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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Real American on June 01, 2006, 05:50:48 PM
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Seriously, about 70% of black children in the US are born out of wedlock. If you are looking for the reason why the black poverty rate is so high, that is the sole reason, not racism as liberals would like you to believe.
Number 1.......black children don't have fathers in their lives who will give them discipline and help raise them to be productive adults.That is probably why there are so many behavoiral problems with black kids in schools and society as a whole. Number 2......not having a fatrher hurts kids financially, because that is a second source of income the family is missing out on. It is hard enough to get by with 2 parents working, it is almost impossible with just one.
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is that your solution...just stop? i'll see if i can get you a speakers chair at next years million man march
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White people should wash thier hair, stay off the fuckin Meth, and stop asking me for change and cigarettes in the Wal-mart parking lot.
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and dude this thread aint looking good, remember what happened to bryan from kansas?
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and dude this thread aint looking good, remember what happened to bryan from kansas?
I am not going to be censored for bringing up a serious issue plagueing the black community. It is something that isn't "politically correct" to talk about, so everyone ignores it and the problem keeps getting bigger and bigger. Bill Cosby has brought up the issue of out of wedlock births in the black community and instead of being praised for speaking the truth he has been attacked by liberals unmercifully. The truth hurts sometimes.
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of course, but most of us here aren't black so its an unrealistic debate either way...
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He's right that in general children without fathers tend to have many difficulties and that it does seem to be more rampant in the black community. I agree with this post except that it's too racially focused although the point is well taken.
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of course, but most of us here aren't black so its an unrealistic debate either way...
Why is it unrealistic? Because we are white we can't talk about the issue?
I guess black folks can't talk about anything relating to white people then, huh? Seriously, blakc poverty is an issue that affects us all and as a nation we have to address the problem.
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i hate it when their women talk all loud in public, especially movie theatres
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so wats ur solution to the problem ,all u said was tehy have to stop, but u don't realize is that this issue is caused by the lifes they were forced to live in
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so wats ur solution to the problem ,all u said was tehy have to stop, but u don't realize is that this issue is caused by the lifes they were forced to live in
well, its 50/50 between that and their own ignorance, cant let people get away with everything just cuz u like their music
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so wats ur solution to the problem ,all u said was tehy have to stop, but u don't realize is that this issue is caused by the lifes they were forced to live in
I don't know the answer. It is something black people have to do themselves.
But I do know that the problem isn't because "the lives they were forced to live in". if you look at the stats, black people had low illegitimacy rates back in the 30's, 40's, 50's etc back when there really was racism. So this is a recent phenomenon. It is affecting all races, but primarily blacks.
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This is typical of CWalker...muthafucka just loves hearing himself talk. Fuck conservatism...this is characteristic of narcissism. Note the way he makes himself out to be some kind of martyr...he wants you to believe only conservatives would discuss this kind of stuff. And what's more is that he appeals to being "politically incorrect" as a justification for his real agenda, which is of course to portray his own race and American society as completely blameless.
So everybody applaud CWalker for saying the same thing that "conservatives" like 2Pac and Ice Cube have said for years. (CLAP CLAP CLAP)
Bill Cosby has brought up the issue of out of wedlock births in the black community and instead of being praised for speaking the truth he has been attacked by liberals unmercifully. The truth hurts sometimes.
Bill Cosby was criticized for being elitist in that same speech...when he criticized black parents for giving their kids African names like "Shinequa" and then he said "and they're all in jail."
Plenty of so-called "liberals" acknowledge this truth which you think you're the only person in the world to expose. But conservatives like yourself just want to find an excuse to criticize blacks, and it always looks better if you can find a house nigga to do it for you. That way, you can say that it's all our fault for the way things are, and you can clear your conscience. But yeah, the truth hurts, and don't worry...us "leftists" won't let your sheltered ass forget that.
Why is it unrealistic? Because we are white we can't talk about the issue?
I guess black folks can't talk about anything relating to white people then, huh? Seriously, blakc poverty is an issue that affects us all and as a nation we have to address the problem.
