West Coast Connection Forum
DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: R-Tistic on November 19, 2008, 09:15:52 AM
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Most of us know that Kam "invented" the "W" to represent Watts, and that Ice Cube flipped it and used it for "Westside." In 95-96, it seemed like everybody in L.A. was throwin up the "W", and it almost became novelty to an extent.
After talking to younger rap fans and those from other regions, it seems as if most of them feel as if 2Pac either "created" the sign, or as if he is the reason it was so big. He threw it up on the cover of "All eyez on me" which was a much bigger album than Westside Connection's was. I could be biased since I was in L.A., and wasn't able to see what the rest of the nation knew about...but I feel that the hand sign, along with the "Westsiiiiiiiiide" chant that you heard on all of the WSC's songs is what made the term/sign so major. I remember the episode when they came on Jamie Foxx, and everybody on the show was throwin it up and yelling it.
So in your opinion...who made the "W" hand sign and even the chant what it was? Pac, or the Westside Connection?
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Id like to see that show
Westsisde connection
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Speaking from outside the West coast, those up on game know it came from Cube and Westside Connection.
But a whole bunch of mainstream fans (and even people who don't like rap) know what the 'W' is, and that's solely because of Pac IMO.
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If it wasn't for 2Pac you wouldn't be seeing little 10-year-olds throw up the W like they know what it stands for.
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Speaking from outside the West coast, those up on game know it came from Cube and Westside Connection.
But a whole bunch of mainstream fans (and even people who don't like rap) know what the 'W' is, and that's solely because of Pac IMO.
My words exactly
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i still dont fully understand, is this one or 2 questions ?....Eye think the West Side Hand Jesture was a Gang-sign far before Cube took it and made it mainstream. and being that he was affiliated with C's and B's people still took it as a gang thing. Until Pac made it as a whole Coast thing, and since people liked Pac before he started throwin it up, they felt it was okay because Pac didnt bang........in their eyes. but Pac also said he was throwin it up for WAR but he said West everytime, so i dont know im a play the Quiji board tonite to find out the truth. 8)
oh yeah speaking of the WEST COAST..... GOLDEN BOY !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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haha kinda related, but off on a tangent..
Pac always threw up the W with his ring finger under the middle finger..
I noticed Cube, WC, and a lot of the other OG's always threw it up with the middle finger under the ring finger..
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haha kinda related, but off on a tangent..
Pac always threw up the W with his ring finger under the middle finger..
I noticed Cube, WC, and a lot of the other OG's always threw it up with the middle finger under the ring finger..
maybe he couldn't do it. i myself had to practice quite a bit to get my middle finger under my ring finger without using my other hand :P
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haha kinda related, but off on a tangent..
Pac always threw up the W with his ring finger under the middle finger..
I noticed Cube, WC, and a lot of the other OG's always threw it up with the middle finger under the ring finger..
LMAO, what the hell?? I NEEEVER noticed that WSC did it like that...woow! I've been doin it "Pac's way" since 96, and I didn't even see him throw it up! That's comedy though
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Westside Connection def blew that shit the fuck up but so did my nigga 2pacalypse.
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haha kinda related, but off on a tangent..
Pac always threw up the W with his ring finger under the middle finger..
I noticed Cube, WC, and a lot of the other OG's always threw it up with the middle finger under the ring finger..
maybe he couldn't do it. i myself had to practice quite a bit to get my middle finger under my ring finger without using my other hand :P
isn't it easier to do it the "WSC" way?
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Most of us know that Kam "invented" the "W" to represent Watts, and that Ice Cube flipped it and used it for "Westside." In 95-96, it seemed like everybody in L.A. was throwin up the "W", and it almost became novelty to an extent.
After talking to younger rap fans and those from other regions, it seems as if most of them feel as if 2Pac either "created" the sign, or as if he is the reason it was so big. He threw it up on the cover of "All eyez on me" which was a much bigger album than Westside Connection's was. I could be biased since I was in L.A., and wasn't able to see what the rest of the nation knew about...but I feel that the hand sign, along with the "Westsiiiiiiiiide" chant that you heard on all of the WSC's songs is what made the term/sign so major. I remember the episode when they came on Jamie Foxx, and everybody on the show was throwin it up and yelling it.
So in your opinion...who made the "W" hand sign and even the chant what it was? Pac, or the Westside Connection?
Actually buddy, at the time (95/96...) Westside Connection was selling more than Pac, and as you stated in your monologue, Kam came up with "W" to represent Watts.... seems to me like you answered your own question......
But Westside Connection was responsible for the proliferation of the "W" hand jesture...... They most likely did not invent it, but they made it a mainstream thing.....
