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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: Storm on October 12, 2003, 02:57:02 PM
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This may be my personal opinion but i think in the list of best rappers it should be 1. 2pac 2. Eminem and 3. Notorious B.I.G, but most lists of greatest rappers have 1. 2pac, 2. Notorious B.I.G. and 3. Either Eminem or someone else.
So I am wondering do you think Eminem could ever be considered a better rapper than Notorious B.I.G?
I think the reason Biggie is always listed #2 is because he died (no offense, RIP). He's amazing, but I think its a joke when people think Biggie is better than Pac. I am not saying Biggie isn't an one of the best rappers ever, but I think 2pac, and even Eminem are on a much higher level than him and that it should become known that Biggie realyl isnt the second best rapper ever. What do you all think?
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deceased rappers will always have a advantage and an disadvantage, their advantage is, they get more love cuz their gone and people look into their shit more and appreciate it and they could have dropped a wack one if they were alive so they left wit a hot image
disadvantage is, they could have just gotten started. imagine eminem bein shot down after slim shady lp, look at all the hot shit we would have never gotten
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well i rate biggie higher than pac just look at the way he cud tell a story in his raps
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Eminem will never be on Big & Pac's level, and they're both overrated as fuck anyways. I love both their music but they are far from the best.
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imo eminem is already above biggy.....i mean look at dead wrong. one verse tore up a hungy biggie who had 2-3 verses.
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Eminem will never be on Big & Pac's level, and they're both overrated as fuck anyways. I love both their music but they are far from the best.
i have to agree, they are great, but i dunno if they are the best,theres rappers with better lyrics, better flows, better all around, but i think eminem eminem has a chance on his next album to either go to a higher level
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I think Biggie is the all time GOAT, so imo, no, Eminem will never be above Biggie....But thats just me
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Lyrically he already is...
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haha
Nobody could tell a story like biggie,not pac not eminem...plus his style was so unique and original..his style shits on both pac and eminem
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biggie flows li ke no other, fucking smooth as fuck.
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will he ever be be above biggie? shit, he barely above vanilla ice, so therefore he ain't even in the same fucekn universe as BIG. 2pac and Biggie are two of the greatest of all time. RIP
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man there are 100 rappers better than pac and big...they are way overrated...i got love for both because their music is something that will never die...it was good quality music...before the time of 50 cent and nelly...but they are way overrated...eminem is higher than both in my opinion...his lyrics are much better...true he cant tell a story like biggie, he cant make real gangsta tracks like pac...but in his own way he is above both...he is also overrated as fuck though...its the underrated rappers that are the ones that imo are way above those 3.
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imo eminem is already above biggy.....i mean look at dead wrong. one verse tore up a hungy biggie who had 2-3 verses.
LOL...^^^
Eminem will never be anything close to B.I.G...bottom line
Hatesrats 2oooTre
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Eminem has lyrics above Big and Pac. That is all. Albums, flows, impact/influence (this does not mean sales, it means actually influencing the way the music is made), voice, content, etc. go to Big and Pac.
I would like to see the list of 100 rappers (I know it was an exageration) better than Pac, Big and Em when it comes to the total package not just lyrics because lyrics are not everything that makes an MC one of the greatest. I agree that these three are not untouchable but they are in the top rankings when it comes to the overall package. Plus it all depends on what you are looking for. Do you want a well balanced MC or an MC that is really nice in one area but really lacks in others?
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Eminem has lyrics above Big and Pac. That is all. Albums, flows, impact/influence (this does not mean sales, it means actually influencing the way the music is made), voice, content, etc. go to Big and Pac.
I would like to see the list of 100 rappers (I know it was an exageration) better than Pac, Big and Em when it comes to the total package not just lyrics because lyrics are not everything that makes an MC one of the greatest. I agree that these three are not untouchable but they are in the top rankings when it comes to the overall package. Plus it all depends on what you are looking for. Do you want a well balanced MC or an MC that is really nice in one area but really lacks in others?
as far as the mainstream goes there arent many better than them...but if you look past the albums you see in most stores and go to some shit that you will never hear on the radio its a whole other world...there are dozens of rappers better but they will never get recognized.
