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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: rafsta on December 14, 2004, 05:25:44 PM
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who believes in spirituality ? i am a firm believer in the soul, god and the devil, only because i can feel its real, i dont need god to get by in life, im not a person in need that turns to god, i just know he exists, maybe in a form we could never imagine, i had a near death experiebce at 2 yrs old, they say ppl with near death experiences have strange outlooks on life, and are changed somewhat...
im a born chrisitan, been baptised, all the stuff, reconciliation communion confirmation etc.. but im not a believer in the church, i believ the bible is a guide to finding inner spirituality, but isnt for every one, for some it is a way to find god, but i find god when im with nature, where there is nothing that resembles man made structure (australia has alot of places untouched by man), i believe we are destroying god and ourselves on this earth...
i believe god is in everything living, i believe god is us and everything aorund us, and its our choice whether we want to be at one with god, or lurk with the devil...
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no feed back ? :monkey_dance2:
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I believe in science.
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I believe in God.
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I believe in God.
Do you believe in me?
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I believe in God.
Do you believe in me?
Your pretentiousness never seems to amuse me.
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:)
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I believe in science.
do you believe in what science cant prove ?
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I believe in God, AND I believe in Science, the two are not exclusive.
I also believe in the church. I don't really have much bad to say about religious people and institutions at all.
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`^^^ i dont mean to diss, but science isnt something you believe in, its facts, there is nothing to believe, you just learn nd understand it..
and i think u meant they arent inclusive, bcoz they are very exclusive to eachother...
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^ No they're not. And that's not at all what I meant, come on man. Where is science any different than believing in God? People DO believe in Science, too, look above, people posted just that.
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^^^ maybe im bein a bit too technical with terms, i guess you can believe in science (like belief a cure will be found etc) what i was tryin to say is the soul etc cannot be explained by science, thats why we must have faith in it, its not something that can be proved like chemical reactions in science or wateva...
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No I don't believe in souls, church, religion or god.
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I believe in science.
do you believe in what science cant prove ?
it depends on what it is
and no, i don't believe in god
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I believe in science.
do you believe in what science cant prove ?
it depends on what it is
and no, i don't believe in god
how do you explain the sub-conscious ?
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I believe in science.
do you believe in what science cant prove ?
it depends on what it is
and no, i don't believe in god
how do you explain the sub-conscious ?
what the hell is there to explain? in your brain you memorize things consciously and sub-consciously. big deal.
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No I don't believe in souls, church, religion or god.
me 2, and about the other thing, science is sometimes just like a belief in god, only thing different is that theres some proof, nobody would just come out and say, we can fly if atoms could be split into 4s, and everyone would believe them , all of the sudden
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in the end science will either prove gods existance or the opposite....
god does exist, it cant be that the universe just exists, infinity is a number im sceptical on.
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^^so it must be god? by the way, who gives a shit how the universe was created? we live on planet earth and you just have to deal with it.
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in the end science will either prove gods existance or the opposite....
hopefully im still alive
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wont make a difference man, when you die you'll know...
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ever thought of the chance that there's absolutely nothing after death? ::)
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^^^ yes i have thought about it... when we die thats when we'll know for sure, either nothin happens or we live on with god...
i dont believe we live after death, our body our personality etc dies with our body, but our soul lives on as apart of God, or as apart of the devil, depends which way you swing.
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Like Trauma said, science and religion can go hand in hand. The Quran gives a lot of scientific explanations for many things... the earth being round, the big bang theory, etc.
