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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: .:DaYg0sTyLz:. on May 15, 2009, 01:26:00 PM
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Who is to blame for the bullshit music that gets put out today? A lot of people keep pointing fingers at the artists (including myself at times). But are the artists really to blame? Or are they simply giving the people what they want? I think the Hip Hop fanbase has changed so drastically, that we now have to hear what the majority of so called Hip Hop fans want...and thats watered down, booty-shake, bullshit Hip Hop that should be considered more Pop then anything. Whatta yall think?
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The fans
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tha majors
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tha majors
Nope. They are looking after their interests and their employees. They're catering to the paying customer.
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its the majors and the artists
for example
you have a underground rapper like tech n9ne who finally is gettin coast to coast support but hasnt appeared on mtv, bet, etc....every day but if he were signed to def jam he would, but in order to be signed and release a album you got to make that lil wayne type shit and he wont do that
so yeah its the artists for backin down
another example
g malone
he went to the south for help but if he wants to he can outrap everyone hes tryna get help from, why da fuck do you go to the south for help when your better than them?
cuz the label will only release his album if he has akon or tpain on his album
therefore its the artists and the majors
tha majors
Nope. They are looking after their interests and their employees. They're catering to the paying customer.
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its the majors and the artists
for example
you have a underground rapper like tech n9ne who finally is gettin coast to coast support but hasnt appeared on mtv, bet, etc....every day but if he were signed to def jam he would, but in order to be signed and release a album you got to make that lil wayne type shit and he wont do that
so yeah its the artists for backin down
another example
g malone
he went to the south for help but if he wants to he can outrap everyone hes tryna get help from, why da fuck do you go to the south for help when your better than them?
cuz the label will only release his album if he has akon or tpain on his album
therefore its the artists and the majors
tha majors
Nope. They are looking after their interests and their employees. They're catering to the paying customer.
I use this analogy...
McDonalds makes food that is fast and easy, but very bad for us. They dont make it because they like to make it, they make it because its what customers want from them. When people started to become more health conscious, they introduced salads to their menu. Its a business so they provide what the customer asks for. I think the same thing is happening with Rap music.
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good way of lookin at it but fact is if mtv co-sgined tech n9ne (decades ago or at anytime) imagine the fanbase he would reach out to and imagine what his sales would be?
aite it might not be 10's of millions but I think it would be more than what it is
but thats the grind, he started from scratch and hes not askin for anyones help and hes sellin less units but hes makin some of the greatest muzik there is offered
so some of the greatest muzik offered vs bow wow, yung joc, nelly (no competition)
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I think like alot of other things music is very trend based now. Labels will go with a "safe bet" dance song or album over something that might get critical acclaim but not as much commerical. Both the fans and the labels are at fault if you even want to say that. But like everything else, it goes in cycles.
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yeah the fans are at fault but to a certain degree
i dont blame nelly entirely, but its his muzik thats always on the radio
if they would (its too late now) but if they would have split the radio time wit
tech n9ne, krs one, nelly, nate dogg, mitchy slick, planet asia and more
instead of
nelly, bow wow, jay-z, jim jones, lil wayne and all that commercial wack shit it be dope
but fuck it, the underground rappers are gettin their shine on their own from their own grind without mtv, bet etc..
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good way of lookin at it but fact is if mtv co-sgined tech n9ne (decades ago or at anytime) imagine the fanbase he would reach out to and imagine what his sales would be?
aite it might not be 10's of millions but I think it would be more than what it is
but thats the grind, he started from scratch and hes not askin for anyones help and hes sellin less units but hes makin some of the greatest muzik there is offered
so some of the greatest muzik offered vs bow wow, yung joc, nelly (no competition)
But MTV, IS like McDonalds in my analogy. They provide a service to their customers. MTV customers dont wanna hear tech n9ne. MTV viewers are 13 yr old girls. I agree, obviously, tech n9ne > Bow wow, etc. But the reality is, "hip hop fans" nowadays are not what they used to be. We (not the Hip Pop fans) are the minority now. More bitches are listenin to hip hop, more little kids are, so we either get this Mickey Mouse bullshit....or bootyshake music all over the radio and tv. Again, another reason I never tune in to the TV or radio for music...
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AGAIN GOOD POINTS DAYGO
but if mickey d's were to sell say a new product (jollyranchers which to many are dope but not everyone knows of or about that type of candy)
so they start sellin jollyranchers and then the muffuccaz that aint never had them are startin to have them
and thats what im sayin about rappers like tech n9ne
if mtv would have given him a chance, the same type of fanbase that never heard of him, start hearin of him (that otherwise would never hear of him) and are feelin his muzik
FUCK THA INDUSTRY AT ALL COSTS
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AGAIN GOOD POINTS DAYGO
but if mickey d's were to sell say a new product (jollyranchers which to many are dope but not everyone knows of or about that type of candy)
so they start sellin jollyranchers and then the muffuccaz that aint never had them are startin to have them
and thats what im sayin about rappers like tech n9ne
if mtv would have given him a chance, the same type of fanbase that never heard of him, start hearin of him (that otherwise would never hear of him) and are feelin his muzik
FUCK THA INDUSTRY AT ALL COSTS
That would be cool and all. Believe me, i been sayin that the best rappers out there are the ones nobody ever heard of, yah know? But from MTV's point of view, what would be their motivation for that? They would assume all the risk. They would put an artist on there who MIGHT blow up, might not. For them it makes more sense to put artists on who have already blown up. Unfortunately today, the artists who are blowing up are the bullshit artists. Cus we have too many bullshit fans. Either way, theres a lot of fucked up shit. The industry is fucked, the fans are fucked....the artists, i cant even blame THEM so much. Theyre just making whatever music sells. I might hate it, and it might be ruining hip hop...but thats why i gotta search elseware for good music.
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yeah great points
thats why im thankful for rappers like krs one, tech n9ne, boot camp click, la coka nostra, planet asia who make hip-hop/rap but dont cater to them mtv fuck faces like t.i., wayne, tpain
thats why i enfore
FUCK THA INDUSTRY
and then them muffuccaz get on bet and rocsi says go cop their album, fuck nah
but then again shes jus as fake as mtv is
AGAIN GOOD POINTS DAYGO
but if mickey d's were to sell say a new product (jollyranchers which to many are dope but not everyone knows of or about that type of candy)
so they start sellin jollyranchers and then the muffuccaz that aint never had them are startin to have them
and thats what im sayin about rappers like tech n9ne
if mtv would have given him a chance, the same type of fanbase that never heard of him, start hearin of him (that otherwise would never hear of him) and are feelin his muzik
FUCK THA INDUSTRY AT ALL COSTS
That would be cool and all. Believe me, i been sayin that the best rappers out there are the ones nobody ever heard of, yah know? But from MTV's point of view, what would be their motivation for that? They would assume all the risk. They would put an artist on there who MIGHT blow up, might not. For them it makes more sense to put artists on who have already blown up. Unfortunately today, the artists who are blowing up are the bullshit artists. Cus we have too many bullshit fans. Either way, theres a lot of fucked up shit. The industry is fucked, the fans are fucked....the artists, i cant even blame THEM so much. Theyre just making whatever music sells. I might hate it, and it might be ruining hip hop...but thats why i gotta search elseware for good music.