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The truth is...
Eminem's topic's do not feed the original base of hip-hop music....
EM's topic's are not/nor can anyone who hip-hop was OG really for, identify with his content...ImO
OnE
Hatesrats 2oooTre
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EM's topic's are not/nor can anyone who hip-hop was OG for really for, identify with his content...ImO
i think i know what you were trying to say in that sentence...thats one of the problems in hip hop today...its too damn predictable...by saying that his topics dont really work for hip hop is basically proving that. no music should have pre-set topics...i should be able to rap about a ham sandwich if i want.
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Eminem has lyrics above Big and Pac. That is all. Albums, flows, impact/influence (this does not mean sales, it means actually influencing the way the music is made), voice, content, etc. go to Big and Pac.
I would like to see the list of 100 rappers (I know it was an exageration) better than Pac, Big and Em when it comes to the total package not just lyrics because lyrics are not everything that makes an MC one of the greatest. I agree that these three are not untouchable but they are in the top rankings when it comes to the overall package. Plus it all depends on what you are looking for. Do you want a well balanced MC or an MC that is really nice in one area but really lacks in others?
as far as the mainstream goes there arent many better than them...but if you look past the albums you see in most stores and go to some shit that you will never hear on the radio its a whole other world...there are dozens of rappers better but they will never get recognized.
I do and have listened to a LOT of non mainstream rappers and I find a lot of them are nice lyrically but lack in flow, voice, delivery, etc. Kool Keith (Dr. Octagon) one of my favorite non mainstream artists for example is ill lyrically but his flow, voice, delivery, choruses, etc. aren't coming remotely close to Big, Pac or Em. Like I said it depends on what you're looking for.
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EM's topic's are not/nor can anyone who hip-hop was OG for really for, identify with his content...ImO
i think i know what you were trying to say in that sentence...thats one of the problems in hip hop today...its too damn predictable...by saying that his topics dont really work for hip hop is basically proving that. no music should have pre-set topics...i should be able to rap about a ham sandwich if i want.
What I mean is...
1.I love my family...
2.I would never call my MOM by any name regardless..(She fucken gave me life)
3.I never lived in no trailer home...
4.I have never been bullied..
5.I'm not his skin tone..
6.I have never been fucked over for wanting to belong to a culture that does not truly accept me.
7.I'm not a multi millionaire...
8.I don't care about Em's personal termoil (Wife/kid)
9.I don't hate Teenie bopper's just because their name ryhmes...lol
10.ect...
90% of Em's topic's just do not interest me....
Hatesrats 2oooTre (not knockin' his hustle)
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if eminem unleashes some phenomenal story-telling skill somehow, he MIGHT be above biggie. but i doubt that will happen.
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EM's topic's are not/nor can anyone who hip-hop was OG for really for, identify with his content...ImO
i think i know what you were trying to say in that sentence...thats one of the problems in hip hop today...its too damn predictable...by saying that his topics dont really work for hip hop is basically proving that. no music should have pre-set topics...i should be able to rap about a ham sandwich if i want.
What I mean is...
1.I love my family...
2.I would never call my MOM by any name regardless..(She fucken gave me life)
3.I never lived in no trailer home...
4.I have never been bullied..
5.I'm not his skin tone..
6.I have never been fucked over for wanting to belong to a culture that does not truly accept me.
7.I'm not a multi millionaire...
8.I don't care about Em's personal termoil (Wife/kid)
9.I don't hate Teenie bopper's just because their name ryhmes...lol
10.ect...
90% of Em's topic's just do not interest me....
Hatesrats 2oooTre (not knockin' his hustle)
but you can say the same for ANY RAPPER
you never belonged to a gang...
you never shot a gun...
you never drove a bentley...
you never drank a whole bottle of crystal...
you never wore a 100,000 bucks or jewelery...
you never slanged half a kilo of coke...
you didn't have a mom who was a black panther
ect.
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What I mean is...
1.I love my family...
2.I would never call my MOM by any name regardless..(She fucken gave me life)
3.I never lived in no trailer home...
4.I have never been bullied..
5.I'm not his skin tone..
