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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: PLANT on May 07, 2006, 11:20:02 AM
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They just announced it during halftime and had a interview with Nash...
Here's how the voting went down.
1. Steve Nash
2. LeBron James
3. Dirk Nowitzki
4. Kobe Bryant
5. Chauncy Billups
Nash admitted that all other candiates were physically better players than he was, and almost seemed shocked that he had won twice now. He said if he was to pick one it would be Dirk but that he would have suported any of the other candidates as MVP. He also said he admires and looks up to the other MVP candidates.
Congrats to Steve Nash.....IMO he deserved it.
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everybody already knew this was gonna happen but it´s laughable that they got him infront of Kobe and Bron IMHO.
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Imo Dirk and Bron would've deserved it more, especially since Nash already won MVP 2005
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woulda been embarassin if they lost
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I saw that too...and the thing was that it wasn't even close. Basically Nash won in a landslide.
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1.Well Nash can win back to back mvp but they didn't want to give one to Kidd when he led a looser team to the finals twice in a row
2. Nash is the most player dickriden in NBA history (Duncan is not far too)
3. Kobe was 3 in 03, 4 in 06 ??? ::) no comment...
4. Nash is on the same level as MJ, Magic, Kareem, Bird, Wilt.... ok ok , I feel sorry for the voters :-X
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I like nash,props to him for winning it back2back
Who votes for the MVP,is it the media and broadcasters and stuff or who?
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cant beleive kobe gave up. that is not mvp material
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He's a great player, and maybe he deserved the two MVP's, but being white definitely helped his cause. Old-school white fans are desperate for something to cheer about in the NBA, most of them have retreated to watching college basketball cause they say it's a "team game".
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He's a great player, and maybe he deserved the two MVP's, but being white definitely helped his cause. Old-school white fans are desperate for something to cheer about in the NBA, most of them have retreated to watching college basketball cause they say it's a "team game".
and because college basketball is more exciting
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He's a great player, and maybe he deserved the two MVP's, but being white definitely helped his cause. Old-school white fans are desperate for something to cheer about in the NBA, most of them have retreated to watching college basketball cause they say it's a "team game".
and because college basketball is more exciting
LMAO. That's 2 consecutive ridiculous comments in 1 thread...
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Congrats to Nash but no way in hell dirk and Lebron should of been ahead of Kobe.
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He's a great player, and maybe he deserved the two MVP's, but being white definitely helped his cause. Old-school white fans are desperate for something to cheer about in the NBA, most of them have retreated to watching college basketball cause they say it's a "team game".
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I also believe college bball is much more fun to watch. No they are not as talented, but in general is much more team oriented. Plus, overall effort is more consistent. These guys are busting their ass to try to get to the next level. They all have something to prove.
There are a handfull of NBA teams that personify those traits, but nowadays the NBA seems to really promote individuals rather than teams. Look at the Pistons - the best team over the last two years, and their first round games are subjected to NBA TV. Bron Bron is featured in Prime Time on the major networks in the first round.
Because of this, the overall quality of the NBA has suffered.
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I also believe college bball is much more fun to watch. No they are not as talented, but in general is much more team oriented. Plus, overall effort is more consistent. These guys are busting their ass to try to get to the next level. They all have something to prove.
There are a handfull of NBA teams that personify those traits, but nowadays the NBA seems to really promote individuals rather than teams. Look at the Pistons - the best team over the last two years, and their first round games are subjected to NBA TV. Bron Bron is featured in Prime Time on the major networks in the first round.
Because of this, the overall quality of the NBA has suffered.
Yes, but NBA action surpasses College action, regardless. A 7 game series has a lot more to it than just 1 game eliminations. There's strategy involved, adjustments, etc. And as I've stated in the past, college players are playing to make it into the NBA, which is the ultimate level, which is also why it is pretty ridiculous to say NCAA is better than NBA...PeACe
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how the fuck is it fun to watch Duke,UCONN,NC beat a team by 20pts every week.How is NCAA better then NBA when the same schools get the MCdonalds all americans over and over and they leave after 1 year?
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how the fuck is it fun to watch Duke,UCONN,NC beat a team by 20pts every week.How is NCAA better then NBA when the same schools get the MCdonalds all americans over and over and they leave after 1 year?
If you attended one of these colleges, you would understand the pride involved in watching your alma mater be successful. Most people that graduated from a prominent college that fielded competitive teams will tell you the same thing. It's a more personal connection. I was born and raised in Cincinnati and all the way up until I went to college I was a rabid fan of the Reds and Bengals. I'm still a big fan of both but have nowhere near the pride when they are successful compared to when my alma mater is successful.
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He's a great player, and maybe he deserved the two MVP's, but being white definitely helped his cause. Old-school white fans are desperate for something to cheer about in the NBA, most of them have retreated to watching college basketball cause they say it's a "team game".
Steven A Smith voted for Nash. And I know black people that rather watch college b-ball b/c its more of team game then the pro's. Your argument is shot to hell Brian.
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how the fuck is it fun to watch Duke,UCONN,NC beat a team by 20pts every week.How is NCAA better then NBA when the same schools get the MCdonalds all americans over and over and they leave after 1 year?
there is a lot more to college bball then just duke, uconn, and unc.
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Charles Barkley also voted for Steve Nash
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i feel nash did deserve the MVP. First a MVP player not only plays amazing on the court but makes the players around him better. Proof that Nash does this is Diaw...i mean Diaw's game is on a whole new level ever since he joined the Suns. Second, after Stuadmier got injured people wrote off the suns thinking they lost one of their key players and would no longer make the playoffs but they won their division and came third in the west. Kobe's an AMAZING player dont get me wrong (although his ego ruins him) but all he really did was take 40 shots a game and put up 50 points a night..thats good and all but no players really improved drasticly like a Diaw. People want kobe to be MVP because no one can stop him but basketball is a TEAM game and Kobe is not a TEAM player. That being said...i cannot wait for my Karma to go down ;D
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I also believe college bball is much more fun to watch. No they are not as talented, but in general is much more team oriented. Plus, overall effort is more consistent. These guys are busting their ass to try to get to the next level. They all have something to prove.
There are a handfull of NBA teams that personify those traits, but nowadays the NBA seems to really promote individuals rather than teams. Look at the Pistons - the best team over the last two years, and their first round games are subjected to NBA TV. Bron Bron is featured in Prime Time on the major networks in the first round.
Because of this, the overall quality of the NBA has suffered.
Yes, but NBA action surpasses College action, regardless. A 7 game series has a lot more to it than just 1 game eliminations. There's strategy involved, adjustments, etc. And as I've stated in the past, college players are playing to make it into the NBA, which is the ultimate level, which is also why it is pretty ridiculous to say NCAA is better than NBA...PeACe
the players arent "better", but it is more exciting to watch. i can watch SOME playoff games every now and then but i can always watch college games. and it must be a pretty rediculous statement to you but pretty much all of my friends prefer to watch college ball over NBA anyday.
