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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: TraceOneInfinite Flat Earther 96' on February 27, 2005, 09:49:49 PM
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It shows you how racist we American's are when you look at our hero's and the entertainment industry.
Take a look at John Wayne. I was at work the other night, and there was this John Wayne movie on about the white man defeating the Indians, setting up an outpost settlement, and then killing them all over again and driving deeper and deeper into Western territory. John Wayne was the general war hero of the movie.
The obvious questions were never asked during the movie. Questions like, "Why do the Natives deserve to die?" "Weren't they here first anyway?" "Do we have any more right to this land then they do?" "Don't they have a right to fight us when we are trying to commit genocide against them?"
I'm outraged that movies like this are still played on television everyday and considered classics.
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I'm outraged that movies like this are still played on television everyday and considered classics.
I'm outraged that you're outraged.
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Why are you mad? Those old Westerns are just depicting what really happened...the Indians were pushed back by the White Man, and when they were pushed back, they got pushed some more. It's not like they are just making it up.
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it's called acting...
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birth of a nation is considered a classic by damn near every black film critic and it's by far a billion times more racist than any john wayne movie......what makes a movie a classic isn't only it's message. hell if we're going to ban jon wayne movies from being shown , lets not show the godfather because they say " sell it (drugs) to the niggers, they're animals anyway" lets not show gone with the wind cuz of Mami............LET"S ONLY show the color purple, X, and roots.
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My father loves those movies being played, and his 50% Native American, and the tribe we belong to technically doesn't exist anymore since our tribe got wipped out. Why does he like those movies being played, and watches them all day. He calls me into the room and says, "if they had it their way, you'd never be here, watch this, get mad and fight back." My dad is raising revolutionaries... lol. Anyway, I think we should have a day that all those movies are played, have it during like, Native American Week, or movies glorifying the KKK during Black History Month, or movies like One Man's Hero that show the U.S. taking over Mexican land, now the south west, play that during Hispanic Heritage Month, use all those movies for education, and make it a point that this is the way the U.S. once felt about a certain group, and then try to stress that we are movie forward. Then maybe people will look at these movies different than the way people are talking in this thread.
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birth of a nation is considered a classic by damn near every black film critic and it's by far a billion times more racist than any john wayne movie......what makes a movie a classic isn't only it's message. hell if we're going to ban jon wayne movies from being shown , lets not show the godfather because they say " sell it (drugs) to the niggers, they're animals anyway" lets not show gone with the wind cuz of Mami............LET"S ONLY show the color purple, X, and roots.
LOL at the last part.
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Why does anybody still respond to Infinite's posts in here? All he does is take popular white guys and try and make them look like frauds.
Why doesn't he post all the bad or stupid things done and said by non white heros and leaders? Because then he may not want to be black anymore. I sincerely hope your character on the forum is a complete act. I mean, you're married right? To think that a woman would have to deal with the shit you say here in person everyday of her life would just be ridiculous. Your children would have to rebel against every last thing you stand for just have a chance at being normal and not get beat up everyday at school. Otherwise they may end up being becoming terrorists.
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who wants to play monopoly?
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Why does anybody still respond to Infinite's posts in here? All he does is take popular white guys and try and make them look like frauds.
Why doesn't he post all the bad or stupid things done and said by non white heros and leaders? Because then he may not want to be black anyonre. I sincerely hope your character on the forum is a complete act. I mean, you're married right? To think that a woman would have to deal with the shit you say here in person everyday of her life would just be ridiculous. Your children would have to rebel against every last thing you stand for just have a chance at being normal and not get beat up everyday at school. Otherwise they may end up being becoming terrorists.
i heard his wife is black...
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Why does anybody still respond to Infinite's posts in here? All he does is take popular white guys and try and make them look like frauds.
Why doesn't he post all the bad or stupid things done and said by non white heros and leaders? Because then he may not want to be black anymore. I sincerely hope your character on the forum is a complete act. I mean, you're married right? To think that a woman would have to deal with the shit you say here in person everyday of her life would just be ridiculous. Your children would have to rebel against every last thing you stand for just have a chance at being normal and not get beat up everyday at school. Otherwise they may end up being becoming terrorists.
i heard his wife is black...
I don't care if his wife is Osama Bin Laden in drag. No one can deal with this much bull shit for an entire lifetime.
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for real....
anyways
Infiinite >>
what do you have to say to the spanish who are the ones who started the colonisation of the US..
THEY were killed and oppressed by muslims/moors and had their land conquered before they freed themselves..
the spanish who settled america were FOLLOWING THE EXAMPLE SET BY MUSLIMS who conquered their country hundreds of years before!!!!
:D
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muslims are allowed to do that
DUH!
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do which?
be hypcritcal fuck wits?
or invade foriegn lands and fuck it all up.. ?
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do which?
be hypcritcal fuck wits?
or invade foriegn lands and fuck it all up.. ?
both, as long as they're doing it in the name of god (allah)
according to infinite then
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another funny thing about infinite is he never has an original idea himself... he always reads or hears something....then reports straight to dubcc to preach "his" new opinion
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It shows you how racist we American's are when you look at our hero's and the entertainment industry.
Take a look at John Wayne. I was at work the other night, and there was this John Wayne movie on about the white man defeating the Indians, setting up an outpost settlement, and then killing them all over again and driving deeper and deeper into Western territory. John Wayne was the general war hero of the movie.
The obvious questions were never asked during the movie. Questions like, "Why do the Natives deserve to die?" "Weren't they here first anyway?" "Do we have any more right to this land then they do?" "Don't they have a right to fight us when we are trying to commit genocide against them?"
I'm outraged that movies like this are still played on television everyday and considered classics.
if your going to make a film on history and thats how it happenned thats how it should stay. it was the british who tried stop the our american and indead in austalian and new zealand colonial populations from stealing all the natives land. but america didn't remain british which is a shame.
