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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: NiCc_FrUm_ThA_nO on November 18, 2008, 07:42:39 PM
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ARTiST> Guns N' Roses
TiTLE> Chinese Democracy
LABEL> Geffen Records
GENRE> Rock
AVG BiTRATE> 194 kbps avg
SOURCE> CD (LP)
PLAYTIME> 01:11:20
SiZE> 103.MB
TRACK LiST>
1 > Chinese Democracy > 4:43
2 > Shackler's Revenge > 3:36
3 > Better > 4:58
4 > Street Of Dreams > 4:46
5 > If The World > 4:54
6 > There Was A Time > 6:41
7 > Catcher In The Rye > 5:53
8 > Scraped > 3:30
9 > Riad N' The Bedouins > 4:10
10> Sorry > 6:14
11> I.R.S > 4:28
12> Madagascar > 5:38
13> This I Love > 5:34
14> Prostitute > 6:15
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Yesssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If you follow the purple brick road, you can find what you seek *NO SNITCHING*
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Just listened. It is a pretty good album. It's very versatile, in terms of sound..
Favorites: Chinese democracy, Better, If the World, Madagascar
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Hell has frozen over..This made it to the stores.
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siiiiiiiiiiick
chill
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God damn, i was going to try and hold out and not download it.
This album is fucking great! So versatile and also different than anything than theyve done before. Props to Axl & the band.
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hate to say this but i don't like it, a few average tracks, track 1 is my fav
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Is this the real grouprip ?
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Is this the real grouprip ?
yea
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Is this the real grouprip ?
yea
i'm on my second straight listen through and i'm really diggin it...axl sounds great,
chill
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Ill still buy it sunday, im waiting.
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im waiting too
want it to be like the good ol days!
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I will buy it too, as a long time GNR fan. I still can't believe it's coming out!
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D/L'd it and liked the first half mainly... Didnt love it but didnt completely hate the whole thing like i thought... Some of it doesnt sound like Axel though and I dont think thats a good thing as he's the only OG left... Must admit though again I didnt hate the WHOLE thing ;D
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^^yeah i expected it to be wacker than wack, but that isn't the case
to say that it's a good album tho, nah...
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they had 15 years and they made this album? I mean it's not a bad album, but it could've been better...the tags in each song are fucked up, maybe that's why I don't like it more
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they had 15 years and they made this album?
Well, considering how many changes in band line-up and how many producer changes have happened while working on this album, it's a surprise they managed to deliver anything at all.
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Why does this seem to bad mastered very low? Or am I tripping?
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anyone got the songs that didnt make it like from various osundtracks throughout the years, end of days ost, etc....
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Why does this seem to bad mastered very low? Or am I tripping?
It's not any lower than any other GnR album, and Appetite was considered very high for it's time, but it is a lot lower than most of the new rock albums that's for sure. We'll see how the disc sounds.
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wow this was probably the biggest let down ever.
Load/St. Anger by Metallica>>>>Chinese Democracy by the Axle Roses.
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wow this was probably the biggest let down ever.
Load/St. Anger by Metallica>>>>Chinese Democracy by the Axle Roses.
dont agree
you dont even like guns you said it many times/
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Why does this seem to bad mastered very low? Or am I tripping?
It's not any lower than any other GnR album, and Appetite was considered very high for it's time, but it is a lot lower than most of the new rock albums that's for sure. We'll see how the disc sounds.
Yeah, just had various recent Rock and Hip-Hop on my iPod playing thru the Xbox, and all the Chinese songs sounded really low in volume, compared..
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LMAO at Jake :D This album absolutely shits on anything Metallica has ever done, this album is fuckin brilliant! My god it's so amazing that I feel overwhelmed even listening to it, I never thought it would be this great but man it's incredible! Musically this album might be as good as any other album ever made and Axl sounds a lot better than I thought he would. Sorry is a crazy track, it sounds like Pink Floyd did a song with Axl, it is one of the best rock songs ever and I think it will be played for decades and decades, my god this album rocks!! One of the best rock albums of all time 8)
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The production and originality is great
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I've edited my joints cuz some of them feel over-produced with extra arrangements that fuck the vibe of the songs up for me. This is a good album, just that "less is more" woulda been better on some of the songs..