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good way of lookin at it but fact is if mtv co-sgined tech n9ne (decades ago or at anytime) imagine the fanbase he would reach out to and imagine what his sales would be?
aite it might not be 10's of millions but I think it would be more than what it is
but thats the grind, he started from scratch and hes not askin for anyones help and hes sellin less units but hes makin some of the greatest muzik there is offered
so some of the greatest muzik offered vs bow wow, yung joc, nelly (no competition)
But MTV, IS like McDonalds in my analogy. They provide a service to their customers. MTV customers dont wanna hear tech n9ne. MTV viewers are 13 yr old girls. I agree, obviously, tech n9ne > Bow wow, etc. But the reality is, "hip hop fans" nowadays are not what they used to be. We (not the Hip Pop fans) are the minority now. More bitches are listenin to hip hop, more little kids are, so we either get this Mickey Mouse bullshit....or bootyshake music all over the radio and tv. Again, another reason I never tune in to the TV or radio for music...
I think its a combination of both, but enyce has a point. There are a bunch of independent artists who put out good music and move units without the help of radio or mtv (like tech n9ne) and they still don't get any notice from them. Majors only sign certain artists, and only major artists get attnetion.
I think part of the problem is the connection between the majors and mtv. The truth is, unless you are on a major, you won't get any airplay (except possibly in your local region) no matter how popular you are underground. It didn't used to be like that, except now clear channel owns all the radio stations and they do things a certain way. Back in the 90s there were a lot more independent radio stations. Now there are only a few companies that own everything, so everything that comes out on the air is a watered down product.
Honestly fuck mtv and fuck the majors. So we agree that there's a bunch of dope music from independent artists out there. Who gives a fuck if they are major or not? As long as they keep giving us music, and they sell enough to get by, that should be enough. Why does popularity matter so much to you guys?
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i agree with daygo. the fans want that ring tone shit. thats why wayne, tpain, kanye, etc go multi-platinum, while tech sells 500K.
i see where you coming from enyce, but MTV would have no incentive to promote an underground rapper. the mtv audience doesnt care about substance in the music, they just want that autotune in the club lets get drunk shit. PLUS, not to mention all the payola MTV gets from labels to promote their artist on a heavy rotation.
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ive been sayin FUCK THA INDUSTRY FOR YEARS and it jus so happens thats been tech n9nes movement and has numerous traxx dedicated to that exact movement
but like i said rappers like tech n9ne need mtv or for that matter tech n9ne dont need wack rappers like wayne's co-sign or nuthin why:
1.HE STARTED HIS OWN GRIND
2.HE HAS HIS OWN TOUR BUSSES THAT HE OWNS
3.HE DOES BETWEEN 250-300 SHOWS A YEAR, SOMETIMES EVEN MORE THAN THAT
4.HE HAS HIS OWN LABEL
5.HE RELEASES HIS ALBUM AND HIS ARTISTS ALBUMS
so he doesnt wait for wayne to buy him a tour bus, or for t.i. to co-sign and try and get his album out
look at jae millz?
look at red cafe?
look at saigon?
look at paopose?
not to mention "legends" like yukmouth, look how hard he is tryna to get back in the game but look at the way hes tryna come back in recordin wit tpain, akon, ray and them types, thats a failure but he wont admitt it
and theres many more?
they all waitin for that co-sign, for that shit to be fed to em, but yeah they claim they the dopest rapper alive. they all waitin for bet, mtv, help from someone wit that skrilla and that power to get them out there.
difference wit tech, he put his face and muzik out there and hes out there but at the same time
1.he makes the muzik he wants
2.he says "fuck tha industry" on his records
3.he doesnt record wit tpain, akon, rick ross etc...
but leave that mtv shit for wack rappers like t.i, wayne, slim thug, tpain who make that teenager type shit.
yeah its a loss for underground rappers but at the end of the day
PRIDE>>>mtv, bet...
MONEY>>mtv, bet
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Who is to blame for the bullshit music that gets put out today? A lot of people keep pointing fingers at the artists (including myself at times). But are the artists really to blame? Or are they simply giving the people what they want? I think the Hip Hop fanbase has changed so drastically, that we now have to hear what the majority of so called Hip Hop fans want...and thats watered down, booty-shake, bullshit Hip Hop that should be considered more Pop then anything. Whatta yall think?
the fans: they complain, but secretly support the wrong type of music
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i agree with daygo. the fans want that ring tone shit. thats why wayne, tpain, kanye, etc go multi-platinum, while tech sells 500K.
i see where you coming from enyce, but MTV would have no incentive to promote an underground rapper. the mtv audience doesnt care about substance in the music, they just want that autotune in the club lets get drunk shit. PLUS, not to mention all the payola MTV gets from labels to promote their artist on a heavy rotation.
Whats wrong with 500k? Most of the mainstream cats don't even platinum, even with all the airplay and support.
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I think its just a matter of whether or not the music media (MTV, Radio, etc) influences the fans....or do the fans influence the media. Im sure its a little bit of both. But at the end of the day, the media has to play what the fans want to hear...or else their network goes away. Like out here for example, theres been plenty of radio stations throughout the years (the most recent, 98.9) that started up with the idea of playing mostly local artists, westcoast artists....and just more REAL shit. It was all gravy at first, and slowly....they switched just like all the rest. Why? Not enough people were tuning in.
And yeah, the majors dont go after talent...we know that shit. The go after marketability. Whos got the best gimmick. But whoa re they marketing to? The fans. If tomorrow, there were more fans who wanted to hear a rapper like tech n9ne.....tech n9ne would instantly be on MTV.
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i agree with daygo. the fans want that ring tone shit. thats why wayne, tpain, kanye, etc go multi-platinum, while tech sells 500K.
i see where you coming from enyce, but MTV would have no incentive to promote an underground rapper. the mtv audience doesnt care about substance in the music, they just want that autotune in the club lets get drunk shit. PLUS, not to mention all the payola MTV gets from labels to promote their artist on a heavy rotation.
Whats wrong with 500k? Most of the mainstream cats don't even platinum, even with all the airplay and support.
if youre smart about your paper...then 500K on an Indy could net u more then goin platinum on a major. Thats for sure.
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Who is to blame for the bullshit music that gets put out today? A lot of people keep pointing fingers at the artists (including myself at times). But are the artists really to blame? Or are they simply giving the people what they want? I think the Hip Hop fanbase has changed so drastically, that we now have to hear what the majority of so called Hip Hop fans want...and thats watered down, booty-shake, bullshit Hip Hop that should be considered more Pop then anything. Whatta yall think?
the fans: they complain, but secretly support the wrong type of music
thats true, if the fans never bought whoevers album then the rapper might just think damn whats goin here? got to go back to my old style.
