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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on July 11, 2004, 03:17:23 PM
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The trade is going down...Shaq is going to the Miami Heat...Lakers are getting Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, Brian Grant, & a first round pick for him...That's not bad, not bad at all...Lakers also signed Rudy Tomjanavich Friday...Now imagine if Kobe stays on the Lakers.
Gary Payton PG
Kobe Bryant SG
Lamar Odom SF
Caron Butler PF
Brian Grant C
Coach: Rudy Tomjanavich
That team can definitely do some damage...Now we just have to pray that Kobe stays, and all will be good...PeACe
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so is this official?i thoguht payton will retire?
btw who is the choach of miami?
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Payton signed a long time ago...The coach of Miami is Stan Van Gundy...Same coach as last year.
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first of all miami got ripped off. If you really think about current, and long term effects.......
As for the lakers, if kobe stays they will be a pretty good team, but there not going to be true "laker winners". UNLESS. they do some more trading and hiring. because miami players cannot hold the lakers team up, there going to need some more people.
all in all i think lakers got a WAY better part of the trade.
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i really dont see why miami would do this trade. they got a core of good young players. Your goin trade that away for a 2-3 years left of a good shaq. an even with shaq they still wont go to the finals. i dont see why miami would make this trade.
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Everyone retires in Florida lol
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^lol, yea miami got fucked on this trade
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i dont see why ANY team for that matter would trade 3 good players for shaq, sure hes good, but will he get your team to the finals? no, unless hes got kobe with him.
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both teams got fucked. Lakers didnt even get one all star type player.
If Lakers couldnt win a championship with Payton, Malone, KObe and Shaq....why will the Heat win one with Wade and Shaq? lol
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you also have to take into consideration the lakers had malone at the end of his road...he's wasn't the same guy that led the jazz to the finals back in the 90's...also i don't know why payton matters anymore, detroit was proof that he doesn't have a step anymore, kind of reminded me of reggie miller...they are character players now, you can't expect them to lead a team offensivly and defensivly anymore, peace.
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No i think lakers got a good deal. Those 3 guys are very very young just like kobe. (if he stays)
The lakers are thinking long term and not just "we need to win this year" because if they were, they'd get stockton and michael jordan (sarcasm). but you get what im saying
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Damn, this is good news for LA. Shaq only has a couple more years left, and the Lakers now have a young base of great players (Bryant, Odom, Rush.) It was a great move for them, and I think they will tear shit up next year. Its sad to see Shaq go though :-\
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Some considerations. First of all Payton chosed to stay another year in L.A.! Personally i think he's still a very good PG. He just didnt fit in the triangle, cause he got a completely different style. He loves to run, and to make the team run. When he had a chance to do it, with the Lakers, the Lakers destroyed everything and everyone, in the regular season. They destroyed San Antonio too, running and defending. Make a team who can run, made by youngs great athlets, and i personally think Payton will still make a difference, cause nobody is better than him making a team run run run. Consider this thing, and add Caron Butler and Lamar Odom in your team. Those 2 young cats CAN run, badly. They love to run, and to make quick breaks. Add Kobe, maybe the best one in the league in those situations, and you'll have a team who can run and outrun almost everybody in the West (expecially with Odom as n.4 and Butler as n.3, togeter in the court). George is good too, in those situations. And Walton is perfect, cause he can run and he can pass so damn well. Add a good C like Brian Grant in the package, and a first round draft pick, and it's a pretty good deal for L.A.
Kobe is 25, George is 26, Medvedenko is 24, Rush is 23, Butler is 24, Walton is 24, Odom is 25, Cook is 24. Youngs. Interesting. Athlets.
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I like odom and caron.
Grant sucks.
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Odum is Injury/Weed Prone
B. Grant has to play against the powerful West Forwards/Centers
Butler, im glad we got him.
Lakers just jumped the gun because they were afraid of losing Kobe, you know they could have waited for a better deal. Again both teams got fucked.
Regardless, I hope Kobe carries this team to the playoffs =)
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Some considerations. First of all Payton chosed to stay another year in L.A.! Personally i think he's still a very good PG. He just didnt fit in the triangle, cause he got a completely different style. He loves to run, and to make the team run. When he had a chance to do it, with the Lakers, the Lakers destroyed everything and everyone, in the regular season. They destroyed San Antonio too, running and defending. Make a team who can run, made by youngs great athlets, and i personally think Payton will still make a difference, cause nobody is better than him making a team run run run. Consider this thing, and add Caron Butler and Lamar Odom in your team. Those 2 young cats CAN run, badly. They love to run, and to make quick breaks. Add Kobe, maybe the best one in the league in those situations, and you'll have a team who can run and outrun almost everybody in the West (expecially with Odom as n.4 and Butler as n.3, togeter in the court). George is good too, in those situations. And Walton is perfect, cause he can run and he can pass so damn well. Add a good C like Brian Grant in the package, and a first round draft pick, and it's a pretty good deal for L.A.
Kobe is 25, George is 26, Medvedenko is 24, Rush is 23, Butler is 24, Walton is 24, Odom is 25, Cook is 24. Youngs. Interesting. Athlets.
