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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: F-cisco on February 07, 2007, 05:44:53 PM
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Ok, this album for right and/or wrong gets discussed heavily. I wanted fellow members to share their ideas on this. If you were in charge, what would you change to make it better.... Production wise... promotion.etc. I would have removed all those worthless skits(except for the intro & outro) and add the following tracks Midnight Love, Street Life along with other tracks. Here's my ideal tracklisting:
1.Intro
2.DoggFather
3.Hit Rocks
4.Groupie
5.You Thought
6.Midnight Love
7.Up Jump Tha Boogie
8.Vapors
9.Change Gone Come
10.Doggyland
11.Upside ya head
12.Me and My Doggs
13.Gold Rush
14.Downtown Assassins
15.Street Life
16.Outro
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kool shit
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All I know is that I put that album on the other day for the first time in ages and was shocked at how tight it is. I guess I didn't appreciate it when it came out because I was expecting another Doggystyle. But looking back that album is dope as hell and I have been banging it the past few days non stop.
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All I know is that I put that album on the other day for the first time in ages and was shocked at how tight it is. I guess I didn't appreciate it when it came out because I was expecting another Doggystyle. But looking back that album is dope as hell and I have been banging it the past few days non stop.
co-sign, I bought it the day it came out and was so dissapointed, but this is definitely Snoop's second best album, the only thing wrong with this album was the mixing on some of these tracks could be better, that's where Dre was really missed, but damn this is one of my favorite albums of all time
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Ok, this album for right and/or wrong gets discussed heavily. I wanted fellow members to share their ideas on this. If you were in charge, what would you change to make it better.... Production wise... promotion.etc. I would have removed all those worthless skits(except for the intro & outro) and add the following tracks Midnight Love, Street Life along with other tracks. Here's my ideal tracklisting:
1.Intro
2.DoggFather
3.Hit Rocks
4.Groupie
5.You Thought
6.Midnight Love
7.Up Jump Tha Boogie
8.Vapors
9.Change Gone Come
10.Doggyland
11.Upside ya head
12.Me and My Doggs
13.Gold Rush
14.Downtown Assassins
15.Street Life
16.Outro
WTF??? You removed OJ Wake UP? Thats the best song on there
Also, How the fuck u gonna remove Blueberry and Snoops upside ya head? Also 2 of the best songs on there
I would remove the skits except for the intro and I would remove Freestyle conversation
I would add Midnight Love and Eastside Party
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I would not change a thing about the album.
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To Doggfather I would have added "Hit Rocks," "Street life" and maybe "Intro 2 the Indo" only. Maybe remove six minutes and that track with Soopafly and Too $hort (can't stand that song)....BUT, if Snoop had the opportunity to release a third LP on Death Row I would have wanted it to look like:
May I
C-Walkin
Head Doctor (original LT Hutton solo version)
County Blues
I will Survive
Eastside Party
O.G. (from Daz's album)
Too High
Gangsta Walk
Keep it Real
Pay for Pussy (Big Pimpin interlude) (from Game is to be sold album)
Freaky Tales (from originators album)
Eastside (aka Death Row Eastside)
Midnight Luv
Let me Hit somethin'
Every Single Day (from Dogg Pound 2002)
Change Gon Come
And possibly adding that "I just wanna be a DPG" song from LBC Crew comp or a more Snoop'd/g-funked out version of Nate's "Never leave me alone" (BTW make that CD above in that order it's really bangin'. Using 21st Jumpstreet in the place of track 3 works well too)
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I wish that the sound quality of this CD was better.
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and to who said remove 6 mins and the short dog track you are insane... 2 of the best songs
I would not change a thing about the album.
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Full circle sucks
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and to who said remove 6 mins and the short dog track you are insane... 2 of the best songs
I would not change a thing about the album.
To me Sixx min is nothing special and I just can't stand "You Thought" dont know why but for me it's the biggest skip track on that album. But I sure wouldnt think twice about switching Sixx min for "Street life" or "Hit Rocks" that's for sure.
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i think that album is dope no reason to change it likei said....
"BITCH what a ya smokin, a big fat dick comin from EAST OAKLAND"
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this album is fuckin' dope. besides doggystyle i think this is my fav. snoop cd.
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All i know is that i love the line "Im fly like a duv, i come from up above" love it
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Doggfather was actually the first Snoop album I bought, which was probably for the better. While the album was plenty funky thanks to DJ Pooh, I knew when I was 12 the album needed something else. It seemed like it was rushed to take advantage of 2pac's death. Most of the tracks were pretty good though.
