West Coast Connection Forum
Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: ITW [the irish boy] on October 17, 2003, 03:55:50 AM
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My best friends girlfriend got raped on holiday in spain this summer. The morning after pill didnt work and now shes pregnant. Shes going to england in a few weeks for an abortion. My friend doesnt believe in abortion, hed prefer to give the baby up for adoption (theyre both just 18 and not very serious). But after seeing the devastation it was causing the emma and her family, and the pain she'd have to go through, he now supports her choice.
I dont really have an opinion on an abortion, though i think in these extreme circumstances emma should have the choice. What do you think?
BTW the guy who did it has been arrested.
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what ever she decides... she'll have to live with for the rest of her life..... It will be with her always.... and will charge her life drastically.... she just better hopes she can handle her choice... because it is a hard decision to make...
i see it as this... your damned if you do.. and your damned if you dont... best of luck to her
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i think abortion is prob best
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in these cases getting an abortion is the best... but getting an abortion because you wanted to fuck and werent responsible to use a condom is dumb and the mother should die not the baby hell im 14 and even i know too use a fucking rubber if i dont have one i aint fucking every guy should know that
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She's killing a kid because something tragic happened in her life. that's no excuse. Unfortunately, she should carry the baby to term, and then if she doesn't want it, she should give it up for adoption.
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She's killing a kid because something tragic happened in her life. that's no excuse. Unfortunately, she should carry the baby to term, and then if she doesn't want it, she should give it up for adoption.
*Slaps head* And you are to choose this "better" choice for her I see. Good to see we care about other people here. The kid will go feeling unwanted, and this could scar the kid, leaving it with all kinds of personal problems.
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She's killing a kid because something tragic happened in her life. that's no excuse. Unfortunately, she should carry the baby to term, and then if she doesn't want it, she should give it up for adoption.
Who are you to say ... what this girl should and shouldn't do ... what if she is a heathen? Her beliefs are more then likely different then yours...... she can make the choice on her own.. And also can live with the consequences of her actions....
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the mother should die not the baby
that wouldnt do anything for anyone dude...i swear all you ever do is say people should die ::)
anywayz...i think she should have the choice...if you have a choice between bringing a baby in this world and not having it raised properly or not at all i would say not at all...
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She's killing a kid because something tragic happened in her life. that's no excuse. Unfortunately, she should carry the baby to term, and then if she doesn't want it, she should give it up for adoption.
*Slaps head* And you are to choose this "better" choice for her I see. Good to see we care about other people here. The kid will go feeling unwanted, and this could scar the kid, leaving it with all kinds of personal problems.
I'm scarred. I'm living with all kinds of problems... but you know what? I thank GOD everyday I'm alive. This is a wonderful world, why kill a kid before he even has a right to enjoy it?
That's the difference between conservatives (me) and liberals (you). I'm an optimist, I recognize beauty, you're a pessimist, you think the world is a hell hole. Grow up.
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She's killing a kid because something tragic happened in her life. that's no excuse. Unfortunately, she should carry the baby to term, and then if she doesn't want it, she should give it up for adoption.
Who are you to say ... what this girl should and shouldn't do ... what if she is a heathen? Her beliefs are more then likely different then yours...... she can make the choice on her own.. And also can live with the consequences of her actions....
HE ASKED FOR AN OPINION, it's my fucking opinion. Just because you fuck around, and more than likely would kill any baby you got pregnant with, doesn't mean that I feel the same way. It's not my business to make the girl do one or another, but I do have an OPINION, I was asked for it, and I gave it. Shut the fuck up.
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She's killing a kid because something tragic happened in her life. that's no excuse. Unfortunately, she should carry the baby to term, and then if she doesn't want it, she should give it up for adoption.
Who are you to say ... what this girl should and shouldn't do ... what if she is a heathen? Her beliefs are more then likely different then yours...... she can make the choice on her own.. And also can live with the consequences of her actions....