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yup.. americans can only blame america and FRANCE who backed the americans.. not the english.
the english also pressured the americans to abolish slavery.. it was outlawed by the english WAY before the states did.
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for real....
anyways
Infiinite >>
what do you have to say to the spanish who are the ones who started the colonisation of the US..
THEY were killed and oppressed by muslims/moors and had their land conquered before they freed themselves..
the spanish who settled america were FOLLOWING THE EXAMPLE SET BY MUSLIMS who conquered their country hundreds of years before!!!!
:D
Do you assume that just because a land gets taken over, its people are brutalized like you European savages? Why are you comparin Spanish colonialism to the Islamic caliphate of Cordova. Your statement is incorrect, and the insinuation u are making is wrong,
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for real....
anyways
Infiinite >>
what do you have to say to the spanish who are the ones who started the colonisation of the US..
THEY were killed and oppressed by muslims/moors and had their land conquered before they freed themselves..
the spanish who settled america were FOLLOWING THE EXAMPLE SET BY MUSLIMS who conquered their country hundreds of years before!!!!
:D
Do you assume that just because a land gets taken over, its people are brutalized like you European savages? Why are you comparin Spanish colonialism to the Islamic caliphate of Cordova. Your statement is incorrect, and the insinuation u are making is wrong,
Muslims enslaved over half of Greece for 400 years. Armenia and another part of Greece were also enslaved but longer. In 1915 Muslims committed a Holocaust on Armenians and remaining Greeks. My Grandfather who had relatives in Turkish Greece lost the entire mother's side of his family to that Holocaust. Don't tell me that Europeans were more brutal. Do your homework next time you talk about something.
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haha.. sonnnned...
tech.. you should have learned by now not to blindly stick up for your muslims brothas!
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birth of a nation is considered a classic by damn near every black film critic and it's by far a billion times more racist than any john wayne movie......what makes a movie a classic isn't only it's message. hell if we're going to ban jon wayne movies from being shown , lets not show the godfather because they say " sell it (drugs) to the niggers, they're animals anyway" lets not show gone with the wind cuz of Mami............LET"S ONLY show the color purple, X, and roots.
Great point. How is this guy going to respond now?
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Jews experienced their golden age in art and literature under Muslim rule in Spain. Infact, they really weren't even "ruled" by Muslims. The Muslims established a capital for the caliphate in Cordoba, but Jews were allowed to practice Jewish law in the courts in their cities, and the Christians were allowed to practice law according to their Bible in their city. This is how the Islamic law was practiced in Spain. Jews and Christians are allowed a level of atonomy, becuase in Islam, the Christian and Jewish religion are considered to be legitimate religions, and they are called in the Qu'ran affectionately, the People of the Book.
Ask that Jewish guy from Isreal who posts here, he will even tell you it's true, Jews had their golden age in Muslim Spain.
Then Queen Isabella came down from the North during the Spanish inquisition and killed anyone who said they were a Muslim or Jew.
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You fucking clown.
You've posted this shit up over and over, and I've made a fool out of you over and over...
How about responding to Shallows post?
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How about responding to Shallows post?
He won't respond because he has no argument. And when he has no argument he ignores the post and starts a new thread like he never even read my post to begin with.
Also, I'm not sure how Christians were treated in Spain, but in Greece they were forced to send their children to Muslim schools and banned from learning Greek or Christianty. The Greeks had to develop underground schools and churches to keep the culture and religion alive for 400 years.
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How about responding to Shallows post?
He won't respond because he has no argument. And when he has no argument he ignores the post and starts a new thread like he never even read my post to begin with.
Also, I'm not sure how Christians were treated in Spain, but in Greece they were forced to send their children to Muslim schools and banned from learning Greek or Christianty. The Greeks had to develop underground schools and churches to keep the culture and religion alive for 400 years.
If you want a response then you have to ask me a question so I have something to respond to. I don't have a response for every statement that is made on every post at this forum, but if you ask me a question, I will have no problem responding to you to the best of my ability. But don't get mad if I answer you by saying "I don't know".
One time, not far from the death of the Prophet Muhammad, this Muslim man had a burning question and he traveled all the way from North Africa to Bagdad, to ask the greatest scholar of that era for the answer. When he got there, he asked his question and the scholar replied, "I don't know". This story is often repeated amongst Muslims (described much better and with greater accuracy then I just did)... this teaches Muslims that we shouldn't act like we know the answer to something if we don't, and that it is okay to say "I don't know" if you don't know the answer. This is also the safest way, because we fear that Allah might punish us for saying the wrong thing.
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My problem is not that you don't know, or admit you don't know, it's that you jump to verbally cut down every white man who happens to be remembered as a hero by only bringing up the bad things, and you ignore any bad or stupid things Muslim men have done. Malcolm X once belived that Elijah Muhammed was above all other men, implying a personal connerction with God that no one else. The prophet Muhammed walked around with an army and a sword. You don't think he ever had to kill or order executions on any innocent men? What makes those actions any different than John Wayne being praised as a hero even though he killed Indians in a movie?
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You don't think he ever had to kill or order executions on any innocent men?
What makes those actions any different than John Wayne being praised as a hero even though he killed Indians in a movie?
A1. I don't know of any innocent men the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had to kill. He fought against the ruling class of Mekkah that had persecuted, oppressed, and expelled his people from the city. And when the Prophet Muhammad reclaimed Mekkah, he showed mercy on the people of the city who had persecuted him, and because he didn't take revenge when he very easily could have, it inspired many of them into accepting Islam.
A2. On the other hand, the white man came all the way from Europe, and commited genocide on the Indians. The white man did not assimilate with the Indians, they generally did not marry or exchange idea's and culture with the Natives, but rather they viewed them as subhuman, and even today they still depict them as subhuman in "classic" movies.