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I don't necessarily believe in God as a spirit who sits in the clouds and makes decisions all day. God is more of a concept for me, it is something that exists in the world in all humans, a force of positive values in people. I don't believe God created the earth, land, sea, trees, humans and animals, or anything else tangible. Science is another thing, it's a logical explanation for previously unexplanable things. There's a scientific explanation for nearly anything, and for the things that haven't been explained are unexplanable due to irrelevance to science
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I don't necessarily believe in God as a spirit who sits in the clouds and makes decisions all day. God is more of a concept for me, it is something that exists in the world in all humans, a force of positive values in people. I don't believe God created the earth, land, sea, trees, humans and animals, or anything else tangible. Science is another thing, it's a logical explanation for previously unexplanable things. There's a scientific explanation for nearly anything, and for the things that haven't been explained are unexplanable due to irrelevance to science
i dotn think god is someone that sits in the clouds either, i think god is the enrgy of good, the knowledge of the universe and everything in it and beyond it.
god did create the trees etc bcoz God made everything, created science everything, the universe is all of Gods knowledge beauty and awe.
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No I don't believe in souls, church, religion or god.
Than you're eternal, damn, If you believe humans are sheer meter with nothing more to it than even after your death you still remain and evolve into new things, meter can never be lost(that's Physics) therefore you're infinite.
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stop the preaching
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stop the preaching
me?
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no, rafsta
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^^^ hmmm, if you havent realised the topic of discussion, its God the devil and the soul... I am not preaching, but discussing my topic.
so once again :psych:
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No, you're preaching and the sad part is you don't even know what you're doing :loco:
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:psych:
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As a Sikh, I do believe in God, but not in the devil. Science is also not looked down upon, infact it is considered complementary to Sikhism and is in no way opposed to it.
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Believing in Devil is a bit of a paradox....It's kind of wierd how christianity has this whole concept, Acording to the Tora the word "Satan"
doesn't nessecarely have to be an Entity the word itself means either "Obstacle" or "challange"....It does actually make perfect sence when read with this in mind...
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who believes in spirituality ? i am a firm believer in the soul, god and the devil, only because i can feel its real, i dont need god to get by in life, im not a person in need that turns to god, i just know he exists, maybe in a form we could never imagine, i had a near death experiebce at 2 yrs old, they say ppl with near death experiences have strange outlooks on life, and are changed somewhat...
im a born chrisitan, been baptised, all the stuff, reconciliation communion confirmation etc.. but im not a believer in the church, i believ the bible is a guide to finding inner spirituality, but isnt for every one, for some it is a way to find god, but i find god when im with nature, where there is nothing that resembles man made structure (australia has alot of places untouched by man), i believe we are destroying god and ourselves on this earth...
i believe god is in everything living, i believe god is us and everything aorund us, and its our choice whether we want to be at one with god, or lurk with the devil...
The Soul is hard to hold onto in this society. As Atlanta, Georgia Imam, Jamil Abdullah Al-Amin says:
"The mission of a believer in Islam is totally different from coexisting or being a part of the system. The prevailing morals are wrong. Their ethics are wrong. Western philosophy...has reduced man to food, clothing, shelter, and the sex drive, which means he doesn't have a spirit...Successful struggle requires a Divine program. Allah has provided that program."
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i don't believe in a god. i do think that there is a cirten higher power but it's more mental. humans need something to believe in but i don't fallow a religion or worship anything. i don't believe in a "soul" eather
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Believing in Devil is a bit of a paradox....It's kind of wierd how christianity has this whole concept, Acording to the Tora the word "Satan"
doesn't nessecarely have to be an Entity the word itself means either "Obstacle" or "challange"....It does actually make perfect sence when read with this in mind...
Nothing can exist without an opposite.No I don't believe in souls, church, religion or god.
Than you're eternal, damn, If you believe humans are sheer meter with nothing more to it than even after your death you still remain and evolve into new things, meter can never be lost(that's Physics) therefore you're infinite.
lol.. bullshit, if my corps and what "evolves" (lol) out of it makes me infinite, so be it. But then my telephone and the keyboard I currently use are infinite too, and there goes your naive belief right out of the window. holla!
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Believing in Devil is a bit of a paradox....It's kind of wierd how christianity has this whole concept, Acording to the Tora the word "Satan"
doesn't nessecarely have to be an Entity the word itself means either "Obstacle" or "challange"....It does actually make perfect sence when read with this in mind...