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WTF??? You removed OJ Wake UP? Thats the best song on there
Also, How the fuck u gonna remove Blueberry and Snoops upside ya head? Also 2 of the best songs on there
I would remove the skits except for the intro and I would remove Freestyle conversation
I would add Midnight Love and Eastside Party
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I Agree Where is Wake Up ft TRAY DEEE ??? I would add Too High, Eastside Party & Midnight Love
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Ok, this album for right and/or wrong gets discussed heavily. I wanted fellow members to share their ideas on this. If you were in charge, what would you change to make it better.... Production wise... promotion.etc. I would have removed all those worthless skits(except for the intro & outro) and add the following tracks Midnight Love, Street Life along with other tracks. Here's my ideal tracklisting:
1.Intro
2.DoggFather
3.Hit Rocks
4.Groupie
5.You Thought
6.Midnight Love
7.Up Jump Tha Boogie
8.Vapors
9.Change Gone Come
10.Doggyland
11.Upside ya head
12.Me and My Doggs
13.Gold Rush
14.Downtown Assassins
15.Street Life
16.Outro
One thing about it, something needed to be done to fix "Doggfather.," although I must admit time has been a lot kinder too it than I expected. At first I think I didn't care for it because musically, it's a big departure from "Doggystyle." There are actually quite a few good songs on it though. Still, there are places where I would have made changes. I agree that adding "Street Life" and "Midnight Love" would have gone a long way in improving the cd. I think I also would have taken Charlie Wilson off some of the songs. If memory serves me, it seems he overused Charlie Wilson here just like he overused Kokane on "Last Meal" and Dueces and Treys." I also admit though, I don't have all the answers. I'd probably have to go back and listen to it yet again to decide what changes I'd want to make and where to make them. Off the top of my head I think maybe I would have used "May I" and "Head Doctor" somewhere on this album too. But that's just a thought.
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All I know is that I put that album on the other day for the first time in ages and was shocked at how tight it is. I guess I didn't appreciate it when it came out because I was expecting another Doggystyle. But looking back that album is dope as hell and I have been banging it the past few days non stop.
True 8)
webratsmusic.com 8)
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Ok, this album for right and/or wrong gets discussed heavily. I wanted fellow members to share their ideas on this. If you were in charge, what would you change to make it better.... Production wise... promotion.etc. I would have removed all those worthless skits(except for the intro & outro) and add the following tracks Midnight Love, Street Life along with other tracks. Here's my ideal tracklisting:
1.Intro
2.DoggFather
3.Hit Rocks
4.Groupie
5.You Thought
6.Midnight Love
7.Up Jump Tha Boogie
8.Vapors
9.Change Gone Come
10.Doggyland
11.Upside ya head
12.Me and My Doggs
13.Gold Rush
14.Downtown Assassins
15.Street Life
16.Outro
WTF??? You removed OJ Wake UP? Thats the best song on there
Also, How the fuck u gonna remove Blueberry and Snoops upside ya head? Also 2 of the best songs on there
I would remove the skits except for the intro and I would remove Freestyle conversation
I would add Midnight Love and Eastside Party
I felt Snoop got outshinded by his friends on this album badly; and some of the songs were just too boring for my personal taste. To make it worse he sounded disinterested. Yes, he was trying to showcase the talents of others but he did it too much and the record suffered tremendously, it sounded like a compilation rather than a solo project... Apart from that, sound was completely off, poor mixing and mastering job, really affects the listening experience.
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The album is fine the way it is, Doggystyle was a huge album. It was hard to come off that album. But I dont have any problems wit it.
The time this album was made was a fucked up time. Court for snoop an pac die'n. A lot of crazy shit. 8)
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I would not change a thing about the album.
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definitely his 2nd best album..
4.5/5 mics
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definitely his 2nd best album..
4.5/5 mics
co-sign, Snoop's flow and lyrics were underrated too on this album, he killed Snoop Bounce, 2001, Up Jump Tha Boogie, and all the guests killed it too, Tray Dee murdered his spots :o
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OJ Wake UP is my favorite song from that album
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you also removed "snoop bounce" thats the hardest beat on the album. you fucked up big time
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lol at the lames who just found out this is a good cd
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you also removed "snoop bounce" thats the hardest beat on the album. you fucked up big time
That song fuckin sucks, easily the worst on the album. You think that's a good beat? It's just another cheap "More Bounce To The Ounce" rip-off, and that shit had been sampled to death long before "Tha Doggfather" came out. You fucked up big time for saying that.