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If you really think that no innocent people had to die in all those battles Muhammed and his army were in then you are dilusional. That's what happens in war. People die, and some shouldn't have to. Others fight because they feel they have to protect themselves and their way of life. Just like over 80% of whites had almost nothing to do with the slave trade in America, I'm pretty sure a large portion of the "pagans" were simple minded people that suffered in those take overs. It's a fact of war, and conquest.
Just like when Greece revolted against their Muslim conquerers in 1821; I'm sure very many innocent Muslim men that had nothing to do with enslaving the Greeks died. THey just lived the way they were taught to live.
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If you really think that no innocent people had to die in all those battles Muhammed and his army were in then you are dilusional.
When did I say that? I never said that. Read my statement again. I said that I didn't know of any innocent people that were killed by Muhammad (pbuh) when he fought to reclaim Mekkah. I didn't say that there weren't any innocent people who died in war. I just said that I didn't know of any.
Your obviously just trying to pick a fight. Your the one that is delusional, you want to hate me, and you want to dislike me so bad, because if what I say has truth, then the implications of that would be vast, and if you are forced to think too long and too hard, then you may even be forced to act[/i], and maybe even change[/i], and the devil has made you fear that.
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If you really think that no innocent people had to die in all those battles Muhammed and his army were in then you are dilusional.
When did I say that? I never said that. Read my statement again. I said that I didn't know of any innocent people that were killed by Muhammad (pbuh) when he fought to reclaim Mekkah. I didn't say that there weren't any innocent people who died in war. I just said that I didn't know of any.
Your obviously just trying to pick a fight. Your the one that is delusional, you want to hate me, and you want to dislike me so bad, because if what I say has truth, then the implications of that would be vast, and if you are forced to think too long and too hard, then you may even be forced to act[/i], and maybe even change[/i], and the devil has made you fear that.
I'm not trying to pick a fight. I mistook your statement. When you said you didn't know of any, I thought you were implying that they didn't exist. It's figure of speech people often use. I don't care to further any moere of this religious argument because it will only lead to my reasons for not accepting Islam as an adavancement of Christianty, and I don't want to offend any Muslims for being Muslim.
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another funny thing about infinite is he never has an original idea himself... he always reads or hears something....then reports straight to dubcc to preach "his" new opinion
Yes. It would have taken me 6 paragraphs to say what you just said in one fucked up sentence. That's the worst of it, you're not talking to Infinite. You're talking to a weak, weak little white boy, who hates everything he was born into, and has made seriously BAD choices in his life, till he's in a point today where he's a little puppet, gulliable and impressionable to a fault. You're looking at the type of guy who would fly a plane into a building.
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Oh! ...and by the way, John Wayne was the shit! My favorite movie of his was that one where he was an air force pilot, got drunk, and actually crashed a plane into the swimming pool at some party. Pretty funny.
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another funny thing about infinite is he never has an original idea himself... he always reads or hears something....then reports straight to dubcc to preach "his" new opinion
Yes. It would have taken me 6 paragraphs to say what you just said in one fucked up sentence. That's the worst of it, you're not talking to Infinite. You're talking to a weak, weak little white boy, who hates everything he was born into, and has made seriously BAD choices in his life, till he's in a point today where he's a little puppet, gulliable and impressionable to a fault. You're looking at the type of guy who would fly a plane into a building.
This is coming from a guy who said he doesn't like to post here beacause theres too much negativity and he doesn't want to contribute to it, oh how ironic.
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God Bless John Wayne!!! A True American Hero!
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Are you guys that desperate to dis credit me that you make up shit?
Overseer, i want you to stand by your statement that Muslims brutalized Spain durng their conquest.
And to that no name poster who started rambling about Armenians and Greece, I dont give a fuck what the Turks did to your ancestors, we're talkin about Spain here, and the Cordova caliphate
now if youll excuse me kids......
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And to that no name poster who started rambling about Armenians and Greece, I dont give a fuck what the Turks did to your ancestors, we're talkin about Spain here, and the Cordova caliphate
Actually, we're talking about John Wayne. You however decided to imply that Europeans are somehow more brutal than Muslims. I wasn't sure exactly what happened in Spain, but I was sure what happened in Greece and Armenia, so I brought it up to show you that not only Europeans are responsible for evil like all the fuck heads like you seem to think. This has nothing to with my personal feelings on the matter. I could care less what happened to my ancestors. It has nothing to do with me right now. What does have to do with is your implication that Europeans are more evil when it comes to taking over countries, and that is why I brought it up.
I'll give you props for the no name poster remark. That was well done. You still got slaughtered in this debate, but I'll props you for being clever.
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yup.. americans can only blame america and FRANCE who backed the americans.. not the english.
the english also pressured the americans to abolish slavery.. it was outlawed by the english WAY before the states did.
Canada kicks ass
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yup.. americans can only blame america and FRANCE who backed the americans.. not the english.
the english also pressured the americans to abolish slavery.. it was outlawed by the english WAY before the states did.
Canada kicks ass
Co sign.
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Has Canada ever kicked ANY ass?
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Has Canada ever kicked ANY ass?
We kicked your US Ass right out of our country when you tried invading.
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Has Canada ever kicked ANY ass?
Have you personally ever kicked any ass, or do you just slash people's tires? You fuckin pussy.
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sorry if im repeatin but tired and havent read all the posts...
...but i thought everyone knew john wayne is no hero ?>
he is seen or was made to be the typical all american action hero...hailed to this day by media, forces etc
but he was a draft dodger...simple as that..he didnt have "beliefs" that caused others not to go to war ie Ali
...he just didnt want to get hurt and didnt feel fighting for his coutry was for him...now im not getting onto all that war good/evil topic, but just because he was famous he got off easier than all the poor people who couldnt make that choice
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What the hell are yo talking about? What War? Wayne is like 10 years old during WWI and in his mid 30s with 3 or 4 children during WWII. He didn't dodge, he just didn't enlist. He instead made a lot of movies during the War. You make it sound like he was 21 and ran to Canada. He had children that needed him more than his country at that moment so he chose them. Most soldiers that are supposed to enlist are young men, not 35 year old family men.