6.I have never been fucked over for wanting to belong to a culture that does not truly accept me.
7.I'm not a multi millionaire...
8.I don't care about Em's personal termoil (Wife/kid)
9.I don't hate Teenie bopper's just because their name ryhmes...lol
10.ect...
90% of Em's topic's just do not interest me....
Hatesrats 2oooTre (not knockin' his hustle)
but you can say the same for ANY RAPPER
you never belonged to a gang...
you never shot a gun...
you never drove a bentley...
you never drank a whole bottle of crystal...
you never wore a 100,000 bucks or jewelery...
you never slanged half a kilo of coke...
you didn't have a mom who was a black panther
ect.
Corleone's got a point there. You don't have to come from the same background as the rappers you like to like them. I sure as hell can't relate to 99.9% of the shit people say on record. But I don't like who I like because they're like me - I like who I like because they are who they are.
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EM's topic's are not/nor can anyone who hip-hop was OG for really for, identify with his content...ImO
no music should have pre-set topics...i should be able to rap about a ham sandwich if i want.
As long as u do it wit skill u bet u can,
I agree wit u 200%, that's basicly what many close minded heads get twisted, The topic is the artist's personal choice, the rating system alpies only to his abillity to properly deliver whichever topic he chooses.
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As my hiphop taste matured with time, I stoped thinkin' Pac neceserly hold's the number one spot overall, imo, Biggie is far more structurewise progressive, Pac always brought that "in yo face-no mind acrobatics" typa heat, which actually was one of his main greatnesses, alowed the most regressed dumb fucks feel his shit as much as the intelectual listeners did,huge acsessabillity, which was seemingly intended, or at least expected. Biggie's structural complexity and cinematism where visably more thought through judging by the result(regardless of how he used to record his shit), he seemed much more concentrated and his diversity was visable only when it was required thematicly, unlike Pac's everlasting-non stop diversity, yet these seemingly "no acsess for non heads" attitude his lyrical agenda pressented did not heart his acsessabillity. That's why I gard Biggie one rank higher than Pac.
As far as Slim goes, there are times I feel he has quallities of them both combined within his sick head at the same time, so with time I may come to a conclusion he should be garded higher than Biggie, yet it's hard to let go off proven greats so this decision will take some time.
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i think Em is above Biggie in some sense -- but there will always be that feeling that if Biggie didnt get killed, would he have become even greater? Same goes for 'Pac. Em is probably the greatest alive today, closer to the most well-rounded MC than anyone around (IMO).
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...I think the reason Biggie is always listed #2 is because he died (no offense, RIP)...
LoL! It's the same what I think about 'Pac. IMO I think that Biggie should be on a higher rank than 'Pac. But I would never say, that even one of them should be called the best rapper. As many people said before me, 'Pac and Biggie are much overrated!
I also don't feel what Hatesrats said (that Eminem has uninterestin' topics), 'cause they got more sense, then if somebody is rappin' about how many dudes he killed today ::)
...You don't have to come from the same background as the rappers you like to like them. I sure as hell can't relate to 99.9% of the shit people say on record. But I don't like who I like because they're like me - I like who I like because they are who they are.
Agree 100%!
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"but most lists of greatest rappers have 1. 2pac, 2. Notorious B.I.G. and 3. Either Eminem or someone else"
maybe the MTV/B.E.T. lists , or teeny bopper's lists . but most hip hop heads would place guys like KRS one and Rakim above eminem just based on how much they've done for hip hop. Eminem ,even though he's a very skilled MC, hasn't done enough to be recognised as one of the ALL TIME greats.maybe one of the best CURRENT MCs but not of all time ...not yet anyway.
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My list has always gone 1. 2Pac, because no other rapper changed the game like he did. He altered hip-hop forever. His emotions are second to non and no one can touch his depth. 2. Rakim, the best lyrist hands down. 3. Nas, for many years, dropping classics. 4. Biggie, best flow, story telling, wasn't as deep, could be though, but skillz were great. 5. Ice Cube, largly overlooked, one of the greatest ever, and deserves the regonizion. 6. Scarface, 7. Big Daddy Kane, 8. KRS-One, 9. Snoop Dogg, 10. Jay-Z, 11. LL Cool J, then at number 12. Eminem, 13. Method Man, 14. Lauryn Hill and 15. Big Pun
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I just dont like the shit Eminem raps about...He always seems like he's whinning about something, and strives on creating controversy over stupid shit...