Nice sig...you forgot 2 players though
(http://www.nba.com/media/mediacentralns/2004Draft_Vujacic_Sasha.jpg)(http://www.nba.com/media/mediacentralns/2004Draft_Douthit_Marcus.jpg)
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I like odom and caron.
Grant sucks.
Hes solid...he plays with heart and determination night it and night out.
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Odum is Injury/Weed Prone
B. Grant has to play against the powerful West Forwards/Centers
Butler, im glad we got him.
Lakers just jumped the gun because they were afraid of losing Kobe, you know they could have waited for a better deal. Again both teams got fucked.
Regardless, I hope Kobe carries this team to the playoffs =)
Come on man...You're telling me it's not obvious to you that this team will make the playoffs? Shaq is old, fat, and injury prone...You guys will all see.
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Shaq's playing at least 70 games this upcoming season and he will have an MVP type season.
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Shaq's playing at least 70 games this upcoming season and he will have an MVP type season.
MVP type? Naaah. I give him no more than 65 games, averaging no more than 25 points a game...I admit, him and Wayde can make a deadly combo...But He doesn't have long...PeACe
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Grant is pretty damn good, but he's getting older, so he's obviously not as great as he was before. I think he's a good player, but he's a little weak as starting center. Now the Lakers offense ain't gonna be centered around the center tho, so it'll be fine. This'll give cats like Kobe and Odom the chance to shine in offense.
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all i can say is what a ugly ass trade, shaq will look horrible in miami and none of those players will look good in laker jerseys, they dont fit in LA, lets trade em
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it's not official yet sooo...anything could happen... kobe could ask shaq to stay
Shaq/wayde will be good...because THEY'RE IN THE EAST! they'll make playoffs
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Well, it's not official only because they can't officially make the trade until this Tuesday...But everything has already been discussed, and settled.
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Well, it's not official only because they can't officially make the trade until this Tuesday...But everything has already been discussed, and settled.
well, i got a question for you..and other lakers fan....arn't you a little pissed off (or sad :-\) that shaq is going? i mean he was one of the BIG reasons you guys won 3 straight. I know i'd be pissed
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The Lakers are going with youth. This reminds me of 1995, when the Lakers had a very young core of players, and the next year they added Shaq into the mix who himself was young. Let these young guys grow, mature as basketball players, and hopefully Kobe will resign to start the rebuilding, and it's all good. Odam is not even 25, he has lots of great years ahead, and we'll see how things turn out. Grant is getting up in age, but so was Shaq, in the west it'll be hard not to win without Shaq, but he only has a couple more years, this is good. Instead of beating a dying horse, get some young ones ready for the long haul in the Kobe era, and build the team to fit Kobe, get some runners, all we need is a young quick point guard like a Wade (man we should really hold out for him) and we'd be set. Hell, lets trade Payton for Nelson in Orlando... lol... 'cause rumor is if Shaq leaves, so does Payton. We'll see.
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^^What rumor? Payton already re-signed with the Lakers...
ll, i got a question for you..and other lakers fan....arn't you a little pissed off (or sad ) that shaq is going? i mean he was one of the BIG reasons you guys won 3 straight. I know i'd be pissed
Of course I'm pissed off and sad, but what can we do? Shaq is getting older, and more selfish than ever...It is what it is.
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Anyway if Malone resigns, we will have him as PF and Grant in the C spot. Two guys who can defend and rebounds. And we will have Walton and Medvedenko, two subs who can score. Not that bad, if you consider we traded the most dominant C ever.
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it's really sad that the lakers are getting rid of shaq, for me personally this SUCKS and SWALLOWS! Shaq's my all time favorite player , like i said when he came to us i was in 7th heaven! no he's back in florida :'( but oh well out of all the trades that were most likely to go down i'm glad we got it done with miami....for those of you who say we didn't get one all star type player.....WTF ODOM!!! LAMAR FUCKIN" ODOM! he's definately capabale of being an all star, i mean shit if chancey can get finals MVP lamar can get on the all star team. also this works out well in the middle, let's face it....no one will ever compare to shaq....no one has no one ever will. it's clear the lakers are building around kobe which is bueatiful, he just needs big guys who can pass shoot, rebound and can score if he can't deliver which caron and grant can easily handle....it's what they WANT TO DO.
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Exactly. Lakers didnt need "another" Shaq. I mean another dominant player in the C. They needed good defenders and rebounders. If they resign Malone, they are a good playoffs team built around the best player in the league.
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Miami GM destoryed the whole future dynasty of the Heat. Oh well.
Payton=Payton
Kobe=Kobe
Odom >> George
Butler >> Slava
Grant <<<< Shaq
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look what being selfish can do a team. Instead of winning 5-7 championships and being the best laker dynasty in history, they settled with only 3. It was over too quick. >:( If only Jerry West was still the GM....things would have been much much different.
