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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Garth Brooks on January 22, 2006, 08:58:04 PM
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with 2 mins left he has 74 points in tonights game!!
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hez got 81 now
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81 :o
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WOWZERZ :o 81 :o
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Greatest Performance I've Ever Seen.
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damn
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:o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I doubt Lebron will ever score 81.
Jim Rome critized Phil Jackson for pulling him out after 3 quarters and 62 points saying kobe would never be able to get that oppurtunity again. LOL.
Kobe for MVP. 8)
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Cot damn, wtf?!!?!?!?!?!???
Watch Kobe haters use this as another reason to hate...."only a selfish ignorant ball hog would try to score 81 points"
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bastard should have been a clipper
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Oh yeah, now I really wonder what's gonna happen in the playoffs. And who gives a shit what Lebron can do or cant do? lol Lebron is Lebron and Kobe is Kobe.
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Cot damn, wtf?!!?!?!?!?!???
Watch Kobe haters use this as another reason to hate...."only a selfish ignorant ball hog would try to score 81 points"
I feel u I can't wait to see all these Kobe haters hating on a great player
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lol nobody is going to hate on this. Stop being so defensive guys lol
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2nd most in a game in NBA history baby. 8) 8)
Kobe's coming for your spot Chamberlain.
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lol nobody is going to hate on this. Stop being so defensive guys lol
just wait.
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2 most in a game in NBA history baby. 8) 8)
Kobe's coming for your spot Chamberlain.
As good as he is I don't anyone will ever beat that record.
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sick
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damn, was the rest of his team just standin there watching?
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This is what people will say.
- Kobe's the greatest scorer they have personally seen
- He still hasnt won a ring, without the help of another Superstar
- He is clutch and has shown it in the playofffs
- He still isnt as efficient as other players in the leauge or in the past (Jordan), regarding eFG% and FG% (In other words, Shot Selection)
And all of this is true no? So what's the big deal?
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this game was crazy
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2 most in a game in NBA history baby. 8) 8)
Kobe's coming for your spot Chamberlain.
As good as he is I don't anyone will ever beat that record.
I know. I was joking. But if anyone does it'll probably be Kobe.
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2 most in a game in NBA history baby. 8) 8)
Kobe's coming for your spot Chamberlain.
As good as he is I don't anyone will ever beat that record.
I know. I was joking. But if anyone does it'll probably be Kobe.
Yeah ur right about that.
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:o :o :o
Kobe is simply the greatest and most spectacular thing basketball will see in a while...Next is 100. ;)
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Not only did he rape that chick but he raped the Raps too!
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UNBELIEVABLE :o. I kinda thought Kobe missed a historic moment by not playing the 4th against Dallas, HELL NAW :banana_trippin: :banana_trippin: :cheers:
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ok now, im not a hater, kobe is nasty, but he IS a ball hog. how the fuck do u have 81 points and only 2 assists?
7-13 on the 3 pointers, nigga is nasty!
and no one is touchin chambos Big Face
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ok now, im not a hater, kobe is nasty, but he IS a ball hog. how the fuck do u have 81 points and only 2 assists?
7-13 on the 3 pointers, nigga is nasty!
and no one is touchin chambos Big Face
::) Maybe because his team was down 14 at halftime. And the question is how do you score 81 and have alot of assists?
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http://www.sportingnews.com/archives/wilt/box.html
Wilt also got 2 assist well scoring 100. Interesting.
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81 points :o X 81
28-46 FG :yikes: X 28
7-13 3PT :banana_trippin: X 7
18-20FT :banana_llama: X 18
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One of The Greatest Performances
In Sports History
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wooooooow that's all you can say, woooow kobe IS the lakers
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ok now, im not a hater, kobe is nasty, but he IS a ball hog. how the fuck do u have 81 points and only 2 assists?
7-13 on the 3 pointers, nigga is nasty!
and no one is touchin chambos Big Face
::) Maybe because his team was down 14 at halftime. And the question is how do you score 81 and have alot of assists?
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im pretty sure we will never see another performance like this in our lifetime.Fucking big ups Kobe. 8)
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wow im SO MAD i missed this! anyone know when they'll replay it? wjhat channel? or if someone recorded the game or sumthing.
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wow im SO MAD i missed this! anyone know when they'll replay it? wjhat channel? or if someone recorded the game or sumthing.
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Jezus! If Kobe doesn't get the MVP this year i will personally see to it that the people who decide on this die a slow, painful death
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i´ve never really liked Kobe as a person but i gotta give it to him, 81 points is fucking crazy and it´ll be a long ass time before someone comes near that again. scroing 81 points these days is a lot harder then it was to score 100 in Wilt´s days that´s for sure.
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GOD DAMN!!!
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how many points did the Lakers score?
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The other ones scored 41 points.
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The other ones scored 41 points.
LMAO at Kobe sonning his own team ;D
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Man it was ridiculous. I got the game recorded, thank God! It was ridiculous for real.
LOL @ Phil wanting to call him out when he had 77 points. Hamblen said something like: "Hey Phil, i think we can't. He has 77 points". And Phil said "WTF?".
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Just for the record, once again he outscored the opponent team in a half. In the second half Kobe scored 55 points, the Raptors "just" 41.
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wow im SO MAD i missed this! anyone know when they'll replay it? wjhat channel? or if someone recorded the game or sumthing.
Google is offering NBA games for sale... here is Kobe's 62 point game... I'm sure this 81 point game will be up soon...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=738177547277638172&q=kobe+is%3Aforsale
$3.95
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Kobe did NOT rape THAT SNO chick
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This is what people will say.
- Kobe's the greatest scorer they have personally seen
- He still hasnt won a ring, without the help of another Superstar
- He is clutch and has shown it in the playofffs
- He still isnt as efficient as other players in the leauge or in the past (Jordan), regarding eFG% and FG% (In other words, Shot Selection)
And all of this is true no? So what's the big deal?
Damn!!!im not a kobe fan,but i would be crazy to say he cant ball.....yet the reality is, that he is a ball hog.and he cant win a championship without another superstar scorer.thats just how it is, b-ball is a team sport people...and he is mos def not a team player.....a great player,but not ateam player.even jordan had to bow down to win a ring.
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Damn thats crazy.Kobe is the shit!He has always been my fav and today he proved why.
Someone needs to upload this game!
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im pretty sure we will never see another performance like this in our lifetime.Fucking big ups Kobe. 8)
I saw two.mj(63),and kobe(81)
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http://www.youtube.com/w/Kobe%27s-81-points-post-game-interview?v=VJqeRhF_vIk&search=81%20point
LOL @ Kobe tryin to keep a straight face :laugh:
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Cot damn, wtf?!!?!?!?!?!???
Watch Kobe haters use this as another reason to hate...."only a selfish ignorant ball hog would try to score 81 points"
You read my mind on that one because thats exactly what i was thinking and you made that statement as correct as it can get so you must know its true and your just ashamed.
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ok now, im not a hater, kobe is nasty, but he IS a ball hog. how the fuck do u have 81 points and only 2 assists?
7-13 on the 3 pointers, nigga is nasty!
and no one is touchin chambos Big Face
How the fuck? When you're so hot that your shot is falling that accurately there's no need to pass...Players like Jordan, D. Robinson, Wilt, etc. did it all the time when they were in a zone. Kobe's had games with 11 points and 10 assists...But nights like these are Kobe's nights, when he's practically automatic and everything he shoots falls in...PeACe
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If he's not Player of the Month , I don't get it :eh: :grumpy:
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81 mufuckin points thats fuckin insane!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Gotta give this preformance props and I m really not a laker fan. This was amazing. Shaq's dunk was still better though ;D.
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damn... can't believe it :o
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I'll come in here and be a Kobe hater
For one there wasnt a shot clock when Wilt scored his 100. So its actually harder to score 100.
2nd, Wilt was a center, so you dont get as many assists as a 1 or a 2 should.
Jordan could've scored just as many points, but once he got into his prime he realized what it takes to win a championship and he did it. Thats one thing Kobe will never learn until its too late. Kobe is too focused on his "image". He wants to be liked so bad its funny.
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I'll come in here and be a Kobe hater
For one there wasnt a shot clock when Wilt scored his 100. So its actually harder to score 100.
2nd, Wilt was a center, so you dont get as many assists as a 1 or a 2 should.
Jordan could've scored just as many points, but once he got into his prime he realized what it takes to win a championship and he did it. Thats one thing Kobe will never learn until its too late. Kobe is too focused on his "image". He wants to be liked so bad its funny.
::) The shot clock was put in during the 1954-55 season. Wilt scored 100 in 62'. Jordan didn't do it in his ballhog days during the 80's so what makes you so sure he could.
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I'll come in here and be a Kobe hater
For one there wasnt a shot clock when Wilt scored his 100. So its actually harder to score 100.
2nd, Wilt was a center, so you dont get as many assists as a 1 or a 2 should.
Jordan could've scored just as many points, but once he got into his prime he realized what it takes to win a championship and he did it. Thats one thing Kobe will never learn until its too late. Kobe is too focused on his "image". He wants to be liked so bad its funny.
Your karma = -1
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this performance was just straight up sick and is going to go down in history as one of the single greatest performances ever put forth by an NBA player. 81 points is spectacular. no two ways about it, its an amazing feat that only two people in the history of the league have ever achieved and one being the great wilt who is considered as one of the top 3 to ever play the game. yeah he only had 2 assists but wilt did too. u have to look at the circumstances of the game as well as the lakers were down by like 17 points and kobe brought them back and won the game for the lakers by 20 points( and yeah it was on the raps but dont hold that against kobe).and kobe wasnt just hucking up shots for the sake of it as he hit a good % of the shots he attempted. now on a different note if ppl wanna compare kobe to jordan or oscar or some of the greats hes def not up there yet as it all comes down to championships won. he has won quite a few already but obviuolsy shaq had a significant impact on those. Kobe needs to lead a team to a NBA championship and most likely will in the upcoming yrs.to do this he needs to be more of a leader and make his teammates better just like all the legends did and im sure kobe will too soon. its just not in his mentality right now as he believes that the only way to win is for him to score. until then he'll continue to put up amazing scoring numbers and when he matures a bit win some championships and hopefully then all he'll shut up all the haters.
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^^True, but for now I'll say Kobe at 27> Jordan at 27, because Jordan didn't become the player we know him as until he was I think 28 or 29. But that's just me. Kobe still has a long way to go to be considered up there with the great mj. (for the reasons africas seed stated)
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I'll come in here and be a Kobe hater
For one there wasnt a shot clock when Wilt scored his 100. So its actually harder to score 100.
2nd, Wilt was a center, so you dont get as many assists as a 1 or a 2 should.
Jordan could've scored just as many points, but once he got into his prime he realized what it takes to win a championship and he did it. Thats one thing Kobe will never learn until its too late. Kobe is too focused on his "image". He wants to be liked so bad its funny.
Wilt actually took 65+ shots that game, he was also playing against 5 scrawny white guys
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I'll come in here and be a Kobe hater
For one there wasnt a shot clock when Wilt scored his 100. So its actually harder to score 100.
2nd, Wilt was a center, so you dont get as many assists as a 1 or a 2 should.
Jordan could've scored just as many points, but once he got into his prime he realized what it takes to win a championship and he did it. Thats one thing Kobe will never learn until its too late. Kobe is too focused on his "image". He wants to be liked so bad its funny.
Wilt actually took 65+ shots that game, he was also playing against 5 scrawny white guys
there was also no 3 point lines... too many variables too much anything 81 points is amazing plain and simple lets just leave it at that no point in arguing anything the points speak for themselves props to kobe....
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thats just an amazing feat, props to kobe, fuck anyone tryin to hate on it
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Watch what happens in one of the upcoming games. Kobe will be in the whole game and the rest of the players will pass the ball to him everytime they get possesion of the ball and they make sure he scores all of their points and the "unthinkable" happens 101 points. I see exactly that about to go down.
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I fucking swear one of these days Kobe will hit a 100 or 0ver
The headling of LA Times will read:
KOBE: 126 Hawks: 83
;D
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Not a Kobe fan at all. But Jesus Christ. Amazing.
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http://www.youtube.com/w/kobe?v=3hJStY-jwn4&search=kobe
pretty sick video
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gotta give props but i don't like seeing ESPN and comparing Kobe to Jordan. IMO kobe is no where near jordan, yeah back in the 80's jordan might have been a ball hogger but once he learned the triangle offense that all changed. with a team playing in that kind of offense it's hard for any player to score even close to 81 points. kobe scores so much because he and the lakers suck at using the triangle so it's a one man team. the triangle offense is designed to share the ball around not just focus on one player. last but not least, kobe scoring 81 not only shows he's a great talent but it also shows the lakers as a team pretty much suck. don't talk to me about playoff when you need a 81 point preformance by kobe just to get by the Raptors. kobe scored more than the other lakers combined which shows the lack of talent and skill on that basketball team. playoffs yeah maybe but anywhere past the first round i don't see that happening. i must say it was impressive.
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damn, was the rest of his team just standin there watching?
obviously u havent been watching them all year? lol crazy performance tho. im suprised Phil kept him in after he got to 72. As for whoever spoke on the playoffs...his team will need to do more to win then if they make it. Its obvious they will need a more complete team effort to win in the playoffs. u cant just count on Kobe to score half of your points every game, especially in the playoffs when you play 7 game series'.
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gotta give props but i don't like seeing ESPN and comparing Kobe to Jordan. IMO kobe is no where near jordan, yeah back in the 80's jordan might have been a ball hogger but once he learned the triangle offense that all changed. with a team playing in that kind of offense it's hard for any player to score even close to 81 points. kobe scores so much because he and the lakers suck at using the triangle so it's a one man team. the triangle offense is designed to share the ball around not just focus on one player. last but not least, kobe scoring 81 not only shows he's a great talent but it also shows the lakers as a team pretty much suck. don't talk to me about playoff when you need a 81 point preformance by kobe just to get by the Raptors. kobe scored more than the other lakers combined which shows the lack of talent and skill on that basketball team. playoffs yeah maybe but anywhere past the first round i don't see that happening. i must say it was impressive.
WTF?...Kobe is just the primary offensive threat in the triangle offense, that doesn't mean the offense isn't running. And the Laker team defense is currently performing great, which you seemed to overlook...Jordan has shot well over 40 shots many times, before his prime, in his prime, and past his prime...He's never cracked 80 though...Not saying Kobe is better, but he's DEFINITELY the closest thing, and who knows what the future holds for him? Basically, the hate in here is digusting. Players like Iverson, LeBron, McGrady, Wilkins, Carter etc. dream of cracking 65, let alone 80...It's just amazing, nothing can follow that. Just amazing. Period.
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damn, was the rest of his team just standin there watching?
obviously u havent been watching them all year? lol crazy performance tho. im suprised Phil kept him in after he got to 72. As for whoever spoke on the playoffs...his team will need to do more to win then if they make it. Its obvious they will need a more complete team effort to win in the playoffs. u cant just count on Kobe to score half of your points every game, especially in the playoffs when you play 7 game series'.
Laker defense + Kobe offense = strong playoff team
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damn, was the rest of his team just standin there watching?
obviously u havent been watching them all year? lol crazy performance tho. im suprised Phil kept him in after he got to 72. As for whoever spoke on the playoffs...his team will need to do more to win then if they make it. Its obvious they will need a more complete team effort to win in the playoffs. u cant just count on Kobe to score half of your points every game, especially in the playoffs when you play 7 game series'.
Laker defense + Kobe offense = strong playoff team
i dunno about all that lol. i think on any given game, they can be dangerous. But like i said, and you know this, the playoffs are SUCH a different game then the regular season. Against a good defensive team, the clamps will be on the Lakers real tight. The idea, "we dont care if Kobe scores 45 points, because we'll hold the rest of the team to 35". One man wont win a playoff series...itll take the whole team, and to expect these guys to perform at that level for 4-7 games strait against an upper level team is too much. Especially if they play against an experienced playoff team. In a 7 game series...no way. I know youre a fan man, so its cool. But you gotta admit, thats getting a little ahead of yourself. Making it to the playoffs this year is an accomplishment for this team.
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i just rewatched the game
kobe could have EASILY had 12 assists in that game
mihm missed like three easy lay ups from a kobe dish
parker pissed 2 easy shots
odom missed 2 or 3
brown missed one layup
and there were a couple more "c'mon guys" kobe DID pass the ball
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i just rewatched the game
kobe could have EASILY had 12 assists in that game
mihm missed like three easy lay ups from a kobe dish
parker pissed 2 easy shots
odom missed 2 or 3
brown missed one layup
and there were a couple more "c'mon guys" kobe DID pass the ball
u know im not a Kobe fan. But, like the Dallas game...at least they won. If they would have lost, there might be some criticism of him not passing. But since they won its a not a big issue for that game. I know a lotta people here worship Kobe n all so anything negative about him, cant even be imagined. But for his passing, and a real Laker fan would have to admit this, he should try and set up teammates more from the perimeter. I noticed that Kobe tends to try and set up other players more when he drives to the basket....which is good also cus it breaks down the defense. BUT, ive played with players like that...and believe me, it IS frustrating. It gives other players the impression that he only wants to pass if he can get an assist out of it. I think (Jordan did this alot) that the Lakers would be a far more dangerous if when Kobe came off those screens and curled out to the three point line....around the elbow, he found an open man either cutting to the basket or wide open in the corner for a little 15 foot jumper. You see, that when Kobe curls around those screens (especially if he's hot), he'll have two men on him when he launches a fade-away three. Thats a perfect opportunity to pass the ball instead. You have 3 men from the other team, guarding 4 of yours. And 2 of the defenders are all the way out on the three point line sticking Kobe (thinking he's going to shoot), without any chance of recovering on D if he hits a cutter. Plus, what will happen is this. At some point....when he hits those open guys and they knock down a couple shots, teams will stop following him out on those threes, and wont double him as much because they cant give up wide open shots to the other guys. And Kobe will have more one on one opportunities. All around it would be better for u guys.
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damn, was the rest of his team just standin there watching?
obviously u havent been watching them all year? lol crazy performance tho. im suprised Phil kept him in after he got to 72. As for whoever spoke on the playoffs...his team will need to do more to win then if they make it. Its obvious they will need a more complete team effort to win in the playoffs. u cant just count on Kobe to score half of your points every game, especially in the playoffs when you play 7 game series'.
Laker defense + Kobe offense = strong playoff team
i dunno about all that lol. i think on any given game, they can be dangerous. But like i said, and you know this, the playoffs are SUCH a different game then the regular season. Against a good defensive team, the clamps will be on the Lakers real tight. The idea, "we dont care if Kobe scores 45 points, because we'll hold the rest of the team to 35". One man wont win a playoff series...itll take the whole team, and to expect these guys to perform at that level for 4-7 games strait against an upper level team is too much. Especially if they play against an experienced playoff team. In a 7 game series...no way. I know youre a fan man, so its cool. But you gotta admit, thats getting a little ahead of yourself. Making it to the playoffs this year is an accomplishment for this team.
Well, I have no doubts in Odom, who led the Heat to the second round of the playoffs and was the only upnote of the 2004 Olympic squad. I have no doubts in Phil Jacksons playoff resume. I have no doubts in experienced veteren leadership off the bench (Devean George, Aaron McKie, Medvedenko, etc.). And last of all, I have no doubts in our starters who are just now starting to prove themselves and will have a chance to excel in their first playoff appearance (Smush, Kwame, Mihm)...I believe in the Lakers, I believe they can excel in the playoffs if performing to their standards.
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i just rewatched the game
kobe could have EASILY had 12 assists in that game
mihm missed like three easy lay ups from a kobe dish
parker pissed 2 easy shots
odom missed 2 or 3
brown missed one layup
and there were a couple more "c'mon guys" kobe DID pass the ball
u know im not a Kobe fan. But, like the Dallas game...at least they won. If they would have lost, there might be some criticism of him not passing. But since they won its a not a big issue for that game. I know a lotta people here worship Kobe n all so anything negative about him, cant even be imagined. But for his passing, and a real Laker fan would have to admit this, he should try and set up teammates more from the perimeter. I noticed that Kobe tends to try and set up other players more when he drives to the basket....which is good also cus it breaks down the defense. BUT, ive played with players like that...and believe me, it IS frustrating. It gives other players the impression that he only wants to pass if he can get an assist out of it. I think (Jordan did this alot) that the Lakers would be a far more dangerous if when Kobe came off those screens and curled out to the three point line....around the elbow, he found an open man either cutting to the basket or wide open in the corner for a little 15 foot jumper. You see, that when Kobe curls around those screens (especially if he's hot), he'll have two men on him when he launches a fade-away three. Thats a perfect opportunity to pass the ball instead. You have 3 men from the other team, guarding 4 of yours. And 2 of the defenders are all the way out on the three point line sticking Kobe (thinking he's going to shoot), without any chance of recovering on D if he hits a cutter. Plus, what will happen is this. At some point....when he hits those open guys and they knock down a couple shots, teams will stop following him out on those threes, and wont double him as much because they cant give up wide open shots to the other guys. And Kobe will have more one on one opportunities. All around it would be better for u guys.
LMAO...You're telling us how Kobe should play his game? I think he's doing just fine, and I trust his basketball judgement over yours...
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damn, was the rest of his team just standin there watching?
obviously u havent been watching them all year? lol crazy performance tho. im suprised Phil kept him in after he got to 72. As for whoever spoke on the playoffs...his team will need to do more to win then if they make it. Its obvious they will need a more complete team effort to win in the playoffs. u cant just count on Kobe to score half of your points every game, especially in the playoffs when you play 7 game series'.
Laker defense + Kobe offense = strong playoff team
i dunno about all that lol. i think on any given game, they can be dangerous. But like i said, and you know this, the playoffs are SUCH a different game then the regular season. Against a good defensive team, the clamps will be on the Lakers real tight. The idea, "we dont care if Kobe scores 45 points, because we'll hold the rest of the team to 35". One man wont win a playoff series...itll take the whole team, and to expect these guys to perform at that level for 4-7 games strait against an upper level team is too much. Especially if they play against an experienced playoff team. In a 7 game series...no way. I know youre a fan man, so its cool. But you gotta admit, thats getting a little ahead of yourself. Making it to the playoffs this year is an accomplishment for this team.
Well, I have no doubts in Odom, who led the Heat to the second round of the playoffs and was the only upnote of the 2004 Olympic squad. I have no doubts in Phil Jacksons playoff resume. I have no doubts in experienced veteren leadership off the bench (Devean George, Aaron McKie, Medvedenko, etc.). And last of all, I have no doubts in our starters who are just now starting to prove themselves and will have a chance to excel in their first playoff appearance (Smush, Kwame, Mihm)...I believe in the Lakers, I believe they can excel in the playoffs if performing to their standards.
keep hope alive
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i just rewatched the game
kobe could have EASILY had 12 assists in that game
mihm missed like three easy lay ups from a kobe dish
parker pissed 2 easy shots
odom missed 2 or 3
brown missed one layup
and there were a couple more "c'mon guys" kobe DID pass the ball
u know im not a Kobe fan. But, like the Dallas game...at least they won. If they would have lost, there might be some criticism of him not passing. But since they won its a not a big issue for that game. I know a lotta people here worship Kobe n all so anything negative about him, cant even be imagined. But for his passing, and a real Laker fan would have to admit this, he should try and set up teammates more from the perimeter. I noticed that Kobe tends to try and set up other players more when he drives to the basket....which is good also cus it breaks down the defense. BUT, ive played with players like that...and believe me, it IS frustrating. It gives other players the impression that he only wants to pass if he can get an assist out of it. I think (Jordan did this alot) that the Lakers would be a far more dangerous if when Kobe came off those screens and curled out to the three point line....around the elbow, he found an open man either cutting to the basket or wide open in the corner for a little 15 foot jumper. You see, that when Kobe curls around those screens (especially if he's hot), he'll have two men on him when he launches a fade-away three. Thats a perfect opportunity to pass the ball instead. You have 3 men from the other team, guarding 4 of yours. And 2 of the defenders are all the way out on the three point line sticking Kobe (thinking he's going to shoot), without any chance of recovering on D if he hits a cutter. Plus, what will happen is this. At some point....when he hits those open guys and they knock down a couple shots, teams will stop following him out on those threes, and wont double him as much because they cant give up wide open shots to the other guys. And Kobe will have more one on one opportunities. All around it would be better for u guys.
LMAO...You're telling us how Kobe should play his game? I think he's doing just fine, and I trust his basketball judgement over yours...
lol youre right. Cus im sure youve never commented on how the Lakers could improve. Maybe you shouldnt be allowed to have an opinion lol. Im not saying how Kobe should play, yeah, he's doing fine. But his team isnt that great. Im guessing youve been watchin em this year....maybe not, just a guess. But man, other then him...its like watching cows fuck. Its Kobe coming off a screen, shooting a fadeaway three pointer with 2 guys in his face....and 4 other guys standing there watching. they wont win in the playoffs like that, i promise you. And i promise you Phil thinks the same way. Its like Barkley said during halftime of one of the Laker games last week. Its a great offensive players job to set up other players. Thats Kobe's job IMO too. He's a great scorer, whereas his teammates need help. the team is obviously far more effective when everyone is in on the scoring. As great of a scorer as u think he is, id guess that a wide open Odom jumper from the top of the key, or a Mihm layup, is still a more high percentage shot then a Kobe fadeaway three with one or two defenders in his face. Agreed? A great scorer (and this was Charles' argument too) can get their shots when they want to, so its their job to get others involved and in a rhythm. theres absolutely NO rhythm to this teams offense right now. Then, at those times when the team needs someone to takeover...thats when Kobe can do his thing.
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i just rewatched the game
kobe could have EASILY had 12 assists in that game
mihm missed like three easy lay ups from a kobe dish
parker pissed 2 easy shots
odom missed 2 or 3
brown missed one layup
and there were a couple more "c'mon guys" kobe DID pass the ball
u know im not a Kobe fan. But, like the Dallas game...at least they won. If they would have lost, there might be some criticism of him not passing. But since they won its a not a big issue for that game. I know a lotta people here worship Kobe n all so anything negative about him, cant even be imagined. But for his passing, and a real Laker fan would have to admit this, he should try and set up teammates more from the perimeter. I noticed that Kobe tends to try and set up other players more when he drives to the basket....which is good also cus it breaks down the defense. BUT, ive played with players like that...and believe me, it IS frustrating. It gives other players the impression that he only wants to pass if he can get an assist out of it. I think (Jordan did this alot) that the Lakers would be a far more dangerous if when Kobe came off those screens and curled out to the three point line....around the elbow, he found an open man either cutting to the basket or wide open in the corner for a little 15 foot jumper. You see, that when Kobe curls around those screens (especially if he's hot), he'll have two men on him when he launches a fade-away three. Thats a perfect opportunity to pass the ball instead. You have 3 men from the other team, guarding 4 of yours. And 2 of the defenders are all the way out on the three point line sticking Kobe (thinking he's going to shoot), without any chance of recovering on D if he hits a cutter. Plus, what will happen is this. At some point....when he hits those open guys and they knock down a couple shots, teams will stop following him out on those threes, and wont double him as much because they cant give up wide open shots to the other guys. And Kobe will have more one on one opportunities. All around it would be better for u guys.
LMAO...You're telling us how Kobe should play his game? I think he's doing just fine, and I trust his basketball judgement over yours...
lol youre right. Cus im sure youve never commented on how the Lakers could improve. Maybe you shouldnt be allowed to have an opinion lol. Im not saying how Kobe should play, yeah, he's doing fine. But his team isnt that great. Im guessing youve been watchin em this year....maybe not, just a guess. But man, other then him...its like watching cows fuck. Its Kobe coming off a screen, shooting a fadeaway three pointer with 2 guys in his face....and 4 other guys standing there watching. they wont win in the playoffs like that, i promise you. And i promise you Phil thinks the same way. Its like Barkley said during halftime of one of the Laker games last week. Its a great offensive players job to set up other players. Thats Kobe's job IMO too. He's a great scorer, whereas his teammates need help. the team is obviously far more effective when everyone is in on the scoring. As great of a scorer as u think he is, id guess that a wide open Odom jumper from the top of the key, or a Mihm layup, is still a more high percentage shot then a Kobe fadeaway three with one or two defenders in his face. Agreed? A great scorer (and this was Charles' argument too) can get their shots when they want to, so its their job to get others involved and in a rhythm. theres absolutely NO rhythm to this teams offense right now. Then, at those times when the team needs someone to takeover...thats when Kobe can do his thing.
Charles Barkely is the biggest Laker/Kobe hater ever, I can't believe you're even bringing him up...Kobe's shot selection, for the most part, has been great. He's usually efficient, especially down the stretch. His field goal percentage is extremely good for someone who shoots as many threes as he does...His fadeaway jumpers with 2 or 3 people in his face are hit and miss. I'd say just about the same as an Odom pull up three from the top of the key...I like Kobe's offense being the primary offense for the Lakers. Sasha's gunna hit those threes in the future on nights when Kobes penetrating only to be trippled in the lane...Bynum is gunna smash on people on dime-pieces from Kobe night in and night out...Smush is gunna penetrate into the lane off a Kobe double team (which leaves the lane open) and dunk on someone like he does. The now is looking good, and the future is looking even better... 8)
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i just rewatched the game
kobe could have EASILY had 12 assists in that game
mihm missed like three easy lay ups from a kobe dish
parker pissed 2 easy shots
odom missed 2 or 3
brown missed one layup
and there were a couple more "c'mon guys" kobe DID pass the ball
u know im not a Kobe fan. But, like the Dallas game...at least they won. If they would have lost, there might be some criticism of him not passing. But since they won its a not a big issue for that game. I know a lotta people here worship Kobe n all so anything negative about him, cant even be imagined. But for his passing, and a real Laker fan would have to admit this, he should try and set up teammates more from the perimeter. I noticed that Kobe tends to try and set up other players more when he drives to the basket....which is good also cus it breaks down the defense. BUT, ive played with players like that...and believe me, it IS frustrating. It gives other players the impression that he only wants to pass if he can get an assist out of it. I think (Jordan did this alot) that the Lakers would be a far more dangerous if when Kobe came off those screens and curled out to the three point line....around the elbow, he found an open man either cutting to the basket or wide open in the corner for a little 15 foot jumper. You see, that when Kobe curls around those screens (especially if he's hot), he'll have two men on him when he launches a fade-away three. Thats a perfect opportunity to pass the ball instead. You have 3 men from the other team, guarding 4 of yours. And 2 of the defenders are all the way out on the three point line sticking Kobe (thinking he's going to shoot), without any chance of recovering on D if he hits a cutter. Plus, what will happen is this. At some point....when he hits those open guys and they knock down a couple shots, teams will stop following him out on those threes, and wont double him as much because they cant give up wide open shots to the other guys. And Kobe will have more one on one opportunities. All around it would be better for u guys.
LMAO...You're telling us how Kobe should play his game? I think he's doing just fine, and I trust his basketball judgement over yours...
lol youre right. Cus im sure youve never commented on how the Lakers could improve. Maybe you shouldnt be allowed to have an opinion lol. Im not saying how Kobe should play, yeah, he's doing fine. But his team isnt that great. Im guessing youve been watchin em this year....maybe not, just a guess. But man, other then him...its like watching cows fuck. Its Kobe coming off a screen, shooting a fadeaway three pointer with 2 guys in his face....and 4 other guys standing there watching. they wont win in the playoffs like that, i promise you. And i promise you Phil thinks the same way. Its like Barkley said during halftime of one of the Laker games last week. Its a great offensive players job to set up other players. Thats Kobe's job IMO too. He's a great scorer, whereas his teammates need help. the team is obviously far more effective when everyone is in on the scoring. As great of a scorer as u think he is, id guess that a wide open Odom jumper from the top of the key, or a Mihm layup, is still a more high percentage shot then a Kobe fadeaway three with one or two defenders in his face. Agreed? A great scorer (and this was Charles' argument too) can get their shots when they want to, so its their job to get others involved and in a rhythm. theres absolutely NO rhythm to this teams offense right now. Then, at those times when the team needs someone to takeover...thats when Kobe can do his thing.
Charles Barkely is the biggest Laker/Kobe hater ever, I can't believe you're even bringing him up...Kobe's shot selection, for the most part, has been great. He's usually efficient, especially down the stretch. His field goal percentage is extremely good for someone who shoots as many threes as he does...His fadeaway jumpers with 2 or 3 people in his face are hit and miss. I'd say just about the same as an Odom pull up three from the top of the key...I like Kobe's offense being the primary offense for the Lakers. Sasha's gunna hit those threes in the future on nights when Kobes penetrating only to be trippled in the lane...Bynum is gunna smash on people on dime-pieces from Kobe night in and night out...Smush is gunna penetrate into the lane off a Kobe double team (which leaves the lane open) and dunk on someone like he does. The now is looking good, and the future is looking even better... 8)
How is Charles a "laker hater"? lol. How come everytime someone brings up an honest and obvious truth about your team, you guys resort to "laker hater"?. What possible reason would he have to hate the Lakers? I agree with you that Kobe should be the primary offense. But cmon man, it doesnt take much to know that him forcing up threes over 2 defenders, fading away, isnt exactly a good choice as a shot attempt. I mean, compared to him simply dishing it off for a wide open 10-15 foot jumper by someone else....or even a cutter down the lane. How many times did you see Jordan, in this same offense, come off a screen baseline with a defender trailing him...and the screeners man stepping out on him also, only for Jordan to simply dump the ball off to the screening bigman downlow who just rolled to the basket for an easy dunk? Jordan didnt have good bigmen at all....but its an easy play to run.
From ESPN
Is Kobe the MVP this season?
Legler:
He is not the MVP to this point because, as great as he has been individually, the Lakers would have an even better record if Bryant sacrificed some of his scoring to maximize the contributions of Lamar Odom and Smush Parker. Bryant has been the most outstanding player, but Chauncey Billups or Steve Nash has been the MVP.
dont get me wrong, this aint the only opinion on Kobe. Im just saying, Tim Legler's opinion is exactly the opinion i have
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Finally i’ve watched the game. Well, it was been the most incredible performance i’ve ever seen by an NBA player. Period. It’s not only the fact he scored 81 points, it’s how he scored them. He had a pretty good game in the first half, but still the Lakers were struggling and loosing. At home. Once again. Against a supposed-to-be-wack team. So he took the team over his shoulders in the second half, and he started to make the shots his teammates werent making. He scored 27 and 28 points in 2 quarters, litterally winning the game alone and outscoring the Raptors by himself. Impressive performance, and impressive “message” sent to the rest of the League. Way better than the one he sent by elbowing Miller (remember the post-game press conference?). That’s the Kobe i admire, and that’s the player who can get his first MVP throphy.
About the Jordan vs Bryant thing.. Don't get me wrong: i admire Michael Jordan, and i think he's truly a living legend, probably the 2nd best NBA player ever. But i really don't get it when you try to make it looks like if he was unselfish, or perfect. Jordan has led the NBA in field goals attemped for 10 seasons, a record. He has a career average of 22.8 field goals attemps per game against Kobe's 17.8 (it's 25.1 in the Playoff). In the 1987-88 season, he made 2279 shots: only Chamberlain in NBA history has shot more than him in a season. He shot 49 times against Orlando in 1992 (he was almost 30, so pretty mature both phisically and menthally). What i mean is that i understand that you guys remember Jordan for the last 3 season, where he menthally dominated the game, but please don't make it looks like he was a robot, or an UFO. He was a scorer. And i'm sure he dreamed about an 81-points game too. So many times.
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I've said it before & I'll say it again...
He's the best I've ever seen (Kobe) & I been thru the entire 80's Laker's
& the championship Bulls teams, During their run's.
Kobe #1
ImO..
Hatesrats 06'
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I've said it before & I'll say it again...
He's the best I've ever seen (Kobe) & I been thru the entire 80's Laker's
& the championship Bulls teams, During their run's.
Kobe #1
ImO..
Hatesrats 06'
KOBE has 3 THREE Rings LOL Go LakeShow! 8)
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i just rewatched the game
kobe could have EASILY had 12 assists in that game
mihm missed like three easy lay ups from a kobe dish
parker pissed 2 easy shots
odom missed 2 or 3
brown missed one layup
and there were a couple more "c'mon guys" kobe DID pass the ball
u know im not a Kobe fan. But, like the Dallas game...at least they won. If they would have lost, there might be some criticism of him not passing. But since they won its a not a big issue for that game. I know a lotta people here worship Kobe n all so anything negative about him, cant even be imagined. But for his passing, and a real Laker fan would have to admit this, he should try and set up teammates more from the perimeter. I noticed that Kobe tends to try and set up other players more when he drives to the basket....which is good also cus it breaks down the defense. BUT, ive played with players like that...and believe me, it IS frustrating. It gives other players the impression that he only wants to pass if he can get an assist out of it. I think (Jordan did this alot) that the Lakers would be a far more dangerous if when Kobe came off those screens and curled out to the three point line....around the elbow, he found an open man either cutting to the basket or wide open in the corner for a little 15 foot jumper. You see, that when Kobe curls around those screens (especially if he's hot), he'll have two men on him when he launches a fade-away three. Thats a perfect opportunity to pass the ball instead. You have 3 men from the other team, guarding 4 of yours. And 2 of the defenders are all the way out on the three point line sticking Kobe (thinking he's going to shoot), without any chance of recovering on D if he hits a cutter. Plus, what will happen is this. At some point....when he hits those open guys and they knock down a couple shots, teams will stop following him out on those threes, and wont double him as much because they cant give up wide open shots to the other guys. And Kobe will have more one on one opportunities. All around it would be better for u guys.
LMAO...You're telling us how Kobe should play his game? I think he's doing just fine, and I trust his basketball judgement over yours...
lol youre right. Cus im sure youve never commented on how the Lakers could improve. Maybe you shouldnt be allowed to have an opinion lol. Im not saying how Kobe should play, yeah, he's doing fine. But his team isnt that great. Im guessing youve been watchin em this year....maybe not, just a guess. But man, other then him...its like watching cows fuck. Its Kobe coming off a screen, shooting a fadeaway three pointer with 2 guys in his face....and 4 other guys standing there watching. they wont win in the playoffs like that, i promise you. And i promise you Phil thinks the same way. Its like Barkley said during halftime of one of the Laker games last week. Its a great offensive players job to set up other players. Thats Kobe's job IMO too. He's a great scorer, whereas his teammates need help. the team is obviously far more effective when everyone is in on the scoring. As great of a scorer as u think he is, id guess that a wide open Odom jumper from the top of the key, or a Mihm layup, is still a more high percentage shot then a Kobe fadeaway three with one or two defenders in his face. Agreed? A great scorer (and this was Charles' argument too) can get their shots when they want to, so its their job to get others involved and in a rhythm. theres absolutely NO rhythm to this teams offense right now. Then, at those times when the team needs someone to takeover...thats when Kobe can do his thing.
Charles Barkely is the biggest Laker/Kobe hater ever, I can't believe you're even bringing him up...Kobe's shot selection, for the most part, has been great. He's usually efficient, especially down the stretch. His field goal percentage is extremely good for someone who shoots as many threes as he does...His fadeaway jumpers with 2 or 3 people in his face are hit and miss. I'd say just about the same as an Odom pull up three from the top of the key...I like Kobe's offense being the primary offense for the Lakers. Sasha's gunna hit those threes in the future on nights when Kobes penetrating only to be trippled in the lane...Bynum is gunna smash on people on dime-pieces from Kobe night in and night out...Smush is gunna penetrate into the lane off a Kobe double team (which leaves the lane open) and dunk on someone like he does. The now is looking good, and the future is looking even better... 8)
How is Charles a "laker hater"? lol. How come everytime someone brings up an honest and obvious truth about your team, you guys resort to "laker hater"?. What possible reason would he have to hate the Lakers? I agree with you that Kobe should be the primary offense. But cmon man, it doesnt take much to know that him forcing up threes over 2 defenders, fading away, isnt exactly a good choice as a shot attempt. I mean, compared to him simply dishing it off for a wide open 10-15 foot jumper by someone else....or even a cutter down the lane. How many times did you see Jordan, in this same offense, come off a screen baseline with a defender trailing him...and the screeners man stepping out on him also, only for Jordan to simply dump the ball off to the screening bigman downlow who just rolled to the basket for an easy dunk? Jordan didnt have good bigmen at all....but its an easy play to run.
From ESPN
Is Kobe the MVP this season?
Legler:
He is not the MVP to this point because, as great as he has been individually, the Lakers would have an even better record if Bryant sacrificed some of his scoring to maximize the contributions of Lamar Odom and Smush Parker. Bryant has been the most outstanding player, but Chauncey Billups or Steve Nash has been the MVP.
dont get me wrong, this aint the only opinion on Kobe. Im just saying, Tim Legler's opinion is exactly the opinion i have
LMAO@you even questioning the hate Barkely has for the Lakers. It's so fuckin' blatant that the other analysts joke about it with him...Shit, I don't think I've ever heard him predict the Lakers will win...LOLLL. Barkely simply hates the Lakers, and he especially hates Kobe. You can tell by the way he talks about him, not just his game, but he tends to really bash the way Kobe is in general. And ESPN? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. #1 Laker hating network ever. People on the Lakersground forum call it BSPN. There are analysts out there who do not hate, and there are great sports networks out there with no bias, but you simply choose to quote the haters...LMFAO@Kobe not being MVP. Yea, Chauncey Billups is better and more valuable than Kobe Bryant...L M F A O!
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Finally i’ve watched the game. Well, it was been the most incredible performance i’ve ever seen by an NBA player. Period. It’s not only the fact he scored 81 points, it’s how he scored them. He had a pretty good game in the first half, but still the Lakers were struggling and loosing. At home. Once again. Against a supposed-to-be-wack team. So he took the team over his shoulders in the second half, and he started to make the shots his teammates werent making. He scored 27 and 28 points in 2 quarters, litterally winning the game alone and outscoring the Raptors by himself. Impressive performance, and impressive “message” sent to the rest of the League. Way better than the one he sent by elbowing Miller (remember the post-game press conference?). That’s the Kobe i admire, and that’s the player who can get his first MVP throphy.