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i feel nash did deserve the MVP. First a MVP player not only plays amazing on the court but makes the players around him better. Proof that Nash does this is Diaw...i mean Diaw's game is on a whole new level ever since he joined the Suns. Second, after Stuadmier got injured people wrote off the suns thinking they lost one of their key players and would no longer make the playoffs but they won their division and came third in the west. Kobe's an AMAZING player dont get me wrong (although his ego ruins him) but all he really did was take 40 shots a game and put up 50 points a night..thats good and all but no players really improved drasticly like a Diaw. People want kobe to be MVP because no one can stop him but basketball is a TEAM game and Kobe is not a TEAM player. That being said...i cannot wait for my Karma to go down ;D
Ridiculous. You don't even deserve a response, but for the record, Kobe didn't "really just put up 40 shots and score 50 points a night", he took a team that consists on NBDL players to the playoffs and even brought them to elite status at a point. Diaw would've improved in the Suns system with or without Nash...Nash is an excellent player, don't get me wrong, but he's no 2 time MVP, and we were 1 rebound away from exposing it to the world...PeACe
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I also believe college bball is much more fun to watch. No they are not as talented, but in general is much more team oriented. Plus, overall effort is more consistent. These guys are busting their ass to try to get to the next level. They all have something to prove.
There are a handfull of NBA teams that personify those traits, but nowadays the NBA seems to really promote individuals rather than teams. Look at the Pistons - the best team over the last two years, and their first round games are subjected to NBA TV. Bron Bron is featured in Prime Time on the major networks in the first round.
Because of this, the overall quality of the NBA has suffered.
Yes, but NBA action surpasses College action, regardless. A 7 game series has a lot more to it than just 1 game eliminations. There's strategy involved, adjustments, etc. And as I've stated in the past, college players are playing to make it into the NBA, which is the ultimate level, which is also why it is pretty ridiculous to say NCAA is better than NBA...PeACe
the players arent "better", but it is more exciting to watch. i can watch SOME playoff games every now and then but i can always watch college games. and it must be a pretty rediculous statement to you but pretty much all of my friends prefer to watch college ball over NBA anyday.
How can it be more exciting to watch unless you have a stronger connection with one of the teams? That's the same as saying Honda's are more exciting to watch race than Ferarri's...I mean, which you prefer is a matter of opinion, but you can't claim college ball is "better", cuz that's just ridiculous...PeACe
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i feel nash did deserve the MVP. First a MVP player not only plays amazing on the court but makes the players around him better. Proof that Nash does this is Diaw...i mean Diaw's game is on a whole new level ever since he joined the Suns. Second, after Stuadmier got injured people wrote off the suns thinking they lost one of their key players and would no longer make the playoffs but they won their division and came third in the west. Kobe's an AMAZING player dont get me wrong (although his ego ruins him) but all he really did was take 40 shots a game and put up 50 points a night..thats good and all but no players really improved drasticly like a Diaw. People want kobe to be MVP because no one can stop him but basketball is a TEAM game and Kobe is not a TEAM player. That being said...i cannot wait for my Karma to go down ;D
Ridiculous. You don't even deserve a response, but for the record, Kobe didn't "really just put up 40 shots and score 50 points a night", he took a team that consists on NBDL players to the playoffs and even brought them to elite status at a point. Diaw would've improved in the Suns system with or without Nash...Nash is an excellent player, don't get me wrong, but he's no 2 time MVP, and we were 1 rebound away from exposing it to the world...PeACe
As Scott Skiles once said "Basketball is like Church, many attend, few understand"
I like the way Kobe played during the latter parts of the season & the playoffs (well except i guess the last game of the series). He was sharing the ball, he was like MJ i thought wow Hell has frozen over Phil Jackson has FINALLLY persuaded him
Lakers are better this year not coz of Kobe, part of it can be credited to him, part of it can be creditted to the coaching Pippen & Abdul Jabber did with KObe & Lamar in training camp that made him the all arounder to compliment Kobes scoring as well as getting Kwame Brown & Smush Parker which is a credit to the staff.
But main part is Phil Jackson, after this season no one can deny he is a great coach. Its his teachings & philosophy & PATIENCE that alllowed Kobe to wake up like MJ had to once & see "we arent winning as much when i be selfish, but when i share the ball & get everyone involved like MJ, we win". He also probably kept the other teammates in it coz i bet they lost confidence with Kobe just hoosting up impossible shots when teammates are open for shots.
Basketball is a team sport, & Nash had a new team bar Marion & Barbosa, & he made all of them fit in & work & they had a great record without Amare. The race was close but Nash deserved the MVP a true leader he did career bests in many catergories.
I do think Jason Kidd probably deserved an MVP in 2002 or 2003 as well but he didnt get it.
Just coz Duncan or Nash or whatever isnt as exciting or score as much as Lebron & Kobe & Wade doesnt make them less valueble. People can hate all they want, but they're on winning teams & they get not only themselves but also there teammates in on it. Lebron does too, i hope KObe does continue sharing the balll.....if he can do that & lead the lakers (theyw ill have a better record probably Kwame & Odom should be better, along with Smush Parker) to more wins then he can win it.
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Congrats to Steve Nash
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I also believe college bball is much more fun to watch. No they are not as talented, but in general is much more team oriented. Plus, overall effort is more consistent. These guys are busting their ass to try to get to the next level. They all have something to prove.
There are a handfull of NBA teams that personify those traits, but nowadays the NBA seems to really promote individuals rather than teams. Look at the Pistons - the best team over the last two years, and their first round games are subjected to NBA TV. Bron Bron is featured in Prime Time on the major networks in the first round.
Because of this, the overall quality of the NBA has suffered.
Yes, but NBA action surpasses College action, regardless. A 7 game series has a lot more to it than just 1 game eliminations. There's strategy involved, adjustments, etc. And as I've stated in the past, college players are playing to make it into the NBA, which is the ultimate level, which is also why it is pretty ridiculous to say NCAA is better than NBA...PeACe
the players arent "better", but it is more exciting to watch. i can watch SOME playoff games every now and then but i can always watch college games. and it must be a pretty rediculous statement to you but pretty much all of my friends prefer to watch college ball over NBA anyday.
How can it be more exciting to watch unless you have a stronger connection with one of the teams? That's the same as saying Honda's are more exciting to watch race than Ferarri's...I mean, which you prefer is a matter of opinion, but you can't claim college ball is "better", cuz that's just ridiculous...PeACe
How about Nascar vs the elite cars? The masses now prefer stock cars all built somewhat the same as opposed to the super cars built by McLaren and Ferrari, even though the stock cars aren't as fast or as good. Some people just like it simple. In fact if you look at the TV ratings for the Final Four the ratings are usually just as high and actually a bit higher in recent years than the NBA Finals.
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I also believe college bball is much more fun to watch. No they are not as talented, but in general is much more team oriented. Plus, overall effort is more consistent. These guys are busting their ass to try to get to the next level. They all have something to prove.
There are a handfull of NBA teams that personify those traits, but nowadays the NBA seems to really promote individuals rather than teams. Look at the Pistons - the best team over the last two years, and their first round games are subjected to NBA TV. Bron Bron is featured in Prime Time on the major networks in the first round.
Because of this, the overall quality of the NBA has suffered.
Yes, but NBA action surpasses College action, regardless. A 7 game series has a lot more to it than just 1 game eliminations. There's strategy involved, adjustments, etc. And as I've stated in the past, college players are playing to make it into the NBA, which is the ultimate level, which is also why it is pretty ridiculous to say NCAA is better than NBA...PeACe
the players arent "better", but it is more exciting to watch. i can watch SOME playoff games every now and then but i can always watch college games. and it must be a pretty rediculous statement to you but pretty much all of my friends prefer to watch college ball over NBA anyday.
