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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Sccit on September 30, 2013, 09:35:47 AM
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http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/23911371/doc-rivers-says-the-lakers-are-the-best-franchise-in-the-history-of-sports
lmao
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I'd give it to the Yankees.
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I'd give it to the Yankees.
Why, because they try to buy championships and still can't win? They had 3 times the payroll of the Kansas City Royals and finished with a worse record than the Royals.
I would agree with you in the era of Mantle and Ruth, but today baseball is so screwed up.
Off the top of my head I would have to say the Lakers are the best franchise in the history of sports.
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I'd give it to the Yankees.
Off the top of my head I would have to say the Lakers are the best franchise in the history of sports.
It's hard to pick "THE BEST" one, but Lakers are def "ONE OF THE BEST" ever - no question about it.
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LAKERS GOT THIS
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I'd give it to the Yankees.
Why, because they try to buy championships and still can't win? They had 3 times the payroll of the Kansas City Royals and finished with a worse record than the Royals.
I would agree with you in the era of Mantle and Ruth, but today baseball is so screwed up.
Off the top of my head I would have to say the Lakers are the best franchise in the history of sports.
You're just jealous that your team is too poor to actually spend money and compete.
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I'd give it to the Yankees.
Why, because they try to buy championships and still can't win? They had 3 times the payroll of the Kansas City Royals and finished with a worse record than the Royals.
I would agree with you in the era of Mantle and Ruth, but today baseball is so screwed up.
Off the top of my head I would have to say the Lakers are the best franchise in the history of sports.
You're thinking way too much in recent years. I just mean looking at the entire picture, outside some brief bad times, they've been a big-time team forever. Virtually every year they're expected to compete, and it's been like that since the 20's. I don't like how baseball is run either, but any team could be spending as much as they do, but that's just not how it's been. I love years like this where they fail to make the playoffs despite their massive payroll, but looking at it objectively it's hard to put anyone above them. As far as the Lakers go I'd give to to them in terms of the NBA, but in all of sports I still have to say the Yankees.
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History of Sports? Na. From Ruth, Mantle, DiMaggio, Gehrig & Berra to Jeter & Rivera. It's the Yankees.
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It's honestly not even debatable; Yankees.
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It's honestly not even debatable; Yankees.
LOL...YANKEES HAD A HEAD START. IN 65 YEARS, LAKERS ONLY MISSED THE PLAYOFFS 5 TIMES.
SINCE 1947, WHEN THE NBA BEGAN, THE LAKER FRANCHISE HAS WON 17 TITLES ... YANKEES 16
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I've already spoken countlessly on this forum about the integrity of the NBA. It's embarrassing that two teams (Celtics and Lakers) have combined more titles than the rest of the league in history.
Even more that in theory, the Bulls could of won eight titles in one decade.
This NBA season has the most balance in a long while.
Winning the World Series is a crap shoot regardless of the favorite. 50-1 long shots can win if everything is clicking. Not to mention, you can't discredit the 50 years before the Lakers existed. That's longevity.
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LOL...YANKEES HAD A HEAD START. IN 65 YEARS, LAKERS ONLY MISSED THE PLAYOFFS 5 TIMES.
SINCE 1947, WHEN THE NBA BEGAN, THE LAKER FRANCHISE HAS WON 17 TITLES ... YANKEES 16
So what you're saying is that the only case the Lakers (or any franchise for that matter) can make for "The Greatest Sports Franchise In History" is if you put "Since ____" afterwards. Fair enough.
Although when you discuss one of the greatest sports franchises of all time it'll be the team that's been the very top more times than anyone else, which is the Yankees. I think they also have the most WS appearences and most WS losses too.
And that "the Yankees have been around longer" excuse is total bullshit. There are a lot of franchises that have been around just as long, if not longer, than the Yankees and none of them have even come close to the amount of succcess the Yankees have achieved.
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LOL...YANKEES HAD A HEAD START. IN 65 YEARS, LAKERS ONLY MISSED THE PLAYOFFS 5 TIMES.
SINCE 1947, WHEN THE NBA BEGAN, THE LAKER FRANCHISE HAS WON 17 TITLES ... YANKEES 16
So what you're saying is that the only case the Lakers (or any franchise for that matter) can make for "The Greatest Sports Franchise In History" is if you put "Since ____" afterwards. Fair enough.
Although when you discuss one of the greatest sports franchises of all time it'll be the team that's been the very top more times than anyone else, which is the Yankees. I think they also have the most WS appearences and most WS losses too.
And that "the Yankees have been around longer" excuse is total bullshit. There are a lot of franchises that have been around just as long, if not longer, than the Yankees and none of them have even come close to the amount of succcess the Yankees have achieved.
well, since the mlb has been around for much longer than the nba, then of course yankees will have more titles under their belt...but in terms of average, lakers have a higher rate of quality seasons in a 65 year span than the yankees have had in 111 year span. in essence 17/65 > 27/111 = lakers > yankees
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The Yanks are 27-13 in the World Series.
They have 2 times the World Series appearances than the number 2 team.
Only 1 other team in MLB history has at least 11 (no other team has more than 9 after that) Championships.
Of all teams that have at least 3 appearances in the WS, they have the 2nd highest win percentage.
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The Lakers are 16-15 in the Finals.
They have 10 more appearances than the number 2 team.
They have the 2nd most Championships behind that number 2 team that has 10 less appearances.
Of all teams that have at least 5 appearances in the Finals, they have the 5th highest win percentage.
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Since 47, the Yankees had a stretch where they won appeared in 6 of the 7 WS and won all 6. Their next stretch was 4 straight WS appearances and went 2-2. Their next stretch was 5 straight WS appearances and went 2-3. They went a while without an appearance, then hit 3 straight and went 2-1. They had another cold streak and went 0-1. Their next stretch was 4 out of 5 WS appearances and winning all 4. Then, most recently, winning in 09.
Since 47: 17-7 - Yankees
Since 47: 16-15 - Lakers
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NIK gets owned right here.
the Yankees are easily the best sports team ever. not even close. it makes it even more hilarious because of the fact that you can't argue the Lakers as the best NBA team ever considering another team has more championships than them.
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The Yanks are 27-13 in the World Series.
They have 2 times the World Series appearances than the number 2 team.
Only 1 other team in MLB history has at least 11 (no other team has more than 9 after that) Championships.
Of all teams that have at least 3 appearances in the WS, they have the 2nd highest win percentage.
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The Lakers are 16-15 in the Finals.
They have 10 more appearances than the number 2 team.
They have the 2nd most Championships behind that number 2 team that has 10 less appearances.
Of all teams that have at least 5 appearances in the Finals, they have the 5th highest win percentage.
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Since 47, the Yankees had a stretch where they won appeared in 6 of the 7 WS and won all 6. Their next stretch was 4 straight WS appearances and went 2-2. Their next stretch was 5 straight WS appearances and went 2-3. They went a while without an appearance, then hit 3 straight and went 2-1. They had another cold streak and went 0-1. Their next stretch was 4 out of 5 WS appearances and winning all 4. Then, most recently, winning in 09.
Since 47: 17-7 - Yankees
Since 47: 16-15 - Lakers
1st off, lemme start by saying, the laker have 17 championships as a sports franchise, not 16...they won a title with george mikan in the nbl before the merger with the nba. secondly, lemme get this straight...the yankees have 40 world series appearances in 111 years, while the lakers have 32 finals appearances in 65 years and you still dont see how the lakers have a higher success rate?
and more importantly, 17/65 or 27/111, which is better?
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NIK acts like the talent of players in the 1940s for a few of those Laker championships is anything. the NBA took a good 5+ years to actually be something. In the late 40s to mid 50s the NBA was just an infant league while major league base ball was America's #1 sport by far.
now the #1 sport of course is football and then MLB and basketball can battle out the meaningless title of second place. but baseball was always america's #1 sport when the Yankees were dominating before Mantle, Berra and Ford all retired. the Lakers won't be reaching 17 titles anytime soon, let alone 27.
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laker franchise already has 17....but point is, if ur speaking success rate, no one has been as successful as the lakers. not even the yankees, hence doc rivers quote.
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1st off, lemme start by saying, the laker have 17 championships as a sports franchise, not 16...they won a title with george mikan in the nbl before the merger with the nba. secondly, lemme get this straight...the yankees have 40 world series appearances in 111 years, while the lakers have 32 finals appearances in 65 years and you still dont see how the lakers have a higher success rate?
and more importantly, 17/65 or 27/111, which is better?
Not many actually count the title in the NBL, but ok. Doing the math, the Yankees percentage of titles won is actually a lot closer than you would think. Also, the Celtics have 17 and have been around as long as the Lakers, so their rate is actually the same:
Yankees: 24.3%
Lakers: 26.1%
Celtics: 26.1%
Less than 2% difference. Overall, when you look how much more dominant the Yanks are than the next team, it's not even funny. Yankees have more wins than every other team has appearances in the World Series. The Celtics have as many wins as the Lakers in 10 less Finals appearances.
No matter how you slice it, the Yankees are the top franchise of all time.
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The main reason I'd put the Yankees over the Lakers is because for the longest time, baseball was more popular than basketball. So because of that the Yankees not only have legends of baseball, they have HUGE American legends. Babe Ruth, Yogi Berra, Lou Gehrig, Whitey Ford, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle. These are not just names that live in baseball history, these names live in American history. The Lakers have Magic Johnson, and maybe Jerry West. But the Yankees have a Murderer's Row if you will of people who influenced the pop culture as a whole, Babe Ruth being the largest both figuratively and literally. And if you don't know where that Murderer's Row name came from, then you can't speak in this conversation. And once you have heard this term, then you'll realize how often you heard people say Murderer's Row in just everyday language.