Biggie on the other hand, was one of the realest muthafuckers ever on the mic, spit the truth. Big could paint the best picture in your head and everything seemed so natural to him.
Sometimes Eminem tries to hard IMO and maybe has turned himself into something he is not. Eminem relies on gimmicks and publicity stunts to sell (even tho he IS dope on the mic)
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my list goes pac, eminem and biggie out of them three... BUt ive never really rated biggie... Ive felt the odd track but other than that i aint really a fan
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man eminem aint even top 3 material........id love to see him be balck n try n come with this same shit n see how ppl rate him........
his one of the best today.......but all time?!?? no way
his topics about britney, his mom, tryna create contraversial shit n played out gimmicks is weak........then he comes with some real nice deep shit n sick lyrics, which is more hip hop.........but he dont stay true consistant......
imo pacs the best, no one did shit like him, even all his unreleased verses are sick and alot fo them were like leftovers......n that would shit on ppl both flow, content and lyrics wise of the 2003 kats........n thats sayin sumthing.......same with biggie, never really was a biggest biggie fan, but i appreciate wat he did.......
imo nas is a greater hiphop cat then eminem n most hiphop heads will agree because nas can do shit that releates to both the og hiphop klan n the new, his got sick sick lyrics, his story tellin is mad tite, and its good stories to, shit thats clever, n his doin sumthang in hiphop for a cat who sells that nobody else is doin, real hiphop......and he also has on of the most underrated flows in the game, plus all i gotta say is "illmatic" and shits over......i like jigga to but i think eminem is grater than him imo...........but rakim???.........eminen aint shit compared to ra either
my top list of all time goes imo.........
1)pac
2)rakim
3)biggie
4)nas
peace
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biggie flows li ke no other, fucking smooth as fuck.
Big Pun and EMinem both got nice flows..just like B.i.G.
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14. Lauryn Hill
good dog ;D
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man eminem aint even top 3 material........id love to see him be balck n try n come with this same shit n see how ppl rate him........
his one of the best today.......but all time?!?? no way
his topics about britney, his mom, tryna create contraversial shit n played out gimmicks is weak........then he comes with some real nice deep shit n sick lyrics, which is more hip hop.........but he dont stay true consistant......
imo pacs the best, no one did shit like him, even all his unreleased verses are sick and alot fo them were like leftovers......n that would shit on ppl both flow, content and lyrics wise of the 2003 kats........n thats sayin sumthing.......same with biggie, never really was a biggest biggie fan, but i appreciate wat he did.......
imo nas is a greater hiphop cat then eminem n most hiphop heads will agree because nas can do shit that releates to both the og hiphop klan n the new, his got sick sick lyrics, his story tellin is mad tite, and its good stories to, shit thats clever, n his doin sumthang in hiphop for a cat who sells that nobody else is doin, real hiphop......and he also has on of the most underrated flows in the game, plus all i gotta say is "illmatic" and shits over......i like jigga to but i think eminem is grater than him imo...........but rakim???.........eminen aint shit compared to ra either
my top list of all time goes imo.........
1)pac
2)rakim
3)biggie
4)nas
peace
ill agree with that list, em is like #15
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haha
Nobody could tell a story like biggie,not pac not eminem...plus his style was so unique and original..his style shits on both pac and eminem
There once was a guy named Slick Rick....and there was another named Ice Cube...*walks away*
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This is the list.