About the Jordan vs Bryant thing.. Don't get me wrong: i admire Michael Jordan, and i think he's truly a living legend, probably the 2nd best NBA player ever. But i really don't get it when you try to make it looks like if he was unselfish, or perfect. Jordan has led the NBA in field goals attemped for 10 seasons, a record. He has a career average of 22.8 field goals attemps per game against Kobe's 17.8 (it's 25.1 in the Playoff). In the 1987-88 season, he made 2279 shots: only Chamberlain in NBA history has shot more than him in a season. He shot 49 times against Orlando in 1992 (he was almost 30, so pretty mature both phisically and menthally). What i mean is that i understand that you guys remember Jordan for the last 3 season, where he menthally dominated the game, but please don't make it looks like he was a robot, or an UFO. He was a scorer. And i'm sure he dreamed about an 81-points game too. So many times.
So true...
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T-Mac's take on it...
"I'm still in awe of what that kid did," said McGrady, whose 62 points against the Wizards in 2004 had been tied with Bryant's 62 against the Mavericks for the most in a game by a current NBA player. "It was just a hell of a performance for him to shoot the ball only 46 times to score 81 points. But not just to be able to shoot it 46 times, but to shoot it 46 times and hit well over 50 percent. There are nights I'm in the 30s of shots taken and I've been fatigued. To take 46 and 20 free throws and end up with 81 points, I didn't believe it.
"We were on the bus and Luther ( Head) yelled out, 'Kobe's got 70-something and there's four minutes left.' I said, 'Luther, stop lying.' I hurried up and got my key and went to my room and called one of my boys to put on the game and Kobe was at the free throw line with 79 points. I said, 'Are you serious?' I don't think I could score that many in a video game."
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Phil Jackson...
Lakers coach Phil Jackson, who coached the Jordan-led Chicago Bulls to six championships in the 1990s, said Bryant's single-game performance surpassed anything Jordan ever did on a given night.
"That was something to behold — it was another level," Jackson said. "At halftime we were disturbed about the way we were playing. We came out and Kobe just found a way to do everything.
"It's not exactly the way you want to have a team win a game, but when you have to win a game, it's great to have that weapon to be able to do that."
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Finally i’ve watched the game. Well, it was been the most incredible performance i’ve ever seen by an NBA player. Period. It’s not only the fact he scored 81 points, it’s how he scored them. He had a pretty good game in the first half, but still the Lakers were struggling and loosing. At home. Once again. Against a supposed-to-be-wack team. So he took the team over his shoulders in the second half, and he started to make the shots his teammates werent making. He scored 27 and 28 points in 2 quarters, litterally winning the game alone and outscoring the Raptors by himself. Impressive performance, and impressive “message” sent to the rest of the League. Way better than the one he sent by elbowing Miller (remember the post-game press conference?). That’s the Kobe i admire, and that’s the player who can get his first MVP throphy.
About the Jordan vs Bryant thing.. Don't get me wrong: i admire Michael Jordan, and i think he's truly a living legend, probably the 2nd best NBA player ever. But i really don't get it when you try to make it looks like if he was unselfish, or perfect. Jordan has led the NBA in field goals attemped for 10 seasons, a record. He has a career average of 22.8 field goals attemps per game against Kobe's 17.8 (it's 25.1 in the Playoff). In the 1987-88 season, he made 2279 shots: only Chamberlain in NBA history has shot more than him in a season. He shot 49 times against Orlando in 1992 (he was almost 30, so pretty mature both phisically and menthally). What i mean is that i understand that you guys remember Jordan for the last 3 season, where he menthally dominated the game, but please don't make it looks like he was a robot, or an UFO. He was a scorer. And i'm sure he dreamed about an 81-points game too. So many times.
So true...
i can bet that if shaq wasnt there for his whole career besides these past two seasons that kobes FG attempts would be WAY HIGHER!... there just isnt a comparison they are both there own players.... and so far jordan is the better player kobe still in the league so everyone has to wait til its all said and done.... and kobe needs to earn those championships as the leader of the team before you can start comparing...... get some league MVP's and Finals MVP's and a few more things before it can even be considered... two different players even tho they got similar playing styles
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What would the media do if LeBron scored 81?
...I doubt he would get these mixed reviews. Here is what I think would happen if James had scored 81 points instead of Bryant.
- NBA regualr season officially shortened from 82 games to 81
- ESPN changes name to LBJN
- All NBA teams forced to hang a #23 James jersey in their rafters....even the Bulls
- Tim Legler in front of a national TV audience on NBA Fastbreak takes out his LeBron James blowup doll and makes love to it.
- LeBron changes the tatoo on his back to The Chosen Eighty-One
- David Stern starts referring to himself in the 3rd person as "King David"
- ESPN starts a whole new channell, the ocho uno, in which cameras follow around LeBron 24 hours a day
taken form Lakersground.net
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Finally i’ve watched the game. Well, it was been the most incredible performance i’ve ever seen by an NBA player. Period. It’s not only the fact he scored 81 points, it’s how he scored them. He had a pretty good game in the first half, but still the Lakers were struggling and loosing. At home. Once again. Against a supposed-to-be-wack team. So he took the team over his shoulders in the second half, and he started to make the shots his teammates werent making. He scored 27 and 28 points in 2 quarters, litterally winning the game alone and outscoring the Raptors by himself. Impressive performance, and impressive “message” sent to the rest of the League. Way better than the one he sent by elbowing Miller (remember the post-game press conference?). That’s the Kobe i admire, and that’s the player who can get his first MVP throphy.
About the Jordan vs Bryant thing.. Don't get me wrong: i admire Michael Jordan, and i think he's truly a living legend, probably the 2nd best NBA player ever. But i really don't get it when you try to make it looks like if he was unselfish, or perfect. Jordan has led the NBA in field goals attemped for 10 seasons, a record. He has a career average of 22.8 field goals attemps per game against Kobe's 17.8 (it's 25.1 in the Playoff). In the 1987-88 season, he made 2279 shots: only Chamberlain in NBA history has shot more than him in a season. He shot 49 times against Orlando in 1992 (he was almost 30, so pretty mature both phisically and menthally). What i mean is that i understand that you guys remember Jordan for the last 3 season, where he menthally dominated the game, but please don't make it looks like he was a robot, or an UFO. He was a scorer. And i'm sure he dreamed about an 81-points game too. So many times.
So true...
i can bet that if shaq wasnt there for his whole career besides these past two seasons that kobes FG attempts would be WAY HIGHER!... there just isnt a comparison they are both there own players.... and so far jordan is the better player kobe still in the league so everyone has to wait til its all said and done.... and kobe needs to earn those championships as the leader of the team before you can start comparing...... get some league MVP's and Finals MVP's and a few more things before it can even be considered... two different players even tho they got similar playing styles
I bet I bet I bet...You were the one who made that dumbass comment that Kobe wasn't up there on Larry Bird's level. You're too much of a Laker fan to be a Jordan dick-rider, and I wouldn't wanna say it the other way around. Bottom line is, Kobe is the closest thing we've seen to Jordan, and if he doesn't surpass Jordan by the time it's all said and done, I'd honestly be surprised...It seems to me like you don't want him surpassing Jordan or something, or as if you think it'd be blasphemy to mention them in the same sentence...As a Laker fan, you should hope that Kobe can one day exceed Jordan's level of play, and let me tell you something, he's not that far away...
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Kobe in the same breath as Michael? Maybe it's time
By John Celestand
Jan. 17, 2005
OK, this is not really an article. Let’s just think of this as a
couple of fans talking -- just being simply amazed at what
occurred the other night. I woke up groggy-eyed from my
sleep, only to turn on SportsCenter like I do every morning.
I was expecting simply to check out a couple of highlights
about the NFL playoffs, yet I heard the unthinkable.
“Tracy McGrady scored 43 points last night, (but ) big deal,"
said ESPN's Stuart Scott. "It was about half of what Kobe
scored.”
What?! It couldn’t be. I must have heard wrong. That would
mean Kobe Bryant scored about 80 points! So I called my
friend and former high school teammate Delvon McMillan,
awaking him from his sleep.
“Del, I know I didn’t just hear this. I know I ...“
He interjected. “Kobe Bryant had 81 points!” he insisted.
“And he shot better than 50 percent from the field.”
His statement stopped me in my tracks. It had to sink in for
a second. Some things have a delayed reaction. You just
don’t compute them as quickly as others. The same thing happened to me in 2000 when Vince Carter put his elbow in the rim in the dunk contest. I remember watching it with a bunch of my friends. I remember after the dunk, the room being quiet. Nobody understood what happened for about three or four seconds. Then it sunk in. His elbow was in the rim. That’s how high he was. Kobe scored 81.That’s how good he is.
I was somewhat ashamed for thinking what I was thinking. I almost didn’t say it. No real basketball person could ever say this, would dare say this. I thought about how my friend Delvon would view me after the ludicrous statement I was about to make. I mean, he played college basketball, too -- so it wasn’t as if I was talking to some slouch off the street.
But I conjured up the nerve and I did it.
”Do you think he is a better scorer than Jordan?” I asked
I had done it. I asked the stupidest question of all time. Oh my goodness, he would think I was an idiot. As soon as I asked it, I wanted to take it back. All of my basketball validity was now lost.
“I would have to say yes,” Delvon responded. “Kobe’s got the ultimate skills.”
He had done it. He said it. Now there were two men who would be hauled off to the funny farm if anybody found out about this. We would have to keep this a secret. Nobody could know what we had confided in each other. Maybe Jordan was no longer the greatest scorer ever.
I tried to make it sound better.
“Maybe Jordan is the best clutch scorer ever; Kobe is the best overall scorer,”
I reasoned.
“Kobe is clutch too," Delvon said. "He’s hit big shots in big-time games in the playoffs, regular season, and the Finals.
“He scored 81 -- do you get it?”
I tried to reevaluate what were saying. I hope that Mike never found out about this. We were betraying him. But this was the present. Kobe was the present, and the present is always so much clearer.
Of course, Wilt Chamberlain scored 100 points. The difference, is that Wilt was so much more physically gifted than his opponents. He was so huge, so strong, so much more athletic than the helpless defenders that tried to guard him. Even Bill Russell, the greatest defensive center of all time, looked like a child compared to Chamberlain.
Kobe is a guard, many of his shots coming from 15 feet and out. The players guarding Kobe are his same size and strength. Some of the players may be even stronger and more athletic. It doesn’t matter. They can’t stop him. He scored 81 points.
“I know it’s hard to fathom that maybe Kobe is going to be better than Mike," Delvon said. “But he had 81 points. I turned on the TV on a day after the NFC and AFC championship games and Kobe’s the lead story. That’s unreal.”
Why I am I so surprised? I witnessed his greatness firsthand. I remember in practice always wanting to take on the challenge of guarding him. I was a competitor. I wanted to get better. Even if he torched me, it was for my own good.
But there were many days when I would leave doubting myself -- because I just couldn’t stop him. No one had ever left me so bewildered. There was nothing I could do. If I beat Kobe to the spot, he shot over me. If I got too close, he drove past me. If I backed off too far, he shot the jumper. If none of that worked for him, he posted me up.
Nobody could stop him and I was no different. I should have saved those days of anguish and just realized that I wasn’t that bad -- that he was just that good.
I think Delvon summed it up best.
“There’s nothing you can do," he said. "There’s nothing anybody can do. He’s the Man. He only stops scoring when he feels like it.”
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Quotes from around the league...
"I'm not in that kind of shape to score that much. When I had 56 (in high school), my shoulder was so tired I had to ice that thing down. That takes so much energy to score those kinds of points because, think about it, you're not making every single shot. There are lots of trips you miss shots and still got to play D. No way I could do that."
-- Detroit's Chauncey Billups
"It's beyond words. For a two-guard to do that in this era when defenses can be geared around one player, it's out of this world. . . . I don't feel so bad about the 45 he got on us now."
-- Pacers coach Rick Carlisle
"I don't think I could score that many in a video game."
-- Houston's Tracy McGrady
"(Shaquille O'Neal) told us to get him 50 shots (in the next game)."
-- Miami's Antoine Walker
"He's just one of those guys I have a lot of respect for. He's strong-willed and he believes in himself to the core."
-- Minnesota's Wally Szczerbiak
"Can anyone get 100? If you can get 81, absolutely. He just needs to take 10 more shots."
-- Miami coach Pat Riley
"The No. 1 thing he said after the game which impressed me was not that he scored 81 but that's what he thought he needed to do in order for his team to get the win."
-- Detroit coach Flip Saunders
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The biggest clown isn't even Barkley, it's George Karl WTF :loco: :grumpy: :yikes:
DENVER - In George Karl’s eyes, Carmelo Anthony’s 37-point performance against Toronto was every bit as impressive as the 81 points Kobe Bryant poured on the Raptors a night earlier.
Maybe a smidgen more amazing, in fact.
Karl’s a big believer that shooting percentage is a better barometer for players than point totals, and Anthony shot a career-best 81.25 percent in leading the Denver Nuggets to their sixth straight win, 107-101 Monday night.
Don’t get him wrong, Karl called Kobe “a superman, he’s a super-human athlete,” but Denver’s coach liked watching his own star shoot an efficient 13-of-16 from the floor much more than he enjoyed watching Bryant burn the Raptors, a game he turned off after the Los Angeles Lakers took the lead, history be damned.
“’Melo was incredible, 13-for-16? Players just don’t do that in this league anymore, and he does,” Karl said. “I just think it shows that if he makes the jump shot, he’s very difficult, if not impossible to cover.”
Anthony’s previous career-best shooting day was 75 percent on 12-for-16 shooting against Golden State last April.
The Raptors were still smarting a day after surrendering Bryant’s 81 points in their 122-104 loss to the Lakers. After watching the film in the morning, Toronto put its embarrassment behind and gave the Nuggets a good game.
But whether it was Kobe’s 81 points or ’Melo’s 81 percentage points, it equaled a loss just the same.
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LOL...He's tryna build confidence in 'Melo, he knows damn well the 81 points is way more amazing than anything Carmelo will EVER do.
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Finally i’ve watched the game. Well, it was been the most incredible performance i’ve ever seen by an NBA player. Period. It’s not only the fact he scored 81 points, it’s how he scored them. He had a pretty good game in the first half, but still the Lakers were struggling and loosing. At home. Once again. Against a supposed-to-be-wack team. So he took the team over his shoulders in the second half, and he started to make the shots his teammates werent making. He scored 27 and 28 points in 2 quarters, litterally winning the game alone and outscoring the Raptors by himself. Impressive performance, and impressive “message” sent to the rest of the League. Way better than the one he sent by elbowing Miller (remember the post-game press conference?). That’s the Kobe i admire, and that’s the player who can get his first MVP throphy.
About the Jordan vs Bryant thing.. Don't get me wrong: i admire Michael Jordan, and i think he's truly a living legend, probably the 2nd best NBA player ever. But i really don't get it when you try to make it looks like if he was unselfish, or perfect. Jordan has led the NBA in field goals attemped for 10 seasons, a record. He has a career average of 22.8 field goals attemps per game against Kobe's 17.8 (it's 25.1 in the Playoff). In the 1987-88 season, he made 2279 shots: only Chamberlain in NBA history has shot more than him in a season. He shot 49 times against Orlando in 1992 (he was almost 30, so pretty mature both phisically and menthally). What i mean is that i understand that you guys remember Jordan for the last 3 season, where he menthally dominated the game, but please don't make it looks like he was a robot, or an UFO. He was a scorer. And i'm sure he dreamed about an 81-points game too. So many times.
So true...
i can bet that if shaq wasnt there for his whole career besides these past two seasons that kobes FG attempts would be WAY HIGHER!... there just isnt a comparison they are both there own players.... and so far jordan is the better player kobe still in the league so everyone has to wait til its all said and done.... and kobe needs to earn those championships as the leader of the team before you can start comparing...... get some league MVP's and Finals MVP's and a few more things before it can even be considered... two different players even tho they got similar playing styles
I bet I bet I bet...You were the one who made that dumbass comment that Kobe wasn't up there on Larry Bird's level. You're too much of a Laker fan to be a Jordan dick-rider, and I wouldn't wanna say it the other way around. Bottom line is, Kobe is the closest thing we've seen to Jordan, and if he doesn't surpass Jordan by the time it's all said and done, I'd honestly be surprised...It seems to me like you don't want him surpassing Jordan or something, or as if you think it'd be blasphemy to mention them in the same sentence...As a Laker fan, you should hope that Kobe can one day exceed Jordan's level of play, and let me tell you something, he's not that far away...
lol... always hahha you are halarious man... you need to relax sometimes sound like you always mad and streesed out......but anyway its all a matter of opinion and your too fixed on yours is always right when it comes to Kobe and laker shit ...but its all good because thats your opinion.... i agreed he is a great player plenty of times... but comparing shit like FG attempts and shit like that is all based on a shit load of Variables and Shaq being on your team for your whole career is a HUGE variable.... i hope he proves that he can win some championships... cause that means the lakers win championships but what i do disagree on is on your comment that states "he's not that far away" its all a matter of opinion there is a long list of accomplishments he has to surpass than just 81 point game... dont get me wrong thats fuckin amazing but there is a list of accomplishments that jordan has that will put Kobe's to shame "right now" and thats why i said you must all wait til its all said and done because as of right now i just dont see it happening but hes gettin there and thats great....
http://www.nba.com/jordan/list_honors.html
Michael Jordan's Honors
NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time Team (1996)
Member of six NBA championship teams (1991-93, 1996-98)
Five-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991-92, 1996, 1998)
Six-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player (1991-93, 1996-98)
Ten-time All-NBA First Team (1987-93, 1996-98)
All-NBA Second team (1985)
Nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team (1987-93, 1996-98)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
NBA All-Rookie Team (1985)
Two-time IBM Award winner, for all-around contribution to team's success (1985, 1989)
Three-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
Participated in 11 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-98), starting 10 times, and missed another due to injury
Holds the NBA All-Star Game career record for highest scoring average (21.3 ppg)
Recorded only triple-double in All-Star Game history, with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists, in the 1997 NBA All-Star Game in Cleveland
Won the Nestle Crunch Slam Dunk in 1987 and 1988, also participating in 1985
Passed Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to become the NBA's all-time leading playoff scorer (5,762 points) during the 1998 Eastern Conference Finals
Passed Dennis Johnson into fourth place on the NBA's all-time playoff assists list (1,006), in an 88-83 victory over the Indiana Pacers in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals in 1997-98
Scored his 29,000th career point, posting a game-high 41 points, 6 rebounds and 4 assists, in a 107-93 win over the Minnesota Timberwolves on 4/3
Broke Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's NBA record by scoring in double-digits for the 788th consecutive game, scoring a game-high 33 points, against the Minnesota Timberwolves on 12/30/97
Scored a career-high 69 points in a 117-113 overtime win at Cleveland on 3/28/90
Chicago Bulls all-time leader in scoring (29,277 points), assists (5,012) and steals (2,306)
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading league in scoring -- 10; highest points per game average (minimum 400 games or 10,000 points) -- 31.5; most seasons leading league in field goals made -- 10; and most seasons leading league in field goals attempted -- 10
Shares the NBA career record for most seasons with 2,000 or more points -- 11; and most consecutive seasons leading league in scoring --7 (1986-87 through 1992-93)
Holds single-game records for most free throws made in one half -- 20 (December 30, 1992, at Miami); and most free-throws attempted in one half -- 23 (December 30, 1992, at Miami)
Shares single-game records for most free throws made in one quarter -- 14 (December 30, 1992, at Miami); and most free-throws attempted in one quarter -- 16 (December 30, 1992, at Miami)
Holds the NBA Finals record for highest single-series scoring average -- 41.0 ppg (1993)
Holds NBA Finals record for most three-point field goals made -- 42; and most consecutive games with 20 or more points -- 35 (June 2, 1991-June 14, 1998)
Holds the NBA Finals single-game record for most points in one half -- 35 (June 3, 1992 vs. Portland)
Shares NBA Finals single-game records for most field goals made in one half -- 14; and most three-point field goals made in one half -- 6 (June 3, 1992, vs. Portland); most free throws made in one quarter -- 9 (June 11, 1997 vs. Utah); and most free throws attempted in one half -- 15 (June 4, 1997, vs. Utah)
Holds the NBA Playoffs record for most points -- 5,987; highest points-per-game average (minimum 25 games or 625 points) -- 33.4 ppg; most field goals attempted -- 4,497; most free throws made -- 1,463; most free throws attempted -- 1,766; and most steals -- 376
Scored a career playoff-high 63 points against the Boston Celtics on 4/20/86, setting an NBA record for most points in a playoff game
Holds single-game playoff records for most free throws made in one quarter -- 13; and most free throws attempted in one quarter -- 14 (May 21, 1991, vs. Detroit)
Shares single-game playoff records for most field goals made -- 24 (May 1, 1998, vs. Cleveland); most field goals attempted in one half -- 25 (May 1, 1988, vs. Cleveland); and most three-point field goals made in one half -- 6 (June 6, 1992, vs. Portland)
Recorded two playoff career triple-doubles, both against the New York Knicks (May 9, 1989 and June 2, 1993)
Notched 28th career triple-doubles, the last being a 30 point, 11 rebound and 10 assist effort against the Toronto Raptors on 4/14/97
Member of the gold-medal-winning U.S. Olympic team (1984, 1992)
As a freshman at the University of North Carolina, hit the game-winning shot in the 1982 NCAA Championship game
Named College Player of the Year by The Sporting News in both 1983 and 1984 and won the Naismith and Wooden Awards in 1984
thats the list and its freakin amazing ... im not saying he has to beat all these things cause there are just some that he cant...lol... like College shit... but its quite a list.... kobe is inching at it ... the most important for me would be for him to win a championship... that will totally change my mind about him.... and i think its bound ot happen in the next few years.... and i hope to see that day.... but he needs to do it first he obviously has the potential but i want to see him lead his team to a championship.... that is going to be the ultimate bitch slap to all the critics but thats what everybody wants in reality.....
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Finally i’ve watched the game. Well, it was been the most incredible performance i’ve ever seen by an NBA player. Period. It’s not only the fact he scored 81 points, it’s how he scored them. He had a pretty good game in the first half, but still the Lakers were struggling and loosing. At home. Once again. Against a supposed-to-be-wack team. So he took the team over his shoulders in the second half, and he started to make the shots his teammates werent making. He scored 27 and 28 points in 2 quarters, litterally winning the game alone and outscoring the Raptors by himself. Impressive performance, and impressive “message” sent to the rest of the League. Way better than the one he sent by elbowing Miller (remember the post-game press conference?). That’s the Kobe i admire, and that’s the player who can get his first MVP throphy.
About the Jordan vs Bryant thing.. Don't get me wrong: i admire Michael Jordan, and i think he's truly a living legend, probably the 2nd best NBA player ever. But i really don't get it when you try to make it looks like if he was unselfish, or perfect. Jordan has led the NBA in field goals attemped for 10 seasons, a record. He has a career average of 22.8 field goals attemps per game against Kobe's 17.8 (it's 25.1 in the Playoff). In the 1987-88 season, he made 2279 shots: only Chamberlain in NBA history has shot more than him in a season. He shot 49 times against Orlando in 1992 (he was almost 30, so pretty mature both phisically and menthally). What i mean is that i understand that you guys remember Jordan for the last 3 season, where he menthally dominated the game, but please don't make it looks like he was a robot, or an UFO. He was a scorer. And i'm sure he dreamed about an 81-points game too. So many times.
So true...
i can bet that if shaq wasnt there for his whole career besides these past two seasons that kobes FG attempts would be WAY HIGHER!... there just isnt a comparison they are both there own players.... and so far jordan is the better player kobe still in the league so everyone has to wait til its all said and done.... and kobe needs to earn those championships as the leader of the team before you can start comparing...... get some league MVP's and Finals MVP's and a few more things before it can even be considered... two different players even tho they got similar playing styles
I wasn't really comparing them.
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More quotes...
"That's wild," Bird told the Indianapolis Star. "That is really wild. That's a lot of points, I'm telling you. There's no question how good he is, but when you start throwing numbers around like that, it's unbelievable. It would be hard to believe if you didn't know it was true."
-- Larry Bird
"You give the same amount of shots to everybody else and they're not making that many, I know it. Players are jealous of greatness. Kobe is a unique talent and a unique person."
-- Jerry West
"I couldn't sleep. It was just an amazing thing. I must have woken up 20 times going, 'That guy just got 81.' "
-- Raptors GM Rob Babcock
"I watched everything. I watched it on Good Morning America, I was up all night. When you're contesting those jumpers, it's tough to watch. But you have to, you've got to deal with it. The last two or three minutes, should you go clothes-line the guy? Did I think about it? Yeah, I thought about it. That would be just as much being a bad sport and a hater. You have to suck it up and take it like a man. I was getting as many calls about his effort as I was getting about anything all year. I turned off my cell. We have to get another game under our belt and then I could check in with the rest of the world unless Carmelo or somebody is about to give us 60 or 70."
--Jalen Rose
"I grabbed the program, the game notes and any other souvenir I could get my hands on before leaving the Staples Center late Sunday night. And I never keep that kind of stuff. But this was different. You sensed you were part of something unbelievable. I wanted a keepsake. I've never been a big individual stats guy. But I've never seen anything like this game. His team was playing like absolute crap and you could see he was mad at halftime. Then he just took the game over. Just like that. At the end, I wasn't thinking so much about the 81 points he scored, not diminishing that in any way. I was thinking he outscored the Raptors 55-41 in the second half all by himself. One guy outscored an entire team. Think about that."
--Raptors broadcaster, national team coach, and former player Leo Rautins
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By John Celestand
John Celestand the former Laker player? Damn he's a really funny guy, i've met him a couple of times when he played here in Italy for Bologna. Pretty nice article, i didn't know he was so good.
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“’Melo was incredible, 13-for-16? Players just don’t do that in this league anymore, and he does,” Karl said.
But players score 81 points in a game all the time right? ???
I can't even begin to explain how stupd a logic that is.
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Finally i’ve watched the game. Well, it was been the most incredible performance i’ve ever seen by an NBA player. Period. It’s not only the fact he scored 81 points, it’s how he scored them. He had a pretty good game in the first half, but still the Lakers were struggling and loosing. At home. Once again. Against a supposed-to-be-wack team. So he took the team over his shoulders in the second half, and he started to make the shots his teammates werent making. He scored 27 and 28 points in 2 quarters, litterally winning the game alone and outscoring the Raptors by himself. Impressive performance, and impressive “message” sent to the rest of the League. Way better than the one he sent by elbowing Miller (remember the post-game press conference?). That’s the Kobe i admire, and that’s the player who can get his first MVP throphy.
About the Jordan vs Bryant thing.. Don't get me wrong: i admire Michael Jordan, and i think he's truly a living legend, probably the 2nd best NBA player ever. But i really don't get it when you try to make it looks like if he was unselfish, or perfect. Jordan has led the NBA in field goals attemped for 10 seasons, a record. He has a career average of 22.8 field goals attemps per game against Kobe's 17.8 (it's 25.1 in the Playoff). In the 1987-88 season, he made 2279 shots: only Chamberlain in NBA history has shot more than him in a season. He shot 49 times against Orlando in 1992 (he was almost 30, so pretty mature both phisically and menthally). What i mean is that i understand that you guys remember Jordan for the last 3 season, where he menthally dominated the game, but please don't make it looks like he was a robot, or an UFO. He was a scorer. And i'm sure he dreamed about an 81-points game too. So many times.
So true...
i can bet that if shaq wasnt there for his whole career besides these past two seasons that kobes FG attempts would be WAY HIGHER!... there just isnt a comparison they are both there own players.... and so far jordan is the better player kobe still in the league so everyone has to wait til its all said and done.... and kobe needs to earn those championships as the leader of the team before you can start comparing...... get some league MVP's and Finals MVP's and a few more things before it can even be considered... two different players even tho they got similar playing styles
I bet I bet I bet...You were the one who made that dumbass comment that Kobe wasn't up there on Larry Bird's level. You're too much of a Laker fan to be a Jordan dick-rider, and I wouldn't wanna say it the other way around. Bottom line is, Kobe is the closest thing we've seen to Jordan, and if he doesn't surpass Jordan by the time it's all said and done, I'd honestly be surprised...It seems to me like you don't want him surpassing Jordan or something, or as if you think it'd be blasphemy to mention them in the same sentence...As a Laker fan, you should hope that Kobe can one day exceed Jordan's level of play, and let me tell you something, he's not that far away...
lol... always hahha you are halarious man... you need to relax sometimes sound like you always mad and streesed out......but anyway its all a matter of opinion and your too fixed on yours is always right when it comes to Kobe and laker shit ...but its all good because thats your opinion.... i agreed he is a great player plenty of times... but comparing shit like FG attempts and shit like that is all based on a shit load of Variables and Shaq being on your team for your whole career is a HUGE variable.... i hope he proves that he can win some championships... cause that means the lakers win championships but what i do disagree on is on your comment that states "he's not that far away" its all a matter of opinion there is a long list of accomplishments he has to surpass than just 81 point game... dont get me wrong thats fuckin amazing but there is a list of accomplishments that jordan has that will put Kobe's to shame "right now" and thats why i said you must all wait til its all said and done because as of right now i just dont see it happening but hes gettin there and thats great....
http://www.nba.com/jordan/list_honors.html
Michael Jordan's Honors
NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time Team (1996)
Member of six NBA championship teams (1991-93, 1996-98)
Five-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991-92, 1996, 1998)
Six-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player (1991-93, 1996-98)
Ten-time All-NBA First Team (1987-93, 1996-98)
All-NBA Second team (1985)
Nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team (1987-93, 1996-98)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
NBA All-Rookie Team (1985)
Two-time IBM Award winner, for all-around contribution to team's success (1985, 1989)
Three-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
Participated in 11 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-98), starting 10 times, and missed another due to injury
Holds the NBA All-Star Game career record for highest scoring average (21.3 ppg)
Recorded only triple-double in All-Star Game history, with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists, in the 1997 NBA All-Star Game in Cleveland
Won the Nestle Crunch Slam Dunk in 1987 and 1988, also participating in 1985
Passed Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to become the NBA's all-time leading playoff scorer (5,762 points) during the 1998 Eastern Conference Finals
Passed Dennis Johnson into fourth place on the NBA's all-time playoff assists list (1,006), in an 88-83 victory over the Indiana Pacers in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals in 1997-98
Scored his 29,000th career point, posting a game-high 41 points, 6 rebounds and 4 assists, in a 107-93 win over the Minnesota Timberwolves on 4/3
Broke Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's NBA record by scoring in double-digits for the 788th consecutive game, scoring a game-high 33 points, against the Minnesota Timberwolves on 12/30/97
Scored a career-high 69 points in a 117-113 overtime win at Cleveland on 3/28/90
Chicago Bulls all-time leader in scoring (29,277 points), assists (5,012) and steals (2,306)
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading league in scoring -- 10; highest points per game average (minimum 400 games or 10,000 points) -- 31.5; most seasons leading league in field goals made -- 10; and most seasons leading league in field goals attempted -- 10
Shares the NBA career record for most seasons with 2,000 or more points -- 11; and most consecutive seasons leading league in scoring --7 (1986-87 through 1992-93)
Holds single-game records for most free throws made in one half -- 20 (December 30, 1992, at Miami); and most free-throws attempted in one half -- 23 (December 30, 1992, at Miami)
Shares single-game records for most free throws made in one quarter -- 14 (December 30, 1992, at Miami); and most free-throws attempted in one quarter -- 16 (December 30, 1992, at Miami)
Holds the NBA Finals record for highest single-series scoring average -- 41.0 ppg (1993)
Holds NBA Finals record for most three-point field goals made -- 42; and most consecutive games with 20 or more points -- 35 (June 2, 1991-June 14, 1998)
Holds the NBA Finals single-game record for most points in one half -- 35 (June 3, 1992 vs. Portland)
Shares NBA Finals single-game records for most field goals made in one half -- 14; and most three-point field goals made in one half -- 6 (June 3, 1992, vs. Portland); most free throws made in one quarter -- 9 (June 11, 1997 vs. Utah); and most free throws attempted in one half -- 15 (June 4, 1997, vs. Utah)
Holds the NBA Playoffs record for most points -- 5,987; highest points-per-game average (minimum 25 games or 625 points) -- 33.4 ppg; most field goals attempted -- 4,497; most free throws made -- 1,463; most free throws attempted -- 1,766; and most steals -- 376
Scored a career playoff-high 63 points against the Boston Celtics on 4/20/86, setting an NBA record for most points in a playoff game
Holds single-game playoff records for most free throws made in one quarter -- 13; and most free throws attempted in one quarter -- 14 (May 21, 1991, vs. Detroit)
Shares single-game playoff records for most field goals made -- 24 (May 1, 1998, vs. Cleveland); most field goals attempted in one half -- 25 (May 1, 1988, vs. Cleveland); and most three-point field goals made in one half -- 6 (June 6, 1992, vs. Portland)
Recorded two playoff career triple-doubles, both against the New York Knicks (May 9, 1989 and June 2, 1993)
Notched 28th career triple-doubles, the last being a 30 point, 11 rebound and 10 assist effort against the Toronto Raptors on 4/14/97
Member of the gold-medal-winning U.S. Olympic team (1984, 1992)
As a freshman at the University of North Carolina, hit the game-winning shot in the 1982 NCAA Championship game
Named College Player of the Year by The Sporting News in both 1983 and 1984 and won the Naismith and Wooden Awards in 1984
thats the list and its freakin amazing ... im not saying he has to beat all these things cause there are just some that he cant...lol... like College shit... but its quite a list.... kobe is inching at it ... the most important for me would be for him to win a championship... that will totally change my mind about him.... and i think its bound ot happen in the next few years.... and i hope to see that day.... but he needs to do it first he obviously has the potential but i want to see him lead his team to a championship.... that is going to be the ultimate bitch slap to all the critics but thats what everybody wants in reality.....
Yes. amazing list. Kobe placed in Jordan's shoes (drafted in '84 to the Bulls), I believe, would have accomplished all those feats and probably even surpassed them. I believe Kobe, even now, has a good chance to accomplish more than Jordan did...Like you said, it's all a matter of opinion. The thing that bothers me is that you sound like you have more love for Jordan than you do for Kobe, and you probably do, but the true Laker fans I've met hate Jordan, especially when he used to beat us back in the early 90's, with the hand-switching lay-ups and what not. Don't get me wrong, we all respect Jordan, but as a Laker fan, you should gear your optimism towards Kobe leading the Lakers to many championships in the future and maybe one day surpassing Jordan...Know what I'm saying?
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By John Celestand
John Celestand the former Laker player? Damn he's a really funny guy, i've met him a couple of times when he played here in Italy for Bologna. Pretty nice article, i didn't know he was so good.
Yup...Very good writer, a lot better at writing than playing, that's for sure...LOL
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“’Melo was incredible, 13-for-16? Players just don’t do that in this league anymore, and he does,” Karl said.
But players score 81 points in a game all the time right? ???
I can't even begin to explain how stupd a logic that is.
LMAO, seriously. If you listened to the interview, it seemed like he was tryna keep the focus on Anthony and the game, and not answer questions only about Kobe right after they won...Regradless of the reason, he definitely should have gave Kobe a litttttle more credit than he did...
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By John Celestand
John Celestand the former Laker player? Damn he's a really funny guy, i've met him a couple of times when he played here in Italy for Bologna. Pretty nice article, i didn't know he was so good.
Yup...Very good writer, a lot better at writing than playing, that's for sure...LOL
LOL
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Finally i’ve watched the game. Well, it was been the most incredible performance i’ve ever seen by an NBA player. Period. It’s not only the fact he scored 81 points, it’s how he scored them. He had a pretty good game in the first half, but still the Lakers were struggling and loosing. At home. Once again. Against a supposed-to-be-wack team. So he took the team over his shoulders in the second half, and he started to make the shots his teammates werent making. He scored 27 and 28 points in 2 quarters, litterally winning the game alone and outscoring the Raptors by himself. Impressive performance, and impressive “message” sent to the rest of the League. Way better than the one he sent by elbowing Miller (remember the post-game press conference?). That’s the Kobe i admire, and that’s the player who can get his first MVP throphy.
About the Jordan vs Bryant thing.. Don't get me wrong: i admire Michael Jordan, and i think he's truly a living legend, probably the 2nd best NBA player ever. But i really don't get it when you try to make it looks like if he was unselfish, or perfect. Jordan has led the NBA in field goals attemped for 10 seasons, a record. He has a career average of 22.8 field goals attemps per game against Kobe's 17.8 (it's 25.1 in the Playoff). In the 1987-88 season, he made 2279 shots: only Chamberlain in NBA history has shot more than him in a season. He shot 49 times against Orlando in 1992 (he was almost 30, so pretty mature both phisically and menthally). What i mean is that i understand that you guys remember Jordan for the last 3 season, where he menthally dominated the game, but please don't make it looks like he was a robot, or an UFO. He was a scorer. And i'm sure he dreamed about an 81-points game too. So many times.
So true...
i can bet that if shaq wasnt there for his whole career besides these past two seasons that kobes FG attempts would be WAY HIGHER!... there just isnt a comparison they are both there own players.... and so far jordan is the better player kobe still in the league so everyone has to wait til its all said and done.... and kobe needs to earn those championships as the leader of the team before you can start comparing...... get some league MVP's and Finals MVP's and a few more things before it can even be considered... two different players even tho they got similar playing styles
I bet I bet I bet...You were the one who made that dumbass comment that Kobe wasn't up there on Larry Bird's level. You're too much of a Laker fan to be a Jordan dick-rider, and I wouldn't wanna say it the other way around. Bottom line is, Kobe is the closest thing we've seen to Jordan, and if he doesn't surpass Jordan by the time it's all said and done, I'd honestly be surprised...It seems to me like you don't want him surpassing Jordan or something, or as if you think it'd be blasphemy to mention them in the same sentence...As a Laker fan, you should hope that Kobe can one day exceed Jordan's level of play, and let me tell you something, he's not that far away...
lol... always hahha you are halarious man... you need to relax sometimes sound like you always mad and streesed out......but anyway its all a matter of opinion and your too fixed on yours is always right when it comes to Kobe and laker shit ...but its all good because thats your opinion.... i agreed he is a great player plenty of times... but comparing shit like FG attempts and shit like that is all based on a shit load of Variables and Shaq being on your team for your whole career is a HUGE variable.... i hope he proves that he can win some championships... cause that means the lakers win championships but what i do disagree on is on your comment that states "he's not that far away" its all a matter of opinion there is a long list of accomplishments he has to surpass than just 81 point game... dont get me wrong thats fuckin amazing but there is a list of accomplishments that jordan has that will put Kobe's to shame "right now" and thats why i said you must all wait til its all said and done because as of right now i just dont see it happening but hes gettin there and thats great....
http://www.nba.com/jordan/list_honors.html
Michael Jordan's Honors
NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time Team (1996)
Member of six NBA championship teams (1991-93, 1996-98)
Five-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991-92, 1996, 1998)
Six-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player (1991-93, 1996-98)
Ten-time All-NBA First Team (1987-93, 1996-98)
All-NBA Second team (1985)
Nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team (1987-93, 1996-98)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
NBA All-Rookie Team (1985)
Two-time IBM Award winner, for all-around contribution to team's success (1985, 1989)
Three-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
Participated in 11 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-98), starting 10 times, and missed another due to injury
Holds the NBA All-Star Game career record for highest scoring average (21.3 ppg)
Recorded only triple-double in All-Star Game history, with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists, in the 1997 NBA All-Star Game in Cleveland
Won the Nestle Crunch Slam Dunk in 1987 and 1988, also participating in 1985
Passed Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to become the NBA's all-time leading playoff scorer (5,762 points) during the 1998 Eastern Conference Finals
Passed Dennis Johnson into fourth place on the NBA's all-time playoff assists list (1,006), in an 88-83 victory over the Indiana Pacers in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals in 1997-98
Scored his 29,000th career point, posting a game-high 41 points, 6 rebounds and 4 assists, in a 107-93 win over the Minnesota Timberwolves on 4/3
Broke Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's NBA record by scoring in double-digits for the 788th consecutive game, scoring a game-high 33 points, against the Minnesota Timberwolves on 12/30/97
Scored a career-high 69 points in a 117-113 overtime win at Cleveland on 3/28/90
Chicago Bulls all-time leader in scoring (29,277 points), assists (5,012) and steals (2,306)
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading league in scoring -- 10; highest points per game average (minimum 400 games or 10,000 points) -- 31.5; most seasons leading league in field goals made -- 10; and most seasons leading league in field goals attempted -- 10
Shares the NBA career record for most seasons with 2,000 or more points -- 11; and most consecutive seasons leading league in scoring --7 (1986-87 through 1992-93)
Holds single-game records for most free throws made in one half -- 20 (December 30, 1992, at Miami); and most free-throws attempted in one half -- 23 (December 30, 1992, at Miami)
Shares single-game records for most free throws made in one quarter -- 14 (December 30, 1992, at Miami); and most free-throws attempted in one quarter -- 16 (December 30, 1992, at Miami)
Holds the NBA Finals record for highest single-series scoring average -- 41.0 ppg (1993)
Holds NBA Finals record for most three-point field goals made -- 42; and most consecutive games with 20 or more points -- 35 (June 2, 1991-June 14, 1998)
Holds the NBA Finals single-game record for most points in one half -- 35 (June 3, 1992 vs. Portland)
Shares NBA Finals single-game records for most field goals made in one half -- 14; and most three-point field goals made in one half -- 6 (June 3, 1992, vs. Portland); most free throws made in one quarter -- 9 (June 11, 1997 vs. Utah); and most free throws attempted in one half -- 15 (June 4, 1997, vs. Utah)
Holds the NBA Playoffs record for most points -- 5,987; highest points-per-game average (minimum 25 games or 625 points) -- 33.4 ppg; most field goals attempted -- 4,497; most free throws made -- 1,463; most free throws attempted -- 1,766; and most steals -- 376
Scored a career playoff-high 63 points against the Boston Celtics on 4/20/86, setting an NBA record for most points in a playoff game
Holds single-game playoff records for most free throws made in one quarter -- 13; and most free throws attempted in one quarter -- 14 (May 21, 1991, vs. Detroit)
Shares single-game playoff records for most field goals made -- 24 (May 1, 1998, vs. Cleveland); most field goals attempted in one half -- 25 (May 1, 1988, vs. Cleveland); and most three-point field goals made in one half -- 6 (June 6, 1992, vs. Portland)
Recorded two playoff career triple-doubles, both against the New York Knicks (May 9, 1989 and June 2, 1993)
Notched 28th career triple-doubles, the last being a 30 point, 11 rebound and 10 assist effort against the Toronto Raptors on 4/14/97
Member of the gold-medal-winning U.S. Olympic team (1984, 1992)
As a freshman at the University of North Carolina, hit the game-winning shot in the 1982 NCAA Championship game
Named College Player of the Year by The Sporting News in both 1983 and 1984 and won the Naismith and Wooden Awards in 1984
thats the list and its freakin amazing ... im not saying he has to beat all these things cause there are just some that he cant...lol... like College shit... but its quite a list.... kobe is inching at it ... the most important for me would be for him to win a championship... that will totally change my mind about him.... and i think its bound ot happen in the next few years.... and i hope to see that day.... but he needs to do it first he obviously has the potential but i want to see him lead his team to a championship.... that is going to be the ultimate bitch slap to all the critics but thats what everybody wants in reality.....
