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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: ikke on December 09, 2009, 10:18:06 AM
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It's really pathetic if you think about it.
Music is all subjective who cares if they like something you don't.
Are fans of mainstream hiphop your inferior?
Not saying I'm completly free of this.
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it's not even about mainstream vs underground. it's more about "my opinion > yours"
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It's really pathetic if you think about it.
Music is all subjective who cares if they like something you don't.
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it's not even about mainstream vs underground. it's more about "my opinion > yours"
THIS.
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They tend to have more hip hop knowledge than your average rap fan. Maybe their opinion carries more weight?
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because they are superior. people who know bout the rakims and the tribe called quests out there are superior to those who dont, duh
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yeah, when you got people thinking Tha Carter III is one of the best rap albums ever, it shows.
EDIT: not saying people who are fans of mainstream music don't know anything. i am a fan of mainstream music; i can bump Em, 50, T.I., Luda, Game, etc.
but people who don't much, if anything, about the underground scene probably don't know much.
if they don't know any New West Artists, Tech N9ne, Immortal Technique or guys like that, chances are they don't know too much.
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Because they're elitist assholes with complexes. They're too concerned about classifying what is and isn't hip-hop instead of enjoying life.
At the same time there are legitimate complaints when people parade around any album as "the greatest ever." A lack of education shows and it's sorry but if they're business is pimpin' it ain't none of mine, so I'll mind my own.
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it's not even about mainstream vs underground. it's more about "my opinion > yours"
ha!
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There are usually 3 types of hip hop fans:
1) There's the knowledgeable hip hop fan who is up on the Rakims and the Chuck Ds, and is also up on the newer stuff, has both an open mind and is able to critique music when its weak.
2) There's the "fan" who only listens to what's "hot" and gets radio play, can't name more than 1 or two underground rappers at most and doesn't know the history of hip hop during the 80s and 90s. Hasn't even listened to the classic older albums.
3) There's the elitist who only listens to older or underground music and says hip hop is dead, yet hasn't even heard any of the new stuff
in my opinion, 1 is superior to both 2 and 3
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I agree. The 1st type is more or less educated on hip-hop history while aware that people enjoy different tastes. They then make selection of listening to whatever they like. They can more or less legitimately critique an artist without hating. Though stans will say it's hating but pointing out an artist's flaw is just pointing out an artist flaw, it's not hating. Type 1 can appreciate both type 2 and type 3 arguments while finding a middle ground; type 2 and type 3 can't.
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They tend to have more hip hop knowledge than your average rap fan. Maybe their opinion carries more weight?
yep. People who know the history and culture of hip-hop you have to respect their opinions more.
The only thing I dont' like is when people are afraid to state the obvious, just because they want their opinion to stand out from more mainstream fans. For example, people who say somethin like Big L was iller than Eminem back when everything Eminem was puttin out was fire.
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it's not even about mainstream vs underground. it's more about "my opinion > yours"
It sounds like some faggots who are trying to be different.
They tend to have more hip hop knowledge than your average rap fan. Maybe their opinion carries more weight?
True, but patronizing people because of the music they prefer really makes you look pathetic.
And it's basically the same as who knows the most about starwars
There are usually 3 types of hip hop fans:
1) There's the knowledgeable hip hop fan who is up on the Rakims and the Chuck Ds, and is also up on the newer stuff, has both an open mind and is able to critique music when its weak.
2) There's the "fan" who only listens to what's "hot" and gets radio play, can't name more than 1 or two underground rappers at most and doesn't know the history of hip hop during the 80s and 90s. Hasn't even listened to the classic older albums.
3) There's the elitist who only listens to older or underground music and says hip hop is dead, yet hasn't even heard any of the new stuff
in my opinion, 1 is superior to both 2 and 3
Here it starts looking like trying to be the best at the special olympics.
The only thing I dont' like is when people are afraid to state the obvious, just because they want their opinion to stand out from more mainstream fans. For example, people who say somethin like Big L was iller than Eminem back when everything Eminem was puttin out was fire.
No fucking way Eminem is better then Big L...
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is all about peoples taste in music and from what generation they are
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interesting one.
people can have an opinion on any music they want just based on what sounds good to them. that's really important to an individual's taste and you can't argue against it as such.
most people that are primarily fans of mainstream hip-hop have not heard much other hip-hop though. and the best stuff is generally not the best known.
you can't hate on people for not digging deep into any specific genre if they get enjoyment from the mainstream stuff and have no desire to explore further. for me though, the digging deep is the fun part of being a music enthusiast, that's where you start to find stuff that surprises and delights you and refines your tastes further 8)
so fans of 'mainstream' stuff are not inferior by any means, but by my own logic, if you like something, it makes sense that you would want to find out more about it and explore it further. i love a lot of 'mainstream' music, but often for different reasons.
and with hip-hop in particular i would say that a strong understanding of the history of all the elements within the culture really enhances the enjoyment of the music, but that's a whole different conversation.
