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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: boycriedwolf619 on September 27, 2005, 07:34:39 PM
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Could someone hit me up wit some info about what were they about. Cuz my homie trying to say that basically they were the black KKK which I dont think is true because I believe they stood for alot of posivtive things in which the KKK did not stand for. Do you think that the Black Panther party was rascist?
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no, they fought fo the right fo blacks but you had to be black to get in
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Could someone hit me up wit some info about what were they about. Cuz my homie trying to say that basically they were the black KKK which I dont think is true because I believe they stood for alot of posivtive things in which the KKK did not stand for. Do you think that the Black Panther party was rascist?
They were nothing like the KKK, nor were they a "civil rights" group. Because they believed that the prevailing morals and rights of the system were wrong, and they advocated a complete overthrow of the system. They were a socialist organization and they wanted an end to capatalism. They had support from foriegn socialist and communist governments. Some of their members like Eldridge Cleaver and Assata Shakur(?) exiled America and were given refuge by communist governments.
Many of their themes were taken from Malcolm X, although Malcolm himself was not a member, their motto was armed self defense. They believed that since the police department couldn't provide adequate defense and security for black people, they had to create their own police, and often they would 'police the police' and follow around cop cars and video tape them brutalizing and abusing black folks... the black panther party got into shootouts with the cops, there was one historic shootout in particular that involved their leader Huey Newton and also Eldridge Cleaver and one other member.
Also, on one occasion, H. 'Rap' Browne (before he converted to Islam and became Imam Jamil Al Amin) and other Black Panthers went into Reagans governers mansion all armed with guns, and at the time it was legal to carry weapons in California so they couldn't do anything to them, and it scared the crap out of a lot of white folks.
...anyway, that's some basic things, if you want more information about their goals and the mindset behind the Black Panther Party of the 60's then you should read Eldridge Cleaver's "Soul On Ice" (and the sequal "Soul On Fire") or H. Rap Browne's "Die Nigger Die", these are classic books from those times.
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Yea. I think they were racist. Just like Malcolm X, the NOI and the KKK.
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Yea. I think they were racist. Just like Malcolm X, the NOI and the KKK.
Malcolm X a racist? Are these the words of a racist?
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Malcolm X Letter From His Pilgrimage To Mekkah... in which he denounces all the tenets of racism.
Never have I witnessed such sincere hospitality and overwhelming spirit of true brotherhood as is practiced by people of all colors and races here in this Ancient Holy Land, the home of Abraham, Muhammad and all the other Prophets of the Holy Scriptures. For the past week, I have been utterly speechless and spellbound by the graciousness I see displayed all around me by people of all colors.
I have been blessed to visit the Holy City of Mecca. I have made my seven circuits around the Ka'ba, led by a young Mutawaf named Muhammad. I drank water from the well of the Zam Zam. I ran seven times back and forth between the hills of Mt. Al-Safa and Al-Marwah. I have prayed in the ancient city of Mina, and I have prayed on Mt. Arafat.
There were tens of thousands of pilgrims, from all over the world. They were of all colors, from blue-eyed blonds to black-skinned Africans. But we were all participating in the same ritual, displaying a spirit of unity and brotherhood that my experiences in America had led me to believe never could exist between the white and non-white.
America needs to understand Islam, because this is the one religion that erases from its society the race problem. Throughout my travels in the Muslim world, I have met, talked to, and even eaten with people who in America would have been considered 'white'--but the 'white' attitude was removed from their minds by the religion of Islam. I have never before seen sincere and true brotherhood practiced by all colors together, irrespective of their color.
You may be shocked by these words coming from me. But on this pilgrimage, what I have seen, and experienced, has forced me to re-arrange much of my thought-patterns previously held, and to toss aside some of my previous conclusions. This was not too difficult for me. Despite my firm convictions, I have always been a man who tries to face facts, and to accept the reality of life as new experience and new knowledge unfolds it. I have always kept an open mind, which is necessary to the flexibility that must go hand in hand with every form of intelligent search for truth.
During the past eleven days here in the Muslim world, I have eaten from the same plate, drunk from the same glass, and slept in the same bed (or on the same rug)--while praying to the same God--with fellow Muslims, whose eyes were the bluest of blue, whose hair was the blondest of blond, and whose skin was the whitest of white. And in the words and in the actions in the deeds of the 'white' Muslims, I felt the same sincerity that I felt among the black African Muslims of Nigeria, Sudan, and Ghana.
We were truly all the same (brothers)--because their belief in one God had removed the white from their minds, the white from their behavior, and the white from their attitude.
I could see from this, that perhaps if white Americans could accept the Oneness of God, then perhaps, too, they could accept in reality the Oneness of Man--and cease to measure, and hinder, and harm others in terms of their 'differences' in color.
With racism plaguing America like an incurable cancer, the so-called 'Christian' white American heart should be more receptive to a proven solution to such a destructive problem. Perhaps it could be in time to save America from imminent disaster--the same destruction brought upon Germany by racism that eventually destroyed the Germans themselves.