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I think its just a matter of whether or not the music media (MTV, Radio, etc) influences the fans....or do the fans influence the media. Im sure its a little bit of both. But at the end of the day, the media has to play what the fans want to hear...or else their network goes away. Like out here for example, theres been plenty of radio stations throughout the years (the most recent, 98.9) that started up with the idea of playing mostly local artists, westcoast artists....and just more REAL shit. It was all gravy at first, and slowly....they switched just like all the rest. Why? Not enough people were tuning in.
And yeah, the majors dont go after talent...we know that shit. The go after marketability. Whos got the best gimmick. But whoa re they marketing to? The fans. If tomorrow, there were more fans who wanted to hear a rapper like tech n9ne.....tech n9ne would instantly be on MTV.
you got a point. But I think there's also a good percentage of the fans who just follow along and listen to whoever is hot, or are just too lazy to go out and find better music. There's a TON of people who only listen to mainstream hip hop and only know about mainstream rappers. Even if they only like that pop style, there's a lot of underground rappers who emulate the pop style so you would think they'd know about those rappers as well. Lets face it, a lot of people are just sheep and only listen to what's popular, not cause of the style but just because its popular. this includes the people complaining about the state of hip hop. If they really cared they would be searching out the underground artists who are making good music and not spending all their time bitching about the popular artists.
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yeah your right rapsodie
for example:
theres a few underground groups that another member on a board kept on tellin me to check out
i didnt cuz i thought he was bullshitin and and i was thinkin they were some wanna be rappers jus tryna get in the game (and there are many of them) but i finally checked their muzik out and by far they got some of the dopest muzik ive heard in years. but it was my extra step of wantin to hear them (finally)
and also another problem is I think theres so many rappers or people that want to be rappers, but are wack and shouldnt be rappin
I think its just a matter of whether or not the music media (MTV, Radio, etc) influences the fans....or do the fans influence the media. Im sure its a little bit of both. But at the end of the day, the media has to play what the fans want to hear...or else their network goes away. Like out here for example, theres been plenty of radio stations throughout the years (the most recent, 98.9) that started up with the idea of playing mostly local artists, westcoast artists....and just more REAL shit. It was all gravy at first, and slowly....they switched just like all the rest. Why? Not enough people were tuning in.
And yeah, the majors dont go after talent...we know that shit. The go after marketability. Whos got the best gimmick. But whoa re they marketing to? The fans. If tomorrow, there were more fans who wanted to hear a rapper like tech n9ne.....tech n9ne would instantly be on MTV.
you got a point. But I think there's also a good percentage of the fans who just follow along and listen to whoever is hot, or are just too lazy to go out and find better music. There's a TON of people who only listen to mainstream hip hop and only know about mainstream rappers. Even if they only like that pop style, there's a lot of underground rappers who emulate the pop style so you would think they'd know about those rappers as well. Lets face it, a lot of people are just sheep and only listen to what's popular, not cause of the style but just because its popular. this includes the people complaining about the state of hip hop. If they really cared they would be searching out the underground artists who are making good music and not spending all their time bitching about the popular artists.
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sony told eiht.. you gotta be more like "puffy" to get your next deal he turned it down and hasent sold over 20k a release but no one shows him love for sticking to his guns... btw is there anyway to find out what "last man Standing" did in sales also sony re released "We come Strapped" and "death Threats" for the 3rd time so they must be selling to a degree
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Who is to blame for the bullshit music that gets put out today? A lot of people keep pointing fingers at the artists (including myself at times). But are the artists really to blame? Or are they simply giving the people what they want? I think the Hip Hop fanbase has changed so drastically, that we now have to hear what the majority of so called Hip Hop fans want...and thats watered down, booty-shake, bullshit Hip Hop that should be considered more Pop then anything. Whatta yall think?
the fans: they complain, but secretly support the wrong type of music
^^^ yep ^^^
so fuck the fucks who bought ego trippin'.
www.dubcnn.com
(http://www.dubcnm.com/artistimages/wale01.jpg)
Let's get to Washington DC rap sensation Wale, who's buzz has been growing by the day. Bun B mentioned him as one of his favorites in his dubcnn interview, he's co-signed by Kanye West and Jay-Z, and now he's officially under the wing of musical mastermind Mark Ronson. It looks like this could be Wale's year and in preparation for his album, the shoe fanatic is releasing a "Mixtape About Nothing". We have a track off the tape available for ya'll to check out, peep "The Perfect Plan" below:
Wale - The Perfect Plan (http://www.dubcnm.com/audio/2008/may/wale-the_perfect_plan-(dubcnn).mp3)
Don't sleep on Wale.
Dope lyrics about the state of Hip Hop..... listen up! ;) (a message to the fans ;))
What is that supposed to mean, fuck the fucks that bought Ego Trippin?
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ITS THE BUSINESSMEN BEHIND THE ARTISTS... ANYTHING THAT IS WELL PRODUCED CAN GET FULL POSITIVE ATTENTION AS LONG AS ITS PUT IN FRON OF THE EYES OF THE FANS... COME ON, THE MEDIA DOES NOT CONTROL WHAT WE THINK THEY CONTROL WHAT WE SHOULD THINK SOMETHING ABOUT SO THATS WASSUP THEY MAKE US AUDITION SHITTY MUSIC.
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Who is to blame for the bullshit music that gets put out today? A lot of people keep pointing fingers at the artists (including myself at times). But are the artists really to blame? Or are they simply giving the people what they want? I think the Hip Hop fanbase has changed so drastically, that we now have to hear what the majority of so called Hip Hop fans want...and thats watered down, betake, bullshit Hip Hop that should be considered more Pop then anything. Whatta yall think?
the fans: they complain, but secretly support the wrong type of music
^^^ yep ^^^
so fuck the fucks who bought ego trippin'.
www.dubcnn.com
(http://www.dubcnm.com/artistimages/wale01.jpg)
Let's get to Washington DC rap sensation Wale, who's buzz has been growing by the day. Bun B mentioned him as one of his favorites in his dubcnn interview, he's cosigned by Kanya West and Jay-Z, and now he's officially under the wing of musical mastermind Mark Ronson. It looks like this could be Wale's year and in preparation for his album, the shoe fanatic is releasing a "Mixtape About Nothing". We have a track off the tape available for y'all to check out, peep "The Perfect Plan" below:
Wale - The Perfect Plan (http://www.dubcnm.com/audio/2008/may/wale-the_perfect_plan-(dubcnn).mp3)
Don't sleep on Wale.
Dope lyrics about the state of Hip Hop..... listen up! ;) (a message to the fans ;))
What is that supposed to mean, fuck the fucks that bought Ego Trippin?
It means "you" support the watered down shit. ;)
If you look at it,what mainstream that came last year deserves support? (a direction that ain't corny)
Scarface did a great job,Nas and Cube went halfway... so what I'm saying support "good" music,not corny ass bullshit.
That is a subjective statement though. For example, well actually this is fact, but anyways, I bought Ego Tripping only listening to a couple tracks from the album. I always do that when I am buying albums, I try not to get into listening to alot of leaked material. In the same breath I bought Snoop's, I bought Paris, Cube, Nas, Scarface and others.