1. Rakim - Inventing and perfecting the multi-syllable rhyme scheme. Influenced the way emcees rap now.
2. KRS-One - Brought together the community,taught the community, and was the unofficial spokesperson for hip-hop.
3. Ice Cube - Brought credibility to West Coast emcees, while dropping classic after classic.
4. Slick Rick - The Great Adventures of Slick Rick.
5. Nas - He dropped Illmatic, and has influenced every rapper since.
To tell you the truth, 2pac and Eminem are neither in my top 10. Tupac did have a huge impact on Hip-Hop, but he brought nothing new to it, infact his 'thug persona' could be the turning point for quality hip-hop music as we know it. He was a mixture of N.W.A.'s 'gangsta style', while at the same time trying philosophize, teach, and bring together the black community like KRS-One. Eminem is an ill emcee, but lacks the catalogue that many other appers have. Don't get me wrong, I listen to him all the time, but he has not brought nothing to the table that is mindblowing.
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How are Biggie, Pac and Em in the top 10?
KRS
Cube
G Rap
Slick Rick
Chuck D
Ice-T
D.O.C.
Scarface
Too Short
Big Daddy Kane
D.O.C. is debateable, but that's pretty much the top ten, not in order of course. That's skill, longevity, influence, albums.
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14. Lauryn Hill
good dog ;D
lol... hey... best female rapper ever. Was very nice, and had a great message. Also, 5 grammy's for a hip-hop/r&b album isn't bad, and had a nice singing voice to go with her skillz. top 15 for sure, doesn't have to be hardcore.
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you're never going to get everyone to agree on a top 10 MCs list.. another pointless debate
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How are Biggie, Pac and Em in the top 10?
KRS
Cube
G Rap
Slick Rick
Chuck D
Ice-T
D.O.C.
Scarface
Too Short
Big Daddy Kane
D.O.C. is debateable, but that's pretty much the top ten, not in order of course. That's skill, longevity, influence, albums.
Good choices, not the exact same as mine but some great rappers in there people sleep on like Chuck D, Ice-T & BDK.
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The thing with biggie and pac is their deaths immortalised
them to a level that no other rapper could achieve, also
pac cause he left behind such a big archive of unheard
material that it made him such of huge icon of hip hop.
with em he is the biggest rapper in hip hop today but I
don't think he could reach the same level as pac and biggie
unless he came to the same ending as pac & big.
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to tell u the truth, the only way to answer this thread's question objectively is by disgarding the facts of their death, and judge strictly by Rap quallities,I know how hard it is to ignore imortalized greats, I don't believe that "Above biggie" means famewise, the discusion is about skillz.
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IMPACT (Time & Still)
Fuck it here's my list....ImO
1.Ice Cube {wo/90% of today would not exist}
2.2Pac {No need to explain}
3.Rakim {The BLUEprint...)
4.Eazy-E {Smartest hip-hopper ever....}
*Ask Dash, Master P, Suge Knight ect...*
5.Notorious B.I.G. {Ressuerected NY with :o}
6.Big Pun {Untouchable rhymes/flow & ability..}
*I'll put Pun toe 2 toe with any rapper dead or alive*
7.KRS-one {Best of the best in Battle/knowledge}
8.Big Daddy Kane {1st Lyrical/PIMP/Player u name it..}
9.Scarface {Brought the South to hip-hip}
*Very underestimated lyrical, Face bring's passion*
10.Too $hort {The 1st to do just about everything}
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Hatesrats 2oooTre
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IMPACT (Time & Still)
Fuck it here's my list....ImO
1.Ice Cube {wo/90% of today would not exist}
2.2Pac {No need to explain}
3.Rakim {The BLUEprint...)
4.Eazy-E {Smartest hip-hopper ever....}
*Ask Dash, Master P, Suge Knight ect...*
5.Notorious B.I.G. {Ressuerected NY with :o}
6.Big Pun {Untouchable rhymes/flow & ability..}
*I'll put Pun toe 2 toe with any rapper dead or alive*
7.KRS-one {Best of the best in Battle/knowledge}
8.Big Daddy Kane {1st Lyrical/PIMP/Player u name it..}
9.Scarface {Brought the South to hip-hip}
*Very underestimated lyrical, Face bring's passion*
10.Too $hort {The 1st to do just about everything}
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Hatesrats 2oooTre
With the exception of Too $hort, same people different order. It's all good, 'cause as long as the people are up, I think that it's close enough. Real hip-hop fans regonize who's the greatest. I like Eminem, but his not top 10 at all. Also, Kool G Rap, Chuck D, Slick Rick, Too $hort and D.O.C. are all in my top 20. But I think that in terms of skillz, Eminem is better than all of them, in wordplay battle rapping, and/or impact. Like with Kool G Rap, I think Kool G is better as a rapper, but Eminem's impact just is too much for Kool G. Same with D.O.C., though in terms of just pure skillz, D.O.C. is only behind to Rakim, Biggie and Pun to me. That shows you how much I judge impact. I think Eminem is slightly better than Slick Rick in skillz, and way better than Chuck D or Too $hort. But both Too $hort and Chuck D's impact, and Chuck D's message and hard delievery are too hard to ignore. Maybe I'll complete my list, and make a top 50 like everyone else.