Honestly, how often do you see black people getting on TV and telling white folks how to live, how to raise their kids, etc.?
Well, I could do that, if you want. Here's my advice to all the honkies out there: Stop raising your kids to be such spoiled brats who have no concept of responsibility. And tell them to stop getting drunk every fucking night and then whining to me when they can't turn in their assignments on time. They need to learn that in the real world, moms and pops ain't gonna be there to bail them out when they tally up huge credit card debts and can't pay for broadband and cell phone bills and all that shit. Or maybe they will...uh, oh, white America's future could be in trouble.
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Eightball, instead of resorting to personal attacks, let's just debate the issue.
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Eightball, instead of resorting to personal attacks, let's just debate the issue.
You know as well as I do that you invite them.
And I expect you to respond by asking me why.
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start debating wat are the measures or actions that should be done by the black community and the general goverment
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start debating wat are the measures or actions that should be done by the black community and the general goverment
That can't be done until conservatives stop accusing us of being lazy. I will not cooperate with anyone who denies the existence of the struggle...I can only consider them an enemy, exactly what they consider me.
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Eightball, instead of resorting to personal attacks, let's just debate the issue.
You know as well as I do that you invite them.
And I expect you to respond by asking me why.
Why?
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That can't be done until conservatives stop accusing us of being lazy. I will not cooperate with anyone who denies the existence of the struggle...I can only consider them an enemy, exactly what they consider me.
Eightball, stop blaming white people. This issue has nothing to do with white people or conservatives. It has to do solely with individuals and their actions. Having children out of wedlock is not good for society as a whole. Somewhere along the line it became acceptable and what we are seeing is the breakdown of familiies and severe reprecussions following.
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Why?
Because you attack entire groups of people. And then you act innocent and wonder why your karma is almost -250.
Eightball, stop blaming white people. This issue has nothing to do with white people or conservatives. It has to do solely with individuals and their actions. Having children out of wedlock is not good for society as a whole. Somewhere along the line it became acceptable and what we are seeing is the breakdown of familiies and severe reprecussions following.
CWalker, stop blaming black people. This issue has nothing to do with black people or liberals. It has to do solely with individuals and their actions...but we must understand the conditions that make such actions "acceptable", as you call it.
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What conditions are you talking about??
Also, don't forget that 50 years ago, when racism truly was a serious problem in America, that illegitimacy rates were low across the board for all races. Sometime around the 1960's, the illegitimacy rates began to climb for all races, but epecially for black people. So don't tell me that is it white people's fault, when it has been only a recent phenomenon. Actually as society has become less racist, the illegitimacy rates have actally climbed and they have detsroyed the black family unit in America.
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What conditions are you talking about??
Also, don't forget that 50 years ago, when racism truly was a serious problem in America, that illegitimacy rates were low across the board for all races. Sometime around the 1960's, the illegitimacy rates began to climb for all races, but epecially for black people. So don't tell me that is it white people's fault, when it has been only a recent phenomenon. Actually as society has become less racist, the illegitimacy rates have actally climbed and they have detsroyed the black family unit in America.
Are you familiar with the migration of whites to suburbs (which were off-limits to blacks at that time), and the construction of housing projects for blacks? It actually happened right around the 1950s - the time of the "nuclear family" - when you claim this trend began. Then there were the mass lay-offs in L.A. (which began in the 1970s with the closing of many industrial plants) to take into consideration. It's a widely observed trend that gang activity increased at about the same time.
As far as America being "less racist", there may not be any active discrimination, but the existence of attitudes such as yours proves that we haven't moved far enough forward...yet.
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What conditions are you talking about??
Also, don't forget that 50 years ago, when racism truly was a serious problem in America, that illegitimacy rates were low across the board for all races. Sometime around the 1960's, the illegitimacy rates began to climb for all races, but epecially for black people. So don't tell me that is it white people's fault, when it has been only a recent phenomenon. Actually as society has become less racist, the illegitimacy rates have actally climbed and they have detsroyed the black family unit in America.
