West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: rik on November 06, 2006, 03:59:27 PM
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So who are your favorite teams? Mine's are:
Football: 49ers (Die Hard)
Basketball: Lakers (Die Hard)
Baseball: Dodgers (Die Hard)
I don't really watch hockey but I like to see the Kings do good. I don't really watch soccer that much anymore except for the world cup and when the National teams play and I go for Mexico. But when I do watch the Mexican League it was Chivas.
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they is
nfl: Stl RAMS
nba: Philly Sixers
ncaaf: Usc Trojans
ncaab: Uconn
mlb: A's
-There aren't any "home" teams for me because of where I live so I had to choose my teams awhile back in elementary school...I'd say im the most hardcore fan for the Trojans, Rams and Sixers...
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I'm diehard for all, so I would type that.
Basketball: Lakers
Football: Raiders
Baseball: Angels
College Football: Norte Dame
College Basketball: UCLA
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What is the step up from diehard?
Coz I'm about 100 steps up from that for:
Football: Celtic
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NBA: Clippers
NFL: Jaguars (If LA Ever Gets a Team, I Will Be Loyal To Them)
MLB: Angels
NHL: Canucks
MLS: Galaxy
NCAA: Bruins (UCLA)
AFL: Avengers
ABA: It Was the Southern Cali Legends (I played with/knew people on the team, but the team changed leagues and were dropped) - So now, Its the Hollywood Fame (Nick Lachey's Team)
D-League: Anaheim Arsenal
Single A Baseball: Rancho Cucamonga Quakes
And yes, i follow almost every team (except the canucks, hockey just aint really my thing, back in the day of roller hockey it was, but i lost interest quick, but they will remain my team)
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1 team and 1 team only!!!
Football: Celtic
Get the brits out...
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Raptors, Blue Jays, Leafs, Steelers, Giants & Bills
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Baseball - Mets... I bleed blue and orange
Basketball - Bulls
Football - Dolphins
Hockey - Rangers
College BBall - St. Johns
College Football - Michigan
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NBA~LAKERS L'UP ALL DAY EVERYDAYS
NFL~RAIDERS BUT WATING FOR A L.A. TEAM NFL
MLB DODGERS~ (THINK BLUE) ALL DAY EVERYDAYS
COLLEGE BASKETBALL~ UCLA ALL DAY EVERYDAYS
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MLB : San Francisco Giants DIE HARD
NFL : San Francisco 49ers DIE HARD
NBA : Indiana Pacers DIE HARD
NCAA Basketball : North Carolina DIE HARD
NCAA Football : Alabama (not as die hard as I was but I still follow them all year)
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Basketball: Lakers & Clippers
Football: Raiders
Baseball: Dodgers
College Football: USC
College Basketball: UCLA
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Basketball: Lakers
Football: Chargers
Fuck other sports
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Football: Redskins
Basketball: Rockets
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Football: 49ers
Baseball: Gaints
Basketbal: Warriors
Hockey: Sharks
Rugby: Fiji
Soccer: Barcelona/Senagal
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NBA~LAKERS L'UP ALL DAY EVERYDAYS
NFL~RAIDERS BUT WATING FOR A L.A. TEAM NFL
MLB DODGERS~ (THINK BLUE) ALL DAY EVERYDAYS
COLLEGE BASKETBALL~ UCLA ALL DAY EVERYDAYS
pretty much my teams also.i hope L.A gets a football team soon cus its getting harder to root for the raiders every season since their super bowl appearence.but still radier nation ;D
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NBA~LAKERS L'UP ALL DAY EVERYDAYS
NFL~RAIDERS BUT WATING FOR A L.A. TEAM NFL
MLB DODGERS~ (THINK BLUE) ALL DAY EVERYDAYS
COLLEGE BASKETBALL~ UCLA ALL DAY EVERYDAYS
pretty much my teams also.i hope L.A gets a football team soon cus its getting harder to root for the raiders every season since their super bowl appearence.but still radier nation ;D
thats was up 8)
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MLB- Atlanta Braves
NFL-Minnesota Vikings
NBA-L.A. Lakers
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Football: Niners
Basketball: Warriors
Baseball: Don't really watch it but I support both the Giants and the A's
Soccer: My family is half and half in the Mexican Soccer League. They like the Chivas and America. But I'd have to go with America just cuz of Blanco.
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Football: Niners
Basketball: Warriors
Baseball: Don't really watch it but I support both the Giants and the A's
Soccer: My family is half and half in the Mexican Soccer League. They like the Chivas and America. But I'd have to go with America just cuz of Blanco.
Fuck America and fuck Blanco. CHIVAS!
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^lol
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NBA: Lakers, Raptors
NFL: Chargers, Rams, Packers
NCAAF: Trojans
Not a big fan of the other sports
MLB: Dodgers
NHL: Maple Leafs, Flames, Canadians
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Where yuo from Malik??
Nhl - Montreal canadiens = religion
Mlb - montreal expos ( rip ) now it would be the white sox or the A's
NbA - Miami Heat
Nfl - Varies from year to year but i do like The colts, The eagles i just basicly like to watch good football games between good teams since i dont have a team in my city. Growing up i was always a l.a raiders ( Bo Jackson) or oakland Raiders ( Tim Borwn, Rich Ganon) fan but its hard nowadyas.
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NBA-Lakers
NFL- Cowboys and Raiders (i know it's hard but you gotta keep reppin)
MLB- Angels and Dodgers
NCAAF- USC
NCAAB- UCLA
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Basketball - LAkers
Football - STL Rams
Baseball - Angels
NCAA - UCLA - UNC
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Die Hards on all
NFL - Broncos
NBA - Lakers
NASCAR - Jeff Gordon
F1 - Team ferrari
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Football : Rangers Football Club
8)
I know that people would have a team in different sports, but a diehard for them all? I imagine that there is the chance of more than one sport playing on the same day in this case is there one sport/team that is liked more, if so how can you be a diehard for more than one team/sport ???
Or is my opinion of diehard different from what some people on the board mean?
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Football/"Soccer": Wolverhampton Wanderers
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1 team and 1 team only!!!
Football: Celtic
Get the brits out...
Brits out of where? Ireland or Scotland the place that Celtic play their football in
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NBA - Bucks
NFL - Patriots
MLB - Red Sox
NHL - Canadiens
NCAAF - Notre Dame
NCAAB - Duke
NCAAH - Maine
Golf - Tiger Woods
Nascar - Dale Earnhardt Jr.
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Where yuo from Malik??
Right now I live in San Diego, CA, but I was raised in Winnipeg.
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NBA : Lakers (since 93, die hard)
Soccer : FC Metz (die hard)
I like Lyon too, mostly support them in the CL
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Football - Tottenham.. always have and always will :D
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Check my sig. 8)
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Diehard
Football: Tottenham Hotspur
Follow
Football: Villarreal (well actually wherever Riquelme goes, he's been there a while now so I am starting to get quite attached to them)
NBA: Orlando Magic (used to be really into them back in the mid nineties, was a big Penny Hardaway fan, then Mcgrady, went to see them versus the Knicks when I went on a family holiday to Orlando, haven't seen as much of them in the last couple of years though)
F1: Williams (had Mansell, Hill, Villeneuve and Montoya, some of my favourite drivers and I always like to see them doing well)
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lol yall notice the difference between americans and europeans? Americans support more then one team while europeans only support one team.
Btr my team i support is Feyenoord off course. 8)
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Football : Rangers Football Club
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I know that people would have a team in different sports, but a diehard for them all? I imagine that there is the chance of more than one sport playing on the same day in this case is there one sport/team that is liked more, if so how can you be a diehard for more than one team/sport ???
Or is my opinion of diehard different from what some people on the board mean?
Thats true, imo you can only support 1 team die hard. Sure you can follow other teams, but its one team thats in your heart, where you grew up with.
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Arsenal Football Club, only
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So who are your favorite teams? Mine's are:
Football: 49ers (Die Hard)
Basketball: Lakers (Die Hard)
Baseball: Dodgers (Die Hard)
I don't really watch hockey but I like to see the Kings do good. I don't really watch soccer that much anymore except for the world cup and when the National teams play and I go for Mexico. But when I do watch the Mexican League it was Chivas.
Die Hard:
Lakers
Rest:
Dodgers
Raiders
Kings
Galaxy
UCLA
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Football : Rangers Football Club
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I know that people would have a team in different sports, but a diehard for them all? I imagine that there is the chance of more than one sport playing on the same day in this case is there one sport/team that is liked more, if so how can you be a diehard for more than one team/sport ???
Or is my opinion of diehard different from what some people on the board mean?
I agree, I think most people who listed themselves under die hard numerous times don't even know what a die hard fan is...
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lol yall notice the difference between americans and europeans? Americans support more then one team while europeans only support one team.
No true...I live in America and the only team I actually care for is the Lakers...I want the rest on my list to win in their sport and rep my city, but it doesn't move me if they don't.
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Clippers
Jets/Colts/Patriots
I've never really been the person to rep for a team just cuz it was in my city. Before the Clippers, I used to be a Rockets fan. Before that, Hornets. I was a Bulls fan. But I was also a Lakers fan.
I've never liked a Los Angeles football team (when we had one). Didn't really care for the Dodgers (was more of a Yankees/Braves fan). I guess I like the team for the team, not their location.
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alot of Lakers love 8)
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Celtic FC. Forever and always.
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That's ridiculous to say you can't be a die hard fan for two teams when they are in different sports.
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That's ridiculous to say you can't be a die hard fan for two teams when they are in different sports.
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I'm travelling from Glasgow, Scotland to Copenhagen, Denmark to watch Celtic play in December.
I highly doubt you supposed "diehard" fans travel from state to state let alone country to country to watch your team play.
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I'm travelling from Glasgow, Scotland to Copenhagen, Denmark to watch Celtic play in December.
I highly doubt you supposed "diehard" fans travel from state to state let alone country to country to watch your team play.
im a diehard arizona fan for sure, but i dont travel to their games when they are out of state.. its because i cant afford to do that because of lack of money and time. if i had time and money i would be right their behind coach olson though. ;D
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I would travel anywhere to see Wolverhampton Wanderers play, but the last time we left the British Isles was in 1993 for the Anglo-Italian Cup ;D
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I'm travelling from Glasgow, Scotland to Copenhagen, Denmark to watch Celtic play in December.
I highly doubt you supposed "diehard" fans travel from state to state let alone country to country to watch your team play.
im a diehard arizona fan for sure, but i dont travel to their games when they are out of state.. its because i cant afford to do that because of lack of money and time. if i had time and money i would be right their behind coach olson though. ;D
I don't have the money for it, that's what an overdraft is for. ;D
Use the bank's money now then pay it back later.
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I'm travelling from Glasgow, Scotland to Copenhagen, Denmark to watch Celtic play in December.
I highly doubt you supposed "diehard" fans travel from state to state let alone country to country to watch your team play.
im a diehard arizona fan for sure, but i dont travel to their games when they are out of state.. its because i cant afford to do that because of lack of money and time. if i had time and money i would be right their behind coach olson though. ;D
I don't have the money for it, that's what an overdraft is for. ;D
Use the bank's money now then pay it back later.
I'd rather save that money for school, groceries, and women so I can get some pussy. But to each man his own. :P ;D
The Lakers are the only team in any sport that I call myself a diehard fan.
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I highly doubt you supposed "diehard" fans travel from state to state let alone country to country to watch your team play.
Actually, I do, so slap yourself.
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I highly doubt you supposed "diehard" fans travel from state to state let alone country to country to watch your team play.
Actually, I do, so slap yourself.
Nah you're wrong there homie.
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I highly doubt you supposed "diehard" fans travel from state to state let alone country to country to watch your team play.
Actually, I do, so slap yourself.
Nah you're wrong there homie.
Huh? How so?...I've traveled to see the Lakers play.
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I highly doubt you supposed "diehard" fans travel from state to state let alone country to country to watch your team play.
