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Lifestyle => Train of Thought => Topic started by: Now_Im_Not_Banned on March 14, 2007, 12:18:34 PM
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No dude... Israel has the solution... their peace proposal is called "BOMBING AND KILLING FOR PEACE"
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This just goes to show that pictures and videos can be dug up to show whatever you want... it makes no difference... the underlying root cause of the problem is the same... and that is Israel's unjustified actions from the start of their displacing the Palestinian population and stealing the land to create their own Jewish state.
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^^Do you know that a lot of Palestinians kill themselves/their children and act like Israelis did it, then send out pics to media outlets? Or the ones who purposely run out provoking the Israeli soldiers to shoot them so that they can die to set an example...Not saying that's the case, but people have been dying on both sides. Does it justify the video I posted though? Like I said before, your logic sucks. "Things are bad, so lets make them worse!" I'm not even talking about the conflict anymore, just the mindset you have...If you have something to say about the video, say it. If you're just gunna try to justify it like you did in the other thread, then what's the point? You can start your own thread for the pics you posted, I'm sure everyone already knows that both sides have taken hits...
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^^Do you know that a lot of Palestinians kill themselves/their children and act like Israelis did it, then send out pics to media outlets? Or the ones who purposely run out provoking the Israeli soldiers to shoot them so that they can die to set an example...Not saying that's the case, but people have been dying on both sides. Does it justify the video I posted though? Like I said before, your logic sucks. "Things are bad, so lets make them worse!" I'm not even talking about the conflict anymore, just the mindset you have...If you have something to say about the video, say it. If you're just gunna try to justify it like you did in the other thread, then what's the point? You can start your own thread for the pics you posted, I'm sure everyone already knows that both sides have taken hits...
You have no room to talk about logic.
LOL @ you labeling the Palestinian mentality/actions as: "things are bad, so let's make them worse".... you don't know shit about the history of the conflict. That's all there is to it.
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I say, gas the kikes again. It's about time somebody did it. And honestly, is there anyone who would miss the Jews besides the kikes themselves? They're so fuckin ugly.
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lol that video talks about palestinian properganda, but it is filled with more properganda than Der Ewige Jude. it talks about poor israelis having to be searched when they go into places, risk their lives when they take transport etc. it is true there is a slight risk, but what about the daily risk of living in palestinian territories? they don't even have to leave their home to be in far greater risk, what about the jewish children being taught all palestinians are terrorists.
at the end of the day both sides use properganda, but anyone with an ounce of intelligence can make their own judgements to see through the smoke and mirrors. The IDF is the biggest terrorist organisation in the middle east and the palestinian militants are a consequence of continued occupation and provocation. At the end of the day Israel IS a failed state, without the billions of dollars in aid from america it could not continue its iron grip on the occupied territories, it could not blunder itself into war with lebonan and the whole world would be a much safer place, this is some big ego shit - jews could have their crappy country and accept its internationally recognised boarders, give the palestinians hope and a chance to prosper with that the hate will fade away. currently they have nothing which means they have nothing to lose so the fire will just keep getting hotter...............
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Seems like a good chunk of this section is biased and only see things from one point of view...It's funny how all these threads always turn into how whack the Jews are and how they've somehow forced the Arabs into these circumstances.
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It's funny how all these threads always turn into how whack the Jews are and how they've somehow forced the Arabs into these circumstances.
Speaking for myself, I didn't make one negative comment about Jews.
Yes, "they" (Zionists) have forced them into these circumstances.
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Yes, "they" (Zionists) have forced them into these circumstances.