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i just wanna know who all of these people are who don't know about the Rakim's and such. i've never seen em a day in my life, ever, and i mean that. i wanna meet these people who say "tha carter" (classic btw) and "the documentary" are the greatest albums to ever come out. they have to be white kids, real talk, cuz like i said i've never met half of the people who say and claim and don't know about all of the rappers before their peers that some old heads always keep saying. shit, young niggaz 6 and 8 know about KRS1 and Mack 10 and everybody else pre 1995. and i aint just talkin rap music im talkin oldies but goodies, funk, jazz, and all that... dont know where the fuck y'all be seein shit at lol. we were raised off of all of this GOOD music, it's kinda hard not 2 know.
but as far as opinions goe, rock music is tha same way with old heads, same can be said for soul music old heads, being on hip hop message boards daily can taint your judgement on shit like that. and if u can't rock with the new shit then your opinion sucks (of course not all of the new shit, but some of that shit ain't half bad either)
"Real" hip hop fans must be the white boys LMAO! i said that joking and sarcastically
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulw6tL7I6QE
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i just wanna know who all of these people are who don't know about the Rakim's and such. i've never seen em a day in my life, ever, and i mean that.
Alot of the younger generation don't know about the Rakim's, JMJs etc. Half this board are late 80s/90s babies.
is all about peoples taste in music and from what generation they are
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i just wanna know who all of these people are who don't know about the Rakim's and such. i've never seen em a day in my life, ever, and i mean that.
Alot of the younger generation don't know about the Rakim's, JMJs etc. Half this board are late 80s/90s babies.
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then they're just white kids and that's perfectly fine and normal.
that's the problem with some of the bloggers on here (not really goin at u) but they just dont know how to take a straight answer and leave it at that, too much disection, too much discussion, when a muthafucka tell u something, take it or leave it (and u should probably believe it, if it's reasonable). all that digging and "spittin knowledge" shit is for the birds. it's cool 2 talk and discuss at times (i'm guilty of that) but too much fucks with ur brain
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i just wanna know who all of these people are who don't know about the Rakim's and such. i've never seen em a day in my life, ever, and i mean that.
Alot of the younger generation don't know about the Rakim's, JMJs etc. Half this board are late 80s/90s babies.
then they're just white kids and that's perfectly fine and normal.
that's the problem with some of the bloggers on here (not really goin at u) but they just dont know how to take a straight answer and leave it at that, too much disection, too much discussion, when a muthafucka tell u something, take it or leave it (and u should probably believe it, if it's reasonable). all that digging and "spittin knowledge" shit is for the birds. it's cool 2 talk and discuss at times (i'm guilty of that) but too much fucks with ur brain
and also u stop getting out the house as much and all of a sudden the internet becomes your world (or your only extention to society/the world) and it creates this false sense of what's really real and what's exaggerated.
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fuck all that hippity hoppity bullshit
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Real men listen to steel panther
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Real men listen to steel panther
no homo ;D
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because white people have to be snobbish about something.
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because white people have to be snobbish about something.
lmao. well played
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i can honestly line up 30 black kids and they will tell you Tha Carter III is one of the great albums.
white kids are the ones who think Wayne is weak compared to the likes of underground rappers.
you're just a blatant racist lol.
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i can honestly line up 30 black kids and they will tell you Tha Carter III is one of the great albums.
white kids are the ones who think Wayne is weak compared to the likes of underground rappers.
you're just a blatant racist lol.
The only reason radiotube knows anything about hip hop is because he started coming to this site.
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i can honestly line up 30 black kids and they will tell you Tha Carter III is one of the great albums.
white kids are the ones who think Wayne is weak compared to the likes of underground rappers.
you're just a blatant racist lol.
The only reason radiotube knows anything about hip hop is because he started coming to this site.
well outta those 30 i can name 100000 more that will say something different, and what's wrong with likin Lil Wayne as your favorite. just bcuz we hear something 1way doesn't mean they'll hear it the same. see , i've noticed how u try 2 stay color blind like shit is all tha same out this muhfucka and it ain't. hip hop ISNT color blind, some of the top dawgz only say it bcuz they've been told to or they don't wanna jeopardize their f sponsors. y'all will try 2 fight me tooth and nail about it bcuz that's what y'all do. but the lameness in trying to not justify the difference is wack. see, ima be me, ima tell it 2 u like it iz, you talk too much, you always fuckin wit somebody
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^it's not you, it's the retardation of what you say lol.