Actually, I do, so slap yourself.
Nah you're wrong there homie.
Huh? How so?...I've traveled to see the Lakers play.
Oh shit...My bad...read that shit wrong...so faded right now.
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I highly doubt you supposed "diehard" fans travel from state to state let alone country to country to watch your team play.
Actually, I do, so slap yourself.
Nah you're wrong there homie.
Huh? How so?...I've traveled to see the Lakers play.
Oh shit...My bad...read that shit wrong...so faded right now.
LOL. What'd you think I said?
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NBA - Orlando Magic
NFL - Dallas Cowboys <---Die Hard
MLB - Washington Senators since theres no more Expos
College Football - Florida State <--- Die Hard
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I highly doubt you supposed "diehard" fans travel from state to state let alone country to country to watch your team play.
Actually, I do, so slap yourself.
Nah you're wrong there homie.
Huh? How so?...I've traveled to see the Lakers play.
Oh shit...My bad...read that shit wrong...so faded right now.
LOL. What'd you think I said?
LOL...I thought you were replying to this qoute:
That's ridiculous to say you can't be a die hard fan for two teams when they are in different sports.
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DIE HARD FOR ALL TEAMS!
Ohio State Football
UCLA basketball
Kings
49ers
Sf Giants
Fresno State fan of all sports cuz i live here...
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I highly doubt you supposed "diehard" fans travel from state to state let alone country to country to watch your team play.
Actually, I do, so slap yourself.
Nah you're wrong there homie.
Huh? How so?...I've traveled to see the Lakers play.
Oh shit...My bad...read that shit wrong...so faded right now.
LOL. What'd you think I said?
LOL...I thought you were replying to this qoute:
That's ridiculous to say you can't be a die hard fan for two teams when they are in different sports.
LOL, yea, you were definitely blazed... 8)
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I highly doubt you supposed "diehard" fans travel from state to state let alone country to country to watch your team play.
Actually, I do, so slap yourself.
Nah you're wrong there homie.
Huh? How so?...I've traveled to see the Lakers play.
Oh shit...My bad...read that shit wrong...so faded right now.
LOL. What'd you think I said?
LOL...I thought you were replying to this qoute:
That's ridiculous to say you can't be a die hard fan for two teams when they are in different sports.
LOL, yea, you were definitely blazed... 8)
Tell me about it...three blunts, and like four hits of the gravity bong...super blown.
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Ok with the die-hard thing ; Soccer ; Travel all around France to watch my team, in Europe when we were playing in Uefa back in the day
B- Ball; wake up the night, even when I go to college, got a exam or whatever to watch the Lakers, plus went to LA too to attend games...
Well you can't be a die-hard fans of several teams ::)
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I truly believe you CANT be a die-hard fan of several teams in the same sport/league.
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I truly believe you CANT be a die-hard fan of several teams in the same sport/league.
yep I agree with that.... but you can be a die- hard of 2 teams in different sport, outside my two teams I don't care about results of teams I just appreciate
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I truly believe you CANT be a die-hard fan of several teams in the same sport/league.
Of course not, but you can be a die hard fan of teams in different sports.
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I truly believe you CANT be a die-hard fan of several teams in the same sport/league.
Of course not, but you can be a die hard fan of teams in different sports.
Yup...But the more teams you have, the less die-hard you get, especially people with like 10 teams... that's my opinion at least, I'm sure it's not the same for everyone.
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not really baseball season is gets into gear when basketball is over, football season gets into gear when baseball is over, and basketball gets into gear when football is over. unless all of your teams win the championship/go deep into the playoffs you can pull it off. also a lot of baseball games are broadcast in the day time , until playoff time and usually don't interfer with football because they're for the most part played on sunday after noon with the exception of 2 games , 1 monday night 1 sunday night game. and basketball is usually played at 7:30 at night so it works out 99.9 % of the time
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My teams:
Basketball: Lakers (Die Hard), since birth
Baseball: Angels, since the Wally Joyner/Devon White days. I'm not as hard core an Angel fan as I am a Laker fan but I'm definitely a fan, I've been to a few games.
College: A very lukewarm UCLA basketball fan, I mean very lukewarm.
I watch football games on occasion but I don't have a team to root for.
Hockey, I guess you could say Kings, I watched a few Kings games on TV back when Gretzky was on the team but I never really got into it like that.
I've been to a Dodger game, 4 Clipper games and a mighty ducks game, but I'm not really a fan of either teams.
So for me, it's Laker purple and gold and Angel red.
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Basketball: Magic
Football: Rams
Baseball: Dodgers
NCAA B-Ball: UCLA
NCAA F-Ball: UCLA
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not really baseball season is gets into gear when basketball is over, football season gets into gear when baseball is over, and basketball gets into gear when football is over. unless all of your teams win the championship/go deep into the playoffs you can pull it off. also a lot of baseball games are broadcast in the day time , until playoff time and usually don't interfer with football because they're for the most part played on sunday after noon with the exception of 2 games , 1 monday night 1 sunday night game. and basketball is usually played at 7:30 at night so it works out 99.9 % of the time
exactly and if it does come down to two of your teams playing at the same time you flip the channel through both games. With the game of most importance being watched more.
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I highly doubt you supposed "diehard" fans travel from state to state let alone country to country to watch your team play.
Actually, I do, so slap yourself.
Fair enough, if you do. But you will be an exception to the rule.
Most of the so-called "diehards" on here prolly watch every game of their team and think that makes them a diehard.
Where have you travelled to?
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In this order:
Lakers
USC
Raiders (Kinda mad at them for moving around like whores so much so I'm just waiting for L.A. to get a team)
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I highly doubt you supposed "diehard" fans travel from state to state let alone country to country to watch your team play.
Actually, I do, so slap yourself.
Fair enough, if you do. But you will be an exception to the rule.
Most of the so-called "diehards" on here prolly watch every game of their team and think that makes them a diehard.
Where have you travelled to?
I went to Porto, Rosenborg away games O'Neills second season and i went to Seville. 3 of the worst nights of my life. lol
I stay in NZ now, but i do pay to watch games through channel 67, get all the strips etc sent over 2 me, so id still call myself a "die-hard" even if i cant make it 2 the games. Got a savings account for champions league final (just incase. lol) if tht fails, then am gon 2 paris for the Scotland game wit the money.
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I highly doubt you supposed "diehard" fans travel from state to state let alone country to country to watch your team play.
Actually, I do, so slap yourself.
Fair enough, if you do. But you will be an exception to the rule.
Most of the so-called "diehards" on here prolly watch every game of their team and think that makes them a diehard.
Where have you travelled to?
I went to Porto, Rosenborg away games O'Neills second season and i went to Seville. 3 of the worst nights of my life. lol
I stay in NZ now, but i do pay to watch games through channel 67, get all the strips etc sent over 2 me, so id still call myself a "die-hard" even if i cant make it 2 the games. Got a savings account for champions league final (just incase. lol) if tht fails, then am gon 2 paris for the Scotland game wit the money.
I think it's harder for ppl who live in NZ/Australia to be diehard fans.
Obviously it would be much more costly for u to make it to copenhagen than me.
I believe u r a diehard tho. :)
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Die Hard Fan
Football: Green Bay Packers - Die Hard....im going to drive 2000 fuckin miles to watch em play 2 games in december
NCAA Football: Notre Dame Fighting Irish - Die Hard..planning a trip next year to see them
MLB - Yankees - watch em play in Seattle half a dozen times now and a couple times in Toronto...planning to watch em play next year at Yankee stadium
Other Teams
Hockey - Vancouver Canucks
Basketball - Timberwolves lol
Soccer - Manchester United <---they only showed them play on tv when I was younger...so i like em lol
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nfl raiders
mlb a's
nba warriors
nhl sharks
ncaa cal bears grew up 5 minutes from oakland coliseum so it wasn't really a choice
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MLB - Chicago Cubs
NFL - Chicago Bears
NBA - Chicago Bulls
NHL - Chicago Blackhawks
NCAA - North Carolina
Anyone notice a trend? By the way, I follow UNC because I got into college sports the same time Jordan blew up, and I've been following them ever since.
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Football - Manchester United
I also watch nba and nhl a lot, but I don't have any specific team that I cheer for....
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I'm an Indy guy.
Colts, Pacers, IU are my teams to follow. Always liked the Bears, Bengals and Cubs too. Not diehard fans of those 3, but enjoy seeing them succeed.
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PRO
NFL - Titans/Chargers
NBA - Warriors/Knicks
MLB - Yankees
College
Football - UNLV
Basketball - UCLA
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NBA: Los Angeles Lakers
NFL: San Diego Chargers
fuck soccer
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fuck soccer
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NBA: Los Angeles Lakers
NFL: San Diego Chargers
fuck soccer
Soccer > > > > > Your favourite sport.
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Stop calling it soccer!
Now, the reason I am surprised is that football is a minority sport in the States. I frequently see comments such as ‘soccer is gay’ and so on from an ignorant section of our American friends. It seems that most sports fans in America prefer a game that evolved from the British - largely upper class - game of rugby… and they have decided to strap on loads of padding, change the name of our game and insist that our sport is for girls. This grates a little with those who follow the majority sport in the world, and is another sign that certain (unfortunately vocal) Americans are arrogant… and downright f**king rude.
Let’s not forget Baseball, another evolution from a British game called ‘Rounders’. Rounders is (and has been for a long time) largely a girl’s game in the UK… normally played only by children.
Now, I don’t want to piss all over your favourite pastimes… but enough is enough. Why do you have to be so ignorant of the rest of the world? Does it make you feel proud being so clueless and to act so superior all the time?
Harsh words against the rest of the world from these self-styled ‘patriots’ smack of nothing more than a severe inferiority complex… and extreme stupidity.
In a similarly inflammatory gesture back atchya, I suggest that you change the name of your ‘football’ back to rugby, grow some balls and take off the body armour. Seriously… it’s sooo gay.
The reason we’ve called it a football for the last half-millennia or so is that it’s a sphere that you kick (a foot-ball). Forgive my confusion, but how does Football relate to running around with an oval object under your arm and taking breaks every few minutes?
Shakespeare’s A Comedy of Errors (Act II Scene 1):
Am I so round with you as you with me,
That like a football you do spurn me thus?
You spurn me hence, and he will spurn me hither:
If I last in this service, you must case me in leather.
"Spurn" literally means to kick away, thus implying that the game involved kicking a ball between players.
Shakespeare was around before the ancestor of American football was conceived. Football was around way before Shakespeare.
So forgive me. I’ve had a little wine (I know, how gay) and I’m just venting in response to years of provocation. I consider the US to be one of the closest countries to my own, even though the Atlantic divides us. I was rooting for the US tonight because:
A: They showed heart and
B: I can’t wait until this cultural divide is gone. It will happen, but it’ll take time and hard work from America’s football players to generate interest from their success.
And believe me... one day, when football takes over, your game of boring-ass padded rugby will be seen for what it is.
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Had to be said :cheers:
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^^LOL, football players aren't pussies like rugby players, they'd DIE if they went at it like that without paddings. :-*
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I don't watch SOCCER as much as I use to watch SOCCER. I suppose I should start watching SOCCER agian.
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I don't watch SOCCER as much as I use to watch SOCCER. I suppose I should start watching SOCCER agian.
Yes you shoukd start watching more football ;)
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I don't watch SOCCER as much as I use to watch SOCCER. I suppose I should start watching SOCCER agian.
Yes you shoukd start watching more football ;)
Yup, I'm sure Rik'll tell ya, there's nothing like Monday Night Football on ESPN... 8)
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I don't watch SOCCER as much as I use to watch SOCCER. I suppose I should start watching SOCCER agian.
Yes you shoukd start watching more football ;)
Yup, I'm sure Rik'll tell ya, there's nothing like Monday Night Football on ESPN... 8)
But like "gimme punani" said, how is it football? You rarely use your foot in the game, and lets be honest a ball is round (hence netball, basketball, baseball, testicles) all round balls!