How can it be more exciting to watch unless you have a stronger connection with one of the teams? That's the same as saying Honda's are more exciting to watch race than Ferarri's...I mean, which you prefer is a matter of opinion, but you can't claim college ball is "better", cuz that's just ridiculous...PeACe
How about Nascar vs the elite cars? The masses now prefer stock cars all built somewhat the same as opposed to the super cars built by McLaren and Ferrari, even though the stock cars aren't as fast or as good. Some people just like it simple. In fact if you look at the TV ratings for the Final Four the ratings are usually just as high and actually a bit higher in recent years than the NBA Finals.
That's because of the following with colleges/college students etc...Think about it, would people rather watch amatures racing or pros racing? No matter what it is, the pros will always be better...NBA is a higher level of competition, people playing in the NCAA are playing so that they can reach that higher level, the ultimate goal...That's why it makes no sense to claim it's "better"...You can say you prefer to watch it, but claiming it's better isn't very rational, now is it?
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I also believe college bball is much more fun to watch. No they are not as talented, but in general is much more team oriented. Plus, overall effort is more consistent. These guys are busting their ass to try to get to the next level. They all have something to prove.
There are a handfull of NBA teams that personify those traits, but nowadays the NBA seems to really promote individuals rather than teams. Look at the Pistons - the best team over the last two years, and their first round games are subjected to NBA TV. Bron Bron is featured in Prime Time on the major networks in the first round.
Because of this, the overall quality of the NBA has suffered.
Yes, but NBA action surpasses College action, regardless. A 7 game series has a lot more to it than just 1 game eliminations. There's strategy involved, adjustments, etc. And as I've stated in the past, college players are playing to make it into the NBA, which is the ultimate level, which is also why it is pretty ridiculous to say NCAA is better than NBA...PeACe
the players arent "better", but it is more exciting to watch. i can watch SOME playoff games every now and then but i can always watch college games. and it must be a pretty rediculous statement to you but pretty much all of my friends prefer to watch college ball over NBA anyday.
How can it be more exciting to watch unless you have a stronger connection with one of the teams? That's the same as saying Honda's are more exciting to watch race than Ferarri's...I mean, which you prefer is a matter of opinion, but you can't claim college ball is "better", cuz that's just ridiculous...PeACe
your right the players in college arent better then the players in the nba that is really a no brainer. maybe your right though. being raised in tucson my whole life i have been a UA fan for a long time. shit i follow them religously and even follow the recruiting process. lol. its jsut a matter of preferance but i find college ball more exciting then pro ball.
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I also believe college bball is much more fun to watch. No they are not as talented, but in general is much more team oriented. Plus, overall effort is more consistent. These guys are busting their ass to try to get to the next level. They all have something to prove.
There are a handfull of NBA teams that personify those traits, but nowadays the NBA seems to really promote individuals rather than teams. Look at the Pistons - the best team over the last two years, and their first round games are subjected to NBA TV. Bron Bron is featured in Prime Time on the major networks in the first round.
Because of this, the overall quality of the NBA has suffered.
Yes, but NBA action surpasses College action, regardless. A 7 game series has a lot more to it than just 1 game eliminations. There's strategy involved, adjustments, etc. And as I've stated in the past, college players are playing to make it into the NBA, which is the ultimate level, which is also why it is pretty ridiculous to say NCAA is better than NBA...PeACe
the players arent "better", but it is more exciting to watch. i can watch SOME playoff games every now and then but i can always watch college games. and it must be a pretty rediculous statement to you but pretty much all of my friends prefer to watch college ball over NBA anyday.
How can it be more exciting to watch unless you have a stronger connection with one of the teams? That's the same as saying Honda's are more exciting to watch race than Ferarri's...I mean, which you prefer is a matter of opinion, but you can't claim college ball is "better", cuz that's just ridiculous...PeACe
your right the players in college arent better then the players in the nba that is really a no brainer. maybe your right though. being raised in tucson my whole life i have been a UA fan for a long time. shit i follow them religously and even follow the recruiting process. lol. its jsut a matter of preferance but i find college ball more exciting then pro ball.
There you go...I bet if you grew up a Miami Heat fan, you'd enjoy watching them the most...It comes down to a matter of opinion, but claiming a lower level is better than a higher level is not really gunna cut it...PeACe
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I also believe college bball is much more fun to watch. No they are not as talented, but in general is much more team oriented. Plus, overall effort is more consistent. These guys are busting their ass to try to get to the next level. They all have something to prove.
There are a handfull of NBA teams that personify those traits, but nowadays the NBA seems to really promote individuals rather than teams. Look at the Pistons - the best team over the last two years, and their first round games are subjected to NBA TV. Bron Bron is featured in Prime Time on the major networks in the first round.
Because of this, the overall quality of the NBA has suffered.
Yes, but NBA action surpasses College action, regardless. A 7 game series has a lot more to it than just 1 game eliminations. There's strategy involved, adjustments, etc. And as I've stated in the past, college players are playing to make it into the NBA, which is the ultimate level, which is also why it is pretty ridiculous to say NCAA is better than NBA...PeACe
the players arent "better", but it is more exciting to watch. i can watch SOME playoff games every now and then but i can always watch college games. and it must be a pretty rediculous statement to you but pretty much all of my friends prefer to watch college ball over NBA anyday.
How can it be more exciting to watch unless you have a stronger connection with one of the teams? That's the same as saying Honda's are more exciting to watch race than Ferarri's...I mean, which you prefer is a matter of opinion, but you can't claim college ball is "better", cuz that's just ridiculous...PeACe
your right the players in college arent better then the players in the nba that is really a no brainer. maybe your right though. being raised in tucson my whole life i have been a UA fan for a long time. shit i follow them religously and even follow the recruiting process. lol. its jsut a matter of preferance but i find college ball more exciting then pro ball.
There you go...I bet if you grew up a Miami Heat fan, you'd enjoy watching them the most...It comes down to a matter of opinion, but claiming a lower level is better than a higher level is not really gunna cut it...PeACe
i hear ya but i dont think i ever claimed that
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I also believe college bball is much more fun to watch. No they are not as talented, but in general is much more team oriented. Plus, overall effort is more consistent. These guys are busting their ass to try to get to the next level. They all have something to prove.
There are a handfull of NBA teams that personify those traits, but nowadays the NBA seems to really promote individuals rather than teams. Look at the Pistons - the best team over the last two years, and their first round games are subjected to NBA TV. Bron Bron is featured in Prime Time on the major networks in the first round.
Because of this, the overall quality of the NBA has suffered.
Yes, but NBA action surpasses College action, regardless. A 7 game series has a lot more to it than just 1 game eliminations. There's strategy involved, adjustments, etc. And as I've stated in the past, college players are playing to make it into the NBA, which is the ultimate level, which is also why it is pretty ridiculous to say NCAA is better than NBA...PeACe
the players arent "better", but it is more exciting to watch. i can watch SOME playoff games every now and then but i can always watch college games. and it must be a pretty rediculous statement to you but pretty much all of my friends prefer to watch college ball over NBA anyday.