It's a very broad statement to say what is watered down shit and what is not. Some peeps are saying this Busta Rhymes album is a return of the Leaders Of A New School Buss. Others say it is watered down. Who is right and wrong? I understand ya statement Chad and by no means am I offended by it, but when it comes down to spending my hard earned money, I buy what I want to buy. I try to get a gauge a lil for the sound before hand but if I like it I will support it. It just so happens for me alot of the watered down bullshit I do not buy lol, but i have bought some albums probably alot of people don't like. It's all good, I enjoy it so that is really all that matters.
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Who is to blame for the bullshit music that gets put out today? A lot of people keep pointing fingers at the artists (including myself at times). But are the artists really to blame? Or are they simply giving the people what they want? I think the Hip Hop fanbase has changed so drastically, that we now have to hear what the majority of so called Hip Hop fans want...and thats watered down, betake, bullshit Hip Hop that should be considered more Pop then anything. Whatta yall think?
the fans: they complain, but secretly support the wrong type of music
^^^ yep ^^^
so fuck the fucks who bought ego trippin'.
www.dubcnn.com
(http://www.dubcnm.com/artistimages/wale01.jpg)
Let's get to Washington DC rap sensation Wale, who's buzz has been growing by the day. Bun B mentioned him as one of his favorites in his dubcnn interview, he's cosigned by Kanya West and Jay-Z, and now he's officially under the wing of musical mastermind Mark Ronson. It looks like this could be Wale's year and in preparation for his album, the shoe fanatic is releasing a "Mixtape About Nothing". We have a track off the tape available for y'all to check out, peep "The Perfect Plan" below:
Wale - The Perfect Plan (http://www.dubcnm.com/audio/2008/may/wale-the_perfect_plan-(dubcnn).mp3)
Don't sleep on Wale.
Dope lyrics about the state of Hip Hop..... listen up! ;) (a message to the fans ;))
What is that supposed to mean, fuck the fucks that bought Ego Trippin?
It means "you" support the watered down shit. ;)
If you look at it,what mainstream that came last year deserves support? (a direction that ain't corny)
Scarface did a great job,Nas and Cube went halfway... so what I'm saying support "good" music,not corny ass bullshit.
That's stupid logic. I'm not saying the album was "good", but at least he was trying to be creative with it. If he was doing watered down shit he would've released another gangsta rap album.
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yeah but rapsodie you think if snoop, would have made another album soundin like tha last meal, it wouldnt have sold?
(that album had muzik for everyone to listen to)
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I think like alot of other things music is very trend based now. Labels will go with a "safe bet" dance song or album over something that might get critical acclaim but not as much commerical. Both the fans and the labels are at fault if you even want to say that. But like everything else, it goes in cycles.
Yes, it does go in cycles. But why does it seem that most of this decade has been one long cycle?
They say trends come back every 20 years. 90's Hip Hop was very 70's influenced because of the samples used, so maybe the '10s will be 90's influenced??
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Who is to blame for the bullshit music that gets put out today? A lot of people keep pointing fingers at the artists (including myself at times). But are the artists really to blame? Or are they simply giving the people what they want? I think the Hip Hop fanbase has changed so drastically, that we now have to hear what the majority of so called Hip Hop fans want...and thats watered down, betake, bullshit Hip Hop that should be considered more Pop then anything. Whatta yall think?
the fans: they complain, but secretly support the wrong type of music
^^^ yep ^^^
so fuck the fucks who bought ego trippin'.
www.dubcnn.com
(http://www.dubcnm.com/artistimages/wale01.jpg)
Let's get to Washington DC rap sensation Wale, who's buzz has been growing by the day. Bun B mentioned him as one of his favorites in his dubcnn interview, he's cosigned by Kanya West and Jay-Z, and now he's officially under the wing of musical mastermind Mark Ronson. It looks like this could be Wale's year and in preparation for his album, the shoe fanatic is releasing a "Mixtape About Nothing". We have a track off the tape available for y'all to check out, peep "The Perfect Plan" below:
Wale - The Perfect Plan (http://www.dubcnm.com/audio/2008/may/wale-the_perfect_plan-(dubcnn).mp3)
Don't sleep on Wale.
Dope lyrics about the state of Hip Hop..... listen up! ;) (a message to the fans ;))
What is that supposed to mean, fuck the fucks that bought Ego Trippin?
It means "you" support the watered down shit. ;)
If you look at it,what mainstream that came last year deserves support? (a direction that ain't corny)
Scarface did a great job,Nas and Cube went halfway... so what I'm saying support "good" music,not corny ass bullshit.
That is a subjective statement though. For example, well actually this is fact, but anyways, I bought Ego Tripping only listening to a couple tracks from the album. I always do that when I am buying albums, I try not to get into listening to alot of leaked material. In the same breath I bought Snoop's, I bought Paris, Cube, Nas, Scarface and others.
It's a very broad statement to say what is watered down shit and what is not. Some peeps are saying this Busta Rhymes album is a return of the Leaders Of A New School Buss. Others say it is watered down. Who is right and wrong? I understand ya statement Chad and by no means am I offended by it, but when it comes down to spending my hard earned money, I buy what I want to buy. I try to get a gauge a lil for the sound before hand but if I like it I will support it. It just so happens for me alot of the watered down bullshit I do not buy lol, but i have bought some albums probably alot of people don't like. It's all good, I enjoy it so that is really all that matters.
to tell you the truth,I will end up byeing the album myself...
Why? I'm a collector,so I got to have it in my collection. Is it a priority? No!
The thing is,a lot of cats is complaining that Hip Hop is dead (mostly the older cats).
I have much respect for the younger cats opinions (like Luna)...
which tells me that Hip Hop is very much alive,and that old fucks like me is stuck in the past.
Maybe.. but I'm honest enough to admit it. ;)
Nah I feel you. Knowing now what I know about Ego Trippin, and as much as I hate to say this, I am listening to the leak first. Couple cool tracks from ET but replay was very low and it was a little out there for me. I think to find the real gems of hip hop, and they are out there, people need to find them. If you are into raw, gritty, hip hop, east to west and inbetween, you won't find it now on TV or video. You can count on one hand now the dope shit you hear on the radio or you see on video. Was not like that 10 years ago. So in that sense it is like the group as hard as it is to believe that Fat Joe is in, Diggin In The Crates. I dig in record stores, online, wherever constantly looking for that dope shit. And when I find a dope single or album, it still gives me that same feeling as the "golden era" so in that sense for me hip hop is alive and well.
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to each is own but for example
snoops et is and was wack
but at the same time
EPMD-WE MEAN BUSINESS is a great bangin album
so hip-hop can still be made, guess it depends on if you want to make it
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to each is own but for example
snoops et is and was wack
but at the same time
EPMD-WE MEAN BUSINESS is a great bangin album
so hip-hop can still be made, guess it depends on if you want to make it
It really is up to the listener. I heard people say We Mean Business is wack. That is the one thing that kills me about this forum. People want to impose their opinion on a album on others. I don't mind being a loner on a album 50 other people don't like, it does not bother me. If I like it, that is all that matters, and I can still have a cool convo with that same person that hates it.
