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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: mistershow on September 01, 2009, 09:22:15 AM
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I feel like everyone has lost sight of what hip hop is all about. Everyone is all caught up in the so-called “hip hop” lifestyle and this auto-tune crap. There are a few mainstream artists that I still have respect for like Jay-Z. Death of auto-tune is DOPE. Love how he speaks the truth. What are your thoughts on hip hop today?
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well i think hip hop is what it has always been. an evolving art form, and too me the lack of actual substance is bringing it closer to how it was when it began. so i think ( as much as we may hate it) is returning to its original form when it was all about rocking a party. i like many others enjoyed the evolution of hip hop that praised lyrics and contents, however that was just a phase and wasnt the way game started off. a hip hop a hip hop hippy to the bang bang boogie of the rythym of the boogie to beeeee.. lmao something like that.. but all in all i love hip hop
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Still love it.
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Still love it.
in the spirit of your comment i present u with this lol enjoy it homie, it seems he feels the way we feel. thats y i fuck with dude music so tough. no matter how much of a box they try to put him in with that street,crip,gangsta shit, i can relate to him when he speaks on any subject in the world and its obvious he understands hip hop. in the form that we love it best
http://www.zshare.net/audio/64998009798f7bf0/
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Still love it.
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Still love it.
in the spirit of your comment i present u with this lol enjoy it homie, it seems he feels the way we feel. thats y i fuck with dude music so tough. no matter how much of a box they try to put him in with that street,crip,gangsta shit, i can relate to him when he speaks on any subject in the world and its obvious he understands hip hop. in the form that we love it best
http://www.zshare.net/audio/64998009798f7bf0/
Nice track.
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I was playin this at work today.
I've always fucked with underground music and the shit is the same to me. Never could really stick with the mainstream except for a few artists.
Still love it.
in the spirit of your comment i present u with this lol enjoy it homie, it seems he feels the way we feel. thats y i fuck with dude music so tough. no matter how much of a box they try to put him in with that street,crip,gangsta shit, i can relate to him when he speaks on any subject in the world and its obvious he understands hip hop. in the form that we love it best
http://www.zshare.net/audio/64998009798f7bf0/
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yea when i think about there arent many a list hip hop entertainers who were also a list lyricist. and not too many hit records have niggas spitting that shit on it that make you say damn!!!!! rewind that!!!!! u heard what he said? thats why eminem got so much props at first, cause even being super comercial he made you say you hear what the fuck he said?
she like to make a fool out me/
i love he doe/
even when she aint so lovable
i love her so/
im wid he fa evaer/you know
u neva know how love will go/
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Mainstream hip-hop is a piece of shit. I don't listen 2 it, cause it sells out, its weakass, and the underground shit is way better.
Shove the radio play up their asses, i'd take a underground not often as heard mixtape over it. 8)
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Mainstream hip-hop is a piece of shit. I don't listen 2 it, cause it sells out, its weakass, and the underground shit is way better.
Shove the radio play up their asses, i'd take a underground not often as heard mixtape over it. 8)
lol real talk
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Most mainstream hip-hop is trash. It's just watered down ignorant crap that everyone can appeal too if they want to feel "gangsta." This whole "swag" thing needs to die already. I think a lot of times this is why new rappers from the west are pretty vocal about they're neighborhood/gang affiliation, because you have perpetrators everywhere outside the west trying to get rich off of the same credentials that they don't even have (Ie. Lil Wayne, Jim Jones) so the least they can do it be real about it. Back in the early/mid 90's people weren't checking for stuff like that because the sound on the west was just that different and sounded dangerous as hell. In a beef, who isn't gonna want to ride with the side that started real gangsta shit. Problem is, when it gets real, the status quo steps in to intervene and the watered down crap is what is allowable on television/radio.
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considering the several unreleased tracks that wide awake recently put out were recorded back in the early 90's, and this music is the most excited I have been about any music dropping in over 5 years, I would say that pretty much sums up how I feel about the current state of hip hop.
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well i think hip hop is what it has always been. an evolving art form, and too me the lack of actual substance is bringing it closer to how it was when it began. so i think ( as much as we may hate it) is returning to its original form when it was all about rocking a party. i like many others enjoyed the evolution of hip hop that praised lyrics and contents, however that was just a phase and wasnt the way game started off. a hip hop a hip hop hippy to the bang bang boogie of the rythym of the boogie to beeeee.. lmao something like that.. but all in all i love hip hop
I more or less agree with you.
I love this hip-hop shit. If soulja boy gets the crowd moving then that's the way it goes. I ain't trying to listen to no raekown when i want to dance
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point well taken
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Hip Hop is fucking trash right now, mainstream Hip Hop that is. There is a few great artists that have merged in this new era (2000-present) but the majority is forgettable to complete trash.
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I don't see anything wrong with the state of hip hop, as long as I can still find good music to listen to every week.
I think people get too caught up in what is mainstream, when mainstream represents a very small portion of the music that is coming out. I turned off the radio years ago and I advise everyone do to the same. I couldn't even tell you the hottest 10 songs right now. It shouldn't matter because they are merely the songs that Clear Channel is getting paid to spin every 30 minutes. Regardless of what the current mainstream fad is, there will always be music of all kinds for people to listen to. All you need is an internet connection and the willingness to do a little searching.
