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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Your favorite posters favorite poster on June 27, 2011, 07:08:37 PM
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Can someone please explain this to me. Whats with the infatuation with this now defunct record label ? They had a nice 4 year run of success before their douche bag CEO Suge Knight ran it into the ground. For all the good music they did make, think of all the good music we lost out on because Suge Knight was a fucking douche bag that ran his record label like a street gang instead of a fucking RECORD LABEL. If Suge had realized he was a successful man and not a street punk maybe would of actually had the chronic 2, pac still alive, the doggfather with Dre on the boards instead of the snoozefest with no replay value that it was, and a Sam Sneed album. Yet I see people on this board worship Death Row, people with Death Row avatars and talking about Death Row like they've been relevant in the past 15 years. People talking about Suge Knight like he is worth a god damn. I remember years ago some poster in his mid 30's made a thread about how he went to NYC and wore a Suge Knight shirt, hoping to get some sought of reaction. First of all he said no even noticed and second of all, what type of fucking loser in his mid 30's wear a Suge Knight t-shirt, how fucking pathetic is that. And I wouldn't be surprised if most people in LA didn't pay any mind to a lame ass shirt like that on a lame ass person. So in conclusion, why do so many people here look up to Suge Knight. Once and for all I want a real answer. What the fuck gives ?
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Russel Simmons >>> Suge
Diddy >>> Suge
Jay-Z >>> Suge
CEO of Scitt Style Records >>> Suge
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Even after 2Pac dies, most these fools thought that Death Row was gonna resurrect the West Coast with such hitmakers like Kurupt, Crooked I and Spider Loc. :-\
And LOL @ that dude's story. Why would anyone in New York give a fuck about a Suge Knight shirt?
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Even after 2Pac dies, most these fools thought that Death Row was gonna resurrect the West Coast with such hitmakers like Kurupt, Crooked I and Spider Loc. :-\
And LOL @ that dude's story. Why would anyone in New York give a fuck about a Suge Knight shirt?
I think he still posts here but he really thought he was bad ass walking around mid town Manhattan wearing a Suge Knight shirt, because all us NY'ers still live in 1996 I suppose. Whats funny is the only person who noticed anything was some guy asking why he was wearing a Uncle Phil shirt.
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What's the infatuation with people complaining about Death Row years after the fact?
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What's the infatuation with people complaining about Death Row years after the fact?
Really ? Because we make so many anti Death Row threads
Fucking Moron
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What's the infatuation with people complaining about Death Row years after the fact?
Really ? Because we make so many anti Death Row threads
Fucking Moron
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What's the infatuation with people complaining about Death Row years after the fact?
Really ? Because we make so many anti Death Row threads
Fucking Moron
::)
Unless ya goin' answer the initial question, take ya L and get the fuck outta my thread
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What's the infatuation with people complaining about Death Row years after the fact?
Really ? Because we make so many anti Death Row threads
Fucking Moron
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Unless ya goin' answer the initial question, take ya L and get the fuck outta my thread
I took an L responding to this thread to begin with. Goes to show the quality of the posting in this forum.
Anyways, reason people talk about DR still is the what if factor. What if Pac didn't get shot? What if Dre didn't leave? What if Suge didn't go to jail? etc. Given where they were in '96 and where they were heading, who knows what the label could have become. That's why people still talk about the label. And the four Certified Hip-Hop Classics they dropped along with two of the best Hip-Hop Soundtracks ever released.
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Can someone please explain this to me. Whats with the infatuation with this now defunct record label ? They had a nice 4 year run of success before their douche bag CEO Suge Knight ran it into the ground. For all the good music they did make, think of all the good music we lost out on because Suge Knight was a fucking douche bag that ran his record label like a street gang instead of a fucking RECORD LABEL. If Suge had realized he was a successful man and not a street punk maybe would of actually had the chronic 2, pac still alive, the doggfather with Dre on the boards instead of the snoozefest with no replay value that it was, and a Sam Sneed album. Yet I see people on this board worship Death Row, people with Death Row avatars and talking about Death Row like they've been relevant in the past 15 years. People talking about Suge Knight like he is worth a god damn. I remember years ago some poster in his mid 30's made a thread about how he went to NYC and wore a Suge Knight shirt, hoping to get some sought of reaction. First of all he said no even noticed and second of all, what type of fucking loser in his mid 30's wear a Suge Knight t-shirt, how fucking pathetic is that. And I wouldn't be surprised if most people in LA didn't pay any mind to a lame ass shirt like that on a lame ass person. So in conclusion, why do so many people here look up to Suge Knight. Once and for all I want a real answer. What the fuck gives ?
Everything has it's beginnings, it's period of growth, climax, and fall, and then it's end. To put it simply, Death Row on the cover of the Source in the summer of 1996 (just one month after the historic Dre leaving Death Row cover), Suge Knight, Pac, and Snoop... represented the Climax of what I believe is the greatest American culture ever invented. Hip-Hop.
As the teacher KRS-1 puts it, hip-hop started out as an art form for poor people and disenfranchised people who didn't have money to buy instruments. In the beginning it was comprised of 4 somewhat equal elements, graffiti, DJ, breakin, and the rapper.
But the rappers rise to fame continued to build and ultimately eclipsed the other 3 elements. And also with the rise of the rapper at the same time it represented the rise of the black man's voice in America, that had been suppressed since the beginning of his journey in America, with the slave ships.
The rappers rise to prominence continued and was ultimately embodied in the figure of 2pac. Suge Knight and others like Snoop played key roles in all of it coming together and reaching it's climax in the summer of 96. The main players in all this were Dre, Suge, Snoop, and 2pac. With a supporting cast being the rest of the extended Death Row family, like the Dogg Pound, Johnny J, and even KC and Jo Jo and all the affiliates of Death Row. This represents the climax of the greatest culture in history.
...So this is why it is a big deal.
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Can someone please explain this to me. Whats with the infatuation with this now defunct record label ? They had a nice 4 year run of success before their douche bag CEO Suge Knight ran it into the ground. For all the good music they did make, think of all the good music we lost out on because Suge Knight was a fucking douche bag that ran his record label like a street gang instead of a fucking RECORD LABEL. If Suge had realized he was a successful man and not a street punk maybe would of actually had the chronic 2, pac still alive, the doggfather with Dre on the boards instead of the snoozefest with no replay value that it was, and a Sam Sneed album. Yet I see people on this board worship Death Row, people with Death Row avatars and talking about Death Row like they've been relevant in the past 15 years. People talking about Suge Knight like he is worth a god damn. I remember years ago some poster in his mid 30's made a thread about how he went to NYC and wore a Suge Knight shirt, hoping to get some sought of reaction. First of all he said no even noticed and second of all, what type of fucking loser in his mid 30's wear a Suge Knight t-shirt, how fucking pathetic is that. And I wouldn't be surprised if most people in LA didn't pay any mind to a lame ass shirt like that on a lame ass person. So in conclusion, why do so many people here look up to Suge Knight. Once and for all I want a real answer. What the fuck gives ?
Everything has it's beginnings, it's period of growth, climax, and fall, and then it's end. To put it simply, Death Row on the cover of the Source in the summer of 1996 (just one month after the historic Dre leaving Death Row cover), Suge Knight, Pac, and Snoop... represented the Climax of what I believe is the greatest American culture ever invented. Hip-Hop.
As the teacher KRS-1 puts it, hip-hop started out as an art form for poor people and disenfranchised people who didn't have money to buy instruments. In the beginning it was comprised of 4 somewhat equal elements, graffiti, DJ, breakin, and the rapper.
But the rappers rise to fame continued to build and ultimately eclipsed the other 3 elements. And also with the rise of the rapper at the same time it represented the rise of the black man's voice in America, that had been suppressed since the beginning of his journey in America, with the slave ships.
The rappers rise to prominence continued and was ultimately embodied in the figure of 2pac. Suge Knight and others like Snoop played key roles in all of it coming together and reaching it's climax in the summer of 96. The main players in all this were Dre, Suge, Snoop, and 2pac. With a supporting cast being the rest of the extended Death Row family, like the Dogg Pound, Johnny J, and even KC and Jo Jo and all the affiliates of Death Row. This represents the climax of the greatest culture in history.
...So this is why it is a big deal.
OK now can I get an answer from someone that doesn't have severe emotional issues ?
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What's the infatuation with people complaining about Death Row years after the fact?
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Everything has it's beginnings, it's period of growth, climax, and fall, and then it's end. To put it simply, Death Row on the cover of the Source in the summer of 1996 (just one month after the historic Dre leaving Death Row cover), Suge Knight, Pac, and Snoop... represented the Climax of what I believe is the greatest American culture ever invented. Hip-Hop.