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^^What rumor? Payton already re-signed with the Lakers...
ll, i got a question for you..and other lakers fan....arn't you a little pissed off (or sad ) that shaq is going? i mean he was one of the BIG reasons you guys won 3 straight. I know i'd be pissed
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1838214
:'(
As for Shaq, I mean, he was my favorite player. I remember watching Orlando back in the day, and wishing Shaq would come to L.A. I remember back in 1994, i was like, Shaq is a free agent soon, and the Lakers could sign him. No one believed Shaq would sign with the Lakers because everything in Orlando was going well. Though back then, there was reports of a Shaq/Penny rivalry for control of the team. Not even a fraction as bad as Shaq/Kobe, but the team was divided. Shaq did say he wanted to stay in Orlando, it wasn't until the fans said that Shaq wasn't worth the $107m that Orlando was offering, and the Lakers traded all but 5 people away to get way under cap, and afford the $120m contract to get Shaq, making me the happiest person around. Honestly, I was hoping they traded Kobe back in the day because I though Eddie Jones was the best bet for 2 guard, I was wrong, but I was a full Shaq lead Lakers person. As time went on, Kobe came to grow on me, and after this season, Shaq promised to come to the season in shape, which was not the case, and He started demanding a cap cripling extention, and when Kobe was in trail, he stated the whole team is here. I mean, Kobe is facing life in prision, and Shaq was trash talking his teammate. I didn't want Shaq to be traded, because traded Shaq ends the string of titles we were collecting, but I don't see Shaq and Kobe getting along for any longer period of time, and so you have to rebuild with youth. I really doubt Kobe is going to the Clippers, and Shaq is not getting any better. He'll have a great first season with Miami, maybe an MVP season because he has something to prove, but that's about it. Wouldn't a Lakers/Miami finals be strange. Imagion the ratings... lol. I'm calling it now, Stern knows that would get huge ratings, expect strange calls in favor of the Heat and Lakers to get these teams in the finals. Still, it's a sad day in L.A. The MDE is gone... and I understand why, but I will miss having the Big Man in there. First Magic catches HIV, Van Exle pushes a ref, Eddie is traded, Rodman is who knows where, Chick passes and now Shaq is traded in a very strange way. Things in Lakerville have never been stable.
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Here's another viewpoint, which is not too far from reality and is also formulated very nice :D :
Because even Kobe, stubbornly confident as he is, has to know that Brian Grant can't pretend to play center in the West like he can in the East. He also has to know that Lamar Odom can't masquerade as a power forward in the West as easily as he did in the East. The Lakers, once they do this deal, would basically have three threes (Lamar, Butler, Devean George) and two undersized fours (Grant and Luke Walton) and Gary Payton to run the point ... along with Kobe to lead them, assuming he still doesn't elect to bolt to the Clippers.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/columns/story?columnist=stein_marc&id=1837825
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yeah this is definetely a stupid trade for Miami, unless theyre planning on making oither moves also. Which, they probably dont have the money for now anyways lol. The Lakers got the better deal in this shit, especially considering Shaq doesnt WANT to be there anyways. Why have an unmotivated player playing for u all year? Its kinda wierd seeing LA with no center tho in their starting lineup tho lol.
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Exactly. Lakers didnt need "another" Shaq. I mean another dominant player in the C. They needed good defenders and rebounders. If they resign Malone, they are a good playoffs team built around the best player in the league.
theyre building around the best player in the league?? Theyre gonna trade Kobe for Duncan or Garnett??
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Fuck Jerry Buss...thats all i gotta say.
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Fuck Jerry Buss...thats all i gotta say.
fuck buss? for what? ??? i think us laker fans needs to stop crying and whining about all this shit and just look forward to the next season...its gonna be a new start...im lookin forward to it.
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Fuck Jerry Buss...thats all i gotta say.
fuck buss? for what? ??? i think us laker fans needs to stop crying and whining about all this shit and just look forward to the next season...its gonna be a new start...im lookin forward to it.
Buss got on his knees to Kobe, but not for Shaq. Both made a major contribution to the great 3peat.
Stop crying? Do you fucking realize that if you take Kobe out of the lakers....and you compare the Lakers with the Clippers....the Clippers have a better team. The clippers! How the fuck does that happen. Its a fucking shame. Last time a player like shaq was traded was back when the bucks traded kareem for 3 solid players. West gone, Phil gone, Shaq gone. yea i cant wait for next season. MOney issue is already fucked till 2007.
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lakers dont like their headed for a good season next year unless they make some more trades.
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i think one thing that everybody is forgetting is that miami can still trade shaq away if they want. shaq is one hot commodity right now and they can get two good/great players for him. they have time to see how well the team gels in the beginning of next season and then they have the option to make changes later on.
as for the lakers... i think it was an ok deal. i think the best thing is that they're getting a first round draft picks next season. the draft was trash this year but with two picks in this next one, they could really come up. also, don't sleep on odom... he may not be able to do so well against the likes of a garnett or a duncan but he can hold his own. i definitely think he'll put up better numbers than malone did last year. plus, rudy t... he has an uncanny talent for making things work. lakers will have a great number of players that are willing to hustle and run the floor better than almost any other team. watch out!