And i take it from the dumbass "NFL players arent pussies like rugby players" statement you have never watched a rugby game? Me, personally i fuckin hate rugby, but staying where i stay i have it forced down my throat every weekend and i can assure you there are harder hits in that than NFL.... with no pads. People would die pfffffff stop bein a bitch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ7bEB2TGx4 <<<< Proof.
And for the record, more people play soccer (to avoid confusion) in the states than they do basketball, baseball and football. I know its only the lil kids but still considering how little support soccer gets its an interesting stat. IMO Soccer will blow the fuck up if Adu goes to Man Utd. The second largest support in USA, and the biggest player in America, all the sponsors will be having wet dreams about it.
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soccer players arent anywhere near as athletic as NBA or NFL players, plus they cry all the time.
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Football players are more talented than american football players
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American football is for girls and homo's.
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But like "gimme punani" said, how is it football? You rarely use your foot in the game, and lets be honest a ball is round (hence netball, basketball, baseball, testicles) all round balls!
And i take it from the dumbass "NFL players arent pussies like rugby players" statement you have never watched a rugby game? Me, personally i fuckin hate rugby, but staying where i stay i have it forced down my throat every weekend and i can assure you there are harder hits in that than NFL.... with no pads. People would die pfffffff stop bein a bitch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ7bEB2TGx4 <<<< Proof.
And for the record, more people play soccer (to avoid confusion) in the states than they do basketball, baseball and football. I know its only the lil kids but still considering how little support soccer gets its an interesting stat. IMO Soccer will blow the fuck up if Adu goes to Man Utd. The second largest support in USA, and the biggest player in America, all the sponsors will be having wet dreams about it.
LOL@this guy. "Rugy players take harder hits!"...Put a bitch-made Rugby player on a football field and see how long he lasts. And most balls are round, yes, but a football isn't, moron, look up football in the dictionary before you make stupid comments. What was the point of that anyways? I doubt more people play soccer than basketball or foootball in the US, maybe little girls (soccer is most popular with girls aged 5-12 in this country), but go to any high school in America and see if there are more people trying out for the football or basketball teams or for the soccer team...LOLLL. And you think soccer will blow up here if we get one of your teams? How so? We have a lot of soccer teams over here and no one really gives a shit, we have more interesting sports here...PeACe
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American football is for girls and homo's.
Is "American Football" a sport played predominantly by prepubescent girls in your country?...I didn't think so... 8)
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"Soccer" will never be big in the USA for the simple fact that they "suck" at it.
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"Soccer" will never be big in the USA for the simple fact that they "suck" at it.
We're actually rapidly improving, it's just that no one gives a shit. :-*
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But like "gimme punani" said, how is it football? You rarely use your foot in the game, and lets be honest a ball is round (hence netball, basketball, baseball, testicles) all round balls!
And i take it from the dumbass "NFL players arent pussies like rugby players" statement you have never watched a rugby game? Me, personally i fuckin hate rugby, but staying where i stay i have it forced down my throat every weekend and i can assure you there are harder hits in that than NFL.... with no pads. People would die pfffffff stop bein a bitch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ7bEB2TGx4 <<<< Proof.
And for the record, more people play soccer (to avoid confusion) in the states than they do basketball, baseball and football. I know its only the lil kids but still considering how little support soccer gets its an interesting stat. IMO Soccer will blow the fuck up if Adu goes to Man Utd. The second largest support in USA, and the biggest player in America, all the sponsors will be having wet dreams about it.
LOL@this guy. "Rugy players take harder hits!"...Put a bitch-made Rugby player on a football field and see how long he lasts. And most balls are round, yes, but a football isn't, moron, look up football in the dictionary before you make stupid comments. What was the point of that anyways? I doubt more people play soccer than basketball or foootball in the US, maybe little girls (soccer is most popular with girls aged 5-12 in this country), but go to any high school in America and see if there are more people trying out for the football or basketball teams or for the soccer team...LOLLL. And you think soccer will blow up here if we get one of your teams? How so? We have a lot of soccer teams over here and no one really gives a shit, we have more interesting sports here...PeACe
Put it the other way around. Put a american football player on a rugby field and see how long it takes before he starts crying and puts his protection on.
But you gotta admit it dont make a lot of sence in calling it american FOOTball. Cuz you hardly use your feet. They shouldve done it a little original and call it some other name.
I hope footbal will never blow up in the states, let them have their own sports its fine how it is now.
Its a fact that football is the most played sport in the world. So let americans play their own sport they will never get that they are missing out on the best sport in the world.
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But like "gimme punani" said, how is it football? You rarely use your foot in the game, and lets be honest a ball is round (hence netball, basketball, baseball, testicles) all round balls!
And i take it from the dumbass "NFL players arent pussies like rugby players" statement you have never watched a rugby game? Me, personally i fuckin hate rugby, but staying where i stay i have it forced down my throat every weekend and i can assure you there are harder hits in that than NFL.... with no pads. People would die pfffffff stop bein a bitch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ7bEB2TGx4 <<<< Proof.
And for the record, more people play soccer (to avoid confusion) in the states than they do basketball, baseball and football. I know its only the lil kids but still considering how little support soccer gets its an interesting stat. IMO Soccer will blow the fuck up if Adu goes to Man Utd. The second largest support in USA, and the biggest player in America, all the sponsors will be having wet dreams about it.
LOL@this guy. "Rugy players take harder hits!"...Put a bitch-made Rugby player on a football field and see how long he lasts. And most balls are round, yes, but a football isn't, moron, look up football in the dictionary before you make stupid comments. What was the point of that anyways? I doubt more people play soccer than basketball or foootball in the US, maybe little girls (soccer is most popular with girls aged 5-12 in this country), but go to any high school in America and see if there are more people trying out for the football or basketball teams or for the soccer team...LOLLL. And you think soccer will blow up here if we get one of your teams? How so? We have a lot of soccer teams over here and no one really gives a shit, we have more interesting sports here...PeACe
Put it the other way around. Put a american football player on a rugby field and see how long it takes before he starts crying and puts his protection on.
But you gotta admit it dont make a lot of sence in calling it american FOOTball. Cuz you hardly use your feet. They shouldve done it a little original and call it some other name.
I hope footbal will never blow up in the states, let them have their own sports its fine how it is now.
Its a fact that football is the most played sport in the world. So let americans play their own sport they will never get that they are missing out on the best sport in the world.
Are you retarded? The average NFL player is about 3 times the size of a rugby player...Please make sense. And why do you care what we call it? You use your feet in football after every touchdown, for the kickoff, for penalties, for running, but really, who cares? Why do they call it RUGby if they play on a grass field? LOL. Get off our nuts, none of us give a shit what you guys call your sports, so why should you? Jealous? :grumpy:
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But like "gimme punani" said, how is it football? You rarely use your foot in the game, and lets be honest a ball is round (hence netball, basketball, baseball, testicles) all round balls!
And i take it from the dumbass "NFL players arent pussies like rugby players" statement you have never watched a rugby game? Me, personally i fuckin hate rugby, but staying where i stay i have it forced down my throat every weekend and i can assure you there are harder hits in that than NFL.... with no pads. People would die pfffffff stop bein a bitch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ7bEB2TGx4 <<<< Proof.
And for the record, more people play soccer (to avoid confusion) in the states than they do basketball, baseball and football. I know its only the lil kids but still considering how little support soccer gets its an interesting stat. IMO Soccer will blow the fuck up if Adu goes to Man Utd. The second largest support in USA, and the biggest player in America, all the sponsors will be having wet dreams about it.
LOL@this guy. "Rugy players take harder hits!"...Put a bitch-made Rugby player on a football field and see how long he lasts. And most balls are round, yes, but a football isn't, moron, look up football in the dictionary before you make stupid comments. What was the point of that anyways? I doubt more people play soccer than basketball or foootball in the US, maybe little girls (soccer is most popular with girls aged 5-12 in this country), but go to any high school in America and see if there are more people trying out for the football or basketball teams or for the soccer team...LOLLL. And you think soccer will blow up here if we get one of your teams? How so? We have a lot of soccer teams over here and no one really gives a shit, we have more interesting sports here...PeACe
Put it the other way around. Put a american football player on a rugby field and see how long it takes before he starts crying and puts his protection on.
But you gotta admit it dont make a lot of sence in calling it american FOOTball. Cuz you hardly use your feet. They shouldve done it a little original and call it some other name.
I hope footbal will never blow up in the states, let them have their own sports its fine how it is now.
Its a fact that football is the most played sport in the world. So let americans play their own sport they will never get that they are missing out on the best sport in the world.
Are you retarded? The average NFL player is about 3 times the size of a rugby player...Please make sense. And why do you care what we call it? You use your feet in football after every touchdown, for the kickoff, for penalties, for running, but really, who cares? Why do they call it RUGby if they play on a grass field? LOL. Get off our nuts, none of us give a shit what you guys call your sports, so why should you? Jealous? :grumpy:
I dont care when i see americans call football soccer, well it still annoys me, but i can live with it. The thing that i do care for is that i see europeans and other non americans start calling football soccer. Thats just isnt right. Be honest you, would be annoyed if your fellow americans started calling american football another name that europeans gave to it. Im fighting for justice man. :laugh:
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But like "gimme punani" said, how is it football? You rarely use your foot in the game, and lets be honest a ball is round (hence netball, basketball, baseball, testicles) all round balls!
And i take it from the dumbass "NFL players arent pussies like rugby players" statement you have never watched a rugby game? Me, personally i fuckin hate rugby, but staying where i stay i have it forced down my throat every weekend and i can assure you there are harder hits in that than NFL.... with no pads. People would die pfffffff stop bein a bitch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJ7bEB2TGx4 <<<< Proof.
And for the record, more people play soccer (to avoid confusion) in the states than they do basketball, baseball and football. I know its only the lil kids but still considering how little support soccer gets its an interesting stat. IMO Soccer will blow the fuck up if Adu goes to Man Utd. The second largest support in USA, and the biggest player in America, all the sponsors will be having wet dreams about it.
LOL@this guy. "Rugy players take harder hits!"...Put a bitch-made Rugby player on a football field and see how long he lasts. And most balls are round, yes, but a football isn't, moron, look up football in the dictionary before you make stupid comments. What was the point of that anyways? I doubt more people play soccer than basketball or foootball in the US, maybe little girls (soccer is most popular with girls aged 5-12 in this country), but go to any high school in America and see if there are more people trying out for the football or basketball teams or for the soccer team...LOLLL. And you think soccer will blow up here if we get one of your teams? How so? We have a lot of soccer teams over here and no one really gives a shit, we have more interesting sports here...PeACe
Put it the other way around. Put a american football player on a rugby field and see how long it takes before he starts crying and puts his protection on.
But you gotta admit it dont make a lot of sence in calling it american FOOTball. Cuz you hardly use your feet. They shouldve done it a little original and call it some other name.
I hope footbal will never blow up in the states, let them have their own sports its fine how it is now.
Its a fact that football is the most played sport in the world. So let americans play their own sport they will never get that they are missing out on the best sport in the world.
Are you retarded? The average NFL player is about 3 times the size of a rugby player...Please make sense. And why do you care what we call it? You use your feet in football after every touchdown, for the kickoff, for penalties, for running, but really, who cares? Why do they call it RUGby if they play on a grass field? LOL. Get off our nuts, none of us give a shit what you guys call your sports, so why should you? Jealous? :grumpy:
I dont care when i see americans call football soccer, well it still annoys me, but i can live with it. The thing that i do care for is that i see europeans and other non americans start calling football soccer. Thats just isnt right. Be honest you, would be annoyed if your fellow americans started calling american football another name that europeans gave to it. Im fighting for justice man. :laugh:
No, because I wouldn't care, it doesn't matter to me what OTHER people call it, it is what it is...I understand how it can get annoying, but get over it...But that's not even what we were talking about, we were talking about a rugby players physical vs. a football players physical, and I'm pretty sure it's crystal clear who won that...PeACe
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I don't watch SOCCER as much as I use to watch SOCCER. I suppose I should start watching SOCCER agian.