As the teacher KRS-1 puts it, hip-hop started out as an art form for poor people and disenfranchised people who didn't have money to buy instruments. In the beginning it was comprised of 4 somewhat equal elements, graffiti, DJ, breakin, and the rapper.
But the rappers rise to fame continued to build and ultimately eclipsed the other 3 elements. And also with the rise of the rapper at the same time it represented the rise of the black man's voice in America, that had been suppressed since the beginning of his journey in America, with the slave ships.
The rappers rise to prominence continued and was ultimately embodied in the figure of 2pac. Suge Knight and others like Snoop played key roles in all of it coming together and reaching it's climax in the summer of 96. The main players in all this were Dre, Suge, Snoop, and 2pac. With a supporting cast being the rest of the extended Death Row family, like the Dogg Pound, Johnny J, and even KC and Jo Jo and all the affiliates of Death Row. This represents the climax of the greatest culture in history.
...So this is why it is a big deal.
Do you feel going on rants romanticizing hip hop makes you any less white?
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What's the infatuation with people complaining about Death Row years after the fact?
Really ? Because we make so many anti Death Row threads
Fucking Moron
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Unless ya goin' answer the initial question, take ya L and get the fuck outta my thread
I took an L responding to this thread to begin with. Goes to show the quality of the posting in this forum.
Anyways, reason people talk about DR still is the what if factor. What if Pac didn't get shot? What if Dre didn't leave? What if Suge didn't go to jail? etc. Given where they were in '96 and where they were heading, who knows what the label could have become. That's why people still talk about the label. And the four Certified Hip-Hop Classics they dropped along with two of the best Hip-Hop Soundtracks ever released.
That's pretty sad that what if is tied for what was actually accomplished. It's sad a man that arguably had hiphop in the palm of his hand threw it all away because he couldn't grow up. Yup that something that we should really focus on. Suge could of had a west coast Def Jam, instead he and his record label were a flash in the pan in the grand scheme of things. Suge doesn't deserve the love this place gives him. How come everyone here still acts like Suge Knight and Death Row are relevant ?
The fact is Suge had a four year run where he was fighting for the throne. He doesn't deserve the love he get here.
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OK now can I get an answer from someone that doesn't have severe emotional issues ?
I gave you the real answer. And the fact that you can't see it, and that you can't see that Pac was a rose that grew from the cracks of concrete, is regrettable.
...ibut if you want to know the reason why you don't see it, and why your soul doesn't seek it, you need to look inward. Because you can only find outside of you, what first exists within. It's like Arab poet Khalil Gibran writes in The Prophet... he writes about how his soul was striving to hear in words what he had always known in heart. And about music being the voice that couldn't be kept silent and couldn't be put into just (regular) words.
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What's the infatuation with people complaining about Death Row years after the fact?
I expected better out of you Hack.
Once again no infatuation, I just wanna know why so many people here dickride Death Row. I wanna know why so many of the lames here still think Suge and DR are relevant ? Instead of focusing on the upcoming westcoast acts so much is spent on this worthless piece of scum and his defunct record label. Hell the reason no one ever heard a peep for a while from ya boy Crooked was because the industry blackballed him because of his Suge ties. But you tools still dickride that 350 pounds piece of scum like his opinion and label have mattered some time in the past 15 years.
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Do you feel going on rants romanticizing hip hop makes you any less white?
no, but I do feel that your abbreviated intellect, and that your brief, narrow vision of the world prevents you from understanding the things that I say. Since your substance is weak you are stuck in the mud of bigotry, false pretense, and a retarded personal evolution.
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LMAO @ greatest culture in history being death row in 1996.
Shakespeare has nothing on hit em up!
Do you actually believe the retarded shit you write?
If so please gps your mouth to the nearest gun
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I find it disturbing that Infinite keeps using the word climax to describe West Coast hip hop. :-\
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What's the infatuation with people complaining about Death Row years after the fact?
I expected better out of you Hack.
Once again no infatuation, I just wanna know why so many people here dickride Death Row. I wanna know why so many of the lames here still think Suge and DR are relevant ? Instead of focusing on the upcoming westcoast acts so much is spent on this worthless piece of scum and his defunct record label. Hell the reason no one ever heard a peep for a while from ya boy Crooked was because the industry blackballed him because of his Suge ties. But you tools still dickride that 350 pounds piece of scum like his opinion and label have mattered some time in the past 15 years.
it seems like you are too preoccupied with what people are worrying about
why do Cowboy fans spend so much time thinking of the good ol' days? thats because they haven't had shit to be happy about in over a decade.
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OK now can I get an answer from someone that doesn't have severe emotional issues ?
I gave you the real answer. And the fact that you can't see it, and that you can't see that Pac was a rose that grew from the cracks of concrete, is regrettable.
...ibut if you want to know the reason why you don't see it, and why your soul doesn't seek it, you need to look inward. Because you can only find outside of you, what first exists within. It's like Arab poet Khalil Gibran writes in The Prophet... he writes about how his soul was striving to hear in words what he had always known in heart. And about music being the voice that couldn't be kept silent and couldn't be put into just (regular) words.
No you basically went on a tangent romanticizing 1996 and threw in your subjective opinion that Death Row was the peak of the hip hop culture. And over the past few years I have looked deeply inside me and thats why I don't look at a 25 year old male that got himself killed because of his ridiculous actions in the last few months of his life.
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To put it simply, Death Row on the cover of the Source in the summer of 1996 (just one month after the historic Dre leaving Death Row cover), Suge Knight, Pac, and Snoop... represented the Climax of what I believe is the greatest American culture ever invented. Hip-Hop.
Good lord. I love me some Dr. Dre and Tupac too but expand your fucking horizons, bro.
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To put it simply, Death Row on the cover of the Source in the summer of 1996 (just one month after the historic Dre leaving Death Row cover), Suge Knight, Pac, and Snoop... represented the Climax of what I believe is the greatest American culture ever invented. Hip-Hop.
Good lord. I love me some Dr. Dre and Tupac too but expand your fucking horizons, bro.
Exactly which point did I make that you consider to be incorrect?
1. That hip-hop is the greatest American culture ever invented?
2. That Death Row/Summer of 96 was the hieght/climax of rap music?
which is it?
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What's the infatuation with people complaining about Death Row years after the fact?
I expected better out of you Hack.
Once again no infatuation, I just wanna know why so many people here dickride Death Row. I wanna know why so many of the lames here still think Suge and DR are relevant ? Instead of focusing on the upcoming westcoast acts so much is spent on this worthless piece of scum and his defunct record label. Hell the reason no one ever heard a peep for a while from ya boy Crooked was because the industry blackballed him because of his Suge ties. But you tools still dickride that 350 pounds piece of scum like his opinion and label have mattered some time in the past 15 years.
it seems like you are too preoccupied with what people are worrying about
why do Cowboy fans spend so much time thinking of the good ol' days? thats because they haven't had shit to be happy about in over a decade.
Really, your best analogy is comparing a defunct record label that had a good four year run to a franchise with a very long history ? Really ?
And one thread from me, means I'm preoccupied with what people are worrying about ? Really ? So why even bother asking questions anymore ? Basically it sounds to me you guys realize how pathetic the adulation you have for Suge Knight is ? At least infinite tried to answer the question with his long winded rant about nothing.
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Exactly which point did I make that you consider to be incorrect?
1. That hip-hop is the greatest American culture ever invented?
2. That Death Row/Summer of 96 was the hieght/climax of rap music?
which is it?
You mean I only get to pick one?
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STOP THE FUCKIN PRESSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They make Suge Knight t-shirts?
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STOP THE FUCKIN PRESSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They make Suge Knight t-shirts?
looking to cop one? haha
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But on the real: I can see people made a big deal about it from '96 up until the early '00s. It was fresh in people's minds and made for an interesting story. That's why countless books and documentaries have been made off of that period of time. I would be a liar if I said I wasn't caught up in all the drama and shit that went down. I was like 12 years old during all that and couldn't believe what was going down. But that was fuckin 15 years ago. The entire discussion has been beaten to death. It's getting to the level of those creepy fucks who reenact the American Civil War once a year.
Still, it beats other recent discussions like Dre's comfort level and who knits his skin tight sweaters.
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But on the real: I can see people made a big deal about it from '96 up until the early '00s. It was fresh in people's minds and made for an interesting story. That's why countless books and documentaries have been made off of that period of time. I would be a liar if I said I wasn't caught up in all the drama and shit that went down. I was like 12 years old during all that and couldn't believe what was going down. But that was fuckin 15 years ago. The entire discussion has been beaten to death. It's getting to the level of those creepy fucks who reenact the American Civil War once a year.
