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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: acbaylove on December 25, 2004, 03:40:32 PM
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SHIT!
Kobe was been absolutely Jordanesque for 3 quarters and half of the 4th. A real one man show. One white jersey against five red ones, like in every possession. Then Shaq fouled him, 6th foul, fouled out. And Kobe pretty much disappeared. Wade stepped up, Odom stepped up. Overtime. Kobe continued to be a ghost, last shoot by the Lakers. Kobe takes it. Misses.
I really dont know what to say, i've enjoyed watching this incredible game. Shaq is the best C in the league, Kobe is the best player in the league, they are by far the best players in the world.. and it's a shame they dont like each others.
Shit, at least now i know Lakers can beat every team in the league..
For the record, Shaq 24+11, Kobe 42 points.
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i dont watch nba i prefer ncaa but i watche this whole game and kobe sure is a fuckin ballhog!
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SHIT!
Kobe was been absolutely Jordanesque for 3 quarters and half of the 4th. A real one man show. One white jersey against five red ones, like in every possession. Then Shaq fouled him, 6th foul, fouled out. And Kobe pretty much disappeared. Wade stepped up, Odom stepped up. Overtime. Kobe continued to be a ghost, last shoot by the Lakers. Kobe takes it. Misses.
I really dont know what to say, i've enjoyed watching this incredible game. Shaq is the best C in the league, Kobe is the best player in the league, they are by far the best players in the world.. and it's a shame they dont like each others.
Shit, at least now i know Lakers can beat every team in the league..
For the record, Shaq 24+11, Kobe 42 points.
Is this the first lakers game you watched man? Sounds like you were watching Kobe for the first time...i've seen kobe do much better on defence. Points mean shit when you dont win ;D. And why do I have to keep telling you...GARNETT is the best player in the league ;D
Oh and btw, I was watching the Canada vs Slovakia hockey game (GO CANADA!)..so I only watched the 3rd and 4th quarter so I don't really know what happened 1st and 2nd quarter. Heat stepped up in Defence....then when Shaq was followed out, I wasn't scared cause I knew "No need to fear, flash is hear!". and wade kicked some ass ;D
Funny how when Shaq was fouled out..Kobe didn't scared after that either (except for the freethrows from the shaq foul)
But honestly, I've seen better games in the league. 8)...even though this was my 4 game NBA game i watched all year (the other 3 were Cav games)
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First, let's not go too far homie. You sound like someone who's full of adrenalin... or Coke.
But I agree to the extend that it was a really good game and Kobe was very good, but skipped crunch time which made the Lakers lose eventually.
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The presence of Caron Butler was missed...Lakers were lacking in the small forward area with Devan George and Caron Butler both out...The presence of good referees was also missed...I mean, Kobe got fouled driving to the whole so fuckin' much, and the whistle was only blowing about half the time...It's all good though, Lakers have taken most of the championship contenders all the way to the final seconds as a developing team and without many of their key players...Lakers shoulda' won this one, but what I'm really waiting for now is a winning streak by the Lakers...They're overdue and once everyone makes their way back into the line-up, the Lakers will be feared...Lamar Odom is also steadily improving, so that's another positive...This should be the Lakers wake up call...PeACe
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Is this the first lakers game you watched man? Sounds like you were watching Kobe for the first time...i've seen kobe do much better on defence. Points mean shit when you dont win ;D. And why do I have to keep telling you...GARNETT is the best player in the league ;D
No, not the first time, but the 3rd one of the Kobe-era. The other 2 i've seen full are Lakers vs Phoenix (but you know, Phoenix is a strange team, like Dallas, like Sacramento.. they like to score, not to defend. And they dont have Shaq inside) and Lakers vs Kings (but Kings aint the same no more). But this one is the first one i've seen against Shaq. Against Shaq is always "the" game. Not only for Kobe & the Lakers, but for everybody. If you can win against Shaq, you can win the title. Well.. Kobe did a monster job. But i doubt he can repeat it in a Play Offs serie. It was really a one man show..
About KG.. yeah, he's a wonderful player too. But you know.. mentally he's not an MVP, imo. Tecnically and Phisically he is, but mentally he's far from Kobe & Shaq.
But honestly, I've seen better games in the league. 8)...even though this was my 4 game NBA game i watched all year (the other 3 were Cav games)
This one was not a "regular" season match, man. C'mon.. The Christmas day, at 3pm, with the whole world watching you....
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First, let's not go too far homie. You sound like someone who's full of adrenalin... or Coke.
Well it's 1 am, i'm full of adrenalin, man..
You should be in the same position if you were a Laker fan..
But I agree to the extend that it was a really good game and Kobe was very good, but skipped crunch time which made the Lakers lose eventually.
Yeah. But he's the best in the league, usually, in that situation. So i can forgive him.