And everytime I heard Riads the background vocals remind me of "EVERYBODY DANCE NOW" lol...
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This is probably the best album of any genre released in the last 10+ years, Axl is a genius! This album is legendary
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This is probably the best album of any genre released in the last 10+ years, Axl is a genius! This album is legendary
you're joking right?
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This is probably the best album of any genre released in the last 10+ years, Axl is a genius! This album is legendary
you're joking right?
not one bit. This album is incredible! I cant imagine a better album that has been released in the last 10 years
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This is EASILY the best Rock album to come out in over 10 years 8)
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It will maybe come out in a few critics top ten lists for this year.
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It will maybe come out in a few critics top ten lists for this year.
have you listened to this whole album? Yeah I'm a huge GN'R fan but I didn't think I would like this but I'm blown away! Axl sounds amazing and the band he assembled is incredible, "Sorry" and "Better" both compare to old GN'R as far as I'm concerned.
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Yes, and it doesn't match up to a lot of rock albums that have come out this year.
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Yes, and it doesn't match up to a lot of rock albums that have come out this year.
Wow I couldn't disagree more man. It's all opinions but to me this shits on any rock that I have heard in the last decade, this band is so talented it's crazy, musically I cant see this album being matched and Axl sounds so good throughout the album.
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i love GnR but this album is like a 6/10
i still think you're joking
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can someone name me really good rock albums that came out in past 5 years? I like the new nickelback album
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can someone name me really good rock albums that came out in past 5 years? I like the new nickelback album
Arcade Fire- Funeral
Battles- Mirrored
Animal Collective- Strawberry Jam
Liars- Drum's Not Dead
TV on the Radio- Dear Science,
TV on the Radio- Return to Cookie Mountain
Radiohead- In Rainbows
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds- Dig!!! Lazarus Dig!!!
Fleet Foxes- Fleet Foxes
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can someone name me really good rock albums that came out in past 5 years? I like the new nickelback album
The new Guns N' Roses is by far the best. I cant stop listening to this album, it's a 5/5 classic as far as I am concerned.
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can someone name me really good rock albums that came out in past 5 years? I like the new nickelback album
The new Guns N' Roses is by far the best. I cant stop listening to this album, it's a 5/5 classic as far as I am concerned.
i'm with you man, i love the new album, after the 3rd and 4th listens you really start hearing the brillance behind it...i knew from the beginning it was going to be a love/hate affair with this album, makes no difference to me, i can't stop listening to it,
chill
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^^Fuck Yeah man!!! It might take a couple complete spins to really feel this album but man am I in love with this album!!! Its incredible!! I haven't heard rock music this good since I was 10 years old LOL
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^^Fuck Yeah man!!! It might take a couple complete spins to really feel this album but man am I in love with this album!!! Its incredible!! I haven't heard rock music this good since I was 10 years old LOL
i take it ur about 11 years old then
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^^Fuck Yeah man!!! It might take a couple complete spins to really feel this album but man am I in love with this album!!! Its incredible!! I haven't heard rock music this good since I was 10 years old LOL
i take it ur about 11 years old then
Nope I'm 24 and this album is the best rock music by far that has been released since the mid 90's, no question about it 8)
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^^Fuck Yeah man!!! It might take a couple complete spins to really feel this album but man am I in love with this album!!! Its incredible!! I haven't heard rock music this good since I was 10 years old LOL
i take it ur about 11 years old then
Nope I'm 24 and this album is the best rock music by far that has been released since the mid 90's, no question about it 8)
First off I love the new album and have always been an Axl Rose fan, but there is a lot of great shit that has come out since 1994. And it's much better than by far worse than Chinese Democracy.