Look, the Lakers are up there, they are somewhere next to the Packers, Bears, Cowboys, Celtics and Dodgers battling for #2. But the Yankees are so far ahead because baseball was American's past time for so long, because they have larger than life legends, and because the Yankees have even influenced everyday language beyond even Murderer's Row. It just is. The Lakers have a long way to go before they can catch up. But to call them second best, that's not to far off.
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1st off, lemme start by saying, the laker have 17 championships as a sports franchise, not 16...they won a title with george mikan in the nbl before the merger with the nba. secondly, lemme get this straight...the yankees have 40 world series appearances in 111 years, while the lakers have 32 finals appearances in 65 years and you still dont see how the lakers have a higher success rate?
and more importantly, 17/65 or 27/111, which is better?
Not many actually count the title in the NBL, but ok. Doing the math, the Yankees percentage of titles won is actually a lot closer than you would think. Also, the Celtics have 17 and have been around as long as the Lakers, so their rate is actually the same:
Yankees: 24.3%
Lakers: 26.1%
Celtics: 26.1%
Less than 2% difference. Overall, when you look how much more dominant the Yanks are than the next team, it's not even funny. Yankees have more wins than every other team has appearances in the World Series. The Celtics have as many wins as the Lakers in 10 less Finals appearances.
No matter how you slice it, the Yankees are the top franchise of all time.
lol@"but ok"...i dont care who counts it or not- it's not counted as an NBA title officially, but it's still a title for the Laker franchise. the funny thing about all that shit is that the NBA recognizes BAA titles, but for some reason, NBL records were not included in the merger. see, before the NBA, there were 2 leagues, NBL and BAA, with the NBL being the more competitive of the 2 leagues... BAA was all white, while the NBL already had interracial play in the 40's. in 1949, the NBA was formed by absorbing 7 original BAA teams and 9 original NBL teams (3 of the 9 NBL teams were already absorbed by the BAA in previous seasons)......so if there were more NBL teams than BAA teams in the merger, why are BAA titles counted and NBL titles not? why? it's a technicality, thats why. because the merger was headed by the BAA, they didnt consider the NBA a new league...they went out and used the same BAA league offices and simply changed the leagues name to the NBA instead of starting a new league all together. it was all based on convenience. so technically, the NBL titles dont count as NBA titles (though they should), while BAA titles do....but as far as the Laker franchise goes, that title very much counts as a Laker franchise title. it was Mikan's first title and it was not only in one of the two leagues that helped form the NBA, but also the more successful and competitive of the two.
and u also just proved the lakers are a more winning franchise than the yankees with those stats....lol. even if it's just 2% more, thats still a higher success rate. this aint about how much better the yankees are than the next best baseball team, it's about what franchise is the most successful in ALL of sports. and considering the lakers success rate is 2% greater, thats enough to validate the GOAT franchise title....celtics are far behind the lakers because a.)they have way less conference titles, playoff appearances, had a 20 year period where they were sub-par, and won a majority of their titles in a 10 year span, in the 50s and 60s, when the NBA was much less competitive and had way less teams. to be the top franchise of all time, u gotta be the most successful, and at the end of the day, everything points to the lakers having the highest success rate.
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The main reason I'd put the Yankees over the Lakers is because for the longest time, baseball was more popular than basketball. So because of that the Yankees not only have legends of baseball, they have HUGE American legends. Babe Ruth, Yogi Berra, Lou Gehrig, Whitey Ford, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle. These are not just names that live in baseball history, these names live in American history. The Lakers have Magic Johnson, and maybe Jerry West. But the Yankees have a Murderer's Row if you will of people who influenced the pop culture as a whole, Babe Ruth being the largest both figuratively and literally. And if you don't know where that Murderer's Row name came from, then you can't speak in this conversation. And once you have heard this term, then you'll realize how often you heard people say Murderer's Row in just everyday language.
Look, the Lakers are up there, they are somewhere next to the Packers, Bears, Cowboys, Celtics and Dodgers battling for #2. But the Yankees are so far ahead because baseball was American's past time for so long, because they have larger than life legends, and because the Yankees have even influenced everyday language beyond even Murderer's Row. It just is. The Lakers have a long way to go before they can catch up. But to call them second best, that's not to far off.
fuck, not this again... more "laker fan" shit..godamn, mdogg, will u ever step ur game up? ol' fairweather division title holdin' ass
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The main reason I'd put the Yankees over the Lakers is because for the longest time, baseball was more popular than basketball. So because of that the Yankees not only have legends of baseball, they have HUGE American legends. Babe Ruth, Yogi Berra, Lou Gehrig, Whitey Ford, Joe DiMaggio, Mickey Mantle. These are not just names that live in baseball history, these names live in American history. The Lakers have Magic Johnson, and maybe Jerry West. But the Yankees have a Murderer's Row if you will of people who influenced the pop culture as a whole, Babe Ruth being the largest both figuratively and literally. And if you don't know where that Murderer's Row name came from, then you can't speak in this conversation. And once you have heard this term, then you'll realize how often you heard people say Murderer's Row in just everyday language.
Look, the Lakers are up there, they are somewhere next to the Packers, Bears, Cowboys, Celtics and Dodgers battling for #2. But the Yankees are so far ahead because baseball was American's past time for so long, because they have larger than life legends, and because the Yankees have even influenced everyday language beyond even Murderer's Row. It just is. The Lakers have a long way to go before they can catch up. But to call them second best, that's not to far off.
fuck, not this again... more "laker fan" shit..godamn, mdogg, will u ever step ur game up? ol' fairweather division title holdin' ass
LMFAO... oh God. I already know where your going now. About 2-3 pages of why the Packers, Bears and Dodgers don't belong in this conversation and how the Lakers are still better than the Yankees.
Let me just give a quick run down of all my sports top 3 franchises, and I'll leave it alone.
MLB
1 Yankees, more World Series wins (27) than the next teams World Series appearances (19)
2 Dodgers, also part of American lore, but for always being the runner up to the Yankees in many years. Tied for 3 all time in World Series appearances (18 though only 6 wins), home of legendary players including Jackie Robinson.
3 Cardinals, second most World Series wins.
Honorable mention: Giants, second most World Series appearance, and like the Dodgers, always there but lost. Only difference is that the Dodgers have more players who are known in American culture, the Giants do have Willie Mayes though.
NFL
1 Packers, more NFL/Super Bowl titles than any other team. (11 NFL titles, 4 Super Bowl titles)
2 Dallas Cowboys, tied for most Super Bowl appearances (5 wins, 3 loses), called America's team.
3 Bears, best all time regular season record, second most NFL/Super Bowl titles. (8 NFL titles, 1 Super Bowl title)
Honorable mention: Steelers, most Super Bowl victories (6 Super Bowls), though didn't make the playoffs for 25 years in the pre-Super Bowl era.
NBA
1 Lakers, appeared in more NBA finals than any other team (31). Stars include Magic Johnson and the Logo. Only missed the playoffs 6 times in 66 years.
2 Celtics, most NBA championships in NBA history. (17, Lakers first title is not recognized by the NBA so they officially have 16), and had Bill Russell and Larry Bird.
3 Bulls, third all time in NBA championships, and had Michael Jordan.
Honorable mention: San Antonio Spurs, very consistent as a competitive team, forth most all time in NBA championships.
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YOU'RE A COMPLETE IDIOT, BRO....FOREAL LMFAO
THE LAKERS ONLY TWO STARS ARE MAGIC JOHNSON AND JERRY WEST? :stupid:
SOMETIMES I JUST FEEL LIKE REACHIN THRU THE SCREEN N SLAPPIN THE SHIT OUT OF U..IF U DIDNT CALL URSELF A LAKER FAN, IT'D BE ONE THING. BUT U DO...AND U LIVE IN MINNESOTA. U NEED STRONGER REPRESENTATION AND BETTER PROOF OF UR FANDOM THAN WHAT U PROVIDE ON THIS FORUM, SUCKELL.
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It's not counted though. Just like ABA titles. When a company is absorbed, it's history is not recognized. The reason the NBA recognizes the BAA is because the NBA is the same company. The BAA took over the NBL and then changed their name to NBA. That's what happens in Business.
Only thing that matters is what's official. Officially the Celtics have 17 titles and the Lakers have 16. When you look at the official numbers the Lakers are at 24.6% (.3 higher than the Yanks).
Then you can look at the Celtics and Lakers head to head in the Finals. Or that the Lakers have needed 31 appearances to get to their number, whereas the Celtics have not. My point is, when you break down "All Time" it's more than just the raw number of titles. It's about dominance.
You can't dismiss how much better they are than the next team. The Yankees do not have anyone close to them in their sport. That is dominant. The Lakers, as stated, have less official titles in more appearances than the Celtics. That is not so dominant.
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YOU'RE A COMPLETE IDIOT, BRO....FOREAL LMFAO
THE LAKERS ONLY TWO STARS ARE MAGIC JOHNSON AND JERRY WEST? :stupid:
SOMETIMES I JUST FEEL LIKE REACHIN THRU THE SCREEN N SLAPPIN THE SHIT OUT OF U..IF U DIDNT CALL URSELF A LAKER FAN, IT'D BE ONE THING. BUT U DO...AND U LIVE IN MINNESOTA. U NEED STRONGER REPRESENTATION AND BETTER PROOF OF UR FANDOM THAN WHAT U PROVIDE ON THIS FORUM, SUCKELL.
YOU'RE A COMPLETE IDIOT, BRO....FOREAL LMFAO
THE LAKERS ONLY TWO STARS ARE MAGIC JOHNSON AND JERRY WEST? :stupid:
SOMETIMES I JUST FEEL LIKE REACHIN THRU THE SCREEN N SLAPPIN THE SHIT OUT OF U..IF U DIDNT CALL URSELF A LAKER FAN, IT'D BE ONE THING. BUT U DO...AND U LIVE IN MINNESOTA. U NEED STRONGER REPRESENTATION AND BETTER PROOF OF UR FANDOM THAN WHAT U PROVIDE ON THIS FORUM, SUCKELL.