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Who is to blame for the bullshit music that gets put out today? A lot of people keep pointing fingers at the artists (including myself at times). But are the artists really to blame? Or are they simply giving the people what they want? I think the Hip Hop fanbase has changed so drastically, that we now have to hear what the majority of so called Hip Hop fans want...and thats watered down, betake, bullshit Hip Hop that should be considered more Pop then anything. Whatta yall think?
the fans: they complain, but secretly support the wrong type of music
^^^ yep ^^^
so fuck the fucks who bought ego trippin'.
www.dubcnn.com
(http://www.dubcnm.com/artistimages/wale01.jpg)
Let's get to Washington DC rap sensation Wale, who's buzz has been growing by the day. Bun B mentioned him as one of his favorites in his dubcnn interview, he's cosigned by Kanya West and Jay-Z, and now he's officially under the wing of musical mastermind Mark Ronson. It looks like this could be Wale's year and in preparation for his album, the shoe fanatic is releasing a "Mixtape About Nothing". We have a track off the tape available for y'all to check out, peep "The Perfect Plan" below:
Wale - The Perfect Plan (http://www.dubcnm.com/audio/2008/may/wale-the_perfect_plan-(dubcnn).mp3)
Don't sleep on Wale.
Dope lyrics about the state of Hip Hop..... listen up! ;) (a message to the fans ;))
What is that supposed to mean, fuck the fucks that bought Ego Trippin?
It means "you" support the watered down shit. ;)
If you look at it,what mainstream that came last year deserves support? (a direction that ain't corny)
Scarface did a great job,Nas and Cube went halfway... so what I'm saying support "good" music,not corny ass bullshit.
That is a subjective statement though. For example, well actually this is fact, but anyways, I bought Ego Tripping only listening to a couple tracks from the album. I always do that when I am buying albums, I try not to get into listening to alot of leaked material. In the same breath I bought Snoop's, I bought Paris, Cube, Nas, Scarface and others.
It's a very broad statement to say what is watered down shit and what is not. Some peeps are saying this Busta Rhymes album is a return of the Leaders Of A New School Buss. Others say it is watered down. Who is right and wrong? I understand ya statement Chad and by no means am I offended by it, but when it comes down to spending my hard earned money, I buy what I want to buy. I try to get a gauge a lil for the sound before hand but if I like it I will support it. It just so happens for me alot of the watered down bullshit I do not buy lol, but i have bought some albums probably alot of people don't like. It's all good, I enjoy it so that is really all that matters.
to tell you the truth,I will end up buying the album myself...
Why? I'm a collector,so I got to have it in my collection. Is it a priority? No!
The thing is,a lot of cats is complaining that Hip Hop is dead (mostly the older cats).
I have much respect for the younger cats opinions (like Luna)...
which tells me that Hip Hop is very much alive,and that old fucks like me is stuck in the past.
Maybe.. but I'm honest enough to admit it. ;)
Nah I feel you. Knowing now what I know about Ego Trippin, and as much as I hate to say this, I am listening to the leak first. Couple cool tracks from ET but replay was very low and it was a little out there for me. I think to find the real gems of hip hop, and they are out there, people need to find them. If you are into raw, gritty, hip hop, east to west and in between, you won't find it now on TV or video. You can count on one hand now the dope shit you hear on the radio or you see on video. Was not like that 10 years ago. So in that sense it is like the group as hard as it is to believe that Fat Joe is in, Diggin In The Crates. I dig in record stores, on line, wherever constantly looking for that dope shit. And when I find a dope single or album, it still gives me that same feeling as the "golden era" so in that sense for me hip hop is alive and well.
true,you know I'm with you ;)
I ain't complaining. (+ got much respect for the younger cats opinions ;))
The thing is cats has problems to move on from their favorite artist. :-[
I mean,instead of bitching about this and that artist fell off,why donīt they check out some of the new and up and upcoming cats?
Yeah this forum has tunnel vision when it comes to new music. Young De comes to mind, Maylay, and quite a few others.
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Who is to blame for the bullshit music that gets put out today? A lot of people keep pointing fingers at the artists (including myself at times). But are the artists really to blame? Or are they simply giving the people what they want? I think the Hip Hop fanbase has changed so drastically, that we now have to hear what the majority of so called Hip Hop fans want...and thats watered down, betake, bullshit Hip Hop that should be considered more Pop then anything. Whatta yall think?
the fans: they complain, but secretly support the wrong type of music
^^^ yep ^^^
so fuck the fucks who bought ego trippin'.
www.dubcnn.com
(http://www.dubcnm.com/artistimages/wale01.jpg)
Let's get to Washington DC rap sensation Wale, who's buzz has been growing by the day. Bun B mentioned him as one of his favorites in his dubcnn interview, he's cosigned by Kanya West and Jay-Z, and now he's officially under the wing of musical mastermind Mark Ronson. It looks like this could be Wale's year and in preparation for his album, the shoe fanatic is releasing a "Mixtape About Nothing". We have a track off the tape available for y'all to check out, peep "The Perfect Plan" below:
Wale - The Perfect Plan (http://www.dubcnm.com/audio/2008/may/wale-the_perfect_plan-(dubcnn).mp3)
Don't sleep on Wale.
Dope lyrics about the state of Hip Hop..... listen up! ;) (a message to the fans ;))
What is that supposed to mean, fuck the fucks that bought Ego Trippin?
It means "you" support the watered down shit. ;)
If you look at it,what mainstream that came last year deserves support? (a direction that ain't corny)
Scarface did a great job,Nas and Cube went halfway... so what I'm saying support "good" music,not corny ass bullshit.
That is a subjective statement though. For example, well actually this is fact, but anyways, I bought Ego Tripping only listening to a couple tracks from the album. I always do that when I am buying albums, I try not to get into listening to alot of leaked material. In the same breath I bought Snoop's, I bought Paris, Cube, Nas, Scarface and others.
It's a very broad statement to say what is watered down shit and what is not. Some peeps are saying this Busta Rhymes album is a return of the Leaders Of A New School Buss. Others say it is watered down. Who is right and wrong? I understand ya statement Chad and by no means am I offended by it, but when it comes down to spending my hard earned money, I buy what I want to buy. I try to get a gauge a lil for the sound before hand but if I like it I will support it. It just so happens for me alot of the watered down bullshit I do not buy lol, but i have bought some albums probably alot of people don't like. It's all good, I enjoy it so that is really all that matters.
to tell you the truth,I will end up buying the album myself...
Why? I'm a collector,so I got to have it in my collection. Is it a priority? No!
The thing is,a lot of cats is complaining that Hip Hop is dead (mostly the older cats).
I have much respect for the younger cats opinions (like Luna)...
which tells me that Hip Hop is very much alive,and that old fucks like me is stuck in the past.