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John Wayne, draft dodger? Oh, what delicious (if cheap) irony! But that judgment is a little harsh. As Garry Wills tells the story in his book John Wayne's America: The Politics of Celebrity (1997), the Duke faced a tough choice at the outset of World War II. If he wimped out, don't be so sure a lot of us wouldn't have done the same.
At the time of Pearl Harbor, Wayne was 34 years old. His marriage was on the rocks but he still had four kids to support. His career was taking off, in large part on the strength of his work in the classic western Stagecoach (1939). But he wasn't rich. Should he chuck it all and enlist? Many of Hollywood's big names, such as Henry Fonda, Jimmy Stewart, and Clark Gable, did just that. (Fonda, Wills points out, was 37 at the time and had a wife and three kids.) But these were established stars. Wayne knew that if he took a few years off for military service, there was a good chance that by the time he got back he'd be over the hill.
Besides, he specialized in the kind of movies a nation at war wanted to see, in which a rugged American hero overcame great odds. Recognizing that Hollywood was an important part of the war effort, Washington had told California draft boards to go easy on actors. Perhaps rationalizing that he could do more good at home, Wayne obtained 3-A status, "deferred for [family] dependency reasons." He told friends he'd enlist after he made just one or two more movies.
The real question is why he never did so. Wayne cranked out thirteen movies during the war, many with war-related themes. Most of the films were enormously successful and within a short time the Duke was one of America's most popular stars. His bankability now firmly established, he could have joined the military, secure in the knowledge that Hollywood would welcome him back later. He even made a half-hearted effort to sign up, sending in the paperwork to enlist in the naval photography unit commanded by a good friend, director John Ford.
But he didn't follow through. Nobody really knows why; Wayne didn't like to talk about it. A guy who prided himself on doing his own stunts, he doesn't seem to have lacked physical courage. One suspects he just found it was a lot more fun being a Hollywood hero than the real kind. Many movie star-soldiers had enlisted in the first flush of patriotism after Pearl Harbor. As the war ground on, slogging it out in the trenches seemed a lot less exciting. The movies, on the other hand, had put Wayne well on the way to becoming a legend. "Wayne increasingly came to embody the American fighting man," Wills writes. In late 1943 and early 1944 he entertained the troops in the Pacific theater as part of a USO tour. An intelligence bigshot asked him to give his impression of Douglas MacArthur. He was fawned over by the press when he got back. Meanwhile, he was having a torrid affair with a beautiful Mexican woman. How could military service compare with that?
In 1944, Wayne received a 2-A classification, "deferred in support of [the] national . . . interest." A month later the Selective Service decided to revoke many previous deferments and reclassified him 1-A. But Wayne's studio appealed and got his 2-A status reinstated until after the war ended.
People who knew Wayne say he felt bad about not having served. (During the war he'd gotten into a few fights with servicemen who wondered why he wasn't in uniform.) Some think his guilty conscience was one reason he became such a superpatriot later. The fact remains that the man who came to symbolize American patriotism and pride had a chance to do more than just act the part, and he let it pass.
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_004.html
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Muslim savagery in Spain anyone? Nope? Cant respond to me?
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Muslim savagery in Spain anyone? Nope? Cant respond to me?
Institutionalized discrimination isn’t savage enough for you?
Do me a favor and purchase The Dhimmi: Jews & Christians Under Islam by Bat Ye'or. She uses primary sources from Islamic Spain to paint a realistic picture of what really happened during the Muslim conquest.
Do some research on Granada and the assassination of Samuel Ibn Naghrela, and his son Joseph from 1056 to 1066. Also look at the 3000+ Jews that were killed after the assassination.
There's many other instances of "muslim savagery" but I'm not gonna waste anymore time typing stuff that you're gonna ignore.
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fuck going to war at 34, esp if u got a wife & kids,... btw who is clark gable
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Upping for the bus boy.
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Many Muslims look back at Muslim Spain with pride. But Jews also call it their "golden era". Spain became part of the Islamic world at the beginning of the eighth century. Under Muslims Spain became the center of civilization. Although many local Spaniards embraced Islam, Christians and Jews were free in all aspects of their lives. The Muslims respected their religion and institutions. The result was the birth of the first true cosmopolitan culture in the West. Christians studied alongside Muslim scholars to such a degree that in 854, a Christian named Alvaro of Cordoba complained that these students were forgetting their own religion and culture. Muslims and Christians of Spain did not live in their ghettos, isolated and not cooperating in various aspects of daily life together. It was in Spain that Aristotle's works on physics and natural history were translated into Arabic from Greek in Muslim Spain. Historians generally acknowledge that the Muslim world proved to be a major conduit of ancient scholarship into the West, especially through Muslim Spain. It wasn't just Muslims and Christians who thrived in Spain, though. Jews, who were reviled and hated elsewhere, were not only living safely and peacefully alongside non-Jews in Muslim Spain, they were learning and contributing to its culture and knowledge which Muslim scholars had established. But this success in wealth, knowledge and co-existence came to end in a violent and very sad way. As Christian Crusaders of Spain expelled Muslims, civilization that took centuries to build was destroyed. Muslims and Jews were either expelled or forced to convert to Christianity. Millions died as tolerance was replaced by the Spanish Inquisition. A suspected Muslim was to be killed for the smallest act resembling Islamic tradition - such as taking a bath on Friday.