Yes. amazing list. Kobe placed in Jordan's shoes (drafted in '84 to the Bulls), I believe, would have accomplished all those feats and probably even surpassed them. I believe Kobe, even now, has a good chance to accomplish more than Jordan did...Like you said, it's all a matter of opinion. The thing that bothers me is that you sound like you have more love for Jordan than you do for Kobe, and you probably do, but the true Laker fans I've met hate Jordan, especially when he used to beat us back in the early 90's, with the hand-switching lay-ups and what not. Don't get me wrong, we all respect Jordan, but as a Laker fan, you should gear your optimism towards Kobe leading the Lakers to many championships in the future and maybe one day surpassing Jordan...Know what I'm saying?
i do have more love for jordan but i do know what you are saying .... i just loved watching that guy... and maybe its just because i was a kid at the time.... and that shit was just nuts.... but i totally know what you saying.... i dont hope anything tho i just hope he gets us a few more championships.... he is not one of my favorite players that whole break up shit left a sour taste in my mouth but that alone is a whole other topic... so we wont go there... but i sure kobe gets the lakers some more championships we just need a few more keys to the puzzle and its not just players its how kobe plays... but if he finds the right people to gain confidence in then is when he will really shine.... but i know what you are saying i just like jordan better plain and simple and of course im going to defend him as much as you defend kobe its all a matter of opinion.... and i will be one to admit that he is the better player (when/if) he does surpass The almight jordan ;D
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Finally i’ve watched the game. Well, it was been the most incredible performance i’ve ever seen by an NBA player. Period. It’s not only the fact he scored 81 points, it’s how he scored them. He had a pretty good game in the first half, but still the Lakers were struggling and loosing. At home. Once again. Against a supposed-to-be-wack team. So he took the team over his shoulders in the second half, and he started to make the shots his teammates werent making. He scored 27 and 28 points in 2 quarters, litterally winning the game alone and outscoring the Raptors by himself. Impressive performance, and impressive “message” sent to the rest of the League. Way better than the one he sent by elbowing Miller (remember the post-game press conference?). That’s the Kobe i admire, and that’s the player who can get his first MVP throphy.
About the Jordan vs Bryant thing.. Don't get me wrong: i admire Michael Jordan, and i think he's truly a living legend, probably the 2nd best NBA player ever. But i really don't get it when you try to make it looks like if he was unselfish, or perfect. Jordan has led the NBA in field goals attemped for 10 seasons, a record. He has a career average of 22.8 field goals attemps per game against Kobe's 17.8 (it's 25.1 in the Playoff). In the 1987-88 season, he made 2279 shots: only Chamberlain in NBA history has shot more than him in a season. He shot 49 times against Orlando in 1992 (he was almost 30, so pretty mature both phisically and menthally). What i mean is that i understand that you guys remember Jordan for the last 3 season, where he menthally dominated the game, but please don't make it looks like he was a robot, or an UFO. He was a scorer. And i'm sure he dreamed about an 81-points game too. So many times.
So true...
i can bet that if shaq wasnt there for his whole career besides these past two seasons that kobes FG attempts would be WAY HIGHER!... there just isnt a comparison they are both there own players.... and so far jordan is the better player kobe still in the league so everyone has to wait til its all said and done.... and kobe needs to earn those championships as the leader of the team before you can start comparing...... get some league MVP's and Finals MVP's and a few more things before it can even be considered... two different players even tho they got similar playing styles
I bet I bet I bet...You were the one who made that dumbass comment that Kobe wasn't up there on Larry Bird's level. You're too much of a Laker fan to be a Jordan dick-rider, and I wouldn't wanna say it the other way around. Bottom line is, Kobe is the closest thing we've seen to Jordan, and if he doesn't surpass Jordan by the time it's all said and done, I'd honestly be surprised...It seems to me like you don't want him surpassing Jordan or something, or as if you think it'd be blasphemy to mention them in the same sentence...As a Laker fan, you should hope that Kobe can one day exceed Jordan's level of play, and let me tell you something, he's not that far away...
lol... always hahha you are halarious man... you need to relax sometimes sound like you always mad and streesed out......but anyway its all a matter of opinion and your too fixed on yours is always right when it comes to Kobe and laker shit ...but its all good because thats your opinion.... i agreed he is a great player plenty of times... but comparing shit like FG attempts and shit like that is all based on a shit load of Variables and Shaq being on your team for your whole career is a HUGE variable.... i hope he proves that he can win some championships... cause that means the lakers win championships but what i do disagree on is on your comment that states "he's not that far away" its all a matter of opinion there is a long list of accomplishments he has to surpass than just 81 point game... dont get me wrong thats fuckin amazing but there is a list of accomplishments that jordan has that will put Kobe's to shame "right now" and thats why i said you must all wait til its all said and done because as of right now i just dont see it happening but hes gettin there and thats great....
http://www.nba.com/jordan/list_honors.html
Michael Jordan's Honors
NBA 50th Anniversary All-Time Team (1996)
Member of six NBA championship teams (1991-93, 1996-98)
Five-time NBA Most Valuable Player (1988, 1991-92, 1996, 1998)
Six-time NBA Finals Most Valuable Player (1991-93, 1996-98)
Ten-time All-NBA First Team (1987-93, 1996-98)
All-NBA Second team (1985)
Nine-time NBA All-Defensive First Team (1987-93, 1996-98)
NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1988)
NBA Rookie of the Year (1985)
NBA All-Rookie Team (1985)
Two-time IBM Award winner, for all-around contribution to team's success (1985, 1989)
Three-time NBA All-Star Game MVP (1988, 1996, 1998)
Participated in 11 NBA All-Star Games (1985, 1987-1993, 1996-98), starting 10 times, and missed another due to injury
Holds the NBA All-Star Game career record for highest scoring average (21.3 ppg)
Recorded only triple-double in All-Star Game history, with 14 points, 11 rebounds and 11 assists, in the 1997 NBA All-Star Game in Cleveland
Won the Nestle Crunch Slam Dunk in 1987 and 1988, also participating in 1985
Passed Kareem Abdul-Jabbar to become the NBA's all-time leading playoff scorer (5,762 points) during the 1998 Eastern Conference Finals
Passed Dennis Johnson into fourth place on the NBA's all-time playoff assists list (1,006), in an 88-83 victory over the Indiana Pacers in Game 7 of the Eastern Conference Finals in 1997-98
Scored his 29,000th career point, posting a game-high 41 points, 6 rebounds and 4 assists, in a 107-93 win over the Minnesota Timberwolves on 4/3
Broke Kareem Abdul-Jabbar's NBA record by scoring in double-digits for the 788th consecutive game, scoring a game-high 33 points, against the Minnesota Timberwolves on 12/30/97
Scored a career-high 69 points in a 117-113 overtime win at Cleveland on 3/28/90
Chicago Bulls all-time leader in scoring (29,277 points), assists (5,012) and steals (2,306)
Holds the NBA record for most seasons leading league in scoring -- 10; highest points per game average (minimum 400 games or 10,000 points) -- 31.5; most seasons leading league in field goals made -- 10; and most seasons leading league in field goals attempted -- 10
Shares the NBA career record for most seasons with 2,000 or more points -- 11; and most consecutive seasons leading league in scoring --7 (1986-87 through 1992-93)
Holds single-game records for most free throws made in one half -- 20 (December 30, 1992, at Miami); and most free-throws attempted in one half -- 23 (December 30, 1992, at Miami)
Shares single-game records for most free throws made in one quarter -- 14 (December 30, 1992, at Miami); and most free-throws attempted in one quarter -- 16 (December 30, 1992, at Miami)
Holds the NBA Finals record for highest single-series scoring average -- 41.0 ppg (1993)
Holds NBA Finals record for most three-point field goals made -- 42; and most consecutive games with 20 or more points -- 35 (June 2, 1991-June 14, 1998)
Holds the NBA Finals single-game record for most points in one half -- 35 (June 3, 1992 vs. Portland)
Shares NBA Finals single-game records for most field goals made in one half -- 14; and most three-point field goals made in one half -- 6 (June 3, 1992, vs. Portland); most free throws made in one quarter -- 9 (June 11, 1997 vs. Utah); and most free throws attempted in one half -- 15 (June 4, 1997, vs. Utah)
Holds the NBA Playoffs record for most points -- 5,987; highest points-per-game average (minimum 25 games or 625 points) -- 33.4 ppg; most field goals attempted -- 4,497; most free throws made -- 1,463; most free throws attempted -- 1,766; and most steals -- 376
Scored a career playoff-high 63 points against the Boston Celtics on 4/20/86, setting an NBA record for most points in a playoff game
Holds single-game playoff records for most free throws made in one quarter -- 13; and most free throws attempted in one quarter -- 14 (May 21, 1991, vs. Detroit)
Shares single-game playoff records for most field goals made -- 24 (May 1, 1998, vs. Cleveland); most field goals attempted in one half -- 25 (May 1, 1988, vs. Cleveland); and most three-point field goals made in one half -- 6 (June 6, 1992, vs. Portland)
Recorded two playoff career triple-doubles, both against the New York Knicks (May 9, 1989 and June 2, 1993)
Notched 28th career triple-doubles, the last being a 30 point, 11 rebound and 10 assist effort against the Toronto Raptors on 4/14/97
Member of the gold-medal-winning U.S. Olympic team (1984, 1992)
As a freshman at the University of North Carolina, hit the game-winning shot in the 1982 NCAA Championship game
Named College Player of the Year by The Sporting News in both 1983 and 1984 and won the Naismith and Wooden Awards in 1984
thats the list and its freakin amazing ... im not saying he has to beat all these things cause there are just some that he cant...lol... like College shit... but its quite a list.... kobe is inching at it ... the most important for me would be for him to win a championship... that will totally change my mind about him.... and i think its bound ot happen in the next few years.... and i hope to see that day.... but he needs to do it first he obviously has the potential but i want to see him lead his team to a championship.... that is going to be the ultimate bitch slap to all the critics but thats what everybody wants in reality.....
Yes. amazing list. Kobe placed in Jordan's shoes (drafted in '84 to the Bulls), I believe, would have accomplished all those feats and probably even surpassed them. I believe Kobe, even now, has a good chance to accomplish more than Jordan did...Like you said, it's all a matter of opinion. The thing that bothers me is that you sound like you have more love for Jordan than you do for Kobe, and you probably do, but the true Laker fans I've met hate Jordan, especially when he used to beat us back in the early 90's, with the hand-switching lay-ups and what not. Don't get me wrong, we all respect Jordan, but as a Laker fan, you should gear your optimism towards Kobe leading the Lakers to many championships in the future and maybe one day surpassing Jordan...Know what I'm saying?
i do have more love for jordan but i do know what you are saying .... i just loved watching that guy... and maybe its just because i was a kid at the time.... and that shit was just nuts.... but i totally know what you saying.... i dont hope anything tho i just hope he gets us a few more championships.... he is not one of my favorite players that whole break up shit left a sour taste in my mouth but that alone is a whole other topic... so we wont go there... but i sure kobe gets the lakers some more championships we just need a few more keys to the puzzle and its not just players its how kobe plays... but if he finds the right people to gain confidence in then is when he will really shine.... but i know what you are saying i just like jordan better plain and simple and of course im going to defend him as much as you defend kobe its all a matter of opinion.... and i will be one to admit that he is the better player (when/if) he does surpass The almight jordan ;D
It's cool that we are on the same page and that you didn't have to resort to name-calling and self-defense when I spoke on your Kobe/Laker-fan status...you're a cool poster, especially for someone who disagrees with me about many things basketball wise...Like I said when people were saying LeBron would surpass Kobe...Only the future will tell.
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Is anyone else concerned about the long term effects of this game?
If Kobe dominates the ball so much, how can our other players develop their games, specifically Odom and Kwame? I don't like the trend of our players standing around watching Kobe shoot over a double team. Yeah, lately he's hit some of those shots, but Kobe's teammates defer to Kobe way too much. This needs to change if the Lakers are to have any long term success.
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Like I said when people were saying LeBron would surpass Kobe...Only the future will tell.
Exactly....is it going to happen? maybe...maybe not...for ppl that side too much with one person think about this....thats good if you have a player that you think is the best....but i mean i'm a big fan of both lebron and kobe....both great players...is kobe better than lebron currently? simply yes...no explanation needed...look at the experience..performances
now will lebron surprass kobe..maybe even one day get more than 81 pts? .i dont know...but thats gonna he hard as hell and QUITE a damn accomplishment
myself personally.. I see lebron might have the potential to do this..am i right? i dont know...in a couple years we will see..for now hes still gotta progress and move on to higher levels as times passes by.....
btw..big ass props to kobe...amazing performance..i was in shock with those numbers...then again if anyone was to do it in this current time era, then it'd be kobe...im surprised that he got so many points..but not that surprised that kobe did it....
and lol @ as soon as someone posts this..someone does a lebron comment....or vice versa about james....
this thread is about kobe for now....to give him props for what he accomplished...
not to just say "lebron cant do this"....this is about kobe..and god damn lol 81 points...
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Is anyone else concerned about the long term effects of this game?
If Kobe dominates the ball so much, how can our other players develop their games, specifically Odom and Kwame? I don't like the trend of our players standing around watching Kobe shoot over a double team. Yeah, lately he's hit some of those shots, but Kobe's teammates defer to Kobe way too much. This needs to change if the Lakers are to have any long term success.
Let's be honest: Odom had just 8 points not because Kobe didn't give him the ball, but because he passed it to Kobe watching him.
This team is just made of players like Brown and Odom who doesn't like to shoot the ball and who likes to give the ball to Kobe.
Put Cedric Ceballos (lol) in this team and he could make 20 shots per game easly.
It's just that Odom is fine working hard on defense and handling the ball.
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Is anyone else concerned about the long term effects of this game?
If Kobe dominates the ball so much, how can our other players develop their games, specifically Odom and Kwame? I don't like the trend of our players standing around watching Kobe shoot over a double team. Yeah, lately he's hit some of those shots, but Kobe's teammates defer to Kobe way too much. This needs to change if the Lakers are to have any long term success.
With Kobe playing this good, the other players are expected less of...It takes a lot of pressure off them. I think long-term wise, this will be good. I know they're all currently thinking about how to contribute offensively, especially after being outscored by Kobe 81-43. The shots just need to fall...It's like sometimes they do and sometimes they don't. The other Lakers need to build efficiency, because when they do play, they're great...Sometimes they count on Kobe to bail them out though. I'd prefer to see the whole team play amazing, but this was simply awesome...
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Is anyone else concerned about the long term effects of this game?
If Kobe dominates the ball so much, how can our other players develop their games, specifically Odom and Kwame? I don't like the trend of our players standing around watching Kobe shoot over a double team. Yeah, lately he's hit some of those shots, but Kobe's teammates defer to Kobe way too much. This needs to change if the Lakers are to have any long term success.
Let's be honest: Odom had just 8 points not because Kobe didn't give him the ball, but because he passed it to Kobe watching him.
This team is just made of players like Brown and Odom who doesn't like to shoot the ball and who likes to give the ball to Kobe.
Put Cedric Ceballos (lol) in this team and he could make 20 shots per game easly.
It's just that Odom is fine working hard on defense and handling the ball.
Yea, I've come to accept that Odom will never be primarily about offensive aggression, but more about understanding the spots on the floor and setting others up...I think Bynum and Wafer are gunna be offensive threats for us in years to come. For now, Kobe is the primary offense in the triangle...Defensively, I'm extremely proud of all the Lakers though...
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Is anyone else concerned about the long term effects of this game?
If Kobe dominates the ball so much, how can our other players develop their games, specifically Odom and Kwame? I don't like the trend of our players standing around watching Kobe shoot over a double team. Yeah, lately he's hit some of those shots, but Kobe's teammates defer to Kobe way too much. This needs to change if the Lakers are to have any long term success.
Let's be honest: Odom had just 8 points not because Kobe didn't give him the ball, but because he passed it to Kobe watching him.
This team is just made of players like Brown and Odom who doesn't like to shoot the ball and who likes to give the ball to Kobe.
Put Cedric Ceballos (lol) in this team and he could make 20 shots per game easly.
It's just that Odom is fine working hard on defense and handling the ball.
Yea, I've come to accept that Odom will never be primarily about offensive aggression, but more about understanding the spots on the floor and setting others up...I think Bynum and Wafer are gunna be offensive threats for us in years to come. For now, Kobe is the primary offense in the triangle...Defensively, I'm extremely proud of all the Lakers though...
Yeah, defensively both Brown and Odom are playing very well.
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Is anyone else concerned about the long term effects of this game?
If Kobe dominates the ball so much, how can our other players develop their games, specifically Odom and Kwame? I don't like the trend of our players standing around watching Kobe shoot over a double team. Yeah, lately he's hit some of those shots, but Kobe's teammates defer to Kobe way too much. This needs to change if the Lakers are to have any long term success.
exactly!
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Kobe Bryant: 28-46
Rest of Lakers: 14-42
What does that tell you? Kobe's offense was more potent that game, extremely more potent, so he was the primary offense, and being that, he SLAUGHTERED the Raptors. It's not like Odom hasn't had a bunch of huge games this season...I've seen a lot of good things about Kwame and Mihm this past month as well...And how can we forget some of those great games Smush won for us? Shit, even Cook, Sasha, and George came big in a few games. Come on Laker fans, lets not let Kobe's greatness blind us and make us think everyone around him is weak and doesn't get a chance to show what they've got...Give Phil Jackson's plan a chance, I believe this team will do just fine...PeACe
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Kobe Bryant: 28-46
Rest of Lakers: 14-42
What does that tell you? Kobe's offense was more potent that game, extremely more potent, so he was the primary offense, and being that, he SLAUGHTERED the Raptors. It's not like Odom hasn't had a bunch of huge games this season...I've seen a lot of good things about Kwame and Mihm this past month as well...And how can we forget some of those great games Smush won for us? Shit, even Cook, Sasha, and George came big in a few games. Come on Laker fans, lets not let Kobe's greatness blind us and make us think everyone around him is weak and doesn't get a chance to show what they've got...Give Phil Jackson's plan a chance, I believe this team will do just fine...PeACe
That's the thing though. Last Sunday, he was on, and made everything he threw up. Remember the stretch of games when he was going 12/36 and the Lakers were losing? We can't count on Kobe scoring 50 plus every game.
The concern I have is that the guys defer to Kobe way too much. I remember a play where kobe was on the wing on the right hand side, Lamar had the ball at the top of the key and he tried to force a pass to Kobe while he was being double-teamed without the ball. Turnover. Lamar should have just taken a couple of steps in and shot a 15 footer or passed it inside to a big man. Those of the things I'm talking about. Also, we've all seen Kobe shoot that fadeaway when he's drifting out of bounds with defenders all over him. Why isn't anyone moving without the ball and making a cut to the basket? These type of things happen way too often.
Kobe is doing what he needs to do to win games and that's fine, but the other guys need to step up and not depend on Kobe to bail them out. Also, Kobe needs to use his teammates more, even if they screw up. Besides success comes after initial failure. The last thing I want to see is Kobe getting hurt by overextending himself. He needs to rely on his teammates and his teammates need to step up in order for the Lakers to have any long term success.
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Kobe Bryant: 28-46
Rest of Lakers: 14-42
What does that tell you? Kobe's offense was more potent that game, extremely more potent, so he was the primary offense, and being that, he SLAUGHTERED the Raptors. It's not like Odom hasn't had a bunch of huge games this season...I've seen a lot of good things about Kwame and Mihm this past month as well...And how can we forget some of those great games Smush won for us? Shit, even Cook, Sasha, and George came big in a few games. Come on Laker fans, lets not let Kobe's greatness blind us and make us think everyone around him is weak and doesn't get a chance to show what they've got...Give Phil Jackson's plan a chance, I believe this team will do just fine...PeACe
That's the thing though. Last Sunday, he was on, and made everything he threw up. Remember the stretch of games when he was going 12/36 and the Lakers were losing? We can't count on Kobe scoring 50 plus every game.
The concern I have is that the guys defer to Kobe way too much. I remember a play where kobe was on the wing on the right hand side, Lamar had the ball at the top of the key and he tried to force a pass to Kobe while he was being double-teamed without the ball. Turnover. Lamar should have just taken a couple of steps in and shot a 15 footer or passed it inside to a big man. Those of the things I'm talking about. Also, we've all seen Kobe shoot that fadeaway when he's drifting out of bounds with defenders all over him. Why isn't anyone moving without the ball and making a cut to the basket? These type of things happen way too often.
Kobe is doing what he needs to do to win games and that's fine, but the other guys need to step up and not depend on Kobe to bail them out. Also, Kobe needs to use his teammates more, even if they screw up. Besides success comes after initial failure. The last thing I want to see is Kobe getting hurt by overextending himself. He needs to rely on his teammates and his teammates need to step up in order for the Lakers to have any long term success.
The point is that sometimes, you're right, the rest of the team is not flowing, but a lot of times this season, I've seen all the players flow together and it looked GREAT. I'm just saying that come playoff times, I think they'll have it down well enough to perform at a high level together EVERY night...Kobe will average less points in the playoffs, I bet you anything...PeACe
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Kobe Bryant: 28-46
Rest of Lakers: 14-42
What does that tell you? Kobe's offense was more potent that game, extremely more potent, so he was the primary offense, and being that, he SLAUGHTERED the Raptors. It's not like Odom hasn't had a bunch of huge games this season...I've seen a lot of good things about Kwame and Mihm this past month as well...And how can we forget some of those great games Smush won for us? Shit, even Cook, Sasha, and George came big in a few games. Come on Laker fans, lets not let Kobe's greatness blind us and make us think everyone around him is weak and doesn't get a chance to show what they've got...Give Phil Jackson's plan a chance, I believe this team will do just fine...PeACe
That's the thing though. Last Sunday, he was on, and made everything he threw up. Remember the stretch of games when he was going 12/36 and the Lakers were losing? We can't count on Kobe scoring 50 plus every game.
The concern I have is that the guys defer to Kobe way too much. I remember a play where kobe was on the wing on the right hand side, Lamar had the ball at the top of the key and he tried to force a pass to Kobe while he was being double-teamed without the ball. Turnover. Lamar should have just taken a couple of steps in and shot a 15 footer or passed it inside to a big man. Those of the things I'm talking about. Also, we've all seen Kobe shoot that fadeaway when he's drifting out of bounds with defenders all over him. Why isn't anyone moving without the ball and making a cut to the basket? These type of things happen way too often.
Kobe is doing what he needs to do to win games and that's fine, but the other guys need to step up and not depend on Kobe to bail them out. Also, Kobe needs to use his teammates more, even if they screw up. Besides success comes after initial failure. The last thing I want to see is Kobe getting hurt by overextending himself. He needs to rely on his teammates and his teammates need to step up in order for the Lakers to have any long term success.
The point is that sometimes, you're right, the rest of the team is not flowing, but a lot of times this season, I've seen all the players flow together and it looked GREAT. I'm just saying that come playoff times, I think they'll have it down well enough to perform at a high level together EVERY night...Kobe will average less points in the playoffs, I bet you anything...PeACe
I like your optimism. I hope you're right. There's been growth in the games of Kwame and Mihm, and I want to see that continue. We'll see come playoff time.
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The Lakers are a STRONG PLAYOFF TEAM??? The Lakers are the biggest one man show i've ever seen. Watch the Pistons, Spurs, Suns - those are the epitome of strong playoff teams. Kobe is an amazing athlete, but the Lakers are not a strong playoff team.
Having said that, I still don't like Kobe. Yes he is a phenomenal athelete - incredible shooter, slasher, free throw shooter. You can't knock on his offensive skills unless you are a hater. He IS a ball hog, and wants nothing more than for the Lakers to be a one man show.
I think in 20 years, people will probably remember Kobe most for his 81 points, and not for his rings. And I think that's what he would prefer to be remembered for.
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The Lakers are a STRONG PLAYOFF TEAM??? The Lakers are the biggest one man show i've ever seen. Watch the Pistons, Spurs, Suns - those are the epitome of strong playoff teams. Kobe is an amazing athlete, but the Lakers are not a strong playoff team.
Having said that, I still don't like Kobe. Yes he is a phenomenal athelete - incredible shooter, slasher, free throw shooter. You can't knock on his offensive skills unless you are a hater. He IS a ball hog, and wants nothing more than for the Lakers to be a one man show.
I think in 20 years, people will probably remember Kobe most for his 81 points, and not for his rings. And I think that's what he would prefer to be remembered for.
Wow. You can almost rival E-Crazy for biggest retard ever. Especially that last comment, that shit was straight ridiculous... :-X
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for all you laker fans i hate to say this but the LAKERS ARE NOT A GOOD TEAM! we all know that kobe is a great talent but to say they will be a good playoff team is straight up ridiculous. lets face it kobe can't run the triangle offense and make other players around him great like um......Jordan. kobe will probably be remembered for running Shaq, the most dominate player we have ever seen, out of L.A.
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The Lakers are a STRONG PLAYOFF TEAM??? The Lakers are the biggest one man show i've ever seen. Watch the Pistons, Spurs, Suns - those are the epitome of strong playoff teams. Kobe is an amazing athlete, but the Lakers are not a strong playoff team.
Having said that, I still don't like Kobe. Yes he is a phenomenal athelete - incredible shooter, slasher, free throw shooter. You can't knock on his offensive skills unless you are a hater. He IS a ball hog, and wants nothing more than for the Lakers to be a one man show.
I think in 20 years, people will probably remember Kobe most for his 81 points, and not for his rings. And I think that's what he would prefer to be remembered for.
Wow. You can almost rival E-Crazy for biggest retard ever. Especially that last comment, that shit was straight ridiculous... :-X
How about not resorting to name calling and argue my points? Its funny that you call me a retard, yet you're the one that said the Lakers were a strong playoff team. You played yourself. Don't be mad at me for pointing it out.
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Look at this , hilarious but weird ;D http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8756134697&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWA%3AIT&rd=1
What was it?
it's some glass container filled with underground water. The seller claiming it's the kobe's 81 points in liquid form. :sign_werd:
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Scottie Pippen
Can't Compare Kobe and MJ
The eras in which they played are completely different
Kobe Bryant's 81-point performance the other night against Toronto was certainly incredible, but it is unfair to try and compare what Kobe did to what Michael Jordan did in his playing career or what he could have done for that matter.
In the era when Michael played, it was a physical game. Defense was promoted. Guys took pride in it. Today defense is no longer a part of the game. Guys are driving to the basket. There are rules where you can't step in front of them. To me, it is taking away from the game seeing a guy like Tony Parker taking advantage of the rules. He is shooting 55 percent from the field. That says something about the game itself. In the history of the NBA, I'm sure a point guard has never led the league in field goal percentage. It's a different game now. It's really not about being tough and physical because the NBA isn't a physical game anymore. When you talk about how the Knicks and Bulls used to battle in the early '90s, the Oakleys, and Pat Ewings, the Masons, and how they would have the ability to use their hands to put you in a trap position. There is no way you can even triple team a guy now and stop him. Any contact is a foul. I can't compare the two players because I see it as two different games. If I'm guarding Kobe Bryant in today's game, I couldn't be the defender I was known as.
The defensive rules, the hand checking, the ability to make contact on a guy in certain areas, the ability to come over in the lane to stop guys from getting to the basket, that's all been taken away from the game. There is no contact up on the floor. The way I played Magic Johnson in the '91 Finals, I would have fouled out the first time down court. To compare how someone would have played Michael Jordan, Chuck Daly would send someone to wear him down. Even though he may get 30 or 40 points, they're going to be a hard 30 points. But in today's game, you can't put that physical wear and tear on a guy. It's a free ball type of game. If you are shooting it well, you can score 80, as you've seen because you are going to get to the foul line.
Officials have very quick whistles now because they're promoting scoring. Let's not forget, three years ago, this league was trying to figure out how they could get the scoring back up, how they could drive the fans back into loving the game, and this is what they were building on. They changed the field of rules. Those rules are huge in the game today. They benefit the perimeter guy. Back in the day, you may get one guy to score 40 points in a month. When Michael Jordan scored 40, it was all over the front page of a newspaper. Now you can pretty much have 40 points at halftime. Until the league went and changed the rules and tried to get some of that bully ball out, you couldn't come out and perform like that every night. The game was too physical. You were too sore the next day and you were just tired and physically worn down. The game seems so fun and free now. Guys are making a living just standing out there shooting jumpers.
If you want to say that Kobe could get 100, I would say that Michael could get 100. If Kobe could get 81, I think Michael could get 100 in today's game. I think the psychological style that Michael was able to master in the game, puts him far beyond Kobe. But Kobe's youthfulness has put him in a position where it looks like he is overtaking Michael. Kobe has 10 years in this league. That is a lot of experience to have and still be a very youthful player.
I would love to see what would have happened the other night if the rules had been the same as in past years. Kobe is as close to being like Mike as anybody, but you can't make the comparisons anymore. Tracy McGrady can probably, from a numbers standpoint, put up the numbers Michael Jordan put up. He has that type of ability. Dirk Nowitzki can put up those kinds of numbers. The game is built for those guys to put those shots up. If they get touched, they get to the foul line. I would say Kobe is the most polished of all of them as far as being able to handle the ball and create his own shot and opportunity. But this is what the game is going to turn into. Guys are going to start to score 40 points regularly. It may become an average.
I don't think Kobe will get 100. What he did is what like Wilt did, a once in a lifetime experience. Given the fact that he shot a heck of a percentage it could have been better, but I don't think he still could have gotten to 100. It would almost have to be perfect and the game would have to go to overtime. I think a lot of things would have to come into play for him to get that.
With that said, I am sure Phil doesn't want to coach that type of game. It's not his style. I don't expect it to happen again. Phil will probably do everything in his power to make sure it doesn't. I don't think Phil is going to try to promote what Kobe has done more than anything because he has damaged his whole team. You just scored 81 points. Do you need your teammates? Are they going to step up when you need them or are you going to continue to pound them like you've been doing and be selfish just to get some individual accolades?
From a leadership perspective I think Kobe has taken a step back. Look at what he has to live up to now. You just scored 81 points. If you scored 81 points, your team should pretty much go out and win at least 75 percent of their games the rest of the year. Is that fair to say? You just compared yourself to Wilt. Can you go out with your team and do that or are you just going to go out and score tons of points every night? Are you going to get back to the point where you are shooting a lot of shots and you're teammates are not shooting and you're losing?
Right now, Kobe has willed the Lakers to a 22-19 record. It will be interesting to see what happens the rest of the way.
Posted by Scottie Pippen - Jan 24 2006 4:28PM
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Boy do I enjoy reading what Pippen has to say
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i just rewatched the game
kobe could have EASILY had 12 assists in that game
mihm missed like three easy lay ups from a kobe dish
parker pissed 2 easy shots
odom missed 2 or 3
brown missed one layup
and there were a couple more "c'mon guys" kobe DID pass the ball
u know im not a Kobe fan. But, like the Dallas game...at least they won. If they would have lost, there might be some criticism of him not passing. But since they won its a not a big issue for that game. I know a lotta people here worship Kobe n all so anything negative about him, cant even be imagined. But for his passing, and a real Laker fan would have to admit this, he should try and set up teammates more from the perimeter. I noticed that Kobe tends to try and set up other players more when he drives to the basket....which is good also cus it breaks down the defense. BUT, ive played with players like that...and believe me, it IS frustrating. It gives other players the impression that he only wants to pass if he can get an assist out of it. I think (Jordan did this alot) that the Lakers would be a far more dangerous if when Kobe came off those screens and curled out to the three point line....around the elbow, he found an open man either cutting to the basket or wide open in the corner for a little 15 foot jumper. You see, that when Kobe curls around those screens (especially if he's hot), he'll have two men on him when he launches a fade-away three. Thats a perfect opportunity to pass the ball instead. You have 3 men from the other team, guarding 4 of yours. And 2 of the defenders are all the way out on the three point line sticking Kobe (thinking he's going to shoot), without any chance of recovering on D if he hits a cutter. Plus, what will happen is this. At some point....when he hits those open guys and they knock down a couple shots, teams will stop following him out on those threes, and wont double him as much because they cant give up wide open shots to the other guys. And Kobe will have more one on one opportunities. All around it would be better for u guys.
LMAO...You're telling us how Kobe should play his game? I think he's doing just fine, and I trust his basketball judgement over yours...
lol youre right. Cus im sure youve never commented on how the Lakers could improve. Maybe you shouldnt be allowed to have an opinion lol. Im not saying how Kobe should play, yeah, he's doing fine. But his team isnt that great. Im guessing youve been watchin em this year....maybe not, just a guess. But man, other then him...its like watching cows fuck. Its Kobe coming off a screen, shooting a fadeaway three pointer with 2 guys in his face....and 4 other guys standing there watching. they wont win in the playoffs like that, i promise you. And i promise you Phil thinks the same way. Its like Barkley said during halftime of one of the Laker games last week. Its a great offensive players job to set up other players. Thats Kobe's job IMO too. He's a great scorer, whereas his teammates need help. the team is obviously far more effective when everyone is in on the scoring. As great of a scorer as u think he is, id guess that a wide open Odom jumper from the top of the key, or a Mihm layup, is still a more high percentage shot then a Kobe fadeaway three with one or two defenders in his face. Agreed? A great scorer (and this was Charles' argument too) can get their shots when they want to, so its their job to get others involved and in a rhythm. theres absolutely NO rhythm to this teams offense right now. Then, at those times when the team needs someone to takeover...thats when Kobe can do his thing.
Charles Barkely is the biggest Laker/Kobe hater ever, I can't believe you're even bringing him up...Kobe's shot selection, for the most part, has been great. He's usually efficient, especially down the stretch. His field goal percentage is extremely good for someone who shoots as many threes as he does...His fadeaway jumpers with 2 or 3 people in his face are hit and miss. I'd say just about the same as an Odom pull up three from the top of the key...I like Kobe's offense being the primary offense for the Lakers. Sasha's gunna hit those threes in the future on nights when Kobes penetrating only to be trippled in the lane...Bynum is gunna smash on people on dime-pieces from Kobe night in and night out...Smush is gunna penetrate into the lane off a Kobe double team (which leaves the lane open) and dunk on someone like he does. The now is looking good, and the future is looking even better... 8)
How is Charles a "laker hater"? lol. How come everytime someone brings up an honest and obvious truth about your team, you guys resort to "laker hater"?. What possible reason would he have to hate the Lakers? I agree with you that Kobe should be the primary offense. But cmon man, it doesnt take much to know that him forcing up threes over 2 defenders, fading away, isnt exactly a good choice as a shot attempt. I mean, compared to him simply dishing it off for a wide open 10-15 foot jumper by someone else....or even a cutter down the lane. How many times did you see Jordan, in this same offense, come off a screen baseline with a defender trailing him...and the screeners man stepping out on him also, only for Jordan to simply dump the ball off to the screening bigman downlow who just rolled to the basket for an easy dunk? Jordan didnt have good bigmen at all....but its an easy play to run.
From ESPN
Is Kobe the MVP this season?
Legler:
He is not the MVP to this point because, as great as he has been individually, the Lakers would have an even better record if Bryant sacrificed some of his scoring to maximize the contributions of Lamar Odom and Smush Parker. Bryant has been the most outstanding player, but Chauncey Billups or Steve Nash has been the MVP.
dont get me wrong, this aint the only opinion on Kobe. Im just saying, Tim Legler's opinion is exactly the opinion i have
LMAO@you even questioning the hate Barkely has for the Lakers. It's so fuckin' blatant that the other analysts joke about it with him...Shit, I don't think I've ever heard him predict the Lakers will win...LOLLL. Barkely simply hates the Lakers, and he especially hates Kobe. You can tell by the way he talks about him, not just his game, but he tends to really bash the way Kobe is in general. And ESPN? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. #1 Laker hating network ever. People on the Lakersground forum call it BSPN. There are analysts out there who do not hate, and there are great sports networks out there with no bias, but you simply choose to quote the haters...LMFAO@Kobe not being MVP. Yea, Chauncey Billups is better and more valuable than Kobe Bryant...L M F A O!
you guys dont even see how silly u sound. why are u all so paranoid? "Everyone is a Laker hater" LOL. U gotta be jokin me. ESPN....a "Laker Hater"? LOL. When Shaq and Kobe were winning rings....ESPN was jockin the Lakers so much it was ridiculous. Its just that, when someone....ANYone says anything negative about Kobe (even when its true, no NIK...he isnt perfect) u go back to this stupid shit about people being "Kobe Haters" or "Laker Haters". That shit is childish man. Do u honestly think this dood is perfect? Be honest NIK. Is he perfect? If u say yes...youre a fuckin retard lol What that means is....there are positives....and negatives to his game. I cant really break it down any simpler then that, if i could...i would try. But face it....positives....and negatives. Somewhat like every other person on Earth. All u do is point out positives, and ignore the negatives....but u dont see yourself as a dickrider. But if someone points out the negatives, theyre a hater. See how stupid that is? If ESPN hates the Lakers so much...then who do they love? lol. ESPN doesnt have any reason in the world to hate the Lakers. They just dont love them as much as, perhaps the most asskissing sports network on the planet, fox sports west. I said it before, on offense...Kobe is amazing. Is he perfect? Obviously not...no one is, deal with it. Can he improve still? Yes, obviously...everyone can. Is he on Jordans level (again, face it)? Hell no. Offensively, yeah Kobe can light it up. Defensively, he still isnt considered that impressive to anyone around the league. As for Charles, they dont tease him about hating the Lakers. Do u even watch TNT? They tease him cus he's so outspoken and out of all of them is really the only one who doesnt say whats popular. As for Lakersground....nice bringin them up. Im sure theyre not biased at all. Its definetely ESPN that is biased....not the Lakersground forum LOL!!! Get it through your head...not everything negative said about Kobe is from a "Hater". Like i said, thats a 10 year old mentality. So when they dog Ron Artest....HATERS! When anyone says shit about Shaq...HATERS! When YOU guys dog certain role players...or the coaching staff last year....HATERS! See? Stupid huh?
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The T -Shirt is coming http://store.yahoo.com/lakersstore/a1130-bryant-81.html
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Pippen is a god damn hater if u ask me. His whole life he's been the 2nd best plaeyer on the team and has not even come close to Kobe's greatness. Now he's sore about it and hating on Kobe... Fuck Pippen
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i just rewatched the game
kobe could have EASILY had 12 assists in that game
mihm missed like three easy lay ups from a kobe dish
parker pissed 2 easy shots
odom missed 2 or 3
brown missed one layup
and there were a couple more "c'mon guys" kobe DID pass the ball
u know im not a Kobe fan. But, like the Dallas game...at least they won. If they would have lost, there might be some criticism of him not passing. But since they won its a not a big issue for that game. I know a lotta people here worship Kobe n all so anything negative about him, cant even be imagined. But for his passing, and a real Laker fan would have to admit this, he should try and set up teammates more from the perimeter. I noticed that Kobe tends to try and set up other players more when he drives to the basket....which is good also cus it breaks down the defense. BUT, ive played with players like that...and believe me, it IS frustrating. It gives other players the impression that he only wants to pass if he can get an assist out of it. I think (Jordan did this alot) that the Lakers would be a far more dangerous if when Kobe came off those screens and curled out to the three point line....around the elbow, he found an open man either cutting to the basket or wide open in the corner for a little 15 foot jumper. You see, that when Kobe curls around those screens (especially if he's hot), he'll have two men on him when he launches a fade-away three. Thats a perfect opportunity to pass the ball instead. You have 3 men from the other team, guarding 4 of yours. And 2 of the defenders are all the way out on the three point line sticking Kobe (thinking he's going to shoot), without any chance of recovering on D if he hits a cutter. Plus, what will happen is this. At some point....when he hits those open guys and they knock down a couple shots, teams will stop following him out on those threes, and wont double him as much because they cant give up wide open shots to the other guys. And Kobe will have more one on one opportunities. All around it would be better for u guys.
LMAO...You're telling us how Kobe should play his game? I think he's doing just fine, and I trust his basketball judgement over yours...
lol youre right. Cus im sure youve never commented on how the Lakers could improve. Maybe you shouldnt be allowed to have an opinion lol. Im not saying how Kobe should play, yeah, he's doing fine. But his team isnt that great. Im guessing youve been watchin em this year....maybe not, just a guess. But man, other then him...its like watching cows fuck. Its Kobe coming off a screen, shooting a fadeaway three pointer with 2 guys in his face....and 4 other guys standing there watching. they wont win in the playoffs like that, i promise you. And i promise you Phil thinks the same way. Its like Barkley said during halftime of one of the Laker games last week. Its a great offensive players job to set up other players. Thats Kobe's job IMO too. He's a great scorer, whereas his teammates need help. the team is obviously far more effective when everyone is in on the scoring. As great of a scorer as u think he is, id guess that a wide open Odom jumper from the top of the key, or a Mihm layup, is still a more high percentage shot then a Kobe fadeaway three with one or two defenders in his face. Agreed? A great scorer (and this was Charles' argument too) can get their shots when they want to, so its their job to get others involved and in a rhythm. theres absolutely NO rhythm to this teams offense right now. Then, at those times when the team needs someone to takeover...thats when Kobe can do his thing.