Still, it beats other recent discussions like Dre's comfort level and who knits his skin tight sweaters.
Exactly....it was interesting when it all went down. It was interesting a few years after the fact too. I can't lie, it was. But it stopped being interesting 10 years ago and DR and Suge haven't been relevant longer than that. And the older I got the more I realized what a fucking moron Suge was for losing what he had and losing it in such a short time. People here act like Suge is this mythical creature like the cyclops or a botoxless Orit but lets really look at what suge did.
1. Hung Vanilla Ice over a balcony
2. Forced his name onto the back of albums even though he didn't do a thing
3. Raped Sam Sneed
4. Got Pac killed
5. Lost everything
6. Takes pics with DUBCC members
He really didn't do much
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Death Row released its first record 19 years ago. As storied as the company is we still don't know all the inside details to what went on around there. We'll never truely get over death row and really who says we have to?
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Death Row released its first record 19 years ago. As storied as the company is we still don't know all the inside details to what went on around there. We'll never truely get over death row and really who says we have to?
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Nah, I disagree. We don't know all the little insignificant details, but we know all the important details.
STOP THE FUCKIN PRESSES!!!!!!!!!!!!!
They make Suge Knight t-shirts?
looking to cop one? haha
I'm not planning any trips to NY so no.
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Nah, I disagree. We don't know all the little insignificant details, but we know all the important details.
we still have no idea what is left in those vaults....Wideawake said in early 2009 that they had multiple Dre solo's with 2 vereses that he just never finished a 3rd verse to but they can never release it without his permission which he obviously hasn't gave them yet. then just imagine all the Pac we're yet to hear.
death row has enough classic unheard material to stay relevant for years if they weren't ran by a bunch of dumbass canucks.
look at groups like the Doors for example, they were together 5 whole years and are still played on radio stations every day. that's just one BAND, Death row was a whole label.
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LMAO @ greatest culture in history being death row in 1996.
Shakespeare has nothing on hit em up!
Do you actually believe the retarded shit you write?
If so please gps your mouth to the nearest gun
No.
First of all I said "greatest American culture" was hip-hop. Not that hip-hop was the greatest culture ever, anywhere in history (although you could make a case that it is, and maybe it is, but that's another subject). Nor did I say that Death Row was the greatest American culture. I just said that Pac was the embodiment of hip-hop culture and the element of rap reaching it's peek in the summer of 1996, and Death Row helped catapult Pac to the top.
Secondly, Shakespeare doesn't have shit on Hit Um Up. Shakespeare tried to write all these stories of love, death, betrayal, corruption.... shit... Pac was an embodiment of all the shit Shakespeare could only write about.
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SHAKESPEARE WAS A KNOWN HOMO
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So 2pac was an embodiment of homo love? :-X
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So 2pac was an embodiment of homo love? :-X
please don't ever confuse anything I type with Infinite
thank you
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Are we really comparing a playwright from the 17th century to a rapper from 1996?
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So 2pac was an embodiment of homo love? :-X
please don't ever confuse anything I type with Infinite
thank you
Apparently you can't read. Infinite said Shakespeare told tales of homo love, betrayal etc then wrote 2pac was an embodiment of what shakespeare wrote
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Are we really comparing a playwright from the 17th century to a rapper from 1996?
According to Brian thiers no comparison.
2pac>Shakespeare. LMAO
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hahaha
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According to Brian thiers no comparison.
2pac>Shakespeare. LMAO
Ahhh.. of course... now all you monkeys are going to come in and defend Shakespeare over 2pac, as if you've been spending your days reading Shakespeare novels rather than bumping 2pac's music for most your lives. That's called social proof and herd mentality when you monkeys defend something you don't really like just to fit in.
Once you monkeys learn who you are as people (which will never happen) you can stop being sheep in a herd and starting living lives of greater meaning and substance.
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LMAO You can't even compare them.
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And there's the rub.
The fact you would actually put 2pacs effect on culture above Shakespeare is not only mind boggingly stupid but always exposes the fact that you clearly don't know the difference between your own personal opinions and reality.
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LMAO You can't even compare them.
The Emperor has no clothes
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And there's the rub.
The fact you would actually put 2pacs effect on culture above Shakespeare is not only mind boggingly stupid but always exposes the fact that you clearly don't know the difference between your own personal opinions and reality.
The Emperor has no clothes
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The emperors new groove
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Once you monkeys learn who you are as people (which will never happen) you can stop being sheep in a herd and starting living lives of greater meaning and substance.
Looking at you it looks like listening to 2Pac won't get you far either...
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6. Takes pics with DUBCC members
LMFAO.
The emperors new groove
LMFAO!
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The emperors new groove
Dope cartoon.
And to clarify, when I say you can't compare Shakespeare to Pac, I don't mean it as one is better than the other. There really is no comparison between the two. Shakespeare has had the greater overall impact like that faggot jaydc said.
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What a retarded fucking argument.
Shakespeare has material that has been read for nearly half a millennium. Tupac's material hasn't been out for a full two decades yet.
Shakespeare's material was intended for all audiences. Tupac's was intended for gangstas going through struggles of the hood.
You cannot go through any education system without at least being presented two of Shakespeare's works to either read and/or write about. As for Pac, I can honestly say not a teacher in my lifetime has mentioned his name once.
Nobody has anything negative to say about Shakespeare other than he might of been gay. Not even 15 years past Pac's death & most of the genre has moved on...in America anyway.
Finally, if you went out & asked people at random, "Name me a famous writer", at least 90% would say Shakespeare. Ask "Name me a famous rapper" & you wouldn't even get 25% Pac.
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But on the real: I can see people made a big deal about it from '96 up until the early '00s. It was fresh in people's minds and made for an interesting story. That's why countless books and documentaries have been made off of that period of time. I would be a liar if I said I wasn't caught up in all the drama and shit that went down. I was like 12 years old during all that and couldn't believe what was going down. But that was fuckin 15 years ago. The entire discussion has been beaten to death. It's getting to the level of those creepy fucks who reenact the American Civil War once a year.
Still, it beats other recent discussions like Dre's comfort level and who knits his skin tight sweaters.
Not to mention records from the early/mid 90's still get great reactions in the clubs.
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What a retarded fucking argument.
Shakespeare has material that has been read for nearly half a millennium. Tupac's material hasn't been out for a full two decades yet.
Shakespeare's material was intended for all audiences. Tupac's was intended for gangstas going through struggles of the hood.
You cannot go through any education system without at least being presented two of Shakespeare's works to either read and/or write about. As for Pac, I can honestly say not a teacher in my lifetime has mentioned his name once.
Nobody has anything negative to say about Shakespeare other than he might of been gay. Not even 15 years past Pac's death & most of the genre has moved on...in America anyway.
Finally, if you went out & asked people at random, "Name me a famous writer", at least 90% would say Shakespeare. Ask "Name me a famous rapper" & you wouldn't even get 25% Pac.
Fuck that. See thats exactly the problem. Everybody on this forum (a west coast hip-hop forum keep in mind) is so damn eager to defend Shakespeares legacy...
And why? You say because your teacher in school taught you about Shakespeare and didnt teach you about Pac, LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
So you believe Shakespeare is great cause your public school teacher said so, your teacher believed Shakespeare was great because her teacher before that said so, and that teachers teacher taught her... and on down the line... yet here we are. A forum full of West Coast hiphop fans who grew up on Pac and aint ever gave a fuck about Shakespeare.
But being the worthless monkeys that you are instead of using your own brain you sheep follow the heard and defend Shakespeare for if not for social proof and herd mentality telling u how to live and how to believe you wouldnt know how to tie your shoes!
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Why you got to be so racist Brian. No need to call people monkeys.
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Brian please shut the fuck up you whack job. I want to know why so many people here worship Suge like he did anything besides occasionally stopping in the studio and have his name printed on the back of the album. This wasn't an avenue for verbally sucking Pac off.
But since you have hijacked this thread, why can't one be a fan of 2pac and Shakespeare ? As a matter of fact Brian, you do know in jailhourse interview when he got locked up for the rape charges, 2pac said he patterned his work after shakespeare. You did know that, right Brian ? You did know your hero was a fan of shakespeares work ? You did know that lil tidbit of information, right Brian ?
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As a matter of fact Jada Pinkett said Pac loved reading Shakespeare.
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Do you feel going on rants romanticizing hip hop makes you any less white?
no, but I do feel that your abbreviated intellect, and that your brief, narrow vision of the world prevents you from understanding the things that I say. Since your substance is weak you are stuck in the mud of bigotry, false pretense, and a retarded personal evolution.