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no groupie, but go bump Chamillionaire's Ultimate Victory & tell me hip hop is dead. 8)
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I don't see anything wrong with the state of hip hop, as long as I can still find good music to listen to every week.
I think people get too caught up in what is mainstream, when mainstream represents a very small portion of the music that is coming out. I turned off the radio years ago and I advise everyone do to the same. I couldn't even tell you the hottest 10 songs right now. It shouldn't matter because they are merely the songs that Clear Channel is getting paid to spin every 30 minutes. Regardless of what the current mainstream fad is, there will always be music of all kinds for people to listen to. All you need is an internet connection and the willingness to do a little searching.
I think people need to understand what an opinion is. Hardly anyone on this forum talks about any songs on the radio. Hell...do they even play west coast music on the radio anymore? This is a westcoast forum and half the fucking topics are about crooked I and death row, so I'm pretty sure most people on this forum are not too caught up w/ the mainstream radio hits.
I for one haven't listened to rap music on the radio in years. I only listen to talk radio if I am listening to the radio. That being said, rap music has never sounded worse off then it does today. Yes, I have heard the garbage that will guaranteed never get any radio play. Yes I have heard crooked I, bishop lamont, and dozens of other west coast rappers who will never make it on the radio. And yes, I would rather listen to rap in the 90's over their new music.
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Still love it.
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I don't see anything wrong with the state of hip hop, as long as I can still find good music to listen to every week.
I think people get too caught up in what is mainstream, when mainstream represents a very small portion of the music that is coming out. I turned off the radio years ago and I advise everyone do to the same. I couldn't even tell you the hottest 10 songs right now. It shouldn't matter because they are merely the songs that Clear Channel is getting paid to spin every 30 minutes. Regardless of what the current mainstream fad is, there will always be music of all kinds for people to listen to. All you need is an internet connection and the willingness to do a little searching.
I think people need to understand what an opinion is. Hardly anyone on this forum talks about any songs on the radio. Hell...do they even play west coast music on the radio anymore? This is a westcoast forum and half the fucking topics are about crooked I and death row, so I'm pretty sure most people on this forum are not too caught up w/ the mainstream radio hits.
I for one haven't listened to rap music on the radio in years. I only listen to talk radio if I am listening to the radio. That being said, rap music has never sounded worse off then it does today. Yes, I have heard the garbage that will guaranteed never get any radio play. Yes I have heard crooked I, bishop lamont, and dozens of other west coast rappers who will never make it on the radio. And yes, I would rather listen to rap in the 90's over their new music.
Lol...Crooked I and Bishop Lamont aren't exactly underground as they were signed with majors at one point. The rappers people talk about on here were either mainstream at one point and fell off, or are new rappers with some buzz who are trying to get signed. I'm talking about indie music.
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hiphop is gettin better now 2008 was the worst year in hip hop
09 we hav a lot of good work comin from quik, rae, jay , em& dre, mos def etc
luvin it
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I feel like everyone has lost sight of what hip hop is all about. Everyone is all caught up in the so-called “hip hop” lifestyle and this auto-tune crap. There are a few mainstream artists that I still have respect for like Jay-Z. Death of auto-tune is DOPE. Love how he speaks the truth. What are your thoughts on hip hop today?
go discuss something different for a change
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Still love it.
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Most shit you see on TV is bullshit but underground hip hop will never die
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I think Jay-Z is more than just an artist. He’s an entrepreneur and all around stand-up guy. I think this album will open up the gates for the unrecognized underground artists. He’s also doing a 9/11 benefit concert at MSG that I’m trying to win tickets for. Fuse is running a ticket giveaway http://www.fuse.tv/ontv/shows/jay-z/sweeps.html and will also be airing the concert live. Looks like a good time.
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Hip-Hop Is Dead.
Hip-Hop was shot and killed on Sept. 13th, 1996. It still took another 10 years before Nas released Hip-Hop Is Dead and made it's death official.
Hip-Hop started off as a culture comprised of the 4 elements, DJ, breakin, rapper, and graffiti in the 70's. The art of graffiti writing had it's peak in the 70's. The art of breakin and DJing had it's peak in the 80's. And then the rapper had his peak in the 90's, as the mid-90's the culture reached it's climax in the figure of 2pac Shakur, the art form became a global world-wide phenomenon and 2pac was the alpha-male. It threatened to become a revolution and change the world, so 2pac's life was snuffed out at the height of his fame, by a mysterious and still unknown assassin, because he threatened the to alter and greatly upset the Order of things.
It had died pre-maturely. Eminem made his best efforts to once again bring life to the art form in the late 90's, Rawkus Records brought hip-hop consciousness to another level, and the last gasp for life was heard around the time 8 Mile and Get Rich Or Die Trying were released in 2003. However, it has not been heard or seen since then, and Nas (the ambassador of hip-hop) officially declared it's death in 2006 with the release of Hip-Hop Is Dead.