HE ASKED FOR AN OPINION, it's my fucking opinion. Just because you fuck around, and more than likely would kill any baby you got pregnant with, doesn't mean that I feel the same way. It's not my business to make the girl do one or another, but I do have an OPINION, I was asked for it, and I gave it. Shut the fuck up.
shut the fuck up trauma.. because you dont know shit about me... you think you have me figured out... but in reality you dont.. i am pro-life... to the point where i dont even eat meat... and fuck around? how do you know this?? are you stalking me or something.. does your life suck to the extreme amount to where you have nothing else to do.. but get into what other people are doing? i been straight for the last few months.. and been seeing one guy... that i just so happen to care more about then i have anyone...
you dont know me your fuckin loser ass hole... so dont even try to acted like you do... get a life..
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I am pro-life too. We are a pro-life family. But in a modern time, I think that we must let people decide for themselves what is right and wrong. I would never let a potential baby of mine die, or get aborted. BUT, I can't talk for other families, religions, or non religious people.
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She's killing a kid because something tragic happened in her life. that's no excuse. Unfortunately, she should carry the baby to term, and then if she doesn't want it, she should give it up for adoption.
Who are you to say ... what this girl should and shouldn't do ... what if she is a heathen? Her beliefs are more then likely different then yours...... she can make the choice on her own.. And also can live with the consequences of her actions....
HE ASKED FOR AN OPINION, it's my fucking opinion. Just because you fuck around, and more than likely would kill any baby you got pregnant with, doesn't mean that I feel the same way. It's not my business to make the girl do one or another, but I do have an OPINION, I was asked for it, and I gave it. Shut the fuck up.
and fuck around? how do you know this??
umm maybe cuz you admit to it
an my opinion on the subject. I think she should get an aborition. its is mad easy for a guy to say she shouldnt get an abortion even tho she is raped b/c your not the one that is goin be carrying this baby for 9 months. now if the girl was a slut an jus wasnt careful than she should pay for her mistake but in this case i agree with abortion
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The kid will go feeling unwanted, and this could scar the kid, leaving it with all kinds of personal problems.
NOBODY should have their chance at life taken away, you don't know how the baby's life will go on after birth, so you cant speak on it.
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it is all a matter of personal choice.. people will do it regardless of what other say and do.... even if it was outlaw.. women would find a way... hire someone to do it.... do it themselves.. with the old coat hanger trick..... at least.. allow abortion.. makes it safe.. for those women who dont hold religious values...
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I absolutely understand what trauma is saying about stopping the kids chance at life but I think at the end of the day it is the mothers choice, so long as she considers it wisely.
As someone said, its a no-win situation. If she gives the kid up for adoption therell always be the wondering of where she is and the problems the kid would face after learning 1/they are unwanted and 2/ their dad is an evil rapist.
But if she has an abortion i think she will always have a feeling of guilt and wondering of what could have been, enhanced by pro-life extremists calling her a murderer.
I couldnt advise her either way and i think it is just up to her to make the choice. I cant even imagine the pain of walking around carrying a baby youd give up for adoption, not being able to tell people its a rape baby. Then again the feeling of emptiness after abortion must be just as bad. Good luck to her, and fuck the wanker who caused this.
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The kid will go feeling unwanted, and this could scar the kid, leaving it with all kinds of personal problems.
NOBODY should have their chance at life taken away, you don't know how the baby's life will go on after birth, so you cant speak on it.
Yet you are not the one choosing, and neither am I. I can just say that if a mother feels that it is best to have an abortion, I can't say shit. I would not want my unborn child aborted, but I am not one to take that away from someone else. Now there is a way I think that science could end abortion according to the law, and if this argument was used, then legally I could understand why abortion should be illegalized. But personally, since I'm not going to let my unborn child be aborted, then I see no reason to get in others business.
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it is all a matter of personal choice.. people will do it regardless of what other say and do.... even if it was outlaw.. women would find a way... hire someone to do it.... do it themselves.. with the old coat hanger trick..... at least.. allow abortion.. makes it safe.. for those women who dont hold religious values...