Are you familiar with the migration of whites to suburbs (which were off-limits to blacks at that time), and the construction of housing projects for blacks? It actually happened right around the 1950s - the time of the "nuclear family" - when you claim this trend began. Then there were the mass lay-offs in L.A. (which began in the 1970s with the closing of many industrial plants) to take into consideration. It's a widely observed trend that gang activity increased at about the same time.
As far as America being "less racist", there may not be any active discrimination, but the existence of attitudes such as yours proves that we haven't moved far enough forward...yet.
It's got to be more than that. I think it has to stem from a change of mentality (if the numbers are correct and it really is 70%). Blacks lived like kings in the 60s when compared to what was going on in the south right after they were "freed" by Abe Lincoln and company, and if they could make due back then and stay with their families and can't now (assuming that the stats do say that, I wouldn't know), then it simply cannot stem from being oppressed in the 60s and 70s and probably has more to do with the Kill Whitey mentality that came about in those times. Before the 60s you were oppressed asa black to the point that you knew you could never do anything about it. The 60s started the mindset of no longer taking shit from the whites and not doing as you are told the white man tells you how you should live. It's like if you get on the bus as a black man and short change the driver and he calls you on it and won't let you on (I've seen this many times with my own eyes) insteda of admitted you got caught cheating it's like they just see another white devil being racist and when you think racism you have this nobel feeling to fight it even if it isn't there and that leads to a lot of problems for a lot of young black males I know. Out of the dozens of personal black friends I have I can tell you that almost all of the ones that would challenge the bus driver in that situation (meaning have that type of mentality) are in far lower place in society then the ones that would not challenge the driver (of course those types wouldn't try and cheat their way on the bus either), and it all seems to sten with how they were taught to challenge authority. They grew up with mothers who would defend every bad action they do (almost all of the ones that end up with that mentality) and it's usually because these mothers were teens when they had the children, and who impregnated them? Teenage boys that came from those kind of households. It'sa real chicken and egg scenario.
I for one am all for getting every male a vasectomy at puberty and only allow to have it reversed upon request. Not just black males. Every male in the country. The population would drop drastically and children would only be raised by parents who chose to have them.
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education is key to solve an issue like this but this problem isnt only centred around one race. All races have kids out of wedlock. Like I said we need to educate others about the cause and effects of poverty and other issues that r plaguing our world. It's like HIV/aids in South africa. ppl r always like y dont they just use a fucking condom or just dont have sex. well a majority of ppl dont know that condoms can help or that u can even contract HIV/aids from sex or that HIV/aids even exists. this as well as many other issues may affect a certain type of ppl but it will take the help of everyone to resolve these problems.
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Maybe the problem doesn't lie within the black community, but within American culture? Instead of just blaming the community, why not try to understand why this happens, and what can be done to help fix the problem.
Less and less people get married nowadays anyway. Just because the kid is born out of wedlock, doesn't mean the Dad isn't around to help raise him. I know lots of people who have kids and aren't married, that doesn't mean they are bad people.
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Props to everyone (espically Eihtball) who posted some valid arguements. This is actually a good discussion. I'll even prop CWalker for not posting some hateful shit only to run away or post even more ignorant shit (although he probably was intending to).
Personaly I look at it this way. First it was slavery, then it was segregation, then it was racism, then it was politics (it was always racism and politics just as it is now, just not this sophisticated). Now as a race, Black people's mentality is being destroyed by what there being portrayed as/expected to be. But the reasons are running thin. If we as Black people want better we just have to except it and move on. Role with the punches. It doesn't help that the reasons I stated are used as an excuse for everything by the most ignorant of Black men and being passed on to others.
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Maybe the problem doesn't lie within the black community, but within American culture? Instead of just blaming the community, why not try to understand why this happens, and what can be done to help fix the problem.
Less and less people get married nowadays anyway. Just because the kid is born out of wedlock, doesn't mean the Dad isn't around to help raise him. I know lots of people who have kids and aren't married, that doesn't mean they are bad people.