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A Laker fan like me still is upset over a loss like this...One shot would have made a difference, just like many other Laker losses this year... :-\
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A Laker fan like me still is upset over a loss like this...One shot would have made a difference, just like many other Laker losses this year... :-\
Fri 19 @ Phoenix L 102 - 107
Fri 26 vs Sacramento L 106 - 109
Wed 8 vs Phoenix L 110 - 113
Fri 17 vs Washington L 116 - 120 OT
Sat 25 vs Miami L 102 - 104 OT
That's why i'm happy and sad at the same time. Sad cause we've lost those games, happy cause we just miss one step to win against the best teams in the league.
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This was typical Kobe in my opinion. A one man show with a big "L" attatched to it. If the Lakers make the playoffs I predict a 1st round loss.
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kobe sacrificed the win to take the shot
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This was typical Kobe in my opinion. A one man show with a big "L" attatched to it.
Should i remember you Kobe played with Atkins, Mihm, Jumaine Jones and Odom (only good player, but not as good as Wade..) in the starting five? C'mon now..
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A Laker fan like me still is upset over a loss like this...One shot would have made a difference, just like many other Laker losses this year... :-\
any true fan would be upset over a loss like this
next big match up..Lakers vs Cavs ;D
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next big match up..Lakers vs Cavs ;D
when?
hail the king or kiss the ring!
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This was typical Kobe in my opinion. A one man show with a big "L" attatched to it. If the Lakers make the playoffs I predict a 1st round loss.
It's a one man show because the rest of the Lakers are still developing as a team...Most of these players haven't even played together until 4 months ago...They're still mending, and they're getting closer and closer to playing like a team...It's not Kobe's fault at all, he's the only one who's really with the program. He's averaging the most assists on the team as well, so there goes his "ball-hog" title. The fact of the matter is that Lakers are playing on the same level as championship contender teams, and as the season grows deeper, they will continue to improve...And there is not an "IF" the Lakers make the playoffs...PeACe
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kobe sacrificed the win to take the shot
What do you mean? He took a good shot and we've seen him drain those so many times before. Have you even watched Kobe play? I don't think the Lakers could have gotten a better shot attempt than the one they took... ::)
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i dont agree
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LOL, then what woulda' been a better shot than that, Mr. NBA analyst?
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i dont agree
Kobe has to take the shot...he doesn't get paid to not score :D
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This was typical Kobe in my opinion. A one man show with a big "L" attatched to it. If the Lakers make the playoffs I predict a 1st round loss.
It's a one man show because the rest of the Lakers are still developing as a team...Most of these players haven't even played together until 4 months ago...They're still mending, and they're getting closer and closer to playing like a team...It's not Kobe's fault at all, he's the only one who's really with the program. He's averaging the most assists on the team as well, so there goes his "ball-hog" title. The fact of the matter is that Lakers are playing on the same level as championship contender teams, and as the season grows deeper, they will continue to improve...And there is not an "IF" the Lakers make the playoffs...PeACe
This has nothing to do with whose fault it is. Some guys are winners and some aren't. Jordan=Winner, Bird=Winner, Magic=winner, Russel=Winner, Shaq=Winner, etc. Kobe=guy who played with a winner and hasn't proved to be a winner himself yet. I've said before that I don't think Kobe has what it takes to lead a team like the greats. Larry lead a bunch of losers to first place in his rookie year, and all the way to the conference finals. Kobe is older and more experienced than Larry was at that time, he has no excuse. Lakers are in 7th and there a few teams very close to them. A playoff spot is hardly a guarantee. I'm not doubting it but I can't say they'll be there for sure.
There is a difference between a great player on a great team and a great player who makes a team great. Up until this year Kobe has been the former. Let's see if he can become the latter.
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Jordan=Winner, Bird=Winner, Magic=winner, Russel=Winner, Shaq=Winner, etc. Kobe=guy who played with a winner and hasn't proved to be a winner himself yet.
;D
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LOL, then what woulda' been a better shot than that, Mr. NBA analyst?
A 2 points shot. ;)
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This was typical Kobe in my opinion. A one man show with a big "L" attatched to it. If the Lakers make the playoffs I predict a 1st round loss.
It's a one man show because the rest of the Lakers are still developing as a team...Most of these players haven't even played together until 4 months ago...They're still mending, and they're getting closer and closer to playing like a team...It's not Kobe's fault at all, he's the only one who's really with the program. He's averaging the most assists on the team as well, so there goes his "ball-hog" title. The fact of the matter is that Lakers are playing on the same level as championship contender teams, and as the season grows deeper, they will continue to improve...And there is not an "IF" the Lakers make the playoffs...PeACe
This has nothing to do with whose fault it is. Some guys are winners and some aren't. Jordan=Winner, Bird=Winner, Magic=winner, Russel=Winner, Shaq=Winner, etc. Kobe=guy who played with a winner and hasn't proved to be a winner himself yet. I've said before that I don't think Kobe has what it takes to lead a team like the greats. Larry lead a bunch of losers to first place in his rookie year, and all the way to the conference finals. Kobe is older and more experienced than Larry was at that time, he has no excuse. Lakers are in 7th and there a few teams very close to them. A playoff spot is hardly a guarantee. I'm not doubting it but I can't say they'll be there for sure.