It's not a personal choice. It's not her choice, it's the baby's choice. She's killing another human being, that's murder, anyway you look at it. How hard is this to comprehend? She's killing somebody, there's no excuse for that. Because some guy raped her, she makes it all better by killing a baby? What kind of sick, twisted fucked up logic is that? It's a bad situation, and I feel bad for her, but killing the baby because it's an inconvienance to her makes it even worse.
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it is all a matter of personal choice.. people will do it regardless of what other say and do.... even if it was outlaw.. women would find a way... hire someone to do it.... do it themselves.. with the old coat hanger trick..... at least.. allow abortion.. makes it safe.. for those women who dont hold religious values...
It's not a personal choice. It's not her choice, it's the baby's choice. She's killing another human being, that's murder, anyway you look at it. How hard is this to comprehend? She's killing somebody, there's no excuse for that. Because some guy raped her, she makes it all better by killing a baby? What kind of sick, twisted fucked up logic is that? It's a bad situation, and I feel bad for her, but killing the baby because it's an inconvienance to her makes it even worse.
This coming from a man that has never been raped, pregenate, or even a parent at all. When your sister is raped, and you start to think if she was pregenate, then you maybe can talk. I will just say that until you understand, which as men we never will, then we can talk, but as men we can never understand. We don't even go threw PMS, and we don't have to go threw labor. We don't bond with a child like a mother, we can never understand, so Trauma, I suggest you stay quit, or come up with a good reason why. I know a reason why you save the child, but until you, or any other pro-life person tells me, and until this reason is argued to illegalize abortion, then and only then will I even think about agreeing. But no one gets it, and the best part is, that no one can fight this law, no one can even argue it. And it's not moral, it's legal, and no one gets it. So I'll keep myself out of this until you can think of an intellegent answer.
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it is all a matter of personal choice.. people will do it regardless of what other say and do.... even if it was outlaw.. women would find a way... hire someone to do it.... do it themselves.. with the old coat hanger trick..... at least.. allow abortion.. makes it safe.. for those women who dont hold religious values...
It's not a personal choice. It's not her choice, it's the baby's choice. She's killing another human being, that's murder, anyway you look at it. How hard is this to comprehend? She's killing somebody, there's no excuse for that. Because some guy raped her, she makes it all better by killing a baby? What kind of sick, twisted fucked up logic is that? It's a bad situation, and I feel bad for her, but killing the baby because it's an inconvienance to her makes it even worse.
well, it is a matter of the womens choice at the end... because... she will either go thought or back out of it.. thereforth her choice....
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the mother should die not the baby
that wouldnt do anything for anyone dude...i swear all you ever do is say people should die ::)
anywayz...i think she should have the choice...if you have a choice between bringing a baby in this world and not having it raised properly or not at all i would say not at all...
read my whole fucking post asshole... i said if a girl wanted to fuck a guy and she did but didnt want to use a condom and got pregnant and not cuzz she got raped... and didnt want the baby so she was getting an abortion... that is fucking dumb and the mother should die not the baby... but if she got raped its a different story... then its ok IMO
which leads me to another thing... putting the kid up for adaption isnt the best thing to do i got a friend who is adopted and she always wonder about her real family and real mom... she cries about it and everything i have been there for her and shit i see the pain she goes through and its sad... but hey i dont care im not a girl fuck it...
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Abortion is illegal over here. The girls have to go to england for it.
As for trauma...its not really killing another human being...even if the baby can smile etc it hasn't seen life, it hasn't "been". While it is horrible to think of abortion, i think the mothers rights override those of an unborn fetus.
Oh and you saying killing another human being is murder no matter what way you look at it. You didnt say that when we discussed the death penalty ;) Anyway thats beside the point. I believe casual abortion is wrong but should be a legal option for the mother in certain circumstances.