Furthermore faggot, not understanding the context of the discussion hinders meaningful discourse. Especially, when the term Islamic colonialism becomes systematically attached to any form of foreign Muslim authority. Was Spain the home of religious tensions? Of course, it was. Was it the Islamic faith that propogated these tensions?
No, youd have to dwell deeper into the politics of the time. Tell me, Englewood, are you referring to:
The Dependent Emirate (711-756)
The Independent Emirate (756-929)
The Caliphate (929-1031)
The Almoravid Era (1031-1130)
Decline (1130-1492)
^ Everyone of these periods was marked by shifts in authority. From Maliki Muslims based in N. Africa, to localized Muslims resisting Arab domination. But of course, to hicks worldwide, a Moooslim is a Mooooslim.
Let me know the next time you want the bus boy to take you to school again. Overseer, Englewood just took a bullet for u.
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Many Muslims look back at Muslim Spain with pride. But Jews also call it their "golden era". Spain became part of the Islamic world at the beginning of the eighth century. Under Muslims Spain became the center of civilization. Although many local Spaniards embraced Islam, Christians and Jews were free in all aspects of their lives. The Muslims respected their religion and institutions. The result was the birth of the first true cosmopolitan culture in the West. Christians studied alongside Muslim scholars to such a degree that in 854, a Christian named Alvaro of Cordoba complained that these students were forgetting their own religion and culture. Muslims and Christians of Spain did not live in their ghettos, isolated and not cooperating in various aspects of daily life together. It was in Spain that Aristotle's works on physics and natural history were translated into Arabic from Greek in Muslim Spain. Historians generally acknowledge that the Muslim world proved to be a major conduit of ancient scholarship into the West, especially through Muslim Spain. It wasn't just Muslims and Christians who thrived in Spain, though. Jews, who were reviled and hated elsewhere, were not only living safely and peacefully alongside non-Jews in Muslim Spain, they were learning and contributing to its culture and knowledge which Muslim scholars had established. But this success in wealth, knowledge and co-existence came to end in a violent and very sad way. As Christian Crusaders of Spain expelled Muslims, civilization that took centuries to build was destroyed. Muslims and Jews were either expelled or forced to convert to Christianity. Millions died as tolerance was replaced by the Spanish Inquisition. A suspected Muslim was to be killed for the smallest act resembling Islamic tradition - such as taking a bath on Friday.
Furthermore faggot, not understanding the context of the discussion hinders meaningful discourse. Especially, when the term Islamic colonialism becomes systematically attached to any form of foreign Muslim authority. Was Spain the home of religious tensions? Of course, it was. Was it the Islamic faith that propogated these tensions?
No, youd have to dwell deeper into the politics of the time. Tell me, Englewood, are you referring to:
The Dependent Emirate (711-756)
The Independent Emirate (756-929)
The Caliphate (929-1031)
The Almoravid Era (1031-1130)
Decline (1130-1492)
^ Everyone of these periods was marked by shifts in authority. From Maliki Muslims based in N. Africa, to localized Muslims resisting Arab domination. But of course, to hicks worldwide, a Moooslim is a Mooooslim.
Let me know the next time you want the bus boy to take you to school again. Overseer, Englewood just took a bullet for u.
Congrats. You copy/pasted shit from http://www.themodernreligion.com/comparative/cm-relations.html and http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/spain/index.shtml
What’s the matter? Don't have the time to write things on your own? It's shameful that you would try and pass writings off as your own when a simple Google search proves you lifted writings from various websites.
You posted a bunch of stuff that has nothing to do with your request, but I fail to see how you refuted my points? You asked me to show you instances of Muslim savagery in Spain. I did. You came back with copy/pasted shit. I'm the ignorant one? No wonder you’re a short order cook. You can’t formulate a decent argument without having somebody else do the thinking/writing for you.
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You dumb fuck. Why do you insist after all these years, that you deserve 5 seconds of my fuckin time. You deserve a copy and paste response to your copy and paste questions motherfucker. You dont deserve a conversation with me no more. You deserve a quick 10 second trip to yahoo.com.
You bring up one assasination and a revolt and the good ole reliable dhimmi reference to say that centuries old Muslim control of Spain was on par with the savagery of you Europeans.
That doesnt mean all European colonialism was savage, or all Muslim ones werent. That would be ignorant of me. Or Englewoodish.
But it is a fact that Muslim imperialism cannot in any way shape or form be compared to with European imperialism. This is the assumption Overseer was making, this is the assumption Im attacking, this is the assumption that dumb anonymous poster completely missed, and it is this assumption that you are misinterpreting.
In your post, you quoted one fuckin book, and 2 incidents spanning 10 years. And this is going to tell me that Centuries old Islamic domination was savage.
I would much rather have stared at the wall for the last 45 seconds, then give it to you Englewood. You are biggest recipient of online lecturing, leading all posters per capita. But still you dont know your role.
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I think DJ Quik said it best...
I'll prove I'm proper and your game is wack with one line
I'll never put my name on a track that wasn't mine.
You're a fake. A phony. If you can't be real on something that’s a simple as a message board, what does that say about you as an individual?
Your card has been pulled Abdul R Karim.
Keep posting, it's funny for people. From here on out, it's clear that your posts hold absolutely zero weight.
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At the time of Pearl Harbor, Wayne was 34 years old. His marriage was on the rocks but he still had four kids to support. His career was taking off, in large part on the strength of his work in the classic western Stagecoach (1939). But he wasn't rich. Should he chuck it all and enlist? Many of Hollywood's big names, such as Henry Fonda, Jimmy Stewart, and Clark Gable, did just that. (Fonda, Wills points out, was 37 at the time and had a wife and three kids.) But these were established stars. Wayne knew that if he took a few years off for military service, there was a good chance that by the time he got back he'd be over the hill.
