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Title: Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
Post by: Okka on July 19, 2008, 04:15:38 PM
Onyx - All We Got Iz Us (1995)

(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/3433/082bitdonyxallwegotizusgh4.jpg)

Been a long time since i bumped this classic shit last time, definently one of the best East Coast records ever made, the remixes of "Shout" and "All We Got Iz Us" (Evil Streets ft. Method Man) should have been on the album, but it's still a 10/10 album. They all got dope lyrics, but Sticky is the one that was the most lyrical on this album and Fredro Starr had great beats. This group has classic albums, but this is the one that everybody should check out, if you haven't allready heard it.

"And if it was a fifth, then we'd all be stoned
But if I don't drink and drive then how the fuck am I gone get home?
I can't stop smokin weed cause I ain't no quitter
Since it's killin my brain cells maybe I should reconsider
" - Sticky Fingaz
Title: Re: Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
Post by: D~Nice on July 19, 2008, 08:56:16 PM
This album was dark and morbid. Alot of people were thinking they were on some other shit with this one. But yeah it is some dope hip hop for sure.
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Post by: CHUCK KNOXXX on July 19, 2008, 08:57:36 PM
great album.....what song is it where sticky fingaz gives a narrative about gettin shot and runnin from the dude that shot him?
Title: Re: Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
Post by: big mat on July 19, 2008, 09:54:35 PM
had this cd before, went to a party, a dude asked if i had some grimmey shit in my car cuz peeps were tired of crunk music, had this in the car, nobody feeled it except me, dude stole my cd. I still have the case, i might burn it
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Post by: Lunatic on July 19, 2008, 10:22:24 PM
this is creepy lol..i listened to this album today for the first time..D is on point, very morbid and dark.
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Post by: MontrealCity's Most on July 19, 2008, 11:14:53 PM
last days is fucking dope
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Post by: Soopahigh on July 20, 2008, 01:53:28 AM
totally forgot about that album  8) thats a dope one for sure
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Post by: jeromechickenbone on July 20, 2008, 02:01:21 AM
Love onyx
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Post by: Lucifuge on July 20, 2008, 03:03:48 AM
QB shit. dar violent
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Post by: ICHI THE KILLER on July 20, 2008, 05:24:42 AM
this how it started for me with rap love this album .one of the best intros i ever heard
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Post by: NillerTheKid on July 20, 2008, 06:16:22 AM
Love onyx

QB shit. dar violent
They ain't from QB
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Post by: Black Excellence on July 20, 2008, 07:08:00 AM
this album was hot. too bad they fell off
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Post by: MontrealCity's Most on July 20, 2008, 09:07:14 AM
ahhhh when hip hop wasent cheesy.
Title: Re: Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
Post by: Okka on July 20, 2008, 09:21:24 AM
They ain't from QB

Yeah they is.
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Post by: Lucifuge on July 20, 2008, 09:26:55 AM
They ain't from QB

Yeah they is.

only sticky iz from brooklyn or bronx original onyx iz QB
Title: Re: Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
Post by: Okka on July 20, 2008, 10:31:25 AM
They ain't from QB

Yeah they is.

only sticky iz from brooklyn or bronx original onyx iz QB

I thought Sticky is from QB, he mentions Southside, Queens in some songs.

EDIT: Wikipedia says he's from Brooklyn. The official website has this info: He was born in New York City sometime after the Watts riots, and lived in basically every borough NYC has to offer.
Title: Re: Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
Post by: Lil White Azz on July 20, 2008, 11:05:14 AM
Come on and scream, And shout , just let it all out!!!

YEEEAAAH  8)

Dope shit
Title: Re: Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
Post by: NillerTheKid on July 20, 2008, 11:28:44 AM
They ain't from QB

Yeah they is.

only sticky iz from brooklyn or bronx original onyx iz QB

I thought Sticky is from QB, he mentions Southside, Queens in some songs.

EDIT: Wikipedia says he's from Brooklyn. The official website has this info: He was born in New York City sometime after the Watts riots, and lived in basically every borough NYC has to offer.
Southside is just Queens, not QB
Title: Re: Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
Post by: Lucifuge on July 20, 2008, 11:51:42 AM
They ain't from QB

Yeah they is.

only sticky iz from brooklyn or bronx original onyx iz QB

I thought Sticky is from QB, he mentions Southside, Queens in some songs.