This is the problem...If they didn't think like you, maybe they'd find better ways to resolve the problem instead of brainwashing children into thinking the wrong things. It's a cycle thats being pushed from both sides, I just think it's sad that you can't see that... Do Israelis force some Palestinians to suffer? Yes. Do they force them to turn the situations even worse by doing pathetic shit like this? Of course not, that's ridiculous...They're not retarded children, they can be held accountable for their own actions you know. Just like I don't hold the little Arab kids accountable for what's being done, I don't hold the Israelis accountable either. ITS THE PEOPLE BEHIND THESE BRAINWASHINGS THAT ARE ACCOUNTABLE! This thread is about how Palestinians REACT, not about what causes those reactions. Like I said, I'm sure most people already know the basics of the conflict, but you should also know that evil doesn't only come from one angle...Which evil are we discussing in this thread? There's really nothing that I wanna debate in here, that's all. I don't think anything needs to be argued, I just think differently than you do. You think these Arabs were forced to do these things, and I think they themselves should be held accountable for their own actions. No need to go on about the wars and the creation of Israel and so forth...Fuck, I probably just ethered myself again, huh? ::)
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Why is this issue so complicated? Seriously though why can't Jews and Palestinians split the land with Palestinians not getting the shit land they have now?
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Why is this issue so complicated? Seriously though why can't Jews and Palestinians split the land with Palestinians not getting the shit land they have now?
Would California split the land with Mexico if they started coming here and bombing themselves? I dunno, but I'm glad that Mexicans are at least more rational than that...
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Why is this issue so complicated? Seriously though why can't Jews and Palestinians split the land with Palestinians not getting the shit land they have now?
Would California split the land with Mexico if they started coming here and bombing themselves? I dunno, but I'm glad that Mexicans are at least more rational than that...
Kuz they took the Mexican's land like 150 years ago. This shit is still recent.
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Why is this issue so complicated? Seriously though why can't Jews and Palestinians split the land with Palestinians not getting the shit land they have now?
Would California split the land with Mexico if they started coming here and bombing themselves? I dunno, but I'm glad that Mexicans are at least more rational than that...
The fact that you make that comparison only portrays your ignorance by showing that you have no knowledge about the conflict at all.
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Why is this issue so complicated? Seriously though why can't Jews and Palestinians split the land with Palestinians not getting the shit land they have now?
Would California split the land with Mexico if they started coming here and bombing themselves? I dunno, but I'm glad that Mexicans are at least more rational than that...
The fact that you make that comparison only portrays your ignorance by showing that you have no knowledge about the conflict at all.
I didn't say it was the same situation, but shit like this has happened throughout history, and Israelis were actually GIVEN the land by its rightful owners. White people killed way more people and used more brutality against the Native Americans right off the bat when taking this land, and nobody even officially handed it over to them...
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Why is this issue so complicated? Seriously though why can't Jews and Palestinians split the land with Palestinians not getting the shit land they have now?
Would California split the land with Mexico if they started coming here and bombing themselves? I dunno, but I'm glad that Mexicans are at least more rational than that...
The fact that you make that comparison only portrays your ignorance by showing that you have no knowledge about the conflict at all.
I didn't say it was the same situation, but shit like this has happened throughout history, and Israelis were actually GIVEN the land by its rightful owners. White people killed way more people and used more brutality against the Native Americans right off the bat when taking this land, and nobody even officially handed it over to them...
LMFAO... holy shit... "Israelis were actually GIVEN the land by its rightful owners".... LOLLLL... I'm really eager to hear who these rightful owners were
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Why is this issue so complicated? Seriously though why can't Jews and Palestinians split the land with Palestinians not getting the shit land they have now?
Would California split the land with Mexico if they started coming here and bombing themselves? I dunno, but I'm glad that Mexicans are at least more rational than that...
The fact that you make that comparison only portrays your ignorance by showing that you have no knowledge about the conflict at all.
I didn't say it was the same situation, but shit like this has happened throughout history, and Israelis were actually GIVEN the land by its rightful owners. White people killed way more people and used more brutality against the Native Americans right off the bat when taking this land, and nobody even officially handed it over to them...
LMFAO... holy shit... "Israelis were actually GIVEN the land by its rightful owners".... LOLLLL... I'm really eager to hear who these rightful owners were
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The British gave the land to the Jews, I dunno what's so classic about that...
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I'm sorry to inform you, but due to your lack of knowledge and your need to oversimplify complex matters, you unfortunately got that answer wrong. Try again.