May it rest in peace.
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Hip-Hop Is Dead.
Hip-Hop was shot and killed on Sept. 13th, 1996. It still took another 10 years before Nas released Hip-Hop Is Dead and made it's death official.
Hip-Hop started off as a culture comprised of the 4 elements, DJ, breakin, rapper, and graffiti in the 70's. The art of graffiti writing had it's peak in the 70's. The art of breakin and DJing had it's peak in the 80's. And then the rapper had his peak in the 90's, as the mid-90's the culture reached it's climax in the figure of 2pac Shakur, the art form became a global world-wide phenomenon and 2pac was the alpha-male. It threatened to become a revolution and change the world, so 2pac's life was snuffed out at the height of his fame, by a mysterious and still unknown assassin, because he threatened the to alter and greatly upset the Order of things.
It had died pre-maturely. Eminem made his best efforts to once again bring life to the art form in the late 90's, Rawkus Records brought hip-hop consciousness to another level, and the last gasp for life was heard around the time 8 Mile and Get Rich Or Die Trying were released in 2003. However, it has not been heard or seen since then, and Nas (the ambassador of hip-hop) officially declared it's death in 2006 with the release of Hip-Hop Is Dead.
May it rest in peace.
stfu
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Lol this guy really believe 2pac is a god aha ...as if 2pac invented hip-hop and everything
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lovin it & lovin it.
'hiphop is dead'... fuck you, do something. i'm tired of muthafuckas talkin n talkin... write, breakdance, dj, make music, everybody wants to be a fuccin philosopher...
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Hip-Hop Is Dead.
Hip-Hop was shot and killed on Sept. 13th, 1996. It still took another 10 years before Nas released Hip-Hop Is Dead and made it's death official.
Hip-Hop started off as a culture comprised of the 4 elements, DJ, breakin, rapper, and graffiti in the 70's. The art of graffiti writing had it's peak in the 70's. The art of breakin and DJing had it's peak in the 80's. And then the rapper had his peak in the 90's, as the mid-90's the culture reached it's climax in the figure of 2pac Shakur, the art form became a global world-wide phenomenon and 2pac was the alpha-male. It threatened to become a revolution and change the world, so 2pac's life was snuffed out at the height of his fame, by a mysterious and still unknown assassin, because he threatened the to alter and greatly upset the Order of things.
It had died pre-maturely. Eminem made his best efforts to once again bring life to the art form in the late 90's, Rawkus Records brought hip-hop consciousness to another level, and the last gasp for life was heard around the time 8 Mile and Get Rich Or Die Trying were released in 2003. However, it has not been heard or seen since then, and Nas (the ambassador of hip-hop) officially declared it's death in 2006 with the release of Hip-Hop Is Dead.
May it rest in peace.
Bullshit
How can Hip Hop be dead if Wu Tang is forever 8)
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what was the first "bad" song that lead Hip Hop down the bad road it's claimed to be on?
if i had to guess, i would say 50's Candyshop.
a sellout radio song for the bitches in the clubs that put 50 on the map & showed others you could make songs like that and make millions.
but Candyshop was a dope song, in my opinion. ;D
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hip hop is alive and is breathing perfectly
Mainstream is dead not hip hop itself
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Hip-Hop Is Dead.
Hip-Hop was shot and killed on Sept. 13th, 1996. It still took another 10 years before Nas released Hip-Hop Is Dead and made it's death official.
Hip-Hop started off as a culture comprised of the 4 elements, DJ, breakin, rapper, and graffiti in the 70's. The art of graffiti writing had it's peak in the 70's. The art of breakin and DJing had it's peak in the 80's. And then the rapper had his peak in the 90's, as the mid-90's the culture reached it's climax in the figure of 2pac Shakur, the art form became a global world-wide phenomenon and 2pac was the alpha-male. It threatened to become a revolution and change the world, so 2pac's life was snuffed out at the height of his fame, by a mysterious and still unknown assassin, because he threatened the to alter and greatly upset the Order of things.
It had died pre-maturely. Eminem made his best efforts to once again bring life to the art form in the late 90's, Rawkus Records brought hip-hop consciousness to another level, and the last gasp for life was heard around the time 8 Mile and Get Rich Or Die Trying were released in 2003. However, it has not been heard or seen since then, and Nas (the ambassador of hip-hop) officially declared it's death in 2006 with the release of Hip-Hop Is Dead.
May it rest in peace.
Stop being a melodramatic little bitch brian. you don't know what you're talking about at all.
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what was the first "bad" song that lead Hip Hop down the bad road it's claimed to be on?
if i had to guess, i would say 50's Candyshop.
a sellout radio song for the bitches in the clubs that put 50 on the map & showed others you could make songs like that and make millions.
but Candyshop was a dope song, in my opinion. ;D
A serious question...besides personal preference and its classic status in hip hop, what truly is the difference between Candy Shop and Rapper's Delight?