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i like the whole cd. the mixing is subpar but it's still bomb
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even though it's cool that you're openly back again, your sn was way funnier as just "The Game Is Thick (No Homo)"
anyway,I think the fact that so many here disagree on how to fix it is evidence of most post dre snoop output=huge albums with a lot of different collaborators so that though all of the record won't please everyone, there will be at least a few/some songs for each fan that will really bang.
-T
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lol at the lames who just found out this is a good cd
:sign_werd:
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you also removed "snoop bounce" thats the hardest beat on the album. you fucked up big time
That song fuckin sucks, easily the worst on the album. You think that's a good beat? It's just another cheap "More Bounce To The Ounce" rip-off, and that shit had been sampled to death long before "Tha Doggfather" came out. You fucked up big time for saying that.
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I think trax should have much louder vocals, coz' these r so quiet... Rest r O.K. I think...
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Ok, this album for right and/or wrong gets discussed heavily. I wanted fellow members to share their ideas on this. If you were in charge, what would you change to make it better.... Production wise... promotion.etc. I would have removed all those worthless skits(except for the intro & outro) and add the following tracks Midnight Love, Street Life along with other tracks. Here's my ideal tracklisting:
1.Intro
2.DoggFather
3.Hit Rocks
4.Groupie
5.You Thought
6.Midnight Love
7.Up Jump Tha Boogie
8.Vapors
9.Change Gone Come
10.Doggyland
11.Upside ya head
12.Me and My Doggs
13.Gold Rush
14.Downtown Assassins
15.Street Life
16.Outro
One thing about it, something needed to be done to fix "Doggfather.," although I must admit time has been a lot kinder too it than I expected. At first I think I didn't care for it because musically, it's a big departure from "Doggystyle." There are actually quite a few good songs on it though. Still, there are places where I would have made changes. I agree that adding "Street Life" and "Midnight Love" would have gone a long way in improving the cd. I think I also would have taken Charlie Wilson off some of the songs. If memory serves me, it seems he overused Charlie Wilson here just like he overused Kokane on "Last Meal" and Dueces and Treys." I also admit though, I don't have all the answers. I'd probably have to go back and listen to it yet again to decide what changes I'd want to make and where to make them. Off the top of my head I think maybe I would have used "May I" and "Head Doctor" somewhere on this album too. But that's just a thought.
you can never overuse charlie wilson. cmon now...
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yeah, i like when he fucks with the same two hook cats alot for a record, gives it alot of cohesion and a feeling of homeyness(no homo) in the songs.
-T
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I think trax should have much louder vocals, coz' these r so quiet... Rest r O.K. I think...
nobody mixes a record like Dre so that's where he was missed
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Ain't nothing wrong with the album. Just that the mixing could've been done better, but otherwise, it's perfectly fine as it is.
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I think expectations were raised too high on this one, like someone said before everybody was expecting another Doggystyle which it obviously wasn't. But it's still a dope album recorded during a very turbulent time in hip hop...
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I think trax should have much louder vocals, coz' these r so quiet... Rest r O.K. I think...
nobody mixes a record like Dre so that's where he was missed
Yeah, this is whole problem. No Dre = no perfect production...
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All I know is that I put that album on the other day for the first time in ages and was shocked at how tight it is. I guess I didn't appreciate it when it came out because I was expecting another Doggystyle. But looking back that album is dope as hell and I have been banging it the past few days non stop.
True 8)
webratsmusic.com 8)
Very ture
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Well i''l be damned!!
When this al;bum came out, foks around my area ddin't like it..guess they were expecting anutha Doggstyle..
But i love this album...Sure the beats were different....But it gave Dj Pooh a chance to Shine!!
i like his Beats!!!!..Dude is straig Cool..with All those funky Sub Bass lines and arpeggiators and all!!!
the mixing culda been done properly..
But Snoop has a lot of cool lines on this Album..
The dog run up on me I give him a cold
Like nigga back up off me
He turn around and bite the police ;D ;D ;D
Matter of fact..i'ma go bomp this album!!
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Well i''l be damned!!
When this al;bum came out, foks around my area ddin't like it..guess they were expecting anutha Doggstyle..
But i love this album...Sure the beats were different....But it gave Dj Pooh a chance to Shine!!
i like his Beats!!!!..Dude is straig Cool..with All those funky Sub Bass lines and arpeggiators and all!!!
the mixing culda been done properly..