Each hour here in the Holy Land enables me to have greater spiritual insights into what is happening in America between black and white. The American Negro never can be blamed for his racial animosities--he is only reacting to four hundred years of the conscious racism of the American whites. But as racism leads America up the suicide path, I do believe, from the experiences that I have had with them, that the whites of the younger generation, in the colleges and universities, will see the handwriting on the walls and many of them will turn to the spiritual path of truth--the only way left to America to ward off the disaster that racism inevitably must lead to.
Never have I been so highly honored. Never have I been made to feel more humble and unworthy. Who would believe the blessings that have been heaped upon an American Negro? A few nights ago, a man who would be called in America a 'white' man, a United Nations diplomat, an ambassador, a companion of kings, gave me his hotel suite, his bed. ... Never would I have even thought of dreaming that I would ever be a recipient of such honors--honors that in America would be bestowed upon a King--not a Negro.
All praise is due to Allah, the Lord of all the Worlds.
Sincerely,
El-Hajj Malik El-Shabazz
(Malcolm X)
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^^You Wish You Were Black And A Black Panther, LOL
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I'll be honest Allah's slave: Abdul-Infinite, I don't have the nerve to read and analyse the long quote you posted. But, I will tell you why I said what I said. Malcolm X has been racist in his earlier days, he changed for the better, Im aware of that - which is also why he got blasted.
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I'll be honest Allah's slave: Abdul-Infinite, I don't have the nerve to read and analyse the long quote you posted. But, I will tell you why I said what I said. Malcolm X has been racist in his earlier days, he changed for the better, Im aware of that - which is also why he got blasted.
Fair enough, even Malcolm will admit that he was a racist when he was under the leadership of Elijah Muhammad. But as long as you acknowledge that he changed upon finding the true Islam in his pilgrimage to Mekkah, then we're cool... Because the true Islam as it is practiced universally does states explicitly that there is no preference in color or race, but only in piety and God-consiousness. You really should read that whole letter from Mekkah, it will only take you 5 minutes, and it's a historic piece of history.
http://www.malcolm-x.org/islam.htm
"I am and always will be a Muslim. My religion is Islam."
"I am not a racist in any form whatsoever. I don't believe in any form of discrimination or segregation. I believe in Islam. I am a Muslim and there is nothing wrong with being a Muslim, nothing wrong with the religion of Islam. It just teaches us to believe in Allah as the God. Those of you who are Christian probably believe in the same God, because I think you believe in the God Who created the universe. That's the One we believe in, the One Who created universe--the only difference being you call Him God and we call Him Allah. The Jews call Him Jehovah. If you could understand Hebrew, you would probably call Him Jehovah too. If you could understand Arabic, you would probably call Him Allah...."
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Yea. I think they were racist. Just like Malcolm X, the NOI and the KKK.
you see thats like the point of view my homie(yes he is white) coming from. But i dont see how on the fact that the kkk was created out of straight racism, hatred etc towards blacks basically for no reason, but the black panther was not created on racism but instead like allahs slave said to create security for the blacks in neighborhoods since cops back then werent doing such a goob job. but i really dont see how they could be racist it wasnt like they walked around passing pamphlets promoting hatred towards whites like the kkk did towards blacks.
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oh yeah what does NOI stand for and allahs slave thanks for all that info very much appreciated
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One can argue about the circumstances and how 'justified' the racism was and all that. But one thing you can NOT argue is, that they were racist.
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oh yeah what does NOI stand for and allahs slave thanks for all that info very much appreciated
Nation of Islam founded by Elijah Muhammad.
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remember the NOI has nothing to do with real Islam. just an excuse for black militancy (which I'm a'll for). The black panther party were the same but instead of hiding behind religion they had civil rights. They did a lot of good tho so I'm not hatin.
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One can argue about the circumstances and how 'justified' the racism was and all that. But one thing you can NOT argue is, that they were racist.
Im trying to understand from your point of view but its like you dont have any facts or anything to back up your statement so its like okay wheres the rest. that dude Allahs slave he posted up INFO, so someone could read and be like "Oh okay I see where you're coming from".
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Copy and pasting articles is something I dislike to do. I like to bring everything across with my own style, and if people don't feel it then so be it. One thing be told though, I really don't get how you can possibly not understand how these types of organisations are racist, it's a fucking given to me, not even anything to have an argument about. Maybe that is because you define "being racist" differently. Do you define it like "being a fucking asshole who needs to die", and think that those people had a point and a reason to act like they acted? That's ok then. But I don't define "being racist" like that. Those people united because of race-related issues and fighted another race because of race-related issues, which makes them racist. Whether they had a reason to do so or were just plain assholes is irrelevant to the fact that they were indeed racist.