There is a difference between a great player on a great team and a great player who makes a team great. Up until this year Kobe has been the former. Let's see if he can become the latter.
Why Shaq is a winner and Kobe isnt? ;D
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This was typical Kobe in my opinion. A one man show with a big "L" attatched to it. If the Lakers make the playoffs I predict a 1st round loss.
It's a one man show because the rest of the Lakers are still developing as a team...Most of these players haven't even played together until 4 months ago...They're still mending, and they're getting closer and closer to playing like a team...It's not Kobe's fault at all, he's the only one who's really with the program. He's averaging the most assists on the team as well, so there goes his "ball-hog" title. The fact of the matter is that Lakers are playing on the same level as championship contender teams, and as the season grows deeper, they will continue to improve...And there is not an "IF" the Lakers make the playoffs...PeACe
This has nothing to do with whose fault it is. Some guys are winners and some aren't. Jordan=Winner, Bird=Winner, Magic=winner, Russel=Winner, Shaq=Winner, etc. Kobe=guy who played with a winner and hasn't proved to be a winner himself yet. I've said before that I don't think Kobe has what it takes to lead a team like the greats. Larry lead a bunch of losers to first place in his rookie year, and all the way to the conference finals. Kobe is older and more experienced than Larry was at that time, he has no excuse. Lakers are in 7th and there a few teams very close to them. A playoff spot is hardly a guarantee. I'm not doubting it but I can't say they'll be there for sure.
There is a difference between a great player on a great team and a great player who makes a team great. Up until this year Kobe has been the former. Let's see if he can become the latter.
A bunch of loser? Larry never played on a new team with players who never played together in the past...You think if Larry Bird was in Kobe's position the Lakers would be doing any better? LMAO...Kobe hasn't proved that he's a winner yet but how has Shaq? Sure, Shaq made it to the NBA Finals, but he had a star in Penny Hardaway on his team...How about 1996-1999, the 3 years Shaq couldn't make it past the first round of the playoffs, because Kobe was still developing his game...Kobe is playing his first season without Shaq, so I have no idea how you can already indicate that he's not a winner...As we've seen today, Miami could barely even put out an injured, developing Lakers in overtime, and Miami has another superstar, Dwayne Wade; the Lakers don't...Now tell me how your argument makes ANY sense?
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LOL, then what woulda' been a better shot than that, Mr. NBA analyst?
A 2 points shot. ;)
With 3 seconds remaining? I don't think so...
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This was typical Kobe in my opinion. A one man show with a big "L" attatched to it. If the Lakers make the playoffs I predict a 1st round loss.
It's a one man show because the rest of the Lakers are still developing as a team...Most of these players haven't even played together until 4 months ago...They're still mending, and they're getting closer and closer to playing like a team...It's not Kobe's fault at all, he's the only one who's really with the program. He's averaging the most assists on the team as well, so there goes his "ball-hog" title. The fact of the matter is that Lakers are playing on the same level as championship contender teams, and as the season grows deeper, they will continue to improve...And there is not an "IF" the Lakers make the playoffs...PeACe
This has nothing to do with whose fault it is. Some guys are winners and some aren't. Jordan=Winner, Bird=Winner, Magic=winner, Russel=Winner, Shaq=Winner, etc. Kobe=guy who played with a winner and hasn't proved to be a winner himself yet. I've said before that I don't think Kobe has what it takes to lead a team like the greats. Larry lead a bunch of losers to first place in his rookie year, and all the way to the conference finals. Kobe is older and more experienced than Larry was at that time, he has no excuse. Lakers are in 7th and there a few teams very close to them. A playoff spot is hardly a guarantee. I'm not doubting it but I can't say they'll be there for sure.
There is a difference between a great player on a great team and a great player who makes a team great. Up until this year Kobe has been the former. Let's see if he can become the latter.
A bunch of loser? Larry never played on a new team with players who never played together in the past...You think if Larry Bird was in Kobe's position the Lakers would be doing any better? LMAO...Kobe hasn't proved that he's a winner yet but how has Shaq? Sure, Shaq made it to the NBA Finals, but he had a star in Penny Hardaway on his team...How about 1996-1999, the 3 years Shaq couldn't make it past the first round of the playoffs, because Kobe was still developing his game...Kobe is playing his first season without Shaq, so I have no idea how you can already indicate that he's not a winner...As we've seen today, Miami could barely even put out an injured, developing Lakers in overtime, and Miami has another superstar, Dwayne Wade; the Lakers don't...Now tell me how your argument makes ANY sense?
Take a look at the Celtics in 79, then take a look at them in 80. A rookie Larry Bird was the only difference between 29-53 and 61-21. You can argue Shaq vs Kobe all you want, but Larry is in another level. If Shaq wins this year and Kobe doesn't make the playoffs. IF this happens I want to you stop forever.