LOL. WTF do you know about me? Just cause I don't have a man-crush on 2Pac, I am a bigot and and have a retarded personal evolution? From all the info you spilled about your life through threads and AIM, it is pretty clear that you are the bigot. Who is the one who has posted support of the ideas of white inferiority? Who is the one that blames the Jews for the problems of the world? Who is the one who makes ignorant statements like The Chronic being what Black people are like? You can take as many trips to Africa you like, you are still a cracker from Kansas City who will never experience what it's like being Black.
And as for retarded personal evolution, you are the one who is has arrested development. Aren't you in your 30s? You need to man up, accept that the peak era of West Coast hip hop is behind us and stop ignoring your son.
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The infatuation with Death Row Records is pretty easy to answer...
First though most regard Hip Hop being at it's best overall in the 90's (best meaning more competition, more personality, flair, individuality, character etc.) having far more timeless memorable hits to fill "compilations" you find released every week/month today, and as you mentioned - Death Row had a 4 year high run at being at the top at that specific period. They were right there at the top during it all... All the big names on there Snoop, Dre & 2Pac have (arguably) all their best known work on that label
Another reason is the gang of talent the label had in the 90's... All unique as well... Then look at cash money.. They all sound, look and act the same to me.. Death Row catered for a lot of different people.. gangsta rap (Chronic) Pop fans (doggystyle) MC fans (Kurupt on Dogg Food) R&B fans..
But the main reason I think a lot still hold it high even to this day is due to the activist role they kinda played in the industry in the mid 90s from the "white industry elite V the little street/hood label".. They started out as a label down with the streets, and they really did do a lot than others who bragged about their charitable work. They went against politicians, press, other industry leaders, rights activists, running electives and with the addition of 2Pac being thrown in amongst it all with all his roaring and shouting for free speech, and controversial political opinions, they were still releasing music with the middle finger, and not laying down to pressure despite Time Warner doing so... Then to the Kamikaze pre-end in 96 where there were killed/jailed Death Row people, to where it was finally black balled from the industry finally, at a time where Hip Hop was going stale kind of made Death Row as a brand look like a martyr, so anything remotely associated with it.. Artists signed, or repping it were usually given more props and support than they deserved due to that
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The infatuation with Death Row Records is pretty easy to answer...
First though most regard Hip Hop being at it's best overall in the 90's (best meaning more competition, more personality, flair, individuality, character etc.) having far more timeless memorable hits to fill "compilations" you find released every week/month today, and as you mentioned - Death Row had a 4 year high run at being at the top at that specific period. They were right there at the top during it all... All the big names on there Snoop, Dre & 2Pac have (arguably) all their best known work on that label
Another reason is the gang of talent the label had in the 90's... All unique as well... Then look at cash money.. They all sound, look and act the same to me.. Death Row catered for a lot of different people.. gangsta rap (Chronic) Pop fans (doggystyle) MC fans (Kurupt on Dogg Food) R&B fans..
But the main reason I think a lot still hold it high even to this day is due to the activist role they kinda played in the industry in the mid 90s from the "white industry elite V the little street/hood label".. They started out as a label down with the streets, and they really did do a lot than others who bragged about their charitable work. They went against politicians, press, other industry leaders, rights activists, running electives and with the addition of 2Pac being thrown in amongst it all with all his roaring and shouting for free speech, and controversial political opinions, they were still releasing music with the middle finger, and not laying down to pressure despite Time Warner doing so... Then to the Kamikaze pre-end in 96 where there were killed/jailed Death Row people, to where it was finally black balled from the industry finally, at a time where Hip Hop was going stale kind of made Death Row as a brand look like a martyr, so anything remotely associated with it.. Artists signed, or repping it were usually given more props and support than they deserved due to that
Its time to move on son. The music is timeless and no one debates that but the label has been dead for years and the former CEO was a degenerate piece of shit that gets love on the DUBCC like he invented the genre. And one more thing, how mant small street labels are backed by a rich jew like Iovine ?
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He's joking. I refuse to believe he's comparing a rapper and a guy whose work has stayed more relevant than anyone for 500 years.
It's like saying the iPad is a better invention than the wheel.
& maybe I missed one of his idiotic rants, but why is Pac better? Does this guy have a reason? Or is he just defending his father figure blindly?
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The infatuation with Death Row Records is pretty easy to answer...
First though most regard Hip Hop being at it's best overall in the 90's (best meaning more competition, more personality, flair, individuality, character etc.) having far more timeless memorable hits to fill "compilations" you find released every week/month today, and as you mentioned - Death Row had a 4 year high run at being at the top at that specific period. They were right there at the top during it all... All the big names on there Snoop, Dre & 2Pac have (arguably) all their best known work on that label
Another reason is the gang of talent the label had in the 90's... All unique as well... Then look at cash money.. They all sound, look and act the same to me.. Death Row catered for a lot of different people.. gangsta rap (Chronic) Pop fans (doggystyle) MC fans (Kurupt on Dogg Food) R&B fans..
But the main reason I think a lot still hold it high even to this day is due to the activist role they kinda played in the industry in the mid 90s from the "white industry elite V the little street/hood label".. They started out as a label down with the streets, and they really did do a lot than others who bragged about their charitable work. They went against politicians, press, other industry leaders, rights activists, running electives and with the addition of 2Pac being thrown in amongst it all with all his roaring and shouting for free speech, and controversial political opinions, they were still releasing music with the middle finger, and not laying down to pressure despite Time Warner doing so... Then to the Kamikaze pre-end in 96 where there were killed/jailed Death Row people, to where it was finally black balled from the industry finally, at a time where Hip Hop was going stale kind of made Death Row as a brand look like a martyr, so anything remotely associated with it.. Artists signed, or repping it were usually given more props and support than they deserved due to that
Makes a lot of sense to me.
It just seems like around here people keep bringing up that era in time as if it's gonna happen all over again when the "west is back on top". People need to realize that even if the west were ever to become the epicenter of hip hop again, it wouldn't be anything like that. The Death Row/1996 era is dead and gone. I loved it as well because that's around the time I was growing up and coming into my own. But even I realize it's cool to look back at that moment with nostalgia, but you gotta move on to the next generation and support them. It's getting better, but I don't see a lot of that on here.
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Pac was an art student so of course he enjoyed Shakespeare's work. He could probably recite shit like MacBeth and Midsummer's Night Dream from memory.
And I'm sure as hell not gonna compare Shakespeare and 2pac's work because that's just ridiculous. It's apples to oranges. When comparing their overall impact though, 2pac can't compare to Shakespeare. No teacher told me this, all you gotta do is look at the timeline and its clear like Cham said. I never cared for Shakespeare's work myself, but the guy was very innovative during his time. Even today, elements of his work are played out in movies and modern plays.
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I feel embarrassed for a lot of posters here.
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What a retarded fucking argument.
Shakespeare has material that has been read for nearly half a millennium. Tupac's material hasn't been out for a full two decades yet.
Shakespeare's material was intended for all audiences. Tupac's was intended for gangstas going through struggles of the hood.
You cannot go through any education system without at least being presented two of Shakespeare's works to either read and/or write about. As for Pac, I can honestly say not a teacher in my lifetime has mentioned his name once.
Nobody has anything negative to say about Shakespeare other than he might of been gay. Not even 15 years past Pac's death & most of the genre has moved on...in America anyway.
Finally, if you went out & asked people at random, "Name me a famous writer", at least 90% would say Shakespeare. Ask "Name me a famous rapper" & you wouldn't even get 25% Pac.
Fuck that. See thats exactly the problem. Everybody on this forum (a west coast hip-hop forum keep in mind) is so damn eager to defend Shakespeares legacy...
And why? You say because your teacher in school taught you about Shakespeare and didnt teach you about Pac, LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
So you believe Shakespeare is great cause your public school teacher said so, your teacher believed Shakespeare was great because her teacher before that said so, and that teachers teacher taught her... and on down the line... yet here we are. A forum full of West Coast hiphop fans who grew up on Pac and aint ever gave a fuck about Shakespeare.
But being the worthless monkeys that you are instead of using your own brain you sheep follow the heard and defend Shakespeare for if not for social proof and herd mentality telling u how to live and how to believe you wouldnt know how to tie your shoes!
You just can't realize how stupid you are....tupac advanced one aspect of a small style of music. Shakespeare advanced a whole language and theater forward. There is a reason he still admired today....ask how many people not jerking it to this board 400 years from now who tupac is....hes not even the best in his small genre of music. You really are one dumb son of a bitch.
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Infinite is the same dude that said Dr. Dre was a better musician than Beethoven and Mozart.
Take that for what you will.
Infinite just hates being White so much he overhype any form of Black culture to try to make up for it.
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Infinite is the same dude that said Dr. Dre was a better musician than Beethoven and Mozart.
Take that for what you will.