Charles Barkely is the biggest Laker/Kobe hater ever, I can't believe you're even bringing him up...Kobe's shot selection, for the most part, has been great. He's usually efficient, especially down the stretch. His field goal percentage is extremely good for someone who shoots as many threes as he does...His fadeaway jumpers with 2 or 3 people in his face are hit and miss. I'd say just about the same as an Odom pull up three from the top of the key...I like Kobe's offense being the primary offense for the Lakers. Sasha's gunna hit those threes in the future on nights when Kobes penetrating only to be trippled in the lane...Bynum is gunna smash on people on dime-pieces from Kobe night in and night out...Smush is gunna penetrate into the lane off a Kobe double team (which leaves the lane open) and dunk on someone like he does. The now is looking good, and the future is looking even better... 8)
How is Charles a "laker hater"? lol. How come everytime someone brings up an honest and obvious truth about your team, you guys resort to "laker hater"?. What possible reason would he have to hate the Lakers? I agree with you that Kobe should be the primary offense. But cmon man, it doesnt take much to know that him forcing up threes over 2 defenders, fading away, isnt exactly a good choice as a shot attempt. I mean, compared to him simply dishing it off for a wide open 10-15 foot jumper by someone else....or even a cutter down the lane. How many times did you see Jordan, in this same offense, come off a screen baseline with a defender trailing him...and the screeners man stepping out on him also, only for Jordan to simply dump the ball off to the screening bigman downlow who just rolled to the basket for an easy dunk? Jordan didnt have good bigmen at all....but its an easy play to run.
From ESPN
Is Kobe the MVP this season?
Legler:
He is not the MVP to this point because, as great as he has been individually, the Lakers would have an even better record if Bryant sacrificed some of his scoring to maximize the contributions of Lamar Odom and Smush Parker. Bryant has been the most outstanding player, but Chauncey Billups or Steve Nash has been the MVP.
dont get me wrong, this aint the only opinion on Kobe. Im just saying, Tim Legler's opinion is exactly the opinion i have
LMAO@you even questioning the hate Barkely has for the Lakers. It's so fuckin' blatant that the other analysts joke about it with him...Shit, I don't think I've ever heard him predict the Lakers will win...LOLLL. Barkely simply hates the Lakers, and he especially hates Kobe. You can tell by the way he talks about him, not just his game, but he tends to really bash the way Kobe is in general. And ESPN? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. #1 Laker hating network ever. People on the Lakersground forum call it BSPN. There are analysts out there who do not hate, and there are great sports networks out there with no bias, but you simply choose to quote the haters...LMFAO@Kobe not being MVP. Yea, Chauncey Billups is better and more valuable than Kobe Bryant...L M F A O!
you guys dont even see how silly u sound. why are u all so paranoid? "Everyone is a Laker hater" LOL. U gotta be jokin me. ESPN....a "Laker Hater"? LOL. When Shaq and Kobe were winning rings....ESPN was jockin the Lakers so much it was ridiculous. Its just that, when someone....ANYone says anything negative about Kobe (even when its true, no NIK...he isnt perfect) u go back to this stupid shit about people being "Kobe Haters" or "Laker Haters". That shit is childish man. Do u honestly think this dood is perfect? Be honest NIK. Is he perfect? If u say yes...youre a fuckin retard lol What that means is....there are positives....and negatives to his game. I cant really break it down any simpler then that, if i could...i would try. But face it....positives....and negatives. Somewhat like every other person on Earth. All u do is point out positives, and ignore the negatives....but u dont see yourself as a dickrider. But if someone points out the negatives, theyre a hater. See how stupid that is? If ESPN hates the Lakers so much...then who do they love? lol. ESPN doesnt have any reason in the world to hate the Lakers. They just dont love them as much as, perhaps the most asskissing sports network on the planet, fox sports west. I said it before, on offense...Kobe is amazing. Is he perfect? Obviously not...no one is, deal with it. Can he improve still? Yes, obviously...everyone can. Is he on Jordans level (again, face it)? Hell no. Offensively, yeah Kobe can light it up. Defensively, he still isnt considered that impressive to anyone around the league. As for Charles, they dont tease him about hating the Lakers. Do u even watch TNT? They tease him cus he's so outspoken and out of all of them is really the only one who doesnt say whats popular. As for Lakersground....nice bringin them up. Im sure theyre not biased at all. Its definetely ESPN that is biased....not the Lakersground forum LOL!!! Get it through your head...not everything negative said about Kobe is from a "Hater". Like i said, thats a 10 year old mentality. So when they dog Ron Artest....HATERS! When anyone says shit about Shaq...HATERS! When YOU guys dog certain role players...or the coaching staff last year....HATERS! See? Stupid huh?
Of course as Lakers fans we are biased, like every fan of athlets,artists ..... You can bring negative points and not being a hater 4 sure, but being objective , you can't deny that some people love to diss Kobe more than any other players in this league. If Kobe and James on the same night shot 30% from the field , there will more talks about Kobe forcing shoots and James(or any other top notch players) poor performance won't be even talked about. Of course Bryant is not perfect and I said sometimes he has to pass the ball more or drive to the hoop instead shooting fall away 3pts .Though you know when he's in the zone like that, you can't say shit so all of us have to be objective and not say one time: he's unbelievable and the day after he's a ballhog. During the road trip, in the beginning of December , our attack was perfectly balanced and Kobe had 20pts-8,9 assists. It's just other players are way too inconsistent on the offensive (How many games Lamar, our 2nd option has scored below than 10 pts? easily at least 10). So what Kobe can do ? Finish games with 8-9 assists and Lakers lost by 15pts or take 35 shots and have a bigger chance to win ? We haven't a margin to waiting for other players to be consistent offensive wise and in the same time want to have a playoff spot.
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I agree with Pippen 100%
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anybody read wut Carter said bout it?
here's the article if u havent:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5275220
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you guys dont even see how silly u sound. why are u all so paranoid? "Everyone is a Laker hater" LOL. U gotta be jokin me. ESPN....a "Laker Hater"? LOL. When Shaq and Kobe were winning rings....ESPN was jockin the Lakers so much it was ridiculous. Its just that, when someone....ANYone says anything negative about Kobe (even when its true, no NIK...he isnt perfect) u go back to this stupid shit about people being "Kobe Haters" or "Laker Haters". That shit is childish man. Do u honestly think this dood is perfect? Be honest NIK. Is he perfect? If u say yes...youre a fuckin retard lol What that means is....there are positives....and negatives to his game. I cant really break it down any simpler then that, if i could...i would try. But face it....positives....and negatives. Somewhat like every other person on Earth. All u do is point out positives, and ignore the negatives....but u dont see yourself as a dickrider. But if someone points out the negatives, theyre a hater. See how stupid that is? If ESPN hates the Lakers so much...then who do they love? lol. ESPN doesnt have any reason in the world to hate the Lakers. They just dont love them as much as, perhaps the most asskissing sports network on the planet, fox sports west. I said it before, on offense...Kobe is amazing. Is he perfect? Obviously not...no one is, deal with it. Can he improve still? Yes, obviously...everyone can. Is he on Jordans level (again, face it)? Hell no. Offensively, yeah Kobe can light it up. Defensively, he still isnt considered that impressive to anyone around the league. As for Charles, they dont tease him about hating the Lakers. Do u even watch TNT? They tease him cus he's so outspoken and out of all of them is really the only one who doesnt say whats popular. As for Lakersground....nice bringin them up. Im sure theyre not biased at all. Its definetely ESPN that is biased....not the Lakersground forum LOL!!! Get it through your head...not everything negative said about Kobe is from a "Hater". Like i said, thats a 10 year old mentality. So when they dog Ron Artest....HATERS! When anyone says shit about Shaq...HATERS! When YOU guys dog certain role players...or the coaching staff last year....HATERS! See? Stupid huh?
Mmmm... Jordan at 27 collected 3 NBA All-Defensive First Team selections. Kobe being 27 has collected 3 NBA All-Defensive First Team selections and an NBA All-Defensive Second Team selection. I'm not saying Kobe is a better defender, but once again compare Kobe to the 27/28-years-old Jordan, if you really want to compare them.
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Pippen is a god damn hater if u ask me. His whole life he's been the 2nd best plaeyer on the team and has not even come close to Kobe's greatness. Now he's sore about it and hating on Kobe... Fuck Pippen
i dont exactly agree with that quote... Pippen would have never been anywhere as popular if that wasnt his role... and he was perfect at it.... i dont think anyone is comparing kobe to pippen.... he knows jordan more than any of us do... and they built a solid relationship on the court even though they went through there lil problems here and there but overall it was very solid
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for all you laker fans i hate to say this but the LAKERS ARE NOT A GOOD TEAM! we all know that kobe is a great talent but to say they will be a good playoff team is straight up ridiculous. lets face it kobe can't run the triangle offense and make other players around him great like um......Jordan. kobe will probably be remembered for running Shaq, the most dominate player we have ever seen, out of L.A.
Kobe isn't even supposed to run the triangle offense, smart guy, Kobe is playing the role of the wing-man (offensive attacker) this season. That's what Jordan played in the triangle, that's why they both attempt so many shots...Who did Jordan make so much better? Luc Longley? LMAO. BJ Armstrong? Come on man, you're a joke...Kobe makes his players better just as much as Jordan did...Shit, Smush has looked like an all-star a few times this season playing alongside Kobe...If you ever watch the games, Kobe cares about the players, he always vocally leads them, on and off the court...If you think Kobe is gunna be mostly remembered for running Shaq out of LA (even though LA saved well over $30 million in luxury taxes by trading him), then you're a retard, just like the guy who said Kobe would prefer to be remembered by his 81 points and not his championship rings (obviously the ultimate goal in the NBA)... :-X
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The Lakers are a STRONG PLAYOFF TEAM??? The Lakers are the biggest one man show i've ever seen. Watch the Pistons, Spurs, Suns - those are the epitome of strong playoff teams. Kobe is an amazing athlete, but the Lakers are not a strong playoff team.
Having said that, I still don't like Kobe. Yes he is a phenomenal athelete - incredible shooter, slasher, free throw shooter. You can't knock on his offensive skills unless you are a hater. He IS a ball hog, and wants nothing more than for the Lakers to be a one man show.
I think in 20 years, people will probably remember Kobe most for his 81 points, and not for his rings. And I think that's what he would prefer to be remembered for.
Wow. You can almost rival E-Crazy for biggest retard ever. Especially that last comment, that shit was straight ridiculous... :-X
How about not resorting to name calling and argue my points? Its funny that you call me a retard, yet you're the one that said the Lakers were a strong playoff team. You played yourself. Don't be mad at me for pointing it out.
Argue your points? You said Kobe would mostly be remembered for 81 points and not for winning rings. I bet you can't even name the player who was in 2nd place for most points before Kobe broke it...Why the fuck would Kobe wanna be remembered for 81 points, when winning championships is what makes someone great and puts them under legend status?...I played myself? LMAO. I don't think so buddy...Once again, :-X.
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i just rewatched the game
kobe could have EASILY had 12 assists in that game
mihm missed like three easy lay ups from a kobe dish
parker pissed 2 easy shots
odom missed 2 or 3
brown missed one layup
and there were a couple more "c'mon guys" kobe DID pass the ball
u know im not a Kobe fan. But, like the Dallas game...at least they won. If they would have lost, there might be some criticism of him not passing. But since they won its a not a big issue for that game. I know a lotta people here worship Kobe n all so anything negative about him, cant even be imagined. But for his passing, and a real Laker fan would have to admit this, he should try and set up teammates more from the perimeter. I noticed that Kobe tends to try and set up other players more when he drives to the basket....which is good also cus it breaks down the defense. BUT, ive played with players like that...and believe me, it IS frustrating. It gives other players the impression that he only wants to pass if he can get an assist out of it. I think (Jordan did this alot) that the Lakers would be a far more dangerous if when Kobe came off those screens and curled out to the three point line....around the elbow, he found an open man either cutting to the basket or wide open in the corner for a little 15 foot jumper. You see, that when Kobe curls around those screens (especially if he's hot), he'll have two men on him when he launches a fade-away three. Thats a perfect opportunity to pass the ball instead. You have 3 men from the other team, guarding 4 of yours. And 2 of the defenders are all the way out on the three point line sticking Kobe (thinking he's going to shoot), without any chance of recovering on D if he hits a cutter. Plus, what will happen is this. At some point....when he hits those open guys and they knock down a couple shots, teams will stop following him out on those threes, and wont double him as much because they cant give up wide open shots to the other guys. And Kobe will have more one on one opportunities. All around it would be better for u guys.
LMAO...You're telling us how Kobe should play his game? I think he's doing just fine, and I trust his basketball judgement over yours...
lol youre right. Cus im sure youve never commented on how the Lakers could improve. Maybe you shouldnt be allowed to have an opinion lol. Im not saying how Kobe should play, yeah, he's doing fine. But his team isnt that great. Im guessing youve been watchin em this year....maybe not, just a guess. But man, other then him...its like watching cows fuck. Its Kobe coming off a screen, shooting a fadeaway three pointer with 2 guys in his face....and 4 other guys standing there watching. they wont win in the playoffs like that, i promise you. And i promise you Phil thinks the same way. Its like Barkley said during halftime of one of the Laker games last week. Its a great offensive players job to set up other players. Thats Kobe's job IMO too. He's a great scorer, whereas his teammates need help. the team is obviously far more effective when everyone is in on the scoring. As great of a scorer as u think he is, id guess that a wide open Odom jumper from the top of the key, or a Mihm layup, is still a more high percentage shot then a Kobe fadeaway three with one or two defenders in his face. Agreed? A great scorer (and this was Charles' argument too) can get their shots when they want to, so its their job to get others involved and in a rhythm. theres absolutely NO rhythm to this teams offense right now. Then, at those times when the team needs someone to takeover...thats when Kobe can do his thing.
Charles Barkely is the biggest Laker/Kobe hater ever, I can't believe you're even bringing him up...Kobe's shot selection, for the most part, has been great. He's usually efficient, especially down the stretch. His field goal percentage is extremely good for someone who shoots as many threes as he does...His fadeaway jumpers with 2 or 3 people in his face are hit and miss. I'd say just about the same as an Odom pull up three from the top of the key...I like Kobe's offense being the primary offense for the Lakers. Sasha's gunna hit those threes in the future on nights when Kobes penetrating only to be trippled in the lane...Bynum is gunna smash on people on dime-pieces from Kobe night in and night out...Smush is gunna penetrate into the lane off a Kobe double team (which leaves the lane open) and dunk on someone like he does. The now is looking good, and the future is looking even better... 8)
How is Charles a "laker hater"? lol. How come everytime someone brings up an honest and obvious truth about your team, you guys resort to "laker hater"?. What possible reason would he have to hate the Lakers? I agree with you that Kobe should be the primary offense. But cmon man, it doesnt take much to know that him forcing up threes over 2 defenders, fading away, isnt exactly a good choice as a shot attempt. I mean, compared to him simply dishing it off for a wide open 10-15 foot jumper by someone else....or even a cutter down the lane. How many times did you see Jordan, in this same offense, come off a screen baseline with a defender trailing him...and the screeners man stepping out on him also, only for Jordan to simply dump the ball off to the screening bigman downlow who just rolled to the basket for an easy dunk? Jordan didnt have good bigmen at all....but its an easy play to run.
From ESPN
Is Kobe the MVP this season?
Legler:
He is not the MVP to this point because, as great as he has been individually, the Lakers would have an even better record if Bryant sacrificed some of his scoring to maximize the contributions of Lamar Odom and Smush Parker. Bryant has been the most outstanding player, but Chauncey Billups or Steve Nash has been the MVP.
dont get me wrong, this aint the only opinion on Kobe. Im just saying, Tim Legler's opinion is exactly the opinion i have
LMAO@you even questioning the hate Barkely has for the Lakers. It's so fuckin' blatant that the other analysts joke about it with him...Shit, I don't think I've ever heard him predict the Lakers will win...LOLLL. Barkely simply hates the Lakers, and he especially hates Kobe. You can tell by the way he talks about him, not just his game, but he tends to really bash the way Kobe is in general. And ESPN? LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. #1 Laker hating network ever. People on the Lakersground forum call it BSPN. There are analysts out there who do not hate, and there are great sports networks out there with no bias, but you simply choose to quote the haters...LMFAO@Kobe not being MVP. Yea, Chauncey Billups is better and more valuable than Kobe Bryant...L M F A O!
you guys dont even see how silly u sound. why are u all so paranoid? "Everyone is a Laker hater" LOL. U gotta be jokin me. ESPN....a "Laker Hater"? LOL. When Shaq and Kobe were winning rings....ESPN was jockin the Lakers so much it was ridiculous. Its just that, when someone....ANYone says anything negative about Kobe (even when its true, no NIK...he isnt perfect) u go back to this stupid shit about people being "Kobe Haters" or "Laker Haters". That shit is childish man. Do u honestly think this dood is perfect? Be honest NIK. Is he perfect? If u say yes...youre a fuckin retard lol What that means is....there are positives....and negatives to his game. I cant really break it down any simpler then that, if i could...i would try. But face it....positives....and negatives. Somewhat like every other person on Earth. All u do is point out positives, and ignore the negatives....but u dont see yourself as a dickrider. But if someone points out the negatives, theyre a hater. See how stupid that is? If ESPN hates the Lakers so much...then who do they love? lol. ESPN doesnt have any reason in the world to hate the Lakers. They just dont love them as much as, perhaps the most asskissing sports network on the planet, fox sports west. I said it before, on offense...Kobe is amazing. Is he perfect? Obviously not...no one is, deal with it. Can he improve still? Yes, obviously...everyone can. Is he on Jordans level (again, face it)? Hell no. Offensively, yeah Kobe can light it up. Defensively, he still isnt considered that impressive to anyone around the league. As for Charles, they dont tease him about hating the Lakers. Do u even watch TNT? They tease him cus he's so outspoken and out of all of them is really the only one who doesnt say whats popular. As for Lakersground....nice bringin them up. Im sure theyre not biased at all. Its definetely ESPN that is biased....not the Lakersground forum LOL!!! Get it through your head...not everything negative said about Kobe is from a "Hater". Like i said, thats a 10 year old mentality. So when they dog Ron Artest....HATERS! When anyone says shit about Shaq...HATERS! When YOU guys dog certain role players...or the coaching staff last year....HATERS! See? Stupid huh?
You miss the point. IT IS KNOWN, K-N-O-W-N, that (most of) the writers at ESPN dislike Kobe (they admit it). Kobe leads the Lakers, so that makes them dislike the Lakers...Kobe and the Lakers are currently very hated around the league, if you don't see that, then you're blind. Do you know that no one would say anything negetive if LeBron scored 81? I can almost bet the house on it...Having said that, I have said what Kobe's game needs work on. Back in early December (I think it was), I said Kobe really needs to either stop shooting so many threes or practice his 3ball...Now, he's actually improved it a lot since then and his 3P% is way up...But most of all, the fact that you said Kobe's defense isn't impressive shows me that you either have never watched him play or are brain dead. 5 CONSECUTIVE 1ST TEAM ALL-DEFENSIVE. Does that even mean anything to you? It tells ME that he's been the best defeder at the 2 for quite some time. Now don't ever tell me you're not a hater after claiming Kobe's defense is anything less than great...You shot yourself in the head with that one. :-\
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anybody read wut Carter said bout it?
here's the article if u havent:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5275220
LOL...Carter scored 5 points in a loss right before he made those comments. Doesn't surprise me at all...Carter was originally supposed to be the next Jordan...Hmmm, I wonder if he's just a little jealous ???
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Pippen is a god damn hater if u ask me. His whole life he's been the 2nd best plaeyer on the team and has not even come close to Kobe's greatness. Now he's sore about it and hating on Kobe... Fuck Pippen
I don't see any hating in Pippen's comments either. In fact, he pretty much stated what I said earlier. The rest of the guys need the opportunity to gel as a unit. He was wrong on one thing though.
The game has changed since back in the day. You used to be able to lay mufuckas out if they went in the lane. Nowadays that's a suspension. You used to be able to manhandle players that were bringing the ball up. Now that's a foul. The one thing Pippen forgot to take into account is the zone defense rules. Kobe gets frequently doubled without the ball. The game isn't as physical, but the legal zones allow teams to zero in on one player defensively wiht much more intensity. Kobe was splitting double teams and shooting over 2 defenders all night.
Could Jordan have done what Kobe did in today's era? Who knows. Times have changed though, that's clear.
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The Lakers are a STRONG PLAYOFF TEAM??? The Lakers are the biggest one man show i've ever seen. Watch the Pistons, Spurs, Suns - those are the epitome of strong playoff teams. Kobe is an amazing athlete, but the Lakers are not a strong playoff team.
Having said that, I still don't like Kobe. Yes he is a phenomenal athelete - incredible shooter, slasher, free throw shooter. You can't knock on his offensive skills unless you are a hater. He IS a ball hog, and wants nothing more than for the Lakers to be a one man show.
I think in 20 years, people will probably remember Kobe most for his 81 points, and not for his rings. And I think that's what he would prefer to be remembered for.
Wow. You can almost rival E-Crazy for biggest retard ever. Especially that last comment, that shit was straight ridiculous... :-X
How about not resorting to name calling and argue my points? Its funny that you call me a retard, yet you're the one that said the Lakers were a strong playoff team. You played yourself. Don't be mad at me for pointing it out.
Argue your points? You said Kobe would mostly be remembered for 81 points and not for winning rings. I bet you can't even name the player who was in 2nd place for most points before Kobe broke it...Why the fuck would Kobe wanna be remembered for 81 points, when winning championships is what makes someone great and puts them under legend status?...I played myself? LMAO. I don't think so buddy...Once again, :-X.
Fuck yeah you played yourself. Calling me a retard after you made the statement that the Lakers were A STRONG PLAYOFF TEAM. You're letting your love affair with Kobe blur reality dog.
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for all you laker fans i hate to say this but the LAKERS ARE NOT A GOOD TEAM! we all know that kobe is a great talent but to say they will be a good playoff team is straight up ridiculous. lets face it kobe can't run the triangle offense and make other players around him great like um......Jordan. kobe will probably be remembered for running Shaq, the most dominate player we have ever seen, out of L.A.
Kobe isn't even supposed to run the triangle offense, smart guy, Kobe is playing the role of the wing-man (offensive attacker) this season. That's what Jordan played in the triangle, that's why they both attempt so many shots...Who did Jordan make so much better? Luc Longley? LMAO. BJ Armstrong? Come on man, you're a joke...Kobe makes his players better just as much as Jordan did...Shit, Smush has looked like an all-star a few times this season playing alongside Kobe...If you ever watch the games, Kobe cares about the players, he always vocally leads them, on and off the court...If you think Kobe is gunna be mostly remembered for running Shaq out of LA (even though LA saved well over $30 million in luxury taxes by trading him), then you're a retard, just like the guy who said Kobe would prefer to be remembered by his 81 points and not his championship rings (obviously the ultimate goal in the NBA)... :-X
longley and armstrong with Jordan were much better players you're looking at them without Jordan look at their careers with Jordan then you'll see they were better than they are credited for. also look at Pippen one of the 50 greatest of all time, Rodman, Harper, H. Grant, Tony K., Stever Kerr who was a fuckin deadly shooter and was even deadlier when jordan was doubled team then kicked it out to one of them. what you forget is that when Bryant had Fisher or someone he WAS a better team player but now he has no one all he can do is hog the ball and put up 50 shots a night. the lakers as a team are crap and that's what you Kobe Bryant dick riders are blinded to see. yeah kobe isn't suppose to run it, he's suppose to make sure it runs at all which it doesn't. the bulls ran it to perfection and the lakers well.......lets just say they're 3 role players and 1 good player away from running a great triangle and actually being a playoff threat. jump off kobe's dick for a minute before you make basis comments and stop with that childish name calling.
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The Lakers are a STRONG PLAYOFF TEAM??? The Lakers are the biggest one man show i've ever seen. Watch the Pistons, Spurs, Suns - those are the epitome of strong playoff teams. Kobe is an amazing athlete, but the Lakers are not a strong playoff team.
Having said that, I still don't like Kobe. Yes he is a phenomenal athelete - incredible shooter, slasher, free throw shooter. You can't knock on his offensive skills unless you are a hater. He IS a ball hog, and wants nothing more than for the Lakers to be a one man show.
I think in 20 years, people will probably remember Kobe most for his 81 points, and not for his rings. And I think that's what he would prefer to be remembered for.
Wow. You can almost rival E-Crazy for biggest retard ever. Especially that last comment, that shit was straight ridiculous... :-X
How about not resorting to name calling and argue my points? Its funny that you call me a retard, yet you're the one that said the Lakers were a strong playoff team. You played yourself. Don't be mad at me for pointing it out.
Argue your points? You said Kobe would mostly be remembered for 81 points and not for winning rings. I bet you can't even name the player who was in 2nd place for most points before Kobe broke it...Why the fuck would Kobe wanna be remembered for 81 points, when winning championships is what makes someone great and puts them under legend status?...I played myself? LMAO. I don't think so buddy...Once again, :-X.
Fuck yeah you played yourself. Calling me a retard after you made the statement that the Lakers were A STRONG PLAYOFF TEAM. You're letting your love affair with Kobe blur reality dog.
I said they COULD be a strong playoff team, moron...So have many analysts. You're obviously an idiot. You don't even deserve long replies... :-X
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for all you laker fans i hate to say this but the LAKERS ARE NOT A GOOD TEAM! we all know that kobe is a great talent but to say they will be a good playoff team is straight up ridiculous. lets face it kobe can't run the triangle offense and make other players around him great like um......Jordan. kobe will probably be remembered for running Shaq, the most dominate player we have ever seen, out of L.A.
Kobe isn't even supposed to run the triangle offense, smart guy, Kobe is playing the role of the wing-man (offensive attacker) this season. That's what Jordan played in the triangle, that's why they both attempt so many shots...Who did Jordan make so much better? Luc Longley? LMAO. BJ Armstrong? Come on man, you're a joke...Kobe makes his players better just as much as Jordan did...Shit, Smush has looked like an all-star a few times this season playing alongside Kobe...If you ever watch the games, Kobe cares about the players, he always vocally leads them, on and off the court...If you think Kobe is gunna be mostly remembered for running Shaq out of LA (even though LA saved well over $30 million in luxury taxes by trading him), then you're a retard, just like the guy who said Kobe would prefer to be remembered by his 81 points and not his championship rings (obviously the ultimate goal in the NBA)... :-X
longley and armstrong with Jordan were much better players you're looking at them without Jordan look at their careers with Jordan then you'll see they were better than they are credited for. also look at Pippen one of the 50 greatest of all time, Rodman, Harper, H. Grant, Tony K., Stever Kerr who was a fuckin deadly shooter and was even deadlier when jordan was doubled team then kicked it out to one of them. what you forget is that when Bryant had Fisher or someone he WAS a better team player but now he has no one all he can do is hog the ball and put up 50 shots a night. the lakers as a team are crap and that's what you Kobe Bryant dick riders are blinded to see. yeah kobe isn't suppose to run it, he's suppose to make sure it runs at all which it doesn't. the bulls ran it to perfection and the lakers well.......lets just say they're 3 role players and 1 good player away from running a great triangle and actually being a playoff threat. jump off kobe's dick for a minute before you make basis comments and stop with that childish name calling.
LOLLL. You've proven that you're extremely deserving of my insults, dumbfuck. The Lakers as a team are crap? Lakers as a team play even better than when Kobe shoots 35+ shots...Did you watch them play on their streak in December? Everyone was sharing the ball, the offense was being run almost to perfection...Trust me, I know my shit, I've seen every game this year...You're obviously just speaking out your ass, it's not even a question with the comments you've made...PeACe
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dayum Chris Bosh and the dinosaurs got owned
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I have to disagree with Pippen. First of all he probably didn't even see the game. I did. Kobe scored let's say 90% of his FG's from the long range. He made jumpers, he didn't score 81 points with dunks or easy lay-ups! So a phisical defence couldn't have stopped him from making those jumpshots. With a phisical defence you can stop big men, you can stop drives to the basket. Not jumpers. Jordan was maybe more impressive to him cause he made most of his points (in the early years of his career) going inside, taking hard fouls, converting them into 3-points actions, getting doubled, hand-checked, etc.. But Kobe simply made jumpshots. How can you stop him? Kobe broke a franchise record in that game, 62 (SIXTY-TWO) straight free throws made. How can you stop it? 62. He made 7 3-pointers. Plus he made tons of jumpshots.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=100986.0
That's the proof.
P.S. What about zone defence? Zone defence, if applied well, is way more damaging for opponent's phisical game than a phisical defence. Just remember how Italy SONNED the U.S. National Team the last 2 times they met each others.
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What if the rules had been changed about hand-checking when Jordan was around...He already killed defenders when they could hold and push him. Imagine what he would've done if they hadn't been able to.
You guys know that I don't like Kobe, but what he did was impressive. 81 points is 81 points no matter how you look at it. If he had shot below 50% then yeah, he was being a ballhog but I believe he shot 61% from the field. That's a damn good percentage from the field considering how many jump shots he took. However, you could look at it as the Raptors absolutely suck whereas if somebody that could play defense was guarding Kobe...81 would've never happened.
Just look at it like this, Lakers fans can have 81...regular season accomplishments don't mean a goddamned thing if you aren't playing in May and June.
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I have to disagree with Pippen. First of all he probably didn't even see the game. I did. Kobe scored let's say 90% of his FG's from the long range. He made jumpers, he didn't score 81 points with dunks or easy lay-ups! So a phisical defence couldn't have stopped him from making those jumpshots. With a phisical defence you can stop big men, you can stop drives to the basket. Not jumpers. Jordan was maybe more impressive to him cause he made most of his points (in the early years of his career) going inside, taking hard fouls, converting them into 3-points actions, getting doubled, hand-checked, etc.. But Kobe simply made jumpshots. How can you stop him? Kobe broke a franchise record in that game, 62 (SIXTY-TWO) straight free throws made. How can you stop it? 62. He made 7 3-pointers. Plus he made tons of jumpshots.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=100986.0
That's the proof.
P.S. What about zone defence? Zone defence, if applied well, is way more damaging for opponent's phisical game than a phisical defence. Just remember how Italy SONNED the U.S. National Team the last 2 times they met each others.
Pippen doesn't like Kobe...I think he's bitter at the Jordan comparisons or something. He made a few negetive comments about Kobe this season...Now he wrote out a whole essay...LMAO. He musta' been butt-hurt that Kobe broke the record... :-\
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for whoever said " kobe scoring 81 points is damaging to the developing of the other players on the team"
did you see the game? did you even watch the first half....kobe was dishing it to parker , setting up nice 3's for him, setting up mihm, brown , and odom for EASY lay up and dunks, kobe even sat out a good part of the second quarter where the other players on the lakers were taking shots with like 19 seconds left on the shot clock......simply put everyone else on the team was OFF straight up. the fact that kobe scored 81 points was amazing , but what people fail to relise that is more amazing is that Kobe BY HIMSELF stopped a whole other team, kobe outscored the whole rapters team , because afterall no one else on the lakers was going to contribute, AND he D'd up the rapters, no one on the raps were getting nice shots the whole second half until it was like almost a 20 point game and players were being taken out. Kobe is getting TOO much hate for not being a team player, when the reality is he's a becoming a really good team player.....Tmac is loved and is a HORRID team player, but kobe is hated and is pretty good.... seriously some of you people need to watch your Fox Sports West and Kcal 9
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I have to disagree with Pippen. First of all he probably didn't even see the game. I did. Kobe scored let's say 90% of his FG's from the long range. He made jumpers, he didn't score 81 points with dunks or easy lay-ups! So a phisical defence couldn't have stopped him from making those jumpshots. With a phisical defence you can stop big men, you can stop drives to the basket. Not jumpers. Jordan was maybe more impressive to him cause he made most of his points (in the early years of his career) going inside, taking hard fouls, converting them into 3-points actions, getting doubled, hand-checked, etc.. But Kobe simply made jumpshots. How can you stop him? Kobe broke a franchise record in that game, 62 (SIXTY-TWO) straight free throws made. How can you stop it? 62. He made 7 3-pointers. Plus he made tons of jumpshots.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=100986.0
That's the proof.
P.S. What about zone defence? Zone defence, if applied well, is way more damaging for opponent's phisical game than a phisical defence. Just remember how Italy SONNED the U.S. National Team the last 2 times they met each others.
Pippen doesn't like Kobe...I think he's bitter at the Jordan comparisons or something. He made a few negetive comments about Kobe this season...Now he wrote out a whole essay...LMAO. He musta' been butt-hurt that Kobe broke the record... :-\
pippen has never liked kobe, when kobe and jordan were going head up back in the day pippen was trash talkin kobe all the time (shaq almost fought pipp because of this,member?) then fast forward to when pippen was on the blazers and kobe had that rib injury... everytime pipp would d up on kobe he'd always attack his ribs and hack at his shoulder then later on in the series he'd try to discredit kobe scoring on him and even tried instigating another fight ( and i think he got a flagrant on kobe, not sure on that though)
anything pippen says about kobe should be ignored because it's all bias
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What if the rules had been changed about hand-checking when Jordan was around...He already killed defenders when they could hold and push him. Imagine what he would've done if they hadn't been able to.
You guys know that I don't like Kobe, but what he did was impressive. 81 points is 81 points no matter how you look at it. If he had shot below 50% then yeah, he was being a ballhog but I believe he shot 61% from the field. That's a damn good percentage from the field considering how many jump shots he took. However, you could look at it as the Raptors absolutely suck whereas if somebody that could play defense was guarding Kobe...81 would've never happened.
Just look at it like this, Lakers fans can have 81...regular season accomplishments don't mean a goddamned thing if you aren't playing in May and June.
Jordan's game, especially in his younger years, was to break down defenders and penetrate into the paint. Nowadays, that would be more of a task for him with the zone defense rules, because a player can be defending the lane. Kobe is one of the most battered players in the league, EVERY time he takes it in he gets pounded, and only half of those fouls are actually called...Now, Kobe has a REALLY refined jumper. He can rise over 3 players and hit a 3 over all of them in his face with ease. Not many players can do that, in fact, I don't think anyone has ever got that down as well as Kobe...I just believe Pippen was saddened when he saw that Kobe broke Jordans record, he probably was a little disappointed...He ran home and wrote an article to try and discredit Kobe's 81 as much as he could...What Kobe did left a bitter taste in Pippens mouth, and the only way to wash that away is with hatred... :-X
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for whoever said " kobe scoring 81 points is damaging to the developing of the other players on the team"
did you see the game? did you even watch the first half....kobe was dishing it to parker , setting up nice 3's for him, setting up mihm, brown , and odom for EASY lay up and dunks, kobe even sat out a good part of the second quarter where the other players on the lakers were taking shots with like 19 seconds left on the shot clock......simply put everyone else on the team was OFF straight up. the fact that kobe scored 81 points was amazing , but what people fail to relise that is more amazing is that Kobe BY HIMSELF stopped a whole other team, kobe outscored the whole rapters team , because afterall no one else on the lakers was going to contribute, AND he D'd up the rapters, no one on the raps were getting nice shots the whole second half until it was like almost a 20 point game and players were being taken out. Kobe is getting TOO much hate for not being a team player, when the reality is he's a becoming a really good team player.....Tmac is loved and is a HORRID team player, but kobe is hated and is pretty good.... seriously some of you people need to watch your Fox Sports West and Kcal 9
Kobe is one of the best team players in the league...His guidance, to me at least, is amazing. His vocal leadership, his will to have the other players perform, it's all great...The hatred comes from people who don't watch Laker games and don't know what the fuck they're talking about. Their only source for the Lakers is BSPN. Then they come in here and make baseless arguments about how Kobe is a ball-hog and how Kobe is not a leader...LOL. I'm sure you know exactly what I mean...PeACe
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I have to disagree with Pippen. First of all he probably didn't even see the game. I did. Kobe scored let's say 90% of his FG's from the long range. He made jumpers, he didn't score 81 points with dunks or easy lay-ups! So a phisical defence couldn't have stopped him from making those jumpshots. With a phisical defence you can stop big men, you can stop drives to the basket. Not jumpers. Jordan was maybe more impressive to him cause he made most of his points (in the early years of his career) going inside, taking hard fouls, converting them into 3-points actions, getting doubled, hand-checked, etc.. But Kobe simply made jumpshots. How can you stop him? Kobe broke a franchise record in that game, 62 (SIXTY-TWO) straight free throws made. How can you stop it? 62. He made 7 3-pointers. Plus he made tons of jumpshots.
http://www.dubcnn.com/connect/index.php?topic=100986.0
That's the proof.
P.S. What about zone defence? Zone defence, if applied well, is way more damaging for opponent's phisical game than a phisical defence. Just remember how Italy SONNED the U.S. National Team the last 2 times they met each others.
Pippen doesn't like Kobe...I think he's bitter at the Jordan comparisons or something. He made a few negetive comments about Kobe this season...Now he wrote out a whole essay...LMAO. He musta' been butt-hurt that Kobe broke the record... :-\
pippen has never liked kobe, when kobe and jordan were going head up back in the day pippen was trash talkin kobe all the time (shaq almost fought pipp because of this,member?) then fast forward to when pippen was on the blazers and kobe had that rib injury... everytime pipp would d up on kobe he'd always attack his ribs and hack at his shoulder then later on in the series he'd try to discredit kobe scoring on him and even tried instigating another fight ( and i think he got a flagrant on kobe, not sure on that though)
anything pippen says about kobe should be ignored because it's all bias
I'm glad someone knows what's up...Jake, hows the kid?
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It's kinda sad to me cause i've always thought Pippen was a smart player who actually knew how to defend. But what he said about Kobe's 81 points performance is 100% hate. He have no points at all. He blamed the new rules, but fuck it. Like i said zonal defence is way more deadly that phisical defence for a guard. Toronto defended man-to-man, then they doubled Kobe, then they used big guys against him trying to contest his jumpshots, they even tried zonal defence. But nothing worked. You gotta give Kobe credits for that performance. If you want to blame the new (?) rules, do it in another article. Shit, that's horrible to me. Pippen used to be like a hero for me, cause he was a true defender, and i love defenders. But his comments was straight bullshit. He lost all his credits to me. What's the next step? To diss Tex Winter cause he placed Kobe in his All-Winter Team instead of Jordan? To diss Phil cause he said that that performance was something Jordan has never done in his career in a single match? To diss Buss cause he chosed Bryant over Shaq?
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anybody read wut Carter said bout it?
here's the article if u havent:
http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/5275220
More on what Carter said:
An L.A. media contingent surrounded Vince Carter before the game and asked him to clarify his remarks about Kobe Bryant's 81-point game last Sunday. Carter, who thought he already made it clear that the achievement was great for the league and not so great for kids to try to emulate, was flummoxed to learn that he had been criticized by TV sportswriters and Phil Jackson.
"I wasn't trying to put down what was accomplished," Carter explained. "What was said was that kids who think they can score 81 in a high school game, they can't. There's only one guy who can do that -- besides Wilt -- and he already did that. They think they can be Kobe Bryant, and they can't."
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It's kinda sad to me cause i've always thought Pippen was a smart player who actually knew how to defend. But what he said about Kobe's 81 points performance is 100% hate. He have no points at all. He blamed the new rules, but fuck it. Like i said zonal defence is way more deadly that phisical defence for a guard. Toronto defended man-to-man, then they doubled Kobe, then they used big guys against him trying to contest his jumpshots, they even tried zonal defence. But nothing worked. You gotta give Kobe credits for that performance. If you want to blame the new (?) rules, do it in another article. Shit, that's horrible to me. Pippen used to be like a hero for me, cause he was a true defender, and i love defenders. But his comments was straight bullshit. He lost all his credits to me. What's the next step? To diss Tex Winter cause he placed Kobe in his All-Winter Team instead of Jordan? To diss Phil cause he said that that performance was something Jordan has never done in his career in a single match? To diss Buss cause he chosed Bryant over Shaq?
ToNe is gunna come in here and say something along the lines of "No one hates on Kobe! It's all in the Laker fans minds. You guys are paranoid, everyone loves Kobe...I've never seen Kobe getting hated on."...Just watch. LOL.
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It's kinda sad to me cause i've always thought Pippen was a smart player who actually knew how to defend. But what he said about Kobe's 81 points performance is 100% hate. He have no points at all. He blamed the new rules, but fuck it. Like i said zonal defence is way more deadly that phisical defence for a guard. Toronto defended man-to-man, then they doubled Kobe, then they used big guys against him trying to contest his jumpshots, they even tried zonal defence. But nothing worked. You gotta give Kobe credits for that performance. If you want to blame the new (?) rules, do it in another article. Shit, that's horrible to me. Pippen used to be like a hero for me, cause he was a true defender, and i love defenders. But his comments was straight bullshit. He lost all his credits to me. What's the next step? To diss Tex Winter cause he placed Kobe in his All-Winter Team instead of Jordan? To diss Phil cause he said that that performance was something Jordan has never done in his career in a single match? To diss Buss cause he chosed Bryant over Shaq?
ToNe is gunna come in here and say something along the lines of "No one hates on Kobe! It's all in the Laker fans minds. You guys are paranoid, everyone loves Kobe...I've never seen Kobe getting hated on."...Just watch. LOL.
I don't give a fuck, man. Pippen was wrong because what he said is tecnically wrong. And had nothing to do with the game anyway.
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It's kinda sad to me cause i've always thought Pippen was a smart player who actually knew how to defend. But what he said about Kobe's 81 points performance is 100% hate. He have no points at all. He blamed the new rules, but fuck it. Like i said zonal defence is way more deadly that phisical defence for a guard. Toronto defended man-to-man, then they doubled Kobe, then they used big guys against him trying to contest his jumpshots, they even tried zonal defence. But nothing worked. You gotta give Kobe credits for that performance. If you want to blame the new (?) rules, do it in another article. Shit, that's horrible to me. Pippen used to be like a hero for me, cause he was a true defender, and i love defenders. But his comments was straight bullshit. He lost all his credits to me. What's the next step? To diss Tex Winter cause he placed Kobe in his All-Winter Team instead of Jordan? To diss Phil cause he said that that performance was something Jordan has never done in his career in a single match? To diss Buss cause he chosed Bryant over Shaq?
ToNe is gunna come in here and say something along the lines of "No one hates on Kobe! It's all in the Laker fans minds. You guys are paranoid, everyone loves Kobe...I've never seen Kobe getting hated on."...Just watch. LOL.