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uhhh shaq hasnt proved shit without Kobe on his team. he has no finals games wins w/out Kobe. so how could u call shaq a "winner" and kobe a "loser?" not real good logic
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uhhh shaq hasnt proved shit without Kobe on his team. he has no finals games wins w/out Kobe. so how could u call shaq a "winner" and kobe a "loser?" not real good logic
Shaq made himself a force before he met Kobe. But both of em playing together..HELPED BOTH OF THEIR careers.
I mean, Miami is #1 in the east, no matter how you look at it, #1 is #1. You can argue how if lakers were in the east they'd be #1 blah blah blah. Lakers have a record of 5-4 versus east teams, and 9-8 versus west teams.
If you don't get the win, it doens't matter. You can lose by 1 point or 20 points, it doesn't matter..you didn't get the win, and that's all that counts.
Anywayz, bottem line..Lakers and Miami gonna both make the playoffs..but i dont think either of them are making the NBA finals
btw, my cavs in the east are 6-3 versus West teams ;D...my timberwolves in the west are 12-4 versus the west..but 3-6 versus the east :o
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This was typical Kobe in my opinion. A one man show with a big "L" attatched to it. If the Lakers make the playoffs I predict a 1st round loss.
It's a one man show because the rest of the Lakers are still developing as a team...Most of these players haven't even played together until 4 months ago...They're still mending, and they're getting closer and closer to playing like a team...It's not Kobe's fault at all, he's the only one who's really with the program. He's averaging the most assists on the team as well, so there goes his "ball-hog" title. The fact of the matter is that Lakers are playing on the same level as championship contender teams, and as the season grows deeper, they will continue to improve...And there is not an "IF" the Lakers make the playoffs...PeACe
This has nothing to do with whose fault it is. Some guys are winners and some aren't. Jordan=Winner, Bird=Winner, Magic=winner, Russel=Winner, Shaq=Winner, etc. Kobe=guy who played with a winner and hasn't proved to be a winner himself yet. I've said before that I don't think Kobe has what it takes to lead a team like the greats. Larry lead a bunch of losers to first place in his rookie year, and all the way to the conference finals. Kobe is older and more experienced than Larry was at that time, he has no excuse. Lakers are in 7th and there a few teams very close to them. A playoff spot is hardly a guarantee. I'm not doubting it but I can't say they'll be there for sure.
There is a difference between a great player on a great team and a great player who makes a team great. Up until this year Kobe has been the former. Let's see if he can become the latter.
A bunch of loser? Larry never played on a new team with players who never played together in the past...You think if Larry Bird was in Kobe's position the Lakers would be doing any better? LMAO...Kobe hasn't proved that he's a winner yet but how has Shaq? Sure, Shaq made it to the NBA Finals, but he had a star in Penny Hardaway on his team...How about 1996-1999, the 3 years Shaq couldn't make it past the first round of the playoffs, because Kobe was still developing his game...Kobe is playing his first season without Shaq, so I have no idea how you can already indicate that he's not a winner...As we've seen today, Miami could barely even put out an injured, developing Lakers in overtime, and Miami has another superstar, Dwayne Wade; the Lakers don't...Now tell me how your argument makes ANY sense?
Take a look at the Celtics in 79, then take a look at them in 80. A rookie Larry Bird was the only difference between 29-53 and 61-21. You can argue Shaq vs Kobe all you want, but Larry is in another level. If Shaq wins this year and Kobe doesn't make the playoffs. IF this happens I want to you stop forever.
You're trippin' dude...I know Bird is a legend and all, but Kobe is no doubt a future legend...PeACe
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uhhh shaq hasnt proved shit without Kobe on his team. he has no finals games wins w/out Kobe. so how could u call shaq a "winner" and kobe a "loser?" not real good logic
Because I have always believed that Shaq was the reason for the wins and Kobe could have been replaced with about 7 or 8 different guys, while Shaq could have been replaced by only Duncan. The next couple years will show if I'm right or not.
and NIK, Kobe has never shown me anything outside of a few high light reel appearances to make me think he's anywhere near Bird yet.
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LOL, then what woulda' been a better shot than that, Mr. NBA analyst?
A 2 points shot. ;)
With 3 seconds remaining? I don't think so...
Why not? I mean in Europe they prefeer to make another OT rather than doing the thing everybody is expecting.. done by the guy everybody is doubling.. In fact they doubled Kobe and Kobe shot from 3pts. Like everybody was expecting. And he didnt have enought balance when he shot. But i understand in the NBA they usually play to make the last WINNING shot rather than a 2 points play.
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Anyway IN NO WAY i'm saying this is the "last step" they need (they'll probably have it in 2007..), but the addition of Caron Butler, Vlade Divac (100% healty) and Devean George will help them for sure.
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Anyway LMAO @ Shaq saying this one was just a "normal" game before the match. What a fucking lyer, lol.
"All day, I was saying to myself, no layups and no dunks. I kind of forgot I had five [fouls] at that point."