LMAO. Did I list every single star for each franchise. Hell, I didn't even list all the Yankees. You are an idiot who tries too hard to be Mr. Laker. I should have slapped the shit outta you years ago.
I only listed the most notable stars. The stars that have transcend their sport. Like Jackie Robinson for the Dodgers, or Magic Johnson, or Babe Ruth. Yeah, every team has had a star. The Lakers have many Hall of Famers, more HoFers than any other franchise in the NBA. But only certain stars transcend their sport. Magic, West, Kobe, Shaq. Those names are known around the world. But the Yankees have stars that are American legends. You can't tell me that any star in the Lakers is bigger than Babe Ruth. And to prove I ain't no Babe Ruth dick sucker.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=186457.0
But to judge franchises, you have to look at what they did to make a player bigger than life. Ruth was a great player in Boston. 3 out of the 7 World Series teams he was part of where in New York. But people will always remember Ruth as a Yankee, even though his better baseball was played on the Red Sox. With other players, they became legends as Yankees. There is just something about the franchise. Many franchises have stars. The Lakers have more stars than other franchises. Magic is that guy who became almost as big as Ruth. But the Yankees have those caliber transcending stars in much larger numbers than the Lakers. Yogi Berra is often quoted. There is no player on the Lakers who is as quoted as Berra.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/quotes/quoberra.shtml
And he got quoted because he was a Yankee. The closest star I'd compare to the Lakers is Joe DiMaggio, he's about the level I'd put Magic and Kobe and Shaq. Straight Hollywood. But no one on the Lakers reaches Ruth, Berra levels. The Lakers don't reach Yankee levels. It's take about 10-20 years of Yankee losing and straight Laker winning for it to come close.
And your Laker's 17th title, don't forget who brought that title to light. ;)
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It's not counted though. Just like ABA titles. When a company is absorbed, it's history is not recognized. The reason the NBA recognizes the BAA is because the NBA is the same company. The BAA took over the NBL and then changed their name to NBA. That's what happens in Business.
Only thing that matters is what's official. Officially the Celtics have 17 titles and the Lakers have 16. When you look at the official numbers the Lakers are at 24.6% (.3 higher than the Yanks).
Then you can look at the Celtics and Lakers head to head in the Finals. Or that the Lakers have needed 31 appearances to get to their number, whereas the Celtics have not. My point is, when you break down "All Time" it's more than just the raw number of titles. It's about dominance.
You can't dismiss how much better they are than the next team. The Yankees do not have anyone close to them in their sport. That is dominant. The Lakers, as stated, have less official titles in more appearances than the Celtics. That is not so dominant.
Within 5-7 years, the Lakers will pass Boston. Write it down.
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It's not counted though. Just like ABA titles. When a company is absorbed, it's history is not recognized. The reason the NBA recognizes the BAA is because the NBA is the same company. The BAA took over the NBL and then changed their name to NBA. That's what happens in Business.
Only thing that matters is what's official. Officially the Celtics have 17 titles and the Lakers have 16. When you look at the official numbers the Lakers are at 24.6% (.3 higher than the Yanks).
Then you can look at the Celtics and Lakers head to head in the Finals. Or that the Lakers have needed 31 appearances to get to their number, whereas the Celtics have not. My point is, when you break down "All Time" it's more than just the raw number of titles. It's about dominance.
You can't dismiss how much better they are than the next team. The Yankees do not have anyone close to them in their sport. That is dominant. The Lakers, as stated, have less official titles in more appearances than the Celtics. That is not so dominant.
right, so it's a technicality. in reality, it's just as important as the BAA titles, but since technically the BAA management is the one who bought out the NBL to form the NBA and not the other way around, it doesnt count towards NBA titles...but once again, were speaking franchises, and the Lakers, as a franchise, have 17 titles. one with the NBL, one with the BAA, and 15 with the NBA...the only team to have a title with all three leagues, which is another plus to the resume.
at the end of the day, we speakin franchises....officially, the lakers as a franchise have 17 titles.
lakers needed 31 appearances to get to that number? thats supposed to be a knock on the lakers?? finals appearances, whether u win or not, is a good thing....those other years where lakers made it to the finals and lost, the celtics werent even good enough to make it, and some of those years, weren't even good enough to make playoffs....so 31 finals appearances means more conference titles for the lakers. in all those years, we were good enough to win the west or win it all=higher success rate...again, 75% of boston's titles came before the 70's, when the competition was not only weaker, but of lower quantity, as well.
if it's about dominance, lakers have won in every era and were always good enough to win or, at the very least, contend for a title...championships in every generation. that's dominance.
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YOU'RE A COMPLETE IDIOT, BRO....FOREAL LMFAO
THE LAKERS ONLY TWO STARS ARE MAGIC JOHNSON AND JERRY WEST? :stupid:
SOMETIMES I JUST FEEL LIKE REACHIN THRU THE SCREEN N SLAPPIN THE SHIT OUT OF U..IF U DIDNT CALL URSELF A LAKER FAN, IT'D BE ONE THING. BUT U DO...AND U LIVE IN MINNESOTA. U NEED STRONGER REPRESENTATION AND BETTER PROOF OF UR FANDOM THAN WHAT U PROVIDE ON THIS FORUM, SUCKELL.
YOU'RE A COMPLETE IDIOT, BRO....FOREAL LMFAO
THE LAKERS ONLY TWO STARS ARE MAGIC JOHNSON AND JERRY WEST? :stupid:
SOMETIMES I JUST FEEL LIKE REACHIN THRU THE SCREEN N SLAPPIN THE SHIT OUT OF U..IF U DIDNT CALL URSELF A LAKER FAN, IT'D BE ONE THING. BUT U DO...AND U LIVE IN MINNESOTA. U NEED STRONGER REPRESENTATION AND BETTER PROOF OF UR FANDOM THAN WHAT U PROVIDE ON THIS FORUM, SUCKELL.
LMAO. Did I list every single star for each franchise. Hell, I didn't even list all the Yankees. You are an idiot who tries too hard to be Mr. Laker. I should have slapped the shit outta you years ago.
I only listed the most notable stars. The stars that have transcend their sport. Like Jackie Robinson for the Dodgers, or Magic Johnson, or Babe Ruth. Yeah, every team has had a star. The Lakers have many Hall of Famers, more HoFers than any other franchise in the NBA. But only certain stars transcend their sport. Magic, West, Kobe, Shaq. Those names are known around the world. But the Yankees have stars that are American legends. You can't tell me that any star in the Lakers is bigger than Babe Ruth. And to prove I ain't no Babe Ruth dick sucker.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=186457.0
But to judge franchises, you have to look at what they did to make a player bigger than life. Ruth was a great player in Boston. 3 out of the 7 World Series teams he was part of where in New York. But people will always remember Ruth as a Yankee, even though his better baseball was played on the Red Sox. With other players, they became legends as Yankees. There is just something about the franchise. Many franchises have stars. The Lakers have more stars than other franchises. Magic is that guy who became almost as big as Ruth. But the Yankees have those caliber transcending stars in much larger numbers than the Lakers. Yogi Berra is often quoted. There is no player on the Lakers who is as quoted as Berra.
http://www.baseball-almanac.com/quotes/quoberra.shtml
And he got quoted because he was a Yankee. The closest star I'd compare to the Lakers is Joe DiMaggio, he's about the level I'd put Magic and Kobe and Shaq. Straight Hollywood. But no one on the Lakers reaches Ruth, Berra levels. The Lakers don't reach Yankee levels. It's take about 10-20 years of Yankee losing and straight Laker winning for it to come close.
And your Laker's 17th title, don't forget who brought that title to light. ;)
uh, george mikan......wilt chamberlain......kareem abdul-jabbar.......shaquille o'neal......kobe bryant. any of them names ring a bell? smfh. some of those are not just american icons, but GLOBAL ICONS...yes, more global than babe ruth.
go to israel and say the name "joe dimaggio"...people will look at u like u fell off the moon. then say "magic johnson", and if any1 doesnt know who that is, u can look at them like they fell from the moon....again, man, this is just too much. are u a yankee fan or just a laker hater in disguise? pick 1, foreal.
like i said, u gotta do a better job reppin ur colors if u live in minnesota, son...step it up or ban yaself
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nobody gives a fuck about george mikan these days and you know it.
for some reason you try to downplay the Celtics historical significance yet you jack off over George Mikan ???
makes no sense.
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Just sayin, if u talkin about stars who transcend the sport, George Mikan is right there
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right, so it's a technicality. in reality, it's just as important as the BAA titles, but since technically the BAA management is the one who bought out the NBL to form the NBA and not the other way around, it doesnt count towards NBA titles...but once again, were speaking franchises, and the Lakers, as a franchise, have 17 titles. one with the NBL, one with the BAA, and 15 with the NBA...the only team to have a title with all three leagues, which is another plus to the resume.
at the end of the day, we speakin franchises....officially, the lakers as a franchise have 17 titles.
lakers needed 31 appearances to get to that number? thats supposed to be a knock on the lakers?? finals appearances, whether u win or not, is a good thing....those other years where lakers made it to the finals and lost, the celtics werent even good enough to make it, and some of those years, weren't even good enough to make playoffs....so 31 finals appearances means more conference titles for the lakers. in all those years, we were good enough to win the west or win it all=higher success rate...again, 75% of boston's titles came before the 70's, when the competition was not only weaker, but of lower quantity, as well.
if it's about dominance, lakers have won in every era and were always good enough to win or, at the very least, contend for a title...championships in every generation. that's dominance.
It may be a technicality, but it's reality. The NBL is history means as much as ABA history. When people talk about Dr. J, he only gets credit for 1 ring. Even though he won 2 with the ABA. Nobody mentions that the Pacers have 3 championships, because those came from the ABA. That's how it goes.
It's about rings. It's about personnel. It's about dominance.