Off the top of my head
White Stripes - White Blood Cells, and Elephant
Springsteen - The Rising, and Magic
the last two Arcade Fire Albums
This Is It by the Strokes
3 or 4 Radiohead albums
both Raconteurs albums
a few by RHCP
a few by Tool
And those ar the major label releases. I have tons of great stuff that'll never get one play on radio.
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LET BE CLEAR FOR ONE MINUTE.
The feeling that GnR had in the 80's was fun, but still carried pain and emotion. That was why we loved them. There was a certain sound that they made that was almost perfect..
Nowadays the genre has changed so much, you get some really un-focused bands trying to do some other shit, which while may be good, isn't the definition of proper Rock n Roll..
While Chinese Democracy isn't the greatest album of all time, and the band line-up isn't the same one we grew to love, it still kicks the shit out of alot of these other bands that are around right now..
What are y'all opinions of Limp Bizkit? Post only if you've heard the albums, cuz their singles were really sum bullshit. They have a new album coming out with Wes Borland back again..
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I gotta say "Sorry" hit me like a ton of bricks on how brilliant it is... I mean WOW :o ..... and I'm just started to get into GnR
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Lontime fan here.... 6.5/ 7 out of 10 tbh...... This is the best I could ever give this album... the first half is magic and then it all comes apart leaving me bored by the overblown solos and intro/outtros..... ya know Im a major fan of old G n R/ Slash.... Slash never made a solo or flew off on the lead gat for no reason... maybe if they made a few eof those latter songs a bit simpler than it would have been amzing like you say... as you pointed out its opinion.... I rate Kings Of Leon as a strong 7/ 7.5 and being the album that beats chinese democracy in this genre this year :) PEACE
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Lontime fan here.... 6.5/ 7 out of 10 tbh...... This is the best I could ever give this album... the first half is magic and then it all comes apart leaving me bored by the overblown solos and intro/outtros..... ya know Im a major fan of old G n R/ Slash.... Slash never made a solo or flew off on the lead gat for no reason... maybe if they made a few eof those latter songs a bit simpler than it would have been amzing like you say... as you pointed out its opinion.... I rate Kings Of Leon as a strong 7/ 7.5 and being the album that beats chinese democracy in this genre this year :) PEACE
I haven't heard the new Kings of Leon, but the previous album with Knocked Up was amazing.
You talk about Slash making solos like he called the shots. He was about as in charge of where the solos went as Eddie Van Halen was on Beat It. Is this album better than Appetite? Not even close, but it wouldn't be all that much different with or without Slash, and it's a lot better than the last two VR albums.
I like Slash as much as anyone else but this fantasy that he was somehow the creative muse behind the guitar work of GnR is false. He's an amazing musician, but GnR was always Axl's vision and Axl was always better at creating music than all the other members combined. And I say that based solely on the opinion that CD is better than VR, better than Snakepit, and better than Ju Ju.
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Anybody hit me with this?
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LET BE CLEAR FOR ONE MINUTE.
The feeling that GnR had in the 80's was fun, but still carried pain and emotion. That was why we loved them. There was a certain sound that they made that was almost perfect..
Nowadays the genre has changed so much, you get some really un-focused bands trying to do some other shit, which while may be good, isn't the definition of proper Rock n Roll..
While Chinese Democracy isn't the greatest album of all time, and the band line-up isn't the same one we grew to love, it still kicks the shit out of alot of these other bands that are around right now..
What are y'all opinions of Limp Bizkit? Post only if you've heard the albums, cuz their singles were really sum bullshit. They have a new album coming out with Wes Borland back again..
3 dollar bill and significant other were great albums, still pop them in here and there. great to listen to, reminds me of a certain era in my life,
chill
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this album was "detox", it was announced but nobody ever believed that it would be released one day.
im love g´n´r´s old shit.i will check the album but i heard its (very) disapointment for the fans..dunno maybe the guy who did review didnt like it..
what yall think about the album?