No layups and dunks for everybody?
"Basically everybody, but especially, you know, him," O'Neal said.
(source: NBA.com)
LOL what a moron! He left the team without him just to intentionally foul Kobe..
He's very lucky that Kobe felt tired at that point and he didnt close the game..
Immagine Kobe making 15 points in the last 5 minutes and winning the game..
Shaq risked too much. He did a pretty huge mistake.
I'm the first to blame Kobe when he makes a basketball mistake, but this time it was Shaq doing it.
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I agree, with 3 secondes left Kobe should have taken a pick and roll and penetrade to the basket, get fouled, make them free-throws and force another over-time without Shaq.
But Antonio, don't you play basketball too? If it's your mission to not let easy, psychologically important baskets happen, you sometimes forget about what would be better on a long-term basis. Plus Im sure Shaq really didnt want to see Bryant doing a fancy dunk with him standing by for like a million times in slow motion on TV after the Game.
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I agree, with 3 secondes left Kobe should have taken a pick and roll and penetrade to the basket, get fouled, make them free-throws and force another over-time without Shaq.
Yeah, that's what we do here in Europe. I mean Kobe was playing at home, against a Shaq-less Miami, and he wasnt 100% healty (he was hella tired, in fact he was scoreless since 3'' in the 4th quarter). Odom and Atkins were making them 3 points since then. So Kobe wasnt the best guy to shoot from 3pts (what about Odom? He was on fire from 3pts, plus he really wanted to make that shot. Just watch his reaction after Bryant, doubled, missed the last shot). And a 3pts shot was too dangerous, expecially in Kobe's hands, since everybody and their moma knew Kobe was about to shoot from 3pts. Miami doubled him, he missed the shot. Game over. But like i said in the NBA they dont do those things. Players win or loose the matches, not tactics. I'm sure if it was an NCAA final, that one was a 2pts shot (or 2 FT shots). I aint mad at Kobe bacause of it. I mean he led Lakers till there, he deserved the shot. But that wasnt tecnically the best shot possible and the "right thing" to do.
Another example? Detroit last year. Lakers -3, a couple of seconds left. In Europe it was a no-time out situation. I mean everybody knows that's a typical foul situation with 2 FT. You make a faul, the other team makes 2 from the FT, you get the ball, you win. No. Brown did the "NBA" thing. He let Kobe make the last shot from 3pts. Kobe did it. Overtime. Lakers win. That's the great difference between NBA and NCAA/Europe.
But Antonio, don't you play basketball too? If it's your mission to not let easy, psychologically important baskets happen, you sometimes forget about what would be better on a long-term basis. Plus Im sure Shaq really didnt want to see Bryant doing a fancy dunk with him standing by for like a million times in slow motion on TV after the Game.
Yeah, of course. I was just joking with him.. cause he was acting like the thought guy, you know.. "That's just a normal game..". Hell naw! Have you seen his eyes? He wanted to win that game more than an NBA final. lol.
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lol...the lakers are in a fight for the 7th and 8th seeds...kobe doesnt make anyone better the way shaq does..the lakers fucked up...kobe = ball hog, dribbles 2 much, shoots 2 much...and doesnt get anyone else involved
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lol...the lakers are in a fight for the 7th and 8th seeds...kobe doesnt make anyone better the way shaq does..the lakers fucked up...kobe = ball hog, dribbles 2 much, shoots 2 much...and doesnt get anyone else involved
Once again it's easy to reply to you with stats: KOBE RANKS #6 IN NBA IN ASSIST PER GAME (7.2)
The truth is that Miami is a better team than the Lakers (without George, Butler and Divac), that Wade and Eddie Jones are two very good players (i just loved Eddie.. like everyone but Shaq did, in L.A.), that Leattner helped them a lot from the bench, that they had 4 different players rotating and defending on Kobe, and that Riley is the best coach ever to make games for a Center (remember Kareem?).
On the other side, Rudy T doesnt even have a gamebook: he just gives the ball to Kobe and Kobe creates. On the other side, Lakers have no decent players coming from the bench. And yesterday they started with Atkins, Mihm and Jumaine Jones. 3 decent back-up players, but nothing more. And if you consider the bench players were even worse......
I think you all disrespect Kobe too much. Yesterday Kobe did a great game, Shaq a pretty good (but nothing special) game. Yesterday Kobe did the last shot to win the game, while Shaq was so dumb to make a stupid foul against Kobe (his 6th) letting his team without him for the 4th quarter and the OT.
And, the last thing, you care too much about Kobe and Shaq. Or Jordan and Pippen. But remember a good supporting cast is fundamental: players like Horace Grant, Rodman, Harper, Paxon, Kerr, Horry, Fisher, Fox, Shaw, etc.. deserves the ring just like Kobe & Shaq. Cause it's a basketball TEAM, that's not tennis or golf.
So please, give it up with that random nonsense shit..
