shot down the next season once again...He's just currently a lost cause. If you are expecting ANYTHING to change 7 games into the season, you are fucking nuts...Give Phil and his plans a chance to work, don't just instantly hate... :-X

Jesus, please come back to planet Earth, Nik!  Kwame ain't worth a starting job in the Lakers. Matter of fact he wasn't even worth a starting job in the Wizards, and he didn't even make the playoffs roster, in the past season. He's too raw, and being so raw in the 5th year in the league means you have no real basketball IQ. You can't be serious comparing him to O'Neal and Horry, man. Shit even grandfather Malone was better than him. Even Odom playing out of position was better than him. Don't be surprised if in a pair of weeks Phil will move Brown to the bench and Odom to the PF spot again, with George entering the starting 5. A project? Ok, he might be a project. But he should get the same minutage of our other projects, like Bynum, Wafer, Vujacic, Green, etc.. And yes, that trade was fucking horrible. I don't want to discuss about it with you no more, at least since when Kwame will deserve to be even compared to Butler. He's just another Samaki Walker, man. But the fact he got drafted higher is completely fooling you. He cant rebound (5.5 rpg in career is fucking ridiculous! Even Odom can grab the double of his rebounds!), he have no post moves, he doesnt have a mid-range jumper, he can't pass the ball (Mihm is doubling him in assists. I said Chris Mihm! And you know how important it is to share the ball playing for the triangle system), he can't stay concentrated for more than 5 consecutive minutes, he's struggling defending against quick PF's (for every good first half against Garnett there are other 7 games where he struggled, man!), he has no fucking basketball IQ, and he looks totally lost on the court. That's the reality. You're still living in a dream, man. Wake up.

Don't worry about NIK, man. He's lost. Like Kwame.
LMAO...I'm lost, when you guys are SUPPOSED to be Laker fans and are calling Kwame a bust 8 games into the season(!!!) when he hasn't had any HORRIBLE games, just not any great ones yet...I can't wait until you will officially renounce your Laker-fan pass when the Lakers easily slide into the playoffs this season with the starting 5 of Chris, Kwame, Odom, Kobe, and Smush...
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: 7even on March 28, 2006, 12:36:53 PM
Let's not overrate him cause he had a couple good games. Or I make thread after thread if he starts playing bad again. Which he will.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on March 28, 2006, 12:39:09 PM
Let's not overrate him cause he had a couple good games. Or I make thread after thread if he starts playing bad again. Which he will.


Nobody's overrating him...It's just that not many people expected him to play this good by the end of this season. And it's not like he just had 2 good games, he's been averaging like 14 points and 9 rebounds in the last 10-15 games...PeACe
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: 7even on March 28, 2006, 12:41:46 PM
Let's not overrate him cause he had a couple good games. Or I make thread after thread if he starts playing bad again. Which he will.


Nobody's overrating him...It's just that not many people expected him to play this good by the end of this season. And it's not like he just had 2 good games, he's been averaging like 14 points and 9 rebounds in the last 10-15 games...PeACe

It just pisses me off that those success-orientated niggas are on his nuts now when they dissed him earlier, acting as if they always knew. That Inglewood Ave dude, acting as if he's exposing shit when he said even worse shit about Kwame a couple months ago. Fag.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on March 28, 2006, 12:59:11 PM
Let's not overrate him cause he had a couple good games. Or I make thread after thread if he starts playing bad again. Which he will.


Nobody's overrating him...It's just that not many people expected him to play this good by the end of this season. And it's not like he just had 2 good games, he's been averaging like 14 points and 9 rebounds in the last 10-15 games...PeACe

It just pisses me off that those success-orientated niggas are on his nuts now when they dissed him earlier, acting as if they always knew. That Inglewood Ave dude, acting as if he's exposing shit when he said even worse shit about Kwame a couple months ago. Fag.


I agree.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on March 28, 2006, 02:05:36 PM
Im not a homer like you, I like to stay in the moment. And at that moment both Lamar and Kwame were pathetic. sorry for calling it like it is. ::)  :-*
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on March 28, 2006, 02:29:37 PM
Im not a homer like you, I like to stay in the moment. And at that moment both Lamar and Kwame were pathetic. sorry for calling it like it is. ::)  :-*


Yes, I am a homer for keeping faith in my players and not kicking them while they're down, if that's your definition for homer, which it seems to be...Come on, man, instead of giving me props, you talk shit...Kwame and Lamar were not pathetic, they were learning the triangle and getting comfortable in a brand new system, you fuckin' dumbass. That's what you fail to understand...And to top it off, you act as if you're actually exposing something by bringing up old quotes of people dissing the Kwame trade, when in fact you were the biggest Kwame hater at the time Kwame was struggling... ::)
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Stone Cold is Bout It, Bout It on March 28, 2006, 02:40:59 PM
99.9 % of Lakers fans were calling him out...that's what happens when you play bad :stupid: The same with Lamar.

And LOL @ "i was saddened to see Butler go"  you were saddened to see a player go that HELPED the Lakers go to the Lottery ???  LOL you're to emotional.
Title: Re: BREAKING NEWS: LAKERS TO ACQUIRE KWAME BROWN
Post by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on March 28, 2006, 05:44:34 PM
99.9 % of Lakers fans were calling him out...that's what happens when you play bad :stupid: The same with Lamar.

And LOL @ "i was saddened to see Butler go"  you were saddened to see a player go that HELPED the Lakers go to the Lottery ???  LOL you're to emotional.


LMAO. You are pathetic. You have no Laker pride whatsoever. Every true Laker fan didn't like seeing Butler leave the team, he was one of the upsides of our horrible 2004-2005 season...PeACe