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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Real American on July 14, 2006, 03:29:27 PM
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Arabs don't want peace, that is the only explanation for the current situation in the Middle East. Don't believe all these people saying that the "occupation" is what is causing the violence. The fact is, the Israelis withdrew from the "occupied" Gaza strip last year. What happened? The terrorist Hamas set up shop in the newly independent Palestinian territory and began launching rocket attacks into Israel and launching raids across the border like the one that killled 2 Israeli soliders a few weeks ago. And 5 years ago, Israeli withdrew from the occupied southern Lebanon. What happened? The exact same thing that happened in Gaza: Hezbollah has set up operations there and launched numerous terrorist attacks against the Israelis. The only explanation is that Arabs don't care about living peacefully side by side with Israelis. They also don't care about ending the occupation. All they want to do is kill Jews.
Seriously, what exactly is the point of sneaking across the border to kidnap Israeli soldiers??? They knew exactly how Israel would react, and they did it anyway because they WANT violence. They NEED violence. And Iran is egging on terrorist groups like Hezbollah because they want to take the focus off of their nuclear ambitions.
And anyone who is condemning the Israelis for their response needs to look in the mirror. What if these attacks were happening to your country? What if terrorists were sneaking across the Mexican border and kidnapping and killing Americans? What if terrorists were launching rocket attacks into major American cities? How would you want your country to respond?
Seriously, anyone who is against Israel is a brainwashed idiot.
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i think these ppl have been at war so long they can't comprehend what is to be at peace, so they never are
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Seriously, anyone who is against Israel is a brainwashed idiot.
LOL@ the irony.
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Arabs don't want peace, that is the only explanation for the current situation in the Middle East. Don't believe all these people saying that the "occupation" is what is causing the violence. The fact is, the Israelis withdrew from the "occupied" Gaza strip last year. What happened? The terrorist Hamas set up shop in the newly independent Palestinian territory and began launching rocket attacks into Israel and launching raids across the border like the one that killled 2 Israeli soliders a few weeks ago. And 5 years ago, Israeli withdrew from the occupied southern Lebanon. What happened? The exact same thing that happened in Gaza: Hezbollah has set up operations there and launched numerous terrorist attacks against the Israelis. The only explanation is that Arabs don't care about living peacefully side by side with Israelis. They also don't care about ending the occupation. All they want to do is kill Jews.
Seriously, what exactly is the point of sneaking across the border to kidnap Israeli soldiers??? They knew exactly how Israel would react, and they did it anyway because they WANT violence. They NEED violence. And Iran is egging on terrorist groups like Hezbollah because they want to take the focus off of their nuclear ambitions.
And anyone who is condemning the Israelis for their response needs to look in the mirror. What if these attacks were happening to your country? What if terrorists were sneaking across the Mexican border and kidnapping and killing Americans? What if terrorists were launching rocket attacks into major American cities? How would you want your country to respond?
Seriously, anyone who is against Israel is a brainwashed idiot.
save your essays for ur community college
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i think these ppl have been at war so long they can't comprehend what is to be at peace, so they never are
Actually there was peace in the region for 400 years while the Ottoman Empire was the Khalifa (leadership) in the region. Then, the Ottoman Empire was defeated in World War 1 and the Jews began commiting their genocide against the Palestinians and in 1948 a bunch of white people got together in the UN and decided to create the Jewish state of Isreal in region which had been inhabited by Arabs, thus Palestine was wiped off the map and the current condition was created.
And that doesn't even make any sense to say Iran is using this to deflect attention away from their nuclear weapons (you just got that line from Foxnews and thought it sounded nice) if anything it will cause more attention to be focused on Iran.
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^^58 years seems like a long time to me. ;)
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i think these ppl have been at war so long they can't comprehend what is to be at peace, so they never are
Actually there was peace in the region for 400 years while the Ottoman Empire was the Khalifa (leadership) in the region. Then, the Ottoman Empire was defeated in World War 1 and the Jews began commiting their genocide against the Palestinians and in 1948 a bunch of white people got together in the UN and decided to create the Jewish state of Isreal in region which had been inhabited by Arabs, thus Palestine was wiped off the map and the current condition was created.
And that doesn't even make any sense to say Iran is using this to deflect attention away from their nuclear weapons (you just got that line from Foxnews and thought it sounded nice) if anything it will cause more attention to be focused on Iran.
iran? nuclear weapons? ottoman? jew? what the fuck are you blubbering about now bryan?