Lakers are in a fight for the 7th and 8th seeds..? Does it mean Miami did a wonderful game and Shaq dominated? Or viceversa?
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P.S. In Overtime, Kobe didnt shot till the last one. He just kept passing the ball and letting his teammates be involved. Lakers lost.
Until there, Kobe just kept shooting and playing alone. Lakers were winning.
Think about it.
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kobe said it was a normal game also. and my views on kobe was that he was a huge ballhog throughout the whole game. and the reason he wasnt hogging the ball at the end was because he was tired. kobe is a very good player but if he became more of a team player then they would do a lot better imo. but then again, this is the first time i have watched kobe and the lakers play since the finals last year. and about all this media bs, all in all kobe and shaq are both idiots imo. and i was hoping for the lakers to defeat the heat, bc for sum reason i dont like shaq. he claims to be all classy but ever since i saw barkley whoop his ass hes just a bitch.
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He's very lucky that Kobe felt tired at that point and he didnt close the game..
LOL...Kobe "felt" tired...arn't his team mates giving him 110% ;D? Those 9 turnovers really made him feel tired ::)
and if I was Shaq, i'd go for the block...Shaq was going for the block..when you're in a game like that with a very close score...everything counts..Shaq had to at least contest it
Antonio..lay off the coffee..or whatever you have in your system ;D
lol...the lakers are in a fight for the 7th and 8th seeds...kobe doesnt make anyone better the way shaq does..the lakers fucked up...kobe = ball hog, dribbles 2 much, shoots 2 much...and doesnt get anyone else involved
Does it mean Miami did a wonderful game and Shaq dominated? Or viceversa?
They had a horrible game
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uhhh shaq hasnt proved shit without Kobe on his team. he has no finals games wins w/out Kobe. so how could u call shaq a "winner" and kobe a "loser?" not real good logic
Because I have always believed that Shaq was the reason for the wins and Kobe could have been replaced with about 7 or 8 different guys, while Shaq could have been replaced by only Duncan. The next couple years will show if I'm right or not.
and NIK, Kobe has never shown me anything outside of a few high light reel appearances to make me think he's anywhere near Bird yet.
You must not watch basketball...Without Kobe, there is no way the Lakers would've won 3 straight championships...NO WAY IN HELL...You gotta be one dumbass not to know that.
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LOL, then what woulda' been a better shot than that, Mr. NBA analyst?
A 2 points shot. ;)
With 3 seconds remaining? I don't think so...
Why not? I mean in Europe they prefeer to make another OT rather than doing the thing everybody is expecting.. done by the guy everybody is doubling.. In fact they doubled Kobe and Kobe shot from 3pts. Like everybody was expecting. And he didnt have enought balance when he shot. But i understand in the NBA they usually play to make the last WINNING shot rather than a 2 points play.
The paint was being guarded, so there was no way to throw the ball into the painted area without having it deflected, and it takes a lot more than 3 seconds to drive the ball in and get a nice look at a lay-up...Kobe took the best shot possible, and that's probably the play Tomjonavich drew out...This isn't Europe, buddy.
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lol...the lakers are in a fight for the 7th and 8th seeds...kobe doesnt make anyone better the way shaq does..the lakers fucked up...kobe = ball hog, dribbles 2 much, shoots 2 much...and doesnt get anyone else involved
LMAO@Kobe doesn't make anyone better...Caron Butler, Chris Mihm, Chucky Atkins, Brian Cook, Jumain Jones, Tierre Brown, etc. are all playing better than they were last year...Lamar Odom is shooting a higher percentage shot than he ever has with Kobe on the team...Kobe is averaging about 7 assists a game, the most of his career...You don't know your shit, man...
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LOL, then what woulda' been a better shot than that, Mr. NBA analyst?
A 2 points shot. ;)
With 3 seconds remaining? I don't think so...
Why not? I mean in Europe they prefeer to make another OT rather than doing the thing everybody is expecting.. done by the guy everybody is doubling.. In fact they doubled Kobe and Kobe shot from 3pts. Like everybody was expecting. And he didnt have enought balance when he shot. But i understand in the NBA they usually play to make the last WINNING shot rather than a 2 points play.
The paint was being guarded, so there was no way to throw the ball into the painted area without having it deflected, and it takes a lot more than 3 seconds to drive the ball in and get a nice look at a lay-up...Kobe took the best shot possible, and that's probably the play Tomjonavich drew out...This isn't Europe, buddy.
No, it's not that the paint was guarded. It's that, like you said, both Kobe & Rudy T wanted Kobe to shot from 3pts. It wasnt an European game, I know. But i aint blaming Kobe.. It's all good, he deserved that shot.
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but then again, this is the first time i have watched kobe and the lakers play since the finals last year. and
There's your answer...Kobe is playing a team game more than ever...Check out his average assists per game.
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LOL, then what woulda' been a better shot than that, Mr. NBA analyst?
A 2 points shot. ;)
With 3 seconds remaining? I don't think so...