I don't give a fuck, man. Pippen was wrong because what he said is tecnically wrong. And had nothing to do with the game anyway.
Yup. That's basically the same thing I was saying...Pippens bitterness is WAY too obvious.
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More on what Carter said:
An L.A. media contingent surrounded Vince Carter before the game and asked him to clarify his remarks about Kobe Bryant's 81-point game last Sunday. Carter, who thought he already made it clear that the achievement was great for the league and not so great for kids to try to emulate, was flummoxed to learn that he had been criticized by TV sportswriters and Phil Jackson.
"I wasn't trying to put down what was accomplished," Carter explained. "What was said was that kids who think they can score 81 in a high school game, they can't. There's only one guy who can do that -- besides Wilt -- and he already did that. They think they can be Kobe Bryant, and they can't."
Another moron making nonsense at all.
Vince Carter? Are you fucking kidding me? Carter? The one who intentionally played bad for his own team just cause he wanted to get traded? The one who basically forced a team who was totally built around him to trade him? For nothing? Destroying the team? Disrespecting everybody including the city of Toronto? This guy is talking about kids watching?
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It's kinda sad to me cause i've always thought Pippen was a smart player who actually knew how to defend. But what he said about Kobe's 81 points performance is 100% hate. He have no points at all. He blamed the new rules, but fuck it. Like i said zonal defence is way more deadly that phisical defence for a guard. Toronto defended man-to-man, then they doubled Kobe, then they used big guys against him trying to contest his jumpshots, they even tried zonal defence. But nothing worked. You gotta give Kobe credits for that performance. If you want to blame the new (?) rules, do it in another article. Shit, that's horrible to me. Pippen used to be like a hero for me, cause he was a true defender, and i love defenders. But his comments was straight bullshit. He lost all his credits to me. What's the next step? To diss Tex Winter cause he placed Kobe in his All-Winter Team instead of Jordan? To diss Phil cause he said that that performance was something Jordan has never done in his career in a single match? To diss Buss cause he chosed Bryant over Shaq?
ToNe is gunna come in here and say something along the lines of "No one hates on Kobe! It's all in the Laker fans minds. You guys are paranoid, everyone loves Kobe...I've never seen Kobe getting hated on."...Just watch. LOL.
U act as if theres this huge group of people on here that arent Laker fans...that agree with u lol. You are obviously going to be biased...youre a Kobe fan. Like i said, you would defend this guy if he raped your mom. Like i said, u have this double standard. You cant call anyone who makes a negative comment about Kobe a hater...and at the same time claim you arent a dickrider for acting as if he's perfect. Its one or the other....either the people who say negative things are haters, and you and others like you are dickriders. OR, they arent haters...and you arent a dickrider. One or the other, chose. Ive had a million posts saying something positive about this guy, AND something negative....and all you can come up with is "youre a Kobe hater" LOL. Thats 12 yr old man. Id expect it from that "Wow im really gay cus i have my favorite ball player as my screename" kid....but cmon NIK, you should know better.
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It's kinda sad to me cause i've always thought Pippen was a smart player who actually knew how to defend. But what he said about Kobe's 81 points performance is 100% hate. He have no points at all. He blamed the new rules, but fuck it. Like i said zonal defence is way more deadly that phisical defence for a guard. Toronto defended man-to-man, then they doubled Kobe, then they used big guys against him trying to contest his jumpshots, they even tried zonal defence. But nothing worked. You gotta give Kobe credits for that performance. If you want to blame the new (?) rules, do it in another article. Shit, that's horrible to me. Pippen used to be like a hero for me, cause he was a true defender, and i love defenders. But his comments was straight bullshit. He lost all his credits to me. What's the next step? To diss Tex Winter cause he placed Kobe in his All-Winter Team instead of Jordan? To diss Phil cause he said that that performance was something Jordan has never done in his career in a single match? To diss Buss cause he chosed Bryant over Shaq?
ToNe is gunna come in here and say something along the lines of "No one hates on Kobe! It's all in the Laker fans minds. You guys are paranoid, everyone loves Kobe...I've never seen Kobe getting hated on."...Just watch. LOL.
U act as if theres this huge group of people on here that arent Laker fans...that agree with u lol. You are obviously going to be biased...youre a Kobe fan. Like i said, you would defend this guy if he raped your mom. Like i said, u have this double standard. You cant call anyone who makes a negative comment about Kobe a hater...and at the same time claim you arent a dickrider for acting as if he's perfect. Its one or the other....either the people who say negative things are haters, and you and others like you are dickriders. OR, they arent haters...and you arent a dickrider. One or the other, chose. Ive had a million posts saying something positive about this guy, AND something negative....and all you can come up with is "youre a Kobe hater" LOL. Thats 12 yr old man. Id expect it from that "Wow im really gay cus i have my favorite ball player as my screename" kid....but cmon NIK, you should know better.
I am not biased, at least not completely...When I see flaws in Kobe's game I point 'em out...Just like when he was shooting a low percentage 3ball earlier in the season, I said he should work on it. Not surprisingly, his 3P% has risen since then. I don't think Kobe is perfect, I just think he's the closest thing on the court to perfect. But nobody's really perfect...are they? You guys are haters beause if LeBron scored 81, you'd be the first ones to say "Kobe would've never been able to do this", "LeBron will definitely surpass Jordan", and all sorts of stupid shit like that...Since it's Kobe, you HAVE to find a way to give the accomplishment less credit than it really deserves...It never fails to amaze me, never...PeACe
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It's kinda sad to me cause i've always thought Pippen was a smart player who actually knew how to defend. But what he said about Kobe's 81 points performance is 100% hate. He have no points at all. He blamed the new rules, but fuck it. Like i said zonal defence is way more deadly that phisical defence for a guard. Toronto defended man-to-man, then they doubled Kobe, then they used big guys against him trying to contest his jumpshots, they even tried zonal defence. But nothing worked. You gotta give Kobe credits for that performance. If you want to blame the new (?) rules, do it in another article. Shit, that's horrible to me. Pippen used to be like a hero for me, cause he was a true defender, and i love defenders. But his comments was straight bullshit. He lost all his credits to me. What's the next step? To diss Tex Winter cause he placed Kobe in his All-Winter Team instead of Jordan? To diss Phil cause he said that that performance was something Jordan has never done in his career in a single match? To diss Buss cause he chosed Bryant over Shaq?
ToNe is gunna come in here and say something along the lines of "No one hates on Kobe! It's all in the Laker fans minds. You guys are paranoid, everyone loves Kobe...I've never seen Kobe getting hated on."...Just watch. LOL.
U act as if theres this huge group of people on here that arent Laker fans...that agree with u lol. You are obviously going to be biased...youre a Kobe fan. Like i said, you would defend this guy if he raped your mom. Like i said, u have this double standard. You cant call anyone who makes a negative comment about Kobe a hater...and at the same time claim you arent a dickrider for acting as if he's perfect. Its one or the other....either the people who say negative things are haters, and you and others like you are dickriders. OR, they arent haters...and you arent a dickrider. One or the other, chose. Ive had a million posts saying something positive about this guy, AND something negative....and all you can come up with is "youre a Kobe hater" LOL. Thats 12 yr old man. Id expect it from that "Wow im really gay cus i have my favorite ball player as my screename" kid....but cmon NIK, you should know better.
I am not biased, at least not completely...When I see flaws in Kobe's game I point 'em out...Just like when he was shooting a low percentage 3ball earlier in the season, I said he should work on it. Not surprisingly, his 3P% has risen since then. I don't think Kobe is perfect, I just think he's the closest thing on the court to perfect. But nobody's really perfect...are they? You guys are haters beause if LeBron scored 81, you'd be the first ones to say "Kobe would've never been able to do this", "LeBron will definitely surpass Jordan", and all sorts of stupid shit like that...Since it's Kobe, you HAVE to find a way to give the accomplishment less credit than it really deserves...It never fails to amaze me, never...PeACe
u act like im really into Lebron lol. i dont see lebron scoring 81 ever....but i also dont see him shooting that much to score 81. he isnt that kind of player, he scores...but still likes to get his teammates involved. I dont know who will surpass Jordan, or if anyone will for decades. But like i said before, Lebron isnt comparible to Jordan....Kobe either. Jordan had the offensive ability of Kobe, but far better defense. And he had the ability to make his teammates better like Lebron. Like ive said, u seen me give kobe props on different aspects of his game a million times....but that doesnt mean i wont say whats wrong with his game also. Obviously, like you agreed, he's not perfect. I dont think he's the closest thing to perfect in the league by ANY means. But i dont think any one player is. They all play slightly different. if you want to say Kobe is the best scorer in the league, u might have an argument. But is he the best leader? Not close. Is he the best defender? Definetely not. So theres noway to say whos "closest to perfect". Ill give u this...he's the closest thing to perfect on the Lakers ;D
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It's kinda sad to me cause i've always thought Pippen was a smart player who actually knew how to defend. But what he said about Kobe's 81 points performance is 100% hate. He have no points at all. He blamed the new rules, but fuck it. Like i said zonal defence is way more deadly that phisical defence for a guard. Toronto defended man-to-man, then they doubled Kobe, then they used big guys against him trying to contest his jumpshots, they even tried zonal defence. But nothing worked. You gotta give Kobe credits for that performance. If you want to blame the new (?) rules, do it in another article. Shit, that's horrible to me. Pippen used to be like a hero for me, cause he was a true defender, and i love defenders. But his comments was straight bullshit. He lost all his credits to me. What's the next step? To diss Tex Winter cause he placed Kobe in his All-Winter Team instead of Jordan? To diss Phil cause he said that that performance was something Jordan has never done in his career in a single match? To diss Buss cause he chosed Bryant over Shaq?
ToNe is gunna come in here and say something along the lines of "No one hates on Kobe! It's all in the Laker fans minds. You guys are paranoid, everyone loves Kobe...I've never seen Kobe getting hated on."...Just watch. LOL.
U act as if theres this huge group of people on here that arent Laker fans...that agree with u lol. You are obviously going to be biased...youre a Kobe fan. Like i said, you would defend this guy if he raped your mom. Like i said, u have this double standard. You cant call anyone who makes a negative comment about Kobe a hater...and at the same time claim you arent a dickrider for acting as if he's perfect. Its one or the other....either the people who say negative things are haters, and you and others like you are dickriders. OR, they arent haters...and you arent a dickrider. One or the other, chose. Ive had a million posts saying something positive about this guy, AND something negative....and all you can come up with is "youre a Kobe hater" LOL. Thats 12 yr old man. Id expect it from that "Wow im really gay cus i have my favorite ball player as my screename" kid....but cmon NIK, you should know better.
I am not biased, at least not completely...When I see flaws in Kobe's game I point 'em out...Just like when he was shooting a low percentage 3ball earlier in the season, I said he should work on it. Not surprisingly, his 3P% has risen since then. I don't think Kobe is perfect, I just think he's the closest thing on the court to perfect. But nobody's really perfect...are they? You guys are haters beause if LeBron scored 81, you'd be the first ones to say "Kobe would've never been able to do this", "LeBron will definitely surpass Jordan", and all sorts of stupid shit like that...Since it's Kobe, you HAVE to find a way to give the accomplishment less credit than it really deserves...It never fails to amaze me, never...PeACe
u act like im really into Lebron lol. i dont see lebron scoring 81 ever....but i also dont see him shooting that much to score 81. he isnt that kind of player, he scores...but still likes to get his teammates involved. I dont know who will surpass Jordan, or if anyone will for decades. But like i said before, Lebron isnt comparible to Jordan....Kobe either. Jordan had the offensive ability of Kobe, but far better defense. And he had the ability to make his teammates better like Lebron. Like ive said, u seen me give kobe props on different aspects of his game a million times....but that doesnt mean i wont say whats wrong with his game also. Obviously, like you agreed, he's not perfect. I dont think he's the closest thing to perfect in the league by ANY means. But i dont think any one player is. They all play slightly different. if you want to say Kobe is the best scorer in the league, u might have an argument. But is he the best leader? Not close. Is he the best defender? Definetely not. So theres noway to say whos "closest to perfect". Ill give u this...he's the closest thing to perfect on the Lakers ;D
See, this is where you're wrong. If LeBron likes to get his teammates involved, Kobe LOVES to get his teammates involved. It's just that Kobe's teammates DON'T. Kobe gets them touches, shit, even if you watched the 81 point game, he was setting everyone up for easy looks. And as for his defense defenitely not being the best in the league, well, Jordan wasn't even the best defender on his team. He had Pippen for SO MUCH defensive help. Plus, Kobe is the best perimiter defender in the league, so yes, his defense is as good as it has to be... It's obvious to me that you haven't payed close attention to Kobe's growth as a player in the NBA. It's pretty obvious to me that you base your opinion on ESPN highlights and analysts. Oh yea, lets not forget Sir Charles...I know that deep down inside you know exactly what I mean...PeACe
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What exactly "Jordan had the ability to make teammates better" bullshit means? That's only an american paranoia, probably made by the media to dickride Jordan and to defend his legacy. But to tell you the truth the only player i've seen making his teammates play better than their real potential is Magic Johnson. Period. Don't even try to compare Jordan with Magic, under this aspect of the game. Jordan was a scorer. And a defender. Maybe the most complete one. But he was pretty arrogant too. He had fights in pratice with other teammates. He has always disrespected Kukoc. He was never been nice with Rodman. But you know, his life is like a Disney movie for the US media.. he looks like Jesus, lol. Like if he did miracles, like if he was perfect, like the other teammates were nuthing without Jordan. Bullshit. When he retired the first (!) time, the Bulls probably played the best triangle ever. And Phil had his best season ever as a coach imo. Remember that. Give Kobe some props. Jordan at 27 wasn't that good. And he didn't have a ring. Period. Oh, and Jordan at 27 had 3 NBA All-Defensive First Team selections. Kobe at 27 had the same selections plus a 2nd team. So stop hating. Kobe's defence can only improve, but it's already All-Defensive First Team material.
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I've always said that players dont win rings on their own. It's no secret that the biggest piece in the 6 titles from the Bulls has been Jordan. And it's also no secret that if you take that importance in the 3 titles the Lakers won in terms of percentage for Shaq and Kobe...it would be Shaq 55% / Kobe 45% . Or heck even way closer than that. And until Kobe becomes the biggest imporant piece in a title, he will always be seen 2nd to Jordan
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I've always said that players dont win rings on their own. It's no secret that the biggest piece in the 6 titles from the Bulls has been Jordan. And it's also no secret that if you take that importance in the 3 titles the Lakers won in terms of percentage for Shaq and Kobe...it would be Shaq 55% / Kobe 45% . Or heck even way closer than that. And until Kobe becomes the biggest imporant piece in a title, he will always be seen 2nd to Jordan
But to do it he needs a Pippen, a Rodman, a Shaq....
Nobody can win a ring alone.
Not even Jordan.
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Then the time has to wait until he has a better team around him.
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I've always said that players dont win rings on their own. It's no secret that the biggest piece in the 6 titles from the Bulls has been Jordan. And it's also no secret that if you take that importance in the 3 titles the Lakers won in terms of percentage for Shaq and Kobe...it would be Shaq 55% / Kobe 45% . Or heck even way closer than that. And until Kobe becomes the biggest imporant piece in a title, he will always be seen 2nd to Jordan
Shaq was maybe 55% of the first title...By the 3rd title, Shaq was fat and out of shape, and kobe was doing at least 75% of the work. Anyone remember after those playoff games where Shaq would speak to the media and say "Kobe is the best player in the world. Period", "Kobe is the best player I've seen", etc. etc...Trust me, Kobe has done his share, and he still has years ahead of him to excel even further...
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Then the time has to wait until he has a better team around him.
They just miss a piece of the puzzle, man.
They're like Detroit before Rasheed.
Anyway Jordan had to wait 7 seasons to win his first ring.
Kobe is still in his second non-Shaq season.
But he already have 3 rings.
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Laker defense + Kobe offense = strong playoff team
Negro, quit backpeddling. You never said COULD, you straight said with the Laker D and the Kobe O, the Lakers are a strong playoff team. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU BASING THIS ON? The Lakers aren't even the best team in LA. You constantly throw out your little bitch disses actin like nobody knows shit about basketball, and you say dumb shit like this. Do yourself a favor and read some of your statements, and pretend like someone else said them. You'd be laughin your ass off. Everytime you open your mouth you play yourself. Its hilarious, and actually sad.
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Laker defense + Kobe offense = strong playoff team
Negro, quit backpeddling. You never said COULD, you straight said with the Laker D and the Kobe O, the Lakers are a strong playoff team. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU BASING THIS ON? The Lakers aren't even the best team in LA. You constantly throw out your little bitch disses actin like nobody knows shit about basketball, and you say dumb shit like this. Do yourself a favor and read some of your statements, and pretend like someone else said them. You'd be laughin your ass off. Everytime you open your mouth you play yourself. Its hilarious, and actually sad.
amen! and props for you
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Then the time has to wait until he has a better team around him.
They just miss a piece of the puzzle, man.
They're like Detroit before Rasheed.
Anyway Jordan had to wait 7 seasons to win his first ring.
Kobe is still in his second non-Shaq season.
But he already have 3 rings.
Detroit w/o Sheed >>> Lakers without __________
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Word he's good but I doubt he'll get 3 more rings to match Jordan. Only time will tale though.
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It’s really sad how everything is good to disrespect Kobe and hate on him. Kobe has to shoot a lot to carry the offence of his team over his shoulders cause their teammates aren’t scoring by themselves or simply they’re putting up bad stats? And like that he wins a game they were loosing by 20? “Ok, but Jordan was different! He made his teammates involved. He wasn’t a ball hog like Kobe”. What? Who? Jordan? The all-time NBA leader in FGA in a season? The guy who setted an unbeated NBA record for being for 10 years the leader in FGA? That guy? Mmmm..
Kobe makes 81 points in a single game shooting over 60% from the field and globally better than his teammates? ”That’s why he’ll never be like Jordan. He shot too much, he doesn’t share the ball”. Again? Jordan? The one who made 49 shots in a single game back in ‘92? When he was about 3 years older and more mature than today’s Kobe? And when his team was the reigning NBA Champ? That Jordan? Mmmm..
Kobe wins 3 rings being the best SG in the League and one of the Top3 players overall? ”Everybody could have won them rings playing with Shaq”. Yeah? Say it to Malone, Payton, Wade, Penny, H.Grant (the Orlando Magic one), Van Exel, Eddie Jones, Del Harris, etc..Plus it looks like if Jordan won rings with todays Hawks, lol. Wtf? It’s a team game!
Shaq acts like a kid asking tons of money (even if he’s obviously out of shape), then demanding to be traded (“or i’ll retire!”), then dissing Jerry Buss, the guy who made him multi-millionaire, and the whole city of Los Angeles, the city who made him the biggest superstar in the NBA after Jordan...? Blame Kobe! He did it.. Wtf? Mmmm..
The bitch who accused Kobe for the rape case lied? Who cares? Kobe’s still a rapist muthafucka!”. Mmmm..
I’m not saying he’s perfect. I’m not saying he’s better than somebody. But please give him props, sometimes. He didn’t fuck your mother!
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Then the time has to wait until he has a better team around him.
They just miss a piece of the puzzle, man.
They're like Detroit before Rasheed.
Anyway Jordan had to wait 7 seasons to win his first ring.
Kobe is still in his second non-Shaq season.
But he already have 3 rings.
Detroit w/o Sheed >>> Lakers without __________
I disagree. Like i said once give Mourning to this team and they're contenders. And i said Mourning, not Shaq!
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It's kinda sad to me cause i've always thought Pippen was a smart player who actually knew how to defend. But what he said about Kobe's 81 points performance is 100% hate. He have no points at all. He blamed the new rules, but fuck it. Like i said zonal defence is way more deadly that phisical defence for a guard. Toronto defended man-to-man, then they doubled Kobe, then they used big guys against him trying to contest his jumpshots, they even tried zonal defence. But nothing worked. You gotta give Kobe credits for that performance. If you want to blame the new (?) rules, do it in another article. Shit, that's horrible to me. Pippen used to be like a hero for me, cause he was a true defender, and i love defenders. But his comments was straight bullshit. He lost all his credits to me. What's the next step? To diss Tex Winter cause he placed Kobe in his All-Winter Team instead of Jordan? To diss Phil cause he said that that performance was something Jordan has never done in his career in a single match? To diss Buss cause he chosed Bryant over Shaq?
ToNe is gunna come in here and say something along the lines of "No one hates on Kobe! It's all in the Laker fans minds. You guys are paranoid, everyone loves Kobe...I've never seen Kobe getting hated on."...Just watch. LOL.
U act as if theres this huge group of people on here that arent Laker fans...that agree with u lol. You are obviously going to be biased...youre a Kobe fan. Like i said, you would defend this guy if he raped your mom. Like i said, u have this double standard. You cant call anyone who makes a negative comment about Kobe a hater...and at the same time claim you arent a dickrider for acting as if he's perfect. Its one or the other....either the people who say negative things are haters, and you and others like you are dickriders. OR, they arent haters...and you arent a dickrider. One or the other, chose. Ive had a million posts saying something positive about this guy, AND something negative....and all you can come up with is "youre a Kobe hater" LOL. Thats 12 yr old man. Id expect it from that "Wow im really gay cus i have my favorite ball player as my screename" kid....but cmon NIK, you should know better.
I am not biased, at least not completely...When I see flaws in Kobe's game I point 'em out...Just like when he was shooting a low percentage 3ball earlier in the season, I said he should work on it. Not surprisingly, his 3P% has risen since then. I don't think Kobe is perfect, I just think he's the closest thing on the court to perfect. But nobody's really perfect...are they? You guys are haters beause if LeBron scored 81, you'd be the first ones to say "Kobe would've never been able to do this", "LeBron will definitely surpass Jordan", and all sorts of stupid shit like that...Since it's Kobe, you HAVE to find a way to give the accomplishment less credit than it really deserves...It never fails to amaze me, never...PeACe
u act like im really into Lebron lol. i dont see lebron scoring 81 ever....but i also dont see him shooting that much to score 81. he isnt that kind of player, he scores...but still likes to get his teammates involved. I dont know who will surpass Jordan, or if anyone will for decades. But like i said before, Lebron isnt comparible to Jordan....Kobe either. Jordan had the offensive ability of Kobe, but far better defense. And he had the ability to make his teammates better like Lebron. Like ive said, u seen me give kobe props on different aspects of his game a million times....but that doesnt mean i wont say whats wrong with his game also. Obviously, like you agreed, he's not perfect. I dont think he's the closest thing to perfect in the league by ANY means. But i dont think any one player is. They all play slightly different. if you want to say Kobe is the best scorer in the league, u might have an argument. But is he the best leader? Not close. Is he the best defender? Definetely not. So theres noway to say whos "closest to perfect". Ill give u this...he's the closest thing to perfect on the Lakers ;D
See, this is where you're wrong. If LeBron likes to get his teammates involved, Kobe LOVES to get his teammates involved. It's just that Kobe's teammates DON'T. Kobe gets them touches, shit, even if you watched the 81 point game, he was setting everyone up for easy looks. And as for his defense defenitely not being the best in the league, well, Jordan wasn't even the best defender on his team. He had Pippen for SO MUCH defensive help. Plus, Kobe is the best perimiter defender in the league, so yes, his defense is as good as it has to be... It's obvious to me that you haven't payed close attention to Kobe's growth as a player in the NBA. It's pretty obvious to me that you base your opinion on ESPN highlights and analysts. Oh yea, lets not forget Sir Charles...I know that deep down inside you know exactly what I mean...PeACe
lol ive probably watched as many laker games as you have this year man. Kobe's "growth" isnt evident in his defense at ALL. I dont know where u get this idea that he's a great defender lol. But ive watched this guy on defense probably more then ive watched his offense. Ive seen him quit on so many plays on D man, and he gets burned....ALOT. Its well known around the league that he isnt considered a great defender. Jordan had Pippen, but Jordan himself was regarded as one of the best defenders in the league. there were years where many considered him the best defensive AND best offensive player in the league. So you cant compare the two at all. Plus, other then those two...they never had any amazing defensive stoppers until Rodman came along. The rest of the team was just role players who only shined because of Jordan. Once he was out of the league...they ALL disappeared. Even Pippen was nowhere NEAR the same player. And cmon man...youre going to tell me that Kobe likes to get his teammates involved more then Lebron? LOL Thats possibly the stupidest comment ive ever heard on this board regarding kobe. I cant even imagine Kobe himself saying somethin so stupid lol. Coaches biggest concern about Lebron since he's been in the league was that he would be TOO unselfish. They wanted him to be more selfish and look for his own shot more. Kobe hasnt exactly had any problem with being selfish since he missed those airballs in the playoffs at the beginning of his career lol. The man loves to shoot...he loves to have his name at the top of the boxscore. Unfortunately for LA, they wont win a championship with this lopsided shit. U say his teammates dont come through...but at the beginning of the year you kept arguing how they have all this talent. how Odom is an all star....etc..etc. Ontop of that, Phil was the "greatest coach ever". Kobe is the so called on court leader of this team. So let me get this strait....they had talent around Kobe, they have the greatest coach ever...Kobe "loves" (lol) to get his teammates involved...but it isnt working. So whos fault is that? The talent u said they had? The coach? Kobe? If the players arent making shots...maybe Kobe should be getting them the ball with more of an opportunity to succeed. Thats what a great player does. He can shoot all he wants, but if he doesnt trust his teammates...he will never win, i guarentee u.
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What exactly "Jordan had the ability to make teammates better" bullshit means? That's only an american paranoia, probably made by the media to dickride Jordan and to defend his legacy. But to tell you the truth the only player i've seen making his teammates play better than their real potential is Magic Johnson. Period.
LOLOL!
the only player? You need to watch a little more basketball guy. Magic was good at making his teammates better, very good. But the ONLY player? LOL thats really unbelievably ignorant. Theres been tons of players who make their teammates better. Some do it better then others, but what do u have as proof of Magic being better then anyone else? Magic had a TON of talent around him. More then Jordan EVER had in his career. Magic had the luxury of playing alongside one of the most dominant players ever in Kareem. He had good defenders on the squad and good outside shooters always. I put Magic and Bird on the same level really, one notch below Jordan. As for the whole "media" conspiracy theory bullshit youre talking about lol. What could the media possibly gain out of keeping Jordans legacy alive? If anything, it would be the opposite. It would be a much bigger story for the league if they could build up a player to MJ's level on and off the court. There just hasnt been anyone who can fit those shoes. You think the league wouldnt LOVE to have a player that could draw as much attention to the sport as MJ did? Of course they would.
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LOLOL!
the only player? You need to watch a little more basketball guy. Magic was good at making his teammates better, very good. But the ONLY player? LOL thats really unbelievably ignorant. Theres been tons of players who make their teammates better. Some do it better then others, but what do u have as proof of Magic being better then anyone else? Magic had a TON of talent around him. More then Jordan EVER had in his career. Magic had the luxury of playing alongside one of the most dominant players ever in Kareem. He had good defenders on the squad and good outside shooters always. I put Magic and Bird on the same level really, one notch below Jordan.
What's so funny about it? Jordan didn't make his teammates better at all. Not so much to overrate it they way you all do. He was a leader, the best player in the game, the best defender in the league. But he wasn't a team guy. He became a team guy after he retired the first time, since it wasn't possible for him to play "alone" (like "gimme the ball and i'll dunk it") no more. But shit man, the real Jordan wanted the ball in his hands, he wanted the team to work for him, grabbing rebounds, defending hard, passing him the ball in clutch time. He wanted to make shots. I already posted you his records nobody talks about. What if Kobe shot 49 times in a game? Man them Bulls were Jordan's team. Maybe the best team ever, ok. But still.. you know what i mean? Say Jordan is the best ever and i can agree with you (even tho i prefeer Magic), but don't mix him with Magic! Magic was the opposite: he always cared about the team first. He had that "playmaker" mentality so he loved to have everyone involved. Like: "Just run and i'll pass you the ball". Everybody could have been a superstar playing with Magic. Immagine Cedric Ceballos (lol) playing with Magic, running always in offence like a ball hog to score. He could have made like 40 points per game with Magic. And obviously i was talking about Magic, Bird, Jordan, the best players in NBA history, when i said Magic is the only one. Cause even Bonaccorsi from Brindisi, my local team, can make his teammates better, lol.
As for the whole "media" conspiracy theory bullshit youre talking about lol. What could the media possibly gain out of keeping Jordans legacy alive? If anything, it would be the opposite. It would be a much bigger story for the league if they could build up a player to MJ's level on and off the court. There just hasnt been anyone who can fit those shoes. You think the league wouldnt LOVE to have a player that could draw as much attention to the sport as MJ did? Of course they would.
The NBA has used Michael Jordan to promote basketball all around the world, man. And the media too. They've used him to make commercials like nobody in sports history. NBA and Jordan became the same thing, at one point. Jordan WAS the NBA. Everybody wanted it, and it worked damn good. People didn't even know the name of the team of Chicago, but they knew who Jordan was. And they knew he was "an NBA player". Now they're trying to do the same with LeBron James, man. What about LeBron James being called "the next Jordan" when he was still in college? (by the media, i mean). What about LeBron being the most popular player in the NBA as a rookie? What about his Nike contract? They are trying to make the same thing, man. They dickrode his dick so much that he has missed the Playoff for 2 straight season and nobody cared. So much that Kobe is obviously better than him but nobody care. So much that he's putting up worse numbers than in the first 2 seasons, but nobody cares. His popularity is higher than ever. Listen to an NBA game of the Cavs and they spend half of the time dickriding him. That's what they did with Jordan. They only difference is that Jordan was REALLY the best player in the League/ever.
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Laker defense + Kobe offense = strong playoff team
Negro, quit backpeddling. You never said COULD, you straight said with the Laker D and the Kobe O, the Lakers are a strong playoff team. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU BASING THIS ON? The Lakers aren't even the best team in LA. You constantly throw out your little bitch disses actin like nobody knows shit about basketball, and you say dumb shit like this. Do yourself a favor and read some of your statements, and pretend like someone else said them. You'd be laughin your ass off. Everytime you open your mouth you play yourself. Its hilarious, and actually sad.
Okay, how is that out there? Many analsyts are saying that teams should watch out for the Lakers in the playoffs, some have even predicted them to make the Western Conference Finals...Do you even know what the fuck you're saying? You said Kobe would rather be remembered for 81 points, you're straight ridiculous...
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It's kinda sad to me cause i've always thought Pippen was a smart player who actually knew how to defend. But what he said about Kobe's 81 points performance is 100% hate. He have no points at all. He blamed the new rules, but fuck it. Like i said zonal defence is way more deadly that phisical defence for a guard. Toronto defended man-to-man, then they doubled Kobe, then they used big guys against him trying to contest his jumpshots, they even tried zonal defence. But nothing worked. You gotta give Kobe credits for that performance. If you want to blame the new (?) rules, do it in another article. Shit, that's horrible to me. Pippen used to be like a hero for me, cause he was a true defender, and i love defenders. But his comments was straight bullshit. He lost all his credits to me. What's the next step? To diss Tex Winter cause he placed Kobe in his All-Winter Team instead of Jordan? To diss Phil cause he said that that performance was something Jordan has never done in his career in a single match? To diss Buss cause he chosed Bryant over Shaq?
ToNe is gunna come in here and say something along the lines of "No one hates on Kobe! It's all in the Laker fans minds. You guys are paranoid, everyone loves Kobe...I've never seen Kobe getting hated on."...Just watch. LOL.
U act as if theres this huge group of people on here that arent Laker fans...that agree with u lol. You are obviously going to be biased...youre a Kobe fan. Like i said, you would defend this guy if he raped your mom. Like i said, u have this double standard. You cant call anyone who makes a negative comment about Kobe a hater...and at the same time claim you arent a dickrider for acting as if he's perfect. Its one or the other....either the people who say negative things are haters, and you and others like you are dickriders. OR, they arent haters...and you arent a dickrider. One or the other, chose. Ive had a million posts saying something positive about this guy, AND something negative....and all you can come up with is "youre a Kobe hater" LOL. Thats 12 yr old man. Id expect it from that "Wow im really gay cus i have my favorite ball player as my screename" kid....but cmon NIK, you should know better.
I am not biased, at least not completely...When I see flaws in Kobe's game I point 'em out...Just like when he was shooting a low percentage 3ball earlier in the season, I said he should work on it. Not surprisingly, his 3P% has risen since then. I don't think Kobe is perfect, I just think he's the closest thing on the court to perfect. But nobody's really perfect...are they? You guys are haters beause if LeBron scored 81, you'd be the first ones to say "Kobe would've never been able to do this", "LeBron will definitely surpass Jordan", and all sorts of stupid shit like that...Since it's Kobe, you HAVE to find a way to give the accomplishment less credit than it really deserves...It never fails to amaze me, never...PeACe
u act like im really into Lebron lol. i dont see lebron scoring 81 ever....but i also dont see him shooting that much to score 81. he isnt that kind of player, he scores...but still likes to get his teammates involved. I dont know who will surpass Jordan, or if anyone will for decades. But like i said before, Lebron isnt comparible to Jordan....Kobe either. Jordan had the offensive ability of Kobe, but far better defense. And he had the ability to make his teammates better like Lebron. Like ive said, u seen me give kobe props on different aspects of his game a million times....but that doesnt mean i wont say whats wrong with his game also. Obviously, like you agreed, he's not perfect. I dont think he's the closest thing to perfect in the league by ANY means. But i dont think any one player is. They all play slightly different. if you want to say Kobe is the best scorer in the league, u might have an argument. But is he the best leader? Not close. Is he the best defender? Definetely not. So theres noway to say whos "closest to perfect". Ill give u this...he's the closest thing to perfect on the Lakers ;D
See, this is where you're wrong. If LeBron likes to get his teammates involved, Kobe LOVES to get his teammates involved. It's just that Kobe's teammates DON'T. Kobe gets them touches, shit, even if you watched the 81 point game, he was setting everyone up for easy looks. And as for his defense defenitely not being the best in the league, well, Jordan wasn't even the best defender on his team. He had Pippen for SO MUCH defensive help. Plus, Kobe is the best perimiter defender in the league, so yes, his defense is as good as it has to be... It's obvious to me that you haven't payed close attention to Kobe's growth as a player in the NBA. It's pretty obvious to me that you base your opinion on ESPN highlights and analysts. Oh yea, lets not forget Sir Charles...I know that deep down inside you know exactly what I mean...PeACe
lol ive probably watched as many laker games as you have this year man. Kobe's "growth" isnt evident in his defense at ALL. I dont know where u get this idea that he's a great defender lol. But ive watched this guy on defense probably more then ive watched his offense. Ive seen him quit on so many plays on D man, and he gets burned....ALOT. Its well known around the league that he isnt considered a great defender. Jordan had Pippen, but Jordan himself was regarded as one of the best defenders in the league. there were years where many considered him the best defensive AND best offensive player in the league. So you cant compare the two at all. Plus, other then those two...they never had any amazing defensive stoppers until Rodman came along. The rest of the team was just role players who only shined because of Jordan. Once he was out of the league...they ALL disappeared. Even Pippen was nowhere NEAR the same player. And cmon man...youre going to tell me that Kobe likes to get his teammates involved more then Lebron? LOL Thats possibly the stupidest comment ive ever heard on this board regarding kobe. I cant even imagine Kobe himself saying somethin so stupid lol. Coaches biggest concern about Lebron since he's been in the league was that he would be TOO unselfish. They wanted him to be more selfish and look for his own shot more. Kobe hasnt exactly had any problem with being selfish since he missed those airballs in the playoffs at the beginning of his career lol. The man loves to shoot...he loves to have his name at the top of the boxscore. Unfortunately for LA, they wont win a championship with this lopsided shit. U say his teammates dont come through...but at the beginning of the year you kept arguing how they have all this talent. how Odom is an all star....etc..etc. Ontop of that, Phil was the "greatest coach ever". Kobe is the so called on court leader of this team. So let me get this strait....they had talent around Kobe, they have the greatest coach ever...Kobe "loves" (lol) to get his teammates involved...but it isnt working. So whos fault is that? The talent u said they had? The coach? Kobe? If the players arent making shots...maybe Kobe should be getting them the ball with more of an opportunity to succeed. Thats what a great player does. He can shoot all he wants, but if he doesnt trust his teammates...he will never win, i guarentee u.
First of all, I doubt you've seen as many Laker games as me this year unless you've seen every single one...Shit, I've even been to a few games this season already, 2 of them being road games. I don't worship Kobe like you think, I'm simply a fan, a fan who's proud of having the greatest player in the world on his team. Kobe's D is great, yes, he gets burned sometimes, but WTF? Everyone does, especially guards. Jordan got burned ALL the time, Pippen was just there to bail him out on D. It made Jordan look good...When a guard passes Kobe, we have no one to stop the ball. With that being said, Kobe is still the best perimiter defender in the league. He stops the ball a lot, more than any other shooting guard, especially when playoff time comes...LeBron is a passer, yes, but sometimes I see Sasha hitting a 3 or Bynum dunking on someone, and this great big smile lights up on Kobe's face, like he's the happiest person in the world when his teammates start to fall into place and play like Phil wants them to. He loves it, he loves when the Lakers are balanced. LeBron, of course, is more of a passer, but I still think Kobe loves seeing his players develop together with him more than anyone in the league...We have a strong team here, I said it and I'll say it again, but they aren't very consistant. They tend to forget their places on the floor, they tend to get into these slumps, they tend to defer to Kobe when they're tired...But when they do perform to expectations, this team is great, the offense flows smoothly, the defense looks awesome...I think (and I hope) that that's the Laker team we'll see EVERY night come playoff time. I believe they'll have everything together by then, enough so that they wont get into those slumps they've currently been getting into...Kobe trusts his teammates, it's just that sometimes they don't trust themselves...It will all be balanced come playoff time..."i guarentee u."
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This thread just shows haters always gonna hate. There just would be "Congratulations", "Unbelievable"....
They just keep arguing "Jordan is better ", "Kobe is a ball hog" blah blah type of shit. Whether you like or hate him, diss a player who scored 81 is just :grumpy: and it's goes to all these so called analysts too.
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What exactly "Jordan had the ability to make teammates better" bullshit means? That's only an american paranoia, probably made by the media to dickride Jordan and to defend his legacy. But to tell you the truth the only player i've seen making his teammates play better than their real potential is Magic Johnson. Period.
LOLOL!
the only player? You need to watch a little more basketball guy. Magic was good at making his teammates better, very good. But the ONLY player? LOL thats really unbelievably ignorant. Theres been tons of players who make their teammates better. Some do it better then others, but what do u have as proof of Magic being better then anyone else? Magic had a TON of talent around him. More then Jordan EVER had in his career. Magic had the luxury of playing alongside one of the most dominant players ever in Kareem. He had good defenders on the squad and good outside shooters always. I put Magic and Bird on the same level really, one notch below Jordan. As for the whole "media" conspiracy theory bullshit youre talking about lol. What could the media possibly gain out of keeping Jordans legacy alive? If anything, it would be the opposite. It would be a much bigger story for the league if they could build up a player to MJ's level on and off the court. There just hasnt been anyone who can fit those shoes. You think the league wouldnt LOVE to have a player that could draw as much attention to the sport as MJ did? Of course they would.
Marketing was just taking off when Jordan got into the league. The media was getting into the game more than ever...The NBA needed an icon, and Jordan was there. If it was Kobe drafted in '84 to the Bulls and Jordan in '96 to the Lakers, I bet you ANYTHING we'd be talking about Kobe being the NBA God...I just think it would be too hard for people to say "Kobe is better than Jordan"... even if he ever did surpass Jordan, I still think that Jordan will forever be remembered as the NBA God, even if better players do emerge...Sorta' like Babe Ruth with baseball.
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It's kinda sad to me cause i've always thought Pippen was a smart player who actually knew how to defend. But what he said about Kobe's 81 points performance is 100% hate. He have no points at all. He blamed the new rules, but fuck it. Like i said zonal defence is way more deadly that phisical defence for a guard. Toronto defended man-to-man, then they doubled Kobe, then they used big guys against him trying to contest his jumpshots, they even tried zonal defence. But nothing worked. You gotta give Kobe credits for that performance. If you want to blame the new (?) rules, do it in another article. Shit, that's horrible to me. Pippen used to be like a hero for me, cause he was a true defender, and i love defenders. But his comments was straight bullshit. He lost all his credits to me. What's the next step? To diss Tex Winter cause he placed Kobe in his All-Winter Team instead of Jordan? To diss Phil cause he said that that performance was something Jordan has never done in his career in a single match? To diss Buss cause he chosed Bryant over Shaq?
ToNe is gunna come in here and say something along the lines of "No one hates on Kobe! It's all in the Laker fans minds. You guys are paranoid, everyone loves Kobe...I've never seen Kobe getting hated on."...Just watch. LOL.
U act as if theres this huge group of people on here that arent Laker fans...that agree with u lol. You are obviously going to be biased...youre a Kobe fan. Like i said, you would defend this guy if he raped your mom. Like i said, u have this double standard. You cant call anyone who makes a negative comment about Kobe a hater...and at the same time claim you arent a dickrider for acting as if he's perfect. Its one or the other....either the people who say negative things are haters, and you and others like you are dickriders. OR, they arent haters...and you arent a dickrider. One or the other, chose. Ive had a million posts saying something positive about this guy, AND something negative....and all you can come up with is "youre a Kobe hater" LOL. Thats 12 yr old man. Id expect it from that "Wow im really gay cus i have my favorite ball player as my screename" kid....but cmon NIK, you should know better.