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Eminem could b better than biggie coz he already shocked everone when he became the greatest white rapper of all time so i do't see why he couldn't b da greatest of all time if he try's hard enough, but he's still got some living compotition like Nas and his boy 50.
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Eminem could b better than biggie coz he already shocked everone when he became the greatest white rapper of all time so i do't see why he couldn't b da greatest of all time if he try's hard enough, but he's still got some living compotition like Nas and his boy 50.
LOL.. this man's great white hope. Before thinking Eminem's better than Biggie, first this man has to be better than Ice Cube, Scarface, and a host of other people. His not even the greatest rapper in his era, that's Nas. I think that he is great, but don't get your hopes up.
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will he ever be be above biggie? shit, he barely above vanilla ice, so therefore he ain't even in the same fucekn universe as BIG. 2pac and Biggie are two of the greatest of all time. RIP
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IMPACT (Time & Still)
Fuck it here's my list....ImO
1.Ice Cube {wo/90% of today would not exist}
2.2Pac {No need to explain}
3.Rakim {The BLUEprint...)
4.Eazy-E {Smartest hip-hopper ever....}
*Ask Dash, Master P, Suge Knight ect...*
5.Notorious B.I.G. {Ressuerected NY with :o}
6.Big Pun {Untouchable rhymes/flow & ability..}
*I'll put Pun toe 2 toe with any rapper dead or alive*
7.KRS-one {Best of the best in Battle/knowledge}
8.Big Daddy Kane {1st Lyrical/PIMP/Player u name it..}
9.Scarface {Brought the South to hip-hip}
*Very underestimated lyrical, Face bring's passion*
10.Too $hort {The 1st to do just about everything}
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Hatesrats 2oooTre
i like your list
my list goes like this
...i'd put Em #1 nas #2 and pun #3..then it would go pac/biggie/cube/krs one/big daddy kane..and so on ;D
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I can't put Eminem in the top 10 yet, maybe the top 20 but Notorious B.I.G. is there for sure. Eminem can move ahead of him for sure because he's capable of it. He just has to make his Illmatic and keep putting out quality albums. That's how Nas moved up my list so much. His albums are just so good and they display his skills and versatility so well. He'll probably pass KRS-One by the end of next year.
In terms of influence I think the top five are Rakim, Kane, Slick Rick, G Rap and Pac.
My Current Top Ten MCs Ever:
1. Rakim
2. KRS-One
3. Nas
4. Big Daddy Kane
5. Notorious B.I.G.
6. Slick Rick
7. Kool G Rap
8. 2Pac
9. Scarface
10. Ice Cube
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holy hell...like 90% of the shit said in this thread had something to do w/ eminem being white (which has absolutely nothing to do with his skills) or has been about how they dont like him cuz he raps about how much he hates pop stars...hey...did you ever notice that the last time he rapped about a pop star was on "the marshall mathers lp" back in like 99...i was in 9th grade the last time he made a new song about a pop star and im in college now.
seriously...that mf has matured in his raps more than any other artist i have ever seen...he went from rapping about his mom (using jokes and whatnot) and rapping about pop stars to having real lyrics and having some of the most emotional music i've ever heard...there were traces of that starting back on the mm lp with "the way i am" & "stan"...then he dropped the eminem show which in my opinion is one of the greatest albums of the last 10 years.
everyone plays him out to be this poppy little white guy who raps about vicaden and homosexuality but he's not...he has implyed many times that he isnt eminem...he's marshall mathers...eminem is how he started out and he's tired of that...but he's not gonna quit doing eminem because he wants money...yes i think thats a bitch move because if i didnt like that image i'd quit (especially if i was a multimillionaire)
but seriously...his skills have nothing to do w/ the fact that he's white, you cant say you dont like him cuz you cant relate to his subject matter cuz you cant relate to 90% of the other rappers either...eminem is no different than any of the others...people make him out to be though.