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Arabs don't want peace, that is the only explanation for the current situation in the Middle East. Don't believe all these people saying that the "occupation" is what is causing the violence. The fact is, the Israelis withdrew from the "occupied" Gaza strip last year. What happened? The terrorist Hamas set up shop in the newly independent Palestinian territory and began launching rocket attacks into Israel and launching raids across the border like the one that killled 2 Israeli soliders a few weeks ago. And 5 years ago, Israeli withdrew from the occupied southern Lebanon. What happened? The exact same thing that happened in Gaza: Hezbollah has set up operations there and launched numerous terrorist attacks against the Israelis. The only explanation is that Arabs don't care about living peacefully side by side with Israelis. They also don't care about ending the occupation. All they want to do is kill Jews.
Seriously, what exactly is the point of sneaking across the border to kidnap Israeli soldiers??? They knew exactly how Israel would react, and they did it anyway because they WANT violence. They NEED violence. And Iran is egging on terrorist groups like Hezbollah because they want to take the focus off of their nuclear ambitions.
And anyone who is condemning the Israelis for their response needs to look in the mirror. What if these attacks were happening to your country? What if terrorists were sneaking across the Mexican border and kidnapping and killing Americans? What if terrorists were launching rocket attacks into major American cities? How would you want your country to respond?
Seriously, anyone who is against Israel is a brainwashed idiot.
hamas held a ceasefire while israeli continued to attack gaza even tho they had withdrawn, israeli was being the big bad ass bully - hamas was down on the ground trying to stop the fight while israel was kicking him in the ribs trying to tempt him to get back up and fight again. Israeli did the same shit to lebenon they carried out attacks there and breach their soverign territory loads of times i guess that was never an act of war, because they only happen when shit happens to israelis. Then u also got to consider that deadline the west had given to iran on its nuclear program which was the same day hezbollah kidnapped those soldiiers and everyone shifted their focus if only temporarily..........
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as haaretz has pointed out in the article i just posted, you are not getting all of the story, once again you are getting controlled news, manipulated to suit the agenda. The real truths are that it was IDF soldiers who went into lebanese territory and were then ambushed, i.e. a legitimate self defence seeing as though lebanon is indeed a sovereign state and that there was also provoocation which lead to the kidnapping of the IDF solider. Once again this is a blatant illustration of how Israel can basically shut up the entire western media. I mean for fuck sake it takes a jewish newspaper to speak out on this. It's now becoming clear how the seeds needed for the war on Iran are being sowed. Use Israel as the battering ram to commit atrocoity after atrocity and widen what its own prime minister has called a war, he hasnt even bothered to call it a war on terror.
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hamas held a ceasefire while israeli continued to attack gaza even tho they had withdrawn, israeli was being the big bad ass bully - hamas was down on the ground trying to stop the fight while israel was kicking him in the ribs trying to tempt him to get back up and fight again. Israeli did the same shit to lebenon they carried out attacks there and breach their soverign territory loads of times i guess that was never an act of war, because they only happen when shit happens to israelis. Then u also got to consider that deadline the west had given to iran on its nuclear program which was the same day hezbollah kidnapped those soldiiers and everyone shifted their focus if only temporarily..........
The only time Israel ever attacks in in direct response to attacks against its people. This latest case is a good example, Hezballah and Hamas are kidnapping Israeli soliders and launching rocket attacks for no reason.THOSE ACTIONS WERE UNPROVOKED. Now Israelis are using exercising their right to self defense.
It is sad, but Arabs obviously are not content to live in peace. They knew that their attacks on Israel would result in a response, now they got it.
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Israel shelled a family in Gaza that were sunning themselves on the beacH WEEKS BEFORE THIS KIDNAPPING
With the countless atrocities that Israel is carrying out it is apparent that they are basically saying that the life of a jew is worth ten of an arab, all the provocation is coming from Israel
Israel actually kidnapped some palestinians before the kindapping of their soldier
Israel is delberately targeting civilian targets
Israel has violated syrian airspace when it had a plane fly just past the presidential palace
Israel is trying to create the climate for a huge war, do you not understand this are you really so incredilbly stupid
Haaretz is an israeli newspaper, the person writing the article obviously gives a shit he says that what Israel is carrying out leves it nothing but a terrorist organisation itself
Israel holds over 200 nuclear weapons and this is the way in which it acts
Yet you still call this an act of self defence,
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Israel is delberately targeting civilian targets
Fallacy^^
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Israel is delberately targeting civilian targets
Fallacy^^
Exactly? Why would Israel want to deliberately kill civilains.
Virtuoso is a brainwashed nut case.
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You truly are thick as pig shit, i said civilian targets i.e. the electricity and water supplies. It's also not out of Israel's remit to deliberately target civilians either, british peace activists getting deliberately run over spring to mind. You are the nut case for being apologetic about this.
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You truly are thick as pig shit, i said civilian targets i.e. the electricity and water supplies. It's also not out of Israel's remit to deliberately target civilians either, british peace activists getting deliberately run over spring to mind. You are the nut case for being apologetic about this.
pig shit eh?