I am not biased, at least not completely...When I see flaws in Kobe's game I point 'em out...Just like when he was shooting a low percentage 3ball earlier in the season, I said he should work on it. Not surprisingly, his 3P% has risen since then. I don't think Kobe is perfect, I just think he's the closest thing on the court to perfect. But nobody's really perfect...are they? You guys are haters beause if LeBron scored 81, you'd be the first ones to say "Kobe would've never been able to do this", "LeBron will definitely surpass Jordan", and all sorts of stupid shit like that...Since it's Kobe, you HAVE to find a way to give the accomplishment less credit than it really deserves...It never fails to amaze me, never...PeACe
u act like im really into Lebron lol. i dont see lebron scoring 81 ever....but i also dont see him shooting that much to score 81. he isnt that kind of player, he scores...but still likes to get his teammates involved. I dont know who will surpass Jordan, or if anyone will for decades. But like i said before, Lebron isnt comparible to Jordan....Kobe either. Jordan had the offensive ability of Kobe, but far better defense. And he had the ability to make his teammates better like Lebron. Like ive said, u seen me give kobe props on different aspects of his game a million times....but that doesnt mean i wont say whats wrong with his game also. Obviously, like you agreed, he's not perfect. I dont think he's the closest thing to perfect in the league by ANY means. But i dont think any one player is. They all play slightly different. if you want to say Kobe is the best scorer in the league, u might have an argument. But is he the best leader? Not close. Is he the best defender? Definetely not. So theres noway to say whos "closest to perfect". Ill give u this...he's the closest thing to perfect on the Lakers ;D
See, this is where you're wrong. If LeBron likes to get his teammates involved, Kobe LOVES to get his teammates involved. It's just that Kobe's teammates DON'T. Kobe gets them touches, shit, even if you watched the 81 point game, he was setting everyone up for easy looks. And as for his defense defenitely not being the best in the league, well, Jordan wasn't even the best defender on his team. He had Pippen for SO MUCH defensive help. Plus, Kobe is the best perimiter defender in the league, so yes, his defense is as good as it has to be... It's obvious to me that you haven't payed close attention to Kobe's growth as a player in the NBA. It's pretty obvious to me that you base your opinion on ESPN highlights and analysts. Oh yea, lets not forget Sir Charles...I know that deep down inside you know exactly what I mean...PeACe
lol ive probably watched as many laker games as you have this year man. Kobe's "growth" isnt evident in his defense at ALL. I dont know where u get this idea that he's a great defender lol. But ive watched this guy on defense probably more then ive watched his offense. Ive seen him quit on so many plays on D man, and he gets burned....ALOT. Its well known around the league that he isnt considered a great defender. Jordan had Pippen, but Jordan himself was regarded as one of the best defenders in the league. there were years where many considered him the best defensive AND best offensive player in the league. So you cant compare the two at all. Plus, other then those two...they never had any amazing defensive stoppers until Rodman came along. The rest of the team was just role players who only shined because of Jordan. Once he was out of the league...they ALL disappeared. Even Pippen was nowhere NEAR the same player. And cmon man...youre going to tell me that Kobe likes to get his teammates involved more then Lebron? LOL Thats possibly the stupidest comment ive ever heard on this board regarding kobe. I cant even imagine Kobe himself saying somethin so stupid lol. Coaches biggest concern about Lebron since he's been in the league was that he would be TOO unselfish. They wanted him to be more selfish and look for his own shot more. Kobe hasnt exactly had any problem with being selfish since he missed those airballs in the playoffs at the beginning of his career lol. The man loves to shoot...he loves to have his name at the top of the boxscore. Unfortunately for LA, they wont win a championship with this lopsided shit. U say his teammates dont come through...but at the beginning of the year you kept arguing how they have all this talent. how Odom is an all star....etc..etc. Ontop of that, Phil was the "greatest coach ever". Kobe is the so called on court leader of this team. So let me get this strait....they had talent around Kobe, they have the greatest coach ever...Kobe "loves" (lol) to get his teammates involved...but it isnt working. So whos fault is that? The talent u said they had? The coach? Kobe? If the players arent making shots...maybe Kobe should be getting them the ball with more of an opportunity to succeed. Thats what a great player does. He can shoot all he wants, but if he doesnt trust his teammates...he will never win, i guarentee u.
First of all, I doubt you've seen as many Laker games as me this year unless you've seen every single one...Shit, I've even been to a few games this season already, 2 of them being road games. I don't worship Kobe like you think, I'm simply a fan, a fan who's proud of having the greatest player in the world on his team. Kobe's D is great, yes, he gets burned sometimes, but WTF? Everyone does, especially guards. Jordan got burned ALL the time, Pippen was just there to bail him out on D. It made Jordan look good...When a guard passes Kobe, we have no one to stop the ball. With that being said, Kobe is still the best perimiter defender in the league. He stops the ball a lot, more than any other shooting guard, especially when playoff time comes...LeBron is a passer, yes, but sometimes I see Sasha hitting a 3 or Bynum dunking on someone, and this great big smile lights up on Kobe's face, like he's the happiest person in the world when his teammates start to fall into place and play like Phil wants them to. He loves it, he loves when the Lakers are balanced. LeBron, of course, is more of a passer, but I still think Kobe loves seeing his players develop together with him more than anyone in the league...We have a strong team here, I said it and I'll say it again, but they aren't very consistant. They tend to forget their places on the floor, they tend to get into these slumps, they tend to defer to Kobe when they're tired...But when they do perform to expectations, this team is great, the offense flows smoothly, the defense looks awesome...I think (and I hope) that that's the Laker team we'll see EVERY night come playoff time. I believe they'll have everything together by then, enough so that they wont get into those slumps they've currently been getting into...Kobe trusts his teammates, it's just that sometimes they don't trust themselves...It will all be balanced come playoff time..."i guarentee u."
i just dont know where u get this "Kobe is the best perimieter defender in the league"? Ive never heard that come out of ONE persons mouth around the league. The players dont think that, the coaches dont think that, the media doesnt think that...nobody does. U honestly think he'll be all defensive first team this year? lol I doubt it. Probably not 1st....2nd....or 3rd. As for Jordan, youre right Jordan did get burned some. But it wasnt the same as Kobe. I see Kobe quit on defense a LOT. Jordan got burned some, but if u watched those games back in the day youd also see how Jordan played alot of his D. He was the first person i saw to actually allow his player to get by him just a little, so he could swat the ball from behind on a 10 foot jumper. This isnt to say that Lebron has the best D either, he needs to work on his also. He's young, so hopefully he'll figure it out. As far as Kobe's teammates not trusting themselves. That goes both ways. They need confidence....obviously. But part of that confidence comes from Kobe. The opinion around the league has been that in order for this team to win, Kobe will have to learn to trust his teammates. And, at the same time...his teammates will have to come through when he does give them the ball. Right now, u can tell neither of those are happening. We could go back and forth forever on whos to blame. You can say Kobe doesnt have confidence in his teammates cus they dont knock down shots, so thats why he doesnt give up the ball more. I can say that his teammates have no confidence because they get the ball so little, that they have no chance to get into the rhythm of the game. I think both Kobe AND his teammates need to adjust. When their offense looks so stagnant, i dont blame only Kobe...but i also dont blame only his teammates. At some point he needs to just trust them, if they miss shots...they miss shots. But he cant try to do everything on offense or else the rest of team will NEVER grow. Players learn from their own mistakes in the game. Dont u think, that in Kobe's early years when he had those fuckups in the playoffs, and his game looked so immature at times, it actually helped him in the long run? Im guessing he looks at it that way, which means he needs to see that in these players and let them grow. Right now, they all suck man. But remember, no one has confidence in them. The media doesnt, other teams dont respect them, their own teammate (the star of their team) doesnt, and i dont even think the coach does all that much.
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It's kinda sad to me cause i've always thought Pippen was a smart player who actually knew how to defend. But what he said about Kobe's 81 points performance is 100% hate. He have no points at all. He blamed the new rules, but fuck it. Like i said zonal defence is way more deadly that phisical defence for a guard. Toronto defended man-to-man, then they doubled Kobe, then they used big guys against him trying to contest his jumpshots, they even tried zonal defence. But nothing worked. You gotta give Kobe credits for that performance. If you want to blame the new (?) rules, do it in another article. Shit, that's horrible to me. Pippen used to be like a hero for me, cause he was a true defender, and i love defenders. But his comments was straight bullshit. He lost all his credits to me. What's the next step? To diss Tex Winter cause he placed Kobe in his All-Winter Team instead of Jordan? To diss Phil cause he said that that performance was something Jordan has never done in his career in a single match? To diss Buss cause he chosed Bryant over Shaq?
ToNe is gunna come in here and say something along the lines of "No one hates on Kobe! It's all in the Laker fans minds. You guys are paranoid, everyone loves Kobe...I've never seen Kobe getting hated on."...Just watch. LOL.
U act as if theres this huge group of people on here that arent Laker fans...that agree with u lol. You are obviously going to be biased...youre a Kobe fan. Like i said, you would defend this guy if he raped your mom. Like i said, u have this double standard. You cant call anyone who makes a negative comment about Kobe a hater...and at the same time claim you arent a dickrider for acting as if he's perfect. Its one or the other....either the people who say negative things are haters, and you and others like you are dickriders. OR, they arent haters...and you arent a dickrider. One or the other, chose. Ive had a million posts saying something positive about this guy, AND something negative....and all you can come up with is "youre a Kobe hater" LOL. Thats 12 yr old man. Id expect it from that "Wow im really gay cus i have my favorite ball player as my screename" kid....but cmon NIK, you should know better.
I am not biased, at least not completely...When I see flaws in Kobe's game I point 'em out...Just like when he was shooting a low percentage 3ball earlier in the season, I said he should work on it. Not surprisingly, his 3P% has risen since then. I don't think Kobe is perfect, I just think he's the closest thing on the court to perfect. But nobody's really perfect...are they? You guys are haters beause if LeBron scored 81, you'd be the first ones to say "Kobe would've never been able to do this", "LeBron will definitely surpass Jordan", and all sorts of stupid shit like that...Since it's Kobe, you HAVE to find a way to give the accomplishment less credit than it really deserves...It never fails to amaze me, never...PeACe
u act like im really into Lebron lol. i dont see lebron scoring 81 ever....but i also dont see him shooting that much to score 81. he isnt that kind of player, he scores...but still likes to get his teammates involved. I dont know who will surpass Jordan, or if anyone will for decades. But like i said before, Lebron isnt comparible to Jordan....Kobe either. Jordan had the offensive ability of Kobe, but far better defense. And he had the ability to make his teammates better like Lebron. Like ive said, u seen me give kobe props on different aspects of his game a million times....but that doesnt mean i wont say whats wrong with his game also. Obviously, like you agreed, he's not perfect. I dont think he's the closest thing to perfect in the league by ANY means. But i dont think any one player is. They all play slightly different. if you want to say Kobe is the best scorer in the league, u might have an argument. But is he the best leader? Not close. Is he the best defender? Definetely not. So theres noway to say whos "closest to perfect". Ill give u this...he's the closest thing to perfect on the Lakers ;D
See, this is where you're wrong. If LeBron likes to get his teammates involved, Kobe LOVES to get his teammates involved. It's just that Kobe's teammates DON'T. Kobe gets them touches, shit, even if you watched the 81 point game, he was setting everyone up for easy looks. And as for his defense defenitely not being the best in the league, well, Jordan wasn't even the best defender on his team. He had Pippen for SO MUCH defensive help. Plus, Kobe is the best perimiter defender in the league, so yes, his defense is as good as it has to be... It's obvious to me that you haven't payed close attention to Kobe's growth as a player in the NBA. It's pretty obvious to me that you base your opinion on ESPN highlights and analysts. Oh yea, lets not forget Sir Charles...I know that deep down inside you know exactly what I mean...PeACe
lol ive probably watched as many laker games as you have this year man. Kobe's "growth" isnt evident in his defense at ALL. I dont know where u get this idea that he's a great defender lol. But ive watched this guy on defense probably more then ive watched his offense. Ive seen him quit on so many plays on D man, and he gets burned....ALOT. Its well known around the league that he isnt considered a great defender. Jordan had Pippen, but Jordan himself was regarded as one of the best defenders in the league. there were years where many considered him the best defensive AND best offensive player in the league. So you cant compare the two at all. Plus, other then those two...they never had any amazing defensive stoppers until Rodman came along. The rest of the team was just role players who only shined because of Jordan. Once he was out of the league...they ALL disappeared. Even Pippen was nowhere NEAR the same player. And cmon man...youre going to tell me that Kobe likes to get his teammates involved more then Lebron? LOL Thats possibly the stupidest comment ive ever heard on this board regarding kobe. I cant even imagine Kobe himself saying somethin so stupid lol. Coaches biggest concern about Lebron since he's been in the league was that he would be TOO unselfish. They wanted him to be more selfish and look for his own shot more. Kobe hasnt exactly had any problem with being selfish since he missed those airballs in the playoffs at the beginning of his career lol. The man loves to shoot...he loves to have his name at the top of the boxscore. Unfortunately for LA, they wont win a championship with this lopsided shit. U say his teammates dont come through...but at the beginning of the year you kept arguing how they have all this talent. how Odom is an all star....etc..etc. Ontop of that, Phil was the "greatest coach ever". Kobe is the so called on court leader of this team. So let me get this strait....they had talent around Kobe, they have the greatest coach ever...Kobe "loves" (lol) to get his teammates involved...but it isnt working. So whos fault is that? The talent u said they had? The coach? Kobe? If the players arent making shots...maybe Kobe should be getting them the ball with more of an opportunity to succeed. Thats what a great player does. He can shoot all he wants, but if he doesnt trust his teammates...he will never win, i guarentee u.
First of all, I doubt you've seen as many Laker games as me this year unless you've seen every single one...Shit, I've even been to a few games this season already, 2 of them being road games. I don't worship Kobe like you think, I'm simply a fan, a fan who's proud of having the greatest player in the world on his team. Kobe's D is great, yes, he gets burned sometimes, but WTF? Everyone does, especially guards. Jordan got burned ALL the time, Pippen was just there to bail him out on D. It made Jordan look good...When a guard passes Kobe, we have no one to stop the ball. With that being said, Kobe is still the best perimiter defender in the league. He stops the ball a lot, more than any other shooting guard, especially when playoff time comes...LeBron is a passer, yes, but sometimes I see Sasha hitting a 3 or Bynum dunking on someone, and this great big smile lights up on Kobe's face, like he's the happiest person in the world when his teammates start to fall into place and play like Phil wants them to. He loves it, he loves when the Lakers are balanced. LeBron, of course, is more of a passer, but I still think Kobe loves seeing his players develop together with him more than anyone in the league...We have a strong team here, I said it and I'll say it again, but they aren't very consistant. They tend to forget their places on the floor, they tend to get into these slumps, they tend to defer to Kobe when they're tired...But when they do perform to expectations, this team is great, the offense flows smoothly, the defense looks awesome...I think (and I hope) that that's the Laker team we'll see EVERY night come playoff time. I believe they'll have everything together by then, enough so that they wont get into those slumps they've currently been getting into...Kobe trusts his teammates, it's just that sometimes they don't trust themselves...It will all be balanced come playoff time..."i guarentee u."
i just dont know where u get this "Kobe is the best perimieter defender in the league"? Ive never heard that come out of ONE persons mouth around the league. The players dont think that, the coaches dont think that, the media doesnt think that...nobody does. U honestly think he'll be all defensive first team this year? lol I doubt it.
“I think Kobe is the best perimeter defender in the league…”
-NBA Analyst David DuPree
Probably not 1st....2nd....or 3rd. As for Jordan, youre right Jordan did get burned some. But it wasnt the same as Kobe. I see Kobe quit on defense a LOT. Jordan got burned some, but if u watched those games back in the day youd also see how Jordan played alot of his D. He was the first person i saw to actually allow his player to get by him just a little, so he could swat the ball from behind on a 10 foot jumper. This isnt to say that Lebron has the best D either, he needs to work on his also. He's young, so hopefully he'll figure it out. As far as Kobe's teammates not trusting themselves. That goes both ways. They need confidence....obviously. But part of that confidence comes from Kobe. The opinion around the league has been that in order for this team to win, Kobe will have to learn to trust his teammates. And, at the same time...his teammates will have to come through when he does give them the ball. Right now, u can tell neither of those are happening. We could go back and forth forever on whos to blame. You can say Kobe doesnt have confidence in his teammates cus they dont knock down shots, so thats why he doesnt give up the ball more. I can say that his teammates have no confidence because they get the ball so little, that they have no chance to get into the rhythm of the game. I think both Kobe AND his teammates need to adjust. When their offense looks so stagnant, i dont blame only Kobe...but i also dont blame only his teammates. At some point he needs to just trust them, if they miss shots...they miss shots. But he cant try to do everything on offense or else the rest of team will NEVER grow. Players learn from their own mistakes in the game. Dont u think, that in Kobe's early years when he had those fuckups in the playoffs, and his game looked so immature at times, it actually helped him in the long run? Im guessing he looks at it that way, which means he needs to see that in these players and let them grow. Right now, they all suck man. But remember, no one has confidence in them. The media doesnt, other teams dont respect them, their own teammate (the star of their team) doesnt, and i dont even think the coach does all that much.
LMAO. You've gotta be joking. You HONESTLY don't think Kobe's gunna make AT LEAST All-Defensive 3rd team? LOLOLOL. I'll mark you on that one buddy...And the thing I'm saying is KOBE DOES SET HIS TEAMMATES UP. This is how I know you don't watch Laker games, he ALWAYS dishes it out for open looks, outside AND underneath. I can't believe you can say Kobe doesn't respect his teammates, that's straight up disgusting. It's just that with this team, their confidence is up and down, they're not grounded yet. So sometimes when he gets them those open looks, they don't convert, and it doesn't always show up in Kobe's assist column. Do you only read the box score?...Kobe can easily average 7-10 assists a night if his teammates were more consistant. It's hit-and-miss, shit, the Lakers were lucky they won tonight...But I bet you anything that they're gunna come out firing Sunday in Detroit...PeACe
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It's kinda sad to me cause i've always thought Pippen was a smart player who actually knew how to defend. But what he said about Kobe's 81 points performance is 100% hate. He have no points at all. He blamed the new rules, but fuck it. Like i said zonal defence is way more deadly that phisical defence for a guard. Toronto defended man-to-man, then they doubled Kobe, then they used big guys against him trying to contest his jumpshots, they even tried zonal defence. But nothing worked. You gotta give Kobe credits for that performance. If you want to blame the new (?) rules, do it in another article. Shit, that's horrible to me. Pippen used to be like a hero for me, cause he was a true defender, and i love defenders. But his comments was straight bullshit. He lost all his credits to me. What's the next step? To diss Tex Winter cause he placed Kobe in his All-Winter Team instead of Jordan? To diss Phil cause he said that that performance was something Jordan has never done in his career in a single match? To diss Buss cause he chosed Bryant over Shaq?
ToNe is gunna come in here and say something along the lines of "No one hates on Kobe! It's all in the Laker fans minds. You guys are paranoid, everyone loves Kobe...I've never seen Kobe getting hated on."...Just watch. LOL.
U act as if theres this huge group of people on here that arent Laker fans...that agree with u lol. You are obviously going to be biased...youre a Kobe fan. Like i said, you would defend this guy if he raped your mom. Like i said, u have this double standard. You cant call anyone who makes a negative comment about Kobe a hater...and at the same time claim you arent a dickrider for acting as if he's perfect. Its one or the other....either the people who say negative things are haters, and you and others like you are dickriders. OR, they arent haters...and you arent a dickrider. One or the other, chose. Ive had a million posts saying something positive about this guy, AND something negative....and all you can come up with is "youre a Kobe hater" LOL. Thats 12 yr old man. Id expect it from that "Wow im really gay cus i have my favorite ball player as my screename" kid....but cmon NIK, you should know better.
I am not biased, at least not completely...When I see flaws in Kobe's game I point 'em out...Just like when he was shooting a low percentage 3ball earlier in the season, I said he should work on it. Not surprisingly, his 3P% has risen since then. I don't think Kobe is perfect, I just think he's the closest thing on the court to perfect. But nobody's really perfect...are they? You guys are haters beause if LeBron scored 81, you'd be the first ones to say "Kobe would've never been able to do this", "LeBron will definitely surpass Jordan", and all sorts of stupid shit like that...Since it's Kobe, you HAVE to find a way to give the accomplishment less credit than it really deserves...It never fails to amaze me, never...PeACe
u act like im really into Lebron lol. i dont see lebron scoring 81 ever....but i also dont see him shooting that much to score 81. he isnt that kind of player, he scores...but still likes to get his teammates involved. I dont know who will surpass Jordan, or if anyone will for decades. But like i said before, Lebron isnt comparible to Jordan....Kobe either. Jordan had the offensive ability of Kobe, but far better defense. And he had the ability to make his teammates better like Lebron. Like ive said, u seen me give kobe props on different aspects of his game a million times....but that doesnt mean i wont say whats wrong with his game also. Obviously, like you agreed, he's not perfect. I dont think he's the closest thing to perfect in the league by ANY means. But i dont think any one player is. They all play slightly different. if you want to say Kobe is the best scorer in the league, u might have an argument. But is he the best leader? Not close. Is he the best defender? Definetely not. So theres noway to say whos "closest to perfect". Ill give u this...he's the closest thing to perfect on the Lakers ;D
See, this is where you're wrong. If LeBron likes to get his teammates involved, Kobe LOVES to get his teammates involved. It's just that Kobe's teammates DON'T. Kobe gets them touches, shit, even if you watched the 81 point game, he was setting everyone up for easy looks. And as for his defense defenitely not being the best in the league, well, Jordan wasn't even the best defender on his team. He had Pippen for SO MUCH defensive help. Plus, Kobe is the best perimiter defender in the league, so yes, his defense is as good as it has to be... It's obvious to me that you haven't payed close attention to Kobe's growth as a player in the NBA. It's pretty obvious to me that you base your opinion on ESPN highlights and analysts. Oh yea, lets not forget Sir Charles...I know that deep down inside you know exactly what I mean...PeACe
lol ive probably watched as many laker games as you have this year man. Kobe's "growth" isnt evident in his defense at ALL. I dont know where u get this idea that he's a great defender lol. But ive watched this guy on defense probably more then ive watched his offense. Ive seen him quit on so many plays on D man, and he gets burned....ALOT. Its well known around the league that he isnt considered a great defender. Jordan had Pippen, but Jordan himself was regarded as one of the best defenders in the league. there were years where many considered him the best defensive AND best offensive player in the league. So you cant compare the two at all. Plus, other then those two...they never had any amazing defensive stoppers until Rodman came along. The rest of the team was just role players who only shined because of Jordan. Once he was out of the league...they ALL disappeared. Even Pippen was nowhere NEAR the same player. And cmon man...youre going to tell me that Kobe likes to get his teammates involved more then Lebron? LOL Thats possibly the stupidest comment ive ever heard on this board regarding kobe. I cant even imagine Kobe himself saying somethin so stupid lol. Coaches biggest concern about Lebron since he's been in the league was that he would be TOO unselfish. They wanted him to be more selfish and look for his own shot more. Kobe hasnt exactly had any problem with being selfish since he missed those airballs in the playoffs at the beginning of his career lol. The man loves to shoot...he loves to have his name at the top of the boxscore. Unfortunately for LA, they wont win a championship with this lopsided shit. U say his teammates dont come through...but at the beginning of the year you kept arguing how they have all this talent. how Odom is an all star....etc..etc. Ontop of that, Phil was the "greatest coach ever". Kobe is the so called on court leader of this team. So let me get this strait....they had talent around Kobe, they have the greatest coach ever...Kobe "loves" (lol) to get his teammates involved...but it isnt working. So whos fault is that? The talent u said they had? The coach? Kobe? If the players arent making shots...maybe Kobe should be getting them the ball with more of an opportunity to succeed. Thats what a great player does. He can shoot all he wants, but if he doesnt trust his teammates...he will never win, i guarentee u.
First of all, I doubt you've seen as many Laker games as me this year unless you've seen every single one...Shit, I've even been to a few games this season already, 2 of them being road games. I don't worship Kobe like you think, I'm simply a fan, a fan who's proud of having the greatest player in the world on his team. Kobe's D is great, yes, he gets burned sometimes, but WTF? Everyone does, especially guards. Jordan got burned ALL the time, Pippen was just there to bail him out on D. It made Jordan look good...When a guard passes Kobe, we have no one to stop the ball. With that being said, Kobe is still the best perimiter defender in the league. He stops the ball a lot, more than any other shooting guard, especially when playoff time comes...LeBron is a passer, yes, but sometimes I see Sasha hitting a 3 or Bynum dunking on someone, and this great big smile lights up on Kobe's face, like he's the happiest person in the world when his teammates start to fall into place and play like Phil wants them to. He loves it, he loves when the Lakers are balanced. LeBron, of course, is more of a passer, but I still think Kobe loves seeing his players develop together with him more than anyone in the league...We have a strong team here, I said it and I'll say it again, but they aren't very consistant. They tend to forget their places on the floor, they tend to get into these slumps, they tend to defer to Kobe when they're tired...But when they do perform to expectations, this team is great, the offense flows smoothly, the defense looks awesome...I think (and I hope) that that's the Laker team we'll see EVERY night come playoff time. I believe they'll have everything together by then, enough so that they wont get into those slumps they've currently been getting into...Kobe trusts his teammates, it's just that sometimes they don't trust themselves...It will all be balanced come playoff time..."i guarentee u."
i just dont know where u get this "Kobe is the best perimieter defender in the league"? Ive never heard that come out of ONE persons mouth around the league. The players dont think that, the coaches dont think that, the media doesnt think that...nobody does. U honestly think he'll be all defensive first team this year? lol I doubt it.
“I think Kobe is the best perimeter defender in the league…”
-NBA Analyst David DuPree
Probably not 1st....2nd....or 3rd. As for Jordan, youre right Jordan did get burned some. But it wasnt the same as Kobe. I see Kobe quit on defense a LOT. Jordan got burned some, but if u watched those games back in the day youd also see how Jordan played alot of his D. He was the first person i saw to actually allow his player to get by him just a little, so he could swat the ball from behind on a 10 foot jumper. This isnt to say that Lebron has the best D either, he needs to work on his also. He's young, so hopefully he'll figure it out. As far as Kobe's teammates not trusting themselves. That goes both ways. They need confidence....obviously. But part of that confidence comes from Kobe. The opinion around the league has been that in order for this team to win, Kobe will have to learn to trust his teammates. And, at the same time...his teammates will have to come through when he does give them the ball. Right now, u can tell neither of those are happening. We could go back and forth forever on whos to blame. You can say Kobe doesnt have confidence in his teammates cus they dont knock down shots, so thats why he doesnt give up the ball more. I can say that his teammates have no confidence because they get the ball so little, that they have no chance to get into the rhythm of the game. I think both Kobe AND his teammates need to adjust. When their offense looks so stagnant, i dont blame only Kobe...but i also dont blame only his teammates. At some point he needs to just trust them, if they miss shots...they miss shots. But he cant try to do everything on offense or else the rest of team will NEVER grow. Players learn from their own mistakes in the game. Dont u think, that in Kobe's early years when he had those fuckups in the playoffs, and his game looked so immature at times, it actually helped him in the long run? Im guessing he looks at it that way, which means he needs to see that in these players and let them grow. Right now, they all suck man. But remember, no one has confidence in them. The media doesnt, other teams dont respect them, their own teammate (the star of their team) doesnt, and i dont even think the coach does all that much.
LMAO. You've gotta be joking. You HONESTLY don't think Kobe's gunna make AT LEAST All-Defensive 3rd team? LOLOLOL. I'll mark you on that one buddy...And the thing I'm saying is KOBE DOES SET HIS TEAMMATES UP. This is how I know you don't watch Laker games, he ALWAYS dishes it out for open looks, outside AND underneath. I can't believe you can say Kobe doesn't respect his teammates, that's straight up disgusting. It's just that with this team, their confidence is up and down, they're not grounded yet. So sometimes when he gets them those open looks, they don't convert, and it doesn't always show up in Kobe's assist column. Do you only read the box score?...Kobe can easily average 7-10 assists a night if his teammates were more consistant. It's hit-and-miss, shit, the Lakers were lucky they won tonight...But I bet you anything that they're gunna come out firing Sunday in Detroit...PeACe
Ive watched a ton of Laker games this season actually man. More then normal. Mostly since i got that damn league pass shit...and i dont always get home in time to see the early games. Lakers play most of their games at 7:30. But yeah, from what ive seen...its exactly what i say. Its not to say he NEVER passes the ball. But he isnt that great at getting his teammates the ball in situations to succeed. Sometimes yeah, but most the time, no. Like Doug Collins said during one of the Laker games.."the difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Lebron sees the floor a little bit better the Kobe". It isnt about getting assists, its about winning games. I agree, his teammates need to be more dependable. But if i agree on that, u gotta agree with the fact that Kobe needs to trust them more also. Im not sayin im the only one thats right here, im sayin that they go hand in hand. kobe trusting his teammates more, leads to them having more confidence. His teammates knocking down shots, leads to Kobe trusting them more. See? The only reason i put more of it on Kobe is because its his team. He's supposed to be the leader. If u have 7 other guys whos confidence is low, and one other guy who is supposed to be the leader. Why do u blame the 7...and not the 1? they look to him to be the example. Not the example of how to score but the example of how to win. Right now, hes the offense. Thats not how to win. I hate to use Duncan as an example, but why not. He's obviously a superstar in the league, and considered one of the best players in the league. If not the best, depends on who u ask. But he can have a 14 point, 13 reb. night...and its fine. He wont care, as long as they win. He knows he can get his shot off if he wants. He knows he can take almost any forward in the league. But running the offense wins games more then letting Duncan go one on one for 48 minutes. I know, he has better players around him. But those guys are far better for playing with him. U see how unselfish the whole team is. Thats a result of seeing your superstar be the same way.
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Another proof that Kobe is the MVP: after the 81-points game he had to have a quiet night, sharing the ball, getting his teammates involved, etc.. And he did it! He made just 5 points in the first 3 quarters of the game, but he had 8 assists, and he played good defence. But Lakers were down by 7 with 5 minutes to play in the 4th. So he stepped up, making the clutch shots, forcing the game to OT and winning it with 9 wonderful clutch points. No fucking doubt, he's the MVP.
"Kobe is always a factor in the game," Lakers guard Smush Parker said. "I don't think Golden State stopped him from scoring the ball. He just got other guys involved in the offense. It was a game Kobe didn't have to force the game until late."
"I just tried to minimize him," said Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus, who had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bryant. "I know now he is a great legend. I tried not to get swept up in the game early".
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Another proof that Kobe is the MVP: after the 81-points game he had to have a quiet night, sharing the ball, getting his teammates involved, etc.. And he did it! He made just 5 points in the first 3 quarters of the game, but he had 8 assists, and he played good defence. But Lakers were down by 7 with 5 minutes to play in the 4th. So he stepped up, making the clutch shots, forcing the game to OT and winning it with 9 wonderful clutch points. No fucking doubt, he's the MVP.
"Kobe is always a factor in the game," Lakers guard Smush Parker said. "I don't think Golden State stopped him from scoring the ball. He just got other guys involved in the offense. It was a game Kobe didn't have to force the game until late."
"I just tried to minimize him," said Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus, who had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bryant. "I know now he is a great legend. I tried not to get swept up in the game early".
yeah he had a good game. this is more the kind of game he should play. not the, shoot everytime i touch the ball whether its a smart shot or not offense. I still dont know about that MVP thing. I say he's in the running for sure. But his teams weakness might hurt his chances. I mean, the Lakers arent exactly burnin it up and its hard to get MVP when youre on an average team. Also...we're only at the halfway point. theres a ton of ball left to play. What if the Lakers end up missing the playoffs...then he wouldnt even be in the running. So wait till the end of the season to worry about MVP.
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Another proof that Kobe is the MVP: after the 81-points game he had to have a quiet night, sharing the ball, getting his teammates involved, etc.. And he did it! He made just 5 points in the first 3 quarters of the game, but he had 8 assists, and he played good defence. But Lakers were down by 7 with 5 minutes to play in the 4th. So he stepped up, making the clutch shots, forcing the game to OT and winning it with 9 wonderful clutch points. No fucking doubt, he's the MVP.
"Kobe is always a factor in the game," Lakers guard Smush Parker said. "I don't think Golden State stopped him from scoring the ball. He just got other guys involved in the offense. It was a game Kobe didn't have to force the game until late."
"I just tried to minimize him," said Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus, who had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bryant. "I know now he is a great legend. I tried not to get swept up in the game early".
yeah he had a good game. this is more the kind of game he should play. not the, shoot everytime i touch the ball whether its a smart shot or not offense. I still dont know about that MVP thing. I say he's in the running for sure. But his teams weakness might hurt his chances. I mean, the Lakers arent exactly burnin it up and its hard to get MVP when youre on an average team. Also...we're only at the halfway point. theres a ton of ball left to play. What if the Lakers end up missing the playoffs...then he wouldnt even be in the running. So wait till the end of the season to worry about MVP.
Man Lakers were loosing against the Raptors and the Warriors. It's not that Kobe wanted to make an 81-points game in the first place. If he wanted to, he could have attacked the basket from the first minute. But he didn't. He had a "normal" first half of the game. But they were loosing at home against a wack team. So he had to step-up and find a way to win the game. With his performance Lakers outscored the Raptors by almost 40, in the second half of the game. And they won. Same against the Warriors. He shared the ball (8 assists) making just 5 points in the first 3 quarters. But the Lakers were loosing. So he had to step-up again, and he made 25 other points to win the game.
When this team had Horry, Fisher, Shaq, etc, Kobe shared the ball more. Because the other teammates actually were good enought to take some responsabilities and to let him rest. This team ain't good enought. But still Kobe is having an MVP season, imo. Till now, obviously.
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Ive watched a ton of Laker games this season actually man. More then normal. Mostly since i got that damn league pass shit...and i dont always get home in time to see the early games. Lakers play most of their games at 7:30. But yeah, from what ive seen...its exactly what i say. Its not to say he NEVER passes the ball. But he isnt that great at getting his teammates the ball in situations to succeed. Sometimes yeah, but most the time, no. Like Doug Collins said during one of the Laker games.."the difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Lebron sees the floor a little bit better the Kobe". It isnt about getting assists, its about winning games. I agree, his teammates need to be more dependable. But if i agree on that, u gotta agree with the fact that Kobe needs to trust them more also. Im not sayin im the only one thats right here, im sayin that they go hand in hand. kobe trusting his teammates more, leads to them having more confidence. His teammates knocking down shots, leads to Kobe trusting them more. See? The only reason i put more of it on Kobe is because its his team. He's supposed to be the leader. If u have 7 other guys whos confidence is low, and one other guy who is supposed to be the leader. Why do u blame the 7...and not the 1? they look to him to be the example. Not the example of how to score but the example of how to win. Right now, hes the offense. Thats not how to win. I hate to use Duncan as an example, but why not. He's obviously a superstar in the league, and considered one of the best players in the league. If not the best, depends on who u ask. But he can have a 14 point, 13 reb. night...and its fine. He wont care, as long as they win. He knows he can get his shot off if he wants. He knows he can take almost any forward in the league. But running the offense wins games more then letting Duncan go one on one for 48 minutes. I know, he has better players around him. But those guys are far better for playing with him. U see how unselfish the whole team is. Thats a result of seeing your superstar be the same way.
Wrong...He gets his players the ball...They knock it down, he looks good, they don't, he looks bad...The players play very good for a long stretch, then all of a sudden begin to lag again...It has nothing to do with Kobe, you've completely ignored what I've said in the posts, Kobe can easily average 7-10 assists if his teammates either a.)had the confidence to take the shot or b.)shot a consistant shot to begin with...Remember, they are still currently learning...Kobe will average no less than 5-6 assists in the playoffs, I gaurantee you. Lets take last night vs Golden State for example...Kobe scored 5 points in the first half, and the other Lakers were playing consistant, Kobe was getting them the ball, they were getting involved, hitting shots...They were up at the half. Then the 3rd quarter comes along, the players freeze up and begin playing inconsistant. Kobe's on the bench and nobody's hitting a shot. Kobe comes in, he's still dishing the ball out for good looks, but this time the players aren't hitting...Golden State takes the lead going into the 4th. Beginning of 4th, same thing, everybody's off, inconsistant, trading baskets...Finally, last 6-7 minutes, Kobe single handedly brings them back in the game, knocking the shots ON HIS OWN when it counts, hitting free-throws to send it into OT. Then hits big shots + the game winning shot in the OT...That's why I said it was an ugly win. Kobe had to take over. It shouldn't get to that...By playoff time, it WONT. Lakers will be ready to play how they did in the first half 100% of the time, even better, and this team will be strong, you all will see...
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Another proof that Kobe is the MVP: after the 81-points game he had to have a quiet night, sharing the ball, getting his teammates involved, etc.. And he did it! He made just 5 points in the first 3 quarters of the game, but he had 8 assists, and he played good defence. But Lakers were down by 7 with 5 minutes to play in the 4th. So he stepped up, making the clutch shots, forcing the game to OT and winning it with 9 wonderful clutch points. No fucking doubt, he's the MVP.
"Kobe is always a factor in the game," Lakers guard Smush Parker said. "I don't think Golden State stopped him from scoring the ball. He just got other guys involved in the offense. It was a game Kobe didn't have to force the game until late."
"I just tried to minimize him," said Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus, who had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bryant. "I know now he is a great legend. I tried not to get swept up in the game early".
yeah he had a good game. this is more the kind of game he should play. not the, shoot everytime i touch the ball whether its a smart shot or not offense. I still dont know about that MVP thing. I say he's in the running for sure. But his teams weakness might hurt his chances. I mean, the Lakers arent exactly burnin it up and its hard to get MVP when youre on an average team. Also...we're only at the halfway point. theres a ton of ball left to play. What if the Lakers end up missing the playoffs...then he wouldnt even be in the running. So wait till the end of the season to worry about MVP.
Well, so far, he is number 1 in the MVP runnings...Almost every analyst and/or announcer I've heard is saying Kobe is currently the MVP. That's what we're basing it on...Who knows what will happen in the future? No one...So we go based on what we see...Speaking of MVP, wow, is LeBron a choke. Weren't you one of the people saying LeBron>Kobe? LMAOOOO. Yea, LeBron airballed a clutch free-throw to put the game away yesterday vs. Indiana...Then on the next play, coach had to bring Ilgauskas in, so he can get the ball and actually MAKE free-throws. What an embarassment...Had this happened to Kobe, it woulda' been a huge story in the media, ESPN would have it as their headlines, everyone would be bashing him...But shit like that goes unheard of because it's "King" James...LOL. Bottom line is, Kobe=MVP so far...PeACe
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Another proof that Kobe is the MVP: after the 81-points game he had to have a quiet night, sharing the ball, getting his teammates involved, etc.. And he did it! He made just 5 points in the first 3 quarters of the game, but he had 8 assists, and he played good defence. But Lakers were down by 7 with 5 minutes to play in the 4th. So he stepped up, making the clutch shots, forcing the game to OT and winning it with 9 wonderful clutch points. No fucking doubt, he's the MVP.
"Kobe is always a factor in the game," Lakers guard Smush Parker said. "I don't think Golden State stopped him from scoring the ball. He just got other guys involved in the offense. It was a game Kobe didn't have to force the game until late."
"I just tried to minimize him," said Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus, who had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bryant. "I know now he is a great legend. I tried not to get swept up in the game early".
yeah he had a good game. this is more the kind of game he should play. not the, shoot everytime i touch the ball whether its a smart shot or not offense. I still dont know about that MVP thing. I say he's in the running for sure. But his teams weakness might hurt his chances. I mean, the Lakers arent exactly burnin it up and its hard to get MVP when youre on an average team. Also...we're only at the halfway point. theres a ton of ball left to play. What if the Lakers end up missing the playoffs...then he wouldnt even be in the running. So wait till the end of the season to worry about MVP.
Man Lakers were loosing against the Raptors and the Warriors. It's not that Kobe wanted to make an 81-points game in the first place. If he wanted to, he could have attacked the basket from the first minute. But he didn't. He had a "normal" first half of the game. But they were loosing at home against a wack team. So he had to step-up and find a way to win the game. With his performance Lakers outscored the Raptors by almost 40, in the second half of the game. And they won. Same against the Warriors. He shared the ball (8 assists) making just 5 points in the first 3 quarters. But the Lakers were loosing. So he had to step-up again, and he made 25 other points to win the game.
When this team had Horry, Fisher, Shaq, etc, Kobe shared the ball more. Because the other teammates actually were good enought to take some responsabilities and to let him rest. This team ain't good enought. But still Kobe is having an MVP season, imo. Till now, obviously.
Well, I think you're wrong in saying "this team ain't good enough"...I think they're good enough, they have shown flashes of excellence, they just are consistant (<<this is the word you're looking for) enough...yet. You know what I mean?
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Ive watched a ton of Laker games this season actually man. More then normal. Mostly since i got that damn league pass shit...and i dont always get home in time to see the early games. Lakers play most of their games at 7:30. But yeah, from what ive seen...its exactly what i say. Its not to say he NEVER passes the ball. But he isnt that great at getting his teammates the ball in situations to succeed. Sometimes yeah, but most the time, no. Like Doug Collins said during one of the Laker games.."the difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Lebron sees the floor a little bit better the Kobe". It isnt about getting assists, its about winning games. I agree, his teammates need to be more dependable. But if i agree on that, u gotta agree with the fact that Kobe needs to trust them more also. Im not sayin im the only one thats right here, im sayin that they go hand in hand. kobe trusting his teammates more, leads to them having more confidence. His teammates knocking down shots, leads to Kobe trusting them more. See? The only reason i put more of it on Kobe is because its his team. He's supposed to be the leader. If u have 7 other guys whos confidence is low, and one other guy who is supposed to be the leader. Why do u blame the 7...and not the 1? they look to him to be the example. Not the example of how to score but the example of how to win. Right now, hes the offense. Thats not how to win. I hate to use Duncan as an example, but why not. He's obviously a superstar in the league, and considered one of the best players in the league. If not the best, depends on who u ask. But he can have a 14 point, 13 reb. night...and its fine. He wont care, as long as they win. He knows he can get his shot off if he wants. He knows he can take almost any forward in the league. But running the offense wins games more then letting Duncan go one on one for 48 minutes. I know, he has better players around him. But those guys are far better for playing with him. U see how unselfish the whole team is. Thats a result of seeing your superstar be the same way.