Why not? I mean in Europe they prefeer to make another OT rather than doing the thing everybody is expecting.. done by the guy everybody is doubling.. In fact they doubled Kobe and Kobe shot from 3pts. Like everybody was expecting. And he didnt have enought balance when he shot. But i understand in the NBA they usually play to make the last WINNING shot rather than a 2 points play.
The paint was being guarded, so there was no way to throw the ball into the painted area without having it deflected, and it takes a lot more than 3 seconds to drive the ball in and get a nice look at a lay-up...Kobe took the best shot possible, and that's probably the play Tomjonavich drew out...This isn't Europe, buddy.
No, it's not that the paint was guarded. It's that, like you said, both Kobe & Rudy T wanted Kobe to shot from 3pts. It wasnt an European game, I know. But i aint blaming Kobe.. It's all good, he deserved that shot.
Bottom line, there's no way to get the ball into the paint for a lay-up without taking a huge risk.
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uhhh shaq hasnt proved shit without Kobe on his team. he has no finals games wins w/out Kobe. so how could u call shaq a "winner" and kobe a "loser?" not real good logic
Because I have always believed that Shaq was the reason for the wins and Kobe could have been replaced with about 7 or 8 different guys, while Shaq could have been replaced by only Duncan. The next couple years will show if I'm right or not.
and NIK, Kobe has never shown me anything outside of a few high light reel appearances to make me think he's anywhere near Bird yet.
You must not watch basketball...Without Kobe, there is no way the Lakers would've won 3 straight championships...NO WAY IN HELL...You gotta be one dumbass not to know that.
I feel if it were Shaq and T-Mac, Shaq and Iverson, Shaq and Francis, Shaq and Stockton, Shaq and Dirk, Shaq and Kidd, or even Shaq and Nash they would have won 3 championships in the last 6 years. I could name more if I wanted to think about it. Hell, even Shaq and Vince may have been able to pull it off. How many guys do you think could have replaced Shaq? Remember the game was built around the big man, and he was MVP in all three championships.
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if kobe is so great..why are the lakers medicore in a fight for the last play off spot...some of you kobe dickriders where saying b4 the season they would be contend for the west title...kobe is same thing as tmac was last year in orlando....thank god the jordan comparisons can stop now since we see now that kobe cant carry a team on his own and now we realize this was shaq's team that won the 3 titles and kobe was ala scottie pippen/james worthy/kevin mchale.
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lol...the lakers are in a fight for the 7th and 8th seeds...kobe doesnt make anyone better the way shaq does..the lakers fucked up...kobe = ball hog, dribbles 2 much, shoots 2 much...and doesnt get anyone else involved
Once again it's easy to reply to you with stats: KOBE RANKS #6 IN NBA IN ASSIST PER GAME (7.2)
The truth is that Miami is a better team than the Lakers (without George, Butler and Divac), that Wade and Eddie Jones are two very good players (i just loved Eddie.. like everyone but Shaq did, in L.A.), that Leattner helped them a lot from the bench, that they had 4 different players rotating and defending on Kobe, and that Riley is the best coach ever to make games for a Center (remember Kareem?).
On the other side, Rudy T doesnt even have a gamebook: he just gives the ball to Kobe and Kobe creates. On the other side, Lakers have no decent players coming from the bench. And yesterday they started with Atkins, Mihm and Jumaine Jones. 3 decent back-up players, but nothing more. And if you consider the bench players were even worse......
I think you all disrespect Kobe too much. Yesterday Kobe did a great game, Shaq a pretty good (but nothing special) game. Yesterday Kobe did the last shot to win the game, while Shaq was so dumb to make a stupid foul against Kobe (his 6th) letting his team without him for the 4th quarter and the OT.
And, the last thing, you care too much about Kobe and Shaq. Or Jordan and Pippen. But remember a good supporting cast is fundamental: players like Horace Grant, Rodman, Harper, Paxon, Kerr, Horry, Fisher, Fox, Shaw, etc.. deserves the ring just like Kobe & Shaq. Cause it's a basketball TEAM, that's not tennis or golf.
So please, give it up with that random nonsense shit..
Lakers are in a fight for the 7th and 8th seeds..? Does it mean Miami did a wonderful game and Shaq dominated? Or viceversa?
easy reply...kobe dominates the ball... someone has to fill up the stat sheet on an average team...key stat...look at the lakers record
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if kobe is so great..why are the lakers medicore in a fight for the last play off spot...some of you kobe dickriders where saying b4 the season they would be contend for the west title...kobe is same thing as tmac was last year in orlando....thank god the jordan comparisons can stop now since we see now that kobe cant carry a team on his own and now we realize this was shaq's team that won the 3 titles and kobe was ala scottie pippen/james worthy/kevin mchale.
what's with the Kobe hate. Did he beat up your dad, or rape you moms. Calling people Kobe dickriders when you the one on his jock. Peep game, Kobe has his game, and Shaq has his, and together they were the best one-two combo in the NBA. It's over now, like all good things, and now it's time for both to move on. In life, this happens all the time, and both want to move on now that the game is over. I think we should repect this, get off their dicks, and let the NBA season move on into the All-Star game and then playoffs.