Celtics have rings in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 00s.
Yanks have rings in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 90s and 00s.
Lakers have rings in the 40s, 50s, 70s, 80s, 00s and 10s.
I bring up the amount of times the Lakers have played in the Finals and lost, because that is relevant. You can say "Oh well the Celtics won in the 60s and the talent level..." But from 57-69, the Celtics won 11 titles. In that time frame, they only missed the Finals once and only lost in the Finals once. They beat Wilt and the Warriors once. Bob Pettit and the Hawks 3 times. And the other 7 times? That was the Lakers. Overall, 9-3 in Finals play in favor of the Celtics.
You just cannot dismiss the level of play then, but give the Lakers the nod for their titles. Going by your logic, since the competition wasn't up to snuff, the Lakers lose 5 NBA titles (6 Overall since you count the NBL title). They also lose 12 appearances (or 13).
From 17, they're not at 11 rings. From 32, they are all way down to 19 appearances.
But, those are technicalities as well. My point is, for the Yankees you do not have to try to discredit their competitors to make them look better. They look great on their own. This topic has turned into a Spin Zone for the Lakers. Cut and dry, the Yankees are just the best Franchise in Sports History. Period.
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uh, george mikan......wilt chamberlain......kareem abdul-jabbar.......shaquille o'neal......kobe bryant. any of them names ring a bell? smfh. some of those are not just american icons, but GLOBAL ICONS...yes, more global than babe ruth.
go to israel and say the name "joe dimaggio"...people will look at u like u fell off the moon. then say "magic johnson", and if any1 doesnt know who that is, u can look at them like they fell from the moon....again, man, this is just too much. are u a yankee fan or just a laker hater in disguise? pick 1, foreal.
That might be how things are in Israel (I've never been there myself so I don't know how things are there) but I know that Joe DiMaggio is more well known in other Asian countries (Japan, Korea, China, Taiwan, The Philippines to name a few that I've been to). More than anything because in the far-eastern part of Asia baseball is a lot more popular than basketball, not to mention his relationship with the immortal Marilyn Monroe. The only people in far-east Asia who know who Shaq, Kobe, Magic etc... are are NBA fans who follow the sport religiously. Babe Ruth and Joe DiMaggio are far more easily recognized names in the far-east than any basketball player.
That said, I wonder who's the bigger name in Europe (Britain, France, Italy etc...), Babe Ruth or Michael Jordan?
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right, so it's a technicality. in reality, it's just as important as the BAA titles, but since technically the BAA management is the one who bought out the NBL to form the NBA and not the other way around, it doesnt count towards NBA titles...but once again, were speaking franchises, and the Lakers, as a franchise, have 17 titles. one with the NBL, one with the BAA, and 15 with the NBA...the only team to have a title with all three leagues, which is another plus to the resume.
at the end of the day, we speakin franchises....officially, the lakers as a franchise have 17 titles.
lakers needed 31 appearances to get to that number? thats supposed to be a knock on the lakers?? finals appearances, whether u win or not, is a good thing....those other years where lakers made it to the finals and lost, the celtics werent even good enough to make it, and some of those years, weren't even good enough to make playoffs....so 31 finals appearances means more conference titles for the lakers. in all those years, we were good enough to win the west or win it all=higher success rate...again, 75% of boston's titles came before the 70's, when the competition was not only weaker, but of lower quantity, as well.
if it's about dominance, lakers have won in every era and were always good enough to win or, at the very least, contend for a title...championships in every generation. that's dominance.
It may be a technicality, but it's reality. The NBL is history means as much as ABA history. When people talk about Dr. J, he only gets credit for 1 ring. Even though he won 2 with the ABA. Nobody mentions that the Pacers have 3 championships, because those came from the ABA. That's how it goes.
It's about rings. It's about personnel. It's about dominance.
Celtics have rings in the 50s, 60s, 70s, 80s and 00s.
Yanks have rings in the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, 60s, 70s, 90s and 00s.
Lakers have rings in the 40s, 50s, 70s, 80s, 00s and 10s.
I bring up the amount of times the Lakers have played in the Finals and lost, because that is relevant. You can say "Oh well the Celtics won in the 60s and the talent level..." But from 57-69, the Celtics won 11 titles. In that time frame, they only missed the Finals once and only lost in the Finals once. They beat Wilt and the Warriors once. Bob Pettit and the Hawks 3 times. And the other 7 times? That was the Lakers. Overall, 9-3 in Finals play in favor of the Celtics.
You just cannot dismiss the level of play then, but give the Lakers the nod for their titles. Going by your logic, since the competition wasn't up to snuff, the Lakers lose 5 NBA titles (6 Overall since you count the NBL title). They also lose 12 appearances (or 13).
From 17, they're not at 11 rings. From 32, they are all way down to 19 appearances.
But, those are technicalities as well. My point is, for the Yankees you do not have to try to discredit their competitors to make them look better. They look great on their own. This topic has turned into a Spin Zone for the Lakers. Cut and dry, the Yankees are just the best Franchise in Sports History. Period.
lol@"spin zone" .. Fact remains, Lakers have the highest success rate in all of sports. U can spin that however u want, but at the end of the day, facts will remain facts. Being around longer doesn't make u the better franchise.. The success u have in the time period uv been around is what determines that, and there's no arguing the higher success rate for the Lakers, period.
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If you want more current names, which might be known more internationally,
Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, Roger Clemens. Though some maybe cheats, they are known internationally.
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Not true. The Lakers are tied with the Celtics IF you count the NBL. If you don't, and many don't, then it's the Celtics that have the highest. This is a fact.
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If you want more current names, which might be known more internationally,
Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, Roger Clemens. Though some maybe cheats, they are known internationally.
They were not cheats alone though. The entire league was cheating.
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uh, george mikan......wilt chamberlain......kareem abdul-jabbar.......shaquille o'neal......kobe bryant. any of them names ring a bell? smfh. some of those are not just american icons, but GLOBAL ICONS...yes, more global than babe ruth.
go to israel and say the name "joe dimaggio"...people will look at u like u fell off the moon. then say "magic johnson", and if any1 doesnt know who that is, u can look at them like they fell from the moon....again, man, this is just too much. are u a yankee fan or just a laker hater in disguise? pick 1, foreal.
That might be how things are in Israel (I've never been there myself so I don't know how things are there) but I know that Joe DiMaggio is more well known in other Asian countries (Japan, Korea, China, Taiwan, The Philippines to name a few that I've been to). More than anything because in the far-eastern part of Asia baseball is a lot more popular than basketball, not to mention his relationship with the immortal Marilyn Monroe. The only people in far-east Asia who know who Shaq, Kobe, Magic etc... are are NBA fans who follow the sport religiously. Babe Ruth and Joe DiMaggio are far more easily recognized names in the far-east than any basketball player.
That said, I wonder who's the bigger name in Europe (Britain, France, Italy etc...), Babe Ruth or Michael Jordan?
Michael Jordan and its not even close..
I know ur an MLB fan and all, but u gota understand that basketball is much more global sport than baseball, more Asians may play baseball, but EVERY country plays basketball.. the name magic Johnson is far more universal than DiMaggio .. Come on now
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If you want more current names, which might be known more internationally,
Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, Roger Clemens. Though some maybe cheats, they are known internationally.
Still nowhere close to as known as magic Johnson internationally
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Not true. The Lakers are tied with the Celtics IF you count the NBL. If you don't, and many don't, then it's the Celtics that have the highest. This is a fact.
Way more Finals and playoff appearances = higher succes rate. If one team makes the finals and another team doesn't, which one was more successful? Plus, relevance through every era and no real dry spell like the celtics had for 2 decades, and it's really not even close
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More than half of the teams make the Playoffs in the NBA. That is irrelevant. Look at Baseball, reality is that only 8 teams make the Post-Season. 3 Division winners and a wild card on each side. 16 in the NBA. Making the Playoffs in Baseball is much more of a feat than it is in the NBA. I can't think of the last time a team sub .500 in Baseball ever made the Playoffs.
Jerry West has been to 9 Finals, only winning 1. Does he have a higher success rate than Magic? Kobe? Kareem? No. He only has 1 ring.
In the NBA, nobody has beaten the Lakers in the Finals like the Celtics. In the NBA, nobody Owned a Decade like the Celtics did, outside of maybe the Bulls in the 90's.
In Baseball, nobody owns the Yankees. Nobody owned a time period like the Yankees.
Hence, why the Yankees are the most successful team in Sports history. They are unmatched.
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More than half of the teams make the Playoffs in the NBA. That is irrelevant. Look at Baseball, reality is that only 8 teams make the Post-Season. 3 Division winners and a wild card on each side. 16 in the NBA. Making the Playoffs in Baseball is much more of a feat than it is in the NBA. I can't think of the last time a team sub .500 in Baseball ever made the Playoffs.
Jerry West has been to 9 Finals, only winning 1. Does he have a higher success rate than Magic? Kobe? Kareem? No. He only has 1 ring.
In the NBA, nobody has beaten the Lakers in the Finals like the Celtics. In the NBA, nobody Owned a Decade like the Celtics did, outside of maybe the Bulls in the 90's.
In Baseball, nobody owns the Yankees. Nobody owned a time period like the Yankees.
Hence, why the Yankees are the most successful team in Sports history. They are unmatched.
lol do u realize ur using the exact same arguments I used against u for the laker-Celtic debate against me now? So if playoffs are more impressive in baseball because of that how are laker titles from a generation with double the amount of teams than there was in the 60s not more impressive than Celtic titles won in an era with way less teams and less competition? If it goes one way, it goes the other.
As for jerry west vs magic, of course magic has the higher success rate lol . And that's because magic has 5 rings.. But considering the lakers and celtics are neck and neck in titles, it's conference titles that separates them. Just like a player who's led his team to the playoffs would be considerered more successful than a player who's never been, but the ultimate goal is always the championship.