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what was the first "bad" song that lead Hip Hop down the bad road it's claimed to be on?
if i had to guess, i would say 50's Candyshop.
a sellout radio song for the bitches in the clubs that put 50 on the map & showed others you could make songs like that and make millions.
but Candyshop was a dope song, in my opinion. ;D
then you are wrong . 50's Candyshop was not even the first like that . other rapper came out with crap in late 90's that is worse . it was ja rule or hot boys crew who made worse songs then that . . candyshop did not put 50 cent on the map. in the da club or wanksta put 50 cent on the map. there has been mean more sellout radio songs for the bitches in the clubs before 50 cent ever made candy shop.
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lol @ asking about the current state of hip-hop in the westcoast section where 90% of the posters are still living in 1994
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what was the first "bad" song that lead Hip Hop down the bad road it's claimed to be on?
if i had to guess, i would say 50's Candyshop.
a sellout radio song for the bitches in the clubs that put 50 on the map & showed others you could make songs like that and make millions.
but Candyshop was a dope song, in my opinion. ;D
then you are wrong . 50's Candyshop was not even the first like that . other rapper came out with crap in late 90's that is worse . it was ja rule or hot boys crew who made worse songs then that . . candyshop did not put 50 cent on the map. in the da club or wanksta put 50 cent on the map. there has been mean more sellout radio songs for the bitches in the clubs before 50 cent ever made candy shop.
Don't forget LL Cool J. He's probably the first rapper I think of who started that trend.
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No one artist or song was responsible for the birth or death of hip-hop.
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what was the first "bad" song that lead Hip Hop down the bad road it's claimed to be on?
if i had to guess, i would say 50's Candyshop.
a sellout radio song for the bitches in the clubs that put 50 on the map & showed others you could make songs like that and make millions.
but Candyshop was a dope song, in my opinion. ;D
then you are wrong . 50's Candyshop was not even the first like that . other rapper came out with crap in late 90's that is worse . it was ja rule or hot boys crew who made worse songs then that . . candyshop did not put 50 cent on the map. in the da club or wanksta put 50 cent on the map. there has been mean more sellout radio songs for the bitches in the clubs before 50 cent ever made candy shop.
Don't forget LL Cool J. He's probably the first rapper I think of who started that trend.
you are right about that . what about father m.c?
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just saying, nobody bitched about Hip Hop's state until around the time Candyshop came out; be real.
& i didn't say it put him on the map, but it is hands down one of the biggest singles this decade (saleswise).
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just saying, nobody bitched about Hip Hop's state until around the time Candyshop came out; be real.
& i didn't say it put him on the map, but it is hands down one of the biggest singles this decade (saleswise).
i thought in da club sold more. what are yo utalking about nobody bitched about Hip Hop's state until around the time Candyshop came out. people have been bitching about the state of hip hop since cash money came around. hip hop has not been right since after 1997.
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just saying, nobody bitched about Hip Hop's state until around the time Candyshop came out; be real.
& i didn't say it put him on the map, but it is hands down one of the biggest singles this decade (saleswise).
i thought in da club sold more. what are yo utalking about nobody bitched about Hip Hop's state until around the time Candyshop came out. people have been bitching about the state of hip hop since cash money came around. hip hop has not been right since after 1997.
i don't know which sold more, but whose to say 50 Cent can't have two top selling singles within the same decade?
& no, no, no; the "Hip Hop Is Dead" movement started shortly before Nas' album & then Nas' album was like the "official" shit.
i don't remember people saying "Hip Hop is dead" when Dre put out 2001 & Eminem was dropping classics & Xzibit dropped Restless & Wu Tang was still putting out that dope shit.
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just saying, nobody bitched about Hip Hop's state until around the time Candyshop came out; be real.
& i didn't say it put him on the map, but it is hands down one of the biggest singles this decade (saleswise).
i thought in da club sold more. what are yo utalking about nobody bitched about Hip Hop's state until around the time Candyshop came out. people have been bitching about the state of hip hop since cash money came around. hip hop has not been right since after 1997.
i don't know which sold more, but whose to say 50 Cent can't have two top selling singles within the same decade?
& no, no, no; the "Hip Hop Is Dead" movement started shortly before Nas' album & then Nas' album was like the "official" shit.
i don't remember people saying "Hip Hop is dead" when Dre put out 2001 & Eminem was dropping classics & Xzibit dropped Restless & Wu Tang was still putting out that dope shit.
We weren't. But the 80s heads probably were. A lot of people complained when N.W.A came out and gangsta rap became the new trend.
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rap/hip hop=dead
theres a shitlist of clones..no body new lyrically
ecspecially frm the west
except me
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just saying, nobody bitched about Hip Hop's state until around the time Candyshop came out; be real.
& i didn't say it put him on the map, but it is hands down one of the biggest singles this decade (saleswise).
i thought in da club sold more. what are yo utalking about nobody bitched about Hip Hop's state until around the time Candyshop came out. people have been bitching about the state of hip hop since cash money came around. hip hop has not been right since after 1997.
i don't know which sold more, but whose to say 50 Cent can't have two top selling singles within the same decade?