Maybe.. but I'm honest enough to admit it. ;)
Nah I feel you. Knowing now what I know about Ego Trippin, and as much as I hate to say this, I am listening to the leak first. Couple cool tracks from ET but replay was very low and it was a little out there for me. I think to find the real gems of hip hop, and they are out there, people need to find them. If you are into raw, gritty, hip hop, east to west and in between, you won't find it now on TV or video. You can count on one hand now the dope shit you hear on the radio or you see on video. Was not like that 10 years ago. So in that sense it is like the group as hard as it is to believe that Fat Joe is in, Diggin In The Crates. I dig in record stores, on line, wherever constantly looking for that dope shit. And when I find a dope single or album, it still gives me that same feeling as the "golden era" so in that sense for me hip hop is alive and well.
true,you know I'm with you ;)
I ain't complaining. (+ got much respect for the younger cats opinions ;))
The thing is cats has problems to move on from their favorite artist. :-[
I mean,instead of bitching about this and that artist fell off,why donīt they check out some of the new and up and upcoming cats?
Yeah this forum has tunnel vision when it comes to new music. Young De comes to mind, Maylay, and quite a few others.
As long as cats is stuck in the usual suspects,shit can't move on.
I mean they're missing out. :-[ Young De,Maylay and others is killing shit.
sad but true
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Who is to blame for the bullshit music that gets put out today? A lot of people keep pointing fingers at the artists (including myself at times). But are the artists really to blame? Or are they simply giving the people what they want? I think the Hip Hop fanbase has changed so drastically, that we now have to hear what the majority of so called Hip Hop fans want...and thats watered down, betake, bullshit Hip Hop that should be considered more Pop then anything. Whatta yall think?
the fans: they complain, but secretly support the wrong type of music
^^^ yep ^^^
so fuck the fucks who bought ego trippin'.
www.dubcnn.com
(http://www.dubcnm.com/artistimages/wale01.jpg)
Let's get to Washington DC rap sensation Wale, who's buzz has been growing by the day. Bun B mentioned him as one of his favorites in his dubcnn interview, he's cosigned by Kanya West and Jay-Z, and now he's officially under the wing of musical mastermind Mark Ronson. It looks like this could be Wale's year and in preparation for his album, the shoe fanatic is releasing a "Mixtape About Nothing". We have a track off the tape available for y'all to check out, peep "The Perfect Plan" below:
Wale - The Perfect Plan (http://www.dubcnm.com/audio/2008/may/wale-the_perfect_plan-(dubcnn).mp3)
Don't sleep on Wale.
Dope lyrics about the state of Hip Hop..... listen up! ;) (a message to the fans ;))
What is that supposed to mean, fuck the fucks that bought Ego Trippin?
It means "you" support the watered down shit. ;)
If you look at it,what mainstream that came last year deserves support? (a direction that ain't corny)
Scarface did a great job,Nas and Cube went halfway... so what I'm saying support "good" music,not corny ass bullshit.
That's stupid logic. I'm not saying the album was "good", but at least he was trying to be creative with it. If he was doing watered down shit he would've released another gangsta rap album.
lol no it actually made sense: the album was definitely watered down.
yes in a way it was different for snoop, but he was jumping on what's hot: there's nothing creative about that.
anyway in case it wasn't clear for someone:
Who is to blame for the bullshit music that gets put out today? A lot of people keep pointing fingers at the artists (including myself at times). But are the artists really to blame? Or are they simply giving the people what they want? I think the Hip Hop fanbase has changed so drastically, that we now have to hear what the majority of so called Hip Hop fans want...and thats watered down, booty-shake, bullshit Hip Hop that should be considered more Pop then anything. Whatta yall think?
the fans: they complain, but secretly support the wrong type of music
i think the reason Chad Vader agreed, is not because he criticises those who bought a mainstream album.
he agreed to my statement, in which i criticise music listeners that complain, yet support the type of music they claim to hate.
you won't see me state that hiphop is dead.
to each is own but for example
snoops et is and was wack
but at the same time
EPMD-WE MEAN BUSINESS is a great bangin album
so hip-hop can still be made, guess it depends on if you want to make it
It really is up to the listener. I heard people say We Mean Business is wack. That is the one thing that kills me about this forum. People want to impose their opinion on a album on others. I don't mind being a loner on a album 50 other people don't like, it does not bother me. If I like it, that is all that matters, and I can still have a cool convo with that same person that hates it.
so true! i've had my fair share of arguments because of that :laugh: ;)
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Who is to blame for the bullshit music that gets put out today? A lot of people keep pointing fingers at the artists (including myself at times). But are the artists really to blame? Or are they simply giving the people what they want? I think the Hip Hop fanbase has changed so drastically, that we now have to hear what the majority of so called Hip Hop fans want...and thats watered down, betake, bullshit Hip Hop that should be considered more Pop then anything. Whatta yall think?
the fans: they complain, but secretly support the wrong type of music
^^^ yep ^^^
so fuck the fucks who bought ego trippin'.
www.dubcnn.com
(http://www.dubcnm.com/artistimages/wale01.jpg)
Let's get to Washington DC rap sensation Wale, who's buzz has been growing by the day. Bun B mentioned him as one of his favorites in his dubcnn interview, he's cosigned by Kanya West and Jay-Z, and now he's officially under the wing of musical mastermind Mark Ronson. It looks like this could be Wale's year and in preparation for his album, the shoe fanatic is releasing a "Mixtape About Nothing". We have a track off the tape available for y'all to check out, peep "The Perfect Plan" below:
Wale - The Perfect Plan (http://www.dubcnm.com/audio/2008/may/wale-the_perfect_plan-(dubcnn).mp3)
Don't sleep on Wale.
Dope lyrics about the state of Hip Hop..... listen up! ;) (a message to the fans ;))
What is that supposed to mean, fuck the fucks that bought Ego Trippin?
It means "you" support the watered down shit. ;)
If you look at it,what mainstream that came last year deserves support? (a direction that ain't corny)
Scarface did a great job,Nas and Cube went halfway... so what I'm saying support "good" music,not corny ass bullshit.
That is a subjective statement though. For example, well actually this is fact, but anyways, I bought Ego Tripping only listening to a couple tracks from the album. I always do that when I am buying albums, I try not to get into listening to alot of leaked material. In the same breath I bought Snoop's, I bought Paris, Cube, Nas, Scarface and others.
It's a very broad statement to say what is watered down shit and what is not. Some peeps are saying this Busta Rhymes album is a return of the Leaders Of A New School Buss. Others say it is watered down. Who is right and wrong? I understand ya statement Chad and by no means am I offended by it, but when it comes down to spending my hard earned money, I buy what I want to buy. I try to get a gauge a lil for the sound before hand but if I like it I will support it. It just so happens for me alot of the watered down bullshit I do not buy lol, but i have bought some albums probably alot of people don't like. It's all good, I enjoy it so that is really all that matters.
to tell you the truth,I will end up buying the album myself...
Why? I'm a collector,so I got to have it in my collection. Is it a priority? No!
The thing is,a lot of cats is complaining that Hip Hop is dead (mostly the older cats).
I have much respect for the younger cats opinions (like Luna)...
which tells me that Hip Hop is very much alive,and that old fucks like me is stuck in the past.