But Snoop has a lot of cool lines on this Album..
The dog run up on me I give him a cold
Like nigga back up off me
He turn around and bite the police ;D ;D ;D
Matter of fact..i'ma go bomp this album!!
say what you want about my sexuality or whatever the fuck, but that signature is ridiculously cute.
-T
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I think trax should have much louder vocals, coz' these r so quiet... Rest r O.K. I think...
nobody mixes a record like Dre so that's where he was missed
Yeah, this is whole problem. No Dre = no perfect production...
I thought the album was good I dont care about Dre not being on there since Dre is God here I can see why every1 is saying this Album is easily one of Snoops best albums.
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Well i''l be damned!!
When this al;bum came out, foks around my area ddin't like it..guess they were expecting anutha Doggstyle..
But i love this album...Sure the beats were different....But it gave Dj Pooh a chance to Shine!!
i like his Beats!!!!..Dude is straig Cool..with All those funky Sub Bass lines and arpeggiators and all!!!
the mixing culda been done properly..
But Snoop has a lot of cool lines on this Album..
The dog run up on me I give him a cold
Like nigga back up off me
He turn around and bite the police ;D ;D ;D
Matter of fact..i'ma go bomp this album!!
say what you want about my sexuality or whatever the fuck, but that signature is ridiculously cute.
-T
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Tanjibility-You a funny Dude, homie!!!...lol
But Ya rite the pic does look Cool!!!
Peace!!
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yeah that dog is extra coo.
and though dre is by far my favorite hip hop artist period, i think doggfather is dope. The beats are extra smooth and dope, snoop just needs that doggystyle delivery. the lyrics on doggfather at times are alot better than the lyrics on doggystyle, the dre production is needed here not cause of the beats but to coach snoop into delivering the goods!
-T
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All I know is that I put that album on the other day for the first time in ages and was shocked at how tight it is. I guess I didn't appreciate it when it came out because I was expecting another Doggystyle. But looking back that album is dope as hell and I have been banging it the past few days non stop.
True 8)
webratsmusic.com 8)
Very true
Underated
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I'd have changed not the tracklisting, but Snoop. To fix 'The Doggfather' you would have to simply spice up Snoop's vocals. They are completely without energy. I'd also add more bass to most of the beats, perhaps.
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I'd have changed not the tracklisting, but Snoop. To fix 'The Doggfather' you would have to simply spice up Snoop's vocals. They are completely without energy. I'd also add more bass to most of the beats, perhaps.
truth, it's a very well produced record, snoop just sounds sad as fuck cause of pac
-T
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I actually first bought this album when DR re-issued it sometime in 2006 with a bonus DVD with the music videos. I had very low expectations so it exceeded them. I think they almost did the best they could without Dre, they had good producers and sure there were some mediocre tracks but overall I'd say it's a solid album. Favorite tracks for me are 2001, Vapors, Groupie, and O.J. (Wake Up Call).
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I actually first bought this album when DR re-issued it sometime in 2006 with a bonus DVD with the music videos. I had very low expectations so it exceeded them. I think they almost did the best they could without Dre, they had good producers and sure there were some mediocre tracks but overall I'd say it's a solid album. Favorite tracks for me are 2001, Vapors, Groupie, and O.J. (Wake Up Call).
agreed, snoop is just rappin' too low for my liking
-T
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Snoop went through Dre leaving, Pac getting killed, Suge in jail and the big one, just getting aquitted in a long and draining murder case. He could not be on some Murder Was The Case type shit on the 2nd album. That would almost be gloating about it to alot of people. I think he was really contemplating changing his ways and his lyrics, but that style is what he does best. I don't know too many artists that had more to go through in a recording process for a album more so than what Snoop did.
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Snoop went through Dre leaving, Pac getting killed, Suge in jail and the big one, just getting aquitted in a long and draining murder case. He could not be on some Murder Was The Case type shit on the 2nd album. That would almost be gloating about it to alot of people. I think he was really contemplating changing his ways and his lyrics, but that style is what he does best. I don't know too many artists that had more to go through in a recording process for a album more so than what Snoop did.
i felt like pac dying was a bigger deal for snoop based on what i've read
-T
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Snoop went through Dre leaving, Pac getting killed, Suge in jail and the big one, just getting aquitted in a long and draining murder case. He could not be on some Murder Was The Case type shit on the 2nd album. That would almost be gloating about it to alot of people. I think he was really contemplating changing his ways and his lyrics, but that style is what he does best. I don't know too many artists that had more to go through in a recording process for a album more so than what Snoop did.