Now u goin back to sayin the Yankees are unmatched when we already proved lakers have the higher success rate smh
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If you want more current names, which might be known more internationally,
Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, Roger Clemens. Though some maybe cheats, they are known internationally.
Still nowhere close to as known as magic Johnson internationally
HA!
Oh, and you downplay Asia. Asia makes up for over 1/3 of the world's population. If a country plays Cricket (India with over 1.3 billion people) then they know American baseball. Trust me, I have lot of students who know about the Yankees over Lakers.
Plus, based off viewership, baseball is over basketball. This is global viewership.
http://www.clicktop10.com/2013/03/top-10-most-popular-sports-in-the-world/
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lol do u realize ur using the exact same arguments I used against u for the laker-Celtic debate against me now?
That was the point. You're spinning, so I spun along with you.
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Michael Jordan > Magic and Bryant put together
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lol do u realize ur using the exact same arguments I used against u for the laker-Celtic debate against me now?
That was the point. You're spinning, so I spun along with you.
NOT SPINNING ANYTHING...IM STATING FACTS. LEARN THE DIFFERENCE.
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If you want more current names, which might be known more internationally,
Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, Roger Clemens. Though some maybe cheats, they are known internationally.
Still nowhere close to as known as magic Johnson internationally
HA!
Oh, and you downplay Asia. Asia makes up for over 1/3 of the world's population. If a country plays Cricket (India with over 1.3 billion people) then they know American baseball. Trust me, I have lot of students who know about the Yankees over Lakers.
Plus, based off viewership, baseball is over basketball. This is global viewership.
http://www.clicktop10.com/2013/03/top-10-most-popular-sports-in-the-world/
FAIR ENOUGH...THEM ASIANS REALLY ARE POWER IN NUMBERS. BUT EVERY CONTINENT FUX WIT BASKETBALL, WHILE SOME DONT EVEN HAVE A CLUE WHAT BASEBALL IS. I'M PRETTY SURE BASKETBALL IS TAKING OVER OR IS AT LEAST CLOSE TO TAKING OVER AS THE 2ND MOST POPULAR SPORT WORLDWIDE.
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Michael Jordan > Magic and Bryant put together
magic+kobe are both better than larry bird, and even better than ur idol, charles barkley.. so in essence, u shittin on ur dudes
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most titles in NBA history since 1949:
1-Celtics 17
2-Lakers 16
3-Bulls 6
4-Spurs 4
5a-Heat 3
5b-Pistons 3
meanwhile, let's check baseball's World Series going back to 1903 (minus a few years with no WS from strikes):
1-Yankees 27
2-Cardinals 11
3-Athletics 9
4a-Red Sox 7
4b-Giants 7
5-Dodgers 6
Who looks more dominant, the Lakers or Yankees? Pretty easy if you ask me. Funny how we're arguing a team with more than twice as many titles as the nearest team compared to a team with less titles than the best team in it's own sport.
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and Larry Bird stays shitting on Magic and Kobe.
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and Larry Bird stays shitting on Magic and Kobe.
magic shittin on bird dates back to college, cuzz
in fact, magic shittin on bird is what shifted the tide in the laker-celtic rivalry
get mad.
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most titles in NBA history since 1949:
1-Celtics 17
2-Lakers 16
3-Bulls 6
4-Spurs 4
5a-Heat 3
5b-Pistons 3
meanwhile, let's check baseball's World Series going back to 1903 (minus a few years with no WS from strikes):
1-Yankees 27
2-Cardinals 11
3-Athletics 9
4a-Red Sox 7
4b-Giants 7
5-Dodgers 6
Who looks more dominant, the Lakers or Yankees? Pretty easy if you ask me. Funny how we're arguing a team with more than twice as many titles as the nearest team compared to a team with less titles than the best team in it's own sport.
notice how NIK ignores this
and Bird is better than Magic...just ask Lebron.
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most titles in NBA history since 1949:
1-Celtics 17
2-Lakers 16
3-Bulls 6
4-Spurs 4
5a-Heat 3
5b-Pistons 3
meanwhile, let's check baseball's World Series going back to 1903 (minus a few years with no WS from strikes):
1-Yankees 27
2-Cardinals 11
3-Athletics 9
4a-Red Sox 7
4b-Giants 7
5-Dodgers 6
Who looks more dominant, the Lakers or Yankees? Pretty easy if you ask me. Funny how we're arguing a team with more than twice as many titles as the nearest team compared to a team with less titles than the best team in it's own sport.
why since 1949? the league was already around for years before that...convenience? and why 1903 for the yankees? theyve been around since 1901. u just pullin up whatever helps ur argument?
and remember, we're arguing better franchises...laker franchise has 17 titles, no matter how u try spinnin it. 1 nbl title, 1 baa title, and 15 nba titles.........the only franchise that has won titles in 3 different leagues. unfucwitable.
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notice how NIK ignores this
u need 2 calm down with ur dubcc anxiety, hack...i was replyin 2 each post individually, as always.
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If you want more current names, which might be known more internationally,
Derek Jeter, Alex Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Andy Pettitte, Roger Clemens. Though some maybe cheats, they are known internationally.
Still nowhere close to as known as magic Johnson internationally
HA!
Oh, and you downplay Asia. Asia makes up for over 1/3 of the world's population. If a country plays Cricket (India with over 1.3 billion people) then they know American baseball. Trust me, I have lot of students who know about the Yankees over Lakers.
Plus, based off viewership, baseball is over basketball. This is global viewership.
http://www.clicktop10.com/2013/03/top-10-most-popular-sports-in-the-world/
FAIR ENOUGH...THEM ASIANS REALLY ARE POWER IN NUMBERS. BUT EVERY CONTINENT FUX WIT BASKETBALL, WHILE SOME DONT EVEN HAVE A CLUE WHAT BASEBALL IS. I'M PRETTY SURE BASKETBALL IS TAKING OVER OR IS AT LEAST CLOSE TO TAKING OVER AS THE 2ND MOST POPULAR SPORT WORLDWIDE.
To be fair, basketball will pass baseball in our lifetimes in the United States and globally. But right now baseball is more popular than basketball, Yankees have more titles than the Lakers, Babe Ruth is a larger cultural icon than Magic Johnson and Kobe is a bigger star than Jeter... :o Yep, it can all change in the future, but right now Jay's Yankee cap is bigger than Snoop's Laker gear.
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the Yankees were not the Yankees in 1901, do your research you silly Lakers homer.
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notice how NIK ignores this
u need 2 calm down with ur dubcc anxiety, hack...i was replyin 2 each post individually, as always.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1950.html
first recognied "NBA" season. quit making stuff up, you ain't from Dayton.
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and the Celtics never had to move, major points there
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notice how NIK ignores this
u need 2 calm down with ur dubcc anxiety, hack...i was replyin 2 each post individually, as always.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_1950.html
first recognied "NBA" season. quit making stuff up, you ain't from Dayton.
they just changed the name, genius lmao...click previous season. theres a reason the 50 year anniversary was in 1996 :stupid:
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and the Celtics never had to move, major points there
but yankees did...daymn, guess if we using retard points, yankees stand no chance.
good thing we only usin logic points, tho
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the Yankees were not the Yankees in 1901, do your research you silly Lakers homer.
it's still the same franchise, phoenix fan
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so you celebrate wins based in the midwest before the Lakers ever moved to LA? you never answered that.
anyways there's a reason why the NBA recognizes the celtics as the team with the most titles. fact.
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so you celebrate wins based in the midwest before the Lakers ever moved to LA? you never answered that.
anyways there's a reason why the NBA recognizes the celtics as the team with the most titles. fact.
yea, because the laker franchise started in detroit, moved to minneapolis, and finally found a home in LA. gotta embrace our past...why wouldnt i? i wouldnt even mention that if i were u, considerin u root for a team that doesnt even play in ur city.
and the reason the nba recognizes baa titles and not nbl titles is because the baa officially became the nba when the baa and nbl merged....thats all technical shit, tho, because they actually absorbed more nbl founded teams than baa founded teams.
if were arguing franchises, lakers have 17 titles as a franchise...and once again, have won titles/been relevant in every era and been champions of 3 seperate leagues. the hat-trick. cant fuck wit it.
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17 > 16
surprised your school systems out in Cali don't teach basic math
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NOT SPINNING ANYTHING...IM STATING FACTS. LEARN THE DIFFERENCE.
Of course you are. Everything I posted was a fact, as well. Learn the difference.
27 Rings > 16
27 Rings > 17
13 Losses > 15
27-13 > 16-15
27-13 > 17-15
27/101 < 16/65
27/101 < 17/65
16/65 < 17/65
17/65 = 17/65
27/101 > 11/102
These are all factual numbers
The most impressive? 27 Rings to 11.
The next best Baseball team needs 16 more rings to even tie the Yankees. The Lakers are behind (or tied depending who [NIK] you talk to) the Celtics. Based on this FACT and all of the other facts: Yankees are the best franchise ever in Sports.
Lastly,
Ruth. Mantle. DiMaggio. Gehrig. Jeter. Berra. Mattingly. Rivera. Jackson. > Johnson. Bryant. Jabbar. West. Baylor. O'Neal. Worthy. Goodrich. Chamberlain.
And when you look at that list for the Yankees, there's still so many players that I haven't even listed.
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also the Yankees have 16 more titles than the nearest team. Hard to refute that Nikki.
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true, Kobe Bryant has nothing on Mariano Rivera. Rivera is the best player ever at his position...Kobe? not even close.
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I've already spoken countlessly on this forum about the integrity of the NBA. It's embarrassing that two teams (Celtics and Lakers) have combined more titles than the rest of the league in history.
Even more that in theory, the Bulls could of won eight titles in one decade.
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NOT SPINNING ANYTHING...IM STATING FACTS. LEARN THE DIFFERENCE.
Of course you are. Everything I posted was a fact, as well. Learn the difference.