Infinite just hates being White so much he overhype any form of Black culture to try to make up for it.
Truth
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Infinite is the same dude that said Dr. Dre was a better musician than Beethoven and Mozart.
LOL, stop...
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I think we crushed Brians world with the Pac/Shakespeare revelation
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I feel embarrassed for a lot of posters here.
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Can someone please explain this to me. Whats with the infatuation with this now defunct record label ? They had a nice 4 year run of success before their douche bag CEO Suge Knight ran it into the ground. For all the good music they did make, think of all the good music we lost out on because Suge Knight was a fucking douche bag that ran his record label like a street gang instead of a fucking RECORD LABEL. If Suge had realized he was a successful man and not a street punk maybe would of actually had the chronic 2, pac still alive, the doggfather with Dre on the boards instead of the snoozefest with no replay value that it was, and a Sam Sneed album. Yet I see people on this board worship Death Row, people with Death Row avatars and talking about Death Row like they've been relevant in the past 15 years. People talking about Suge Knight like he is worth a god damn. I remember years ago some poster in his mid 30's made a thread about how he went to NYC and wore a Suge Knight shirt, hoping to get some sought of reaction. First of all he said no even noticed and second of all, what type of fucking loser in his mid 30's wear a Suge Knight t-shirt, how fucking pathetic is that. And I wouldn't be surprised if most people in LA didn't pay any mind to a lame ass shirt like that on a lame ass person. So in conclusion, why do so many people here look up to Suge Knight. Once and for all I want a real answer. What the fuck gives ?
i agree with you about suge knight, i think the worshipping is sick.
i remember the topic about the t shirt, that was weird indeed
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The emperors new groove
Dope cartoon.
Emperors New Groove >>> Shakespeare
There, I said it.
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From when I signed on here years ago, to now, the board has always been in love with Death Row and refuse to let it go. A lot of the posters remind me of those High School jocks sitting at home 10 years later talking about how great they WERE. Unable to move on because they've lost touch with reality. All the posters who sit and listen to everything Death Row related make me laugh. Save for Chronic, Doggystle, Murder Was The Case, Dogg Food, Above The Rim, All Eyez On Me, Makaveli, Revenge..., nothing else Death Row made was good. Nothing. Any artist outside of those albums who attempted at making an album or who were even just working with the label, except for Crooked I, was wack or simply decent at best. But plenty of posters on here are in love with these obscure artists who have really made no positive impact on the Rap game, the West Coast or even the history of Death Row Records itself. That's word to the Realest, Lil C'Style, Swoop G, OFTB, Mac Shawn, K-9 etc. etc. These were all masterful artists. ::)
It's been 13 or 14 years since the last good product from Death Row which means it's been time to move on for many years. Yes, the label produced some classic albums, but we can't sit here and dwell on it any longer. Every Coast and region has moved on. We need to do the same.
I'll slip back into reality again and check this shit in a month or so to see the upset posters.
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I agree with the infatuation part of the post but I see nothing wrong with still listening to the music from the Death Row era. I mean people still listen to the Beatles, don't they?
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I agree with the infatuation part of the post but I see nothing wrong with still listening to the music from the Death Row era. I mean people still listen to the Beatles, don't they?
Yet no one is still waiting for John Lennon's next album to drop.
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What a retarded fucking argument.
Shakespeare has material that has been read for nearly half a millennium. Tupac's material hasn't been out for a full two decades yet.
Shakespeare's material was intended for all audiences. Tupac's was intended for gangstas going through struggles of the hood.
You cannot go through any education system without at least being presented two of Shakespeare's works to either read and/or write about. As for Pac, I can honestly say not a teacher in my lifetime has mentioned his name once.
Nobody has anything negative to say about Shakespeare other than he might of been gay. Not even 15 years past Pac's death & most of the genre has moved on...in America anyway.
Finally, if you went out & asked people at random, "Name me a famous writer", at least 90% would say Shakespeare. Ask "Name me a famous rapper" & you wouldn't even get 25% Pac.
Fuck that. See thats exactly the problem. Everybody on this forum (a west coast hip-hop forum keep in mind) is so damn eager to defend Shakespeares legacy...
And why? You say because your teacher in school taught you about Shakespeare and didnt teach you about Pac, LOLOLOLOLOLOL!
So you believe Shakespeare is great cause your public school teacher said so, your teacher believed Shakespeare was great because her teacher before that said so, and that teachers teacher taught her... and on down the line... yet here we are. A forum full of West Coast hiphop fans who grew up on Pac and aint ever gave a fuck about Shakespeare.
But being the worthless monkeys that you are instead of using your own brain you sheep follow the heard and defend Shakespeare for if not for social proof and herd mentality telling u how to live and how to believe you wouldnt know how to tie your shoes!
If everyone on a West Coast hip hop forum is telling you that Shakesphere was better than 2Pac, doesn't that say something?
Of course not, because everybody but you is brainwashed. Grow the fuck up, Infant.
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Why you got to be so racist Brian. No need to call people monkeys.
Seriously. And he calls me a bigot.
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LOL. WTF do you know about me? Just cause I don't have a man-crush on 2Pac, I am a bigot and and have a retarded personal evolution? From all the info you spilled about your life through threads and AIM, it is pretty clear that you are the bigot. Who is the one who has posted support of the ideas of white inferiority? Who is the one that blames the Jews for the problems of the world? Who is the one who makes ignorant statements like The Chronic being what Black people are like? You can take as many trips to Africa you like, you are still a cracker from Kansas City who will never experience what it's like being Black.
And as for retarded personal evolution, you are the one who is has arrested development. Aren't you in your 30s? You need to man up, accept that the peak era of West Coast hip hop is behind us and stop ignoring your son.
wow... just about everything you just said is a lie.
So Jews are behind every problem in the world? I never said that. And my best homie at the forum is a Jew named Sccit.
The Chronic shows what black people are like? LOL... your gonna believe Tom, just cause he said I said that? In that case he told me on AIM he is a faggot and dresses in womens clothes. Do you believe that?
Im in my 30's? No, actually Im still in my 20's.
White people are inferior to blacks? I'm not gonna lie and say everyones equal. And in the past I may of said something like that. But overall I think you'd have to say every race has some areas they excell in and some areas they fall behind in and that theirs exceptions to every rule.
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I agree with the infatuation part of the post but I see nothing wrong with still listening to the music from the Death Row era. I mean people still listen to the Beatles, don't they?
yes
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The Beatles comparison does actually bring up a great point that shits on the thread-starters premise.
Why are whites in Rock-n-Roll allowed to have their legends live on, like the Beatles or Elvis Presley? But you have a problem with the legends of hip-hop, and the dynasty of Death Row living on?
...this is nothing new in music and art. Look at how people still revere Bob Marley all over the world. He's even considered a Rastafarian Prophet to many. Some music and art actually becomes more valuable with time. Look at Van Gogh, an artist who helped inspire Pac's whole career. I wouldn't be surprised if in 3000 there is a huge Pac resurgence and he becomes the #1 artist in the world all over again. I mean, why shouldn't hip-hop have it's hero's like every other genre of music. This is why Chuck D was spreading around the myth that Pac had faked his death shortly after Pac's murder. Because Chuck D understood that if whites could have Elvis live, why couldn't blacks have 2pac sightings?
I find it laughable that you guys have grown up and listening to Death Row and Death Row affiliate artists all your life and spent 10 years on a forum talking about them; yet you want to be the first to reject them. With friends like you guys who neeeds enemies? What it all boils down to is you guys being pieces of shit and wanting to bring everything down to your level.
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I mean I know your lives have all been impacted so much by Shakespeare, really, I'm surprised you guys even post here, I mean I'm sure their are forums and spots on the net where you guys can post about Shakespeare and Mozart since their legacy has so greatly formed and impacted your lives.
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LOL. WTF do you know about me? Just cause I don't have a man-crush on 2Pac, I am a bigot and and have a retarded personal evolution? From all the info you spilled about your life through threads and AIM, it is pretty clear that you are the bigot. Who is the one who has posted support of the ideas of white inferiority? Who is the one that blames the Jews for the problems of the world? Who is the one who makes ignorant statements like The Chronic being what Black people are like? You can take as many trips to Africa you like, you are still a cracker from Kansas City who will never experience what it's like being Black.
And as for retarded personal evolution, you are the one who is has arrested development. Aren't you in your 30s? You need to man up, accept that the peak era of West Coast hip hop is behind us and stop ignoring your son.
wow... just about everything you just said is a lie.
So Jews are behind every problem in the world? I never said that. And my best homie at the forum is a Jew named Sccit.
The Chronic shows what black people are like? LOL... your gonna believe Tom, just cause he said I said that? In that case he told me on AIM he is a faggot and dresses in womens clothes. Do you believe that?