i felt like pac dying was a bigger deal for snoop based on what i've read
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It was rough too because he thought he was a target and the fact he lost a good friend. It probably scared him again when Biggie was killed also. But I remember that murder trial and that took alot out of Snoop. I remember not being sure if he would be found innocent in that case. For me, it has always been about flow with him and he tried a different flow on that album and he did not sound comfortable. But I never knock the content, because I am sure he felt like second guessing himself after the trial went down. That has to fuck with your creative process a little bit being a gangsta rapper fresh off a murder case.
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i liked his flow content and all that, i just wished we would have had the same voice/enthusiasm/delivery as DS in that shit, it would be a comparable classic. all those producers got the fuck down
-T
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i liked his flow content and all that, i just wished we would have had the same voice/enthusiasm/delivery as DS in that shit, it would be a comparable classic. all those producers got the fuck down
-T
Yeah he struggled with his flow and delivery even in the albums after Doggfather. As he got further into his albums I think he was able to maintain a sicker flow/delivery over more and more songs.
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this is still my second favorite Snoop record, on that joint 2001 Snoop's flow is :o, very underrated production on this album by Pooh and Daz, only thing the mixing on some of the songs might be lacking maybe due to Dre not mixing it and Snoop's delivery not being the same on alot of tracks but I look at this album like a laid back gangsta album if there is such a thing
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its solid to me as is, 2nd fav album by snoop
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All I know is that I put that album on the other day for the first time in ages and was shocked at how tight it is. I guess I didn't appreciate it when it came out because I was expecting another Doggystyle. But looking back that album is dope as hell and I have been banging it the past few days non stop.
co-sign, I bought it the day it came out and was so dissapointed, but this is definitely Snoop's second best album, the only thing wrong with this album was the mixing on some of these tracks could be better, that's where Dre was really missed, but damn this is one of my favorite albums of all time
the mixing could of been a lot better, some tracks are downright terrible and makes me wonder wat the hell was going on
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DJ Pooh did a great job on that album but I agree "Doggfather" misses something, maybe "Street Life" should been there.
Check out this live performance of "Snoop's Upside Ya Head" at SNL, 1997, it's the bomb: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDGIeC7vrTs
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This CD is bangin' from start to finish, definately amongst the greatest albums Death Row put out, but on some tracks i find something missing, like others already said before me. The beats sound kinda "hollow" like they could have used some bass or something, but i can agree with the people who are saying this is classic, it is.
On a sidenote, i always wondered why Kurupt isn't credited for the song Up Jump Tha Boogie. In the album credits it doesn't say Kurupt. I think he wrote that song, at least his own verse, maybe Snoop's verse too. Maybe due to legal issues or maybe Suge was the reason, even though around the time the album was made/released they was still cool with eachother. Anybody know something about this?
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This CD is bangin' from start to finish, definately amongst the greatest albums Death Row put out, but on some tracks i find something missing, like others already said before me. The beats sound kinda "hollow" like they could have used some bass or something, but i can agree with the people who are saying this is classic, it is.
On a sidenote, i always wondered why Kurupt isn't credited for the song Up Jump Tha Boogie. In the album credits it doesn't say Kurupt. I think he wrote that song, at least his own verse, maybe Snoop's verse too. Maybe due to legal issues or maybe Suge was the reason, even though around the time the album was made/released they was still cool with eachother. Anybody know something about this?
dogg pound just all see themselves as one big unit (especially back then) so alot of credits didn't happen.
for example, most songs Bigg Pimpin' is on he is not credited...it's kinda like a cool surprise you get at the end of the song when he talks till the fade out or something you know?
like Nate dogg is not credited for being on the next episode because dre wanted to surprise you with that "hold up....Heeeyyyyy"
also,for example Kurupt's locc'd out hood from gang related actually features snoop on the chorus and outro, is produced by daz/soopafly and charlie wilson sings a bit in the background but the song is just credited to 'kurupt'
-T
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I could never remove Sixx Minutes ...damn that Raphael Saadiq guitar kills everything ... too smooth to be true!
removing OG wake up sucks, too
I didn't listen to it for some time so I only remember songs I really liked but I think there is really nothing wrong with adding Street Life (!!!!) and Midnight Love ..woulda been dope ..(never heard the tracks from snoops dr greatest hits, though!)