People who knew Wayne say he felt bad about not having served. (During the war he'd gotten into a few fights with servicemen who wondered why he wasn't in uniform.) Some think his guilty conscience was one reason he became such a superpatriot later. The fact remains that the man who came to symbolize American patriotism and pride had a chance to do more than just act the part, and he let it pass.
http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_004.html
that was my only point...
...he should have gone and didnt, im not saying whether war is good/evil but what i ma saying is most people at that time didnt get the chance to "defer enlistment" or not to go...whether they were 18 or john waynes age...irrespective of any loved ones/family that they may have had...
...im saying because he had that little fame (and i dont mean monetary power but movie/studio power) he was able to avoid going...
...whereas many were not....
...and he chose not to
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another funny thing about infinite is he never has an original idea himself... he always reads or hears something....then reports straight to dubcc to preach "his" new opinion
exactly
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I think DJ Quik said it best...
I'll prove I'm proper and your game is wack with one line
I'll never put my name on a track that wasn't mine.
You're a fake. A phony. If you can't be real on something that’s a simple as a message board, what does that say about you as an individual?
Your card has been pulled Abdul R Karim.
Keep posting, it's funny for people. From here on out, it's clear that your posts hold absolutely zero weight.
You little pathetic shit; You fukkin Chino X-L dissin Pac ass motherfucker. You dont have no weight to comment on the weight that I have.
Your ignorant exposed ass cannot pull my card. My card will not be pulled by a faggot such as yourself. The nerve of you to even think that.
Copy and Paste questions based on a copy and paste knowledge will get a copy and paste response. It took 5 seconds on yahoo to dispose of your post.
2 assasinations plus one revolt speaks for 800 years of Muslim presence in Spain? Laughable.
By the way, when did you start quoting rappers in ya posts?
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Questions:
If a rapper gets caught biting does he get respect? No.
If a professor catches a student plagiarizing, what happens? The student fails.
If a writer tries to pass off others writings as his own, is that writer considered intelligent? No.
Keep trying to play it off like you have some sort of weight, but the truth is: you don't.
You tried to pass something off as your own that clearly wasn't.
You're a fake, a fraud, a phony.
I really don't see how you can argue that.
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Questions:
If a rapper gets caught biting does he get respect? No.
If a professor catches a student plagiarizing, what happens? The student fails.
If a writer tries to pass off others writings as his own, is that writer considered intelligent? No.
Keep trying to play it off like you have some sort of weight, but the truth is: you don't.
You tried to pass something off as your own that clearly wasn't.
You're a fake, a fraud, a phony.
I really don't see how you can argue that.
You dumb monkey. When you read that paragraph did you really think I was writing that? Its in all formal speak, and then Tech follows up with a 2 sentence commentary with swear words and slang. Youre fuckin desparate, this is what you have succumbed to. Its disgusting.
And youre faggot ass will naturally exploit this till your heart collapses because in 3 YEARS this is all u can come up with. This is your dent in my shining armour!?!? You are gonna tell me I have no weight? When youre the one saying that one assasinaton and ONE revolt speaks for 800 YEARS OF MUSLIM OCCUPATION OF SPAIN?
Youre gonna forget the fact that naturally, when it comes to knowledge, you are outclassed. Youre gonna conviniently forget that you were speakin out ya ass, and you got slapped. So go ahead, its not surprising or new. Ignore my post, and jump on this issue, and ride it to death. Im still gonna be in ya next post exposing you wit knowledge, not bitch tactics, but with knowledge.
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This just in from Tech:
The little e-respect Tech had for you is gone, seeing your despicable attempts to assasinate my character. You really think Tech didnt know that shit that was in that summary? You really think I "cant formulate my own opinions?" You really think you got me on this? Seriously man, you wanna prove a point on me, do it properly, dont resort to bitch tactics. You really expect me to believe you know 5% of Islamic Spain? You really think Im that dumb that I dont know that you just recently read some random paper attackin the "'myths" of Islamic spain and you wanna post that here to fit your agenda? You really believe you havent been my e-bitch for 3 years? This is Tech youre talkin to .
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This just in from Tech:
The little e-respect Tech had for you is gone, seeing your despicable attempts to assasinate my character. You really think Tech didnt know that shit that was in that summary? You really think I "cant formulate my own opinions?" You really think you got me on this? Seriously man, you wanna prove a point on me, do it properly, dont resort to bitch tactics. You really expect me to believe you know 5% of Islamic Spain? You really think Im that dumb that I dont know that you just recently read some random paper attackin the "'myths" of Islamic spain and you wanna post that here to fit your agenda? You really believe you havent been my e-bitch for 3 years? This is Tech youre talkin to .
Lol. You fell for it. Your moneky ass fell for it. I knew that this is all a pathetic desperate attempt to discredit me, and I sent u a pm to tell u that Tech did not approve of your bitch tactics. And you posted the pm right away before the ink was even dry. Like the goof in the front of the class who told the teacher right away that Tech was hittin him with spit balls. Your agenda has been exposed. You stupid hick dumb motherfucker Tech just played your ass like tennis raquets. So go ahead Englewood, tell me whats so crazy about my pms contents and my defense in regular threads. Was I pleading with you? Confessing secretly? Seriously, and your point is?
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Questions:
If a rapper gets caught biting does he get respect?
If a professor catches a student plagiarizing, what happens?
If a writer tries to pass off others writings as his own, is that writer considered intelligent?
Keep trying to play it off like you have some sort of weight, but the truth is: you don't.
You tried to pass something off as your own that clearly wasn't.
You're a fake, a fraud, a phony.
I really don't see how you can argue that.
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Keep riding till the wheels fall off.