Yes you shoukd start watching more football ;)
Yup, I'm sure Rik'll tell ya, there's nothing like Monday Night Football on ESPN... 8)
LOL
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face it NIK,
Rugby players >>> American Football Players
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face it NIK,
Rugby players >>> American Football Players
LMAO, in what way? Football players are bigger, stronger, take harder hits, train harder, are way more built, it's really not even comparable...PeACe
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face it NIK,
Rugby players >>> American Football Players
LMAO, in what way? Football players are bigger, stronger, take harder hits, train harder, are way more built, it's really not even comparable...PeACe
Exactly...and that is why they only play once a week and only 16 games (more if they make the playoff). Dude football player take a beating man. I'm not saying rugby players don't but football is more physically demanding.
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rugby players are tough , yes this is true , but their hardest hitting players are about as big as Brett Farve....tough dude btw. BUT the NFL is filled with players ie Brian Urlacher, Ray Lewis , and classics like Bruce Smith that would MURDER someone the way they hit people. i've been in debates like this in this forum before, and i've clearly layed out how the evolution of football and rugby has favored football players, and that's why they wear pads. if you look at the first NFL teams they're basically wearing pajamas and a leather hat. look at nfl players in the 60's and they're wearing harder helmets and a few pieces of padding, and today we've got tephlon thises and thats. YOU KNOW WHY, because players have become bigger strong and faster. many of those 300 lb linemen you like to make fun of, run fast enough to run track. many line men i.e Larry Allen bench damn near 800 lbs. even with pads we've got players going down with crippling spinal cord injuries, broken necks, brain and head trauma, and crushed rips. like EVERY american in this post said, our profootball would be a killing field if there wasn't any pads. also you got to consider the amount of money people put into these players and teams. you want them to all perform at the highest level possible , while at the same time keeping them from getting injured. but at the end of the day.... the Toughest NFL players >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the toughest rugby players.
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The Wrecking Yard
As they limp into the sunset, retired NFL players struggle with the game's grim legacy: a lifetime of disability and pain
By William Nack, Special Reporting by Lester Munson
Issue date: May 7, 2001
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When I came to my first NFL camp, it was like I was a tall, cold can of beer. They popped the top, and all that energy and desire and ability poured out. I gave of myself with the same passion that I had in high school and college. When I was empty, when I had no more to give, they just crumpled me up and threw me on the garbage heap. Then they grabbed another new can and popped him open, and he flowed out until he was empty.
--CURT MARSH, NFL lineman 1981-86
They are the wincing, hobbling wounded: the men who played professional football, a notoriously joint-shearing, disk-popping, nerve-numbing exercise that has grown only more dangerous since Curt Marsh last crashed into a defensive lineman as a Los Angeles Raider.
"If you go to a retired players' convention, there are older retirees who walk around like Maryland crabs," says Miki Yaras-Davis, director of benefits for the NFL Players Association. "It's an orthopedic surgeon's dream. I'm surprised the doctors aren't standing outside the door handing out their cards. Hardly one [former player] you see doesn't need a hip replacement. Everybody comes out of pro football with some injury. It's only the degree that separates them." A 1990 Ball State study, commissioned by the NFLPA and covering the previous 50 years of league history, revealed that among 870 former players responding to a survey, 65% had suffered a "major injury" while playing--that is, an injury that either required surgery or forced them to miss at least eight games. The study also reported that the percentage of players incurring such injuries had increased alarmingly: from 42% before 1959 to 72% in the 1980s, after many stadiums had switched from grass to artificial turf. Two of every three former players disclosed that their football injuries had limited their ability to participate in sports and other recreation in retirement, and more than half of them also had a curtailed ability to do physical labor. Of those who played during the '70s and '80s, nearly half (50% and 48%, respectively) reported that they had retired because of injury -- up from 30% in the years before 1959.
There's little doubt, based on a follow-up survey in 1994 and on considerable anecdotal evidence, that injuries in the NFL are becoming more serious and frequent as the colliding bodies grow bigger and stronger. The 300-pound-plus Sira-goosed lineman, a rarity 40 years ago, is today as common as the soccer-style kicker. James Andrews, a leading orthopedic surgeon who has been operating on pro football players for almost 30 years, sees a correlation between the worsening of injuries and the size and power of the modern player. In fact, Andrews, who works out of the HealthSouth Medical Center in Birmingham, is witnessing the rise of a phenomenon that was almost unheard of only 15 years ago.
"The incidence of serious, noncontact knee injuries is much higher than it used to be," he says. Artificial turf is only part of the problem. "These athletes are bigger, stronger and running faster, and they're tearing up knees from cutting, changing direction on a dime," Andrews says. "In fact, the incidence of anterior cruciate ligament injuries is higher from noncontact than contact. I've seen guys get significant injuries just falling on the football. It's like a big tree falling."
Indeed, among the most notable casualties of noncontact incidents are two gifted running backs: Jamal Anderson and Ki-Jana Carter. Anderson, of the Atlanta Falcons, missed all but two games in 1999 after tearing the ACL in his right knee during a Monday Night Football game on artificial turf; his foot got snagged in the rug, and Anderson went one way as his popping knee went another. Carter, the top pick in the 1995 draft, tore his left ACL in his rookie year by simply "twisting" the knee, says Andrews. The former Penn State star was cut by the Cincinnati Bengals last June and hasn't been picked up by another team.
As for the New Age tyrannosaurs battling in the trenches, they have become so large and powerful that injuries have risen alarmingly in their hand-to-hand combat. "They are exerting forces strong enough to dislocate their elbows and shoulders forward and backward," Andrews says. "With the blocking techniques we're seeing, there's an increased incidence of offensive linemen's shoulders being dislocated."
Some players have quit rather than court more pain. A teary-eyed John Elway, claiming he still had a passion for the game at age 38, retired two years ago because his body could no longer take the punishment. Minnesota Vikings running back Robert Smith, 28, an unrestricted free agent at the height of his game, astounded the NFL in February by retiring without explanation, turning his back on what was expected to be a lively bidding war, with offers likely to exceed $ 30 million for five years. Smith had already had three knee surgeries, and while his agent, Neil Cornrich, denied that the on-the-job pounding played any part in the running back's decision to leave the game, Smith had implied as much to reporters. (Another running back, Curtis Enis, retired last week at 24 because of a degenerative condition in his left knee. Enis, the No. 5 pick in the 1998 draft, tore a ligament in that knee during his rookie season, with the Chicago Bears.)
No matter how young they are when they retire, a great many NFL players face a visit in middle age from that most pernicious of postfootball afflictions, degenerative arthritis. An athlete who suffers an injury to a major weight-bearing joint, such as the hip or knee, is five to seven times more likely to develop degenerative arthritis than an average member of the population. Repeated pounding and jarring of the joints -- even in the absence of injury -- all but guarantee that former players will be caught in the ganglia of serious and chronic pain. The 1994 NFLPA-Ball State survey said that arthritis is the most commonly reported health problem among retired players, affecting 47% of respondents.
"A lot of ex-players with terribly arthritic spines say, 'But I never had a back injury!'" Andrews says. "That doesn't matter. There's no way to heal those cartilage lesions. They heal with scar tissue and are never as good again. What you end up with is a bunch of ex-NFL players, in their 40s and 50s, who shouldn't have arthritis but have degenerated knees and need total replacement done at an early age."
This, then, is not about a few casualties wandering off the playing field into retirement, their bells rung and still chiming in their heads, but rather about a whole society of broken men hounded through their lives by pain and injury, and all the psychological problems that often attend them.
Johnny Unitas once owned the most dangerous right arm in the NFL. Today he barely has use of the hand attached to it. Unitas, who is considered by many to be the greatest field general to play the game, is still paying for a hit he took more than three decades ago as a Baltimore Colt. That day in 1968, Unitas was drawing back his arm to throw a pass when a Dallas Cowboy mashed the inside of his elbow. Unitas came back to play again--the arm seemed fine up through his retirement in 1974 -- but by the mid-1990s he was having problems with the nerves that controlled his hand and fingers. He lost strength and feeling in the hand and became unable to rotate the thumb back and grasp objects. The symptoms only got worse. Now Unitas cannot close the hand that made Raymond Berry famous.
Unitas's two knee replacements work perfectly well -- cartilage and ligaments in the right knee were torn in a collision with two Bears in 1963, while the left wore out from years of favoring the right -- but when he plays golf, which is about all the exercise he can get with those knees, he has to use his left hand to close the fingers of his gloved right hand around the grip, then strap the hand to the shaft with a Velcro strip. He goes through this tedium on every shot. "I do it putting, too," says Johnny U, who's 68.
Forty years ago Unitas was the toughest and smartest quarterback in the game, calling the plays and running the show in a way that inspired both fear and awe among teammates and opponents alike. Mentally, he always seemed a step ahead of everyone else. If a situation looked ripe for a pass, Unitas would signal a run; if it called for a run, he'd throw a pass. If it called for a pass and his opponents, trying to outguess him, set up for a run, he'd throw. Unitas perfected the two-minute drill, and no one since -- not Montana, not Elway -- has run it better.
Setting an NFL record that seems as unassailable as Joe DiMaggio's 56-game hitting streak, Unitas threw a touchdown pass in 47 consecutive games between 1956 and 1960. In the years since, only Dan Marino has come anywhere close to that mark, throwing scoring passes in 30 straight games from 1985 to '87.
Unitas has demanded disability compensation from the league but says he has been turned down for various reasons, among them that he didn't apply by age 55 -- though his right hand didn't fail him until he was 60 -- and that the league pays him a pension of $ 4,000 a month. The NFL adds that, in its opinion, Unitas is not "totally and permanently disabled."
Meanwhile, of that magical hand that spun footballs like strands of gold, Unitas says, "I have no strength in the fingers. I can't use a hammer or saw around the house. I can't button buttons. I can't use zippers. Very difficult to tie shoes. I can't brush my teeth with it, because I can't hold a brush. I can't hold a fork with the right hand. I can't pick this phone up. You give me a full cup of coffee, and I can't hold it. I can't comb my hair."
Bill Stanfill never thought it would come to this. Never conceived, through all his years as a rampaging defensive end for the Miami Dolphins, that he would be reduced to what he is now. Never imagined that at 54, he would be navigating his house in Georgia with a metal walker--step-shuffle, step-shuffle -- as he recovered from hip-replacement surgery. Or still feeling the consequences of that near-fatal injury he suffered when, during a preseason game against the Bengals in 1975, he cracked heads with teammate Vern Den Herder and almost severed his spinal cord between vertebrae C-4 and C-3.
It was like nothing he had ever felt. "I'd had stingers, but this was entirely different," Stanfill recalls. "I just numbed up. Could not move my arms or feel myself breathing." Stanfill had subluxed the joint in his cervical spine; that is, a disk and the surrounding bone had slipped nearly far enough to damage the cord. Stanfill would never be the same player again, and by the end of the next year he would be out of football. Two decades later, in the mid-'90s, the disks began herniating, and he has had four vertebrae fused in his cervical spine.
"I can't tip my head back at all," says Stanfill, an avid bird hunter, "so I can't shoot dove anymore. I feel like I swallowed a Viagra pill and it got stuck in my throat. My neck is stiff as hell. The neurosurgeons have told me that if another disk goes [in my cervical spine], I will be totally disabled."
Stanfill was an old-fashioned football gladiator, a 6'5 1/2", 255-pound country boy who won the Outland Trophy, as the college game's best interior lineman, in his senior year at Georgia; helped Miami win two Super Bowls, after the 1972 and '73 seasons; and was named to four Pro Bowls. He relished the battle in the trenches, mano a mano. "All I wanted to do was play," he says.