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That's what I've learned...If it's wrong, then it's wrong, but I was definitely under the impression that it was a FACT that the Brits handed the land over to the Jews. I don't major in politics and I don't study this shit like you do, because a good portion of it is bullshit anyways...I used to care, but I really don't anymore. It wont help my life and it doesn't entertain me... I now only comment on what I see. So tell me, since you know better, is this just a false belief amongst people?
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That's what I've learned...If it's wrong, then it's wrong, but I was definitely under the impression that it was a FACT that the Brits handed the land over to the Jews. I don't major in politics and I don't study this shit like you do, because a good portion of it is bullshit anyways...I used to care, but I really don't anymore. It wont help my life and it doesn't entertain me... I now only comment on what I see. So tell me, since you know better, is this just a false belief amongst people?
At least you admit that you lack the knowledge to argue, so spare us the time, and stop trying.
But anyways, I personally don't know anyone that holds that belief... you would have to be very misinformed to actually think that it was just a case of the Brits handing land over to Israel.
Well that's the end of that. Peace.
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That's what I've learned...If it's wrong, then it's wrong, but I was definitely under the impression that it was a FACT that the Brits handed the land over to the Jews. I don't major in politics and I don't study this shit like you do, because a good portion of it is bullshit anyways...I used to care, but I really don't anymore. It wont help my life and it doesn't entertain me... I now only comment on what I see. So tell me, since you know better, is this just a false belief amongst people?
At least you admit that you lack the knowledge to argue, so spare us the time, and stop trying.
But anyways, I personally don't know anyone that holds that belief... you would have to be very misinformed to actually think that it was just a case of the Brits handing land over to Israel.
Well that's the end of that. Peace.
I only debate what I know and what I see...It's always been like that. You're the one tryna twist it into me being a dumbass because I don't care about politics as much as you do. You've never heard about the British having rights to the land and giving it to the Jews? Damn, that's pretty shocking. Do some searches, that's a common belief. This "rumor" musta stemmed from something...
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I know what you're referring to. But again, you're ignoring the facts on the ground, and oversimplifying things, which has led you to reach that conclusion. It's not a rumor... just misinformation. To "simplify" it, the Jews were fighting the British in Palestine prior to 1948... to the point that the British just left... so no, the British didn't "give" the land to anyone. The establishment of Israel came as a result of Zionist forces fighting the indigenous Arab Palestinian population. This included massacres (ex: Deir Yassin... do some searches)
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So the British didn't have any rights to the land?
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So the British didn't have any rights to the land?
Mandate system post World War I. Do a search. Read.
It was under British control. But Israel wasn't established in 1948 as a result of the British giving them the land for a country.
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So the British didn't have any rights to the land?
Mandate system post World War I. Do a search. Read.
It was under British control. But Israel wasn't established in 1948 as a result of the British giving them the land for a country.
I don't wanna read into it, because it doesn't interest, benefit, or entertain me...Not anymore at least. That's why I'm asking you, cuz I remember learning different. I believe it was even in my high school history textbook, but I can barely remember that far back.
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Seems like a good chunk of this section is biased and only see things from one point of view...It's funny how all these threads always turn into how whack the Jews are and how they've somehow forced the Arabs into these circumstances.
come on its not biuased to think israel have caused this situation, i came to that conclusion by listening to the arguments from both sides - this is called judgement. if i were biased i wouldn't even listen to the israeli point of view, i listenned a whole lot chump I probably listenned more than you, I've been to auchwitz, I watch the news about the isaelis having to use their bomb shelters, I watch the rabbis video i geezy posted, I watch documentaries which cover both sides. so don't talk to me about being biased.