Nothing can exist without an opposite.No I don't believe in souls, church, religion or god.
Than you're eternal, damn, If you believe humans are sheer meter with nothing more to it than even after your death you still remain and evolve into new things, meter can never be lost(that's Physics) therefore you're infinite.
lol.. bullshit, if my corps and what "evolves" (lol) out of it makes me infinite, so be it. But then my telephone and the keyboard I currently use are infinite too, and there goes your naive belief right out of the window. holla!
yea and who said your telephone and keyboard ain't eternal....meter can't be lost....physics...that's not my belief it's yours Im just simplefying it.
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Hilarious. When everything is eternal, what makes human beings special then? lol... What kind of discussion is that? How would this speak for the existence of souls anyway? Did dinosaurs have souls too? If not, why?
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Hilarious. When everything is eternal, what makes human beings special then? lol... What kind of discussion is that? How would this speak for the existence of souls anyway? Did dinosaurs have souls too? If not, why?
i think everything living has a soul, its just the force of life in us, its not a personality or wateva, its god or energy in us, how the soul is portrayed is through our physical self, our brain or wateva...
whoiever said they believe in god but not the devil, if you believe in god you must acknowledge that the devil exists.... there is an opposite to every equation.
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guys let me explain something to you
you can't have good without the bad.That is a scientific fact.Which means that for every bad thing there is a good thing also about it.
as for us,if there is no God then why were we created?
okay,look at it,the big bang theory is one thing but why us?
there must have been a higher power for us,because we can think and feel what the animals can't.
and what about our souls?
the pitiful part about it 7even if there is a God and you die then you will go to hell
now think about that............
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there must have been a higher power for us,because we can think and feel what the animals can't.
So why do birds always know what direction the north is and human beings need a compass for that?
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because they have a thing in them that tells them where to go,we have free will............so we need a compass....
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In other words: your story doesn't make any sense if you say "because we can think and feel what the animals can't" cause some animals can think and feel what human beings can't.
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no not quite
some dogs get treated real bad get kicked,not fed,and stuff like that
usually they are real happy if someone pays attention to them,
they forgive so easily,so do cats,horses and all the other animals
we humans have free will to forgive.if we were hurt enough it might be a long time before we forgive and forget.......get it?animals have practically no free will,but we do.........
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what does that have to do with my reply? :loco:
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the pitiful part about it 7even if there is a God and you die then you will go to hell
now think about that............
i agree with everything you said but that statement, you do not have to have any belief in religion or god to go to 'heaven' (i consider heaven or hell as to where your mind is at when you die, coz thats when all your thoughts and your existance is frozen into eternity)... all you need to do to go to heaven is treat others how you wish to be treated, be good and you will go to heaven.... religion is only for some that need it to stay good, religion is a guide to some to make it to heaven.
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The idea no animal can think is at least wrong. I'm under the impression many if not most or all animals are conscious beings. Perhaps even non-animalian organisms might be conscious. If you see consciousness as a 'soul', whatever that might be, all living organisms might have a soul.
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The idea no animal can think is at least wrong. I'm under the impression many if not most or all animals are conscious beings. Perhaps even non-animalian organisms might be conscious. If you see consciousness as a 'soul', whatever that might be, all living organisms might have a soul.
yes they have a soul but we have a brain that is free of will.... animals use instinct...
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We use instinct too. Way back the only thing we used was instinct cause we had to survive. Nowadays pretty much the only piece of instinct we use is our sex-instinct.
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^^^ i realise that Mauzip, we still use alot of instinct, not just for sex, for meeting ppl, assesing situations etc... but were not limited to instinct like the rest of the animal kingdom.... intelligence is the significance of free will in the bible...
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Who says animals only use instinct? The fact an animal can learn how to fetch sticks, pull levers or how to use and fashion tools makes pretty clear they don't rely on instincts all the time.