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Arabs don't want peace, that is the only explanation for the current situation in the Middle East. Don't believe all these people saying that the "occupation" is what is causing the violence. The fact is, the Israelis withdrew from the "occupied" Gaza strip last year. What happened? The terrorist Hamas set up shop in the newly independent Palestinian territory and began launching rocket attacks into Israel and launching raids across the border like the one that killled 2 Israeli soliders a few weeks ago. And 5 years ago, Israeli withdrew from the occupied southern Lebanon. What happened? The exact same thing that happened in Gaza: Hezbollah has set up operations there and launched numerous terrorist attacks against the Israelis. The only explanation is that Arabs don't care about living peacefully side by side with Israelis. They also don't care about ending the occupation. All they want to do is kill Jews.
Seriously, what exactly is the point of sneaking across the border to kidnap Israeli soldiers??? They knew exactly how Israel would react, and they did it anyway because they WANT violence. They NEED violence. And Iran is egging on terrorist groups like Hezbollah because they want to take the focus off of their nuclear ambitions.
And anyone who is condemning the Israelis for their response needs to look in the mirror. What if these attacks were happening to your country? What if terrorists were sneaking across the Mexican border and kidnapping and killing Americans? What if terrorists were launching rocket attacks into major American cities? How would you want your country to respond?
Seriously, anyone who is against Israel is a brainwashed idiot.
The Jews were supposed to hand over The West Back in September of 2000, they didn't, BTW HAMAS is an Mossad Organazition: http://judicial-inc.biz/hamas.htm
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, Hezballah and Hamas are kidnapping Israeli soliders and launching rocket attacks for no reason.THOSE ACTIONS WERE UNPROVOKED.
lmfao....hamas actions are unprovoke?. israel occupies parts of lebanon and all of palestine.
see why ure an idiot?
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let them just whipe eachother out, aslong as they dont use nukes or invade other countries, let em fuck up their own lives.
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Israel doesn't occupy all of Palestine, Jordan is also occupying a portion (A greater one). Why isn't Jordan under missile attack if this is about land per se?
Here's a hint: BLACK SEPTEMBER
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The Jews were supposed to hand over The West Back in September of 2000, they didn't, BTW HAMAS is an Mossad Organazition: http://judicial-inc.biz/hamas.htm
How reliable is that site ???
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Fuck a color or race, religion period...lol
it's almost over homie.
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lmfao....hamas actions are unprovoke?. israel occupies parts of lebanon and all of palestine.
see why ure an idiot?
Israel has been out of Lebanon since 2000. The only army occupying Lebanon now is Hezballah, you dumbmotherfucker.
Now why don't you put on your turban, hop on your pet camel, and ride on out of this thread............bitch.
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lmfao....hamas actions are unprovoke?. israel occupies parts of lebanon and all of palestine.
see why ure an idiot?
Israel has been out of Lebanon since 2000. The only army occupying Lebanon now is Hezballah, you dumbmotherfucker.
Now why don't you put on your turban, hop on your pet camel, and ride on out of this thread............bitch.
LOL
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The only army occupying Lebanon now is Hezballah
Damn, you truly are retarded.
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You're right Jamal. He meant to say "The only terrorist group occupying Lebanon right now..."
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You're right Jamal. He meant to say "The only terrorist group occupying Lebanon right now..."
Army, terror group.....whatever you want to call them. The point is that Hezbllah, not the Lebanese government, controls Southern Lebanon.
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Yea, one of Israel's primary objectives in its actions is to establish Lebanese control over South Lebanon.
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You're right Jamal. He meant to say "The only terrorist group occupying Lebanon right now..."
Yes because if you're against Israel's actions, you must be a terrorist. However, bulldozing homes, bombing entire villages, etc... those things are all okay and justified.
Also, if you want to put it that way, we can go as far as stating that the IDF/the Israeli government is the largest terrorist group occupying PALESTINE right now.
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Justice exists within conventions. No convention means no scale for the evaluation of justice.
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Justice exits within conventions. No convention means no scale for the evaluation of justice.
If Hezbollah were to decimate Israel's aiports, docks, bridges, etc while killing hundreds of civilians... the act would immediately be labeled as an act of "TERRORISM"... yet Israel is innocent in all its actions.
By the way, you might want to try to at least make sense with your bullshit quotes.
"Justice EXITS within conventions"...? Get the fuck out of here with that bullshit, fucking doofus.
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Do me a favour read a book.
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Do me a favour read a book.
Do yourself, and the rest of us a favor by taking your own advice.
Justice may exist within conventions, but how does something EXIT WITHIN something? LOL retard. Next time you try to use quotes make sure you understand them yourself, and make sure you're actually using the right words. I don't know how many more times I have to show you that you're not on my level. Last time you ended up making yourself look like a complete moron, but I guess you just don't catch on to things as quickly as others.