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holy hell...like 90% of the shit said in this thread had something to do w/ eminem being white (which has absolutely nothing to do with his skills)
If Eminem was black, he'd be another Ras Kass.
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i think eminem is lyrically better than biggie.. but in terms of flow.. i think biggie takes the cake!!
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as already stated this is a pointless debate. Everyone has different opinions. For one we all know when a popular rapper dies, everyone starts talking about how he was the best. If 50 cent were to get shot and die people would be quick to say he's the best just like with big and pac. I am sorry but it is quite pathetic that people are willing to say em is the best rapper of all time and he hasn't even been in the rap game as long as some of the other greats. Like Rakim, Nas, and Jay Z. Yea he has some pretty good songs but sometimes i stilll see him as just a pop artist not a rapper.
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uhhhh.. slim shady lp.. most of the songs are stories..
i think eminem is on a whole nutha level than big and pac.. pac and big have no clue what it means to be lyrikal.. anyone can throw 1 syllable rhymin words together to make a story and if they got the voice well then hey.. they got somethin goin on.. but em takes it to another level.. if any of you actually wrote songs.. you would know what multi's are, multis is what makes em better, every syllable rhymes with his shit.. every word is thought out and contemplated, big and pac just sorta freestyle and put it on paper..
Dead Wrong is a classic comparison to em and biggie.. fuk it
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well i rate biggie higher than pac just look at the way he cud tell a story in his raps
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uhhhh.. slim shady lp.. most of the songs are stories..
i think eminem is on a whole nutha level than big and pac.. pac and big have no clue what it means to be lyrikal.. anyone can throw 1 syllable rhymin words together to make a story and if they got the voice well then hey.. they got somethin goin on.. but em takes it to another level.. if any of you actually wrote songs.. you would know what multi's are, multis is what makes em better, every syllable rhymes with his shit.. every word is thought out and contemplated, big and pac just sorta freestyle and put it on paper..
Dead Wrong is a classic comparison to em and biggie.. fuk it
Juelz Santana uses multi's, I guess that makes him better than Pac and Big, too.
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Multi's are so damn overrated man. I'm not a fan or Pac, Big or Em, but just becuase you use 1 sylable rhyming, that doesn't mean you're weak lyrically. If you got something to say in your rhymes, that holds more weight than a rhyme scheme. Pac, though I can't stand him, had a lot to say. Em has very little to say.
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Big Pun > Eminem when it comes to multis. Do y'all consider him better?
"Dead Wrong"? Yes Eminem outshined Biggie on one song.
Busta Rhymes murdered Q-Tip and Phife Dawg on "Scenario" but we all know who is nicer on the mic and who has contributed more to hip hop and who have arguably the best albums of all time, hint: it ain't Busta.
I don't think one song can justify whos better and who's not.
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"Dead Wrong"? Yes Eminem outshined Biggie on one song.
What's funny is that Em gets credit for "outshining" Biggie on a song that was recorded at least 2 years before Em dropped his vocals. LMAO. That doesn't count. I swear man.
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k lets get this straight.
Storytelling - Biggie
Rhymescheme - Eminem
Battle MC - Eminem
Influential - Biggie
Catalogue - Biggie
Flow - Biggie
Punchlines - Eminem
Metaphors - Eminem
That's 4-4, i'm pretty sure those are set in stone, but every person will differ in categorizing the weight of each attribute, which will coalesce into perpetual juxtaposition.
^wtf that come from.
I kinda agree with SGV, multis aren't everything, there are rappers who are lyrical, and dont use multies (monch/canabis/krs), but they're few. If you look at most emcees that are labeled as being lyrical, they usually use multies.