Its like the dog who is abused by his master for three years. To the point where the mutt is conditioned to cower when the master simply raises his hands. The mutt is desperate to leave, to escape, to attack the master who has suppressed him. This is entertaining. Please continue. How about you post mY response PM? 8)
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Lol. You fell for it. Your moneky ass fell for it. I knew that this is all a pathetic desperate attempt to discredit me, and I sent u a pm to tell u that Tech did not approve of your bitch tactics. And you posted the pm right away before the ink was even dry. Like the goof in the front of the class who told the teacher right away that Tech was hittin him with spit balls. Your agenda has been exposed. You stupid hick dumb motherfucker Tech just played your ass like tennis raquets. So go ahead Englewood, tell me whats so crazy about my pms contents and my defense in regular threads. Was I pleading with you? Confessing secretly? Seriously, and your point is?
How can I descredit you when you're doing such a good job yourself. You can tell stories all you want, but take a long hard look at the facts: You're fake, I'm not.
Please answer the following questions:
If a rapper gets caught biting does he get respect?
If a professor catches a student plagiarizing, what happens?
If a writer tries to pass off others writings as his own, is that writer considered intelligent?
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Bitch, you dont ask me questions. Why do you assume you = me?
I have some questions for u
1. Why after being abused for three years is this how u will attempt to assasinate my e-character?
2. Why is it forgotten that your entire BASE OF KNOWLEDGE is based on the works of others, and the majority of your posts are others peoples articles? To the point where until 3 months ago, no one knew what you believed?
3. Why do u assume one assasination speaks for 800 years of Islamic domination spread across different kingdoms?
<-----------DJ Premier not crediting a vocal sample on the hook
lol @ rapper caught bitting. Why would a rapper need to bite when that rapper is the GZA and youre the retarded one in the Ying Yan twins
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Bitch, you dont ask me questions. Why do you assume you = me?
I have some questions for u
1. Why after being abused for three years is this how u will attempt to assasinate my e-character?
2. Why is it forgotten that your entire BASE OF KNOWLEDGE is based on the works of others, and the majority of your posts are others peoples articles? To the point where until 3 months ago, no one knew what you believed?
3. Why do u assume one assasination speaks for 800 years of Islamic domination spread across different kingdoms?
<-----------DJ Premier not crediting a vocal sample on the hook
lol @ rapper caught bitting. Why would a rapper need to bite when that rapper is the GZA and youre the retarded one in the Ying Yan twins
You can't answer the questions because you know the answers! If you can't be real on the internet, what does that say about you in real life? LOL.
That Premier example is the worst ever.
There's a BIG difference between Premier using a SAMPLE to create a new song and taking a whole instrumental, not changing it, and passing it off as his own.
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LMAO.
He aint a crook son... son, he just shook one... shook one...
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Tech, all Woodrow has been doing for the last year is responding to every one of your moves, by doing a google search and posting whatever deragoratory comments he can find, no matter how minuscule his findings. Just keep blessing the board with your knowledge and creativity, the haters are going to hate, but hey.. that's what makes this forum so damn entertaining.
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Tech, all Woodrow has been doing for the last year is responding to every one of your moves, by doing a google search and posting whatever deragoratory comments he can find, no matter how minuscule his findings. Just keep blessing the board with your knowledge and creativity, the haters are going to hate, but hey.. that's what makes this forum so damn entertaining.
LOL
This coming from the self-depicted dunce who has a hard time with everydays tasks on the job and has failed out of his college courses.
Yeah. You hold a lot of weight too!
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LMAO.
He aint a crook son... son, he just shook one... shook one...
White boys from Oregon are not allowed to comment on whether Tech is a crook or shook
Especially white boys from Oregon who dont know shit, and have constantly been proven, over the course of 3 years to not know shit.
Especially white boys from Oregon who jacked my whole style and steez, raise up off a deez......
Especially white boys from Oregon who copies and pastes because of stupidity not laziness.
You can fool the niggaz in the Anything goes, or the west coast connection, but in the TOT you still aint passed the test. Cuz I know a white girl when I see one. You been a fraud for years, why would I have to be one? Tech got you so insecure, you wanted to compare occupations. You fuckin with King Tech better run run run....LOL.
Only difference between you and c walker is c walker dont run a dj quik site lol
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LMAO.
He aint a crook son... son, he just shook one... shook one...
White boys from Oregon are not allowed to comment on whether Tech is a crook or shook
Especially white boys from Oregon who dont know shit, and have constantly been proven, over the course of 3 years to not know shit.
Especially white boys from Oregon who jacked my whole style and steez, raise up off a deez......
Especially white boys from Oregon who copies and pastes because of stupidity not laziness.
You can fool the niggaz in the Anything goes, or the west coast connection, but in the TOT you still aint passed the test. Cuz I know a white girl when I see one. You been a fraud for years, why would I have to be one? Tech got you so insecure, you wanted to compare occupations. You fuckin with King Tech better run run run....LOL.
Only difference between you and c walker is c walker dont run a dj quik site lol
Plagiarizing Afghans from Canada hold a LOT more weight??!!!
LMAO
Who am I "fooling" by pointing out that you're a fake? I mean, it's not like I'm making up baseless accusations or something. It's clear as day for anybody to see that you're a fake.
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This coming from the self-depicted dunce who has a hard time with everydays tasks on the job and has failed out of his college courses.
Yeah. You hold a lot of weight too!
Exactly what I said! True to form. That's all you are is a hater, who has no human decency, self-respect or knowledge of self. Ya'll were making left-handed attempts to depict me as an arrogant, know it all, so I spoke with humility, when I said I struggle in this life just like everyone else, I've had to drop classes I struggle in school. All you are is a hater with no purpose but to hate, you call me arrogant, then when I speak out of humility, you try to use those words against me. This is a clear sign of a hater. No purpose, no matter what move I make, haters are going to hate. That's just the way it is. I can't be sincere with you because you don't understand sincerity, your so empty, you merely live to fullfill your ego.
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(http://www.dj-quik.net/silky.jpg)
Finite You sound like a Cross between Elton John with a sore throat and a special needs student.