& no, no, no; the "Hip Hop Is Dead" movement started shortly before Nas' album & then Nas' album was like the "official" shit.
i don't remember people saying "Hip Hop is dead" when Dre put out 2001 & Eminem was dropping classics & Xzibit dropped Restless & Wu Tang was still putting out that dope shit.
We weren't. But the 80s heads probably were. A lot of people complained when N.W.A came out and gangsta rap became the new trend.
i really couldn't tell you, but it took off & people got over it fairly fast lol.
i doubt they went into "Hip Hop is over", crisis-mode; but like i said, i couldn't tell you.
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i reckon deez south rappers killed hiphop in early 2000
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hip hop is alive and is breathing perfectly
Mainstream is dead not hip hop itself
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just saying, nobody bitched about Hip Hop's state until around the time Candyshop came out; be real.
& i didn't say it put him on the map, but it is hands down one of the biggest singles this decade (saleswise).
I don't know where you were but in my experience, when it was all Ja Rule and Nelly on the radio in 2001-02, people were really tired of it. It was a lot of oversaturation where you had a song that might have been good on its own but because of it being a hit, you had thirty songs just like it that would flood the rotation on the radio. You could very clearly see the problem coming back then. P2P sharing was just taking off so it wasn't a drastic overnight thing.
If anything, I remember 50 Cent coming on the scene and people looking at him like a breath of fresh air because he was the opposite of Ja Rule who'd been dominating the airwaves for some time at that point. But I'd say it all started to come undone with the new millienium. People hated all the jewelry-obsessed "bling bling" shit that Cash Money and the like were doing. Cats like Fat Joe went from doing really hard-edged NY-style gangsta records to doing more dance-oriented R&B stuff. There was the whole Nelly vs. KRS-One situation. I remember a lot of this because back then, I would listen to the radio a lot during my down time at work and I just couldn't deal with the hip-hop station at all.
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just saying, nobody bitched about Hip Hop's state until around the time Candyshop came out; be real.
& i didn't say it put him on the map, but it is hands down one of the biggest singles this decade (saleswise).
i thought in da club sold more. what are yo utalking about nobody bitched about Hip Hop's state until around the time Candyshop came out. people have been bitching about the state of hip hop since cash money came around. hip hop has not been right since after 1997.
i don't know which sold more, but whose to say 50 Cent can't have two top selling singles within the same decade?
& no, no, no; the "Hip Hop Is Dead" movement started shortly before Nas' album & then Nas' album was like the "official" shit.
i don't remember people saying "Hip Hop is dead" when Dre put out 2001 & Eminem was dropping classics & Xzibit dropped Restless & Wu Tang was still putting out that dope shit.
We weren't. But the 80s heads probably were. A lot of people complained when N.W.A came out and gangsta rap became the new trend.
i really couldn't tell you, but it took off & people got over it fairly fast lol.
i doubt they went into "Hip Hop is over", crisis-mode; but like i said, i couldn't tell you.
I'm pretty sure they were. A lot of people called it the death of rap. The difference is that it was mostly contained to magazine articles and older people who were hip hop fans in the 80s, and those of us who grew up on 90s rap weren't being exposed to their opinions. The internet wasn't really big back then so every person's opinion on the planet wasn't being broadcast. Even in the late 90s/early 00s, not everyone had internet and blogging and forums hadn't really taken off so it wasn't like today where we are being exposed to every person's opinion.
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just saying, nobody bitched about Hip Hop's state until around the time Candyshop came out; be real.
& i didn't say it put him on the map, but it is hands down one of the biggest singles this decade (saleswise).
i thought in da club sold more. what are yo utalking about nobody bitched about Hip Hop's state until around the time Candyshop came out. people have been bitching about the state of hip hop since cash money came around. hip hop has not been right since after 1997.
i don't know which sold more, but whose to say 50 Cent can't have two top selling singles within the same decade?
& no, no, no; the "Hip Hop Is Dead" movement started shortly before Nas' album & then Nas' album was like the "official" shit.
i don't remember people saying "Hip Hop is dead" when Dre put out 2001 & Eminem was dropping classics & Xzibit dropped Restless & Wu Tang was still putting out that dope shit.
We weren't. But the 80s heads probably were. A lot of people complained when N.W.A came out and gangsta rap became the new trend.
i really couldn't tell you, but it took off & people got over it fairly fast lol.
i doubt they went into "Hip Hop is over", crisis-mode; but like i said, i couldn't tell you.
I'm pretty sure they were. A lot of people called it the death of rap. The difference is that it was mostly contained to magazine articles and older people who were hip hop fans in the 80s, and those of us who grew up on 90s rap weren't being exposed to their opinions. The internet wasn't really big back then so every person's opinion on the planet wasn't being broadcast. Even in the late 90s/early 00s, not everyone had internet and blogging and forums hadn't really taken off so it wasn't like today where we are being exposed to every person's opinion.
see that is what have been saying for a while to people. that is straight truth you just kicked . i grew up on the 80's & 90's hip hop & must people from my era felt hip hop had gone bad in end 1997 & after .Just like jimmy h said my era hated cash money & that bling bling crap
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Well now that Deathrow are bringing out all this unreleased i think hip hop is going to be good again, im very stuck in my ways and continously listen to stuff from the 90's, its what i love. I do check out new stuff but i never get that excited, maybe im just getting too old maybe im just ignorant but i like what i like so long live 90's hip hop.