-Él
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people been throwin up tha W since mayb late 70s
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haha kinda related, but off on a tangent..
Pac always threw up the W with his ring finger under the middle finger..
I noticed Cube, WC, and a lot of the other OG's always threw it up with the middle finger under the ring finger..
maybe he couldn't do it. i myself had to practice quite a bit to get my middle finger under my ring finger without using my other hand :P
isn't it easier to do it the "WSC" way?
no...
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Most of us know that Kam "invented" the "W" to represent Watts, and that Ice Cube flipped it and used it for "Westside." In 95-96, it seemed like everybody in L.A. was throwin up the "W", and it almost became novelty to an extent.
After talking to younger rap fans and those from other regions, it seems as if most of them feel as if 2Pac either "created" the sign, or as if he is the reason it was so big. He threw it up on the cover of "All eyez on me" which was a much bigger album than Westside Connection's was. I could be biased since I was in L.A., and wasn't able to see what the rest of the nation knew about...but I feel that the hand sign, along with the "Westsiiiiiiiiide" chant that you heard on all of the WSC's songs is what made the term/sign so major. I remember the episode when they came on Jamie Foxx, and everybody on the show was throwin it up and yelling it.
So in your opinion...who made the "W" hand sign and even the chant what it was? Pac, or the Westside Connection?
Actually buddy, at the time (95/96...) Westside Connection was selling more than Pac, and as you stated in your monologue, Kam came up with "W" to represent Watts.... seems to me like you answered your own question......
But Westside Connection was responsible for the proliferation of the "W" hand jesture...... They most likely did not invent it, but they made it a mainstream thing.....
-Él
Not quite....All Eyez on me sold a LOT more than Bow down did. I told what I felt my answer was, but wanted to know what people outside of California felt.
I would think that neither WSC or Kam "invented" the sign itself, or were the first to ever use it.
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Id like to see that show
Westsisde connection
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKgMs_bq2Wc
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Actually buddy, at the time (95/96...) Westside Connection was selling more than Pac,
-Él
lmao...ur retarded if u actually think thats true...
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haha kinda related, but off on a tangent..
Pac always threw up the W with his ring finger under the middle finger..
I noticed Cube, WC, and a lot of the other OG's always threw it up with the middle finger under the ring finger..
maybe he couldn't do it. i myself had to practice quite a bit to get my middle finger under my ring finger without using my other hand :P
isn't it easier to do it the "WSC" way?
no...
yes..?
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haha kinda related, but off on a tangent..
Pac always threw up the W with his ring finger under the middle finger..
I noticed Cube, WC, and a lot of the other OG's always threw it up with the middle finger under the ring finger..
maybe he couldn't do it. i myself had to practice quite a bit to get my middle finger under my ring finger without using my other hand :P
isn't it easier to do it the "WSC" way?
no...
yes..?
no..?
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haha kinda related, but off on a tangent..
Pac always threw up the W with his ring finger under the middle finger..
I noticed Cube, WC, and a lot of the other OG's always threw it up with the middle finger under the ring finger..
maybe he couldn't do it. i myself had to practice quite a bit to get my middle finger under my ring finger without using my other hand :P
isn't it easier to do it the "WSC" way?
no...
yes..?
no way
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haha kinda related, but off on a tangent..
Pac always threw up the W with his ring finger under the middle finger..
I noticed Cube, WC, and a lot of the other OG's always threw it up with the middle finger under the ring finger..
maybe he couldn't do it. i myself had to practice quite a bit to get my middle finger under my ring finger without using my other hand :P
isn't it easier to do it the "WSC" way?
no...
yes..?
no way
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For me and most of the people in Alaska I think it was 2Pac that brought the W to us. With both the album and his videos it was the first I remember seeing and hearing the W & Westside!! Pac also hit a much larger audience. Now damn that was a good 12-13 years ago but I do think I remember hearing some WSC songs with the Westside stuff in it and once I did the the Bow Down album you seen it but I think it was Pac that I first seen do it.
I remember high school dances where California Love would come on and everyone threw up the W and were yelling Westside.. so yea.. Pac was major then.
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2Pac for sure...his album came out before WSC, and it was a major, major album. Cali Love video was fucking huge, and they threw up the dub like crazy in that video
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Cube Made the "W" what it is..........Pac started to throw it up after Cube....so how the fuck could Pac make it what it was???
Pac was riding hard for the west because he was at war with certain east coast rappers.....Cube road on the East coast media...for the West Coast..... enough said.