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Bottom line, there's no way to get the ball into the paint for a lay-up without taking a huge risk.
Are you from Israel? If so, Maccabi Tel Aviv is probably the best team in Europe doing it. It's not harder than shooting with a balanced shot from 3pts with the man everybody is expecting to make that shot, trust me. European coaches doesnt write just 1 game, but they always have 2-3 options for the last shot. And if somebody is doubled, there's another one totally free. Kobe had to watch him and give him the ball. You gotta make a lot of pratice, but you can do it. I "study" those situations since i play in a team, here in Italy. Remember Fisher's 0.4 seconds left shot? Well, that was an "European" game, with Fisher being the 3rd option.... 2nd options and 3rd options are as important as the 1st one. In the last Kobe shot, it looks like Kobe was the 1st, the 2nd and the 3rd option, and that the 3pts shot was the only option at all, you know what i mean? I'm sure 7even does, since he's German, European like me, and since he probably watches more European basketball than you.
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if kobe is so great..why are the lakers medicore in a fight for the last play off spot...some of you kobe dickriders where saying b4 the season they would be contend for the west title...
Actually only Nik said it, not "some of you kobe dickriders"..
kobe is same thing as tmac was last year in orlando....thank god the jordan comparisons can stop now since we see now that kobe cant carry a team on his own and now we realize this was shaq's team that won the 3 titles and kobe was ala scottie pippen/james worthy/kevin mchale.
Jordan had Phil Jackson, Scottie Pippen, and a great supporting cast (ex. Harper, Kukoc, Rodman, Grant, Paxon, Kerr..)
Kobe has just Odom and a bunch of morons.. (Atkins, Mihm, J.Jones, Vujacic, T.Brown, Cook, Medvedenko.. all players i'm sure you've never seen playing before they signed to the Lakers..)
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lol...the lakers are in a fight for the 7th and 8th seeds...kobe doesnt make anyone better the way shaq does..the lakers fucked up...kobe = ball hog, dribbles 2 much, shoots 2 much...and doesnt get anyone else involved
Once again it's easy to reply to you with stats: KOBE RANKS #6 IN NBA IN ASSIST PER GAME (7.2)
The truth is that Miami is a better team than the Lakers (without George, Butler and Divac), that Wade and Eddie Jones are two very good players (i just loved Eddie.. like everyone but Shaq did, in L.A.), that Leattner helped them a lot from the bench, that they had 4 different players rotating and defending on Kobe, and that Riley is the best coach ever to make games for a Center (remember Kareem?).
On the other side, Rudy T doesnt even have a gamebook: he just gives the ball to Kobe and Kobe creates. On the other side, Lakers have no decent players coming from the bench. And yesterday they started with Atkins, Mihm and Jumaine Jones. 3 decent back-up players, but nothing more. And if you consider the bench players were even worse......
I think you all disrespect Kobe too much. Yesterday Kobe did a great game, Shaq a pretty good (but nothing special) game. Yesterday Kobe did the last shot to win the game, while Shaq was so dumb to make a stupid foul against Kobe (his 6th) letting his team without him for the 4th quarter and the OT.
And, the last thing, you care too much about Kobe and Shaq. Or Jordan and Pippen. But remember a good supporting cast is fundamental: players like Horace Grant, Rodman, Harper, Paxon, Kerr, Horry, Fisher, Fox, Shaw, etc.. deserves the ring just like Kobe & Shaq. Cause it's a basketball TEAM, that's not tennis or golf.
So please, give it up with that random nonsense shit..
Lakers are in a fight for the 7th and 8th seeds..? Does it mean Miami did a wonderful game and Shaq dominated? Or viceversa?
easy reply...kobe dominates the ball... someone has to fill up the stat sheet on an average team...key stat...look at the lakers record
Fuck a record. This topic is about ONE GAME. The one against Miami. Lakers played a great game without Butler, Divac and George. Miami, the wonderful team you all love, gotta thank Kobe cause he missed his 45th points shot.
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When you are at home, it is pretty likely you either make the lay-up/dunk or get 'fouled' and make them FTs. It's of course not 100% or something, but hey shooting a 3pt shot when everybody knows you're the one to do it after you havent scored for over 7 minutes isnt 100% sure to make it either, is it?
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When you are at home, it is pretty likely you either make the lay-up/dunk or get 'fouled' and make them FTs. It's of course not 100% or something, but hey shooting a 3pt shot when everybody knows you're the one to do it after you havent scored for over 7 minutes isnt 100% sure to make it either, is it?
Exactly. Lakers had an horrible OT, with Kobe passing the ball and the Lakers playing horrible.
They should have tied the game to try it again.
They were at home, and Miami was without Shaq.
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oh this never ending circle, arguing about kobe and shaq*yawn*