Excellent point. In fact white out of wedlock births have doubled and are now at a higher rate than black out of wedlock births were in the 60s when LBJ got the memo. One theory states it has a lot to do with the technology shock of the 70s that allowed single people to have easy access to abortion and birth control and this lead to the massive decline of the shotgun marriage. I think a lot also has to do with the feminist movement that made women think they didn't need a man. Whatever it is it has a lot to do with liberal minded thinking not thinking hard enough as far as I'm concerned.
Anyway, here is the article from the mid 90s;
http://www.brook.edu/comm/policybriefs/pb05.htm
and here is a link to an audio clip of the memo;
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=4865449
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props on the audio
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You know what CWalker, I don't say this very often (but for some reason more so lately), but I agree with you 100%. These women have having babies when they're not financially and mentally mature enough to take care of one, so the kid ends up getting with the wrong crowd and get caught up in crime. It's ridiculous. These guys are born without a father figure to teach them how to be "real" men and support your children, but as soon as they screw up, they do like their daddy did and run away. It's a vicious cycle and its sickening. Sometimes I think people treat children like a toy or a pet instead of what it really is, a person.
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alotta these 18-25 year old girls realize that when their pussy power is fading their fucked in the world cuz theyre dumb and thats all theyve ever been. shitting out a kid is good insurance so you can convince people you're not worthless, its easier than getting a job
or as pimp c put it "wicked women usin' children to live on"
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alotta these 18-25 year old girls realize that when their pussy power is fading their fucked in the world cuz theyre dumb and thats all theyve ever been. shitting out a kid is good insurance so you can convince people you're not worthless, its easier than getting a job
or as pimp c put it "wicked women usin' children to live on"
Stupid bitches.
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You know what CWalker, I don't say this very often (but for some reason more so lately), but I agree with you 100%. These women have having babies when they're not financially and mentally mature enough to take care of one, so the kid ends up getting with the wrong crowd and get caught up in crime. It's ridiculous. These guys are born without a father figure to teach them how to be "real" men and support your children, but as soon as they screw up, they do like their daddy did and run away. It's a vicious cycle and its sickening. Sometimes I think people treat children like a toy or a pet instead of what it really is, a person.
word.. but it aint just black people doin it...
that pet thing reminds of something.. a homie who moved here told me from outta town told me that he used to score off a couple who lived in a dirty ass house etc.. and their kid was a 13 or so year old girl who basically lived in the house like an animal, naked, unwashed never went to school etc etc.. sickening what people do..
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You know what CWalker, I don't say this very often (but for some reason more so lately), but I agree with you 100%. These women have having babies when they're not financially and mentally mature enough to take care of one, so the kid ends up getting with the wrong crowd and get caught up in crime. It's ridiculous. These guys are born without a father figure to teach them how to be "real" men and support your children, but as soon as they screw up, they do like their daddy did and run away. It's a vicious cycle and its sickening. Sometimes I think people treat children like a toy or a pet instead of what it really is, a person.
word.. but it aint just black people doin it...
that pet thing reminds of something.. a homie who moved here told me from outta town told me that he used to score off a couple who lived in a dirty ass house etc.. and their kid was a 13 or so year old girl who basically lived in the house like an animal, naked, unwashed never went to school etc etc.. sickening what people do..
Oh definitely, that's why I just said "people" in general. It's a epidemic affecting all groups of people, minorities and the impoverished in particular.
These girls gotta understand that they're not physically made to fuck around with every guy on the street. Their gonna eventually get pregnant whether they want to or not.
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Number 1.......black children don't have fathers in their lives who will give them discipline and help raise them to be productive adults.That is probably why there are so many behavoiral problems with black kids in schools and society as a whole. Number 2......not having a fatrher hurts kids financially, because that is a second source of income the family is missing out on. It is hard enough to get by with 2 parents working, it is almost impossible with just one.
Fuck the race card number one but number two you are fuckin stereotypin out your ass becuz having no father around 24/7 doesn't cause a child to have behavoiral problems.
And it sounds like your blaming the fuckin kids. Its not their fault!