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Exactly. Lakers didnt need "another" Shaq. I mean another dominant player in the C. They needed good defenders and rebounders. If they resign Malone, they are a good playoffs team built around the best player in the league.
theyre building around the best player in the league?? Theyre gonna trade Kobe for Duncan or Garnett??
LMAO...I'd like to see Duncan or Garnett even playing with a rape trial under them... ::)
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Exactly. Lakers didnt need "another" Shaq. I mean another dominant player in the C. They needed good defenders and rebounders. If they resign Malone, they are a good playoffs team built around the best player in the league.
theyre building around the best player in the league?? Theyre gonna trade Kobe for Duncan or Garnett??
LMAO...I'd like to see Duncan or Garnett even playing with a rape trial under them... ::)
how about with a shitty team? Garnett has proved he is the best or one of the best players in the NBA for about 4-5 seasons now? Last year he got help. Garnett has alwyas been up there in Points/Rebounds/Assists/blocks, top 5 or higher. I don't watch duncun play, but in fantasy leagues..Garnett/Duncun always ranked 1-2
Kobe's always had shaq to help him out. NOW, we'll see what he does without. (yea yea..i know about him scoring 40 more points in like 10 games in a ow or somthin without shaq...lets see a whole season :P ;D)
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Kobe had to split his game with Shaq...Shaq doesn't help him out...Kobe has proven he's a better player when Shaq's not around, and you all will see....What do you think would have happened if you put Garnett or Duncan on the Lakers in 2000, 2001, 2002 instead of Kobe...You think they would have not been second to Shaq? It's hard to be looked at as the greatest when everyone says "Oh, it's only because you have Shaq!"...Just wait and see.
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Kobe had to split his game with Shaq...Shaq doesn't help him out...Kobe has proven he's a better player when Shaq's not around, and you all will see....What do you think would have happened if you put Garnett or Duncan on the Lakers in 2000, 2001, 2002 instead of Kobe...You think they would have not been second to Shaq? It's hard to be looked at as the greatest when everyone says "Oh, it's only because you have Shaq!"...Just wait and see.
you right, Duncan and Garnett probably wouldnt rape anybody, so u made a good point. Its hard focusing on basketball after u rape somebody lol
And yah, Shaq makes Kobe better. Like i said, if u know basketball...u know this. Kobe's game doesnt set up Shaqs, its the other way around. Shaq draws the double/tripple teams. Kobe is usually being played strait up unless he catches fire. And even then, they run people at him...try to keep him from penetrating, not necessarily double him. Plus, when Shaq is double teamed more then likely he passes out of it...to open perimeter players (like Kobe). When Kobe gets double teamed...he tries to score against 2 people, rather then getting it to an open teammate. For most of the league...Shaq one on one is a mismatch. If Kobe got double teamed...passed the ball, and the ball got swung into the post to Shaq in a one on one situation where he could probably be pretty low in the post...it would lead to a score most of the time. But naw, Kobe likes the spotlight...not the team game. I honestly hope there is no chance of him coming to the Spurs, and im pretty sure there isnt now. He would have completely fucked up the chemistry.
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Kobe had to split his game with Shaq...Shaq doesn't help him out...Kobe has proven he's a better player when Shaq's not around, and you all will see....What do you think would have happened if you put Garnett or Duncan on the Lakers in 2000, 2001, 2002 instead of Kobe...You think they would have not been second to Shaq? It's hard to be looked at as the greatest when everyone says "Oh, it's only because you have Shaq!"...Just wait and see.
guarentee u if u put Kobe on SA or Minnesota, he would be second option to Duncan and Garnett.
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Kobe had to split his game with Shaq...Shaq doesn't help him out...Kobe has proven he's a better player when Shaq's not around, and you all will see....What do you think would have happened if you put Garnett or Duncan on the Lakers in 2000, 2001, 2002 instead of Kobe...You think they would have not been second to Shaq? It's hard to be looked at as the greatest when everyone says "Oh, it's only because you have Shaq!"...Just wait and see.
guarentee u if u put Kobe on SA or Minnesota, he would be second option to Duncan and Garnett.
That I really doubt. Kobe is the best player in the game today. With a trail on his head, he still had the best year of his career. Kobe is only getting better as the days go on. Also, remember what I said, strange calls will lead to a Lakers/Heat finals. David Stern got his wish, Lakers vs. Lakers in the finals.
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Kobe had to split his game with Shaq...Shaq doesn't help him out...Kobe has proven he's a better player when Shaq's not around, and you all will see....What do you think would have happened if you put Garnett or Duncan on the Lakers in 2000, 2001, 2002 instead of Kobe...You think they would have not been second to Shaq? It's hard to be looked at as the greatest when everyone says "Oh, it's only because you have Shaq!"...Just wait and see.
guarentee u if u put Kobe on SA or Minnesota, he would be second option to Duncan and Garnett.