Maybe.. but I'm honest enough to admit it. ;)
Nah I feel you. Knowing now what I know about Ego Trippin, and as much as I hate to say this, I am listening to the leak first. Couple cool tracks from ET but replay was very low and it was a little out there for me. I think to find the real gems of hip hop, and they are out there, people need to find them. If you are into raw, gritty, hip hop, east to west and in between, you won't find it now on TV or video. You can count on one hand now the dope shit you hear on the radio or you see on video. Was not like that 10 years ago. So in that sense it is like the group as hard as it is to believe that Fat Joe is in, Diggin In The Crates. I dig in record stores, on line, wherever constantly looking for that dope shit. And when I find a dope single or album, it still gives me that same feeling as the "golden era" so in that sense for me hip hop is alive and well.
true,you know I'm with you ;)
I ain't complaining. (+ got much respect for the younger cats opinions ;))
The thing is cats has problems to move on from their favorite artist. :-[
I mean,instead of bitching about this and that artist fell off,why donīt they check out some of the new and up and upcoming cats?
Yeah this forum has tunnel vision when it comes to new music. Young De comes to mind, Maylay, and quite a few others.
As long as cats is stuck in the usual suspects,shit can't move on.
I mean they're missing out. :-[ Young De,Maylay and others is killing shit.
sad but true
what to do,what to do? :laugh: :laugh:
Cats like us two know what's bubling in the underground.
Off topic,how about the Muggs album? The Bun-B and M1 track is straight fire!!!!!!!!!!!
yeah I will be picking that album up when it drops. U know me when it comes to Muggs lol.
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lol no it actually made sense: the album was definitely watered down.
yes in a way it was different for snoop, but he was jumping on what's hot: there's nothing creative about that.
How the hell was Ego Trippin jumping on whats hot? Nothing about that is what other rappers in hip hop were doing. The only comparison is that in one of the songs he used autotunes, and even then it sounded nothing like the type of songs T-Pain makes. Half the album was like a throwback to the 80s, nothing like whats going on in current hip hop. I didn't hear any pop/club songs on that album. Just Snoop channeling his inner soul. Hell, he even had a country song, now what rapper is doing that?
Just cause you weren't feeling what he was doing on that album doesn't make it "watered down."
Again, I'm not calling it one of his best albums, but it was the most original compared to everything else he's put out recently. I don't see how you can deny that.
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I think its just a matter of whether or not the music media (MTV, Radio, etc) influences the fans....or do the fans influence the media. Im sure its a little bit of both. But at the end of the day, the media has to play what the fans want to hear...or else their network goes away. Like out here for example, theres been plenty of radio stations throughout the years (the most recent, 98.9) that started up with the idea of playing mostly local artists, westcoast artists....and just more REAL shit. It was all gravy at first, and slowly....they switched just like all the rest. Why? Not enough people were tuning in.
And yeah, the majors dont go after talent...we know that shit. The go after marketability. Whos got the best gimmick. But whoa re they marketing to? The fans. If tomorrow, there were more fans who wanted to hear a rapper like tech n9ne.....tech n9ne would instantly be on MTV.
Lets face it, a lot of people are just sheep and only listen to what's popular, not cause of the style but just because its popular. this includes the people complaining about the state of hip hop.
Well thats where the dollars are at, the sheep :( And sadly in other stuff besides music, the sheep fanbases are so large its difficult to overcome that.
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lol no it actually made sense: the album was definitely watered down.
yes in a way it was different for snoop, but he was jumping on what's hot: there's nothing creative about that.
How the hell was Ego Trippin jumping on whats hot? Nothing about that is what other rappers in hip hop were doing. The only comparison is that in one of the songs he used autotunes, and even then it sounded nothing like the type of songs T-Pain makes. Half the album was like a throwback to the 80s, nothing like whats going on in current hip hop. I didn't hear any pop/club songs on that album. Just Snoop channeling his inner soul. Hell, he even had a country song, now what rapper is doing that?
Just cause you weren't feeling what he was doing on that album doesn't make it "watered down."
Again, I'm not calling it one of his best albums, but it was the most original compared to everything else he's put out recently. I don't see how you can deny that.
lol, you contradict yourself in the beginning of your post :laugh:
autotune is being used by a lot of rappers; Snoop didn't use it throughout the whole album, granted, but don't tell me he wasn't influenced by the popularity of autotune.
not to mention that the album has it's share of cliche southern influenced music.
Snoop may have done some things that were different for him on the rest of the album, but that doesn't mean i should automatically call it original?
it's subjective after all.
anyway, true, my opinion has nothing to do with classifying Ego Trippin as watered down music: you assumed that i made a connection :laugh:
so you didn't spot any pop/club songs on the album? really? :o :loco:
did we listen to the same album? :D
Snoop is an entertainer & he keeps trying to stay relevant, it's as simple as that.
either you get it or you don't ;D no futher explanation is needed
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I don't think even Snoop knows at times what direction he wants to go with his music, and it shows on almost EVERY album.
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It's obviously a bit of both, but the the fact that Crooked I isn't famous proves that sometimes, dope artists will get slept on by fans in the mainstream.
And I'm sure some people will say that because he hasn't put out an album that he hasn't catered to those fans or whatever, but people from outside the west are more likely to check out a cat like Crooked who is droppin' heat for free, and despite that, fans still sleep on talented artists like him. Not only him, but he was the first example that came to my mind. People either want to rap for the mainstream or for respect (few have managed both, I'd say people like Jay and Em have found a balance), and if you want to be a millionaire, trying to make "real hip hop" just isn't the way forward. The fans nowadays are a totally different market, you'd be surprised how many girls go out and cop Lil Wayne or 50 Cent albums for their slumber parties. I can't see them downloading Crooked I and banging him while getting hyper off of Diet Coke somehow, even though Crooked is a monster.
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It's obviously a bit of both, but the the fact that Crooked I isn't famous proves that sometimes, dope artists will get slept on by fans in the mainstream.
And I'm sure some people will say that because he hasn't put out an album that he hasn't catered to those fans or whatever, but people from outside the west are more likely to check out a cat like Crooked who is droppin' heat for free, and despite that, fans still sleep on talented artists like him. Not only him, but he was the first example that came to my mind. People either want to rap for the mainstream or for respect (few have managed both, I'd say people like Jay and Em have found a balance), and if you want to be a millionaire, trying to make "real hip hop" just isn't the way forward. The fans nowadays are a totally different market, you'd be surprised how many girls go out and cop Lil Wayne or 50 Cent albums for their slumber parties. I can't see them downloading Crooked I and banging him while getting hyper off of Diet Coke somehow, even though Crooked is a monster.
As funny as that sounds it's true. I remember pac saying rap to the bitches (no offense ladies) and people RAN with that. It is cool for a couple tracks, but for a whole album, I'll pass. That is what R&B is for. The problem now is labels and artists do not do a balance. Oh autotune is the shit now?, Let me do it on 16 of my 20 tracks. One thing that makes trends, "trendy" is that everyone is not doing it. You can respect it and give it props from afar but emulating it till your sick of it is going overboard.
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I remember pac saying rap to the bitches (no offense ladies) and people RAN with that.