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Well now that Deathrow are bringing out all this unreleased i think hip hop is going to be good again, im very stuck in my ways and continously listen to stuff from the 90's, its what i love. I do check out new stuff but i never get that excited, maybe im just getting too old maybe im just ignorant but i like what i like so long live 90's hip hop.
there is nothing wrong with that.
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The 90's had a lot of great songs, but IMO that doesn't mean that the artists of today don't have much to contribute. The really popular chart-hitters just lack appeal to some due to them being club/pop themed, though that's all people want in a song these days. Bouncy-beat, catchy hook, 3 famous features and auto-tuned verses.
Instead of waiting for the glory days to come back (if it ever will), I go and look for talent in the midst of several different movements going on. There are a lot more than just hyphy, New West and jerk.
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i would say '90-'00 >>> any decade, for rap.
i do admit i like gangsta rap more-so than any other type of rap, so i suppose you can call me biased.
but like i was saying, classics were dropped even after Biggie died.
the last true classic, that people throw in the conversations with the Biggie's & the Pac's is Eminem's MMLP.
maybe mainstream music was dying at that time, but surely not to the state it's at now; at least they were rapping.
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i would say '90-'00 >>> any decade, for rap.
i do admit i like gangsta rap more-so than any other type of rap, so i suppose you can call me biased.
but like i was saying, classics were dropped even after Biggie died.
the last true classic, that people throw in the conversations with the Biggie's & the Pac's is Eminem's MMLP.
maybe mainstream music was dying at that time, but surely not to the state it's at now; at least they were rapping.
Yeah 99-02 was my personal favourite era in especially west coast hip hop, even now lookin back
2001, restlest, D&YG, Eastsidaz, Last Meal, first two Em albums, no limit topp dogg,RAW, The W etc, claaaasssssics
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i would say '90-'00 >>> any decade, for rap.
i do admit i like gangsta rap more-so than any other type of rap, so i suppose you can call me biased.
but like i was saying, classics were dropped even after Biggie died.
the last true classic, that people throw in the conversations with the Biggie's & the Pac's is Eminem's MMLP.
maybe mainstream music was dying at that time, but surely not to the state it's at now; at least they were rapping.
I see The Blueprint and Stillmatic get thrown around as classics as well. Get Rich Or Die Tryin, Speakerboxx/The Love Below...Not too many after that, but there's a good reason. A classic is an album that has stood the test of time. We probably won't know more of this decade's classics until its over.
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I feel like everyone has lost sight of what hip hop is all about. Everyone is all caught up in the so-called “hip hop” lifestyle and this auto-tune crap. There are a few mainstream artists that I still have respect for like Jay-Z. Death of auto-tune is DOPE. Love how he speaks the truth. What are your thoughts on hip hop today?
well...i can say that artist did go over the limit with the auto tune or melodyne...which ever u choose...but it bothers me that artist go over the limit lyrically...like jay-z..i love jay---im a real life fan...but im an artist that dont bite..and when i see artist like jay bitin biggie,snoop,nas,slick rick...it bothers me {(besides lyrics in D.O.A he keeps saying "uuugh" inm his adlibs..thats biggies soul trade mark,and now all of a sudden jay and nas is cool...nas is the only person who couldda said anything abt it)} .....lil wayne,camron..plenty of ppl are major biters as well
THEN
the west is on the same track its BEEN on...the same list of artist being grabbed from misc. buckets and recycled....it makes me sick
sure we got jerkin music which is still new but its like on some youngster music sounding similar to the bay....that or gangbangin{game used to be a spitter but its all gangbanging now..all the collabs}
so im stuck in limbo
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i would say '90-'00 >>> any decade, for rap.
i do admit i like gangsta rap more-so than any other type of rap, so i suppose you can call me biased.
but like i was saying, classics were dropped even after Biggie died.
the last true classic, that people throw in the conversations with the Biggie's & the Pac's is Eminem's MMLP.
maybe mainstream music was dying at that time, but surely not to the state it's at now; at least they were rapping.
I see The Blueprint and Stillmatic get thrown around as classics as well. Get Rich Or Die Tryin, Speakerboxx/The Love Below...Not too many after that, but there's a good reason. A classic is an album that has stood the test of time. We probably won't know more of this decade's classics until its over.
true, but Eminem made such an impact with the race thing & his music (even if he has a majority white listeners) still sells as good as anybody.
i would say his first two albums are true, undisputable classics; but i am an Eminem fan, so don't listen to me. :P
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i would say '90-'00 >>> any decade, for rap.
i do admit i like gangsta rap more-so than any other type of rap, so i suppose you can call me biased.
but like i was saying, classics were dropped even after Biggie died.
the last true classic, that people throw in the conversations with the Biggie's & the Pac's is Eminem's MMLP.
maybe mainstream music was dying at that time, but surely not to the state it's at now; at least they were rapping.