How can it be more exciting to watch unless you have a stronger connection with one of the teams? That's the same as saying Honda's are more exciting to watch race than Ferarri's...I mean, which you prefer is a matter of opinion, but you can't claim college ball is "better", cuz that's just ridiculous...PeACe
your right the players in college arent better then the players in the nba that is really a no brainer. maybe your right though. being raised in tucson my whole life i have been a UA fan for a long time. shit i follow them religously and even follow the recruiting process. lol. its jsut a matter of preferance but i find college ball more exciting then pro ball.
There you go...I bet if you grew up a Miami Heat fan, you'd enjoy watching them the most...It comes down to a matter of opinion, but claiming a lower level is better than a higher level is not really gunna cut it...PeACe
i hear ya but i dont think i ever claimed that
It probably wasn't you, but I heard it before...Anyways, back to the (sad) topic. Nash will be known as the back-to-back MVP who never won a championship. :-X. Is he really up there with the likes of Magic, Bird, Jordan, Wilt, etc.? I don't think so and neither do any of you... :-\
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They play a team game in college, they actually play defense in college (yes nik im fully aware some teams in the pros play defense to) that is why more people are starting to watch college bball then the pros. No one said that college bball players are better then the pros. They just perfer to watch a team game over a me-me-me type of game.
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And wheres the self hating white boy brian.... i want to see what he says about barkley and smith voiting for nash... are they some uncle tom house niggas
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They play a team game in college, they actually play defense in college (yes nik im fully aware some teams in the pros play defense to) that is why more people are starting to watch college bball then the pros. No one said that college bball players are better then the pros. They just perfer to watch a team game over a me-me-me type of game.
Dude, if a team isn't playing a team game in the NBA playoffs, they don't belong there. Even college has its individual stars (Adam Morrison, Joakim Noah, Jordan Farmar) they just don't get marketed like they do in the NBA...The level of competition is higher in the NBA playoffs as well, because there is much more strategy involved with getting to know the opponent and making adjustments etc...Take coaches who've had huge success in the NCAA but can't quite cut it in the NBA as an example...Not saying NCAA isn't interesting, I follow March Madness, it's just that it's really uncomparable to the next level...PeACe
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And wheres the self hating white boy brian.... i want to see what he says about barkley and smith voiting for nash... are they some uncle tom house niggas
Barkley is a Suns fan... ::)
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And wheres the self hating white boy brian.... i want to see what he says about barkley and smith voiting for nash... are they some uncle tom house niggas
Barkley is a Suns fan... ::)
hes still a black man, he sold his soul to the devil voting for a white boy regardless if he plays for the suns. Also what about steven a smith, he voted for nash also, whats his excuse. Is he a just a dark skinned italian ?
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And wheres the self hating white boy brian.... i want to see what he says about barkley and smith voiting for nash... are they some uncle tom house niggas
Barkley is a Suns fan... ::)
hes still a black man, he sold his soul to the devil voting for a white boy regardless if he plays for the suns. Also what about steven a smith, he voted for nash also, whats his excuse. Is he a just a dark skinned italian ?
First of all, I don't think he won it because he was white...The MVP has become a popularity contest of the journalists, it's a joke nowadays. Steven A. Smith is also known for disliking Kobe, along with many other media personnels. I dunno what being white has to do with it, but that does bring up a good point. Would he be this popular if he was black? Jason Kidd in '02 did way more for the Nets, and he didn't win it...Infinite may have a point. But either way, Nash doesn't deserve it...PeACe
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Who cares if Steven A Smith or Chuck Barkley dont like Kobe....Kobe wasnt even close.....Read the order again it went 1. Nash, 2. LeBron, & 3. Dirk so Kobe got some charity votes basically but he wasnt even close to winning.
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Who cares if Steven A Smith or Chuck Barkley dont like Kobe....Kobe wasnt even close.....Read the order again it went 1. Nash, 2. LeBron, & 3. Dirk so Kobe got some charity votes basically but he wasnt even close to winning.
That's why people are claiming it's ridiculous...He got 22 first place votes (the second most) and only 11 second place votes (the least). 23 voters didn't even put him on their ballot in the top 5! That's why people say the MVP award is a joke nowadays, Kobe put forth the most spectacular season since Jordan in '86-'87...MVP does not equal Steve Nash. Ask the players...PeACe
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I dont here anyone crying about the lack of votes for kobe except laker fans
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I dont here anyone crying about the lack of votes for kobe except laker fans
Why would anyone else cry? LMAO...Unless they WERE fans, they don't really give a fuck, so it wouldn't make sense for them to complain about it. On top of that, I've read NUMEROUS articles dismissing the MVP award as a joke...PeACe
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Who cares if Steven A Smith or Chuck Barkley dont like Kobe....Kobe wasnt even close.....Read the order again it went 1. Nash, 2. LeBron, & 3. Dirk so Kobe got some charity votes basically but he wasnt even close to winning.
That's why people are claiming it's ridiculous...He got 22 first place votes (the second most) and only 11 second place votes (the least). 23 voters didn't even put him on their ballot in the top 5! That's why people say the MVP award is a joke nowadays, Kobe put forth the most spectacular season since Jordan in '86-'87...MVP does not equal Steve Nash. Ask the players...PeACe
wahhhh wahhhh stop crying. You still havent responded to what i said so read above. Nash is the MVP because he made his team better & without him his team wouldnt be in the playoffs. Same could be said for Kobe but Kobe wasnt a team player most of the season & his team squeezed into the playoffs they didnt finish 2nd in teh west like Nash did to Phoenix
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Who cares if Steven A Smith or Chuck Barkley dont like Kobe....Kobe wasnt even close.....Read the order again it went 1. Nash, 2. LeBron, & 3. Dirk so Kobe got some charity votes basically but he wasnt even close to winning.
That's why people are claiming it's ridiculous...He got 22 first place votes (the second most) and only 11 second place votes (the least). 23 voters didn't even put him on their ballot in the top 5! That's why people say the MVP award is a joke nowadays, Kobe put forth the most spectacular season since Jordan in '86-'87...MVP does not equal Steve Nash. Ask the players...PeACe
wahhhh wahhhh stop crying. You still havent responded to what i said so read above. Nash is the MVP because he made his team better & without him his team wouldnt be in the playoffs. Same could be said for Kobe but Kobe wasnt a team player most of the season & his team squeezed into the playoffs they didnt finish 2nd in teh west like Nash did to Phoenix
Are you fuckin' kidding me? You have no argument. Kobe doesn't have a supporting cast like Nash. Hell, people were giving Shawn Marion votes for MVP. You have no clue what you're talking about, Nash playing with these Lakers instead of Kobe would easily be the worst team in the league... 10 years down the line, what do you think people will remember. Steve Nash? Or Kobe averaging 35 a game, hitting 81, 62 in 3 quarters. Hell, even the development of Kwame Brown, Lamar Odom, and Luke Walton should be credited to Kobe...A lot of journalist simply didn't wanna see Kobe win it, no matter how amazing and remarkable his season was. Those journalists made sure he wouldn't win by not even placing him on their ballot (can you honestly tell me that's not a joke)...Why do you think he got so many first place votes and barely any votes in 2nd place? It's laughable, and Nash has helped expose this award as a joke...Back-2-Back MVP? That puts him in a class with Magic, Jordan, Bird, Wilt, etc...ANYONE will tell you Steve Nash should not be mentioned anywhere near those names...Like I said, the MVP award has become a popularity contest, and it's just sad to see...PeACe
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Nash playing with these Lakers instead of Kobe would easily be the worst team in the league...