Wrong...He gets his players the ball...They knock it down, he looks good, they don't, he looks bad...The players play very good for a long stretch, then all of a sudden begin to lag again...It has nothing to do with Kobe, you've completely ignored what I've said in the posts, Kobe can easily average 7-10 assists if his teammates either a.)had the confidence to take the shot or b.)shot a consistant shot to begin with...Remember, they are still currently learning...Kobe will average no less than 5-6 assists in the playoffs, I gaurantee you. Lets take last night vs Golden State for example...Kobe scored 5 points in the first half, and the other Lakers were playing consistant, Kobe was getting them the ball, they were getting involved, hitting shots...They were up at the half. Then the 3rd quarter comes along, the players freeze up and begin playing inconsistant. Kobe's on the bench and nobody's hitting a shot. Kobe comes in, he's still dishing the ball out for good looks, but this time the players aren't hitting...Golden State takes the lead going into the 4th. Beginning of 4th, same thing, everybody's off, inconsistant, trading baskets...Finally, last 6-7 minutes, Kobe single handedly brings them back in the game, knocking the shots ON HIS OWN when it counts, hitting free-throws to send it into OT. Then hits big shots + the game winning shot in the OT...That's why I said it was an ugly win. Kobe had to take over. It shouldn't get to that...By playoff time, it WONT. Lakers will be ready to play how they did in the first half 100% of the time, even better, and this team will be strong, you all will see...
My point was reiterated last night by your own Stu Lance. he said that Phil might need to let these guys (the role players) take their lumps and learn from their mistakes. Saying that they will only learn on the court. Thats what it is im saying man. Kobe needs to let these guys grow. Him holding their hand and shooting so much might help them win a game, but it wont help his teammates mature and grow on the court. The result, they will stay an average team. They will win some games just on Kobe carrying them...but they wont get over that hump because the rest of the guys wont learn to take some innitiative. Thats why i was saying it would be a good thing when Kobe was out on suspension. but 2 games wasnt really enough to get these guys to gain confidence in their own game. You say Kobe is the leader...but then u dont agree that he should be LEADING. Part of being a leader is instilling confidence in your teammates. These guys have a real fragile psyche almost. When the teams star shows that he's confident in you, it makes u confident. I dont mean JUST giving them the ball for wideopen jumpers. I also mean, giving it up to them and tellin them..."do your thing". You dont see that here so much. I know what youre gonna say..."kobe hi fives players when they do good...etc". But if you werent a Laker fan, youd see what im saying. Go back to the way Magic really pushed Vlade when he first hit the league. Remember how timid he was? How he had almost no confidence in his game. He really blossomed as a result of Magics help. Thats what Kobe needs to do with these guys if he wants to be considered a great leader. Right now its obvious, his leadership skills are questionable at best. Other then for u Laker fans.
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Another proof that Kobe is the MVP: after the 81-points game he had to have a quiet night, sharing the ball, getting his teammates involved, etc.. And he did it! He made just 5 points in the first 3 quarters of the game, but he had 8 assists, and he played good defence. But Lakers were down by 7 with 5 minutes to play in the 4th. So he stepped up, making the clutch shots, forcing the game to OT and winning it with 9 wonderful clutch points. No fucking doubt, he's the MVP.
"Kobe is always a factor in the game," Lakers guard Smush Parker said. "I don't think Golden State stopped him from scoring the ball. He just got other guys involved in the offense. It was a game Kobe didn't have to force the game until late."
"I just tried to minimize him," said Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus, who had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bryant. "I know now he is a great legend. I tried not to get swept up in the game early".
yeah he had a good game. this is more the kind of game he should play. not the, shoot everytime i touch the ball whether its a smart shot or not offense. I still dont know about that MVP thing. I say he's in the running for sure. But his teams weakness might hurt his chances. I mean, the Lakers arent exactly burnin it up and its hard to get MVP when youre on an average team. Also...we're only at the halfway point. theres a ton of ball left to play. What if the Lakers end up missing the playoffs...then he wouldnt even be in the running. So wait till the end of the season to worry about MVP.
Man Lakers were loosing against the Raptors and the Warriors. It's not that Kobe wanted to make an 81-points game in the first place. If he wanted to, he could have attacked the basket from the first minute. But he didn't. He had a "normal" first half of the game. But they were loosing at home against a wack team. So he had to step-up and find a way to win the game. With his performance Lakers outscored the Raptors by almost 40, in the second half of the game. And they won. Same against the Warriors. He shared the ball (8 assists) making just 5 points in the first 3 quarters. But the Lakers were loosing. So he had to step-up again, and he made 25 other points to win the game.
When this team had Horry, Fisher, Shaq, etc, Kobe shared the ball more. Because the other teammates actually were good enought to take some responsabilities and to let him rest. This team ain't good enought. But still Kobe is having an MVP season, imo. Till now, obviously.
Well, I think you're wrong in saying "this team ain't good enough"...I think they're good enough, they have shown flashes of excellence, they just are consistant (<<this is the word you're looking for) enough...yet. You know what I mean?
Yeah, the team is good. I mean it's a defensive-minded team, and you win championships with defence. So it's not that bad. But this team lacks a 2nd scorer option. I criticized Odom and Brown because i thought they could have been the 2nd option. Matter of fact they ain't. When it's Mihm (in the last 8-9 games), something is wrong. I've accepted both Odom and Brown because of their defensive effort, but we still miss a scorer. Which ain't that hard to find. It's harder to find big bodies who can defend, and a player like Odom who can do everything then to find just a scorer. I hope we could sign one in the next summer. Cause that way we will really be contenders. In a single game i think we can beat everybody. But it's in a serie i think we will miss that offensive option.
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Another proof that Kobe is the MVP: after the 81-points game he had to have a quiet night, sharing the ball, getting his teammates involved, etc.. And he did it! He made just 5 points in the first 3 quarters of the game, but he had 8 assists, and he played good defence. But Lakers were down by 7 with 5 minutes to play in the 4th. So he stepped up, making the clutch shots, forcing the game to OT and winning it with 9 wonderful clutch points. No fucking doubt, he's the MVP.
"Kobe is always a factor in the game," Lakers guard Smush Parker said. "I don't think Golden State stopped him from scoring the ball. He just got other guys involved in the offense. It was a game Kobe didn't have to force the game until late."
"I just tried to minimize him," said Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus, who had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bryant. "I know now he is a great legend. I tried not to get swept up in the game early".
yeah he had a good game. this is more the kind of game he should play. not the, shoot everytime i touch the ball whether its a smart shot or not offense. I still dont know about that MVP thing. I say he's in the running for sure. But his teams weakness might hurt his chances. I mean, the Lakers arent exactly burnin it up and its hard to get MVP when youre on an average team. Also...we're only at the halfway point. theres a ton of ball left to play. What if the Lakers end up missing the playoffs...then he wouldnt even be in the running. So wait till the end of the season to worry about MVP.
Well, so far, he is number 1 in the MVP runnings...Almost every analyst and/or announcer I've heard is saying Kobe is currently the MVP. That's what we're basing it on...Who knows what will happen in the future? No one...So we go based on what we see...Speaking of MVP, wow, is LeBron a choke. Weren't you one of the people saying LeBron>Kobe? LMAOOOO. Yea, LeBron airballed a clutch free-throw to put the game away yesterday vs. Indiana...Then on the next play, coach had to bring Ilgauskas in, so he can get the ball and actually MAKE free-throws. What an embarassment...Had this happened to Kobe, it woulda' been a huge story in the media, ESPN would have it as their headlines, everyone would be bashing him...But shit like that goes unheard of because it's "King" James...LOL. Bottom line is, Kobe=MVP so far...PeACe
where do u get "almost every analyst and/or announcer" is taking Kobe right now? LOL ive heard Billups and Dirks name mentioned as much if not more. Most people are saying that Kobe's offensively play over the last month has been amazing, but his team being so weak is going to hurt him. He is the leader of his team...and his team sucks. That usually doesnt win u an MVP.
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Best Player in the League ---- Kobe Bryant
MVP of the League ----- Chauncey Billups/Steve Nash
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that is what i've heard from most announcers and i agree with that
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Another proof that Kobe is the MVP: after the 81-points game he had to have a quiet night, sharing the ball, getting his teammates involved, etc.. And he did it! He made just 5 points in the first 3 quarters of the game, but he had 8 assists, and he played good defence. But Lakers were down by 7 with 5 minutes to play in the 4th. So he stepped up, making the clutch shots, forcing the game to OT and winning it with 9 wonderful clutch points. No fucking doubt, he's the MVP.
"Kobe is always a factor in the game," Lakers guard Smush Parker said. "I don't think Golden State stopped him from scoring the ball. He just got other guys involved in the offense. It was a game Kobe didn't have to force the game until late."
"I just tried to minimize him," said Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus, who had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bryant. "I know now he is a great legend. I tried not to get swept up in the game early".
yeah he had a good game. this is more the kind of game he should play. not the, shoot everytime i touch the ball whether its a smart shot or not offense. I still dont know about that MVP thing. I say he's in the running for sure. But his teams weakness might hurt his chances. I mean, the Lakers arent exactly burnin it up and its hard to get MVP when youre on an average team. Also...we're only at the halfway point. theres a ton of ball left to play. What if the Lakers end up missing the playoffs...then he wouldnt even be in the running. So wait till the end of the season to worry about MVP.
Man Lakers were loosing against the Raptors and the Warriors. It's not that Kobe wanted to make an 81-points game in the first place. If he wanted to, he could have attacked the basket from the first minute. But he didn't. He had a "normal" first half of the game. But they were loosing at home against a wack team. So he had to step-up and find a way to win the game. With his performance Lakers outscored the Raptors by almost 40, in the second half of the game. And they won. Same against the Warriors. He shared the ball (8 assists) making just 5 points in the first 3 quarters. But the Lakers were loosing. So he had to step-up again, and he made 25 other points to win the game.
When this team had Horry, Fisher, Shaq, etc, Kobe shared the ball more. Because the other teammates actually were good enought to take some responsabilities and to let him rest. This team ain't good enought. But still Kobe is having an MVP season, imo. Till now, obviously.
Well, I think you're wrong in saying "this team ain't good enough"...I think they're good enough, they have shown flashes of excellence, they just are consistant (<<this is the word you're looking for) enough...yet. You know what I mean?
Flashes of EXCELLENCE?! LOL! Try flashes of being alive. When they play great, theyre an above average team. When they play bad, theyre terrible. I havent seen any "excellence" out of them man. Not too mention, EVERY team has moments where they look good...and then its back to who they really are. Shit, the Hawks beat us. Does that mean they have all the potential in the world now...no. They had a moment where they played way better then they are. There are only 2 or 3 teams n the league right now u can call consistent. But youre acting like the Lakers are the Heat. As if when the lakers get "consistent" theyll be contenders. Theyll just be consistently knocked out in the first round of the playoffs ;D
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Ive watched a ton of Laker games this season actually man. More then normal. Mostly since i got that damn league pass shit...and i dont always get home in time to see the early games. Lakers play most of their games at 7:30. But yeah, from what ive seen...its exactly what i say. Its not to say he NEVER passes the ball. But he isnt that great at getting his teammates the ball in situations to succeed. Sometimes yeah, but most the time, no. Like Doug Collins said during one of the Laker games.."the difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Lebron sees the floor a little bit better the Kobe". It isnt about getting assists, its about winning games. I agree, his teammates need to be more dependable. But if i agree on that, u gotta agree with the fact that Kobe needs to trust them more also. Im not sayin im the only one thats right here, im sayin that they go hand in hand. kobe trusting his teammates more, leads to them having more confidence. His teammates knocking down shots, leads to Kobe trusting them more. See? The only reason i put more of it on Kobe is because its his team. He's supposed to be the leader. If u have 7 other guys whos confidence is low, and one other guy who is supposed to be the leader. Why do u blame the 7...and not the 1? they look to him to be the example. Not the example of how to score but the example of how to win. Right now, hes the offense. Thats not how to win. I hate to use Duncan as an example, but why not. He's obviously a superstar in the league, and considered one of the best players in the league. If not the best, depends on who u ask. But he can have a 14 point, 13 reb. night...and its fine. He wont care, as long as they win. He knows he can get his shot off if he wants. He knows he can take almost any forward in the league. But running the offense wins games more then letting Duncan go one on one for 48 minutes. I know, he has better players around him. But those guys are far better for playing with him. U see how unselfish the whole team is. Thats a result of seeing your superstar be the same way.
Wrong...He gets his players the ball...They knock it down, he looks good, they don't, he looks bad...The players play very good for a long stretch, then all of a sudden begin to lag again...It has nothing to do with Kobe, you've completely ignored what I've said in the posts, Kobe can easily average 7-10 assists if his teammates either a.)had the confidence to take the shot or b.)shot a consistant shot to begin with...Remember, they are still currently learning...Kobe will average no less than 5-6 assists in the playoffs, I gaurantee you. Lets take last night vs Golden State for example...Kobe scored 5 points in the first half, and the other Lakers were playing consistant, Kobe was getting them the ball, they were getting involved, hitting shots...They were up at the half. Then the 3rd quarter comes along, the players freeze up and begin playing inconsistant. Kobe's on the bench and nobody's hitting a shot. Kobe comes in, he's still dishing the ball out for good looks, but this time the players aren't hitting...Golden State takes the lead going into the 4th. Beginning of 4th, same thing, everybody's off, inconsistant, trading baskets...Finally, last 6-7 minutes, Kobe single handedly brings them back in the game, knocking the shots ON HIS OWN when it counts, hitting free-throws to send it into OT. Then hits big shots + the game winning shot in the OT...That's why I said it was an ugly win. Kobe had to take over. It shouldn't get to that...By playoff time, it WONT. Lakers will be ready to play how they did in the first half 100% of the time, even better, and this team will be strong, you all will see...
My point was reiterated last night by your own Stu Lance. he said that Phil might need to let these guys (the role players) take their lumps and learn from their mistakes. Saying that they will only learn on the court. Thats what it is im saying man. Kobe needs to let these guys grow. Him holding their hand and shooting so much might help them win a game, but it wont help his teammates mature and grow on the court. The result, they will stay an average team. They will win some games just on Kobe carrying them...but they wont get over that hump because the rest of the guys wont learn to take some innitiative. Thats why i was saying it would be a good thing when Kobe was out on suspension. but 2 games wasnt really enough to get these guys to gain confidence in their own game. You say Kobe is the leader...but then u dont agree that he should be LEADING. Part of being a leader is instilling confidence in your teammates. These guys have a real fragile psyche almost. When the teams star shows that he's confident in you, it makes u confident. I dont mean JUST giving them the ball for wideopen jumpers. I also mean, giving it up to them and tellin them..."do your thing". You dont see that here so much. I know what youre gonna say..."kobe hi fives players when they do good...etc". But if you werent a Laker fan, youd see what im saying. Go back to the way Magic really pushed Vlade when he first hit the league. Remember how timid he was? How he had almost no confidence in his game. He really blossomed as a result of Magics help. Thats what Kobe needs to do with these guys if he wants to be considered a great leader. Right now its obvious, his leadership skills are questionable at best. Other then for u Laker fans.
Kobe Bryant is a fuckin' basketball player, not God...LMAO. What the hell do you expect of him? He DOES push his players, he DOES get the ball to Mihm (the same way he did to Shaq) and lets Mihm create. Odom DOES get many oppurtunities to attack one-on-one. Smush DOES get his touches. Cook DOES get his mid-range jumpers, etc. etc...Kobe does not control the players consistancy, he can put the ball in situations where they can create, but it's up to THEM to actually create...As for Kobe instilling confidence, how many times has Kobe given players like Sasha chances to hit BIG shots at the end of games?...Even today, Lakers were down by twelve with 4 minutes, they were on like a 8-0 run, Kobe drives it in, and decides to pass it out to Sasha for a wide-open 3. Sasha shoots...CLANK!...I mean, how much can Kobe do? On top of that, isn't it Phil Jackson's job to instill confidence in his players? Come on man, you're reaching WAY too far...Kobe is amazing, I know it, but there's only so much you can expect of him...Remember, this team is STILL learning. It took some players YEARS to really understand the triangle. Phil Jackson teams are usually stronger during the second half of the season when everything falls into perspective...And I believe this Lakers team will easily be stronger for the next 41 games...PeACe
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Another proof that Kobe is the MVP: after the 81-points game he had to have a quiet night, sharing the ball, getting his teammates involved, etc.. And he did it! He made just 5 points in the first 3 quarters of the game, but he had 8 assists, and he played good defence. But Lakers were down by 7 with 5 minutes to play in the 4th. So he stepped up, making the clutch shots, forcing the game to OT and winning it with 9 wonderful clutch points. No fucking doubt, he's the MVP.
"Kobe is always a factor in the game," Lakers guard Smush Parker said. "I don't think Golden State stopped him from scoring the ball. He just got other guys involved in the offense. It was a game Kobe didn't have to force the game until late."
"I just tried to minimize him," said Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus, who had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bryant. "I know now he is a great legend. I tried not to get swept up in the game early".
yeah he had a good game. this is more the kind of game he should play. not the, shoot everytime i touch the ball whether its a smart shot or not offense. I still dont know about that MVP thing. I say he's in the running for sure. But his teams weakness might hurt his chances. I mean, the Lakers arent exactly burnin it up and its hard to get MVP when youre on an average team. Also...we're only at the halfway point. theres a ton of ball left to play. What if the Lakers end up missing the playoffs...then he wouldnt even be in the running. So wait till the end of the season to worry about MVP.
Man Lakers were loosing against the Raptors and the Warriors. It's not that Kobe wanted to make an 81-points game in the first place. If he wanted to, he could have attacked the basket from the first minute. But he didn't. He had a "normal" first half of the game. But they were loosing at home against a wack team. So he had to step-up and find a way to win the game. With his performance Lakers outscored the Raptors by almost 40, in the second half of the game. And they won. Same against the Warriors. He shared the ball (8 assists) making just 5 points in the first 3 quarters. But the Lakers were loosing. So he had to step-up again, and he made 25 other points to win the game.
When this team had Horry, Fisher, Shaq, etc, Kobe shared the ball more. Because the other teammates actually were good enought to take some responsabilities and to let him rest. This team ain't good enought. But still Kobe is having an MVP season, imo. Till now, obviously.
Well, I think you're wrong in saying "this team ain't good enough"...I think they're good enough, they have shown flashes of excellence, they just are consistant (<<this is the word you're looking for) enough...yet. You know what I mean?
Yeah, the team is good. I mean it's a defensive-minded team, and you win championships with defence. So it's not that bad. But this team lacks a 2nd scorer option. I criticized Odom and Brown because i thought they could have been the 2nd option. Matter of fact they ain't. When it's Mihm (in the last 8-9 games), something is wrong. I've accepted both Odom and Brown because of their defensive effort, but we still miss a scorer. Which ain't that hard to find. It's harder to find big bodies who can defend, and a player like Odom who can do everything then to find just a scorer. I hope we could sign one in the next summer. Cause that way we will really be contenders. In a single game i think we can beat everybody. But it's in a serie i think we will miss that offensive option.
Yup...Lakers were so worried about putting together a team that could play defense this off-season that they forgot about the offense...I mean, last year it was the other way around. We had offense, but just lacked on defense...In the beginning of the season, I thought Smush was gunna be a really good offensive threat. I also thought that Odom would finally understand his need to score after he made that "I'm gunna average 20" comment...Then we got Mihm, who is also a pretty good offensive player. We have players who CAN be offensive weapons, but it seems to me that sometimes they get so lost withing the triangle, that they're not even thinking about scoring or attacking anymore...This very team can do something, they have what it takes, now can they use it to their advantage? We'll see...
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Another proof that Kobe is the MVP: after the 81-points game he had to have a quiet night, sharing the ball, getting his teammates involved, etc.. And he did it! He made just 5 points in the first 3 quarters of the game, but he had 8 assists, and he played good defence. But Lakers were down by 7 with 5 minutes to play in the 4th. So he stepped up, making the clutch shots, forcing the game to OT and winning it with 9 wonderful clutch points. No fucking doubt, he's the MVP.
"Kobe is always a factor in the game," Lakers guard Smush Parker said. "I don't think Golden State stopped him from scoring the ball. He just got other guys involved in the offense. It was a game Kobe didn't have to force the game until late."
"I just tried to minimize him," said Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus, who had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bryant. "I know now he is a great legend. I tried not to get swept up in the game early".
yeah he had a good game. this is more the kind of game he should play. not the, shoot everytime i touch the ball whether its a smart shot or not offense. I still dont know about that MVP thing. I say he's in the running for sure. But his teams weakness might hurt his chances. I mean, the Lakers arent exactly burnin it up and its hard to get MVP when youre on an average team. Also...we're only at the halfway point. theres a ton of ball left to play. What if the Lakers end up missing the playoffs...then he wouldnt even be in the running. So wait till the end of the season to worry about MVP.
Well, so far, he is number 1 in the MVP runnings...Almost every analyst and/or announcer I've heard is saying Kobe is currently the MVP. That's what we're basing it on...Who knows what will happen in the future? No one...So we go based on what we see...Speaking of MVP, wow, is LeBron a choke. Weren't you one of the people saying LeBron>Kobe? LMAOOOO. Yea, LeBron airballed a clutch free-throw to put the game away yesterday vs. Indiana...Then on the next play, coach had to bring Ilgauskas in, so he can get the ball and actually MAKE free-throws. What an embarassment...Had this happened to Kobe, it woulda' been a huge story in the media, ESPN would have it as their headlines, everyone would be bashing him...But shit like that goes unheard of because it's "King" James...LOL. Bottom line is, Kobe=MVP so far...PeACe
where do u get "almost every analyst and/or announcer" is taking Kobe right now? LOL ive heard Billups and Dirks name mentioned as much if not more. Most people are saying that Kobe's offensively play over the last month has been amazing, but his team being so weak is going to hurt him. He is the leader of his team...and his team sucks. That usually doesnt win u an MVP.
His team sucks? I don't think any playoff team (especially in the west) sucks...You're a fucking hater. At least if you said they weren't that good, but suck? Come on now, most analysts had this Laker team finishing 12 in the west...On top of that, it's silly to deny that Kobe is the name on everyone in the NBA's tongue currently, especially when it comes to MVP talk...
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Another proof that Kobe is the MVP: after the 81-points game he had to have a quiet night, sharing the ball, getting his teammates involved, etc.. And he did it! He made just 5 points in the first 3 quarters of the game, but he had 8 assists, and he played good defence. But Lakers were down by 7 with 5 minutes to play in the 4th. So he stepped up, making the clutch shots, forcing the game to OT and winning it with 9 wonderful clutch points. No fucking doubt, he's the MVP.
"Kobe is always a factor in the game," Lakers guard Smush Parker said. "I don't think Golden State stopped him from scoring the ball. He just got other guys involved in the offense. It was a game Kobe didn't have to force the game until late."
"I just tried to minimize him," said Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus, who had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bryant. "I know now he is a great legend. I tried not to get swept up in the game early".
yeah he had a good game. this is more the kind of game he should play. not the, shoot everytime i touch the ball whether its a smart shot or not offense. I still dont know about that MVP thing. I say he's in the running for sure. But his teams weakness might hurt his chances. I mean, the Lakers arent exactly burnin it up and its hard to get MVP when youre on an average team. Also...we're only at the halfway point. theres a ton of ball left to play. What if the Lakers end up missing the playoffs...then he wouldnt even be in the running. So wait till the end of the season to worry about MVP.
Man Lakers were loosing against the Raptors and the Warriors. It's not that Kobe wanted to make an 81-points game in the first place. If he wanted to, he could have attacked the basket from the first minute. But he didn't. He had a "normal" first half of the game. But they were loosing at home against a wack team. So he had to step-up and find a way to win the game. With his performance Lakers outscored the Raptors by almost 40, in the second half of the game. And they won. Same against the Warriors. He shared the ball (8 assists) making just 5 points in the first 3 quarters. But the Lakers were loosing. So he had to step-up again, and he made 25 other points to win the game.
When this team had Horry, Fisher, Shaq, etc, Kobe shared the ball more. Because the other teammates actually were good enought to take some responsabilities and to let him rest. This team ain't good enought. But still Kobe is having an MVP season, imo. Till now, obviously.
Well, I think you're wrong in saying "this team ain't good enough"...I think they're good enough, they have shown flashes of excellence, they just are consistant (<<this is the word you're looking for) enough...yet. You know what I mean?
Flashes of EXCELLENCE?! LOL! Try flashes of being alive. When they play great, theyre an above average team. When they play bad, theyre terrible. I havent seen any "excellence" out of them man. Not too mention, EVERY team has moments where they look good...and then its back to who they really are. Shit, the Hawks beat us. Does that mean they have all the potential in the world now...no. They had a moment where they played way better then they are. There are only 2 or 3 teams n the league right now u can call consistent. But youre acting like the Lakers are the Heat. As if when the lakers get "consistent" theyll be contenders. Theyll just be consistently knocked out in the first round of the playoffs ;D
You're wrong. When they play at their best, they can't be stopped. Cuz when they play great, they play a well-rounded game, it's not just offense offense offense. It's offense-defense-offense-defense. I've seen them playing amazing this season, something that I didn't see ALL of last season...That's why I believe there's hope for this team to be a successful one. And I don't speak out my ass...
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Another proof that Kobe is the MVP: after the 81-points game he had to have a quiet night, sharing the ball, getting his teammates involved, etc.. And he did it! He made just 5 points in the first 3 quarters of the game, but he had 8 assists, and he played good defence. But Lakers were down by 7 with 5 minutes to play in the 4th. So he stepped up, making the clutch shots, forcing the game to OT and winning it with 9 wonderful clutch points. No fucking doubt, he's the MVP.
"Kobe is always a factor in the game," Lakers guard Smush Parker said. "I don't think Golden State stopped him from scoring the ball. He just got other guys involved in the offense. It was a game Kobe didn't have to force the game until late."
"I just tried to minimize him," said Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus, who had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bryant. "I know now he is a great legend. I tried not to get swept up in the game early".
yeah he had a good game. this is more the kind of game he should play. not the, shoot everytime i touch the ball whether its a smart shot or not offense. I still dont know about that MVP thing. I say he's in the running for sure. But his teams weakness might hurt his chances. I mean, the Lakers arent exactly burnin it up and its hard to get MVP when youre on an average team. Also...we're only at the halfway point. theres a ton of ball left to play. What if the Lakers end up missing the playoffs...then he wouldnt even be in the running. So wait till the end of the season to worry about MVP.
Well, so far, he is number 1 in the MVP runnings...Almost every analyst and/or announcer I've heard is saying Kobe is currently the MVP. That's what we're basing it on...Who knows what will happen in the future? No one...So we go based on what we see...Speaking of MVP, wow, is LeBron a choke. Weren't you one of the people saying LeBron>Kobe? LMAOOOO. Yea, LeBron airballed a clutch free-throw to put the game away yesterday vs. Indiana...Then on the next play, coach had to bring Ilgauskas in, so he can get the ball and actually MAKE free-throws. What an embarassment...Had this happened to Kobe, it woulda' been a huge story in the media, ESPN would have it as their headlines, everyone would be bashing him...But shit like that goes unheard of because it's "King" James...LOL. Bottom line is, Kobe=MVP so far...PeACe
where do u get "almost every analyst and/or announcer" is taking Kobe right now? LOL ive heard Billups and Dirks name mentioned as much if not more. Most people are saying that Kobe's offensively play over the last month has been amazing, but his team being so weak is going to hurt him. He is the leader of his team...and his team sucks. That usually doesnt win u an MVP.
His team sucks? I don't think any playoff team (especially in the west) sucks...You're a fucking hater. At least if you said they weren't that good, but suck? Come on now, most analysts had this Laker team finishing 12 in the west...On top of that, it's silly to deny that Kobe is the name on everyone in the NBA's tongue currently, especially when it comes to MVP talk...
fine, if it makes u feel better...the Lakers arent good. As for the MVP talk, no he isnt the ONE guy on everybodies mind lol. Do u ONLY watch Laker games? Cus ill give u this...if u ask Laker announcers and Jack Haley who's the MVP, yeah Kobe's got that one locked. He's considered by many to be the best offensive player in the game right now. Keyword, right now. Remember that the "whos the best player in the league" debate changes by the month. Since MJ, there hasnt been ONE player that has been the best. Its been this kind of "whos the best right NOW" thing. But having an average at best team hurts u for the MVP race. Steve Nash won last year...i wouldnt consider him one of the top 5 players in the league. But he was considered the Most Valueble PLayer.
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Ive watched a ton of Laker games this season actually man. More then normal. Mostly since i got that damn league pass shit...and i dont always get home in time to see the early games. Lakers play most of their games at 7:30. But yeah, from what ive seen...its exactly what i say. Its not to say he NEVER passes the ball. But he isnt that great at getting his teammates the ball in situations to succeed. Sometimes yeah, but most the time, no. Like Doug Collins said during one of the Laker games.."the difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Lebron sees the floor a little bit better the Kobe". It isnt about getting assists, its about winning games. I agree, his teammates need to be more dependable. But if i agree on that, u gotta agree with the fact that Kobe needs to trust them more also. Im not sayin im the only one thats right here, im sayin that they go hand in hand. kobe trusting his teammates more, leads to them having more confidence. His teammates knocking down shots, leads to Kobe trusting them more. See? The only reason i put more of it on Kobe is because its his team. He's supposed to be the leader. If u have 7 other guys whos confidence is low, and one other guy who is supposed to be the leader. Why do u blame the 7...and not the 1? they look to him to be the example. Not the example of how to score but the example of how to win. Right now, hes the offense. Thats not how to win. I hate to use Duncan as an example, but why not. He's obviously a superstar in the league, and considered one of the best players in the league. If not the best, depends on who u ask. But he can have a 14 point, 13 reb. night...and its fine. He wont care, as long as they win. He knows he can get his shot off if he wants. He knows he can take almost any forward in the league. But running the offense wins games more then letting Duncan go one on one for 48 minutes. I know, he has better players around him. But those guys are far better for playing with him. U see how unselfish the whole team is. Thats a result of seeing your superstar be the same way.
Wrong...He gets his players the ball...They knock it down, he looks good, they don't, he looks bad...The players play very good for a long stretch, then all of a sudden begin to lag again...It has nothing to do with Kobe, you've completely ignored what I've said in the posts, Kobe can easily average 7-10 assists if his teammates either a.)had the confidence to take the shot or b.)shot a consistant shot to begin with...Remember, they are still currently learning...Kobe will average no less than 5-6 assists in the playoffs, I gaurantee you. Lets take last night vs Golden State for example...Kobe scored 5 points in the first half, and the other Lakers were playing consistant, Kobe was getting them the ball, they were getting involved, hitting shots...They were up at the half. Then the 3rd quarter comes along, the players freeze up and begin playing inconsistant. Kobe's on the bench and nobody's hitting a shot. Kobe comes in, he's still dishing the ball out for good looks, but this time the players aren't hitting...Golden State takes the lead going into the 4th. Beginning of 4th, same thing, everybody's off, inconsistant, trading baskets...Finally, last 6-7 minutes, Kobe single handedly brings them back in the game, knocking the shots ON HIS OWN when it counts, hitting free-throws to send it into OT. Then hits big shots + the game winning shot in the OT...That's why I said it was an ugly win. Kobe had to take over. It shouldn't get to that...By playoff time, it WONT. Lakers will be ready to play how they did in the first half 100% of the time, even better, and this team will be strong, you all will see...
My point was reiterated last night by your own Stu Lance. he said that Phil might need to let these guys (the role players) take their lumps and learn from their mistakes. Saying that they will only learn on the court. Thats what it is im saying man. Kobe needs to let these guys grow. Him holding their hand and shooting so much might help them win a game, but it wont help his teammates mature and grow on the court. The result, they will stay an average team. They will win some games just on Kobe carrying them...but they wont get over that hump because the rest of the guys wont learn to take some innitiative. Thats why i was saying it would be a good thing when Kobe was out on suspension. but 2 games wasnt really enough to get these guys to gain confidence in their own game. You say Kobe is the leader...but then u dont agree that he should be LEADING. Part of being a leader is instilling confidence in your teammates. These guys have a real fragile psyche almost. When the teams star shows that he's confident in you, it makes u confident. I dont mean JUST giving them the ball for wideopen jumpers. I also mean, giving it up to them and tellin them..."do your thing". You dont see that here so much. I know what youre gonna say..."kobe hi fives players when they do good...etc". But if you werent a Laker fan, youd see what im saying. Go back to the way Magic really pushed Vlade when he first hit the league. Remember how timid he was? How he had almost no confidence in his game. He really blossomed as a result of Magics help. Thats what Kobe needs to do with these guys if he wants to be considered a great leader. Right now its obvious, his leadership skills are questionable at best. Other then for u Laker fans.
Kobe Bryant is a fuckin' basketball player, not God...LMAO. What the hell do you expect of him? He DOES push his players, he DOES get the ball to Mihm (the same way he did to Shaq) and lets Mihm create. Odom DOES get many oppurtunities to attack one-on-one. Smush DOES get his touches. Cook DOES get his mid-range jumpers, etc. etc...Kobe does not control the players consistancy, he can put the ball in situations where they can create, but it's up to THEM to actually create...As for Kobe instilling confidence, how many times has Kobe given players like Sasha chances to hit BIG shots at the end of games?...Even today, Lakers were down by twelve with 4 minutes, they were on like a 8-0 run, Kobe drives it in, and decides to pass it out to Sasha for a wide-open 3. Sasha shoots...CLANK!...I mean, how much can Kobe do? On top of that, isn't it Phil Jackson's job to instill confidence in his players? Come on man, you're reaching WAY too far...Kobe is amazing, I know it, but there's only so much you can expect of him...Remember, this team is STILL learning. It took some players YEARS to really understand the triangle. Phil Jackson teams are usually stronger during the second half of the season when everything falls into perspective...And I believe this Lakers team will easily be stronger for the next 41 games...PeACe
no, he cant do everything. but it IS the stars responsibility (as the socalled team leader) to get his teammates up. if u want to blame Phil, go ahead. Phil must be doing a terrible job in your opinion then. All im saying is that YOU were the first one to defend the role players before the season. YOU were the one arguing with OTHER laker fans on here about how much potential they had. About how much talent they had. And look at them, they look like a high school team out there other then Kobe. So if they are as bad as they are....but have the talent u said....then whoever is supposed to be leading these guys needs to shoulder some responsibility. Instead of you guys just pointing the fingers at the players who u arent fans of.
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Another proof that Kobe is the MVP: after the 81-points game he had to have a quiet night, sharing the ball, getting his teammates involved, etc.. And he did it! He made just 5 points in the first 3 quarters of the game, but he had 8 assists, and he played good defence. But Lakers were down by 7 with 5 minutes to play in the 4th. So he stepped up, making the clutch shots, forcing the game to OT and winning it with 9 wonderful clutch points. No fucking doubt, he's the MVP.
"Kobe is always a factor in the game," Lakers guard Smush Parker said. "I don't think Golden State stopped him from scoring the ball. He just got other guys involved in the offense. It was a game Kobe didn't have to force the game until late."
"I just tried to minimize him," said Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus, who had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bryant. "I know now he is a great legend. I tried not to get swept up in the game early".
yeah he had a good game. this is more the kind of game he should play. not the, shoot everytime i touch the ball whether its a smart shot or not offense. I still dont know about that MVP thing. I say he's in the running for sure. But his teams weakness might hurt his chances. I mean, the Lakers arent exactly burnin it up and its hard to get MVP when youre on an average team. Also...we're only at the halfway point. theres a ton of ball left to play. What if the Lakers end up missing the playoffs...then he wouldnt even be in the running. So wait till the end of the season to worry about MVP.
Man Lakers were loosing against the Raptors and the Warriors. It's not that Kobe wanted to make an 81-points game in the first place. If he wanted to, he could have attacked the basket from the first minute. But he didn't. He had a "normal" first half of the game. But they were loosing at home against a wack team. So he had to step-up and find a way to win the game. With his performance Lakers outscored the Raptors by almost 40, in the second half of the game. And they won. Same against the Warriors. He shared the ball (8 assists) making just 5 points in the first 3 quarters. But the Lakers were loosing. So he had to step-up again, and he made 25 other points to win the game.
When this team had Horry, Fisher, Shaq, etc, Kobe shared the ball more. Because the other teammates actually were good enought to take some responsabilities and to let him rest. This team ain't good enought. But still Kobe is having an MVP season, imo. Till now, obviously.
Well, I think you're wrong in saying "this team ain't good enough"...I think they're good enough, they have shown flashes of excellence, they just are consistant (<<this is the word you're looking for) enough...yet. You know what I mean?
Flashes of EXCELLENCE?! LOL! Try flashes of being alive. When they play great, theyre an above average team. When they play bad, theyre terrible. I havent seen any "excellence" out of them man. Not too mention, EVERY team has moments where they look good...and then its back to who they really are. Shit, the Hawks beat us. Does that mean they have all the potential in the world now...no. They had a moment where they played way better then they are. There are only 2 or 3 teams n the league right now u can call consistent. But youre acting like the Lakers are the Heat. As if when the lakers get "consistent" theyll be contenders. Theyll just be consistently knocked out in the first round of the playoffs ;D
You're wrong. When they play at their best, they can't be stopped. Cuz when they play great, they play a well-rounded game, it's not just offense offense offense. It's offense-defense-offense-defense. I've seen them playing amazing this season, something that I didn't see ALL of last season...That's why I believe there's hope for this team to be a successful one. And I don't speak out my ass...
u just said...when the Lakers play their best, they cant be stopped. NIK...this conversation is officially over. So in other words...this Laker team at their best vs Detroit at their best would go to the Lakers. ive heard some retarded shit...but that would have to be the most retarded thing ive ever heard in this forum. damn man...u really disappoint me lol. i gave u props before the season saying you were a real fan. i was right...shit, you are a FAN. Fuck...cus nobody in their right (unbiased) mind would have made a comment like that.
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Another proof that Kobe is the MVP: after the 81-points game he had to have a quiet night, sharing the ball, getting his teammates involved, etc.. And he did it! He made just 5 points in the first 3 quarters of the game, but he had 8 assists, and he played good defence. But Lakers were down by 7 with 5 minutes to play in the 4th. So he stepped up, making the clutch shots, forcing the game to OT and winning it with 9 wonderful clutch points. No fucking doubt, he's the MVP.
"Kobe is always a factor in the game," Lakers guard Smush Parker said. "I don't think Golden State stopped him from scoring the ball. He just got other guys involved in the offense. It was a game Kobe didn't have to force the game until late."
"I just tried to minimize him," said Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus, who had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bryant. "I know now he is a great legend. I tried not to get swept up in the game early".
yeah he had a good game. this is more the kind of game he should play. not the, shoot everytime i touch the ball whether its a smart shot or not offense. I still dont know about that MVP thing. I say he's in the running for sure. But his teams weakness might hurt his chances. I mean, the Lakers arent exactly burnin it up and its hard to get MVP when youre on an average team. Also...we're only at the halfway point. theres a ton of ball left to play. What if the Lakers end up missing the playoffs...then he wouldnt even be in the running. So wait till the end of the season to worry about MVP.
Well, so far, he is number 1 in the MVP runnings...Almost every analyst and/or announcer I've heard is saying Kobe is currently the MVP. That's what we're basing it on...Who knows what will happen in the future? No one...So we go based on what we see...Speaking of MVP, wow, is LeBron a choke. Weren't you one of the people saying LeBron>Kobe? LMAOOOO. Yea, LeBron airballed a clutch free-throw to put the game away yesterday vs. Indiana...Then on the next play, coach had to bring Ilgauskas in, so he can get the ball and actually MAKE free-throws. What an embarassment...Had this happened to Kobe, it woulda' been a huge story in the media, ESPN would have it as their headlines, everyone would be bashing him...But shit like that goes unheard of because it's "King" James...LOL. Bottom line is, Kobe=MVP so far...PeACe
where do u get "almost every analyst and/or announcer" is taking Kobe right now? LOL ive heard Billups and Dirks name mentioned as much if not more. Most people are saying that Kobe's offensively play over the last month has been amazing, but his team being so weak is going to hurt him. He is the leader of his team...and his team sucks. That usually doesnt win u an MVP.
His team sucks? I don't think any playoff team (especially in the west) sucks...You're a fucking hater. At least if you said they weren't that good, but suck? Come on now, most analysts had this Laker team finishing 12 in the west...On top of that, it's silly to deny that Kobe is the name on everyone in the NBA's tongue currently, especially when it comes to MVP talk...
fine, if it makes u feel better...the Lakers arent good. As for the MVP talk, no he isnt the ONE guy on everybodies mind lol. Do u ONLY watch Laker games? Cus ill give u this...if u ask Laker announcers and Jack Haley who's the MVP, yeah Kobe's got that one locked. He's considered by many to be the best offensive player in the game right now. Keyword, right now. Remember that the "whos the best player in the league" debate changes by the month. Since MJ, there hasnt been ONE player that has been the best. Its been this kind of "whos the best right NOW" thing. But having an average at best team hurts u for the MVP race. Steve Nash won last year...i wouldnt consider him one of the top 5 players in the league. But he was considered the Most Valueble PLayer.
LMAO...So Kobe isn't (by far) the hottest topic/player in the NBA right now? WOW, everything you say is way off...I turn to the Hawks game, the announcers are talking about Kobe...I switch to Cavs vs. Suns, Kobe is being mentioned more than LeBron (and LeBron had a great game). I put on NBATV, they're talking about Kobe easily being the MVP so far...Come on man, there's no denying that you simply CANT give credit where credit is due...Just admit it. Lakers are better than you thought they'd be. Kobe is shutting you up. Kobe is the MVP...That's all there is to it.
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Ive watched a ton of Laker games this season actually man. More then normal. Mostly since i got that damn league pass shit...and i dont always get home in time to see the early games. Lakers play most of their games at 7:30. But yeah, from what ive seen...its exactly what i say. Its not to say he NEVER passes the ball. But he isnt that great at getting his teammates the ball in situations to succeed. Sometimes yeah, but most the time, no. Like Doug Collins said during one of the Laker games.."the difference between Lebron and Kobe is that Lebron sees the floor a little bit better the Kobe". It isnt about getting assists, its about winning games. I agree, his teammates need to be more dependable. But if i agree on that, u gotta agree with the fact that Kobe needs to trust them more also. Im not sayin im the only one thats right here, im sayin that they go hand in hand. kobe trusting his teammates more, leads to them having more confidence. His teammates knocking down shots, leads to Kobe trusting them more. See? The only reason i put more of it on Kobe is because its his team. He's supposed to be the leader. If u have 7 other guys whos confidence is low, and one other guy who is supposed to be the leader. Why do u blame the 7...and not the 1? they look to him to be the example. Not the example of how to score but the example of how to win. Right now, hes the offense. Thats not how to win. I hate to use Duncan as an example, but why not. He's obviously a superstar in the league, and considered one of the best players in the league. If not the best, depends on who u ask. But he can have a 14 point, 13 reb. night...and its fine. He wont care, as long as they win. He knows he can get his shot off if he wants. He knows he can take almost any forward in the league. But running the offense wins games more then letting Duncan go one on one for 48 minutes. I know, he has better players around him. But those guys are far better for playing with him. U see how unselfish the whole team is. Thats a result of seeing your superstar be the same way.