All those wars left all those scars, however, and not only to his spine. In late January, while sitting next to the fireplace in his five-bedroom redbrick house outside Albany, Ga., Stanfill pointed out a glass jar sitting on the mantel. At the bottom of the jar, immersed in a clear solution, was a mysterious white ball. "I'm gonna see if I can donate it for auction," he said. "'Who wants a piece of Bill Stanfill?' That's part of me. The price I paid for playing pro football."
It was the ball of his left hip, and it had been sawed off his skeleton three weeks earlier. Stanfill had been suffering from avascular necrosis (AVN) -- in which blood circulation is cut off to the hip bone, causing it to die -- because of repeated trauma and, possibly, repeated injection of the anti-inflammatory drug cortisone when he was in pro ball. ("I was like a pincushion," he says.) Stanfill sells agricultural real estate, but he has worked little since March 2000, when a disk in his lower back ruptured. Doctors have told him that his right hip also has AVN and will have to be replaced.
Stanfill's football days have left him a physical wreck, making him wonder what his life will be like in five years. Still, he expresses neither rancor nor self-pity. "Just wish I'd made some of the money they're making today," he says wryly. "It would make this a lot easier to live with."
Earl Campbell has a dazzling assortment of rings that were given to him in honor of his storied accomplishments as a college and pro running back: the Heisman Trophy ring, the NFL Rookie of the Year ring, one MVP ring (though he was MVP three times) and the NFL Hall of Fame ring, but he wears none of them because of arthritis in both his hands, the ones that he used to push away pursuing tacklers. "Jim Brown and I were the best at the stiff-arm," says Campbell. "Now I can barely close my left fist -- the arthritis and the soreness and the pain."
Campbell was a complete force as a running back, fast enough to turn the corner and race upfield, strong enough to crash through the line. He always seemed to be running out of his clothes; it was as if he invented the tear-away jersey. The abiding memory of Campbell is that of a man charging down the field with three defenders clinging to his back. It was easy to imagine him in the end zone dressed in nothing more than his jockstrap and shoulder pads, standing there with a quizzical smile on his face and various large bodies scattered behind him, each clutching a remnant of his uniform. As his Houston Oilers coach, Bum Phillips, said, "Earl Campbell may not be in a class by himself, but whatever class he's in, it doesn't take long to call roll."
Now 46 and the owner of a barbecue restaurant and a sausage-making business in Austin, Campbell winces at more than his swollen digits. His knees and back ache ceaselessly. He also has a condition called drop foot: As a result of nerve damage to his legs, he cannot raise the front of his feet when he lifts them off the ground to take a step. The feet flop along loosely when he walks. To use the bathroom upstairs from his home office, Campbell -- unable to grip with his hands or bend his knees--must lean his forearms on the railings and drag himself up the eight or 10 steps. The process is as painful to watch as it must be for Campbell to complete.
"I realize that every time you get something in life, you've got to give up something," he says. He likes to hunt deer and wild boar in south Texas, and he is reminded of what he gave the game whenever he is home on the range. "Sometimes it gets to the point that I can't stand the pain, like when I've got to walk a lot," he says. "Thank God I'm with people who understand me: 'Take all the time you need.' It's embarrassing when I've got to hop onto the back of a pickup and I need help. Or I need help climbing into deer blinds.
"Sometimes I tell my wife, 'Shoot, if I knew it was going to hurt like this, I don't know if I'd have [played football].' It's a hell of a price to pay."
For most NFL players, especially linemen, weight training is as much a part of the daily regimen as stretching exercises--and the weight room works its own form of wickedness. Hoisting iron, players rupture the patella tendons in their knees, put enormous strain on their lower backs and cause ligament injuries to the lumbar spine. They even damage their shoulders by doing something the joint was not designed to do: bench-pressing huge weights.
Joe Jacoby, a former Washington Redskins offensive lineman, was a habitue of the Skins' weight room, squat lifting his afternoons away. He dare not lift weights anymore, for fear it will accelerate the deterioration of his ankles, knees, wrists, elbows and back. Jacoby still feels the echoes of years spent snatching iron and leaning his sequoia body into snot-blowing defensive linemen who drove shuddering forces down his spine and onto his lower joints.
At 6'7", 305 pounds, Jacoby was a giant among the Hogs, a 13-year veteran who retired in 1993, the year he collapsed in his bathroom at home and could not get up. "My lower back went out," he says. "I dropped to my knees on the floor. The pain was that sharp. I crawled out of the bathroom to the bed." Like Stanfill, imbued with the ethic to play in pain, Jacoby played again later that year. Then, against the Kansas City Chiefs, his back went out again. He ended up spending three days in a hospital.
"I never wanted to go out that way," says Jacoby, 41. "I wanted to keep playing, even though I was hurting. I felt like I was letting down the team. You've been brought up that way since high school. It's ingrained in you. I had a wife. I had a family. A business I was starting. But I kept hearing those little things in the back of my mind: You're letting your team down." He was in traction, shot up with cortisone, when the thought finally struck him: I can't keep doing this. I have a life to live after this.
Jacoby had blown out his left knee earlier in his career, when his leg got wrenched in a pileup during a field goal attempt. "The kneecap was way over on the side of the knee," he recalls. "I still hear the crunching and popping." Another old wound--vintage for linemen, who are forever getting their fingers caught and dislocated in face masks and shoulder pads--is the busted knuckle on Jacoby's wedding-band finger, as gnarled as a tree root. He has won many wagers in bars, claiming he can get the ring over that knuckle. His wife, Irene, had the band made with a clasp, so he can take it off like a bracelet.
Jacoby owns an auto dealership in Warrenton, Va. He and Irene had the sinks in the kitchen and master bathroom of their house installed higher than normal, "so he doesn't have to bend down," she says. He often walks about sockless in loafers. "It's too painful for him to bend over and put on socks or lace up shoes," Irene says.
Jacoby walks stiffly on his damaged ankles, but he endures the discomforts with stoic grace. He still remembers vividly the pounding he took year after year, through 170 games, including four Super Bowls--a career that left him unable to do any exercise other than walking. "Some days the back gets unbearable," he says. "It's really deep in the lower back and goes down to my left buttock and hamstring. Sometimes it gets so bad it hurts my nuts. There's pain down my left leg now. My left foot has been numb for two months. The bone's pressing on the nerve. Too many years of abuse, using the back to block."
Like so many other hobbled former players, Jacoby says he would do it all again if he had the chance. He knew what he was getting into. "Football players know the risk and the consequences," he says. "They know they will pay for it later in life. If they don't, they are misleading themselves."
As much as Jacoby has gone through, he looks fortunate when compared with Chris Washington. Only 39, Washington seems old beyond his years. He was an NFL linebacker for seven seasons, most of them with the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, and he has had 21 operations. He suffers from severe arthritis in both knees--he has had six surgeries on the right, five on the left--and his right thigh and calf are atrophying. He endures his days with help from a pharmacopia in a kitchen cabinet: one pill for sleep, two for pain (including double-strength codeine) and two to reduce inflammation.
Washington was a zealous weightlifter, but now his home looks like a Gold's Gym after closing, with everything racked and idle: the stationary bike, the treadmill, the stair-climber and tons of barbells. He won't use any of them for fear of inflaming his diseased joints. Not only is he virtually crippled by ailing knees, but he also suffers hand tremors from pinched nerves; he shakes too much to fasten a necklace around his wife's neck. Although he has upper arms like ham shanks, he experiences periodic loss of strength in the right one and has back spasms as well. Washington carries his 10-month-old daughter, Taylor, in a Snugli, but not simply for convenience. He fears he will be seized by a shooting pain in his back or arm or suffer the sudden collapse of a knee and drop her -- or, worse, fall on her.
Washington, who has worked as an insurance salesman and a data-entry clerk after retiring from the NFL in 1992, has been unable to hold a job since 1996. He draws disability payments to help support his family and is seeing his worst fears slide before his eyes. "Not being able to run around and play with my daughter," he says, giving one example. "I tried coaching [as a volunteer at the high school level], but my body couldn't take it; I can't stay on my feet that long. What kind of an example am I setting for kids if I'm walking around with a cane? I don't go to a lot of NFL functions. I would like to hang out with those guys, but I don't want them to see me like this."
None of this comes in the tone of a complaint. Washington wishes only that when he played he had known more about what he was doing to his body and had taken better care of it. He wishes that he had not allowed himself to be shot up with painkillers and cortisone so he could play hurt. Like the other former players who have been down that tortuous road, he assumes his share of the blame. "It was my choice to do what I did," he says. "I guess I didn't expect to be in this kind of shape."
Nor did Harry Carson, for 13 years a crushing, headfirst inside linebacker of the New York Giants. Carson's injury is to a human organ that is still little understood. By his own count he suffered at least 15 concussions while playing pro football, from 1976 to '88, and he is afflicted by what Yaras-Davis, of the NFLPA, believes is one of the most common and troublesome maladies among former players: postconcussion syndrome, which is marked by headaches, forgetfulness, blurred vision and difficulty tracking mentally.
Former Cowboys quarterback Troy Aikman and former San Francisco 49ers quarterback Steve Young, each of whom has suffered repeated bell-ringers on the field, are the players most closely associated with concussions. Carson, however, was one of the first former players to go public with the debilitating aftershocks of concussions, in an attempt to broaden understanding of the problem. Carson had his share of other injuries, but none quite as stunning as the concussion he suffered in 1985 when he crashed head-on into his favorite opponent, Redskins fullback John Riggins. "It was pretty much my power against his power," Carson says. "I remember hitting John and going back to the huddle ... everything faded to black. I was literally out on my feet."
Carson would find that such blows had long-term effects. In 1991, three years after he retired, he wrote in his journal, "I don't think as clearly as I used to. Nor is my speech, diction, selection of vocabulary as good as it used to be, and I don't know why." As a TV broadcaster with the MSG Network in New York City, he would occasionally misspeak. "I would mispronounce words and lose my train of thought," he says. "Things would happen, and I'd think I was going crazy. I'd go to the store to get something and forget what."
Like Yaras-Davis, Carson believes the syndrome is far more common than is generally thought. "One problem is that a lot of players who suffer from it have no clue what they're dealing with," says Carson, who still appears on a weekly show, Giants GamePlan, for MSG. "I've talked to players I've played with and against. Once I went public with this concussion thing, they were looking at me as being sort of brain-damaged, drooling and all this stuff. But it is an injury just like one to your knee or hip."
What ails Curt Marsh is far less elusive. The 41-year-old former offensive lineman for the Raiders could serve as a poster boy for crippled veterans who ache in all the usual NFL places: neck, back, knees, hips, ankles. Bone by bone, Marsh's body is gradually being replaced. He has had more than 20 operations, including one in '96 to replace his left hip, which had developed AVN, and he expects soon to undergo surgery to replace his right hip, which also has been damaged by AVN.
Like Stanfill, Marsh allowed team doctors to shoot him up repeatedly with painkillers and cortisone. By the time he retired, after seven years in the league, Marsh had a scoped knee, bulging disks and a right ankle that had been destroyed when the Raiders' team physician, Robert Rosenfeld, who died in 1994, apparently misdiagnosed and mistreated a broken talus bone. By 1994, after the 13th operation on it, the ankle was a hopeless ruin, and doctors cut off Marsh's leg eight inches below the knee.
Marsh is not shy about being an amputee. While attending a 1998 hearing of the California Senate's Industrial Relations Committee in Sacramento, Marsh, all 350 pounds of him, heard one agitated senator, Ross Johnson of Irvine, excoriate pro athletes who had taken advantage of the state's generous workers' compensation laws by filing their claims there, even if they lived in other states and had played only road games in California. Johnson, backing a bill that would have limited workers' comp payments for pro athletes, declared that he was "outraged" that "professional athletes, who earn huge sums of money, wind up abusing a system that was created for the benefit of average working men and women."