Like I said yesterday, imo KObe Bryant is this year MVP...
But you must be joking man, if Steve Nash was a Lakers with the current team they got (without Kobe) they would had make the playoffs and probly in a better seed than 7.
The Suns are as bad as the Lakers if you look at this year roster...
Steve Nash
Raja Bell
Shawn Marion
Tim Thomas/James Jones
Boris Diaw
This line-up is strickly garbage... They finished second in the West wihtout Amare (who is consider as one of the top 3 PF in the L).
There a better team because of Nash no doubt about it, he makes everything happen on the floor. Marion is a real good player but he is comparable to Odom. Your always the first to say that Kwame is not garbage, so to you Kwame is a good PF/C... Except for Marion (who is undersize) I don't see no good PF/C in the actual Suns roster.
Oh i forgot how good was Tim Thomas, James Jones and Raja Bell ::)
If Steve Nash was a Lakers, Odom would be an All-Star, Luke Walton would be a dangerous spot-up 3 points shooter and Kwame Brown would be this year MIP...
If Kobe was a Suns, he would had scored an 81 points game, Shawn Marion would have had an up and down season and Tim Thomas wouldn't had got no shine (just like Jim Jackson did).
Oh... And the Lakers would be playing in the second round tomorow night
Stop living in your dreams... And give Steve Nash his due...
Before him, the Suns suck hard... And since is there, they are contenders... Serious contenders
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Nash playing with these Lakers instead of Kobe would easily be the worst team in the league...
Like I said yesterday, imo KObe Bryant is this year MVP...
But you must be joking man, if Steve Nash was a Lakers with the current team they got (without Kobe) they would had make the playoffs and probly in a better seed than 7.
The Suns are as bad as the Lakers if you look at this year roster...
Steve Nash
Raja Bell
Shawn Marion
Tim Thomas/James Jones
Boris Diaw
This line-up is strickly garbage... They finished second in the West wihtout Amare (who is consider as one of the top 3 PF in the L).
There a better team because of Nash no doubt about it, he makes everything happen on the floor. Marion is a real good player but he is comparable to Odom. Your always the first to say that Kwame is not garbage, so to you Kwame is a good PF/C... Except for Marion (who is undersize) I don't see no good PF/C in the actual Suns roster.
Oh i forgot how good was Tim Thomas, James Jones and Raja Bell ::)
If Steve Nash was a Lakers, Odom would be an All-Star, Luke Walton would be a dangerous spot-up 3 points shooter and Kwame Brown would be this year MIP...
If Kobe was a Suns, he would had scored an 81 points game, Shawn Marion would have had an up and down season and Tim Thomas wouldn't had got no shine (just like Jim Jackson did).
Oh... And the Lakers would be playing in the second round tomorow night
Stop living in your dreams... And give Steve Nash his due...
Before him, the Suns suck hard... And since is there, they are contenders... Serious contenders
LMFAO!!! I'm sorry, but you have no basketball knowledge whatsoever. You are hilarious, Steve Nash would be fuckin' lost as hell in the triangle, the only success that team has is because the system they're running...The line-up you posted is FAR from garbage, the Suns have confident players, experienced players, and a lot of upside...Luke Walton would be a dangerous spot up 3 point shooter? LMFAOOOOOOOOO!!! Sorry man, but are you sure you're not watching hockey? Nash wouldn't be doing shit with these Lakers, they'd easily be the worst team in the league, look at what he did in Dallas with GREAT players besides him. JACK SHIT. The Suns have turned around ever since Mike D'Antonio came and implamented the run-n-gun pick & roll offense, not because of Nash...LOL. Like I said, Marion was getting MVP nominations this year...Odom wasn't even getting all-star considerations...You have no clue what you're talking about, and it's hard to argue with someone that claims the Lakers would be in a better position this year had Nash taken over for Kobe...That is the definition of ludicrous...PeACe
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Steve Nash was an All-Star when he was in Dallas...
He cannot score as much as Kobe, he cannot defend as good as Kobe... But the only things he could do better then Kobe is make other players better and take better desicions with the ball in his hands.
You gotta point by saying Nash wouldn't be as effective as he is right now if he was running the triangle... But think about it, now after 2 MVP award and 2 very good seasons (wins/loss) who is the dumb coach who wouldn't allow Nash to run the floor and take early shots???? Certainly not Phil Jackson.
He's, with Jason Kidd and Chris Paul, the only player in the league right now who can actually turn a bad team (roster wise) into a good team. The Lakers are actually a so so team... He can fit right in imo.
The Suns are 2-8 without Nash since he return to Phoenix... This isn't just the systeme, he's an awsome player that would make any team in the leaugue better than they are right now (except for the Spurs and Piston who already got the best team they can).
On the opposite, Kobe would be lost in the run and gun systeme like the Suns cause he got a big tendancy to take bad shots... Imagine if he's allowed to!!!!!!!
You should just sit back for a while and re-think your way of idolizing the Lakers and hating on all the rest of the League... Kobe is the most dominant player (individually) in the league (by far), but he couldn't do half of the things Nash do with a team like the Suns (without Amare of course), he would still put up very big numbers... But they will never ever finished 2nd in the West like they did this year...
OPEN YOUR EYES AND STOP BEING SUCH A BITCH WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR SORRY ASS LAKERS!!!!!!!
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Steve Nash was an All-Star when he was in Dallas...
He cannot score as much as Kobe, he cannot defend as good as Kobe... But the only things he could do better then Kobe is make other players better and take better desicions with the ball in his hands.
You gotta point by saying Nash wouldn't be as effective as he is right now if he was running the triangle... But think about it, now after 2 MVP award and 2 very good seasons (wins/loss) who is the dumb coach who wouldn't allow Nash to run the floor and take early shots???? Certainly not Phil Jackson.
He's, with Jason Kidd and Chris Paul, the only player in the league right now who can actually turn a bad team (roster wise) into a good team. The Lakers are actually a so so team... He can fit right in imo.
The Suns are 2-8 without Nash since he return to Phoenix... This isn't just the systeme, he's an awsome player that would make any team in the leaugue better than they are right now (except for the Spurs and Piston who already got the best team they can).
On the opposite, Kobe would be lost in the run and gun systeme like the Suns cause he got a big tendancy to take bad shots... Imagine if he's allowed to!!!!!!!
You should just sit back for a while and re-think your way of idolizing the Lakers and hating on all the rest of the League... Kobe is the most dominant player (individually) in the league (by far), but he couldn't do half of the things Nash do with a team like the Suns (without Amare of course), he would still put up very big numbers... But they will never ever finished 2nd in the West like they did this year...
OPEN YOUR EYES AND STOP BEING SUCH A BITCH WHEN IT COMES TO YOUR SORRY ASS LAKERS!!!!!!!