EDIT: Wikipedia says he's from Brooklyn. The official website has this info: He was born in New York City sometime after the Watts riots, and lived in basically every borough NYC has to offer.
Southside is just Queens, not QB

 ;D

yea i read on wikipedia. shut em down was dope album also they got some ill shit
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Post by: The "Untouchable" DJR on July 20, 2008, 12:04:41 PM
This album was dark and morbid.

That sums it up pretty good. And it was a dope album indeed but people weren't expecting this from Onyx.
Title: Re: Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
Post by: Blood$ on July 20, 2008, 01:37:56 PM
Bacdafucup is the only album I have from Onyx... that shit was classic

only track I heard from this particular album is "Last Dayz" which is hard as fuck... I'm gonna have to check this one out  8)
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Post by: Leggy Hendrix on July 22, 2008, 03:14:47 AM
Last Dayz is a classic...dope album...
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Post by: Soopahigh on July 23, 2008, 06:13:33 AM
Come on and scream, And shout , just let it all out!!!

YEEEAAAH  8)

Dope shit

yeah dope shit  8)
Title: Re: Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
Post by: Elevz on July 23, 2008, 10:53:27 AM
definently one of the best East Coast records ever made
it's still a 10/10 album.

::)

Yeah, it was a cool album, but don't wet your panties over it...
Title: Re: Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
Post by: Okka on July 24, 2008, 02:22:12 PM
Yeah, it was a cool album, but don't wet your panties over it...

Well, i have always liked it, so for me it's a 10/10 album.
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Post by: Elevz on July 25, 2008, 04:55:58 AM
Yeah, it was a cool album, but don't wet your panties over it...

Well, i have always liked it, so for me it's a 10/10 album.

There's plenty of albums that I've always liked, but that doesn't make them all 10/10 albums.

The same thing goes for you:

the remixes of "Shout" and "All We Got Iz Us" (Evil Streets ft. Method Man) should have been on the album
They all got dope lyrics, but Sticky is the one that was the most lyrical on this album
Fredro Starr had great beats.

If those remixes should have been on the album but they weren't, how is the album 10/10 perfect? Is the album as good without those remixes as it would have been with them?
If Sticky Fingaz is the most lyrical (only on this album?), how can it still be a 10/10 perfect when the others dropped rhymes too (that you just classify as  dope)? You're basically saying the others aren't as good as Sticky, and still it is a perfect effort.
Fredro Starr had great beats. Great, like your all time favorite composer or producer's best effort great? Or (just) "really enjoyable" or "very nice"? If you classify the beat Fredro did for "Live Niguz" as 10/10, then how do you rate the beats to "California Love" or "Nuthin' But A G-Thang" (assuming that you're at least very fond of such tracks)?

I think you're getting the point. If you're calling this rap album is a 10/10, then you're degrading those artists who actually deserve that 10/10. I don't think any rap artist could potentially pull a 10/10, and if there were some, it surely wouldn't be Onyx.

Another $0.02 added.
Title: Re: Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
Post by: Okka on July 25, 2008, 05:12:13 AM
I think you're getting the point. If you're calling this rap album is a 10/10, then you're degrading those artists who actually deserve that 10/10. I don't think any rap artist could potentially pull a 10/10, and if there were some, it surely wouldn't be Onyx.
Another $0.02 added.

Aiight, whateva man. But the album is great, it's a classic East Coast record (so those Dre beats you were talkin about doesn't have anything to do with this and i've never considered "Nuthin But A G Thang" as so great as a lot of people think it is) , and they all had dope lyrics, but i liked Sticky's lyrics the most and the reason i said Fredro had great beats was, 1) I never knew he produced those beats, untill i looked at the credits not too long ago and the most of those beats were great, yeah maybe it ain't a 10/10 but it's a close one, my favorite Onyx album.

If those remixes should have been on the album but they weren't, how is the album 10/10 perfect? Is the album as good without those remixes as it would have been with them?

Yeah it is, but they could've been great bonus songs.

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Post by: Elevz on July 25, 2008, 07:59:30 AM
Ah, well, that's a different story then ;)