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There are usually 3 types of hip hop fans:
1) There's the knowledgeable hip hop fan who is up on the Rakims and the Chuck Ds, and is also up on the newer stuff, has both an open mind and is able to critique music when its weak.
2) There's the "fan" who only listens to what's "hot" and gets radio play, can't name more than 1 or two underground rappers at most and doesn't know the history of hip hop during the 80s and 90s. Hasn't even listened to the classic older albums.
3) There's the elitist who only listens to older or underground music and says hip hop is dead, yet hasn't even heard any of the new stuff
in my opinion, 1 is superior to both 2 and 3
^^ that definately sums me up. I def prefer old school hip hop but i do keep up with the new rap/hip hop coming out today and Some of its good (cept anything on the radio - thats all bullshit).
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it's all truth tho
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i can honestly line up 30 black kids and they will tell you Tha Carter III is one of the great albums.
white kids are the ones who think Wayne is weak compared to the likes of underground rappers.
you're just a blatant racist lol.
The only reason radiotube knows anything about hip hop is because he started coming to this site.
well outta those 30 i can name 100000 more that will say something different, and what's wrong with likin Lil Wayne as your favorite. just bcuz we hear something 1way doesn't mean they'll hear it the same. see , i've noticed how u try 2 stay color blind like shit is all tha same out this muhfucka and it ain't. hip hop ISNT color blind, some of the top dawgz only say it bcuz they've been told to or they don't wanna jeopardize their f sponsors. y'all will try 2 fight me tooth and nail about it bcuz that's what y'all do. but the lameness in trying to not justify the difference is wack. see, ima be me, ima tell it 2 u like it iz, you talk too much, you always fuckin wit somebody
Nothing's wrong with having lil wayne as your favorite rapper. Its all opinion and everyone has one. But the truth is that whenever I talk to some like that, I'll bring up a name like Big Daddy Kane and they won't even know who he is. So how is their opinion on hip hop as relevant as mine if they don't even know anything about it's history or the artists? It's like comparing a scientist to a kid who has done a few experiments in school. One simply has more knowledge and knows what he is talking about. It's like asking me about jazz. I barely know anything about jazz, so my opinion on jazz isn't relevant compared to someone who is a serious jazz fan.
And on the subject of race. Hip hop isn't exactly color blind, but you will try to bring race into anything. Both white kids and black kids are ignorant about hip hop. You ask a black kid about an 80s rapper, chances are he won't know jack shit. You bring up race when it doesn't have anything to do with the discussion. Probably because you don't have anything else to talk about.
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There are usually 3 types of hip hop fans:
1) There's the knowledgeable hip hop fan who is up on the Rakims and the Chuck Ds, and is also up on the newer stuff, has both an open mind and is able to critique music when its weak.
2) There's the "fan" who only listens to what's "hot" and gets radio play, can't name more than 1 or two underground rappers at most and doesn't know the history of hip hop during the 80s and 90s. Hasn't even listened to the classic older albums.
3) There's the elitist who only listens to older or underground music and says hip hop is dead, yet hasn't even heard any of the new stuff
in my opinion, 1 is superior to both 2 and 3
I consider my self as (1)...i love the new stuff,when they talking about something.. if its dope its dope...yet i cant get enough of the old stuff,cause its timeless.
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i just wanna know who all of these people are who don't know about the Rakim's and such. i've never seen em a day in my life, ever, and i mean that.
Alot of the younger generation don't know about the Rakim's, JMJs etc. Half this board are late 80s/90s babies.
then they're just white kids and that's perfectly fine and normal.
that's the problem with some of the bloggers on here (not really goin at u) but they just dont know how to take a straight answer and leave it at that, too much disection, too much discussion, when a muthafucka tell u something, take it or leave it (and u should probably believe it, if it's reasonable). all that digging and "spittin knowledge" shit is for the birds. it's cool 2 talk and discuss at times (i'm guilty of that) but too much fucks with ur brain
[/quote]only dumb hip hop fan would say that
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i just wanna know who all of these people are who don't know about the Rakim's and such. i've never seen em a day in my life, ever, and i mean that.
Alot of the younger generation don't know about the Rakim's, JMJs etc. Half this board are late 80s/90s babies.
then they're just white kids and that's perfectly fine and normal.
that's the problem with some of the bloggers on here (not really goin at u) but they just dont know how to take a straight answer and leave it at that, too much disection, too much discussion, when a muthafucka tell u something, take it or leave it (and u should probably believe it, if it's reasonable). all that digging and "spittin knowledge" shit is for the birds. it's cool 2 talk and discuss at times (i'm guilty of that) but too much fucks with ur brain
only dumb hip hop fan would say that
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yeah go fight with your mother