That I really doubt. Kobe is the best player in the game today. With a trail on his head, he still had the best year of his career. Kobe is only getting better as the days go on. Also, remember what I said, strange calls will lead to a Lakers/Heat finals. David Stern got his wish, Lakers vs. Lakers in the finals.
theres no way Kobe would be the number one option on either one of those teams. Duncan and Garnett are probably the two best big men in the game. And the last 3 MVP's. Why would Kobe somehow magically go to a team with either one of those two, and become the go to guy?! lol. Yeah RIGHT. Those teams whole offenses are built around Duncan and Garnett. Kobe would have to play second. Which is why the idea of him goin to SA was never really THAT valid to me. They had the money, but Kobe wouldnt go somewhere where he would have to be second, again. He wants all the attention...all the spotlight...he wants to be able to shoot everytime he touches the ball.....
"i wanna be...i wanna be like MIIIIIKE!"
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Duncan and Garnett wouldn't rape anybody? How do you know? Do you know them personally?...You're dumb.
This year was supposed to be Kobe's MVP year, until some white bitch from Colorad fucked it up for him...But there's always next year, you will see. 8)
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Kobe had to split his game with Shaq...Shaq doesn't help him out...Kobe has proven he's a better player when Shaq's not around, and you all will see....What do you think would have happened if you put Garnett or Duncan on the Lakers in 2000, 2001, 2002 instead of Kobe...You think they would have not been second to Shaq? It's hard to be looked at as the greatest when everyone says "Oh, it's only because you have Shaq!"...Just wait and see.
guarentee u if u put Kobe on SA or Minnesota, he would be second option to Duncan and Garnett.
Kobe is the best player in the game today.
Only way to respond to that is...NO.
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Garnett and Duncan aren't all-around players, so YES!...Ask any fucking NBA analyst, Kobe is way more talented than Duncan or Garnett...I can't wait 'till next season.
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Heat: Potential snag in Shaq deal
by Fanball Staff - Fanball.com
Wednesday, July 14, 2004
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ESPN's Stephen A. Smith is reporting that the imminent Miami Heat-Los Angeles Lakers deal involving center Shaquille O'Neal may have hit a snag due to a trade kicker in forward Lamar Odom's contract. Odom's deal, which was signed during the previous offseason, includes a 15 percent bonus if he is dealt to another club. Sources told Smith that the bonus would be around $8.5-to-$9.5 million.
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We're not sure how much this could potentially inhibit the trade from going through, and we think it's a matter of Lakers owner Jerry Buss agreeing to pay Odom that bonus. We'll provide more on this as the news comes through.
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Duncan and Garnett wouldn't rape anybody? How do you know? Do you know them personally?...You're dumb.
This year was supposed to be Kobe's MVP year, until some white bitch from Colorad fucked it up for him...But there's always next year, you will see. 8)
thats a stupid quote you act like he didnt bone the girl....he admitted to having sex with her so he fucked it up for his damn self....he is a married man he shouldnt have done that shit in the first place......
but anyway shaq gone fuckin sucks.......
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Duncan and Garnett wouldn't rape anybody? How do you know? Do you know them personally?...You're dumb.
This year was supposed to be Kobe's MVP year, until some white bitch from Colorad fucked it up for him...But there's always next year, you will see. 8)
thats a stupid quote you act like he didnt bone the girl....he admitted to having sex with her so he fucked it up for his damn self....he is a married man he shouldnt have done that shit in the first place......
but anyway shaq gone fuckin sucks.......
Oh please...I can bet you anything more than half the players in the NBA have or will cheat on their girlfriends/wives...That doesn't mean they have to be accused of rape...That's like giving the death penalty to someone who snuck in a movie...Kobe hater... ::)
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Garnett and Duncan aren't all-around players, so YES!...Ask any fucking NBA analyst, Kobe is way more talented than Duncan or Garnett...I can't wait 'till next season.
thats the dumbest shit i've ever heard
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3007
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/players/profile?statsId=3118
compare the stats, Garnett > Kobe
Garnett has started all but 37 games he has played...it took kobe two years to get off the bench and become a starter??
Now dont call me a hater, cause im a huge kobe fan..when i play NBA on my PS2...its always Kobe/Garnett on my team for sure..they're my fav players....but Kobe doesn't compare to Garnett.
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LMAO...Garnett doesn't have a Shaq on his team to share stats with...No shit Garnett is gunna have the better stats. ::)
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LMAO...Garnett doesn't have a Shaq on his team to share stats with...No shit Garnett is gunna have the better stats. ::)
exactly.
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Im so happy we will see what Kobe really can do SOON.
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hopefully it will be something around 32/8/8 .....that'll show em!
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LMAO...Garnett doesn't have a Shaq on his team to share stats with...No shit Garnett is gunna have the better stats. ::)
aight...we'll just have to wait for the season to start
However, Garnett had Sprewell and Cassel to share stats with...he sttill got 24 points a night..14.4 rebounds..2.2blocks..1.46 steals.....499 FG %...led his team in every catagory
I found this a lil wierd when i was checking up kobe's profile on espn.com
NEWS: July 14
SKINNY: The Clippers' reported trade of Marvin Ely and Eddie House to Charlotte is fueling speculation about Bryant, an unrestricted free agent, signing with the Clippers.
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Its Finally Official..... Shaq's Been Traded - www.nba.com ... PRESS CONFERENCE HAPPENING LIVE RIGHT NOW!!!!