I'm sorry, but you're just way out of line man...It's hard to argue sense into someone who actually thinks the Lakers would be better with Nash instead of Kobe. Nash was an all-star in Dallas, but he wasn't even the most valuable player of his team...Look at how Dallas is better without Nash. Do you think that can ever happen with Kobe? Nash is in a perfect system, a system which Luke Ridnour would flourish in and have success in. Marion, Barbosa, Thomas, Diaw, Bell, Jones, etc. hitting their open shots in the open court is a key to the success in their system. Lakers don't have players like that who can stretch the court and hit open shots on command. Lakers are a half-court team, which is why to claim that Nash on the Lakers instead of Kobe would be better is beyond ludicrous. Phil Jackson would never allow a system like they run in Phoenix to fly with his team. It is an amature system which will ALWAYS fail in the playoffs. Phil is WAY above that...That also brings me to the fact that you have no basketball knowledge. So by me sitting here and debating with you, I'm really not getting anything accomplished...But I'll keep doing it, in hopes that maybe you'll learn something. Nash is the only player (along with Jason Kidd and Chris Paul) who can turn a bad roster into a good team? LMAO. Dude, look at the Lakers minus Kobe. They're worse than the Hawks, are you insane? I've seen people defend Nash, but come on now, this is TOO MUCH. Kobe and Marion would be an elite combo, and would definitely make noise in the west...You are confusing the system the Suns run for an actual player (Steve Nash)...It's not gunna work that way, you have no valid points...PeACe
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It is an amature system which will ALWAYS fail in the playoffs. Phil is WAY above that...
Sorry to remind you that this year Phil's wasn't way above that...
Kobe and Marion would be an elite combo, and would definitely make noise in the west...
Did you just wrote Kobe and combo in the same sentence???
The only duo Kobe can be a part of, is Shaq and Kobe cause back then Shaq was more dominant then Kobe... Now that Kobe is the more dominant player in the game there's no way he can be part of a combo...
Now look :
Shawn Marion first round stats
PPG : 18.1
RPG : 9.4
APG : 1.7
Lamar Odom first round stats
PPG : 19.1
RPG : 11.1
APG : 4.9
Kobe Bryant an explosive duo with Marion ????
He ain't even an explosive dou with Odom who put up better stats than Marion during the Playoffs...
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Sorry to remind you that this year Phil's wasn't way above that...
Yes...He was. You just don't understand strategy in basketball, so you wouldn't see it. Phil knew how to stop the Suns, in fact, he did. Phil's strategy was great, his players just couldn't follow through for 7 games...D'Antonio was outcoached, he was just lucky he got to face such an inexperienced team.
Did you just wrote Kobe and combo in the same sentence???
The only duo Kobe can be a part of, is Shaq and Kobe cause back then Shaq was more dominant then Kobe... Now that Kobe is the more dominant player in the game there's no way he can be part of a combo...
Now look :
Shawn Marion first round stats
PPG : 18.1
RPG : 9.4
APG : 1.7
Lamar Odom first round stats
PPG : 19.1
RPG : 11.1
APG : 4.9
Kobe Bryant an explosive duo with Marion ????
He ain't even an explosive dou with Odom who put up better stats than Marion during the Playoffs...
Horrible comparison...Marion was consistant all season long and had a WAYYYYYYY better season than Odom. Odom was inconsistant for the majority of the season and only came into his own at the end and in the playoffs...Marion, on the other hand, was considered an MVP candidate by some. On top of that, Kobe and Odom WERE a dynamic duo when they played together at full potential (see games 2, 3, 4)...LMAO@there's no way Kobe can be part of a combo...You are just too much man. :-X
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im not a big Nash fan, but i cant really argue the decision. The guy is a great leader on the floor. I think these things usually tend to sway in the favor of players who are great "leaders". Not necessarily the most physically talented. I like Dirks game, but i wouldnt have put him above Kobe. Lebron and Kobe i have even for the year really.
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^^ off-topic, but necessary: Duncan & Ginobili = posterchildren of NBA authorities
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First thing first : a combo isn't a combination of a team 2 leading scorers... At least a great combo isn't that.
A great combo (imo), is 2 players playing well with each other and helping a team win games... Wich Kobe and Lamar didn't do (except for game 2, 3, 4).
LMAO@there's no way Kobe can be part of a combo...You are just too much man.
So my point is, if during an 82 games season, Kobe and Lamar play only 20-25 games well with each other they ain't a good combo...
That's what bring me to my other point... Kobe an Marion would be the exact same type of "combo" that Odom and Kobe are.
Once again :
Season stats
Shawn Marion
PPG : 21.8
RPG : 11.8
APG : 1.8
Lamar Odom
PPG : 14.8
RPG : 9.2
APG : 5.5
Those players are nearly the same... Tall guard, with a lot of skills, great shooting (a lil bit better for Marion), great rebounding abilities and a good court vision (a lil bit better for Odom). The only reason Marion got more PPG, is the fact that he got a lot more touches and the fact that he ain't playing with a 34PPG player.
So now why Nash/Marion are consider a better combo, cause Steve Nash make Marion better and vice-versa...
And why Marion get MVP recgognition and not Odom cause Odom play with Kobe...
Before Nash arrived in Pheonix Marion was not a better Player then Lamar...
D'Antonio was outcoached, he was just lucky he got to face such an inexperienced team.
Phil Jackson did a really great job... But D'Antoni made some adjustements and Phil keep his ass sit on the beach in the 3 last game...
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First thing first : a combo isn't a combination of a team 2 leading scorers... At least a great combo isn't that.
A great combo (imo), is 2 players playing well with each other and helping a team win games... Wich Kobe and Lamar didn't do (except for game 2, 3, 4).
LMAO@there's no way Kobe can be part of a combo...You are just too much man.
So my point is, if during an 82 games season, Kobe and Lamar play only 20-25 games well with each other they ain't a good combo...
That's what bring me to my other point... Kobe an Marion would be the exact same type of "combo" that Odom and Kobe are.
Once again :
Season stats
Shawn Marion
PPG : 21.8
RPG : 11.8
APG : 1.8
Lamar Odom
PPG : 14.8
RPG : 9.2
APG : 5.5
Those players are nearly the same... Tall guard, with a lot of skills, great shooting (a lil bit better for Marion), great rebounding abilities and a good court vision (a lil bit better for Odom). The only reason Marion got more PPG, is the fact that he got a lot more touches and the fact that he ain't playing with a 34PPG player.
So now why Nash/Marion are consider a better combo, cause Steve Nash make Marion better and vice-versa...
And why Marion get MVP recgognition and not Odom cause Odom play with Kobe...
Before Nash arrived in Pheonix Marion was not a better Player then Lamar...
D'Antonio was outcoached, he was just lucky he got to face such an inexperienced team.
Phil Jackson did a really great job... But D'Antoni made some adjustements and Phil keep his ass sit on the beach in the 3 last game...
LMAO!!! What are you even saying man? Lamar wasn't aggressive offensivley because he's inconsistant, he's been that way practically his whole career, he underachieves...Has nothing to do with Kobe, the whole coaching staff was trying to get Odom to be more aggressive and take the lead more...He finally did in the final 20 games or so, and he and Kobe proved they can be an EXCELLENT combo...As for "before Nash arrived in Pheonix Marion was not a better player then Lamar"...LMFAO!!!!
Marion '02-'03:
21.2 PPG (45% FG 39% 3FG 85% FT)
9.5 RPG
2.4 APG
2.28 SPG
1.17 BPG
1.94 TO
Odom '02-'03:
14.6 PPG (44% FG, 32% 3FG, 77% FT)
6.7 RPG
3.6 APG
.86 SPG
.84 BPG
2.86 TO
You see that shit? It ain't Superman, it's your "Nash is making everyone better and Kobe is making everyone worse" theory flyin' out the window...Dude, honestly, do you even watch basketball? :-[
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Marion '02-'03:
21.2 PPG (45% FG 39% 3FG 85% FT)
9.5 RPG
2.4 APG
2.28 SPG
1.17 BPG
1.94 TO
Odom '02-'03:
14.6 PPG (44% FG, 32% 3FG, 77% FT)
6.7 RPG
3.6 APG
.86 SPG
.84 BPG
2.86 TO
Btw Nash arrived in Pheonix in 04-05...