Exactly. Even though Pac obviously gets a lot of respect from Hip Hop fans, Pac was one who rapped for the mainstream. He targeted the market which was going to buy his album, that's why his commercial success outweighed his critical success. Dude admittedly dumbed down his shit to cater for the reason rappers are how they are to day - the fans. If Crooked I was to come out with a commercial track spitting like he did on his weekly freestyles, you could probably count the amount of punchlines/wordplay etc that would go over the head of a lot of the mainstream audience, in the same way that Nas will never be as famous as 50 Cent. The fans don't want lyricism. That's why Pac just said what he wanted straight out.
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lol no it actually made sense: the album was definitely watered down.
yes in a way it was different for snoop, but he was jumping on what's hot: there's nothing creative about that.
How the hell was Ego Trippin jumping on whats hot? Nothing about that is what other rappers in hip hop were doing. The only comparison is that in one of the songs he used autotunes, and even then it sounded nothing like the type of songs T-Pain makes. Half the album was like a throwback to the 80s, nothing like whats going on in current hip hop. I didn't hear any pop/club songs on that album. Just Snoop channeling his inner soul. Hell, he even had a country song, now what rapper is doing that?
Just cause you weren't feeling what he was doing on that album doesn't make it "watered down."
Again, I'm not calling it one of his best albums, but it was the most original compared to everything else he's put out recently. I don't see how you can deny that.
lol, you contradict yourself in the beginning of your post :laugh:
autotune is being used by a lot of rappers; Snoop didn't use it throughout the whole album, granted, but don't tell me he wasn't influenced by the popularity of autotune.
not to mention that the album has it's share of cliche southern influenced music.
Snoop may have done some things that were different for him on the rest of the album, but that doesn't mean i should automatically call it original?
it's subjective after all.
anyway, true, my opinion has nothing to do with classifying Ego Trippin as watered down music: you assumed that i made a connection :laugh:
so you didn't spot any pop/club songs on the album? really? :o :loco:
did we listen to the same album? :D
Snoop is an entertainer & he keeps trying to stay relevant, it's as simple as that.
either you get it or you don't ;D no futher explanation is needed
Did sexual eruption sound like a t-pain song? Naw it was an 80s throwback.
Where's the cliched southern influence?
you are the one who called Ego Trippin watered down and mainstream. Yet it obviously isn't so when the majority of the album sounds nothing like whats going on in hip hop and as a result it didn't sell as well as his other albums. This is your opinion since you obviously didn't like the album. I thought the album was mediocre as well but I can look at the situation subjectively and say it was also something new and creative for Snoop.
Bottom line is Snoop wasn't trying to stay relevant. Everyone expected and wanted him to make a gangsta rap album after the success of TBCT, and he wanted to do something different.
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I remember pac saying rap to the bitches (no offense ladies) and people RAN with that.
Exactly. Even though Pac obviously gets a lot of respect from Hip Hop fans, Pac was one who rapped for the mainstream. He targeted the market which was going to buy his album, that's why his commercial success outweighed his critical success. Dude admittedly dumbed down his shit to cater for the reason rappers are how they are to day - the fans. If Crooked I was to come out with a commercial track spitting like he did on his weekly freestyles, you could probably count the amount of punchlines/wordplay etc that would go over the head of a lot of the mainstream audience, in the same way that Nas will never be as famous as 50 Cent. The fans don't want lyricism. That's why Pac just said what he wanted straight out.
Yeah the fact Nas was not as big in his eyes as Jay Z bothered him. But lets face facts, Nas cannot make club bangers like Jay. Stick to your lane.
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Did sexual eruption sound like a t-pain song? Naw it was an 80s throwback.
Where's the cliched southern influence?
you are the one who called Ego Trippin watered down and mainstream. Yet it obviously isn't so when the majority of the album sounds nothing like whats going on in hip hop and as a result it didn't sell as well as his other albums. This is your opinion since you obviously didn't like the album. I thought the album was mediocre as well but I can look at the situation subjectively and say it was also something new and creative for Snoop.
Bottom line is Snoop wasn't trying to stay relevant. Everyone expected and wanted him to make a gangsta rap album after the success of TBCT, and he wanted to do something different.
I actually liked "Ego Trippin" for the some of the reasons you mentioned. It's Snoop trying something different. It's not Snoop following the musical trends as he did with a lot of the previous records.
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Honestly, it's a lot of factors that play into it, and it's definitely both. The "hip-hop heads" that a lot of us would be considered don't feel 90% of the songs and artists that get radio play, so we just don't really listen. There's a large majority of listeners that just want to hear a good beat and catchy hook to dance to. If we were more active in buying the "good" albums instead of downloading, that could create the lane for artists to emulate the ones at the top of the game. Even Kanye, who isn't really that lyrical, brought along artist similar in style and substance. The record companies might want to keep pushing bullshit out, but if there was enough fan influence, they would have to promote an artist because that's a lot of money to be made.
Another thing I would like to see more artists do is to separate albums into a little bit of different genres. If you want to try the commercial route and make those tracks, split it into 2 albums, with your other 1 being more for the dedicated listener. I have no problem with an artist trying to make money because it is an occupation, but they also should have the courage to try something innovative.
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the fans: they complain, but secretly support the wrong type of music
^^^ yep ^^^
so fuck the fucks who bought ego trippin'.
i think the reason Chad Vader agreed, is not because he criticises those who bought a mainstream album.
he agreed to my statement, in which i criticise music listeners that complain, yet support the type of music they claim to hate.
you won't see me state that hiphop is dead.
dead on... ;)
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I remember pac saying rap to the bitches (no offense ladies) and people RAN with that.
Exactly. Even though Pac obviously gets a lot of respect from Hip Hop fans, Pac was one who rapped for the mainstream. He targeted the market which was going to buy his album, that's why his commercial success outweighed his critical success. Dude admittedly dumbed down his shit to cater for the reason rappers are how they are to day - the fans. If Crooked I was to come out with a commercial track spitting like he did on his weekly freestyles, you could probably count the amount of punchlines/wordplay etc that would go over the head of a lot of the mainstream audience, in the same way that Nas will never be as famous as 50 Cent. The fans don't want lyricism. That's why Pac just said what he wanted straight out.
Yeah the fact Nas was not as big in his eyes as Jay Z bothered him. But lets face facts, Nas cannot make club bangers like Jay. Stick to your lane.
Nas's worst songs are the ones where he tries to go commercial. Like Oochie wally. It seems his last few albums he has realized this. He should be proud of the fact that he is one of the only rappers who can go platinum without going commercial like Jay. So maybe he doesn't sell as well as Jay, he's still incredibly popular and he will always have more respect from the hip hop community.
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i think the reason Chad Vader agreed, is not because he criticises those who bought a mainstream album.
he agreed to my statement, in which i criticise music listeners that complain, yet support the type of music they claim to hate.
you won't see me state that hip hop is dead.
It's on life support :-[
The fans is doing a fine job trying to kill it >:( >:( >:(
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str8 up dre-day
i wont and dont support mainstream wack shit and wont buy it period
but best believe ima support the dope rappers