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Finite You sound like a Cross between Elton John with a sore throat and a special needs student.
ur pathetic comments have entitled u to enter Mr. Hustla_4eva's DumbShit List
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LMAO.
He aint a crook son... son, he just shook one... shook one...
White boys from Oregon are not allowed to comment on whether Tech is a crook or shook
Especially white boys from Oregon who dont know shit, and have constantly been proven, over the course of 3 years to not know shit.
Especially white boys from Oregon who jacked my whole style and steez, raise up off a deez......
Especially white boys from Oregon who copies and pastes because of stupidity not laziness.
You can fool the niggaz in the Anything goes, or the west coast connection, but in the TOT you still aint passed the test. Cuz I know a white girl when I see one. You been a fraud for years, why would I have to be one? Tech got you so insecure, you wanted to compare occupations. You fuckin with King Tech better run run run....LOL.
Only difference between you and c walker is c walker dont run a dj quik site lol
Plagiarizing Afghans from Canada hold a LOT more weight??!!!
LMAO
Who am I "fooling" by pointing out that you're a fake? I mean, it's not like I'm making up baseless accusations or something. It's clear as day for anybody to see that you're a fake.
You would LOVE for Tech to be fake. Then all those spankings and abuse youve recieved at my hands would be less legitimate. But Tech still gets love on these TOT streets. Your pussy ass gets a pass cuz u run a nice site.
Englewood, name one issue where u had Tech beat? Youre good with the copy and pastin and searchin, go look that shit up.
Tech stay undefeated.
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Ey some one up pictures of Bert Englewood from that Quik DVD, drinking beers. Ha ha ha. Pathetic.
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You would LOVE for Tech to be fake. Then all those spankings and abuse youve recieved at my hands would be less legitimate. But Tech still gets love on these TOT streets. Your pussy ass gets a pass cuz u run a nice site.
Englewood, name one issue where u had Tech beat? Youre good with the copy and pastin and searchin, go look that shit up.
Tech stay undefeated.
TOT Streets?!! LOL! THIS IS THE INTERNET!
Name one issue where I had you beat?! Take a look back at this topic.
Keep it up you fake.
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LOL. This lame will never stop, because this is all he has.
See Tech cant remember specific instances of punking you, its all one blur after all these years. The threads, issues, topics, criticism, youve gotten it so hard over the years, i cant remember specific instances its like askin a porn star "remember that one time u had sex ..."
So when Tech punks u, he adds it to the list and keeps it moving. Englewood here is ecstatic, he barely contains his zeal, hes damn near ejaculating at the tip, cuz he thinks he gots Tech in a corner.
Hes gonna ride this till the wheels fall off.
Pathetic. Not as pathetic as losing an argument and jumpin on a side note (10 years speaks for 800?).
But pathetic nonetheless. Keep tryin homo. 8)
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Pathetic. Not as pathetic as losing an argument and jumpin on a side note (10 years speaks for 800?).
But pathetic nonetheless. Keep tryin homo. 8)
Like I've said before, Institutionalized discrimination isn't savage enough for you?
Why would I bother to spend my time and effort posting up a rebuttal when It's clear you aren't doing your own thinking?
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Why would I bother to spend my time and effort posting up a rebuttal when It's clear you aren't doing your own thinking?
The irony of this statement, and the nerve of you to say this to me. Anyways, Chino X-L u got enough attention.
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The irony of this statement, and the nerve of you to say this to me. Anyways, Chino X-L u got enough attention.
It's not even like you took your plagiarized shit from a reputable source...
themodernreligion.com? Yeah... That’s a real unbiased and sound source for information.
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No Bruce Willis was the Hero...
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Bruce Willis aint got shit on John Rambo
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Bruce Willis aint got shit on John Rambo
John Mclane shits on both of them.
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John Rambo did in 74 minutes what it took Afghans 10 years to do.
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FUCK JOHN WAYNE...FUCK COLUMBUS ...whoever likes these shit-heads disgust me
btw what did flava flav say about that PIECE of SHIT (john wayne)
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FUCK JOHN WAYNE...FUCK COLUMBUS ...whoever likes these shit-heads disgust me
btw what did flava flav say about that PIECE of SHIT (john wayne)
How are Wayne in Columbus in the same category? Also, I find it odd that a guy that reps a gang in his sig doesn't like Chris Columbus and his group of thugs.
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i just dont :o :o
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John Wayne Was a Nazi
John Wayne was a Nazi
He liked to play SS
Kept a picture of Adolph
Tucked in his cowboy vest
Sure he would string up your mother
Sure he would torture your pa
Sure he would march up to the wall
Sure he would hang you by your last ball
He was a Nazi
But not anymore
He was a Nazi
Life evens the score
John Wayne slaughtered our Indian brothers
Burned their villages and raped their mothers
Now he has given them the white man's lord
Live by this, or die by my sword
He was a Nazi
But not anymore
He was a Nazi
Life evens the score
John Wayne killed a lot of gooks in the war
We don't give a fuck about John anymore
We all heard his tale of blood and gore
Just another pawn for the capitalist whore
He was a Nazi
But not anymore
He was a Nazi
Life evens the score
John Wayne wore an army uniform
Didn't like us reds and fags that didn't conform
Great white hero had so much nerve
Lived much longer than he deserved
He was a Nazi
But not anymore
He was a Nazi
Life evens the score
Late show Indian or Mexican dies
Klan propaganda legitimized
Hypocrite coward never fought a real fight
When I see John I'm ashamed to be white
Death bed Christian of this you avowed
If God's alive, you're roastin' now
Well, John, we got no regrets
As long as you died a long and painful death
He was a Nazi
But not anymore
He was a Nazi
Life evens the score
-mdc
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John Wayne didn't write the mother fuckin movies he just acted as far as Columbus yah fuck Columbus