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Who says animals only use instinct? The fact an animal can learn how to fetch sticks, pull levers or how to use and fashion tools makes pretty clear they don't rely on instincts all the time.
on their own they use instinct, basic survival skills... ive seen birds n thngs who immitate inteeligence by using sticks to get to ants, they are still using instinct to survive, its where instinct takes em...
lol @ animals fetching sticks, you used a classic example mayn... when they fetch sticks they arent really doin it for anyreason, they do it coz they find it enjoyable to run backwards and forth... and yes animals can enjoy themselves without having freewill, they do have emotions like us... when an animal pulls a lever they dont know what the lever does, all they know is that they get a reward if they pull it, its not intelligence but instinct, they are taught thru instinct if they do something they get something in return... then eventually you can make the animal pull the lever without giving it a reward, but its artificial instinct that humans gave the animal... i hope that made sense...
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So tell me..what makes that a learning animal just 'follows it's instinct' while a learning person is 'using his brains'? That's non-sense.
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hmm, i explained my slef in a bad way....
ok an animal does have learning abilities, but ti doesnt use thos abilities to do what they please with them, they are instructed what to do.... then again there are dogs that open doors n shit, but they need to get outside....
ok you got me lost, good point... :sign_banhim: ;D
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Hilarious. When everything is eternal, what makes human beings special then? lol... What kind of discussion is that? How would this speak for the existence of souls anyway? Did dinosaurs have souls too? If not, why?
nothing, who told you human beings are special, that's what you wanted to hear isn't it?that's what you were saying isn't it? Human beings are not special they are just meter that disentergrades and evolves into new meter but is never lost....what seems to be the problem?, Im just simplefying your Opinion....Are you argueing with yourself :)?
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Hilarious. When everything is eternal, what makes human beings special then? lol... What kind of discussion is that? How would this speak for the existence of souls anyway? Did dinosaurs have souls too? If not, why?
nothing, who told you human beings are special, that's what you wanted to hear isn't it?that's what you were saying isn't it? Human beings are not special they are just meter that disentergrades and evolves into new meter but is never lost....what seems to be the problem?, Im just simplefying your Opinion....Are you argueing with yourself :)?
of course it's what I wanted to hear, cause I know that's your opinion, you religious, enlighted brother.
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hold on,lets get back to the subject
animals are not like us.I mean the closest animal to a human is a dolphin.Not a monkey but a dolphin.they talk like us,they will imitate you and they have a brain which is close to ours............
however,unlike us they have no idea what is God..................
get it?we know about God because we can see with our eyes and feel with our hands...........
animals cannot do that
and 7 I got a story for you,that will get you to understand that you matter very deeply to God........
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okay here is the story and it is a true one.........
When I was walking down the street I heard the Lord say "even to the least of these"
I asked him what dooyu mean"the least of these"
He said walk further I will show you............
He said do you see that hooker across the street?I said yeah what about her..........
He said go across the street I want to show you something
So I went over there.............she was passing out bible tracks
I said how can you sell your body and still believe in God?
She said "even to the least of these"
I said well I don't get it but maybe I will soon,
So I came back a few days later,apperantly she got beat up by her pimp but now she was even more intuned with God
I said God she is the least person to do what is right
He said "even to the least of these"
I said but she got beat up Lord,and she is still on your side
He said"even the leadt of these"
So I kept coming back and then one day she was gone............
A church took her in,washed her up and put her on the right path
Now a explanation
This lady was the least of everyone.She was lowly like Jesus.He was not thought about highly at the end.But at the end she was brought around to Him.
So now if God can use a Whore to spread his message,what do you think He can do with you?
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He can't do shit, because he doesn't exist. He only can do shit if you believe in him, because success is psychological.
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I believe in God now.
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7 I am going to say something to you and I want you tolisten with your whole heart
I know you have lost people and I know that at some point you lost someone that was very close to you
I want you to know that God and those people see you,they know how sweet you really are
I can see passion and hear it in your voice when you talk about God
I can also see how angry you are...............