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So the British didn't have any rights to the land?
we had a 20 year year mandate after we took it from the germans, its hardly what u call owning the land, during the time of british control which tried to keep the arabs and the jews seperate, Britain was concerned about the number of jews trying to enter palestine because of the increased tensions it was creating so we turned a number of boats away which were carrying jews to palestine.When our mandate expired we didn't have the appetitie to stay so we just upped n left(we had had enough of fighting of the ww2, much of which we were fighting on our own, america didn't join in until half way through) fighting broke out between both sides and the UN decided on the particition plan after alot of arm twisting from the USA, neither side really accepted the partition and you can probably fill in the blanks from there..........
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So the British didn't have any rights to the land?
Mandate system post World War I. Do a search. Read.
It was under British control. But Israel wasn't established in 1948 as a result of the British giving them the land for a country.
I don't wanna read into it, because it doesn't interest, benefit, or entertain me...
There's something extremely contradictory about your posts. If the issue doesn't entertain you, or interest or benefit you, then why do you bother debating it all the time?
As for you condemning the actions of these Palestinans brainwashing their children... Do you have any rational arguments for that? Because apart from culturally determined moral issues, I don't see how brainwashing is necessarily a bad thing. In fact, we might have been better off if we didn't hang on to free speech and liberty so much - if we'd all been brainwashed, that is.
I just can't rationally agree with you on this. Perhaps in a 'free world' brainwashing would be unacceptable, but living in a 'free world' is psychologically and sociologically impossible. One man's freedom ends where another man's freedom begins. And on top of that, influence is all around us. You can't stop that. Purposely brainwashing children would probably only add to their internal balance, making them live happier lives.
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I don't see how brainwashing is necessarily a bad thing. Purposely brainwashing children would probably only add to their internal balance, making them live happier lives.
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NOT ANYMORE ITS GONNA BE DA BLOODZ TAKEOVER
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I don't see how brainwashing is necessarily a bad thing. Purposely brainwashing children would probably only add to their internal balance, making them live happier lives.
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That's right, pick out one line, ignore the rest of the post, ignore the explanation, ignore common sense, don't even consider the facts, and blindly follow the morals your culture taught you.
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I don't see how brainwashing is necessarily a bad thing. Purposely brainwashing children would probably only add to their internal balance, making them live happier lives.
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That's right, pick out one line, ignore the rest of the post, ignore the explanation, ignore common sense, don't even consider the facts, and blindly follow the morals your culture taught you.
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LOL...You don't deserve someone taking you seriously.
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I've had both. :-* And stop talking about Kobe in a homosexual manner, you sick fuck.
I'm not the one who's demonstrated a homosexual obsession with him. You've also had ZERO pussy, stop lying.
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I've had both. :-* And stop talking about Kobe in a homosexual manner, you sick fuck.
I'm not the one who's demonstrated a homosexual obsession with him. You've also had ZERO pussy, stop lying.
LOL@this pathatlogical liar thinking everyone leads the same life as him.
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I don't see how brainwashing is necessarily a bad thing. Purposely brainwashing children would probably only add to their internal balance, making them live happier lives.
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That's right, pick out one line, ignore the rest of the post, ignore the explanation, ignore common sense, don't even consider the facts, and blindly follow the morals your culture taught you.
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LOL...You don't deserve someone taking you seriously.
^^ You would make a terrible philosopher, simply because you fail to recognise the difference between understanding somebody's logic and actually agreeing with them, or validating the actions. And I'm afraid, that's what makes you such a hopeless case when it comes to debating. There's just no point.
So once again right now, you're basically claiming your culture is "right", and others are by definition "wrong"? Everyone should live by your values, because if they don't, they're "wrong"?
Dude. Snap out of that dream and activate your brain a little. Culture is relative, and there is no right or wrong when it comes to that, because it's all based on prejudice. When you were a kid, you were raised by a set of moral values that determine how you look at the world now. That plays a huge role in who you are today, and even though it's plain to see how your parents failed you as you're the most close-minded person I ever heard of, even that's not necessarily wrong. It's all relative, and that's just you.
What I'm saying is this: everything you do, say, or think is connected to these moral values you were raised with. So is your acceptance towards people who think differently. It takes some adaptation power to put yourself in someone else's situation and judge their actions through their set of moral values. It may even take more adaptation power to put yourself in a non-existant set of moral values, and thus I can barely blame you for lacking the ability to do just that.