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Copy and pasting articles is something I dislike to do. I like to bring everything across with my own style, and if people don't feel it then so be it. One thing be told though, I really don't get how you can possibly not understand how these types of organisations are racist, it's a fucking given to me, not even anything to have an argument about. Maybe that is because you define "being racist" differently. Do you define it like "being a fucking asshole who needs to die", and think that those people had a point and a reason to act like they acted? That's ok then. But I don't define "being racist" like that. Those people united because of race-related issues and fighted another race because of race-related issues, which makes them racist. Whether they had a reason to do so or were just plain assholes is irrelevant to the fact that they were indeed racist.
Tru i can see where you coming from but i guess at the end of the day a topic such as this there is no sraight answer.There might have been some rasicm issues with in the Black Panther Party but I wouldn't include the Black Panther Party in the same category as the KKK though because of what their goals were..
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Copy and pasting articles is something I dislike to do. I like to bring everything across with my own style, and if people don't feel it then so be it. One thing be told though, I really don't get how you can possibly not understand how these types of organisations are racist, it's a fucking given to me, not even anything to have an argument about. Maybe that is because you define "being racist" differently. Do you define it like "being a fucking asshole who needs to die", and think that those people had a point and a reason to act like they acted? That's ok then. But I don't define "being racist" like that. Those people united because of race-related issues and fighted another race because of race-related issues, which makes them racist. Whether they had a reason to do so or were just plain assholes is irrelevant to the fact that they were indeed racist.
Tru i can see where you coming from but i guess at the end of the day a topic such as this there is no sraight answer.There might have been some rasicm issues with in the Black Panther Party but I wouldn't include the Black Panther Party in the same category as the KKK though because of what their goals were..
Yea, it's like this: the San Antonio Spurs are on a whole other level compared to the Atlanta Hawks. Still, they're both NBA teams. NowhatImsayin?
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Copy and pasting articles is something I dislike to do. I like to bring everything across with my own style, and if people don't feel it then so be it. One thing be told though, I really don't get how you can possibly not understand how these types of organisations are racist, it's a fucking given to me, not even anything to have an argument about. Maybe that is because you define "being racist" differently. Do you define it like "being a fucking asshole who needs to die", and think that those people had a point and a reason to act like they acted? That's ok then. But I don't define "being racist" like that. Those people united because of race-related issues and fighted another race because of race-related issues, which makes them racist. Whether they had a reason to do so or were just plain assholes is irrelevant to the fact that they were indeed racist.
Tru i can see where you coming from but i guess at the end of the day a topic such as this there is no sraight answer.There might have been some rasicm issues with in the Black Panther Party but I wouldn't include the Black Panther Party in the same category as the KKK though because of what their goals were..
Actually the Klans goals when created weren't any worse than the Black Panthers. Upon the first official KKK the puposes were;
First: To protect the weak, the innocent, and the defenseless from the indignities, wrongs and outrages of the lawless, the violent and the brutal; to relieve the injured and oppressed; to succor the suffering and unfortunate, and especially the widows and orphans of the Confederate soldiers.
Second: To protect and defend the Constitution of the United States ...
Third: To aid and assist in the execution of all constitutional laws, and to protect the people from unlawful seizure, and from trial except by their peers in conformity with the laws of the land.
The Panthers' mission statement was;
We want freedom. We want power to determine the destiny of our Black Community.
We want full employment for our people.
We want an end to the robbery by the white man of our Black Community.
We want decent housing, fit for shelter of human beings.
We want education for our people that exposes the true nature of this decadent American society. We want education that teaches us our true history and our role in the present-day society.
We want all black men to be exempt from military service.
We want an immediate end to police brutality and murder of black people.
We want freedom for all black men held in federal, state, county and city prisons and jails.
We want all black people when brought to trial to be tried in court by a jury of their peer group or people from their black communities, as defined by the Constitution of the United States.
We want land, bread, housing, education, clothing, justice and peace.
When the Klan first started it was a social club, but when it first becae political it was to defend their own souther confederate people from the evils caused by the invading North. In both cases it wasa group of people trying to protect their status and better their lives. It was Klan members that later took it a few steps ahead, but there were many Panther members that went too far as well. The second Klan adopted many of the tactics the first Klan was not supposed to be about.
In my opinion both first and second Klan were racists and so were the Panthers. I disagree personaly with every aspect of both. However I understand that the first whites that joined the Klan did so because they though it was eccesary to survive, just like the first blacks that joined the Panthers.
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We want freedom for all black men held in federal, state, county and city prisons and jails.
LMAO
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yea, black panthers seem like a bunch of crazy violent motherfuckers. i dont recpect anyone that uses violence to get their point across, and those points that shallow posted, some of them are rediculous.
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yea, black panthers seem like a bunch of crazy violent motherfuckers. i dont recpect anyone that uses violence to get their point across, and those points that shallow posted, some of them are rediculous.
well seeing how the blacks were treated back in those days, i really dont blame them for using violence to get their point across sometimes...