But baby God doesn't want you to hurt,or cry or do anything to change how beautiful he made you
Your personality shines through,you can try to act tough but I can see right through you
you got some issues with God...........can we talk about it?
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Mau He believes in You
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7 I am going to say something to you and I want you tolisten with your whole heart
I know you have lost people and I know that at some point you lost someone that was very close to you
I want you to know that God and those people see you,they know how sweet you really are
I can see passion and hear it in your voice when you talk about God
I can also see how angry you are...............
But baby God doesn't want you to hurt,or cry or do anything to change how beautiful he made you
Your personality shines through,you can try to act tough but I can see right through you
you got some issues with God...........can we talk about it?
LOL.. you are just taking some stereotypes concerning why people don't believe in god .. havent you considered that people just THINK, and therefore don't believe in some imaginary figure that has done more harm than anything else in this world?
I have actually never lost someone, except for my grandfathers but it was about time for them, so I didnt care.
And no, dead people do NOT see anything for that matter. Dead people are dead, period. Their brains rot and they don't exist in heaven or as ghosts or whatever. They are dead and they will never come back. Never.
And god damn yes I am angry, cause it makes me kinda angry when I read all these dumb naive posts here.
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Mau He believes in You
I know and I believe in Him.
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good I am gald to hear that,have you recited the sinners prayer?
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of course
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7 i can hear that angry young man in you,
but,God knows that you have a beautiful soul.I guess you don't see it.............
you don't see how much you are worth to Him
and you don't see that everything you say hurts Him,He can cry just like you cry
did you know that He is there everytime you cry?and that He knows when your so lonley all you want is a hug?
Babe it is okay to feel like this,but can you try to stretch and feel what it is I am saying to you?
You matter man
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have you been baptized mau?
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i believe in god as a force that makes things that we cant explain happen....but i dont believe in religon
science is a set of proven facts...there are a lot of things that science has no explaination for....that is god
religion in my opinion has got nothing to do with god....christ, prophet muhammad and all the hindu gods etc are just idolized for their ideologies.
they prolly wouldnt even be too happy about how theyre teachings are interpreted today...its too fanatical....to rigid...too many rules
peace
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I believe in God now.
are you beein serious ? what changed ure mind ?
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have you been baptized mau?
yeah
I believe in God now.
are you beein serious ? what changed ure mind ?
Yeah man, I heard God talking to me and when I said things back He replied... it was a wonderful experience and I hope to experience this more often.
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hmm, being on drugs and hearing shit doesnt count...
i wanna know for real if u now have faith...
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So why do birds always know what direction the north is and human beings need a compass for that?
We dont need a compass. We can follow the North Star at night to find our direction.
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So why do birds always know what direction the north is and human beings need a compass for that?
We dont need a compass. We can follow the North Star at night to find our direction.
don't try to be smart ::)
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So why do birds always know what direction the north is and human beings need a compass for that?
We dont need a compass. We can follow the North Star at night to find our direction.
don't try to be smart ::)
you didnt answer my question seriously Mauzip !!! Do you believe in God ? or you just clowning ?
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I'm not clowning you. I've seriously "seen the light" ;)
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dammet, why wink ? i dont know if u beein serious, if u do believe, is it coz of this topic ? thats huge brownie points in heaven :)
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"seen the light"
is that the light that lit up your bong ? or crack pipe ?
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I think Mauzip has been saved.............
and for yoiu 7 man I want you to think about something.
You do believe in God,but god showed me how
You believe in the power of truth,
You believe in Faith otherwise you would never come outside,you would believe that what was there before will not be there now
I know you believe in love,I can see Passion like Christ in you
I know your brave,and you have been lowly like jesus was here
and most of all I seen you be compassionate and humble...........
Now you have all the aspects of God....................
so what is the problem man?