Don't sit there and say just black people becuz you'd be surpised at the numbers for white folks too! I can't fuckin stand people who keep the fuckin Black/White shit alive.
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I think this is a problem which has become massively widespread I dont know the figures for non black single parents but I am sure it is massive. My cousin lives in Canada and she can name 10 friends off the top of her which live as single mothers. I am not sure if the solution is necessarily for more couples to get wed because as we all know divorces are also rocketing. I think it is more complex than that and really although its difficult to claim exactly what is causing this, the media has a massive role in the demise of the social and family structure. Monogamy has become the in word in the media, you see it in magazines on television everywhere you look, sex sells as they say and I think its been brainwashed into young adults that they should have sex with as many people as possible, so they feel that by sticking by a woman they are somehow not living a fulfilled life. Materialism is also playing a prevalent role in this breakdown because now things are being measured in terms of material wealth vs family, sadly most people see it as too big a sacrifice to not have plentifuls of cash which they would inevitably only spend on meaningless objects anyway.
As far as black people in general are concerned I read an interesting theory in a marketing book which I had to read, I can't remember what the theory was called and in addition I can not remember the name of the theorist but basically he said that the media deliberately and successfully targets black people in particular because they believe that to compete with the white man and get on the same level as him then they must have many material posessions so that they will get the respect and image that middle class white men have. I personally have never known what thats like because my family have never been middle class or anywhere near it in fact but that according to the book is a recognised fact.
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i have a solution
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^ So do I..rap it up and quit wit the racial statistics.
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Seriously, about 70% of black children in the US are born out of wedlock. If you are looking for the reason why the black poverty rate is so high, that is the sole reason, not racism as liberals would like you to believe.
Number 1.......black children don't have fathers in their lives who will give them discipline and help raise them to be productive adults.That is probably why there are so many behavoiral problems with black kids in schools and society as a whole. Number 2......not having a fatrher hurts kids financially, because that is a second source of income the family is missing out on. It is hard enough to get by with 2 parents working, it is almost impossible with just one.
that's funny since whites have the highest poverty rate.....haha
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Seriously, about 70% of black children in the US are born out of wedlock. If you are looking for the reason why the black poverty rate is so high, that is the sole reason, not racism as liberals would like you to believe.
Number 1.......black children don't have fathers in their lives who will give them discipline and help raise them to be productive adults.That is probably why there are so many behavoiral problems with black kids in schools and society as a whole. Number 2......not having a fatrher hurts kids financially, because that is a second source of income the family is missing out on. It is hard enough to get by with 2 parents working, it is almost impossible with just one.
that's funny since whites have the highest poverty rate.....haha
whites are the majority we have every number statistic buddy
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whites are the majority
Not for long. :stir:
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whites are the majority
Not for long. :stir:
well good now coloreds cant bitch about unfair statistics
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whites are the majority
Not for long. :stir:
You are black, right? if so, I wouldn't be too excited about whites no longer being the majority. Trust me, blacks have it a hell of a lot better with a white majority than they would if there was a Latino majority.
That is just real talk.
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whites are the majority
Not for long. :stir:
You are black, right? if so, I wouldn't be too excited about whites no longer being the majority. Trust me, blacks have it a hell of a lot better with a white majority than they would if there was a Latino majority.
That is just real talk.
Actualy I agree. :(
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This republican is gonna be even madder when Hillary wins!
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whites are the majority
Not for long. :stir:
You are black, right? if so, I wouldn't be too excited about whites no longer being the majority. Trust me, blacks have it a hell of a lot better with a white majority than they would if there was a Latino majority.
That is just real talk.
now that's a dumb ass comment. In Latin America, U.S. controlled, white people are controlling the countries, and they are all fucked. Lets allow the country mature, then we talk.
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i hate it when their women talk all loud in public, especially movie theatres
I hate when other kinds of women 1. Smell like wet dogs 2. stab me 3. crash into me with their cars. you add the race to each. If you hate Black folks stop liking their music.