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2Pac for sure...his album came out before WSC, and it was a major, major album. Cali Love video was fucking huge, and they threw up the dub like crazy in that video
Cube started throwin up the "W" on Lethal Injection....and that dropped in 95'.....(You Know how we do it) ......
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Kam and MC Eiht were throwing up the dub a little before Cube and Pac but I look at it like this
2pac made cool and poppin on the west, Westside Connection almost made you respect it. Like all the beef Pac had going on that was on some personal shit, WSCG was more like look you gonna respect this shit we do on the west or we taking it type attitude. I think All Eyez On Me brought the west together, WSCG was more riding dolo more or less.
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2Pac for sure...his album came out before WSC, and it was a major, major album. Cali Love video was fucking huge, and they threw up the dub like crazy in that video
Cube started throwin up the "W" on Lethal Injection....and that dropped in 95'.....(You Know how we do it) ......
Cube doesn't throw up the dubb in the You know how we do it video
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2Pac for sure...his album came out before WSC, and it was a major, major album. Cali Love video was fucking huge, and they threw up the dub like crazy in that video
Cube started throwin up the "W" on Lethal Injection....and that dropped in 95'.....(You Know how we do it) ......
Cube doesn't throw up the dubb in the You know how we do it video
You right...that's just my favorite song from the album...but Cube threw up the "W" in the lead single video: Really Doe and he was throwin it up heavy in the Bop gun video......
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haha, so reiterating on my first post.. heres several pictures of cube, wc and battlecat throwing it up with the middle finger under the ring finger. which makes me think this is probably the original way to throw it up..
(http://www.hiphopgalaxy.com/IMG/jpg/wc-rapper.jpg)
(http://www.thaformula.com/thaformula_music_features_pics/dj_battlecat_music_features.jpg)
(http://kiddkraddickremix.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/me-and-ice-cube.jpg)
(http://www.heavyweights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/l_16578c1b2929c349d607b9e005ce72ef.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3125/2670050304_cac663b2b5.jpg)
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haha, so reiterating on my first post.. heres several pictures of cube, wc and battlecat throwing it up with the middle finger under the ring finger. which makes me think this is probably the original way to throw it up..
(http://www.hiphopgalaxy.com/IMG/jpg/wc-rapper.jpg)
(http://www.thaformula.com/thaformula_music_features_pics/dj_battlecat_music_features.jpg)
(http://kiddkraddickremix.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/me-and-ice-cube.jpg)
(http://www.heavyweights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/l_16578c1b2929c349d607b9e005ce72ef.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3125/2670050304_cac663b2b5.jpg)
Cube never throws it up with his fingers lined up like that like WC does. Squeak Ru's W's look crazy as hell, got to find the pic but it looks like his fingers are broken at the joints lol
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'Pac said in some interview that his 'W' was for "War" and not for "Westside"...
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In all those pics, the middle finger is over the ring finger?? I suppose it depends which way you look at it, but Pac's version is a lot more difficult to do.
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fuck all that I made the "W" mofos...lol. ;)
mofos been throwin the dub since the 80s or maybe b4. It was Watts Up! way before it was Westside!
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haha, so reiterating on my first post.. heres several pictures of cube, wc and battlecat throwing it up with the middle finger under the ring finger. which makes me think this is probably the original way to throw it up..
(http://www.hiphopgalaxy.com/IMG/jpg/wc-rapper.jpg)
(http://www.thaformula.com/thaformula_music_features_pics/dj_battlecat_music_features.jpg)
(http://kiddkraddickremix.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/me-and-ice-cube.jpg)
(http://www.heavyweights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/l_16578c1b2929c349d607b9e005ce72ef.jpg)
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3125/2670050304_cac663b2b5.jpg)
youre stupid every one of those photos has the middle finger above the ring finger
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Out here in COLORADO Id have to say it was more based on WESTSIDE CONNECTION than 2PAC, but I think 2pac was more widely accepted by a larger listening audience so its hard to call.
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Cube Made the "W" what it is..........Pac started to throw it up after Cube....so how the fuck could Pac make it what it was???
Pac was riding hard for the west because he was at war with certain east coast rappers.....Cube road on the East coast media...for the West Coast..... enough said.
It was jus a simple question and ppl jus saying where they got it from no need for you to get your panties up in a twist by getting mad over some simple shit
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its them old school niggas that screamed it out.. but i personally think Death Row Records was that one that glorified it.
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Kam claims he was doing it before Cube remember.........