Im in my 30's? No, actually Im still in my 20's.
White people are inferior to blacks? I'm not gonna lie and say everyones equal. And in the past I may of said something like that. But overall I think you'd have to say every race has some areas they excell in and some areas they fall behind in and that theirs exceptions to every rule.
Actually Brian you did tell me that on AIM several years ago, I was maybe a year removed out of high school. I distinctly remember the convo because I remember asking you from listening to Nas what do you assume QB housing projects is like and you said they make it sound like a giant block party. I mentioned QB because you said the Chronic was a accurate description of a black man in America. And I used QB as an example to not believe everything you hear. Everything I say about you is the truth Brian, maybe I exaggerate here and there. But did you not tell me at one point your ex father in law thought you were a dead beat because you were having trouble supporting you son and holding down a job. Was it not you just a couple of years ago that failed as a cross road trucker and had your father bail you out once again, thats what you told me Brian. I won't lie Bri, I have exaggerated some truths about you. I admit that 100%. But every exaggeration was started from a seed you planted. And now Brian you can come here and deny all that and everyone here will basically have to side with my word or your word and to be honest I could care less who believe who but I know what you told me in the past
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No one is shitting on the music that was produced by death row between 92-96, jesus fucking christ you guys are fucking morons. I even stated elsewhere in this thread that music was timeless. Do you guys fucking read at all
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The Beatles comparison does actually bring up a great point that shits on the thread-starters premise.
Why are whites in Rock-n-Roll allowed to have their legends live on, like the Beatles or Elvis Presley? But you have a problem with the legends of hip-hop, and the dynasty of Death Row living on?
...this is nothing new in music and art. Look at how people still revere Bob Marley all over the world. He's even considered a Rastafarian Prophet to many. Some music and art actually becomes more valuable with time. Look at Van Gogh, an artist who helped inspire Pac's whole career. I wouldn't be surprised if in 3000 there is a huge Pac resurgence and he becomes the #1 artist in the world all over again. I mean, why shouldn't hip-hop have it's hero's like every other genre of music. This is why Chuck D was spreading around the myth that Pac had faked his death shortly after Pac's murder. Because Chuck D understood that if whites could have Elvis live, why couldn't blacks have 2pac sightings?
I find it laughable that you guys have grown up and listening to Death Row and Death Row affiliate artists all your life and spent 10 years on a forum talking about them; yet you want to be the first to reject them. With friends like you guys who neeeds enemies? What it all boils down to is you guys being pieces of shit and wanting to bring everything down to your level.
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I mean I know your lives have all been impacted so much by Shakespeare, really, I'm surprised you guys even post here, I mean I'm sure their are forums and spots on the net where you guys can post about Shakespeare and Mozart since their legacy has so greatly formed and impacted your lives.
Jesus fucking christ this isn't even about Shakespeare and Pac. But since you won't get off that how does it feel to know you hero looked up to Shakespeare and even crafted his work after Shakespeares ? And once again shitbrick, NO WHERE IN THIS THREAD DID ANYONE SHIT ON DEATH ROWS MUSIC YOU DELUSIONAL PIECE OF SHIT.
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Seriously, who said you shouldn't listen to music from the Death Row era?
I know y'all aren't illiterate. Seems like y'all will do anything to change the topic at hand.
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The Beatles comparison does actually bring up a great point that shits on the thread-starters premise.
Why are whites in Rock-n-Roll allowed to have their legends live on, like the Beatles or Elvis Presley? But you have a problem with the legends of hip-hop, and the dynasty of Death Row living on?
...this is nothing new in music and art. Look at how people still revere Bob Marley all over the world. He's even considered a Rastafarian Prophet to many. Some music and art actually becomes more valuable with time. Look at Van Gogh, an artist who helped inspire Pac's whole career. I wouldn't be surprised if in 3000 there is a huge Pac resurgence and he becomes the #1 artist in the world all over again. I mean, why shouldn't hip-hop have it's hero's like every other genre of music. This is why Chuck D was spreading around the myth that Pac had faked his death shortly after Pac's murder. Because Chuck D understood that if whites could have Elvis live, why couldn't blacks have 2pac sightings?
I find it laughable that you guys have grown up and listening to Death Row and Death Row affiliate artists all your life and spent 10 years on a forum talking about them; yet you want to be the first to reject them. With friends like you guys who neeeds enemies? What it all boils down to is you guys being pieces of shit and wanting to bring everything down to your level.
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I mean I know your lives have all been impacted so much by Shakespeare, really, I'm surprised you guys even post here, I mean I'm sure their are forums and spots on the net where you guys can post about Shakespeare and Mozart since their legacy has so greatly formed and impacted your lives.
Beatles are a group of artists. Death Row is a record label. A defunct record label. In regards to the white-black/Tupac-Elvis alive thing. I'm for all it on a basic level in terms of legacy but I would roll my eyes at any grown person who suggested that either is actually alive. The problem is how redudant and uninteresting it has made the board for the last 3 or so years. It's either Dr. Dre, 2Pac, or artists they've directly worked with or signed. We're not even talking six degrees. And that's fine if people want to be "obsessed fan-boys" but it's a little crazy how they think it's more dignified than a twelve-year-old girl with Britney Spears or Justin Bieber posters on her wall. Either way, you're obsessed.
I love Dr. Dre and Tupac's music. I love Marvin Gaye shit. I love all kinds of music. However, I'm not out here trying to call it "the greatest music of any time".
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No one is shitting on the music that was produced by death row between 92-96, jesus fucking christ you guys are fucking morons. I even stated elsewhere in this thread that music was timeless. Do you guys fucking read at all
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I feel embarrassed for a lot of posters here.
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Actually Brian you did tell me that on AIM several years ago, I was maybe a year removed out of high school. I distinctly remember the convo because I remember asking you from listening to Nas what do you assume QB housing projects is like and you said they make it sound like a giant block party. I mentioned QB because you said the Chronic was a accurate description of a black man in America. And I used QB as an example to not believe everything you hear. Everything I say about you is the truth Brian, maybe I exaggerate here and there. But did you not tell me at one point your ex father in law thought you were a dead beat because you were having trouble supporting you son and holding down a job. Was it not you just a couple of years ago that failed as a cross road trucker and had your father bail you out once again, thats what you told me Brian. I won't lie Bri, I have exaggerated some truths about you. I admit that 100%. But every exaggeration was started from a seed you planted. And now Brian you can come here and deny all that and everyone here will basically have to side with my word or your word and to be honest I could care less who believe who but I know what you told me in the past
Atleast you admit to exaggeration. So why dont you try using my words exactly instead of stretching them into something else.
Saying I pictured Queensbridge as a block party somehow turned into... "Infinite says the Chronic is an accurate representation of black people".
Saying that I got stuck at the end of trucking school and had to get a loan from my dad to finish (which I paid back) turned into.... "Infinites Dad pays for everything for Infinite and Infinite hates his dad, and Infinite is a failure and so on"
And saying that my father in law doesn't think I do enough turned into.... "Infinites a dead beat Dad".
I remember all our convos Tom. I know exactly what was said and what the intended meaning was, and what the context was. I think you may know it too yourself, but your blinded by your desire to shit on any and everybody in an effort to bring people down to your level, cause thats what lowlife white trash people do.
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Brian the I used QB as an example because you said yourself "The Chronic is an accurate description of the black man in America". As a matter of fact I think you may of even said it yourself on this very board. As for calling you a failure, where am I wrong ? How many occupations have you tried and failed at ? I know you have told me several of them the two most notable were truck driver and nurse. But you have always cried the blues about it or at least last time we spoke you did. About you being a deadbeat, a few weeks after you told me your ex father in law said you were basically a deadbeat and in your own words you said you were having finacial problems you came here talking about you're going on a trip to Africa. C'mon son cut the bullshit, you yourself said your having finacial troubles and trouble supporting your son but you got the money for a month long trip to Africa. That's some deadbeat Dad bullshit no matter how you try and twist it. About your Dad still paying for your ass. You said it yourself he gave you a loan to help pay for it. He also bailed your ass out when you failed as a trucker. Which is kinda funny because you used to come on here talking about how truckers are red neck morons yet you failed as a trucker. But as of the last time we spoke on aim which I do admit was a while ago, you yourself said you Dad was still pauing your car insurance and phone bill. And about you hating your dad, you never actually said but when you were going through your entire I'm better than you because I'm muslim phase you said your Dad was trying to reach out to you, trying to get a better understanding of you and islam. But you said you weren't having that. You used to bitch all the time about how your Dad thought throwing money at you would fix the problem. You would bitch about how your Dad liked to drink a little too much instead of dealing with family issues. Yea you never said you hate your Dad but it was strongly implied. Brian, these were your words, not mine words or anyone elses.