"If Hezbollah were to decimate Israel's aiports, docks, bridges, etc while killing hundreds of civilians... the act would immediately be labeled as an act of "TERRORISM"... yet Israel is innocent in all its actions."
No response? It's ok, I didn't really expect a reasonable or rational one to begin with.
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lmfao....hamas actions are unprovoke?. israel occupies parts of lebanon and all of palestine.
see why ure an idiot?
Israel has been out of Lebanon since 2000. The only army occupying Lebanon now is Hezballah, you dumbmotherfucker.
Now why don't you put on your turban, hop on your pet camel, and ride on out of this thread............bitch.
ahahaha...turban? camel? ure more played out than kwames polka dots, mc hammers pants, and master p's grunt put together
israel occupies the sheba farms.
israel routinely encroaches lebanese airspace
israel routinely crosses the border (till they got caught slippin aha)
ie. u dumb motherfucker, once again. dont think that when me and u talk, its because i like u. or that i respect u. or im happy to engage in conversation with u. its so i can entertain myself by making fun of u.
its not that hard. we had a decent routine going for a while. u show up, say something dumb, i come in, make fun of u, all is well.
now u gettin gassed, because a few chimpanzees are laughin with you. so now u think u had big balls. but ure c walker. ure my bitch. ure the pasty cracker remember. son of a raped polish slut ass cracker. watching porn and skippin the scenes that dont show whit e dick ass cracker. G Spot pass revoked ass cracker. TOT pass revoked ass cracker.
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It's not even that Tech its that suddenly when the lies are exposed like the myth about Iran making jews wear yellow badges, like the real reason for the kidnapping of the iDF, like where the IDF soldiers were actually when they got attacked. Sudddenly it goes from a moral stance of defending israeli sovereignty to who cares, the lies dont matter to me we still need to attack in self defence. Even though it them that engineered it, so for them to say they are acting in self defence is a contradiction.
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Justice may exist within conventions, but how does something EXIT WITHIN something?
Something exists within something, when one something is a precondition for the other something U DUMB FUCK. Just like brain activity exists only within a living person and can't exist without a living person (Though your case really makes me wonder whether EVERY living person was endowed with this capability), no brain activity can be found within a dead person, just absence of it.The concept of Justice can't be applied, can not be measured or evaluated when there are no conventions between the people or the parties- like during a war for example. Justice is a derivative of conventions. It doesn't mean that everything done within conventions is necessarily just, it simply means that the only way to address, evaluate, measure the criterion of justice is within conventions (in accordance with the extent of the conventions' transgression). If you exert your brain for a long enough time period you can also see how this answers your repetitive rattle about the aftermath of what Hamas and Hezbollah have been doing. Namely, whether their actions or the actions of Israel can be "justified". And my answer was NO (What you obviously didn't get), since the criterion of justice is inapplicable in this case (Due to absence of conventions between the sides in the midst of war).
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Sudddenly it goes from a moral stance of defending israeli sovereignty to who cares
Tell me please, when did it ever stop being about defending Israeli sovereignty? Do you think that Israel's actions right now have nothing to do with defending its sovereignty? I understand you have nothing firm to ground your subjective take on the situation so I suggest you use JML's technique of addressing yourself in plural as well as claiming the rest are not on your level.
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Justice may exist within conventions, but how does something EXIT WITHIN something?
Something exists within something, when one something is a precondition for the other something U DUMB FUCK. Just like brain activity exits only within a living person and can't exist without a living person (Though your case really makes me wonder whether EVERY living person was endowed with this capability), no brain activity can be found within a dead person, just absence of it.The concept of Justice can't be applied, can not be measured or evaluated when there are no conventions between the people or the parties- like during a war for example. Justice is a derivative of conventions. It doesn't mean that everything done within conventions is necessarily just, it simply means that the only way to address, evaluate, measure the criterion of justice is within conventions (in accordance with the extent of the conventions' transgression). If you exert your brain for a long enough time period you can also see how this answers your repetitive rattle about the aftermath of what Hamas and Hezbollah have been doing. Namely, whether their actions or the actions of Israel can be "justified". And my answer was NO (What you obviously didn't get), since the criterion of justice is inapplicable in this case (Due to absence of conventions between the sides in the midst of war).
LMFAO.
EXIST = EXIT ? DUMBFUCK.
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thats a pretty weak argument buddy. he just busted some shit whatd you do
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thats a pretty weak argument buddy. he just busted some shit whatd you do
It's not an argument... I'm just restating my initial post... he didn't catch it and assumed I needed an explanation from his illiterate ass... when all I was pointing out is that he's using the wrong fucking word to begin with.
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Oops! My bad!
Well sue me biatch. Got any response though?
It's not an argument...
^^^Do you actually have one?