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See ya later Kazaam :(
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LA got a bunch of role players...lamar odom is a nice player...but he's a ticking bomb...grant is about done, butler has been an underachiever.....you never trade someone like shaq....la will not win a title anytime soon with this squad...right now they're maybe a 7 or 8 seed.....kobe will never win another title mark my word...he'll drop off big time ....maybe not on the stat sheet...but his fg % and the most important stat wins...he's not the type of player that makes his team mates better and can carry a team for a whole season or playoffs(like mj)....as for miami..they're up there in the east now...shaq does things some cannot comprehened(clog the middle allowing others to roam freely offensively and defensively...more open looks)...they'll need to add one more piece to be a championship contendor....miami wins this one in land slide...some here are too proud of laker fans to see it...but you'll see next season and many more when the lakers slide to medicority..
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LMAO...Garnett doesn't have a Shaq on his team to share stats with...No shit Garnett is gunna have the better stats. ::)
youre right, Garnett doesnt have a "Shaq" on his team to make him better.
And whats with the "supposed to be Kobe's MVP year"? lol. For the last 3 years youve been sayin he was the best player in the game. I guess those other 3 years....were also "supposed to be Kobe's MVP" years too huh? lol. Face it, he just IS NOT THE BEST PLAYER IN THE GAME. The measure of a great player, is consistency. Consistently great....day in, and day out. Working with your team, making your teammates better, making your team a winner. Not Kobe's, up n down...one good day, one bad day, selfish, ballhog, "i wanna be the star" attitude. U always throw the "NBA analyst" bullshit about Kobe being the best player in the game. I dont see some overwhelming favor for Kobe, except on Fox West lol. If so, i would imagine he'd have won at least ONE MVP. lol. Damn. But like i said before, its hard to league MVP...when u cant even be your teams MVP.
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Ya'll are some blind dumb muthafuckers...You're telling me you haven't heard analyst after analyst stating that Kobe is the closest thing to Jordan? Man, open your eyes...You people hate on Kobe too much...Kobe 2005 MVP, mark my mutherfucking words bitch!
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Kobe 2005 MVP, mark my mutherfucking words
aight, i will...;D
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Duncan and Garnett wouldn't rape anybody? How do you know? Do you know them personally?...You're dumb.
This year was supposed to be Kobe's MVP year, until some white bitch from Colorad fucked it up for him...But there's always next year, you will see. 8)
thats a stupid quote you act like he didnt bone the girl....he admitted to having sex with her so he fucked it up for his damn self....he is a married man he shouldnt have done that shit in the first place......
but anyway shaq gone fuckin sucks.......
Oh please...I can bet you anything more than half the players in the NBA have or will cheat on their girlfriends/wives...That doesn't mean they have to be accused of rape...That's like giving the death penalty to someone who snuck in a movie...Kobe hater... ::)
that doesnt make it right....shit if he stayed faithful and didnt mess with her he would be cool.....so either way he brought it on himself......dont even try to flip it.....and by the way im not a kobe hater.......he is a great player......
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Oh, so he brought it on himself to be accused of rape?...So if he was single, he wouldn't have brought it on himself? That doesn't make sense, and is in no way fair...PeACe
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This is so weird.. Shaq is offically gone. I'm telling you... Lakers vs. Lakers in the finals, The Heat are going after Robert Horry.
Lakers:
Payton
Kobe
Butler/George (maybe Walton by the end of the year)
Odam
Grant
Heat (Lakers East)
Wade
Jones
unknown right now
Horry
O'Neal
and former Showtime player Bob McAdoo is an ass. coach, and Pat Riley is the GM of the Heat. Damn... Heat=Lakers... crazy... I'm telling you... Stern can't resist having this in the finals. He did say his dream finals is Lakers vs. Lakers... and we have it right here.
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Oh yeah.... straight up... Kobe is the best player today... point blank. Duncan is not as fast, athletic, and is not a good as getting inside as Kobe. Funny, Duncan is a natural center, but Kobe is better at getting the difficult inside shots. Now I've seen Garnett and Kobe on regular basis, after all I did spend 5 years in Minnesota watching Garnett, and I always watch my Lakers. But in the end, I'd take Kobe. Now Garnett is nice, I mean real nice. But when the chips are down, and it's time to call the others bitch card, Kobe is at his best. Garnett did fuck up the Kings in game 7, but the Kings he played where on their last leg, that was not the Kings that took the Lakers to 7 games and only lose with last second shots, this Kings team I saw was no where near the Kings that rolled over other teams to battle the Lakers. KG is nice, but when he can't pull no ones bitch card in the clutch. Now it may come soon, maybe even this year, but at 25, Kobe already has pulled many teams bitch card, and slap the shit out of them. Skill wise, KG has more tools to get it done, but at 38 many players were better than Jordan, but in the end, Jordan knew how to beat a team, to put them away, Kobe has that, KG doesn't. He shows it, but Kobe still comes through more often, and even with Shaq out, mainly because Shaq is a liability in the clutch, Kobe makes other teams suffer.