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You know what CWalker, I don't say this very often (but for some reason more so lately), but I agree with you 100%. These women have having babies when they're not financially and mentally mature enough to take care of one, so the kid ends up getting with the wrong crowd and get caught up in crime. It's ridiculous. These guys are born without a father figure to teach them how to be "real" men and support your children, but as soon as they screw up, they do like their daddy did and run away. It's a vicious cycle and its sickening. Sometimes I think people treat children like a toy or a pet instead of what it really is, a person.
one word....CONDOM
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I think this is a problem which has become massively widespread I dont know the figures for non black single parents but I am sure it is massive. My cousin lives in Canada and she can name 10 friends off the top of her which live as single mothers. I am not sure if the solution is necessarily for more couples to get wed because as we all know divorces are also rocketing. I think it is more complex than that and really although its difficult to claim exactly what is causing this, the media has a massive role in the demise of the social and family structure. Monogamy has become the in word in the media, you see it in magazines on television everywhere you look, sex sells as they say and I think its been brainwashed into young adults that they should have sex with as many people as possible, so they feel that by sticking by a woman they are somehow not living a fulfilled life. Materialism is also playing a prevalent role in this breakdown because now things are being measured in terms of material wealth vs family, sadly most people see it as too big a sacrifice to not have plentifuls of cash which they would inevitably only spend on meaningless objects anyway.
As far as black people in general are concerned I read an interesting theory in a marketing book which I had to read, I can't remember what the theory was called and in addition I can not remember the name of the theorist but basically he said that the media deliberately and successfully targets black people in particular because they believe that to compete with the white man and get on the same level as him then they must have many material posessions so that they will get the respect and image that middle class white men have. I personally have never known what thats like because my family have never been middle class or anywhere near it in fact but that according to the book is a recognised fact.
I agree with u in material part...in a way. Yeah..it does play the role that affects everyone. The world is really sick as in mentally sick. They can't seem to appreciate with what they have. They feel like they "need" to have more. It's a dangerous drug and legal...."media." Basing on your second paragraph it sounds like some slave shit to me. In a way, I can't knock that because I seen some of the brothaz on street kissin' white asses just to get what they.
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O'kay the family structure in America has been broken, but I don't get how that relates to blacks. You said it yourself it is bad for society key word being society (including everyone) so don't play the race card. As far as it being the "sole" reason for poverty in the black community, it's obvious someone is trying to hide by placing blame elsewhere. Reality is it's not that black and white. Does racism play role? Yes. As time went on racism might of subsided but the mentality that was instilled remained, among many other things.
Solution: Stop
I wish they would just stop, so you can create another explaining why that didn't work and what to do next.
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Well for one thing i find it bizarre and ironic that you should say to anyone stop playing the race card when this topic is about blacks but nontheless i do actually agree with you if you had bothered to read my post properly you would have noticed that i fully acknowledge it and for the most part i was talking about society because this issue is not fundamentally a problem solely with black people.
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easiest shit in the world that people don't understand:
wear a fuckin condom, and if you don't have enough money to support a kid - don't fuckin have one
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This is not just a US-thing you know. Take Rotterdam in the Netherlands. It's completely normal to spot young black women (between 20-25,something like that) with several children at their side. Usually, they have one that walks alongside them, one in the buggy and another on the arm, while they are allready visibly pregnant with number 4. And more often than not, those children do NOT share the same father.
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black people need to VOTE J BANANAS 4 TOT MOD 2006, THE PEOPLE'S CHOICE
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this does happen too much tho, everyone who comes to my check cashing store with government checks have like 3 or more kids....i know one couple who ahs a kid every year for the check...they are all black tho (i dont care, but its no wonder people stereotype them as doing it more than anyone).......its sad they get money...and do shit with it that has nothing to do with benefiting the child...its really sad in sum cases...but what can u do
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i guess bitches are nothing but baby maker machine... :'( ;D
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this is the most ignorant thread on the forum worry about yourself and not what other races are doing u acting like blacks are the only one with that problem choke on a dick faggot you an undercover racist