27 Rings > 16
27 Rings > 17
13 Losses > 15
27-13 > 16-15
27-13 > 17-15
27/101 < 16/65
27/101 < 17/65
16/65 < 17/65
17/65 = 17/65
27/101 > 11/102
These are all factual numbers
The most impressive? 27 Rings to 11.
The next best Baseball team needs 16 more rings to even tie the Yankees. The Lakers are behind (or tied depending who [NIK] you talk to) the Celtics. Based on this FACT and all of the other facts: Yankees are the best franchise ever in Sports.
Lastly,
Ruth. Mantle. DiMaggio. Gehrig. Jeter. Berra. Mattingly. Rivera. Jackson. > Johnson. Bryant. Jabbar. West. Baylor. O'Neal. Worthy. Goodrich. Chamberlain.
And when you look at that list for the Yankees, there's still so many players that I haven't even listed.
just because theres more competitive teams in basketball than there is in baseball doesnt change the fact that the lakers STILL have a higher success rate.
and at the end of the day, thats all it really comes down to
i do gota say, arguing baseball players vs basketball players with a ">" sign has to be one of the more retarded things i've witnessed in this sports section lol...and trust me, i've seen a lot of retardation around here. i know hack liked that one, tho
anyways, we just goin in circles...i really dont see the point. ur just gunna say "but the yankees have more titles and are more dominant" again, and im just gunna reply with "but the lakers have a higher success rate".........................................
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I've already spoken countlessly on this forum about the integrity of the NBA. It's embarrassing that two teams (Celtics and Lakers) have combined more titles than the rest of the league in history.
Even more that in theory, the Bulls could of won eight titles in one decade.
Yeah. Basketball is a Sport where 9 out of 10 times the team with the Best player at that time wins.
In Baseball, I direct your attention the 2011 Dodgers. Kemp was the 2nd runner up to Braun in the MVP race and Kershaw was the NL Cy Young. The team barely played .500. Baseball is a true team sport. You won't win based on the fact that you have a guy hitting 50+ home runs in a season, ask the Orioles. You won't win even if you have the best lights out pitcher.
just because theres more competitive teams in basketball than there is in baseball doesnt change the fact that the lakers STILL have a higher success rate.
and at the end of the day, thats all it really comes down to
i do gota say, arguing baseball players vs basketball players with a ">" sign has to be one of the more retarded things i've witnessed in this sports section lol...and trust me, i've seen a lot of retardation around here. i know hack liked that one, tho
anyways, we just goin in circles...i really dont see the point. ur just gunna say "but the yankees have more titles and are more dominant" again, and im just gunna reply with "but the lakers have a higher success rate".........................................
ANNNNNND now we know you've nothing else to say when the insults come out.
You must not understand Baseball at all if you think there are not that many competitive teams. Sorry, but that's a fact. You cannot sit here with a straight face and tell me you understand Baseball if you think that's true.
But, the fact remains, the Celtics have the same success rate as the Lakers and the Yankees are a mere 1.8% away.
What you fail to understand is that I'm not "arguing baseball players vs basketball players." I'm stating the fact that the Yankees have had many more ICONS/LEGENDS play for their squads, as opposed to the Lakers.
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I've already spoken countlessly on this forum about the integrity of the NBA. It's embarrassing that two teams (Celtics and Lakers) have combined more titles than the rest of the league in history.
Even more that in theory, the Bulls could of won eight titles in one decade.
Yeah. Basketball is a Sport where 9 out of 10 times the team with the Best player at that time wins.
In Baseball, I direct your attention the 2011 Dodgers. Kemp was the 2nd runner up to Braun in the MVP race and Kershaw was the NL Cy Young. The team barely played .500. Baseball is a true team sport. You won't win based on the fact that you have a guy hitting 50+ home runs in a season, ask the Orioles. You won't win even if you have the best lights out pitcher.
just because theres more competitive teams in basketball than there is in baseball doesnt change the fact that the lakers STILL have a higher success rate.
and at the end of the day, thats all it really comes down to
i do gota say, arguing baseball players vs basketball players with a ">" sign has to be one of the more retarded things i've witnessed in this sports section lol...and trust me, i've seen a lot of retardation around here. i know hack liked that one, tho
anyways, we just goin in circles...i really dont see the point. ur just gunna say "but the yankees have more titles and are more dominant" again, and im just gunna reply with "but the lakers have a higher success rate".........................................
ANNNNNND now we know you've nothing else to say when the insults come out.
You must not understand Baseball at all if you think there are not that many competitive teams. Sorry, but that's a fact. You cannot sit here with a straight face and tell me you understand Baseball if you think that's true.
But, the fact remains, the Celtics have the same success rate as the Lakers and the Yankees are a mere 1.8% away.
What you fail to understand is that I'm not "arguing baseball players vs basketball players." I'm stating the fact that the Yankees have had many more ICONS/LEGENDS play for their squads, as opposed to the Lakers.
insults? where did i insult u?? thats just how i speak mayn...if it offends u, im sorry, but my opinion stands. that shit is straight retarded. joe dimaggio>magic johnson...lmfao. what have we come to?? as far as them bein more iconic/legendary, magic, kobe, kareem, wilt etc have been just as important to their sport than the cats u mentioned were to baseball. if u like baseball better, dimaggio, ruth, etc. etc. are better...but if u like basketball better, then u goin with magic, kareem, etc. etc. all day. theyre all the best at what they did....like i said earlier, magic, kobe, shaq, kareem etc are more recognizable on a global scale. i bet kobe has sold more jerseys world-wide than babe ruth...can some1 look into that?
and what i was sayin was that just because the lakers have a franchise almost as good as them in the nba, while the yankees dont, should not take away from what the lakers accomplished. celtics are also better than any mlb franchise outside of the yankees, so that point is moot.
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You still don't get it though. I'm not comparing Joe DiMaggio's 56 Game Hitting Streak to Magic's career APG still being the highest in the league. That's exactly what I'm NOT doing.
What am I saying is: The amount of Legendary/Iconic Players on the Yankees > Lakers
They are all equally as important to their sport, but we're talking about some of these Yankee legends came before TV was showing Baseball, or just plain before a majority of people had TV.
We can't compare a "Global Impact" like Jersey sales. Of course Kobe is selling more jerseys than Babe Ruth. How are you even asking that? Kobe has played on TV his entire career, Babe Ruth was just a name on the Radio and a picture in the Paper. Is that what we've come to?
My entire point of listing players was to show the sheer amount of top notch players that graced a Yankee uniform for longer than a season or 2. Look at the Yankees list, it never falls off. The Laker list with names like Worthy and Goodrich doesn't stand as tall. 2 great players, sure, but they're not Mariano Rivera or Reggie Jackson in their sport. Hell, I don't think they're even Munson or Maris of their sport.
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You still don't get it though. I'm not comparing Joe DiMaggio's 56 Game Hitting Streak to Magic's career APG still being the highest in the league. That's exactly what I'm NOT doing.
What am I saying is: The amount of Legendary/Iconic Players on the Yankees > Lakers
They are all equally as important to their sport, but we're talking about some of these Yankee legends came before TV was showing Baseball, or just plain before a majority of people had TV.
We can't compare a "Global Impact" like Jersey sales. Of course Kobe is selling more jerseys than Babe Ruth. How are you even asking that? Kobe has played on TV his entire career, Babe Ruth was just a name on the Radio and a picture in the Paper. Is that what we've come to?
My entire point of listing players was to show the sheer amount of top notch players that graced a Yankee uniform for longer than a season or 2. Look at the Yankees list, it never falls off. The Laker list with names like Worthy and Goodrich doesn't stand as tall. 2 great players, sure, but they're not Mariano Rivera or Reggie Jackson in their sport. Hell, I don't think they're even Munson or Maris of their sport.
lol yes they are..i personally knew of james worthy way before any player on ur yankee list not named babe ruth. seriously, how many rappers have rapped the name james worthy? it's gotta be more than any yankee player.
but the point is, the names magic johnson, shaq and kobe bryant are easily globally as recognized as any yankee player EVER and then some...i bet the lakers also sell more merchandise than the yankees globally. lakers are simply a bigger brand, synonymous with coca-cola and mcdonalds..with merchandide and marketting, no one's touching the lakeshow..a straight empire. in about 20 years, a lot of kids probably wont even know who joe dimaggio was...baseball is seriously phasing out and is slowly becoming nothing more than a past-time, while basketball is rapidly growing internationally. it wont be long before the entire world officially recognizes the lakers as the GOAT sports franchise.
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You still don't get it though. I'm not comparing Joe DiMaggio's 56 Game Hitting Streak to Magic's career APG still being the highest in the league. That's exactly what I'm NOT doing.
What am I saying is: The amount of Legendary/Iconic Players on the Yankees > Lakers
They are all equally as important to their sport, but we're talking about some of these Yankee legends came before TV was showing Baseball, or just plain before a majority of people had TV.
We can't compare a "Global Impact" like Jersey sales. Of course Kobe is selling more jerseys than Babe Ruth. How are you even asking that? Kobe has played on TV his entire career, Babe Ruth was just a name on the Radio and a picture in the Paper. Is that what we've come to?
My entire point of listing players was to show the sheer amount of top notch players that graced a Yankee uniform for longer than a season or 2. Look at the Yankees list, it never falls off. The Laker list with names like Worthy and Goodrich doesn't stand as tall. 2 great players, sure, but they're not Mariano Rivera or Reggie Jackson in their sport. Hell, I don't think they're even Munson or Maris of their sport.
lol yes they are..i personally knew of james worthy way before any player on ur yankee list not named babe ruth. seriously, how many rappers have rapped the name james worthy? it's gotta be more than any yankee player.
but the point is, the names magic johnson, shaq and kobe bryant are easily globally as recognized as any yankee player EVER and then some...i bet the lakers also sell more merchandise than the yankees globally. lakers are simply a bigger brand, synonymous with coca-cola and mcdonalds..with merchandide and marketting, no one's touching the lakeshow..a straight empire. in about 20 years, a lot of kids probably wont even know who joe dimaggio was...baseball is seriously phasing out and is slowly becoming nothing more than a past-time, while basketball is rapidly growing internationally. it wont be long before the entire world officially recognizes the lakers as the GOAT sports franchise.