I disagree however on how you say the comparison between Fredro's beats and the music of Dr. Dre or even The Rolling Stones or Bach would be irrelevant. In the realm of human attempts at crafting the perfect combination of sounds (in other words: in music), artificially drawn borders don't make the difference in whether something is perfect as such or not. If you call something the perfect piece of music in hiphop or rap, whilst also stating how that doesn't mean it can "objectively" compete with the best other genres have to offer, you're implying the subpar status of hiphop or rap music. That's an indirect way to say that rap music simply cannot be as good as the best music from some other genres.
Now I know you didn't say Fredro Starr is the best East Coast producer, but Dr. Dre is generally regarded as (at least one of) the best musician(s) in westcoast rap, as well as hiphop on a whole. All We Got Iz Us is rarely seen as a classic in hiphop, let alone Eastcoast hip-hop, but if this were a truly as (nearly) perfected piece of music as you say it is, that necessarily implies how much rap music on a whole is only so-so at best. That's the only conclusion I can draw here, unless, of course, you're willing to dismiss the general opinion on a whole. That would be one daring position to take, and I personally would doubt the objectivity behind it. So much for the philosophical talk... I have a feeling I don't belong in the music sections here. ;)
Title: Re: Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
Post by: Okka on July 25, 2008, 09:31:54 AM
Now I know you didn't say Fredro Starr is the best East Coast producer, but Dr. Dre is generally regarded as (at least one of) the best musician(s) in westcoast rap, as well as hiphop on a whole.

Yeah, i know that. But we ain't talkin about Dre ;) We are talkin about "All We Got Iz Us" from Onyx :D

It's all opinions though, but i like this album very much, cause it's dark like somebody said allready.
Title: Re: Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
Post by: Elevz on July 25, 2008, 09:58:50 AM
Now I know you didn't say Fredro Starr is the best East Coast producer, but Dr. Dre is generally regarded as (at least one of) the best musician(s) in westcoast rap, as well as hiphop on a whole.

Yeah, i know that. But we ain't talkin about Dre ;) We are talkin about "All We Got Iz Us" from Onyx :D

...put into perspective, amidst other music of its time! Now that does include the good doctor, doesn't it? ;)


It's all opinions though, but i like this album very much, cause it's dark like somebody said allready.

I used to be a huge fan of Onyx some years ago, but somehow this album never did it for me. I always liked Bacdafucup and Shut 'em Down a lot better. Perhaps it was all a bit too dark and grimey for me - I don't know, but it felt to me that it was all a lot less musical and more aggressive, just for the sake of being aggressive. Just didn't really do it for me. I know that now, years later, I wouldn't even be able to listen to one Onyx song all the way through. Funny how times change.
Title: Re: Onyx - All We Got Iz Us
Post by: Okka on July 25, 2008, 11:25:43 AM
...put into perspective, amidst other music of its time! Now that does include the good doctor, doesn't it? ;)

Yeah, he's my favorite producer of all times but the thing is, i did not even know that Fredro made beats and i've always liked these dark beats on this album, and then i checked the credits and i noticed that most of the album was produced by him, so i was suprised, ya feel me?
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Post by: Sikotic™ on July 25, 2008, 01:57:20 PM
This is the album with Last Dayz on it right?

Straight grimy.
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Post by: Elevz on July 26, 2008, 05:04:39 AM
...put into perspective, amidst other music of its time! Now that does include the good doctor, doesn't it? ;)

Yeah, he's my favorite producer of all times but the thing is, i did not even know that Fredro made beats and i've always liked these dark beats on this album, and then i checked the credits and i noticed that most of the album was produced by him, so i was suprised, ya feel me?

Yup.
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Post by: Young Old Head on July 26, 2008, 07:54:15 AM
this album was hot. too bad they fell off
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Post by: DJ SUGAFREE QUIK on July 27, 2008, 08:48:32 PM
Now I know you didn't say Fredro Starr is the best East Coast producer, but Dr. Dre is generally regarded as (at least one of) the best musician(s) in westcoast rap, as well as hiphop on a whole.

Yeah, i know that. But we ain't talkin about Dre ;) We are talkin about "All We Got Iz Us" from Onyx :D

...put into perspective, amidst other music of its time! Now that does include the good doctor, doesn't it? ;)


It's all opinions though, but i like this album very much, cause it's dark like somebody said allready.

I used to be a huge fan of Onyx some years ago, but somehow this album never did it for me. I always liked Bacdafucup and Shut 'em Down a lot better. Perhaps it was all a bit too dark and grimey for me - I don't know, but it felt to me that it was all a lot less musical and more aggressive, just for the sake of being aggressive. Just didn't really do it for me. I know that now, years later, I wouldn't even be able to listen to one Onyx song all the way through. Funny how times change.
I"m actually surprised anyone actually liked that album :o.  I agree with you on the 1st 3 sentences.  Only the Bacdafucup did it for me.  I bought it without listening to it in the mid 90's.  I saw the cool album cover, it was Onyx...i'd figure i'd like that album too.  Wasted my money.  I should've bought the Bacdafucup CD.  I only had the cassette at the time.