Moments later Marsh, in a move as memorable as any he ever made with the Raiders, pounced on Johnson, saying he was "offended" to see athletes being treated "as if they were a piece of meat" because they were well paid for their labors. "And that makes [what happens to them] O.K.? That really bothers me. We have families that go through the pain. We have ... "
Here Marsh reached both hands down to his right leg, pressed a button on the side of his black boot and, to gasps from the audience, removed the prosthesis from his stump and raised it in the air. "Fact of the matter is, you cannot pay me enough money to make this worth my while," he said, holding the boot aloft. "This is a real issue Seventy times a game you run into a human being as big as you are. They say that's like a traffic accident What is that, 1,400 traffic accidents a year? And we're gonna say it's O.K. because we pay 'em a lot of money... but they don't deserve to get the same thing that we give everyone else?"
The bill was never enacted.
For all that he has been through, Marsh is remarkably free of bitterness, even though he believes his amputation was the result of poor medical care. "I'm not looking for pity," he says. "That's just the way it is." For him and for countless other veterans of pro football's trench warfare.
A whole battalion of Curt Marshes and Chris Washingtons and Earl Campbells is out there, enough to fill an NFL Old Soldiers' Home, doddering arthritically around the grounds. Busted knees, numb and bulbous ankles, sawed-off hips and all.
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If you think im readin all that your smoking something.
There are some HUGE rugby players, but they dont make provisions for them and say "Well this guys huge, everyone put on their gay ass shoulder pads and helmet 2day"....Nah they get on with it.
Im not denying how tough the nfl is no doubt, but imo rugby is tougher. Will someone on this website change my opinion? Probably not.
FOOTBALL , and i mean the globally recognized football, not the americanized bullshit version, is the greatest sport in the world. Hence its bigger worldwide than any other sport. Is anyone on this website going to change my opinion that? Definetely not.
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^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
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^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
No its a better sport, otherwise NBA, NFL would be played globally. Are you saying Football is less physical than basketball? I ahrdly think so. And you keep saying how its only little girls n shit that like football, but all you yanks were wetting your pants with excitement in 94 when the world cup was there.
And stop hitting the diss button you faggot.
The crowds at the world cup were bigger than NBA finals and the Superbowl.
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^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
No its a better sport, otherwise NBA, NFL would be played globally. Are you saying Football is less physical than basketball? I ahrdly think so. And you keep saying how its only little girls n shit that like football, but all you yanks were wetting your pants with excitement in 94 when the world cup was there.
And stop hitting the diss button you faggot.
The crowds at the world cup were bigger than NBA finals and the Superbowl.
NBA IS played globally, you fuckin moron...And Europeans are not built to play a game like football.
PS -1 for claiming I dissed you when I don't give a shit about you and don't even know who you are.
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^^^^^^
If you think im readin all that your smoking something.
There are some HUGE rugby players, but they dont make provisions for them and say "Well this guys huge, everyone put on their gay ass shoulder pads and helmet 2day"....Nah they get on with it.
Im not denying how tough the nfl is no doubt, but imo rugby is tougher. Will someone on this website change my opinion? Probably not.
FOOTBALL , and i mean the globally recognized football, not the americanized bullshit version, is the greatest sport in the world. Hence its bigger worldwide than any other sport. Is anyone on this website going to change my opinion that? Definetely not.
key word SOME
rugby player are tough i'm not denying that, BUT many defensive linemen in the NFL would KILL people in a rugby league the way they go at it here in the US
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^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
No its a better sport, otherwise NBA, NFL would be played globally. Are you saying Football is less physical than basketball? I ahrdly think so. And you keep saying how its only little girls n shit that like football, but all you yanks were wetting your pants with excitement in 94 when the world cup was there.
And stop hitting the diss button you faggot.
The crowds at the world cup were bigger than NBA finals and the Superbowl.
i'm sorry anysport with score like1-0 is a whack sport IMO
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^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
No its a better sport, otherwise NBA, NFL would be played globally. Are you saying Football is less physical than basketball? I ahrdly think so. And you keep saying how its only little girls n shit that like football, but all you yanks were wetting your pants with excitement in 94 when the world cup was there.
And stop hitting the diss button you faggot.
The crowds at the world cup were bigger than NBA finals and the Superbowl.
i'm sorry anysport with score like1-0 is a whack sport IMO
Wait a minute. Arent you English?
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^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
No its a better sport, otherwise NBA, NFL would be played globally. Are you saying Football is less physical than basketball? I ahrdly think so. And you keep saying how its only little girls n shit that like football, but all you yanks were wetting your pants with excitement in 94 when the world cup was there.
And stop hitting the diss button you faggot.
The crowds at the world cup were bigger than NBA finals and the Superbowl.
NBA IS played globally, you fuckin moron...And Europeans are not built to play a game like football.
PS -1 for claiming I dissed you when I don't give a shit about you and don't even know who you are.
LOL, you funny NIK. So youre saying in Europe there only live little small, thin people who would break it they played american football....
And youre saying football is easier to play? lol, football is a lot more difficult then american football. With american football you keep a bal in your hands, so its easier cuz your a lot better with your hands. But with football you play with your feet, and controlling something with your feet is a lot harder then controlling something with your hands.
Steal a football from your little sister, and try to do this:
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8786/hakje5at1bzgk6.gif)
It looks easy, but you have to have some real technique to do this.
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^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
No its a better sport, otherwise NBA, NFL would be played globally. Are you saying Football is less physical than basketball? I ahrdly think so. And you keep saying how its only little girls n shit that like football, but all you yanks were wetting your pants with excitement in 94 when the world cup was there.
And stop hitting the diss button you faggot.
The crowds at the world cup were bigger than NBA finals and the Superbowl.
NBA IS played globally, you fuckin moron...And Europeans are not built to play a game like football.
PS -1 for claiming I dissed you when I don't give a shit about you and don't even know who you are.
LOL, you funny NIK. So youre saying in Europe there only live little small, thin people who would break it they played american football....
And youre saying football is easier to play? lol, football is a lot more difficult then american football. With american football you keep a bal in your hands, so its easier cuz your a lot better with your hands. But with football you play with your feet, and controlling something with your feet is a lot harder then controlling something with your hands.
Steal a football from your little sister, and try to do this:
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8786/hakje5at1bzgk6.gif)
It looks easy, but you have to have some real technique to do this.
its harder to kick a ball maybe...And youre crazy if you think it takes more skill to play soccer!! Try playing QB in the NFL! american football takes more nuts and is a differnt mindstate then playing soccer or Football as you would call it. You are getting hit EVERY PLAY! I am not saying Europeans couldnt do it, but for some reason they DONT! Football takes more physicallity and you dont feel sore all week after you play a soccer game i played for 8 years as well as American football for 10 so i can say the difference between both.
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I cant belive anyone would try and say NFL is more skillful than football, it is actualy beyond belief.
NFL = Run, Catch,Throw+ Kick (occasionally while someone holds the ball for you and no1 is within 10 yards of you. haha!) Sorry can someone help me out here? Oh wait, yeah, lets stop the game completely after every play. BoOOOOOOORIIIIIING.
SOme of the best football games iv ever seen have been 0 - 0. (See Celtic vs Barcelona in the Nou Camp)
And lets not talk about fans, Like Antonio said, Napoli in the third tier of italian football, whats the equivalent of that, McMahons xfl or sumthin? lol 90, 000 people every second week. Does the superbowl get that? Oh but wait, millions watch it on tv. So fuckin what, there the same people that only watch the nba finals, or the world series, not fans just people who like big occasions.
And NIK can you even name me 20 players who play basketball in Europe who have never Played against usa/played in NBA? Only a minority worldwide give a fuck about ne other sport than football.
^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
No its a better sport, otherwise NBA, NFL would be played globally. Are you saying Football is less physical than basketball? I ahrdly think so. And you keep saying how its only little girls n shit that like football, but all you yanks were wetting your pants with excitement in 94 when the world cup was there.
And stop hitting the diss button you faggot.
The crowds at the world cup were bigger than NBA finals and the Superbowl.
NBA IS played globally, you fuckin moron...And Europeans are not built to play a game like football.
PS -1 for claiming I dissed you when I don't give a shit about you and don't even know who you are.
Oh im hurt, KOBE with 20, 000 posts on an internet forum doesnt know who i am.
Also football players like Zidane, Ronaldinho, Maradona, Platini, Dalglish have more skill in one foot than any NFL/NBA/MLB player, that is an undeniable fact.
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^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
No its a better sport, otherwise NBA, NFL would be played globally. Are you saying Football is less physical than basketball? I ahrdly think so. And you keep saying how its only little girls n shit that like football, but all you yanks were wetting your pants with excitement in 94 when the world cup was there.
And stop hitting the diss button you faggot.
The crowds at the world cup were bigger than NBA finals and the Superbowl.
i'm sorry anysport with score like1-0 is a whack sport IMO
Whats the difference, 96-95 is the same as 1-0 in theory, its harder to score in football, but that doesn't make it worse, because all of the general play goes into creating those chances to get the deciding goal.
On the skill side of things, it's very subjective, but apart from a quarterback, who else in an NFL team actually has any creative say in the game, no-one, all of the other attacking positions are basically about people because faster and stronger than their opponents because all they are doing is running, with or without the ball. In football there are infinitely more possiblities when attacking, controlling a ball with your feet and going past people has as much to do with the skill of manipulating the ball as it does the physical attributes of the player.
If you took one person ideally built for American Football who'd never played it before, they could do the majority of the running and defensive game to a passable level and get by. You try doing the same with football and the person will be useless because they won't be able to keep control of the ball properly or have the technique to pass or shoot the ball properly. It would take a lot of more coaching to get them to a passable level.
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Lol at arguing over 2 sports which suck and are boring as fuck.. Rugby and US Football
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i'm sorry anysport with score like1-0 is a whack sport IMO
That's because you have an attention span which can only be measured in nano-seconds.
A sport like basketball entertains you so much because you are becoming excited practically every 20 seconds.
Whereas we have a thing called patience, we can sit and watch a game for 90mins with maybe 10-15 seconds of great excitement and go home happy.
(http://www.epica-awards.org/assets/epica/2005/winners/films/screenshots/images/05512_guinness12.jpg)
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The score thing is not a valid argument... I like B-Ball to death, but watching a 115-70 blowout is nothing to be happy... and you can have a great game in football finishing 0-0... why everybody bitchin about sports they like or not.. I if I don't like, I don't care
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The score thing is not a valid argument... I like B-Ball to death, but watching a 115-70 blowout is nothing to be happy... and you can have a great game in football finishing 0-0... why everybody bitchin about sports they like or not.. I if I don't like, I don't care
Good point.
The score doesn't precisely measure how entertaining a game is.
The other night Arsenal drew 0-0 in the CL and it was a very entertaining game.
I've watched some games wth 5, 6, 7 goals and been bored to death.
Just because it is high-scoring doesn't mean it's exciting.
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I cant belive anyone would try and say NFL is more skillful than football, it is actualy beyond belief.
NFL = Run, Catch,Throw+ Kick (occasionally while someone holds the ball for you and no1 is within 10 yards of you. haha!) Sorry can someone help me out here? Oh wait, yeah, lets stop the game completely after every play. BoOOOOOOORIIIIIING.
SOme of the best football games iv ever seen have been 0 - 0. (See Celtic vs Barcelona in the Nou Camp)
And lets not talk about fans, Like Antonio said, Napoli in the third tier of italian football, whats the equivalent of that, McMahons xfl or sumthin? lol 90, 000 people every second week. Does the superbowl get that? Oh but wait, millions watch it on tv. So fuckin what, there the same people that only watch the nba finals, or the world series, not fans just people who like big occasions.
And NIK can you even name me 20 players who play basketball in Europe who have never Played against usa/played in NBA? Only a minority worldwide give a fuck about ne other sport than football.
^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
No its a better sport, otherwise NBA, NFL would be played globally. Are you saying Football is less physical than basketball? I ahrdly think so. And you keep saying how its only little girls n shit that like football, but all you yanks were wetting your pants with excitement in 94 when the world cup was there.