Like the 'W' you took from me nigga stand for Watts
Dj Pooh - Whoop Whoop ( feat Kam )
listen to it here http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=tXDLGDUJ9bU (not a music video)
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youre stupid every one of those photos has the middle finger above the ring finger
If you were to ask Cube, WC, or battlecat, how they were throwing it up in those pictures, from their viewing perspective, it would be the middle finger under the ring finger. It only looks like its ABOVE from your perspective.. not theirs.
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youre stupid every one of those photos has the middle finger above the ring finger
If you were to ask Cube, WC, or battlecat, how they were throwing it up in those pictures, from their viewing perspective, it would be the middle finger under the ring finger. It only looks like its ABOVE from your perspective.. not theirs.
god youre stupid. no matter what perspective youre looking at, the one closest to your pinky is your ring finger. do i really have to tell you this?
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haha do you really think that from what perspective you look at your hand changes what finger is which? if i turn my hand over my pinky becomes my thumb and my middle finger becomes my ring finger? i cant believe you actually found those photos and posted them, every single one is the opposite of what you said haha
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haha do you really think that from what perspective you look at your hand changes what finger is which? if i turn my hand over my pinky becomes my thumb and my middle finger becomes my ring finger? i cant believe you actually found those photos and posted them, every single one is the opposite of what you said haha
actually you're the dumbass, OF COURSE the fuckin fingers stay the same, the index is always the index, the middle is always the middle and the ring is always the ring dumbass. I said its a matter of viewing perspective, when you consider the position of the fingers. If you at look at it from their way, its going to be different from the way you look at it. They see the palm of their hand facing them, and you see the outside of their hand facing you.
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(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/226/2pacalleyezonmefrontpj8.jpg)
Released February 13, 1996 (U.S.)
Recorded October 1995
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7817/westsideconnectionbowdozz3.jpg)
Released October 22, 1996
Recorded 1996
and i never saw WSC trow the DUB before that album came out
That's just when the album came out, but Westside Connect was definitely throwin it up first..... - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CrLNTCjn70 - I don't know when this video dropped, but this is when the "W" was in it's prime. I know we were on this song tough, early in 96....way before the album dropped.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9KEWllmiU4
^^ 1:35-1:37
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(http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/226/2pacalleyezonmefrontpj8.jpg)
Released February 13, 1996 (U.S.)
Recorded October 1995
(http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/7817/westsideconnectionbowdozz3.jpg)
Released October 22, 1996
Recorded 1996
and i never saw WSC trow the DUB before that album came out
That's just when the album came out, but Westside Connect was definitely throwin it up first..... - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CrLNTCjn70 - I don't know when this video dropped, but this is when the "W" was in it's prime. I know we were on this song tough, early in 96....way before the album dropped.
actually that song is from a soundstrack and the version in which you are refering to is the remix with the hoo bangin allstar.............. but i bump either version
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kam brought it to the game and when pac got out he made it almost like a household name.
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The topic is who made the W what it was, not who was the first to ever throw it up. Saying kam made the w what it was is just ridiculous. Pac was wayyy bigger than wsc, got way more video play, and radio play. Pac was the biggest thing in rap music in 95/96. Plus having him throwing it up on his album cover gets a shitload more attention than a WSC video. Seriously, how much did WSC even get video play? I barely ever saw their vids on tv.
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The topic is who made the W what it was, not who was the first to ever throw it up. Saying kam made the w what it was is just ridiculous. Pac was wayyy bigger than wsc, got way more video play, and radio play. Pac was the biggest thing in rap music in 95/96. Plus having him throwing it up on his album cover gets a shitload more attention than a WSC video. Seriously, how much did WSC even get video play? I barely ever saw their vids on tv.
they sold almost triple platinum.
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Pac's album went like 10x platinum or more...AEOM was a way bigger album than WSC. AEOM is one of the biggest albums in the history of all music. Not to mention that AEOM came out months before WSC...people everywhere were throwing up the dub before the WSC album dropped, and its not because they saw a WSC music video.
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The topic is who made the W what it was, not who was the first to ever throw it up. Saying kam made the w what it was is just ridiculous. Pac was wayyy bigger than wsc, got way more video play, and radio play. Pac was the biggest thing in rap music in 95/96. Plus having him throwing it up on his album cover gets a shitload more attention than a WSC video. Seriously, how much did WSC even get video play? I barely ever saw their vids on tv.
I would agree. Pac made that shit acceptable for everyone to throw it up and not worry about catching a beat down (in my area it was used as a gang sign).
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Kokane - Nickel Slick Nigga (video) produced by Cold187um (note that he´s throwing up the "W" already in 91, around 3.04)
http://www.youtube.com/v/3nziSeX_9PI&hl=en&fs=1
Related thread;
The official Above The Law thread (http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=148792.175)