I see The Blueprint and Stillmatic get thrown around as classics as well. Get Rich Or Die Tryin, Speakerboxx/The Love Below...Not too many after that, but there's a good reason. A classic is an album that has stood the test of time. We probably won't know more of this decade's classics until its over.
true, but Eminem made such an impact with the race thing & his music (even if he has a majority white listeners) still sells as good as anybody.
i would say his first two albums are true, undisputable classics; but i am an Eminem fan, so don't listen to me. :P
Eminem has a strong contender for being GOAT (He is a great, but as for all time is debatable). Given his Catalog he has 2 classics under his belt 1 that's over the top, and 1 that's actually a really good piece of work that calls out bullshit. His other 3 albums are debatable, The Eminem show really is a good contender as being a classic, given the controversy it still sparked and is one of his last better lyrics ones, but Encore is by no means a contender as a classic in anyway.
Relapse well that's debatable, given the time between the albums, the topics being the same, the same topics with no new expressions, only notables include "Beautiful" and "Déjà Vu" which show what the Entire album COULD of been. Instead its really rehash and fails to capture his former lyricism and doesn't really announce a return. Relapse 2 might be better given its said to be "underground" through out the entire album.
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After hearing an album like OBFCLII, I'd say it just got a nice lift.
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i would say '90-'00 >>> any decade, for rap.
i do admit i like gangsta rap more-so than any other type of rap, so i suppose you can call me biased.
but like i was saying, classics were dropped even after Biggie died.
the last true classic, that people throw in the conversations with the Biggie's & the Pac's is Eminem's MMLP.
maybe mainstream music was dying at that time, but surely not to the state it's at now; at least they were rapping.
I see The Blueprint and Stillmatic get thrown around as classics as well. Get Rich Or Die Tryin, Speakerboxx/The Love Below...Not too many after that, but there's a good reason. A classic is an album that has stood the test of time. We probably won't know more of this decade's classics until its over.
true, but Eminem made such an impact with the race thing & his music (even if he has a majority white listeners) still sells as good as anybody.
i would say his first two albums are true, undisputable classics; but i am an Eminem fan, so don't listen to me. :P
Eminem has a strong contender for being GOAT (He is a great, but as for all time is debatable). Given his Catalog he has 2 classics under his belt 1 that's over the top, and 1 that's actually a really good piece of work that calls out bullshit. His other 3 albums are debatable, The Eminem show really is a good contender as being a classic, given the controversy it still sparked and is one of his last better lyrics ones, but Encore is by no means a contender as a classic in anyway.
Relapse well that's debatable, given the time between the albums, the topics being the same, the same topics with no new expressions, only notables include "Beautiful" and "Déjà Vu" which show what the Entire album COULD of been. Instead its really rehash and fails to capture his former lyricism and doesn't really announce a return. Relapse 2 might be better given its said to be "underground" through out the entire album.
SSLP & MMLP are undisputable classics to me, just amazing work.
Eminem Show has some real amazing & classic songs on it, but has a different side to it, it didn't have that dark feel to it; it's a personal classic to me; but disputable for debate.
Encore? no, let's not go there lol.
Relapse was great to me, but not as good as The Eminem Show, but much better than Encore.
MMLP = SSLP > The Eminem Show > Relapse >>>>> Encore.
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i would say '90-'00 >>> any decade, for rap.
i do admit i like gangsta rap more-so than any other type of rap, so i suppose you can call me biased.
but like i was saying, classics were dropped even after Biggie died.
the last true classic, that people throw in the conversations with the Biggie's & the Pac's is Eminem's MMLP.
maybe mainstream music was dying at that time, but surely not to the state it's at now; at least they were rapping.
I see The Blueprint and Stillmatic get thrown around as classics as well. Get Rich Or Die Tryin, Speakerboxx/The Love Below...Not too many after that, but there's a good reason. A classic is an album that has stood the test of time. We probably won't know more of this decade's classics until its over.
true, but Eminem made such an impact with the race thing & his music (even if he has a majority white listeners) still sells as good as anybody.
i would say his first two albums are true, undisputable classics; but i am an Eminem fan, so don't listen to me. :P
Eminem has a strong contender for being GOAT (He is a great, but as for all time is debatable). Given his Catalog he has 2 classics under his belt 1 that's over the top, and 1 that's actually a really good piece of work that calls out bullshit. His other 3 albums are debatable, The Eminem show really is a good contender as being a classic, given the controversy it still sparked and is one of his last better lyrics ones, but Encore is by no means a contender as a classic in anyway.
Relapse well that's debatable, given the time between the albums, the topics being the same, the same topics with no new expressions, only notables include "Beautiful" and "Déjà Vu" which show what the Entire album COULD of been. Instead its really rehash and fails to capture his former lyricism and doesn't really announce a return. Relapse 2 might be better given its said to be "underground" through out the entire album.
SSLP & MMLP are undisputable classics to me, just amazing work.
Eminem Show has some real amazing & classic songs on it, but has a different side to it, it didn't have that dark feel to it; it's a personal classic to me; but disputable for debate.
Encore? no, let's not go there lol.