Man, Not according to Forbes. Forbes has the Yankees as #3 and the Lakers at #48 on value. Knicks are #1 selling merch of basketball teams, Yankees are #1 in baseball and #3 globally. So merch sales is a very BAD way to judge GOAT franchises.
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You still don't get it though. I'm not comparing Joe DiMaggio's 56 Game Hitting Streak to Magic's career APG still being the highest in the league. That's exactly what I'm NOT doing.
What am I saying is: The amount of Legendary/Iconic Players on the Yankees > Lakers
They are all equally as important to their sport, but we're talking about some of these Yankee legends came before TV was showing Baseball, or just plain before a majority of people had TV.
We can't compare a "Global Impact" like Jersey sales. Of course Kobe is selling more jerseys than Babe Ruth. How are you even asking that? Kobe has played on TV his entire career, Babe Ruth was just a name on the Radio and a picture in the Paper. Is that what we've come to?
My entire point of listing players was to show the sheer amount of top notch players that graced a Yankee uniform for longer than a season or 2. Look at the Yankees list, it never falls off. The Laker list with names like Worthy and Goodrich doesn't stand as tall. 2 great players, sure, but they're not Mariano Rivera or Reggie Jackson in their sport. Hell, I don't think they're even Munson or Maris of their sport.
lol yes they are..i personally knew of james worthy way before any player on ur yankee list not named babe ruth. seriously, how many rappers have rapped the name james worthy? it's gotta be more than any yankee player.
but the point is, the names magic johnson, shaq and kobe bryant are easily globally as recognized as any yankee player EVER and then some...i bet the lakers also sell more merchandise than the yankees globally. lakers are simply a bigger brand, synonymous with coca-cola and mcdonalds..with merchandide and marketting, no one's touching the lakeshow..a straight empire. in about 20 years, a lot of kids probably wont even know who joe dimaggio was...baseball is seriously phasing out and is slowly becoming nothing more than a past-time, while basketball is rapidly growing internationally. it wont be long before the entire world officially recognizes the lakers as the GOAT sports franchise.
Man, Not according to Forbes. Forbes has the Yankees as #3 and the Lakers at #48 on value. Knicks are #1 selling merch of basketball teams, Yankees are #1 in baseball and #3 globally. So merch sales is a very BAD way to judge GOAT franchises.
u tellin me yankees sell more merchandise world-wide than lakers? thats hard for me to believe..u got a source on that?
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^Asian niggas love their baseball.
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lol yes they are..i personally knew of james worthy way before any player on ur yankee list not named babe ruth. seriously, how many rappers have rapped the name james worthy? it's gotta be more than any yankee player.
but the point is, the names magic johnson, shaq and kobe bryant are easily globally as recognized as any yankee player EVER and then some...i bet the lakers also sell more merchandise than the yankees globally. lakers are simply a bigger brand, synonymous with coca-cola and mcdonalds..with merchandide and marketting, no one's touching the lakeshow..a straight empire. in about 20 years, a lot of kids probably wont even know who joe dimaggio was...baseball is seriously phasing out and is slowly becoming nothing more than a past-time, while basketball is rapidly growing internationally. it wont be long before the entire world officially recognizes the lakers as the GOAT sports franchise.
So because Rappers mention James Worthy, he's the Roger Maris of Basketball? Remember, Roger Maris owned the Home Run Record until McGwire and Sosa destroyed it. James Worthy does not have that lore in his Sport.
Remember, the Yankees have had the YES Network since 02. The Lakers just got their Network, there's a reason for that.
Finding info on Merchandise sales is tough but I've found these links:
http://www.forbes.com/teams/new-york-yankees/
http://www.bizofbaseball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=980&Itemid=42
http://www.forbes.com/nba-valuations/list/
http://www.forbes.com/mlb-valuations/list/
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You still don't get it though. I'm not comparing Joe DiMaggio's 56 Game Hitting Streak to Magic's career APG still being the highest in the league. That's exactly what I'm NOT doing.
What am I saying is: The amount of Legendary/Iconic Players on the Yankees > Lakers
They are all equally as important to their sport, but we're talking about some of these Yankee legends came before TV was showing Baseball, or just plain before a majority of people had TV.
We can't compare a "Global Impact" like Jersey sales. Of course Kobe is selling more jerseys than Babe Ruth. How are you even asking that? Kobe has played on TV his entire career, Babe Ruth was just a name on the Radio and a picture in the Paper. Is that what we've come to?
My entire point of listing players was to show the sheer amount of top notch players that graced a Yankee uniform for longer than a season or 2. Look at the Yankees list, it never falls off. The Laker list with names like Worthy and Goodrich doesn't stand as tall. 2 great players, sure, but they're not Mariano Rivera or Reggie Jackson in their sport. Hell, I don't think they're even Munson or Maris of their sport.
lol yes they are..i personally knew of james worthy way before any player on ur yankee list not named babe ruth. seriously, how many rappers have rapped the name james worthy? it's gotta be more than any yankee player.
but the point is, the names magic johnson, shaq and kobe bryant are easily globally as recognized as any yankee player EVER and then some...i bet the lakers also sell more merchandise than the yankees globally. lakers are simply a bigger brand, synonymous with coca-cola and mcdonalds..with merchandide and marketting, no one's touching the lakeshow..a straight empire. in about 20 years, a lot of kids probably wont even know who joe dimaggio was...baseball is seriously phasing out and is slowly becoming nothing more than a past-time, while basketball is rapidly growing internationally. it wont be long before the entire world officially recognizes the lakers as the GOAT sports franchise.
Man, Not according to Forbes. Forbes has the Yankees as #3 and the Lakers at #48 on value. Knicks are #1 selling merch of basketball teams, Yankees are #1 in baseball and #3 globally. So merch sales is a very BAD way to judge GOAT franchises.
u tellin me yankees sell more merchandise world-wide than lakers? thats hard for me to believe..u got a source on that?
Yes. And I said Forbes. But please don't have me post the proof. Because it's really, really bad for the Lakers. Let's just say the list is heavy NFL, the Yankees are the top American team, soccer is of course the dominate sport and basketball doesn't see the list until really low, and the Lakers ARE NOT the top merch seller in basketball.
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You still don't get it though. I'm not comparing Joe DiMaggio's 56 Game Hitting Streak to Magic's career APG still being the highest in the league. That's exactly what I'm NOT doing.
What am I saying is: The amount of Legendary/Iconic Players on the Yankees > Lakers
They are all equally as important to their sport, but we're talking about some of these Yankee legends came before TV was showing Baseball, or just plain before a majority of people had TV.
We can't compare a "Global Impact" like Jersey sales. Of course Kobe is selling more jerseys than Babe Ruth. How are you even asking that? Kobe has played on TV his entire career, Babe Ruth was just a name on the Radio and a picture in the Paper. Is that what we've come to?
My entire point of listing players was to show the sheer amount of top notch players that graced a Yankee uniform for longer than a season or 2. Look at the Yankees list, it never falls off. The Laker list with names like Worthy and Goodrich doesn't stand as tall. 2 great players, sure, but they're not Mariano Rivera or Reggie Jackson in their sport. Hell, I don't think they're even Munson or Maris of their sport.
lol yes they are..i personally knew of james worthy way before any player on ur yankee list not named babe ruth. seriously, how many rappers have rapped the name james worthy? it's gotta be more than any yankee player.
but the point is, the names magic johnson, shaq and kobe bryant are easily globally as recognized as any yankee player EVER and then some...i bet the lakers also sell more merchandise than the yankees globally. lakers are simply a bigger brand, synonymous with coca-cola and mcdonalds..with merchandide and marketting, no one's touching the lakeshow..a straight empire. in about 20 years, a lot of kids probably wont even know who joe dimaggio was...baseball is seriously phasing out and is slowly becoming nothing more than a past-time, while basketball is rapidly growing internationally. it wont be long before the entire world officially recognizes the lakers as the GOAT sports franchise.
Man, Not according to Forbes. Forbes has the Yankees as #3 and the Lakers at #48 on value. Knicks are #1 selling merch of basketball teams, Yankees are #1 in baseball and #3 globally. So merch sales is a very BAD way to judge GOAT franchises.
u tellin me yankees sell more merchandise world-wide than lakers? thats hard for me to believe..u got a source on that?
Yes. And I said Forbes. But please don't have me post the proof. Because it's really, really bad for the Lakers. Let's just say the list is heavy NFL, the Yankees are the top American team, soccer is of course the dominate sport and basketball doesn't see the list until really low, and the Lakers ARE NOT the top merch seller in basketball.
lol quit actin like u aint in on this to shit on the lakers..."please dont have me post the list, because it'll show that the lakers do really, really bad........oh wait" lmmfao
foreal, tho, laker brand is still the strongest in the nba...we didnt sell the most jerseys last year cuz every1 already has their laker jerseys. but thats only in america. i can guarantee lakers sell the most merchandise world-wide.
i guess yankees get more love overseas than i thought.. but it's funny- i guess being in LA, i never see any yankee gear anywhere...i mean, u even see dallas cowboy gear, miami heat gear, even celtic gear....but rarely will u catch some1 repping yankees out here.
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u tellin me yankees sell more merchandise world-wide than lakers? thats hard for me to believe..u got a source on that?
In 2012 and 2013 the Yankees had Ichiro Suzuki and Hiroki Kuroda on their team. There's an easy profit from the Japanese market and a few million units of merchandise sold right there.