Again
Marion 03-04
19.0 PPG
9.3 RPG
2.7 APG
2.1 SPG
1.3 BPG
1.9 TO
Odom 03-04 (Heat)
17.1 PPG
9.7 RPG
4.1 APG
1.6 SPG
0.9 BPG
2.9 TO
Pretty much the same what do you think ;D
Do yo follow basket ball at all????????????
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^^ off-topic, but necessary: Duncan & Ginobili = posterchildren of NBA authorities
I gotta agree
But the Spurs are a lot more then a combo...
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Marion '02-'03:
21.2 PPG (45% FG 39% 3FG 85% FT)
9.5 RPG
2.4 APG
2.28 SPG
1.17 BPG
1.94 TO
Odom '02-'03:
14.6 PPG (44% FG, 32% 3FG, 77% FT)
6.7 RPG
3.6 APG
.86 SPG
.84 BPG
2.86 TO
Btw Nash arrived in Pheonix in 04-05...
Again
Marion 03-04
19.0 PPG
9.3 RPG
2.7 APG
2.1 SPG
1.3 BPG
1.9 TO
Odom 03-04 (Heat)
17.1 PPG
9.7 RPG
4.1 APG
1.6 SPG
0.9 BPG
2.9 TO
Pretty much the same what do you think ;D
Do yo follow basket ball at all????????????
I'm sorry, but you were implying that Marion got MVP considerations because of Nash, when I just proved that Marion was just as good before Nash arrived. Odom played far better than he ever did alongside Kobe in the 2nd half of this season...Yes, I follow basketball, but obviously you don't...PeACe
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I'm sorry, but you were implying that Marion got MVP considerations because of Nash, when I just proved that Marion was just as good before Nash arrived.
Did Marion get MVP consideration before Nash arrived ???????
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I'm sorry, but you were implying that Marion got MVP considerations because of Nash, when I just proved that Marion was just as good before Nash arrived.
Did Marion get MVP consideration before Nash arrived ???????
No, but he was already a 2 time all-star...What was Lamar? Point- 8) -Proven.
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Point- 8) -Proven
LOL
An All-Star Team is 12 players, that mean maximum 3 player for a position... If Lamar was not selected to an All-Star Game that doesn't mean he was not good. And I didn't said that Marion and Odom were exactly the same player... I said their game were comparable...
I garantee you that if Odom was playing with Nash for the last 2 years, he would have been an All-Star...
It's incredible how you get people to hate the Lakers, I was actually loving them before talking with you :)...
Btw, they said it best yeterday on my local sports network : the MVP voters don't vote for Kobe for the one and only reason that he represent individual effort in a team game... I think that suck (cause Kobe got an enormous season and he deserved MVP), but it's true at the same time... Cause if you don't look at the team aspect of the player every good individual player should be consider even if they play for poor team (Paul Pierce, Allen Iverson, Chris Bosh, etc)...
I hope you'll stop hating when the Suns are going the be in the conference final, after they beat the entire LA city...
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Point- 8) -Proven
LOL
An All-Star Team is 12 players, that mean maximum 3 player for a position... If Lamar was not selected to an All-Star Game that doesn't mean he was not good. And I didn't said that Marion and Odom were exactly the same player... I said their game were comparable...
I garantee you that if Odom was playing with Nash for the last 2 years, he would have been an All-Star...
How can you gaurantee that? I gaurantee that Odom (of the past) would underachieve on any team he played...That's just the way his mind worked...And Odom plays best with the ball in his hand, he's not a spot up shooter like everyone on the Suns... ::)
It's incredible how you get people to hate the Lakers, I was actually loving them before talking with you :)...
Then you have an extremely weak mind...
Btw, they said it best yeterday on my local sports network : the MVP voters don't vote for Kobe for the one and only reason that he represent individual effort in a team game... I think that suck (cause Kobe got an enormous season and he deserved MVP), but it's true at the same time... Cause if you don't look at the team aspect of the player every good individual player should be consider even if they play for poor team (Paul Pierce, Allen Iverson, Chris Bosh, etc)...
I hope you'll stop hating when the Suns are going the be in the conference final, after they beat the entire LA city...
MORON...How can you even compare Paul Pierce and Chris Bosh this season to Kobe? LMAO...Kobe isn't an individual player, that's the biggest load of media bullshit I've ever heard...If he's so much of an individual player, how did he get a team of NBDL players to make the playoffs and even take a 3-1 lead with a team-game over an "elite" team? Kobe is a true leader in every sense of the word...Only haters or people who don't actually watch him on the court say otherwise... :-*
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How can you even compare Paul Pierce and Chris Bosh this season to Kobe?
Cause they are the leading scorer and the leader of their respective team... Paul Pierce and Chris Bosh did as much for their team as Kobe did for the Lakers... It's just a matter of a couple PPG.
Then you have an extremely weak mind...
Oh I forgot how incredibily intelligent you were ::)
LMFAO
If he's so much of an individual player, how did he get a team of NBDL players to make the playoffs
Cause he's the most dominant player un the game right now...
Speaking of getting a team of NBDL players to make the playoffs... What about Steve Nash... Oh and wait, they finished second i guess 8)...
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How can you even compare Paul Pierce and Chris Bosh this season to Kobe?
Cause they are the leading scorer and the leader of their respective team... Paul Pierce and Chris Bosh did as much for their team as Kobe did for the Lakers... It's just a matter of a couple PPG.
^^LMFAOOOOO!!! THIS IS BECOMING A NEW THREAD!! Way too hilarious not to...
Oh I forgot how incredibily intelligent you were ::)
What does a weak mind have to do with intelligence, you dumbfuck?
Cause he's the most dominant player un the game right now...
Speaking of getting a team of NBDL players to make the playoffs... What about Steve Nash... Oh and wait, they finished second i guess 8)...
LMAO! How are the Suns an NBDL team? Tim Thomas, Shawn Marion, Raja Bell, Leandro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, etc. are all established NBA players...LMFAO, you are just too much...
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Tim Thomas, Shawn Marion, Raja Bell, Leandro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, etc. are all established NBA players..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Ok for Shawn Marion
Tim Thomas bounce from team to team and only got 2-3 "good" season in his career (02-03 and 03-04)
Raja Bell is an ex CBA and euro-league player... He never start more 32 games in a season before this year...
Leandro Barbosa is an international player whit not a lot of experience, he only start 17 games since Nash arrived.
Boris Diaw is another international player who never scored more than 5.0PPG before this year.
On the other hand
Kwame Brown is a former first pick... He played consistant minutes since he arrived in the league 5 years ago...
Deavean George won three NBA championships, he played 75 playoffs games and start 26 of them...
Luke Walton is not very experimented... But he at least got 24 playoffs games under his belt (that's 3 times more than Diaw and 4 more than Barbosa)
Brian Cook is another young player who played at least 20 playoffs games...
If the Lakers are an NBDL team, then the Suns are what????????? WNBA????????