Relapse was great to me, but not as good as The Eminem Show, but much better than Encore.
MMLP = SSLP > The Eminem Show > Relapse >>>>> Encore.
Relapse vs Encore is a debatable subject that will probably never be given proper do.. Encore still generated political controversy with songs like "Mosh" and other controversy like his racism tape controversy.Controversy with The Source and Benzino was responded in "Like Toy Soldiers" while the album showed a serious degrade in quality. Tracks like "Ass like that" were just fucking clubs with some crazy funny overtones. Encore lyrically is nothing compared to his previous 3 as such it takes a huge hit, but the Content is there.
Relapse on the other hand, returns him to his Slim Shady Persona, better rhymes but the content is limited. The album is called "Relapse" ok, Its suppose to be a personal album, so why is he singing as Rain man? under the Slim shady Persona??? It didn't make sense. With the Slim shady persona you get the fucking Slim Shady Topics. 4 years since Encore, the Tracks show a noticeable degrade in content, and rehash.
The album is called "relapse" cause of his drug addiction, yet we only get a couple of tracks dealing with it. The album content wise is rehash. The lyricism has improved since Encore (should be noted Encore was done during his drug addiction) but the content has degraded. No longer showing any political prowness, stuck with his Mom, Attacking Celebs (Wasting a perfect opportunity to talk about the Iraq situation, he also wasted a good beat. Please I get the songs meaning, but honestly wtf). The only 2 tracks were he truly shined was Deja Vu and Beautiful.
These 2 albums will probably remain his most debated (relapse 2 has yet to drop, as such we have no idea if the content finally improves).
Encore - Has better content, Noticeably degraded in areas, lyrically is a failure.
Relapse - Better Lyricially, Content isn't their and is degraded and rehash.
IMO
TMMLP>TSSLP>TES>Encore>Relapse I prefer content over some catchy lyric about his mom druggin him... Even though I except Good lyrics from Eminem his Encore pretty much put him as lyrical as the average west coast rapper (who always simply put clarity over complexity)
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^i got into his flow on Relapse.
i mean, maybe not every song was about drugs, but he name dropped "Valium" on just about every song lol.
i think the Relapse was more solid than Encore; but we generally agree with the other three albums, which are amazing, so it's all gravy. 8)
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On the Eminem debate, it's not a solo effort but I think his work on the "8-Mile" soundtrack was some of the best of his career. No funny cartoon stuff and he wasn't trying to do any gangsta records on their either. I actually really love that soundtrack. I think 2002 was one of the last years where hip-hop still felt alive to me. There were signs that things were getting bad but it could still go either way at that point.
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On the Eminem debate, it's not a solo effort but I think his work on the "8-Mile" soundtrack was some of the best of his career. No funny cartoon stuff and he wasn't trying to do any gangsta records on their either. I actually really love that soundtrack. I think 2002 was one of the last years where hip-hop still felt alive to me. There were signs that things were getting bad but it could still go either way at that point.
great music on that Soundtrack.
Lose Yourself is one of his best songs ever.
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another 1 of these threads :'( i always thawt its been hot since day 1/ Class of 88'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yq6VJxewjNg
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I think hip hop is still very much alive. It's just been changing and transforming. Sometimes for the better and sometimes not. Someone mentioned Jay-Z here and I think he's another hip hop success story which is actually great. Really love what he's been doing especially with this new album and the benefit concert at MSG. Gonna watch it on Fuse tomorrow night at 9. Gonna be SICK!
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In the mainstream I would say Hip Hop is DEAD.... In the underground it's alive and well though, but there's too many major corporate companies trying to exploit the culture and make it in to some kind of pop music shit and everybody's just trying to get rich off the shit.... I kind of agree, the last REAL artist to address real issues was Pac, at least in the mainstream! The only ones doing that now are all underground, like for example Immortal Technique! That dude really exposes the truth about shit!
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i would say '90-'00 >>> any decade, for rap.
i do admit i like gangsta rap more-so than any other type of rap, so i suppose you can call me biased.
but like i was saying, classics were dropped even after Biggie died.
the last true classic, that people throw in the conversations with the Biggie's & the Pac's is Eminem's MMLP.
maybe mainstream music was dying at that time, but surely not to the state it's at now; at least they were rapping.
'90-'00 my be for your age . but real true hip hop heads know the best era was 86-97 >>>>>>>>>>> any decade, for rap. after 97 hip hop started getting stupid & alot of my friends started to walk away from rap because it started to become crap. hip hop was already hurting by the time eminem showed up. what was popular when eminem showed up was bands like korn,limp bizikit,def tones,hed p.e. stanid & coal chamber . that was sound that was cool for that time when eminem showed up. so hip hop was not even cool when eminem showed up.
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As Far as Mainstream hip hop goes its Dead , There is no true official mainstream hip hop anymore , 90 Percent of music on radio and Bet are Pop Rap ... The Only worthy mainstream artist that i give a pass to are Ludacris , Snoop , and maybe T.I ... but the best hip hop doesnt get played out on the radio and Bet these days ... You have to look for it more now ..
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Its coming back!