Plus the Yankees had the pride of Panama (Rivera) and the Dominican Republic (Cano). The Yankees have got foreign countries buying their shit and supporting their countrymen who are representing their countries and competing against the best of the very best.
Meanwhile how many non US countries can claim that their countrymen are playing for the Lakers and buy Lakers merch to support them?
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u tellin me yankees sell more merchandise world-wide than lakers? thats hard for me to believe..u got a source on that?
In 2012 and 2013 the Yankees had Ichiro Suzuki and Hiroki Kuroda on their team. There's an easy profit from the Japanese market and a few million units of merchandise sold right there.
Plus the Yankees had the pride of Panama (Rivera) and the Dominican Republic (Cano). The Yankees have got foreign countries buying their shit and supporting their countrymen who are representing their countries and competing against the best of the very best.
Meanwhile how many non US countries can claim that their countrymen are playing for the Lakers and buy Lakers merch to support them?
pau gasol=spain
steve nash, robert sacre=canada
chris kaman, ellias harris=germany
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You still don't get it though. I'm not comparing Joe DiMaggio's 56 Game Hitting Streak to Magic's career APG still being the highest in the league. That's exactly what I'm NOT doing.
What am I saying is: The amount of Legendary/Iconic Players on the Yankees > Lakers
They are all equally as important to their sport, but we're talking about some of these Yankee legends came before TV was showing Baseball, or just plain before a majority of people had TV.
We can't compare a "Global Impact" like Jersey sales. Of course Kobe is selling more jerseys than Babe Ruth. How are you even asking that? Kobe has played on TV his entire career, Babe Ruth was just a name on the Radio and a picture in the Paper. Is that what we've come to?
My entire point of listing players was to show the sheer amount of top notch players that graced a Yankee uniform for longer than a season or 2. Look at the Yankees list, it never falls off. The Laker list with names like Worthy and Goodrich doesn't stand as tall. 2 great players, sure, but they're not Mariano Rivera or Reggie Jackson in their sport. Hell, I don't think they're even Munson or Maris of their sport.
lol yes they are..i personally knew of james worthy way before any player on ur yankee list not named babe ruth. seriously, how many rappers have rapped the name james worthy? it's gotta be more than any yankee player.
but the point is, the names magic johnson, shaq and kobe bryant are easily globally as recognized as any yankee player EVER and then some...i bet the lakers also sell more merchandise than the yankees globally. lakers are simply a bigger brand, synonymous with coca-cola and mcdonalds..with merchandide and marketting, no one's touching the lakeshow..a straight empire. in about 20 years, a lot of kids probably wont even know who joe dimaggio was...baseball is seriously phasing out and is slowly becoming nothing more than a past-time, while basketball is rapidly growing internationally. it wont be long before the entire world officially recognizes the lakers as the GOAT sports franchise.
Man, Not according to Forbes. Forbes has the Yankees as #3 and the Lakers at #48 on value. Knicks are #1 selling merch of basketball teams, Yankees are #1 in baseball and #3 globally. So merch sales is a very BAD way to judge GOAT franchises.
u tellin me yankees sell more merchandise world-wide than lakers? thats hard for me to believe..u got a source on that?
Yes. And I said Forbes. But please don't have me post the proof. Because it's really, really bad for the Lakers. Let's just say the list is heavy NFL, the Yankees are the top American team, soccer is of course the dominate sport and basketball doesn't see the list until really low, and the Lakers ARE NOT the top merch seller in basketball.
lol quit actin like u aint in on this to shit on the lakers..."please dont have me post the list, because it'll show that the lakers do really, really bad........oh wait" lmmfao
foreal, tho, laker brand is still the strongest in the nba...we didnt sell the most jerseys last year cuz every1 already has their laker jerseys. but thats only in america. i can guarantee lakers sell the most merchandise world-wide.
i guess yankees get more love overseas than i thought.. but it's funny- i guess being in LA, i never see any yankee gear anywhere...i mean, u even see dallas cowboy gear, miami heat gear, even celtic gear....but rarely will u catch some1 repping yankees out here.
the knicks are the top team in the nba slangin merchandise nikky give it up
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NIK, did you really just say Bryant was better than Jordan at age 34? smh
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NIK, did you really just say Bryant was better than Jordan at age 34? smh
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Yea and not just by a little.. U even watch Kobe last year?
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i guess yankees get more love overseas than i thought.. but it's funny- i guess being in LA, i never see any yankee gear anywhere...i mean, u even see dallas cowboy gear, miami heat gear, even celtic gear....but rarely will u catch some1 repping yankees out here.
Remember that Baseball is huge in Latin America, also.
I am constantly seeing people with Yankee hats, shirts, stickers etc. as I drive around. You have to remember that L.A. is not the Sports town that NY, Chicago, Boston or Philly is. We have a lot of transplants out here and they bring their fandom with them. We also just have a ton of people who follow what is popular. But, on a regular basis, in any Southern California (San Diego excluded) town the merchandise you will see: Dodgers, Lakers, Raiders, Cowboys, USC & UCLA in that order. In the O.C. and cities surrounding, you'll see Angels gear. When the Playoffs come around, you start seeing the Kings jerseys. And over the last few years, Clippers jerseys.
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did Kobe drop 28 ppg and win an NBA title like MJ did at age 34?
no, he got injured like most old guys do.
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did Kobe drop 28 ppg and win an NBA title like MJ did at age 34?
no, he got injured like most old guys do.
Kobe did more, carried a heavier load, didnt have the luxury of playin on a 50 win team without him like mj did.... Admit it, u don't know what the fuck u talkin bout, u just hate Kobe
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LMAO so Jordan carrying a team to the NBA finals isn't a heavy load? jesus man you need to take your own advice and admit you hate MJ :D
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i guess yankees get more love overseas than i thought.. but it's funny- i guess being in LA, i never see any yankee gear anywhere...i mean, u even see dallas cowboy gear, miami heat gear, even celtic gear....but rarely will u catch some1 repping yankees out here.
Remember that Baseball is huge in Latin America, also.
I am constantly seeing people with Yankee hats, shirts, stickers etc. as I drive around. You have to remember that L.A. is not the Sports town that NY, Chicago, Boston or Philly is. We have a lot of transplants out here and they bring their fandom with them. We also just have a ton of people who follow what is popular. But, on a regular basis, in any Southern California (San Diego excluded) town the merchandise you will see: Dodgers, Lakers, Raiders, Cowboys, USC & UCLA in that order. In the O.C. and cities surrounding, you'll see Angels gear. When the Playoffs come around, you start seeing the Kings jerseys. And over the last few years, Clippers jerseys.
I'll tell u this about the lakeshow, we have more fans in other cities than any other teams n it's not even close
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Yankees have more fans worldwide by far
Babe Ruth and Lou Gehrig showed the japs how to play baseball in 1934. 18 game exhibition and Ruth hit 13 homers.
Afterwards he said funny stuff like "the baseball at is as big as the japs" and "the fans didn't know the rules so they cheered for good and bad plays"
lol
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LMAO so Jordan carrying a team to the NBA finals isn't a heavy load? jesus man you need to take your own advice and admit you hate MJ :D
He doesn't "hate" anybody. He just gets really emotional & biased towards people that effect Kobe.
Magic is a "Laker hater", so it's the cop out where if he says something bad he's the "hater" & the praise becomes "EVEN THIS HATER CAN'T DENY THIS".
LeBron used to "not win"...now that he wins he "just has less rings"; so he's done.
MJ, just "wasn't as good...eye test"; so MJ is out.
Dwight "fucked over" Kobe while he had the best roster to to bottom he's had since Shaq days, so now Dwight is just "awful"; GM's would be stupid to blindly take Dwight over Asik.
There's an excuse for everything. Always has been, always will be. Kobe will do no wrong & Kobe will always walk out of a debate on here, the "better man".
I've seen whoisthis just flat out DOMINATE threads to a scary degree & it just goes nowhere because even stat, facts, eye tests, analyst's opinions & all sorts of dead ends just turn into "moot points" because it's vs. Kobe.
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keene observation there Cham
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LMAO so Jordan carrying a team to the NBA finals isn't a heavy load? jesus man you need to take your own advice and admit you hate MJ :D
He doesn't "hate" anybody. He just gets really emotional & biased towards people that effect Kobe.
Magic is a "Laker hater", so it's the cop out where if he says something bad he's the "hater" & the praise becomes "EVEN THIS HATER CAN'T DENY THIS".
LeBron used to "not win"...now that he wins he "just has less rings"; so he's done.
MJ, just "wasn't as good...eye test"; so MJ is out.
Dwight "fucked over" Kobe while he had the best roster to to bottom he's had since Shaq days, so now Dwight is just "awful"; GM's would be stupid to blindly take Dwight over Asik.
There's an excuse for everything. Always has been, always will be. Kobe will do no wrong & Kobe will always walk out of a debate on here, the "better man".
I've seen whoisthis just flat out DOMINATE threads to a scary degree & it just goes nowhere because even stat, facts, eye tests, analyst's opinions & all sorts of dead ends just turn into "moot points" because it's vs. Kobe.
u just mad cuz kobe > lebron.. it's obvious, my boy. say what u will but i actually hold mj in a high regard. i also think lebron is a beast, just dont hold him in the same regard as kobe, jordan, magic, bird, kareem etc.......and every1 knows dwight is a bietch, so fall back
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dismissing Lebron at his age right now is very foolish. He has several years left in his prime and will eventually make his way to everyone's top 5 except for NIK and butt hurt Laker fans.
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I'm not really mad because I & pretty much everyone who lives outside of Ohio & California know that when it's all said and done, we know who will be regarded as better.
I was more pointing out that having the debate at all is just a waste of time because no matter what facts are presented, they're just twisted.
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I'm not really mad because I & pretty much everyone who lives outside of Ohio & California know that when it's all said and done, we know who will be regarded as better.
LMAO