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Now that its offical, the Lakers are FUCKED if Kobe leaves the team. That would fuck em, considering they did this whole Shaq thing to accomadate him basically.
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i'll disagree with NIK on one thing......kobe won't get MVP next year.........shaq will get it.
how you ask?
1. Shaq might be getting "older" but he's still THEE man in the middle
2. he's on a team that is HIS and HIS only now
3. YOU KNOW the heat will improve dramatically next year....shaq's got a tendancy to do that to his teams he comes to.....i mean orlando ...took em to the finals made them a playoff force....went to LA got em 61 wins and 4 finals apearances, in the drowsy east he's going to surge past alll oposition , wouldn't be suprised if the heat had 50 wins next year.
mark MY words ...shaq mvp 2005
and if kobe stays in LA the lakers will still be tight (please kobe stay!)
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Lamar Odum as a PF? Wow, what a disaster that will be.
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Lamar Odom might not be a Power Forward, but Odom and Butler can both play on the floor at the same time...Remember, Lamar is 6'10, so he can still grab rebounds & defend like a Power Forward...Caron Butler is a SF/PF, though he mostly plays the 3...But trust me, Lakers will have NO problems with the Forward spot...They'll work it out with Butler & Odom...PeACe
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Oh yeah.... straight up... Kobe is the best player today... point blank. Duncan is not as fast, athletic, and is not a good as getting inside as Kobe. Funny, Duncan is a natural center, but Kobe is better at getting the difficult inside shots.
LOL! M-Dogg....homie....u say some retarded shit sometimes, but this is one of your top 2 or 3 of all time. Being a great player isnt about athletic ability. Athleticism is only one small part of it. Spud Webb was far more athletic then Magic...was he better? 1/2 of the league is more athletic then Shaq, are they all better? Its more about knowledge. Knowing when...and more importantly, when NOT to do something on the court. Even Jordan knew when NOT to shoot. Kobe still hasnt figured that out. Duncan and Garnett have. There isnt one player in the game right now, as a matter of fact...there hasnt been one in the game since Hakeem that has anywhere CLOSE to the amount of low post moves as Duncan. And even Hakeem couldnt use both right and left hands like Duncan can. And not to mention, like i said...its consistency. Duncan is a consistent player. He doesnt ever LET U DOWN (like Kobe). He makes his teamates better (like garnett). Kobe doesnt do that. He goes for points...and thats it. He's only good on defense when he DECIDES to play it. But MANY times he is just lazy on defense. Kobe CAN be a good player. His talent is very good, but his mentality is like a rookie sometimes. Garnett and Duncan grow every year, and every year they are better...and smarter. Kobe isnt...period.
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You people hate on Kobe too much...Kobe 2005 MVP, mark my mutherfucking words bitch!
lol!
youve been saying that how many years?
Seeing as how MVP has to do with LEADING your team to victory, i doubt he'll get it. i will give him one thing, he does...from time to time, CONTRIBUTE to them winning. But leading? lol yeah right..
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Oh yea, Duncan never lets down... ::) That must explain why he was doing so fucking great when the Lakers fucked the Spurs up 4 games in a row...If I remember correctly he even had some scoreless halves in a couple of those games...Get off Duncans dick, he ain't all that...As for Kobe not being a great defender...LMFAO!...How many years in a row was Kobe an first team all-defender? Thank you, and shut the fuck up.
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Oh yeah.... straight up... Kobe is the best player today... point blank. Duncan is not as fast, athletic, and is not a good as getting inside as Kobe. Funny, Duncan is a natural center, but Kobe is better at getting the difficult inside shots.
LOL! M-Dogg....homie....u say some retarded shit sometimes, but this is one of your top 2 or 3 of all time. Being a great player isnt about athletic ability. Athleticism is only one small part of it. Spud Webb was far more athletic then Magic...was he better? 1/2 of the league is more athletic then Shaq, are they all better? Its more about knowledge. Knowing when...and more importantly, when NOT to do something on the court. Even Jordan knew when NOT to shoot. Kobe still hasnt figured that out. Duncan and Garnett have. There isnt one player in the game right now, as a matter of fact...there hasnt been one in the game since Hakeem that has anywhere CLOSE to the amount of low post moves as Duncan. And even Hakeem couldnt use both right and left hands like Duncan can. And not to mention, like i said...its consistency. Duncan is a consistent player. He doesnt ever LET U DOWN (like Kobe). He makes his teamates better (like garnett). Kobe doesnt do that. He goes for points...and thats it. He's only good on defense when he DECIDES to play it. But MANY times he is just lazy on defense. Kobe CAN be a good player. His talent is very good, but his mentality is like a rookie sometimes. Garnett and Duncan grow every year, and every year they are better...and smarter. Kobe isnt...period.