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can someone name me really good rock albums that came out in past 5 years? I like the new nickelback album
Arcade Fire- Funeral
Battles- Mirrored
Animal Collective- Strawberry Jam
Liars- Drum's Not Dead
TV on the Radio- Dear Science,
TV on the Radio- Return to Cookie Mountain
Radiohead- In Rainbows
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds- Dig!!! Lazarus Dig!!!
Fleet Foxes- Fleet Foxes
wow nickelbad is terrible, but on a different note, you love 'indie'
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Catcher in the Rye is a masterpiece... Best rock song to come out in years....
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^^^It's a great song but I think "Sorry" and "Better" are the 2 best on the album
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I really feel Better. Very close to classic GnR.. Check the second solo by Buckethead (The last one) on There Was a Time. Best solo on the album..
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Catcher in the Rye is a masterpiece... Best rock song to come out in years....
actualy this song is the worse
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wow this was probably the biggest let down ever.
Load/St. Anger by Metallica>>>>Chinese Democracy by the Axle Roses.
dont agree
you dont even like guns you said it many times/
1. i never said i don't like guns n roses
2. this album isn't guns n roses....it's the axle rose experience
3. this album is garbage.
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wow this was probably the biggest let down ever.
Load/St. Anger by Metallica>>>>Chinese Democracy by the Axle Roses.
dont agree
you dont even like guns you said it many times/
1. i never said i don't like guns n roses
2. this album isn't guns n roses....it's the axle rose experience
3. this album is garbage.
I didn't wanna say this, but Guns n Roses is a sound, and they have maintained it on this album, which leads me to believe Axl Rose was the creative force behind Guns n Roses with or without the previous band members.. There are alot of bands who get new members, and if the main artist(s) wanna keep on doing their thing with new ppl and they still make that same sound, why should they change the name?
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wow this was probably the biggest let down ever.
Load/St. Anger by Metallica>>>>Chinese Democracy by the Axle Roses.
dont agree
you dont even like guns you said it many times/
1. i never said i don't like guns n roses
2. this album isn't guns n roses....it's the axle rose experience
3. this album is garbage.
I just listened to St. Anger again recently. Then I took a shit later that night. While sitting on the toilet I realized that the noises of the farts and shit plopping into the water sounded better than that album.
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wow this was probably the biggest let down ever.
Load/St. Anger by Metallica>>>>Chinese Democracy by the Axle Roses.
dont agree
you dont even like guns you said it many times/
1. i never said i don't like guns n roses
2. this album isn't guns n roses....it's the axle rose experience
3. this album is garbage.
I didn't wanna say this, but Guns n Roses is a sound, and they have maintained it on this album, which leads me to believe Axl Rose was the creative force behind Guns n Roses with or without the previous band members.. There are alot of bands who get new members, and if the main artist(s) wanna keep on doing their thing with new ppl and they still make that same sound, why should they change the name?
Thats true I mean he did make Slash and the others sign the name away he better get his moneys worth... the sound has already reflected the change theres no need for people who dont live in caves to be told its not G N R we already know :P
You are entitled to your opinion though dude and good on you for liking it I wish I could like further than the first half 8)
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I have to disagree with all the hating. I love this album. I've been listening to it non stop since it leaked. I really can't think of many albums that you can play from front to back and not skip a track thats come out in recent times. I don't know about everyone else but I've been turn off by rock for years and this album is bringing me back.
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I have to disagree with all the hating. I love this album. I've been listening to it non stop since it leaked. I really can't think of many albums that you can play from front to back and not skip a track thats come out in recent times. I don't know about everyone else but I've been turn off by rock for years and this album is bringing me back.
Could not agree more!! +1!
Honestly though if you look all over you'll see the majority of the reviews for this album are positive!