And Brian, for the records I've told you why I exposed you like this and it had nothing to do with me trying to tear people down to my level, or your friendship with NIK, or our differing beliefs. It was beacus of your holier than thou attitude. That with all your issues and troubles you still came here talking about how your a better person because you only listened to a certain type of music, or you didn't watch porn, or because you're an islamic libertarian. That's why I do what I do to you Brian. To be honest I never had any intention of exposing you like this. As a matter of fact when you had your son I thought you had actually changed and grown up. It seemed like you had finally startted to respect others for their different views, opinions, and moral codes. Remember when I told you "that's a beautiful thing" when you spoke of your son and how much he made you change the way you viewed things ? But you still came on here with your holier than thou attitude even though your just as big a piece a shit as the rest of us. But I know you're goin' spin this some how Brian or only read and hear what you want because your that hypocritical and your that self absorbed.
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Brian the I used QB as an example because you said yourself "The Chronic is an accurate description of the black man in America". As a matter of fact I think you may of even said it yourself on this very board. As for calling you a failure, where am I wrong ? How many occupations have you tried and failed at ? I know you have told me several of them the two most notable were truck driver and nurse. But you have always cried the blues about it or at least last time we spoke you did. About you being a deadbeat, a few weeks after you told me your ex father in law said you were basically a deadbeat and in your own words you said you were having finacial problems you came here talking about you're going on a trip to Africa. C'mon son cut the bullshit, you yourself said your having finacial troubles and trouble supporting your son but you got the money for a month long trip to Africa. That's some deadbeat Dad bullshit no matter how you try and twist it. About your Dad still paying for your ass. You said it yourself he gave you a loan to help pay for it. He also bailed your ass out when you failed as a trucker. Which is kinda funny because you used to come on here talking about how truckers are red neck morons yet you failed as a trucker. But as of the last time we spoke on aim which I do admit was a while ago, you yourself said you Dad was still pauing your car insurance and phone bill. And about you hating your dad, you never actually said but when you were going through your entire I'm better than you because I'm muslim phase you said your Dad was trying to reach out to you, trying to get a better understanding of you and islam. But you said you weren't having that. You used to bitch all the time about how your Dad thought throwing money at you would fix the problem. You would bitch about how your Dad liked to drink a little too much instead of dealing with family issues. Yea you never said you hate your Dad but it was strongly implied. Brian, these were your words, not mine words or anyone elses.
And Brian, for the records I've told you why I exposed you like this and it had nothing to do with me trying to tear people down to my level, or your friendship with NIK, or our differing beliefs. It was beacus of your holier than thou attitude. That with all your issues and troubles you still came here talking about how your a better person because you only listened to a certain type of music, or you didn't watch porn, or because you're an islamic libertarian. That's why I do what I do to you Brian. To be honest I never had any intention of exposing you like this. As a matter of fact when you had your son I thought you had actually changed and grown up. It seemed like you had finally startted to respect others for their different views, opinions, and moral codes. Remember when I told you "that's a beautiful thing" when you spoke of your son and how much he made you change the way you viewed things ? But you still came on here with your holier than thou attitude even though your just as big a piece a shit as the rest of us. But I know you're goin' spin this some how Brian or only read and hear what you want because your that hypocritical and your that self absorbed.
Man, you really love to twist shit from 4 year old AIM conversations. Which by the way I was taking you as a friend in those convo's so this is the ultimate bitch move to take my words from 4 year old AIM convo's when we were cool with each other. Shows what a piece of shit you are. I wouldn't even think about doing shit like that.
-Wow, that was so funny you said my dad was paying my cell phone and car insurance bills in 2007!!! LMAO!!! Now that part wasn't even twisting truth that is just straight fucking made up shit. I've been paying car insurance for myself since atleast 2003, with no changes to that, and cell phone bills since atleast 2003 or well before. Also the part about my son making me change my life and the way I viewed the world, sounds nice in theory, but I think you projected that onto me, cause I don't recall experiencing that or reporting that to you. Maybe you said something in AIM convo like, "Yo that's dope you got a son, makes you see the world different", and maybe I elaborated just feeding off of your vibe, but that would of had to of come from you. Nothing against my son, but the path I'm on hasn't been significantly altered by him. And if that sounds bad to you being an arm-chair father that you are, then so be it. I'm keepin it real.
-Again, I've explained many times before. But let me explain my financial situation for the record, and everything I say here is consistent with all our AIM convo's. Try and deny that this isn't...
...Basically, I ain't shy about mentioning where my parents had money and where my parents helped me. Especially not today, I may of been way naive when I was younger not wanting my parents money, but now I know just how difficult it is out there, and you have to take every advantage you can get. That is part of what life is about is going with what works and exploiting opportunities. So I'm not shy to say I grew up upper middle class and in a white suburban neighborhood. I also had a hell of a lot of money from my family to go to college with after highschool or spend else where as long as I made a half-ass case to them for why I needed the money. But I was extremely naive when I was 18 years old, and I honestly didn't want any of my parents money and I actually tried to get emancipated legally from my parents and so on. I moved out on my own, and in my mind I was living on my own, but i admit that in reality I was steady getting money to get me out of jams all along. This really lasted almost all the way up until 2006 all that college/post highschool money ran out completely.
-So my family money may have helped me go to California back in 2002, but it was actually some Muslims in Cali that helped me go to Hajj, and loaned me that money financially. But my trip in 03' to Oman and the Emirates was certainly helped by that family money.
-Then by the end of 2006 I had ran out of my family money after one final trip to the Arab Gulf. This was the same trip that I had the mental, emotional, spiritual breakdown on and so forth. When I came back to America all the family money had ran out, and even my parents were retired and had lost their whole savings in Lucent stock, and were just living on pensions and social security.
-So anything 2007 and on is my own money, and my own sweat. When I went to Africa the first time I had no credit card. So I got in a jam and started calling people in America and 3 people loaned me money to get me by that first trip to Africa. One of them was my mom, only like 500 dollars. When I returned back to America I immediately entered trucking school and was sponsored by a trucking company. Then halfway through the school they found out about some traffic tickets and dropped me. So my father paid for the rest of the class with a credit card and I paid him back throughout the year.
-My trips to Africa in 08 and 10'/11 by that time I had a credit card so there has been no need to try and borrow money from anybody, I just use a credit card when I'm in a jam and pay it back later.
-Bottom line, in situations where I've gotten money from my parents I will admit it, because I don't see any reason to be ashamed of it. But I just don't like having the shit that I did work hard for get discredited. So that's why I had to right a long as post clarifying which things I feel I earned on my own. I earned those 3 Africa trips on my own and nobody can take that away from me. Nobody can take 07 thru 11 away from me and say I didn't earn whatever I got then on my own.
...Tom, let's tell the truth. Is anything I said above a lie?
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White people are inferior to blacks? I'm not gonna lie and say everyones equal. And in the past I may of said something like that. But overall I think you'd have to say every race has some areas they excell in and some areas they fall behind in and that theirs exceptions to every rule.
There you go. So who are you to call me (or anyone else) a bigot for not liking 2Pac as much as you do? And to top if off you start calling me a monkey.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jGlVTbpvdFY
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I think this whole 2Pac vs. The Beatles argument digresses from the thread starters original point. This topic started talking about Death Row, not 2Pac.
Never-the-less, let's compare The Beatles to 2Pac:
Beatles: One of the best artists to come out of England
2Pac: One of the best artists to come out of the USA
Beatles: Influenced the world with their music
2Pac: Influenced the world with his music
Beatles: Broke sales records
2Pac: Broke sales records
Beatles: People talk about them even though they are no longer active and 2 members are dead
2Pac: People talk about him even though he is no longer active and is dead
Bealtes: Signed to Parlophone, a record label that is now defunct and irrelevant.
2Pac: Signed to Death Row, a record label that is now defunct yet everyone still talks about.
Who the fuck is still talking about Parophone and what possibly happened in the past? It's over and people just accept the music that was made. So why do people still talk about every note, brick and dollar that was involved in Death Row? Enjoy the music and move on.