And stop hitting the diss button you faggot.
The crowds at the world cup were bigger than NBA finals and the Superbowl.
NBA IS played globally, you fuckin moron...And Europeans are not built to play a game like football.
PS -1 for claiming I dissed you when I don't give a shit about you and don't even know who you are.
Oh im hurt, KOBE with 20, 000 posts on an internet forum doesnt know who i am.
Also football players like Zidane, Ronaldinho, Maradona, Platini, Dalglish have more skill in one foot than any NFL/NBA/MLB player, that is an undeniable fact.
LOL! football takes the most STRATEGY, BALLS, AND INTENSITY MORE THEN ANY OTHER SPORT!!!!! And Id like to see one of these Soccer Players run a slant route across the middle and get there head knocked off. Fuck outta here. And i dont care if NOBODY Across the world cares about NFL Football..I LIVE IN AMERICA! Thats what matters to me. and in America SOCCER AINT SHIT...Americans are the biggest and strongest thats why AMERICAN FOOTBALL Is NUMBER 1! Soccer Takes NO BALLS at all! And you can argue about Skill all day..
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Sorry but I have to laugh... some believing Soccer ain't physical ....
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There is one talented player in an american football team - the quarter-back.
Quarter-backs have to be able to throw pin-point passes sometimes over 100 yards or whatever - that requires talent.
You might argue about wide-receivers, but all they need to do is run as fast as they can into space - the quarter-back gets the ball to THEM.
The rest of the team are really strong, massive, physical athletes. But you can't actually believe they are talented. All they do is stand in the way and try and block people off the whole game.
Footballers on the other hand, every position requires a certain amount of technical attributes.
In a great football team, every single player will be talented in their own way. The same can't be said for american football.
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For anyone who thinks football isn't physical
http://www.youtube.com/v/7B-7lkAZeVc http://www.youtube.com/v/2yDLyZ5VJcc
From the 1st video - the guy injured at 2:00 was hospitalised, the guy injured at 3:30 never played again.
From the 2nd video - the violence speaks for itself.
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There is one talented player in an american football team - the quarter-back.
Quarter-backs have to be able to throw pin-point passes sometimes over 100 yards or whatever - that requires talent.
You might argue about wide-receivers, but all they need to do is run as fast as they can into space - the quarter-back gets the ball to THEM.
The rest of the team are really strong, massive, physical athletes. But you can't actually believe they are talented. All they do is stand in the way and try and block people off the whole game.
Footballers on the other hand, every position requires a certain amount of technical attributes.
In a great football team, every single player will be talented in their own way. The same can't be said for american football.
+1
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There is a lot more contact outside the field:
http://www.youtube.com/v/yjCmb3Y90Pw&autoplay=0
And this is why you only support 1 team.
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Why are you autoplaying 2 videos?
One of which I posted on the previous page!
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lol i didnt check the previous page.
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For anyone who thinks football isn't physical
http://www.youtube.com/v/7B-7lkAZeVc http://www.youtube.com/v/2yDLyZ5VJcc
From the 1st video - the guy injured at 2:00 was hospitalised, the guy injured at 3:30 never played again.
From the 2nd video - the violence speaks for itself.
I never said SOCCER wasnt physical i said it isnt as Phsyical as American Football, and if you think it is you need a cat scan. And to say that there is only 1 talented athlete in football is the most ridicolous thing i have ever heard in my fuckin life.
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^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
No its a better sport, otherwise NBA, NFL would be played globally. Are you saying Football is less physical than basketball? I ahrdly think so. And you keep saying how its only little girls n shit that like football, but all you yanks were wetting your pants with excitement in 94 when the world cup was there.
And stop hitting the diss button you faggot.
The crowds at the world cup were bigger than NBA finals and the Superbowl.
i'm sorry anysport with score like1-0 is a whack sport IMO
Wait a minute. Arent you English?
lol no
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^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
No its a better sport, otherwise NBA, NFL would be played globally. Are you saying Football is less physical than basketball? I ahrdly think so. And you keep saying how its only little girls n shit that like football, but all you yanks were wetting your pants with excitement in 94 when the world cup was there.
And stop hitting the diss button you faggot.
The crowds at the world cup were bigger than NBA finals and the Superbowl.
NBA IS played globally, you fuckin moron...And Europeans are not built to play a game like football.
PS -1 for claiming I dissed you when I don't give a shit about you and don't even know who you are.
LOL, you funny NIK. So youre saying in Europe there only live little small, thin people who would break it they played american football....
And youre saying football is easier to play? lol, football is a lot more difficult then american football. With american football you keep a bal in your hands, so its easier cuz your a lot better with your hands. But with football you play with your feet, and controlling something with your feet is a lot harder then controlling something with your hands.
Steal a football from your little sister, and try to do this:
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8786/hakje5at1bzgk6.gif)
It looks easy, but you have to have some real technique to do this.
people without arms can drive stick shift cars and trucks, just because american football you use your hands more doesn't make it less difficult. it's not like. point being anyone who trains a part of their body will excell with that. try being a wide receiver for an NFL team trying to run 40 yards down field as fast as you can and feeling where the football is going to land with all of your senses (excluding site sometimes mind you) catching the ball AND HOLDING ON TO IT while 2 maybe three guys who can run just as fast as you hit you with as much force as a Ford f350. then getting back up and doing it for 3 more hours. OR swating being able to drag down a 235 lb tank with one hand ......
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i'm sorry anysport with score like1-0 is a whack sport IMO
That's because you have an attention span which can only be measured in nano-seconds.
A sport like basketball entertains you so much because you are becoming excited practically every 20 seconds.
Whereas we have a thing called patience, we can sit and watch a game for 90mins with maybe 10-15 seconds of great excitement and go home happy.
(http://www.epica-awards.org/assets/epica/2005/winners/films/screenshots/images/05512_guinness12.jpg)
so wait...let me get this straight, you euros are accusing americans of having short attention spans for liking basketball , but condone our football becuase there's too many breaks AND our pastime baseball because it moves too slow?
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^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
No its a better sport, otherwise NBA, NFL would be played globally. Are you saying Football is less physical than basketball? I ahrdly think so. And you keep saying how its only little girls n shit that like football, but all you yanks were wetting your pants with excitement in 94 when the world cup was there.
And stop hitting the diss button you faggot.
The crowds at the world cup were bigger than NBA finals and the Superbowl.
i'm sorry anysport with score like1-0 is a whack sport IMO
Whats the difference, 96-95 is the same as 1-0 in theory, its harder to score in football, but that doesn't make it worse, because all of the general play goes into creating those chances to get the deciding goal.
On the skill side of things, it's very subjective, but apart from a quarterback, who else in an NFL team actually has any creative say in the game, no-one, all of the other attacking positions are basically about people because faster and stronger than their opponents because all they are doing is running, with or without the ball.
so you mean to tell me ray lewis is just aimlessly running around on the field, you mean to tell me that lofa tatupu just runs forward and just tries to knock a random guy down, you mean to tell me that larry allen just sits there in fron of the quarter back , you mean to tell me that tiki barber just runs around the fileld with no general direction. randy moss , terrell owens, and andre johnson just run aimlessly around the field ? ed reed just sits in the back field waiting for someone with the ball to get near him?
dude rent madden sometime and study some of those plays. there are audibles that occur in real time , both defensively and offensively, our football is very intellectual MORE intellectual than any physical sport out there.
In football there are infinitely more possiblities when attacking, controlling a ball with your feet and going past people has as much to do with the skill of manipulating the ball as it does the physical attributes of the player.
tomilson does that EVERYweek, barry sanders did that for 10 years, Jerry Rice did that for 20 years, every offensive weapon in our football does that, check out some reggie bush highlights from USC and how he manipulates the ball (he doesn't just always run with it under his arm) to get past a defender or to gain extra yards
If you took one person ideally built for American Football who'd never played it before, they could do the majority of the running and defensive game to a passable level and get by. You try doing the same with football and the person will be useless because they won't be able to keep control of the ball properly or have the technique to pass or shoot the ball properly. It would take a lot of more coaching to get them to a passable level.
and you're basing that off of....?? let me tell you one thing, it takes a lot more than just physical build to play football, you actually have to have some kind of talent to play ALL of the posistions, you don't just go get 6'4 300 lb dude to go block for you in the trench or a 6'2 276 lb guy to go in as a right or left defensive end. like i said before these 300 lb mamoths ARE huge but they're fast, and have to coordinate traps and holes for backs to run through. if football was so easy there wouldn't be a need for a coaching STAFF. the head coach would be able to do it all
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i'm sorry anysport with score like1-0 is a whack sport IMO
That's because you have an attention span which can only be measured in nano-seconds.
A sport like basketball entertains you so much because you are becoming excited practically every 20 seconds.
Whereas we have a thing called patience, we can sit and watch a game for 90mins with maybe 10-15 seconds of great excitement and go home happy.
(http://www.epica-awards.org/assets/epica/2005/winners/films/screenshots/images/05512_guinness12.jpg)
so wait...let me get this straight, you euros are accusing americans of having short attention spans for liking basketball , but condone our football becuase there's too many breaks AND our pastime baseball because it moves too slow?
What are you blabbering about? Who said we condone american rugby because of breaks? That is posibly the most annoying part. There is a huge difference betwen playing a patient game of football and stopping the game every, what, minute?
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^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
No its a better sport, otherwise NBA, NFL would be played globally. Are you saying Football is less physical than basketball? I ahrdly think so. And you keep saying how its only little girls n shit that like football, but all you yanks were wetting your pants with excitement in 94 when the world cup was there.
And stop hitting the diss button you faggot.
The crowds at the world cup were bigger than NBA finals and the Superbowl.
NBA IS played globally, you fuckin moron...And Europeans are not built to play a game like football.
PS -1 for claiming I dissed you when I don't give a shit about you and don't even know who you are.
LOL, you funny NIK. So youre saying in Europe there only live little small, thin people who would break it they played american football....
And youre saying football is easier to play? lol, football is a lot more difficult then american football. With american football you keep a bal in your hands, so its easier cuz your a lot better with your hands. But with football you play with your feet, and controlling something with your feet is a lot harder then controlling something with your hands.
Steal a football from your little sister, and try to do this:
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8786/hakje5at1bzgk6.gif)
It looks easy, but you have to have some real technique to do this.
I said what I said, why do you have to ask me what I'm saying, unless you have a very low intelligence level (which seems to be the case). The average American is much much bigger than the average Englishman (<LOL). If you're too dumb to understand this, I'm sorry, I'm not a teacher...And my sister doesn't have a football, cuz unlike soccer, football is a MAN'S sport. But I'm sure I'd be able to do that gay little thing if I really practiced at it, especially if I was a pro soccer player...
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And NIK can you even name me 20 players who play basketball in Europe who have never Played against usa/played in NBA? Only a minority worldwide give a fuck about ne other sport than football.
^^This moron doesn't seem to realize how big Euroleague basketball is nowadays. :grumpy:
Oh im hurt, KOBE with 20, 000 posts on an internet forum doesnt know who i am.
Also football players like Zidane, Ronaldinho, Maradona, Platini, Dalglish have more skill in one foot than any NFL/NBA/MLB player, that is an undeniable fact.
Kill yourself NOW if you actually believe those fags are nearly as skilled as someone like Magic Johnson or nearly as athletic as a Kobe or a Jordan.
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i'm sorry anysport with score like1-0 is a whack sport IMO
That's because you have an attention span which can only be measured in nano-seconds.
A sport like basketball entertains you so much because you are becoming excited practically every 20 seconds.
Whereas we have a thing called patience, we can sit and watch a game for 90mins with maybe 10-15 seconds of great excitement and go home happy.
(http://www.epica-awards.org/assets/epica/2005/winners/films/screenshots/images/05512_guinness12.jpg)
LOL! Great mind-state! Why seek more excitement when you can watch soccer and get excited for 15-20 seconds... :-X
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i'm sorry anysport with score like1-0 is a whack sport IMO
That's because you have an attention span which can only be measured in nano-seconds.