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Well even sometimes the vocals can get a bit tiring, but the rest of the album is so good instrumentally... It almost overpowers the vocals...
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I thought the vocals were cool it was the overdone gat intros and outtros for the sake of it all the way through (Just needed to keep a few more songs a lil bit simpler and it would have been even better) ... I think its good not great and im not a hater I think I have been pretty fair about my review if I was the 'hater' mentioned above... all g if not 8)
This album was similar to me like "Death magnetic" Cool single once I got used to it and then towards the end fell off a lil.... ACDC was also an almost so old bands are still goin ok 8) 8) 8)
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stillinrehab - I wasn't referring to you hating, after rereading my post I can see how it may come off that way.
I was referring more to Magazine and on line music site reviews. It seems as though it not that the reviewers dislikes the album, it's just trendy for them to diss it since it in a sense became a running joke. It also seems that a lot of reviews either don't like Axel or don't like the fact that the album isn't the original members, so they don't even give it a chance. My favorite argument I keep hearing is it's not a GNR album it's an Axel solo album. I say who cares; it's all about the music. And right now I'm loving the music.
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The sales figures are finally in, and after a nearly 17-year wait, Guns N’ Roses’ Chinese Democracy scanned just 261,200 copies, earning the album the #3 position on Billboard’s weekly albums sales chart — right behind Taylor Swift’s Fearless at #2 (with 267,400 sold) and Kanye West’s 808s & Heartbreak, which opens at #1 with sales of 450,000 and change.
Two weeks ago, GN’R’s latest was considered a strong contender for the chart’s peak position, with some predicting the album would outperform West’s 808s in a close race for #1. Instead, history may show Chinese Democracy’s first-week sales as an epic failure.
So, what exactly went wrong? Was it a byproduct of an exclusive deal with Best Buy? Recent albums by the likes of AC/DC and the Eagles were both released exclusively through Wal-Mart (which boasts more locations than Best Buy), and both debuted at #1 with more than 700,000 sold. Did Rose sign an exclusive deal with the wrong retailer?
Did the complete lack of music videos and mainstream press (Rose had not granted any media interviews around the album’s release) hurt the album’s sales? Or did the LP’s extensive delay stymie interest? After all, 17 years is a long time to wait; some spouses don’t even wait that long for incarcerated loved ones.
Was it the innumerable online song leaks over the years, or will the economy be blamed for the album’s third-place finish? Perhaps, for a band that was popular 20 years ago, selling 261,000-plus records is a real achievement — especially in this day and age, when albums aren’t always bought, but illegally downloaded.
Source: MTV
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Shorter songs....
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Has anyone else heard the rumor about why sales are bad??? There is a rumor floating around that this album could have easily done number 1 and that Axel hasnt done any promo since the release. They have said that the reason that he hasnt done promo is because he has gone to ground and is trying to reform the old GNR... It is said that the old drummer is keen to come back after rehab and that Axel is on alright terms with Duff and Izzy and its just dependent on Slash who wouldnt normally even consider this shit but since Velvet Revolver just got dropped from their label there actually could be a chance for reconciliation.... i know its just a rumor but dreams are free ;D 8)
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Cuz lack of promo.. And the his choice of retail... I don't think the label wanted to spend even more money for just 1 video, lmao.
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LMAO at Jake :D This album absolutely shits on anything Metallica has ever done, this album is fuckin brilliant! My god it's so amazing that I feel overwhelmed even listening to it, I never thought it would be this great but man it's incredible! Musically this album might be as good as any other album ever made and Axl sounds a lot better than I thought he would. Sorry is a crazy track, it sounds like Pink Floyd did a song with Axl, it is one of the best rock songs ever and I think it will be played for decades and decades, my god this album rocks!! One of the best rock albums of all time 8)
wow kill yourself.
this album sucks
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not the same without slash duff izzy adler.....
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not the same without slash duff izzy adler.....