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Brian the I used QB as an example because you said yourself "The Chronic is an accurate description of the black man in America". As a matter of fact I think you may of even said it yourself on this very board. As for calling you a failure, where am I wrong ? How many occupations have you tried and failed at ? I know you have told me several of them the two most notable were truck driver and nurse. But you have always cried the blues about it or at least last time we spoke you did. About you being a deadbeat, a few weeks after you told me your ex father in law said you were basically a deadbeat and in your own words you said you were having finacial problems you came here talking about you're going on a trip to Africa. C'mon son cut the bullshit, you yourself said your having finacial troubles and trouble supporting your son but you got the money for a month long trip to Africa. That's some deadbeat Dad bullshit no matter how you try and twist it. About your Dad still paying for your ass. You said it yourself he gave you a loan to help pay for it. He also bailed your ass out when you failed as a trucker. Which is kinda funny because you used to come on here talking about how truckers are red neck morons yet you failed as a trucker. But as of the last time we spoke on aim which I do admit was a while ago, you yourself said you Dad was still pauing your car insurance and phone bill. And about you hating your dad, you never actually said but when you were going through your entire I'm better than you because I'm muslim phase you said your Dad was trying to reach out to you, trying to get a better understanding of you and islam. But you said you weren't having that. You used to bitch all the time about how your Dad thought throwing money at you would fix the problem. You would bitch about how your Dad liked to drink a little too much instead of dealing with family issues. Yea you never said you hate your Dad but it was strongly implied. Brian, these were your words, not mine words or anyone elses.
And Brian, for the records I've told you why I exposed you like this and it had nothing to do with me trying to tear people down to my level, or your friendship with NIK, or our differing beliefs. It was beacus of your holier than thou attitude. That with all your issues and troubles you still came here talking about how your a better person because you only listened to a certain type of music, or you didn't watch porn, or because you're an islamic libertarian. That's why I do what I do to you Brian. To be honest I never had any intention of exposing you like this. As a matter of fact when you had your son I thought you had actually changed and grown up. It seemed like you had finally startted to respect others for their different views, opinions, and moral codes. Remember when I told you "that's a beautiful thing" when you spoke of your son and how much he made you change the way you viewed things ? But you still came on here with your holier than thou attitude even though your just as big a piece a shit as the rest of us. But I know you're goin' spin this some how Brian or only read and hear what you want because your that hypocritical and your that self absorbed.
Man, you really love to twist shit from 4 year old AIM conversations. Which by the way I was taking you as a friend in those convo's so this is the ultimate bitch move to take my words from 4 year old AIM convo's when we were cool with each other. Shows what a piece of shit you are. I wouldn't even think about doing shit like that.
-Wow, that was so funny you said my dad was paying my cell phone and car insurance bills in 2007!!! LMAO!!! Now that part wasn't even twisting truth that is just straight fucking made up shit. I've been paying car insurance for myself since atleast 2003, with no changes to that, and cell phone bills since atleast 2003 or well before. Also the part about my son making me change my life and the way I viewed the world, sounds nice in theory, but I think you projected that onto me, cause I don't recall experiencing that or reporting that to you. Maybe you said something in AIM convo like, "Yo that's dope you got a son, makes you see the world different", and maybe I elaborated just feeding off of your vibe, but that would of had to of come from you. Nothing against my son, but the path I'm on hasn't been significantly altered by him. And if that sounds bad to you being an arm-chair father that you are, then so be it. I'm keepin it real.
-Again, I've explained many times before. But let me explain my financial situation for the record, and everything I say here is consistent with all our AIM convo's. Try and deny that this isn't...
...Basically, I ain't shy about mentioning where my parents had money and where my parents helped me. Especially not today, I may of been way naive when I was younger not wanting my parents money, but now I know just how difficult it is out there, and you have to take every advantage you can get. That is part of what life is about is going with what works and exploiting opportunities. So I'm not shy to say I grew up upper middle class and in a white suburban neighborhood. I also had a hell of a lot of money from my family to go to college with after highschool or spend else where as long as I made a half-ass case to them for why I needed the money. But I was extremely naive when I was 18 years old, and I honestly didn't want any of my parents money and I actually tried to get emancipated legally from my parents and so on. I moved out on my own, and in my mind I was living on my own, but i admit that in reality I was steady getting money to get me out of jams all along. This really lasted almost all the way up until 2006 all that college/post highschool money ran out completely.
-So my family money may have helped me go to California back in 2002, but it was actually some Muslims in Cali that helped me go to Hajj, and loaned me that money financially. But my trip in 03' to Oman and the Emirates was certainly helped by that family money.
-Then by the end of 2006 I had ran out of my family money after one final trip to the Arab Gulf. This was the same trip that I had the mental, emotional, spiritual breakdown on and so forth. When I came back to America all the family money had ran out, and even my parents were retired and had lost their whole savings in Lucent stock, and were just living on pensions and social security.
-So anything 2007 and on is my own money, and my own sweat. When I went to Africa the first time I had no credit card. So I got in a jam and started calling people in America and 3 people loaned me money to get me by that first trip to Africa. One of them was my mom, only like 500 dollars. When I returned back to America I immediately entered trucking school and was sponsored by a trucking company. Then halfway through the school they found out about some traffic tickets and dropped me. So my father paid for the rest of the class with a credit card and I paid him back throughout the year.
-My trips to Africa in 08 and 10'/11 by that time I had a credit card so there has been no need to try and borrow money from anybody, I just use a credit card when I'm in a jam and pay it back later.
-Bottom line, in situations where I've gotten money from my parents I will admit it, because I don't see any reason to be ashamed of it. But I just don't like having the shit that I did work hard for get discredited. So that's why I had to right a long as post clarifying which things I feel I earned on my own. I earned those 3 Africa trips on my own and nobody can take that away from me. Nobody can take 07 thru 11 away from me and say I didn't earn whatever I got then on my own.
...Tom, let's tell the truth. Is anything I said above a lie?
Yes a number of things you lied about. I won't say you lied about the money for your trips, maybe you're telling the truth maybe you're not but for arguments sake I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But I'll point out a number of things you lied about. Those convo's weren't in 2007, they were in 2009 a couple of months before jewdgement day. We're not even talking two years yet. Your changes, I didn't project them on you. Those were your own words. I fed off of your changes speech and then maybe you fed off my "thats beautiful comment". But that started first with your And it had nothing to do about your lifes journey, it had to do just with how you viewed the world and others. And truth be told, you actually did seem like a better person. And it had nothing to do with your trips or your personal beliefs. It seemed like you had finally grown up and accepted responsibility for your life and accepting of other people. Brian this wasn't something I imagined. It was your own words and actions you actually displayed for a very short time. But you showed your true colors, the self righteous holier than thou douche that you are. The funny thing is, when you started doing it again I warned you in a thread to cut it out or I was going to expose you. The thing is Brian, you're so self absorbed that you only read and hear what you want to.
But some other thing things you were lying about. Your failure in trucking school, you told me it was because while you were in New Jersey, not 100% it was New Jersey but I think that's where it was. You told me you dropped the course or the trucking company that dropped you because you took your truck under a low underpass and fucked up your companies trailor. And you said that was the reason you dropped the trucker job. I remember you crying about how the guy on the road with you wasn't nice and wasn't holding your hand like everyone else has. Now it was tickets after a background check. Your new excuse sounds pretty suspect Brian. I've been working in the import business for the past 5 years so I deal with truckers all day everyday. Maybe your company didn't do a background check right away but most companies I know araen't hiring someone to drive their trucks around before they do a background check. About your bills maybe it wasn't 2009 when we spoke about your parents helping you out but if was definitely later than 2003 because I remember asking you how you survive without having steady work and you said your parents help you out and I remember you specifically mentioning car insurance.
So their you go Brian, a number of lies you have said.
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hahaha i remember that underpass shit, he also said he didnt know how to drive a manual but he tried to learn how to drive an 18 wheeler
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lol @ being a trucker.
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I feel embarrassed for a lot of posters here.
anybody else notice the insurgence of deliberate drama-baiting that's been going on lately? people have been living their lives on this forum and it's always everybody elses fault that people still wanna talk about The Ruthless Family Tree. this thread and that "let's be real about 2Pac" thread is clearly baiting material. in other words, this nigga's just lookin' 2 start some shit
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lol @ being a trucker.
Aint nothing wrong with being a trucker.
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lol @ being a trucker.
Aint nothing wrong with being a trucker.
Truckers are big & rocking flannel with glorious red beards.
Brian is some scrawny lookin' kid. The thought of him behind a truck is hilarious.
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Yo Tom, it's not lying when you tell a story and some shithead with an agenda like yourself mixes up your story.
The trucking story is simple. I was sponsored by a trucking company who would pay for my school if I promised to work for them. Then halfway through my school they dropped me cause they found out about some tickets. So my dad loaned me the money to finish. I finished the school, then I started working with a company named Werner, and in my second month driving for the company I was in my last few days of being paired up with another driver before I could be on my own. my trainer told me to follow the GPS and the GPS took me right into a low bridge at 3am in New Ark New Jersey. Major wreck and I was fired, and I said fuck it and went back to pushing pills at nursing homes.