A sport like basketball entertains you so much because you are becoming excited practically every 20 seconds.
Whereas we have a thing called patience, we can sit and watch a game for 90mins with maybe 10-15 seconds of great excitement and go home happy.
(http://www.epica-awards.org/assets/epica/2005/winners/films/screenshots/images/05512_guinness12.jpg)
so wait...let me get this straight, you euros are accusing americans of having short attention spans for liking basketball , but condone our football becuase there's too many breaks AND our pastime baseball because it moves too slow?
What are you blabbering about? Who said we condone american rugby because of breaks? That is posibly the most annoying part. There is a huge difference betwen playing a patient game of football and stopping the game every, what, minute?
at least something happens every minute.lol i'd rather there watching them take 'breaks' every minute than sitting there for three hours hoping at least one minute of excitement.
also you say it's all about patience with soccer....let me get this straight then , baseball and our football should be two of your favorite sports then!
wow that's tremendous logic
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There is one talented player in an american football team - the quarter-back.
Quarter-backs have to be able to throw pin-point passes sometimes over 100 yards or whatever - that requires talent.
You might argue about wide-receivers, but all they need to do is run as fast as they can into space - the quarter-back gets the ball to THEM.
The rest of the team are really strong, massive, physical athletes. But you can't actually believe they are talented. All they do is stand in the way and try and block people off the whole game.
Footballers on the other hand, every position requires a certain amount of technical attributes.
In a great football team, every single player will be talented in their own way. The same can't be said for american football.
Wow you sound so stupid. Don Jacob said it all man. He already sonned ya'll there really isnt much left for me to say ;D
Whatever is better is a matter of opinion. But all of you Euros really sound stupid and sound like you KNOW nothing about American Football, so please dont make yourselves sound any worse.
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He already sonned ya'll there really isnt much left for me to say ;D
Hmmm. Na.
at least something happens every minute.lol i'd rather there watching them take 'breaks' every minute than sitting there for three hours hoping at least one minute of excitement.
also you say it's all about patience with soccer....let me get this straight then , baseball and our football should be two of your favorite sports then!
wow that's tremendous logic
In have never seen an american football score of 0-0. There is at least scoring in 99% of games.
If a football game finishes 0-0, nothing would be thought of it. If an american football game finishes 0-0 - that would be astonishing. The same would go for baseball but not as much. A 0-0 final score would be seen as rare.
Someone please tell me they see the difference as this is starting to get exhausting. :sleep:
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He already sonned ya'll there really isnt much left for me to say ;D
Hmmm. Na.
at least something happens every minute.lol i'd rather there watching them take 'breaks' every minute than sitting there for three hours hoping at least one minute of excitement.
also you say it's all about patience with soccer....let me get this straight then , baseball and our football should be two of your favorite sports then!
wow that's tremendous logic
In have never seen an american football score of 0-0. There is at least scoring in 99% of games.
If a football game finishes 0-0, nothing would be thought of it. If an american football game finishes 0-0 - that would be astonishing. The same would go for baseball but not as much. A 0-0 final score would be seen as rare.
Someone please tell me they see the difference as this is starting to get exhausting. :sleep:
what's the point of competing then if you're not going to score? that's the gayest shit i ever heard.
that's like saying "i'm going to go out and mack to as many hot chicks as possible and get all of them to the point where they want to bone me down but go home and jack off instead"
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He already sonned ya'll there really isnt much left for me to say ;D
Hmmm. Na.
at least something happens every minute.lol i'd rather there watching them take 'breaks' every minute than sitting there for three hours hoping at least one minute of excitement.
also you say it's all about patience with soccer....let me get this straight then , baseball and our football should be two of your favorite sports then!
wow that's tremendous logic
In have never seen an american football score of 0-0. There is at least scoring in 99% of games.
If a football game finishes 0-0, nothing would be thought of it. If an american football game finishes 0-0 - that would be astonishing. The same would go for baseball but not as much. A 0-0 final score would be seen as rare.
Someone please tell me they see the difference as this is starting to get exhausting. :sleep:
what's the point of competing then if you're not going to score? that's the gayest shit i ever heard.
that's like saying "i'm going to go out and mack to as many hot chicks as possible and get all of them to the point where they want to bone me down but go home and jack off instead"
You don't fail to score out of choice, don't be retarded.
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^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
No its a better sport, otherwise NBA, NFL would be played globally. Are you saying Football is less physical than basketball? I ahrdly think so. And you keep saying how its only little girls n shit that like football, but all you yanks were wetting your pants with excitement in 94 when the world cup was there.
And stop hitting the diss button you faggot.
The crowds at the world cup were bigger than NBA finals and the Superbowl.
NBA IS played globally, you fuckin moron...And Europeans are not built to play a game like football.
PS -1 for claiming I dissed you when I don't give a shit about you and don't even know who you are.
LOL, you funny NIK. So youre saying in Europe there only live little small, thin people who would break it they played american football....
And youre saying football is easier to play? lol, football is a lot more difficult then american football. With american football you keep a bal in your hands, so its easier cuz your a lot better with your hands. But with football you play with your feet, and controlling something with your feet is a lot harder then controlling something with your hands.
Steal a football from your little sister, and try to do this:
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8786/hakje5at1bzgk6.gif)
It looks easy, but you have to have some real technique to do this.
I said what I said, why do you have to ask me what I'm saying, unless you have a very low intelligence level (which seems to be the case). The average American is much much bigger than the average Englishman (<LOL). If you're too dumb to understand this, I'm sorry, I'm not a teacher...And my sister doesn't have a football, cuz unlike soccer, football is a MAN'S sport. But I'm sure I'd be able to do that gay little thing if I really practiced at it, especially if I was a pro soccer player...
LOL NIK, youre contradicting yourself as always. And Acusing me of having a low intelligence level...
Let me explain, First you say EUROPEANS arent able to play american football. Then i responded to it, cuz i just couldnt believe anyone (even you) couldnt be that stupid.
And then you say the average ENGLISH man is smaller the average American man. LOL. First you were talking about EUROPEANS.
Let me explain something to you. Pay attention NIK you just might learn something.
Europe is a continent (just like North America is). England is just one country of Europe. Europe has many many countries. A lot more then North America.
So England doesnt represent Europe.
Are you still getting it? If you dont understand this i can post a map of Europe. Im pretty sure even your tiny little brain will understand this.
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i'm sorry anysport with score like1-0 is a whack sport IMO
That's because you have an attention span which can only be measured in nano-seconds.
A sport like basketball entertains you so much because you are becoming excited practically every 20 seconds.
Whereas we have a thing called patience, we can sit and watch a game for 90mins with maybe 10-15 seconds of great excitement and go home happy.
(http://www.epica-awards.org/assets/epica/2005/winners/films/screenshots/images/05512_guinness12.jpg)
so wait...let me get this straight, you euros are accusing americans of having short attention spans for liking basketball , but condone our football becuase there's too many breaks AND our pastime baseball because it moves too slow?
What are you blabbering about? Who said we condone american rugby because of breaks? That is posibly the most annoying part. There is a huge difference betwen playing a patient game of football and stopping the game every, what, minute?
at least something happens every minute.lol i'd rather there watching them take 'breaks' every minute than sitting there for three hours hoping at least one minute of excitement.
also you say it's all about patience with soccer....let me get this straight then , baseball and our football should be two of your favorite sports then!
wow that's tremendous logic
Wait a minute, are you aware that a football game doesnt last longer then 90 minutes (1 and a half hour). And when there is a cup match it could last 120 minutes (2 hours) at most. I dont now how you americans play football in America, but over here its not three hours. That just might explain why its so boring.
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i'm sorry anysport with score like1-0 is a whack sport IMO
That's because you have an attention span which can only be measured in nano-seconds.
A sport like basketball entertains you so much because you are becoming excited practically every 20 seconds.
Whereas we have a thing called patience, we can sit and watch a game for 90mins with maybe 10-15 seconds of great excitement and go home happy.
(http://www.epica-awards.org/assets/epica/2005/winners/films/screenshots/images/05512_guinness12.jpg)
so wait...let me get this straight, you euros are accusing americans of having short attention spans for liking basketball , but condone our football becuase there's too many breaks AND our pastime baseball because it moves too slow?
What are you blabbering about? Who said we condone american rugby because of breaks? That is posibly the most annoying part. There is a huge difference betwen playing a patient game of football and stopping the game every, what, minute?
at least something happens every minute.lol i'd rather there watching them take 'breaks' every minute than sitting there for three hours hoping at least one minute of excitement.
also you say it's all about patience with soccer....let me get this straight then , baseball and our football should be two of your favorite sports then!
wow that's tremendous logic
Wait a minute, are you aware that a football game doesnt last longer then 90 minutes (1 and a half hour). And when there is a cup match it could last 120 minutes (2 hours) at most. I dont now how you americans play football in America, but over here its not three hours. That just might explain why its so boring.
Boring to you, but not boring to people that like sports that involve more then then feet ;D
This is a pointless argument. Europeans like Soccer better and Americans like AMERICAN FOOTBALL better...LOCK THIS THREAD PLZ
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^^It's bigger worldwide because it came first and Europeans identify with it more (it's easier for them to play, since it's A LOT less physical), not because it's a better sport... ::)
No its a better sport, otherwise NBA, NFL would be played globally. Are you saying Football is less physical than basketball? I ahrdly think so. And you keep saying how its only little girls n shit that like football, but all you yanks were wetting your pants with excitement in 94 when the world cup was there.
And stop hitting the diss button you faggot.
The crowds at the world cup were bigger than NBA finals and the Superbowl.
NBA IS played globally, you fuckin moron...And Europeans are not built to play a game like football.
PS -1 for claiming I dissed you when I don't give a shit about you and don't even know who you are.
LOL, you funny NIK. So youre saying in Europe there only live little small, thin people who would break it they played american football....
And youre saying football is easier to play? lol, football is a lot more difficult then american football. With american football you keep a bal in your hands, so its easier cuz your a lot better with your hands. But with football you play with your feet, and controlling something with your feet is a lot harder then controlling something with your hands.
Steal a football from your little sister, and try to do this:
(http://img148.imageshack.us/img148/8786/hakje5at1bzgk6.gif)
It looks easy, but you have to have some real technique to do this.
I said what I said, why do you have to ask me what I'm saying, unless you have a very low intelligence level (which seems to be the case). The average American is much much bigger than the average Englishman (<LOL). If you're too dumb to understand this, I'm sorry, I'm not a teacher...And my sister doesn't have a football, cuz unlike soccer, football is a MAN'S sport. But I'm sure I'd be able to do that gay little thing if I really practiced at it, especially if I was a pro soccer player...
LOL NIK, youre contradicting yourself as always. And Acusing me of having a low intelligence level...
Let me explain, First you say EUROPEANS arent able to play american football. Then i responded to it, cuz i just couldnt believe anyone (even you) couldnt be that stupid.
And then you say the average ENGLISH man is smaller the average American man. LOL. First you were talking about EUROPEANS.
Let me explain something to you. Pay attention NIK you just might learn something.
Europe is a continent (just like North America is). England is just one country of Europe. Europe has many many countries. A lot more then North America.
So England doesnt represent Europe.
Are you still getting it? If you dont understand this i can post a map of Europe. Im pretty sure even your tiny little brain will understand this.
LMAO@this stupid muthafucka thinking he's teaching me something...I know the difference between England and Europe, you damn moron, I'm not you...The point is that most of the fags complaining are English and the average English fag is smaller and more frail than the average American. Understood yet? I didn't say all Europeans are English, only your dumbass would make a mistake on something so blatant. And I never said Europeans aren't able to play football, dumbshit, I said most of them aren't built for it, especially compared to Americans...How dumb can a dumbfuck get? I'd cut you some slack since you don't speak English, but you're still fucking dumb...
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