Well as I wrote above it could be in the works 8)
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Has anyone else heard the rumor about why sales are bad??? There is a rumor floating around that this album could have easily done number 1 and that Axel hasnt done any promo since the release. They have said that the reason that he hasnt done promo is because he has gone to ground and is trying to reform the old GNR... It is said that the old drummer is keen to come back after rehab and that Axel is on alright terms with Duff and Izzy and its just dependent on Slash who wouldnt normally even consider this shit but since Velvet Revolver just got dropped from their label there actually could be a chance for reconciliation.... i know its just a rumor but dreams are free ;D 8)
would be great
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Been listening to this again.... After all the hype and expectations are gone, and listening again, this is a damn good album.
It's just so much more progressive than everyone expected, they were turned off right away..
Go listen to this again guys, it really is a bit of everything for everyone...
And good production as well, I remember looking into it and it was some YOUNG dude from California, who I've never heard of.. But he did a really good job.
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not the same without slash duff izzy adler.....
Well as I wrote above it could be in the works 8)
Will never happen. Axl hates Slash, and thinks he betrayed the band by leaving 1995. Slash and Axl both confirmed a story about Slash showing up to Axl's house in LA a couple years back (like 2003), apparently Slash was hammered, and Axl not even speaking to him or letting him in.
As far as the music is concerned, its an awesome album, that if shallow minded people would look past "whos in or out" of the band and gave the music a chance, they'd probably like at least some of it.
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Been listening to this again.... After all the hype and expectations are gone, and listening again, this is a damn good album.
It's just so much more progressive than everyone expected, they were turned off right away..
Go listen to this again guys, it really is a bit of everything for everyone...
And good production as well, I remember looking into it and it was some YOUNG dude from California, who I've never heard of.. But he did a really good job.
I have also listened to this album in the last week... I feel it starts off very promising but there is too much filler after the first four tracks... He needed the other guys input to make it what G N R should really sound like these days... I no longer hate this album but it has a bit more that needs fixing before I could be happy with it.
The Slash thing never worked out. Velvet Revolver split and he turned down over 100 Million to go back... He is now bringing a solo album which has a bunch of dope guests and Fergie... I will be lookin out for it despite that blip 8)
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I loved this album when it leaked, after i bought it at best buy the day of it's release, and still today. I also just saw GN'R earlier this month on tour, Axl's voice sounded better than ever, no bullshit. He sounded way better than on this album as well. They played for almost 3 hours and the show and their new guitarist were unbelievable,
http://www.myspace.com/miclordzmusic <----Hiphop/Funk-Rock
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As far as the music is concerned, its an awesome album, that if shallow minded people would look past "whos in or out" of the band and gave the music a chance, they'd probably like at least some of it.
Yup, if you pretend this is just a new band coming out and don't put a GnR label on it, it's a pretty decent album.
The Slash thing never worked out. Velvet Revolver split and he turned down over 100 Million to go back... He is now bringing a solo album which has a bunch of dope guests and Fergie... I will be lookin out for it despite that blip 8)
Really? Make a thread for that album when it comes out? Please.
They played for almost 3 hours and the show and their new guitarist were unbelievable,
Who is the new guitarist? Does he have a resume?
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I loved this album when it leaked, after i bought it at best buy the day of it's release, and still today. I also just saw GN'R earlier this month on tour, Axl's voice sounded better than ever, no bullshit. He sounded way better than on this album as well. They played for almost 3 hours and the show and their new guitarist were unbelievable,
http://www.myspace.com/miclordzmusic <----Hiphop/Funk-Rock
Yeah. I still have this album in the rotation. I have to say, more than a year later and I still like almost the entire album, but some of my favorites are "Better," "IRS," "There Was a Time," "Street of Dreams," "Sorry" and "Madagascar."
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The new guitar player is Dj Ashba, he was also Nikki Sixx's guitarist on his latest album Sixx AM: http://www.myspace.com/djashba