Just be partial please 8)
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Tim Thomas, Shawn Marion, Raja Bell, Leandro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, etc. are all established NBA players..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Ok for Shawn Marion
Tim Thomas bounce from team to team and only got 2-3 "good" season in his career (02-03 and 03-04)
Raja Bell is an ex CBA and euro-league player... He never start more 32 games in a season before this year...
Leandro Barbosa
Are you kidding me? Tim Thomas has career averages of 12 points a game in 9 seasons and 13.2 points a game in 42 playoff games!!!!...YOU ARE OUT OF IT! Raja Bell was almost just as good last year on Utah with an average of 12.3 points a game!!! That's NOT EVEN CLOSE to an NBDL player...Leandro Barbos was an exceptional rookie in 03-04 averaging 8 points a game, and his stats actually subsided when Nash first arrived!!...You have no arguments man...You're getting shitted on left and right...I doubt you watch basketball...PeACe
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Tim Thomas, Shawn Marion, Raja Bell, Leandro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, etc. are all established NBA players..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Ok for Shawn Marion
Tim Thomas bounce from team to team and only got 2-3 "good" season in his career (02-03 and 03-04)
Raja Bell is an ex CBA and euro-league player... He never start more 32 games in a season before this year...
Leandro Barbosa is an international player whit not a lot of experience, he only start 17 games since Nash arrived.
Boris Diaw is another international player who never scored more than 5.0PPG before this year.
On the other hand
Kwame Brown is a former first pick... He played consistant minutes since he arrived in the league 5 years ago...
Deavean George won three NBA championships, he played 75 playoffs games and start 26 of them...
Luke Walton is not very experimented... But he at least got 24 playoffs games under his belt (that's 3 times more than Diaw and 4 more than Barbosa)
Brian Cook is another young player who played at least 20 playoffs games...
If the Lakers are an NBDL team, then the Suns are what??? WNBA??
Just be partial please
Sorry i just click on post too early...
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Tim Thomas, Shawn Marion, Raja Bell, Leandro Barbosa, Boris Diaw, etc. are all established NBA players..
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
Ok for Shawn Marion
Tim Thomas bounce from team to team and only got 2-3 "good" season in his career (02-03 and 03-04)
Raja Bell is an ex CBA and euro-league player... He never start more 32 games in a season before this year...
Leandro Barbosa is an international player whit not a lot of experience, he only start 17 games since Nash arrived.
Boris Diaw is another international player who never scored more than 5.0PPG before this year.
On the other hand
Kwame Brown is a former first pick... He played consistant minutes since he arrived in the league 5 years ago...
Deavean George won three NBA championships, he played 75 playoffs games and start 26 of them...
Luke Walton is not very experimented... But he at least got 24 playoffs games under his belt (that's 3 times more than Diaw and 4 more than Barbosa)
Brian Cook is another young player who played at least 20 playoffs games...
If the Lakers are an NBDL team, then the Suns are what??? WNBA??
Just be partial please
Sorry i just click on post too early...
DUDEEEEE. WTF ARE YOU SAYING? I just porved you wrong and you came back and said the same thing...
Tim Thomas only had 2-3 good seasons in his career? TIM THOMAS ONLY HAD 1 SEASON IN 9 YEARS WHERE HE AVERAGED UNDER 10 POINTS A GAME! = Established NBA Player.
Raja Bell is a good CBA player? RAJA BELL HAS NBA FINALS EXPERIENCE. BEFORE HE ARRIVED IN PHOENIX, HE AVERAGED 12.3 PPG WITH THE UTAH JAZZ = Established NBA Player.
Leandro Barbosa averaged 8 points, 2.4 assits, and 1.3 steals IN HIS ROOKIE SEASON!! When Nash arrived, those numbers dropped = Established NBA Player.
Boris Diaw got the most improved player of the year award. He still averaged more points than Luke Walton did THIS YEAR before he arrived in Phoenix. He's also (yup, you gues it) and ESTABLISHED NBA PLAYER.
Smush Parker was actually going to play in the NBDL this year before the Lakers signed him.
Kwame Brown was considered the biggest bust of all time before he came to the Lakers.
Devean George is the biggest underachiever you'll ever know.
Luke Walton is a second rounder playing heavy minutes.
Sasha Vujacic was considered for the NBDL by the Lakers earlier this season.
Brian Cook is a spot up shooter who averages the same amount as Barbosa did in his ROOKIE season...
I can keep going man...But there's no point. Cuz you're just gunna say more dumb shit that I will then need to shit on...You have no argument here...PeACe
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The point wasn't to prove the Lakers are bad... the point was to prove that the Laker, on paper, aren't a worst team than the Suns (without Amare of course)... Cause both team have their load of international/minor leagues and underachived players...
And even if the Suns are a little bit better (or got more established NBA players LMFAO) the Lakers aren't playing a good team game and that's why they are 7 instead of 2...
Your really funny you know... Dissing all the basketball fan on this forum, your not even able to admit a lil thing to nobody, like your the basketball analyst god or something like that... But at the end of the day your just a Lakers fan who is really frustrated by his team lost... But that's ok cause i'm at my job and I've got time to spend so keep on sucka!!!!!!!
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The point wasn't to prove the Lakers are bad... the point was to prove that the Laker, on paper, aren't a worst team than the Suns (without Amare of course)... Cause both team have their load of international/minor leagues and underachived players...
And even if the Suns are a little bit better (or got more established NBA players LMFAO) the Lakers aren't playing a good team game and that's why they are 7 instead of 2...
Your really funny you know... Dissing all the basketball fan on this forum, your not even able to admit a lil thing to nobody, like your the basketball analyst god or something like that... But at the end of the day your just a Lakers fan who is really frustrated by his team lost... But that's ok cause i'm at my job and I've got time to spend so keep on sucka!!!!!!!
You simply have no arguments...You boldly say the Suns are a worse team on paper, and I prove you wrong. Now you have nothing to say, so you switch up to "Lakers aren't playing a good team game"...Well, how 'bout this. Lakers DIDN'T play a good team game in their losses, but DID in their victories...They were inconsistant, which is common in a young/inexperienced team. I don't think I'm an analyst God (obviously, you're really thinking that since you brought it up), but I do believe that I know a whole lot more about basketball than you...That's why I will sit here and defend my points until you stop saying dumb shit...At the end of the day, I'm getting paid to son muthafuckaz who speak out their ass like you...Now, be a good boy, and admit you lost... :-[
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nash sucks
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Now, be a good boy, and admit you and your sorry ass Lakers lost...
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I lost what??? An internet battle with someone who can't even be partial... I rather lost this kind of things then win it :'(
Grow up
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Now, be a good boy, and admit you and your sorry ass Lakers lost...
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I lost what??? An internet battle with someone who can't even be partial... I rather lost this kind of things then win it :'(
Grow up
Someone who rather lose than win doesn't deserve my time of day...Internet or not, what I've been saying has been true, while you've been spitting shit out your damn asshole...PeACe
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Someone who rather lose than win doesn't deserve my time of day...Internet or not, what I've been saying has been true, while you've been spitting shit out your damn asshole...PeACe
Your so kind, i love discussing with people like you...
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Someone who rather lose than win doesn't deserve my time of day...Internet or not, what I've been saying has been true, while you've been spitting shit out your damn asshole...PeACe
Your so kind, i love discussing with people like you...
Anytime. ;)
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