Get off Duncan's nutts homie, his not that nice, never was. Duncan is a good inside player, he can go outside, he reminds me of Karl Malone after Malone learned how to play the game well, but his still not on Kobe's level. I'd say his better than Malone, but Kobe is far more athletic, and as more of a killer instinct. Kobe can put away a team by himself, Kobe can make the shots when it counts, and Kobe is way better at 25 than Duncan was, case close. The only one who's close is KG, and KG has not proven yet to be better than Kobe. His is bigger, just as fast, and can make difficult plays, but he hasn't prove to win yet. Kobe is the best player today, if he wasn't, I would say so. I was one of the people who once wanted Kobe traded and to keep Shaq. Honestly, I might have "hated" Kobe more than you have. But after seeing KG play almost everyday, and seeing Kobe play, and watching us beat the Spurs, I can honestly say Kobe is the best player today. KG is second, maybe because I don't see much of Duncan except when his losing to the Lakers, but it's Kobe, KG a close second, and I'd put Shaq ahead of Duncan. All this time, Rasheed never gets mentioned, and I think Rasheed is one of the nicest players out there. But anyways, trust me, it's Kobe dogg. And with Shaq gone, I think that'll allow him to get more involved with his team. Now for 2005, the MVP will be Shaq, Shaq is in revenge mode, a mode that can only come out when dumped by a team. If we'd kept Shaq, and let Kobe go, Shaq would not have the year his going to have. Shaq is going to play as hard as he did in 2000, and lead Miami to a finals win over the Lakers. I just don't see David Stern not finding a way to get the Lakers in the finals. Watch the refs, watch the refs.
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Oh yeah.... straight up... Kobe is the best player today... point blank. Duncan is not as fast, athletic, and is not a good as getting inside as Kobe. Funny, Duncan is a natural center, but Kobe is better at getting the difficult inside shots.
LOL! M-Dogg....homie....u say some retarded shit sometimes, but this is one of your top 2 or 3 of all time. Being a great player isnt about athletic ability. Athleticism is only one small part of it. Spud Webb was far more athletic then Magic...was he better? 1/2 of the league is more athletic then Shaq, are they all better? Its more about knowledge. Knowing when...and more importantly, when NOT to do something on the court. Even Jordan knew when NOT to shoot. Kobe still hasnt figured that out. Duncan and Garnett have. There isnt one player in the game right now, as a matter of fact...there hasnt been one in the game since Hakeem that has anywhere CLOSE to the amount of low post moves as Duncan. And even Hakeem couldnt use both right and left hands like Duncan can. And not to mention, like i said...its consistency. Duncan is a consistent player. He doesnt ever LET U DOWN (like Kobe). He makes his teamates better (like garnett). Kobe doesnt do that. He goes for points...and thats it. He's only good on defense when he DECIDES to play it. But MANY times he is just lazy on defense. Kobe CAN be a good player. His talent is very good, but his mentality is like a rookie sometimes. Garnett and Duncan grow every year, and every year they are better...and smarter. Kobe isnt...period.
Get off Duncan's nutts homie,
he can say the same shit about you being on kobe's nutz...watch it with that word.
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How is he on Kobe's nuts? I haven't seen him being biased one bit, but all ToNe seems to do is praise the shit out of Duncan...At least I admit Duncan is an excellent player, and one of the best Power Forwards ever to play the game, but Kobe is simply better...Now ToNe just hangs on Duncan's nuts all day, talking about how he's never fucked up like Kobe has...That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard...You people gotta watch some basketball, not just read NBA.com... ::)
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How is he on Kobe's nuts? I haven't seen him being biased one bit, but all ToNe seems to do is praise the shit out of Duncan...At least I admit Duncan is an excellent player, and one of the best Power Forwards ever to play the game, but Kobe is simply better...Now ToNe just hangs on Duncan's nuts all day, talking about how he's never fucked up like Kobe has...That's the dumbest shit I've ever heard...You people gotta watch some basketball, not just read NBA.com... ::)
lol..who the fuck goes to nba.com? havn't been to that site since all-star voting
"I admit Duncan is an excellent player, and one of the best Power Forwards ever to play the game, but Kobe is simply better" ::)
;D
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Oh, I'm sorry...Mr. ESPN.
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he can say the same shit about you being on kobe's nutz...watch it with that word.
how am I on Kobe's nuttz. I have seen Kobe, KG and Duncan all play, and from what I've seen, Kobe is the best in my opinion. Duncan is too boring, his a great player, but I don't see him putting teams away. I mean it took him 6 games to beat a Nets team that the Lakers took out in a sweep. This year, it was Kobe that was putting teams away in the playoffs, Kobe was the one coming out a putting away the T'Wolves and the Spurs. We'll see what Kobe can do by himself, and I'll be honest, I don't see Kobe doing it without help, which is why I'm saying watch the refs... lol. But one on one, any player out there, Kobe has the complete game including the killer instinct to beat any team out there. Put Odam who is getting better, and Butler who had a good post-season, mix in Payton and maybe Divac for a legit center in the west, the Lakers can make a good run for the title. Against Shaq, Eddie Jones, and Robert Horry, hell... tell me that's a dream NBA Finals.
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Douhtit & Grant for Divac?...Naah, Divac is too old...Lakers might need to get their hands on a bigger center though...Then they got themselves a championship team.
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they gotta get some big boys. since shaq and malone are gone, they have no real center and no real PF if grant pretends to be a center. odom and butler arent real PFs. basically, they gotta get bigger.