Wrong...He gets his players the ball...They knock it down, he looks good, they don't, he looks bad...The players play very good for a long stretch, then all of a sudden begin to lag again...It has nothing to do with Kobe, you've completely ignored what I've said in the posts, Kobe can easily average 7-10 assists if his teammates either a.)had the confidence to take the shot or b.)shot a consistant shot to begin with...Remember, they are still currently learning...Kobe will average no less than 5-6 assists in the playoffs, I gaurantee you. Lets take last night vs Golden State for example...Kobe scored 5 points in the first half, and the other Lakers were playing consistant, Kobe was getting them the ball, they were getting involved, hitting shots...They were up at the half. Then the 3rd quarter comes along, the players freeze up and begin playing inconsistant. Kobe's on the bench and nobody's hitting a shot. Kobe comes in, he's still dishing the ball out for good looks, but this time the players aren't hitting...Golden State takes the lead going into the 4th. Beginning of 4th, same thing, everybody's off, inconsistant, trading baskets...Finally, last 6-7 minutes, Kobe single handedly brings them back in the game, knocking the shots ON HIS OWN when it counts, hitting free-throws to send it into OT. Then hits big shots + the game winning shot in the OT...That's why I said it was an ugly win. Kobe had to take over. It shouldn't get to that...By playoff time, it WONT. Lakers will be ready to play how they did in the first half 100% of the time, even better, and this team will be strong, you all will see...
My point was reiterated last night by your own Stu Lance. he said that Phil might need to let these guys (the role players) take their lumps and learn from their mistakes. Saying that they will only learn on the court. Thats what it is im saying man. Kobe needs to let these guys grow. Him holding their hand and shooting so much might help them win a game, but it wont help his teammates mature and grow on the court. The result, they will stay an average team. They will win some games just on Kobe carrying them...but they wont get over that hump because the rest of the guys wont learn to take some innitiative. Thats why i was saying it would be a good thing when Kobe was out on suspension. but 2 games wasnt really enough to get these guys to gain confidence in their own game. You say Kobe is the leader...but then u dont agree that he should be LEADING. Part of being a leader is instilling confidence in your teammates. These guys have a real fragile psyche almost. When the teams star shows that he's confident in you, it makes u confident. I dont mean JUST giving them the ball for wideopen jumpers. I also mean, giving it up to them and tellin them..."do your thing". You dont see that here so much. I know what youre gonna say..."kobe hi fives players when they do good...etc". But if you werent a Laker fan, youd see what im saying. Go back to the way Magic really pushed Vlade when he first hit the league. Remember how timid he was? How he had almost no confidence in his game. He really blossomed as a result of Magics help. Thats what Kobe needs to do with these guys if he wants to be considered a great leader. Right now its obvious, his leadership skills are questionable at best. Other then for u Laker fans.
Kobe Bryant is a fuckin' basketball player, not God...LMAO. What the hell do you expect of him? He DOES push his players, he DOES get the ball to Mihm (the same way he did to Shaq) and lets Mihm create. Odom DOES get many oppurtunities to attack one-on-one. Smush DOES get his touches. Cook DOES get his mid-range jumpers, etc. etc...Kobe does not control the players consistancy, he can put the ball in situations where they can create, but it's up to THEM to actually create...As for Kobe instilling confidence, how many times has Kobe given players like Sasha chances to hit BIG shots at the end of games?...Even today, Lakers were down by twelve with 4 minutes, they were on like a 8-0 run, Kobe drives it in, and decides to pass it out to Sasha for a wide-open 3. Sasha shoots...CLANK!...I mean, how much can Kobe do? On top of that, isn't it Phil Jackson's job to instill confidence in his players? Come on man, you're reaching WAY too far...Kobe is amazing, I know it, but there's only so much you can expect of him...Remember, this team is STILL learning. It took some players YEARS to really understand the triangle. Phil Jackson teams are usually stronger during the second half of the season when everything falls into perspective...And I believe this Lakers team will easily be stronger for the next 41 games...PeACe
no, he cant do everything. but it IS the stars responsibility (as the socalled team leader) to get his teammates up. if u want to blame Phil, go ahead. Phil must be doing a terrible job in your opinion then. All im saying is that YOU were the first one to defend the role players before the season. YOU were the one arguing with OTHER laker fans on here about how much potential they had. About how much talent they had. And look at them, they look like a high school team out there other then Kobe. So if they are as bad as they are....but have the talent u said....then whoever is supposed to be leading these guys needs to shoulder some responsibility. Instead of you guys just pointing the fingers at the players who u arent fans of.
Actually, I'm a fan of every single Laker player...You're just going in circles with what you're saying. Phil is doing a great job. This is a learning team. Most players are in their first few months of playing the triangle. They've shown flashes of excellence. They still aren't consistant with utilizing that excellence...What's so hard to get? Do you wanna say the same thing again?...It's like you expect Kobe to hold their hand, maybe even stroke it for them while they're shooting? Come on man, lets be realistic...Kobe AND the Lakers are currently doing better than everyone expected. They shot 42% FG 15% 3FG and lost in Detroit by 9 (shoulda' been 25+)...You know they're ready to make some noise in the second half of the season, you KNOW it.
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Another proof that Kobe is the MVP: after the 81-points game he had to have a quiet night, sharing the ball, getting his teammates involved, etc.. And he did it! He made just 5 points in the first 3 quarters of the game, but he had 8 assists, and he played good defence. But Lakers were down by 7 with 5 minutes to play in the 4th. So he stepped up, making the clutch shots, forcing the game to OT and winning it with 9 wonderful clutch points. No fucking doubt, he's the MVP.
"Kobe is always a factor in the game," Lakers guard Smush Parker said. "I don't think Golden State stopped him from scoring the ball. He just got other guys involved in the offense. It was a game Kobe didn't have to force the game until late."
"I just tried to minimize him," said Warriors guard Mickael Pietrus, who had the unenviable assignment of guarding Bryant. "I know now he is a great legend. I tried not to get swept up in the game early".
yeah he had a good game. this is more the kind of game he should play. not the, shoot everytime i touch the ball whether its a smart shot or not offense. I still dont know about that MVP thing. I say he's in the running for sure. But his teams weakness might hurt his chances. I mean, the Lakers arent exactly burnin it up and its hard to get MVP when youre on an average team. Also...we're only at the halfway point. theres a ton of ball left to play. What if the Lakers end up missing the playoffs...then he wouldnt even be in the running. So wait till the end of the season to worry about MVP.
Man Lakers were loosing against the Raptors and the Warriors. It's not that Kobe wanted to make an 81-points game in the first place. If he wanted to, he could have attacked the basket from the first minute. But he didn't. He had a "normal" first half of the game. But they were loosing at home against a wack team. So he had to step-up and find a way to win the game. With his performance Lakers outscored the Raptors by almost 40, in the second half of the game. And they won. Same against the Warriors. He shared the ball (8 assists) making just 5 points in the first 3 quarters. But the Lakers were loosing. So he had to step-up again, and he made 25 other points to win the game.
When this team had Horry, Fisher, Shaq, etc, Kobe shared the ball more. Because the other teammates actually were good enought to take some responsabilities and to let him rest. This team ain't good enought. But still Kobe is having an MVP season, imo. Till now, obviously.
Well, I think you're wrong in saying "this team ain't good enough"...I think they're good enough, they have shown flashes of excellence, they just are consistant (<<this is the word you're looking for) enough...yet. You know what I mean?
Flashes of EXCELLENCE?! LOL! Try flashes of being alive. When they play great, theyre an above average team. When they play bad, theyre terrible. I havent seen any "excellence" out of them man. Not too mention, EVERY team has moments where they look good...and then its back to who they really are. Shit, the Hawks beat us. Does that mean they have all the potential in the world now...no. They had a moment where they played way better then they are. There are only 2 or 3 teams n the league right now u can call consistent. But youre acting like the Lakers are the Heat. As if when the lakers get "consistent" theyll be contenders. Theyll just be consistently knocked out in the first round of the playoffs ;D
You're wrong. When they play at their best, they can't be stopped. Cuz when they play great, they play a well-rounded game, it's not just offense offense offense. It's offense-defense-offense-defense. I've seen them playing amazing this season, something that I didn't see ALL of last season...That's why I believe there's hope for this team to be a successful one. And I don't speak out my ass...
u just said...when the Lakers play their best, they cant be stopped. NIK...this conversation is officially over. So in other words...this Laker team at their best vs Detroit at their best would go to the Lakers. ive heard some retarded shit...but that would have to be the most retarded thing ive ever heard in this forum. damn man...u really disappoint me lol. i gave u props before the season saying you were a real fan. i was right...shit, you are a FAN. Fuck...cus nobody in their right (unbiased) mind would have made a comment like that.
What's wrong with what I said? Lakers CANT be stopped at their best. Shit, Kobe ALONE at his best can't be stopped...That's a known fact. Detroit is just a well-rounded team, they CANT be stopped either...I honestly think Detroit vs. Lakers (not the current Lakers, they'll have progressed a lot by June) in the Finals would be entertaining to watch, and much more of a challenge than most might expect...I don't think it's retarded to say that the Lakers at their best can't be stopped...We know Kobe at his best. Now, imagine, aside Kobe was Odom at his best. Kwame at his best. Smush at his best. Mihm at his best. George, Cook, Sasha, Luke at their best...Hell, even Medvedenko at his best would be good...And with Phil coaching 'em? Unstoppable...
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Alot of teams can't be stopped at their best along with the Lakers.
Phoenix, San Antonio, Detroit, Miami, Dallas, etc.
The true sense of where your team is at is how consistant they can be. Phoenix and San Antonio are the 2 biggest threats in the West, followed by Dallas who is playing fantastic basketball in January. San Antonio & Phoenix can't be stopped by the Lakers if all teams are playing at their best once June comes. The Lakers won't make the Finals but I respect your optimism.
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shaq or kobe.......
hate shaq love kobe..
and that girl in Rado.. is a whore.
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watchin Kobe on Steven A. Smith's show right now
real talk
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watchin Kobe on Steven A. Smith's show right now
real talk
Transcript?
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Lebron's 44 was half the amount that kobe bryant scored on the raptors last week. Before that, he was already a rare breed in the nba. Kobe has separated himself as a superstar among the stars of his day. But will his talent place him above all who came before him? From the moment he broke onto the scene, comparisons were made. And after he and shaquille o'neal fought their way to a three-peat in los angeles, it seemed a matter of time before his name would be etched in history. But that road would not be without its trials two years ago, his world nearly came undone, when he faced sexual assault charges.
>>”I'm disgusted at myself for making a mistake of adultery.”
Not surprisingly, he found refuge only on the basketball court. His play overcame all. Conflict with shaq, phil jackson, and advertise relationship with the media. This season with jackson back in the lakers' fold, he's been a man on a mission. Capped by his 81 point barrage.
Ladies and gentlemen, you have witnessed the second-greatest scoring show in nba history.
So, how will kobe be remembered? As a scoring legend? Or as one of the players that eclipsed the great michael jordan. These days, it seems anything's possible. You know what? I'm not going to waste your time trying to come up with things to describe maybe the baddest basketball player on the planet right now. Ladies and gentlemen, get up on
your feet, stay on your feet and give it up for the one and only kobe bryant!
[ Applause ]
All right. All right. He heard y'all. I'm sure you get used to that by now. How you doing, big boy?
>>I'm doing great man.
You know, last time, you though, we talked about a lot of things with kobe bryant, but the last thing, 81 points on the raptors. What did you think about? Tell me.
>> Well -- we just wanted to win the game. And -- you know, in that type situation, we were down by 18, 20 points. We needed not As the leader of the ball club, I need to provide that spark. That's what i try to do.
Now that sounds good, and I'm not denying that. The difference is, i watched that game. With three minutes left, you knew you were going to win the game. You overcame the 14-point deficit. You demoralized them, which is what you like to do. When did you know that you were going for 80?
>> Well -- when i had about 77 points and the crowd --
[ Laughter ]
The crowd just got into it. My teammates got into it. They wanted to see me go for it. That's what i tried to do.
When you talk about the 81 points, obviously that's second to wilt. I think about -- i put that performance second, let me just reveal what i feel. Not wilt's100 points. Michael jordan's 61 in a playoff game, i put right up there. Do you think it should rank two, three, one all time? Do you think about that?
>> I don't think about it much. I just go out there and try to play the game. As a fan, it's much easier for me to judge what michael did, larry did, magic did many the game.
But I'm not talking about while you were playing. After you know you've done it, you win the game, and you go back home, and you think about reflect on what you've a accomplish accomplished.
>> You look at what michael's done in the playoffs, magic, larry, and put those type of performances up in the playoffs is another thing. Hopefully we can get there and have a good showing in the playoffs.
Right. Not to sour your mood, but i don't think this will. Vince carter had something to say, of all people. Had something to say about your 81 points. Let me read this quote to you. "The only bad thing about it is that younger kids whose minds are easily warped are going to think I'm going to go out there and do it instead of the team concept first." Vince carter said this about your 81 points. When you heard comments like that, especially for coming from a guy that's known on dunking people, what thoughts come to your mind?
>> I really let it go. I think if people were watching the game, knew what that game was about, knew what i had to do to kind of get us back in the game. A the end at the end of the day, we won the game.
Here's the part that people don't know about you, but i think i know. See, I ask you the question, and your eyes get narrow, and what that saying to me, I'm going to remember vince said that when i see him next time.That's what that says to me.
[ Laughter ]
Am I lying?
>> I just try to use everything I can very motivation, as a tool for me to be able to elevate my team to play the best basketball. I try to use a bit of everything.
You had it out before. You got into a shoving match. What was that about, by the way?
>> I'm not really sure. I think it was a physical game, and, he tried to go to the basket, and i tried to strip the ball. Wound up by a foul. He had some, you though, hard feelings about it, and we had some words.
You know, i think about it, say to myself, a lot of people are going to come at you hard. Do you find that to be the case now? Everybody talks about lamar odom, it's a young team, you're the leader. Do you find that cats are coming after you harder and stronger than ever before?
>> I knew that going into this season. Lamar and i talked about that prior to the start of the season. What our opposition was going to do. And, one of the things i said, our mentality has to be, we're going to hunt you. And that's how i approach the game every single night. I'm not going to wait for you to take the first blow, put us on hour heels. We're going to strike first.
I think about the lakers -- are you the only person on your team that has that kind of attitude?
>> I don't think so. I really don'T. Believe it or not -- we really do have some players that are willing to step up and play hard.
But the difference between playing hard and being an assassin. Allen iverson, he called you a flat-out assassin.
[ Laughter ]
That's what he said.
[ Laughter ]
That's what he said. That's what he said. But seriously. You look at this team right now -- how far do you think you guys can go with the team that's presently con producted. You leading the way. How far?
>> You though, it's a tough thing to judge. You know, in the system that we play in is really predicated on us being on the same page and having that chemistry. It's tough for us to pick up the game, how phil teaches the triangle. Once we pick it up, you'll see
the improvement.
Why is it takes so long?
>> This offense, everybody has to been be on the same page at the
same time. You can't just run a zipper action, going to get stephen A. The bal, this ball, this is your play, isolate on the post. That's not what we do. Everything is predicated off
reads. We have to play defense and each and every player out there has to make the adjustments. It's cool to think about, but it's difficult to get.
Especially when there's only one kobe wript on bryant on the team. Stephen A. Smith, I'm in the house with kobe bryant. We're going to talk more about the lakers, more about kobe, and lord knows what else might come up. We'll be back in a minute.
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>> In hindsight, it was great, because it gave my experience, see how other cultures live, to mature, as face about, you know, having a broader understanding of what the world looks like. So, I mean, it helped me a lot. When it came to basketball, my grandparents sent me all the games. The lakers, the celtics the bulls. They sent them out to us. I used to sit at the house, watch the games over and ore and over again.
How did that shape your personality? When people talk about kobe bryant, they say, had he grown up in the states, he may have had a more outgoing personality. How did that effect your personality?
>> I'm an outgoing guy. I'm not outgoing with people i don't know.
There you consider yourself outgoing?
>> People that know me, yes.
You know what they say about you. People that know you that say you're an outgoing guy, what would they say about you?
>> Pretty about sarcastic dude.
Listen, coming in -- i think about this, too. You're in high school.You play at lower marion. 30 points, 12 rebounds. You did everything. I know all of that stuff, but
you decide to go pro. Why? Because you were going to go to duke, if you elected to go to
college. Why did you make the decision to go pro?
>> Well, i had a chance to play against some of the best basketball players in the worldworld, and the decision, the reason why I made the decision, so be able to compete against them every single night, and to learn as a higher level than, you know, anything that i could learn at the college level.You play against the best. So, I said, you know what? If I'm ready or not, i don't know. Once I get there, I'll be able to learn from the best, and i will be one day ready.
But when did you make the decision that, ready or not, nba here i come. When did you make that call?
>> Well, i mean, you have to make -- you have to make your estimations as far as where you're going to draft. I didn't just blindly jump into a decision not knowing where i was going to end up. Once i was comfortable where i could go, i went for it.
It's interesting you bring that up. The charlotte hornets drafted you with the 13th overall pick. Did you know you were going to los angeles? Were you anticipating you were going to be in charlotte?
>> Actually after i got drafted, you have to do your calls. I go in, i speak to a
representative from the organization, at the time, and they said, they told me that,
you know, that were looking to move me, because they really didn't have a need for me. I said --
They didn't have any use for you, though they traded for you divac?
>> Was 17 year i was 17 years old, i heard that, i was like, okay. I know what I'm going to do every day this summer.
What was that?
>> Training my butt off. That was telling me, you can't do something. We don't need you?
But where did you get -- again, we go to your personality. Didn't i just tell y'all about
his eyes narrow and everything. Okay, okay, I'm going to remember y'all. Where did that come from? The perception is, growing up in italy, we don't view italy the way review harlem, new york, southside of chicago. You are looking at a comfortable environment. That fire in your eyes, that fire in your belly, it's usually not perceived as being there. Where do you get that from, then?
>> I don't know where it comes from. Growing up in italy, what i used to hear a lot used to drive me crazy. All the kids would say, you know what, you're a good basketball
player here. Once you go back to the states, you're not going to do any of this stuff.
They told you that?
>> They told me they're taller, faster. That just absolutely drove me crazy.
So, then, you come back to the states and your mission is to prove things. And you end up just killing everybody on the high school level. You go to the pros. Utah. Western conference, semifinals, air ball.
>> You remember that?
I do.
>> I'm sure you do. Bring bring it up.
Hold on -- trust me, I'm on your side there. You shot an air ball in regulation. You shot two air balls in overtime. Everybody was sitting there crucifying you. This is what i was thinking. Del harris started this game just six games this season. Why is this rookie in that
position? Especially when there was friction, because you wanted more playing time and you thought you deserved it. Why buter in that position to begin with? What were the thoughts going through your mind when the air balls came raining down on the bell that center?
>> Okay. I took the first one. It felt good. It did. It felt good. And it went short. I just said -- damn. I'm going to make the next one. The next one -- damn. I'm gonna make the next one. I shoot the next one -- damn. Okay, I'm due. All right. And I shot two more.
Well, well, well -- sorry to digress for a second. But how does an air ball feel good? I want to know.
>> That's a really good question. But sometimes, you shoot the ball, and you release it, and the trajectory feels good, your follow-through is good, it's in line, you keep the follow-through up in the air and it goes short. But it feels good. So, it's kind of like a shock to miss those sometimes.
Now, after that experience, that weighs on your mind, but ultimately, kobe bryant works on his game, shaquille o'neal is right there in the house with you to begin with. Your game is elevated to another level. What did you do to get your game to that level, specifically? We have a whole bunch of basketball kids in the how. What did you do to get your game to that level?
>> The prime example is, I've had the same trainer training me for ten years. After I shot the air balls, i sat there and i thought, as soon as we got on the mane, went back to L.A. That night. We went through the whole season, and the thing we came down to, the conditioning program needed to be adapted.
Give it to me quick. What did you do?
>> We worked on the conditions sing with the track. We went the court. We did that all summer loom long. At the end of the game, the shot felt good, but my legs were
tired. I wasn't ready. So, what am i going to have to do to, next time I'm in that position, to make the shot.
Do you do that to this day?
>> Absolutely. How can i make this, that better? So, I'm always asking the questions to improve.
Were you asking that question when you won the championship? The three-peat. What questioning did you ask yourself that time?
>> How can we win another one. Because every year, when you win a championship the next time you come back, it's harder. People are gunning for you. We knew how people were going to play shaquille.
How was that?
>> They crowd him. They try to physically beat him up or put him at the line in critical situations. I had to sit back and say, as his sidekick, what am i going to do to bring to the table to help us win the championship? I knew his weak vnss. I have to make those my
strengths. That's how the combination worked.
What do you think you did bring to the table? When we see you, we see shaquille o'neal, 7'1", 350 pounds, we see kobe as everything else. What were we missmissing? In terms of you on the court.
>> I think a lot of subtle things that phil jackson taught me how to do to facilitate the offense. I was a quarterback. That's the role that lamar has with this team now. You have to quarterback the offense. You have to now how they play rick fox on the wing, they have to now how to play shaq. You have to read all the angles. That was my job. I had to study the game.
How did you like it?
>> I loved it. It game a challenge. And the reason why it was fun more for me is, i can watch film and get a kick out of the fact that this team is getting abused and they have no idea how to stop it. The fact that we're thinking about how to take advantage of them. And i sat back and i enjoyed that.
When did it seem like you didn't like being the quarterback?
>> I don't know. I always enjoyed doing it.You can't be successful at something if you don't enjoy it. We won three championships in five years. If i didn't enjoy my role, how
can you wip a championship or be successful? It just doesn't work.
>> Stephen A. Smith, "quite frankly," I'm in the house with the one and only kobe bryant. We're going to get more into the lakers, yes, I'm going to ask about shaq. He can talk. He likes to do that, too.
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This is stephen A. Smith, this is "quite frankly," I'm in the house with kobe bryant. Really getting to him and expressing how upset i am spending the summers in san antonio, rather than southern california. Before we get into that, i want to show you something that magic johnson had to say about the departure of shaquille o'neal from los angeles to miami. Here's what magic johnson had to say. Take a look.
>> It still don't make sense mo me. Here's two young men, the two best players in the game, they could have went down in history as the best two duos to ever play in this game. Together.
Better than magic kareem?
>> They could have been. They would have won more championships than us. Better than michael and scottie. They would have won more championships. But it was interesting to me that they had these issues, and so there was nobody in the locker room to sit them down, say, look, man, and i was trying to tell both of them, you're better off with one another than you're going to be without each other.
You hear something like that coming from the great magic johnson, what goes through your mind?
>> You obviously have to think about what could have been. Being that, he's a person i
looked up to since i was a kid. His opinion means a lot to me. But at the same time, situations are what they are.You try to move on from them. Shaq's down in miami. I wish him all the best. And we're here, trying to get the organization back to the top, so, you try to learn from it.
That's right.And i support you moving on, after the next hour or so, but I want to get into it, because, seriously, because, one of the things i wanted to -- i wanted to give you the flat form to really discuss why? Why would couldn't that work out in your estimation? What was the reason for it?
>> You know what? I can only speak for myself. And personally, playing with him, that was easy. I had no problem praying withing playing with him whatsoever what a lot of
people don't understand is when i was a free agent, becoming a free agent, i look at other
teams, where i might want to go, what challenge to accept. As that process was coming up, they inform me they're trading shaquille o'neal. That means they're not going to send me anywhere that's how the situation went down. I wasn't in touch with him when he went through the deal with the lakers. I just distanced myself from the situation. And -- you know, like i said, he ended up in south beach.
Was chicago one of the teams?
>> I was planning on going to chicago.
You were planning on going to chicago during your free agency, before you signed that seven-year extension. You were going to be -- you're going into michael jordan's house, and you were going to be kobe bryant.
>> Well, chicago and the clippers. And the clippers was an easier transition for me.
We both know about the clippers. Forgive me if i can't imagine you in a clippers' uniform.
>> It was very serious at the time. Yeah -- i liked what they had to say. I liked their players. I've known some of the guys for a long time. Chicago, not too many people
know about that. They thought i was waiting to be a laker, but i was looking at other teams sflchlt back steams.
Back to shaq for a second. I know you said you wanted new challenges, but it didn't seem like it was a basketball team. Hate is too strong of a word, but clearly, there was a healthy dislike, it appeared, that both of you had for one another. Where did that come from in the mid-of winning three world championships together? And being recognized as possibly the greatest dynamic duo arguably in the history of basketball?
>> You know what, man, i don't dislike him at all. I really don'T. For me, it's all about
challenges. I kind of have to sit back, say, do i want to take on another challenge? My peers say, well, he's only this good because he plays with shaq. If i played with shaq, I'd have three rings. Or, if you believe shaq, you'll never have another title. You hear stuff from your peers. I don't like that. So, I had to sit down and evaluate, is this a challenge i
want to take on? And -- you know, that's pretty much the process i was going through.
Kobe bryant is on the record, he says, i don't dislike shaq, but though shaq never said it, he gave every indication to everybody imaginable, at one point. Certainly not now. At one point, he didn't particularly like you too much. Where did that come from? I'm quite sure you may have asked somebody.
>> I don't know. I think that's something that, you know, that's something for him to answer if he chooses to answer it. Personally, I didn't have any problems.
Listen. Magic johnson sat in your chair, and so did shaquille o'neal. Let me show you that shaq had to say. Check this out, in the house on "quite frankly." Take a look.
>> I never complained. He just say something, i say something back. Somebody hit you, you got to hit him back, man. It wasn't nothing serious. It wasn't anything personal. I got traded, business was taken care of. I wish him well. I wish everybody well.
You hear that from shaquille o'neal, your thoughts?
>> Maybe -- I've heard him say a couple times I'm the one responsible for him leaving los angeles. That's just not the case.
What was responsible for him leaving? I'm asking for as somebody that works for the organization that is familiar with what goes on within the organization. Why is shaquille o'neal in a heat uniform?
>> I think that's a question for mr. Buss. He's answered that several times already, as far as it being a business decision. Whatever his motives were. Don't know, it's not my job.
I don't get into it.
Now, I have to revisit one other thing. You talked about shaq. There was a quote that you had given to jim gray of espn, before the 2004 season, i believe, where you said that he was fat and out of shape.
>> Uh-huh.
You know, that doesn't -- i mean, like you said, you don't dislike him, but you didn't like him that day.
>> No, but that's job related. There's nothing about him as a person. And i always told shaq that. In practice, i used to tell him, man, you have to get ready. Did he like hearing it? Probably not. But my job on the team is to make sure we're fully functional.
That was your job back then? Somebody looks at a man like him and be scared to say something like that.
>> No, i mean -- that was part of my role, you know. That's what i try to do with him. But - probably rubbed him the wrong way.
Are you glad you did it?
>> Glad i did what?
That you would be on guys if it was shaq or anybody else. When you talk about taking the leadership guy and be on a guy like that. Are you glad that you got on him? Maybe not with that specific quote --
>> You know, something i can take back was, you know, being public with it. I think it goes into, you know, being a bit immature. As far as taking something public. Say the same thing, but without bringing it to light so it becomes a big public issue. I think he and i were both guilty of that.
When you think about a few weeks after, i believe it was january 16th. He comes up to you, at the staples center. You guys have a game on martin luther king's holiday. He shakes your hand, and, basically, it's the truce. It's the wellwell-publy silzed truth. Before that transpired, it almost seems as if his silence was so conspicuous that it gave life to the quote/unquote feud that everybody perceived. Did you look at it that way?
>> No.
How did you look at him?
>> I know him. I know him very well. You know him in and out.
Tell us what you know.
>> I felt like public took something, the media took something and ran with it. And him just playing to that. But he -- you know -- you talk to him, you ask him a question about me as a basketball player --
Nobody's ever questioned you about a basketball player. Nobody's that stupid.
>> That's why our relationship -- that's what brought our relationship together was us playing the game and winning championships. Him coming up, on mlk's birthday, that's big for us the city of los angeles, and big for our youth as a whole.
Why?
>> Well, because you see, you know, kids that look up to us. Kids that watch us play in the nba, inspire to be where we are. See these two grown men putting their differences aside, putting the altercations or spat, you know, that we had aside, and just coming together, saying, you know what, it is what it is. Let's move on. I'm happy for you, for me, let's do our thing.
You heard him. That's kobe bryant. This is stephen A. Smith. "Quite frankly," we're in the house. Talking about the lakers, the nba. Don't think i forgot about phil jackson, wyane wade, lebron james.
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Stephen A. Smith, "quite frankly," I'm back in the house with kobe bryant of the los
angeles lakers. And forgive me for bringing up phil jackson, but you shouldn't have any problem for what I'm about to say. I'm going to show you an excerpt from phil jackson's book. Mind you, phil jackson wrote this, not kobe bryant. Here's what he had so say.
"I won't coach this team next year if he is still here. He won't listen to anyone. I've had it with this kid."
Here's another thing. "I sometimes think kobe is so addicted to being in control he would rather shoot the ball when guarded or double teamed than dish it to an open teammate. He is saying to himself, how can I trust anybody else." Here's my question to you, kobe. How many times have i asked you how things going with phil jason. You say everything's going well. I'm happy phil is back. How can you be happy that man is
back?
>> You know what? Life is short. You can't carry baggage. Can't go around carrying resent. It's too short. You have to forgive and move on. You just come here, he's come
here to help us get back to the top. He's coaching me, supporting me, he's told me that. So, who am i to judge somebody to not forgive him and to move on.
Give him a round of applause.
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And the reason i say that, because that would have been hard for me to have that. I would have forgave him eventually. I'm thinking -- here's my problem. Phil jackson is a great coach, one of the greatest ever. There is no debating that. But not only did he break a code in my estimation, of keeping things in house, but he's the one that promotes that code, that pushes for you guys to have those kinds of standards. So, he violated standards in my mind, that he was advocating. Considering that, what -- would the kobe bryant from years ago would have been -- would you have been so easily -- would you
have easily forgiven this man the way you do now?
>> I don't know. I think that know, you go through life's trials and tribulations to become a better person. At this point in life is to not sit back and pass judgment on people and hold that against them. You know what i mean? So, you are who are you. I'm going to respect that.
When did you reach that point? Because some would say kobe wasn't always that way.
>> I don't know, man. I can't sit there and say this's a particular day or month or
whatever. It's -- it takes time.
Yeah. Now, we all know what you had to go through with colorado. We aren't going to address that stuff. It's the past, what have you. But what did you learn from that
whole experience? Just having to go through what you went through?
>> God is great.
Is it that simple? Le the way you know it now, did you know it before that
incident took place?
>> He picks you up, carry your cross and you, then you know.
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What was the hardest thing for you to deal with as that whole ordeal was gone on in your
mind? I remember you looking into the cameras, talking about, I'm innocent. Shoot, everybody in the nation learned about who john black was. He was the media relations guy for the lakers, and nobody has your back more than he does. That whole experience, was the toughest thing for you to go through?
>> Just keeping our family together.
Your wife. Your daughter.
>> Keeping our family together. And, us being able to come out of that, and to be together, to be united, having our second kid.
Second kid in may?
>> Yeah, in may. So, that's more than any championship or any, you know, ring, or whatever it is. That's more than anything.
How together are y'all now?
>> Oh, man, we got another one coming in may. Another girl. So -- I'm going to have two little princesses. It's cool, man.
How supportive has your wife been?
>> Oh, extremely supportive. She pushes me to continue to move forward and continue to be the best basketball player i can be out there on the floor. I come home some nights, i have 50 points or something like that, and we win the game, she comes back, saying, you know, you missed a free throw. Should have had 51. So, she constantly challenges me
to be better.
At that same press conference, when you talked about being innocent. I remember you holding hands, and the look in your eyes, it was almost you felt more pain for her than you did for you.
>> Oh, i don't worry about me.
Even at that moment?
>> I don't worry about me. Never crossed my mind.
Never crossed your mind. Why was that?
>> I wasn't worried about myself.
And what gets you to the point where you don't worry about yourself, under such
trying circumstances?
>> Well, you -- you want your daughter to grow up with a father, you want your wife to
have a husband there for her. You want them to grow up have a great house hold.
For myself, personally, I'm going that be okay. I know they need me. So, i was more worried for them than i was for me.
The interesting thing about that is, when you listen to phil, even yourself, players
that talk about you, the one thing that is the consensus about you, they talk your
willingness. You have to control things, and that might have been one of the
few times in your life that you might have not had any control. What was that like for you?
>> You just let the situation go.You just let it go. It is what it is. You let it go, put it in god's hands.
Stephen A. Smith, "quite frankly," I'm in the house with kobe bryant.
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>> I always let lebron know all the time, dog, they love you right now. They love you right now, but please believe me. The first incident, they are waiting man. They are waiting, man. They are waiting, man. Just like, i mean, i hate to bring it up, but the other
situation, with kobe –
Kobe bryant.
>> Yes. All this time, he's the number one man, the perfect man for everybody, everybody's heart. He's number one man. Kobe bryant is who kobe bryant is, dog.
But these people want him to be the kobe bryant that they want him to be. And it ain't right. Kobe bryant is his own man. He only gets to live one time. People are killing this man about his image or whatever. The man made a mistake. Let's go on.
You hear that from allen iverson.
[ Applause ]
You hear that from allen. What does it mean to you right now, whether it's allen iverson,
lebron james, some of the things they said in "espn the magazine." All the love they showed you. The way they once looked up to M.J., They look at you that way.
W does that make you feel?
>> It feels great. It's all about your peers. You want your peers to respect
what you do. As a basketball player and a man. It means a lot to me.
Do you suspect there's anybody out there, a since carter, dwyane wade, who you
have got on the some things on the court, is it a situation where the cats think they can
mess with you, and you think you have to check them quickly?
>> I think the game itself is about competition. Right so, when you step out on
that floor, the person you play against, your opposition must feel that way. If they don't, i can smell it out pretty quickly.
And what do you do when you smell it out?
>> You go right at them and take their will away from them.
That's what you do. You take people's will. Just tell the truth that's what
you do, kobe.
>> When you play the game, that's what you have to do. That's what you try to do.
But you know, there are some players out there, the young players, who are tough
competition.
Some people sit there, you keep talking about kobe being the greatest player in the game
today -- y'all don't realize that kobe's trying to be arguably the greatest ever. You're response?
>> I got to get a couple more rings.
So are you going to?
>> You know what, i won't rest until we do. So -- I'm going to continue to work hard. We as a team, we're going to work hard as an organization, the same way to push and push
until we get back to that top.
My man.
[ Applause ]
Kobe bryant. That's it for tonight.
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Good looks on that one... 8)
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Some great answers there, man. 8)
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43.4 ppg in january for Kobe. lol.
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Billups, Bryant Named Players of the Month
NEW YORK, Feb. 1, 2006 – The Detroit Pistons’ Chauncey Billups and the Los Angeles Lakers’ Kobe Bryant today were named Eastern Conference and Western Conference Players of the Month, respectively, for games played in January.
Billups averaged 20.5 points, 8.7 assists and 3.5 rebounds to lead Detroit to a 13-2 record, including 11 consecutive victories. He had three games of 30 or more points and six games of nine or more assists. Billups scored 26 second-half points in a 95-89 win over Memphis on Jan. 27.
Bryant notched the second highest scoring performance (Wilt Chamberlain, 100 points) in NBA history with 81 points on 28-of-46 (.609) shooting on January 22 vs. Toronto. Bryant’s 43.4 ppg is the eighth highest monthly scoring average, with Chamberlain holding the top seven highest monthly marks. He recorded his fourth straight game of 45-plus points with 45 points vs. Indiana on Jan. 9, becoming the first player since Chamberlain (Nov., 1964) to record four consecutive games of 45-plus points and only the third player ever to do so (Elgin Baylor). He also surpassed his previous Lakers franchise record of 43 consecutive free throws when he connected on 62 consecutive free throws during games played from Jan. 11-22.
Here is a recap of the month for Billups and Bryant:
Chauncey Billups, Detroit Pistons
Jan. 3 vs. Orlando: Recorded a season-high 37 points while adding nine assists and two steals in a 108-99 win over the Magic.
Jan. 16 vs. Boston: In a 94-84 win over the Celtics, Billups posted 13 points and 16 assists.
Jan. 24 at Minnesota: Had 27 points and eight assists in a 107-83 win for their eighth in a row.
Jan. 25. vs. Milwaukee: Posted 23 points and 15 rebounds as the Pistons defeated the Bucks 106-102.
Kobe Bryant, Los Angeles Lakers
Jan. 6 vs. Philadelphia: Had 48 points, 10 rebounds, two assists and two steals in a 119-93 win over the Sixers.
Jan. 7 at L.A. Clippers: Posted 50 points, eight rebounds and eight assists in a 112-109 win over the Clippers.
Jan. 9 vs. Indiana: Recorded 45 points, 10 rebounds and five assists as the Lakers defeated the visiting Pacers 96-90.
Jan. 22 vs. Toronto: Posted a NBA season-high 81 points while adding six rebounds as the Lakers defeated the Raptors 122-104.
http://www.nba.com/news/pom_060201.html
The honors just keep pilin' up for Kobe... 8)
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i'd give the mvp to kobe over chancey any day, don't people argue EVVVVERY year the person who wins this award is the player who if you take off the team that team would turn a 180, that's why barkley and malone won in those jordan years, that's why duncan and iverson have won it during the shaq/laker era , and that's the reason why they said steve nash won it last year.
chancey isn't as valuable to the pistons as kobe is as valuable to the lakers. billips is a pretty good athlete on a team full of pretty good athletes, they're the nba equivalant to the patriots of last year. Who does kobe have to rely on? the best addition to the building of the kobe era lakers is smush parker. Kobe is in the posistion to singlehandedly lead the lakers in the sixth seed in the west, that's pretty impressive.
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i'd give the mvp to kobe over chancey any day, don't people argue EVVVVERY year the person who wins this award is the player who if you take off the team that team would turn a 180, that's why barkley and malone won in those jordan years, that's why duncan and iverson have won it during the shaq/laker era , and that's the reason why they said steve nash won it last year.
chancey isn't as valuable to the pistons as kobe is as valuable to the lakers. billips is a pretty good athlete on a team full of pretty good athletes, they're the nba equivalant to the patriots of last year. Who does kobe have to rely on? the best addition to the building of the kobe era lakers is smush parker. Kobe is in the posistion to singlehandedly lead the lakers in the sixth seed in the west, that's pretty impressive.
Exactly. There is no logical reason Chauncey should get it...Chauncey can have an off-night, and the Pistons will still fuck the shit up out their opponents. If Kobe has an off-night, it's not quite the same now, is it? Everyone knows Kobe is a better player than Chauncey, that's not even questioned...If Chauncey gets it, it's because of his team. In that case, it should be called the most valuable player on the most valuable team award...And even then, he might not be the most valuable on his team! You could make a case for all 5 of the starters, and that's a pretty scary thing...
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Kobe had "Madison square garden" saying "M-V-P! M-V-P!" last night....
in the laker's torching of NY., against their own team.....whoa!!
SHit even a co owner of the net's Jay-Z was in the house....
and his team had the biggest win of the entire season last night....lol
Nuff said....the greatest arena in the world.
gave it up for the Best on the planet at hoop.
KOBE is what he is, let's just enjoy it
Hatesrats 06'
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^Yup...Crazy shit.
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Kobe had "Madison square garden" saying "M-V-P! M-V-P!" last night....
in the laker's torching of NY., against their own team.....whoa!!
SHit even a co owner of the net's Jay-Z was in the house....
and his team had the biggest win of the entire season last night....lol
Nuff said....the greatest arena in the world.
gave it up for the Best on the planet at hoop.
KOBE is what he is, let's just enjoy it
Hatesrats 06'
I got an audio clip at work. I'll up it tomorrow.
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Kobe had "Madison square garden" saying "M-V-P! M-V-P!" last night....
LOL. If NYC is chanting MVP for a cat the plays on the west coast he should be awarded the trophy right there.
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Kobe had "Madison square garden" saying "M-V-P! M-V-P!" last night....
in the laker's torching of NY., against their own team.....whoa!!
SHit even a co owner of the net's Jay-Z was in the house....
and his team had the biggest win of the entire season last night....lol
Nuff said....the greatest arena in the world.
gave it up for the Best on the planet at hoop.
KOBE is what he is, let's just enjoy it
Hatesrats 06'
I got an audio clip at work. I'll up it tomorrow.
Props in advance.
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that shit sent chills down my back when i heard MSG saying that, i was like woa....and this was the same crowd a few years back that use to boo the fuck outta kobe cuz of that whole chris childs incident
on a side note chris childs ,who is from bakersfield and LIVED here a few years back, was ran out of the city after the whole kobe fight, kobe gets love in Lakersfield 8)
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(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Lakers4life/bow.gif) To The G.O.A.T. 8)
Fuck all the haters...is like kobe says on his new nike commercial "Hate me with your haert"...
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(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Lakers4life/bow.gif) To The G.O.A.T. 8)
Fuck all the haters...is like kobe says on his new nike commercial "Hate me with your haert"...
LOL. where you been?
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(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Lakers4life/bow.gif) To The G.O.A.T. 8)
Fuck all the haters...is like kobe says on his new nike commercial "Hate me with your haert"...
My favorite part is when he says "And hate that I'm loved, for the exact same reasons" 8)
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(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Lakers4life/bow.gif) To The G.O.A.T. 8)
Fuck all the haters...is like kobe says on his new nike commercial "Hate me with your haert"...
LOL. where you been?
computer problems! :'(
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I guess i won't be needing this no more..
(http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y274/Lakers4life/franchiserecords1ko.jpg)
since kobe is now #1 ;D ;D ;D 8) 8) 8)
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jordan > kobe
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Sticky this memory