I painted a (hopefully) non-existant picture of a wholly brainwashed world, considering the rights or wrongs of that by comparing it to the general goal of the western society (assuming that is happiness and joy). My conclusion is that brainwashing isn't necessarily harmful to society, or mankind at that. The outcome might be positive, even though that's not the way we currently view brainwashing.
Now, before you start making an ass of yourself, consider this. For everything I post, I've made a careful consideration of the pros and cons. The outcome is always critical, and you're right to disagree at any time. Just know that I'm not talking out of my ass when you disagree with my opinion. I think before I post. We may differ, but that's it. Don't even call my opinion unworthy, just because it won't always match your personal set of moral values. That's what would make you not deserve anyone taking you seriously.
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NIK where u live?im probably comin to LA this summer and i would love to beat the shit out of u, i swear to god i will even pay u to show up.what do u say?we can even film that shit and put it up on dubcc!
i dont dislike u,it just seems like u need a good asswhoopin
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NIK where u live?im probably comin to LA this summer and i would love to beat the shit out of u, i swear to god i will even pay u to show up.what do u say?we can even film that shit and put it up on dubcc!
i dont dislike u,it just seems like u need a good asswhoopin
SFV...Don't bring rocks.
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I don't see how brainwashing is necessarily a bad thing. Purposely brainwashing children would probably only add to their internal balance, making them live happier lives.
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That's right, pick out one line, ignore the rest of the post, ignore the explanation, ignore common sense, don't even consider the facts, and blindly follow the morals your culture taught you.
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LOL...You don't deserve someone taking you seriously.
^^ You would make a terrible philosopher, simply because you fail to recognise the difference between understanding somebody's logic and actually agreeing with them, or validating the actions. And I'm afraid, that's what makes you such a hopeless case when it comes to debating. There's just no point.
So once again right now, you're basically claiming your culture is "right", and others are by definition "wrong"? Everyone should live by your values, because if they don't, they're "wrong"?
Dude. Snap out of that dream and activate your brain a little. Culture is relative, and there is no right or wrong when it comes to that, because it's all based on prejudice. When you were a kid, you were raised by a set of moral values that determine how you look at the world now. That plays a huge role in who you are today, and even though it's plain to see how your parents failed you as you're the most close-minded person I ever heard of, even that's not necessarily wrong. It's all relative, and that's just you.
What I'm saying is this: everything you do, say, or think is connected to these moral values you were raised with. So is your acceptance towards people who think differently. It takes some adaptation power to put yourself in someone else's situation and judge their actions through their set of moral values. It may even take more adaptation power to put yourself in a non-existant set of moral values, and thus I can barely blame you for lacking the ability to do just that.
I painted a (hopefully) non-existant picture of a wholly brainwashed world, considering the rights or wrongs of that by comparing it to the general goal of the western society (assuming that is happiness and joy). My conclusion is that brainwashing isn't necessarily harmful to society, or mankind at that. The outcome might be positive, even though that's not the way we currently view brainwashing.
Now, before you start making an ass of yourself, consider this. For everything I post, I've made a careful consideration of the pros and cons. The outcome is always critical, and you're right to disagree at any time. Just know that I'm not talking out of my ass when you disagree with my opinion. I think before I post. We may differ, but that's it. Don't even call my opinion unworthy, just because it won't always match your personal set of moral values. That's what would make you not deserve anyone taking you seriously.
Where did I say anything about culture? A good portion of the shit you're saying is just pretty much pathetic and morally wrong...That's all. I've even highlighted it for you. Read it over and over until you understand why.
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Now, before you start making an ass of yourself, consider this. For everything I post, I've made a careful consideration of the pros and cons. The outcome is always critical, and you're right to disagree at any time. Just know that I'm not talking out of my ass when you disagree with my opinion. I think before I post. We may differ, but that's it. Don't even call my opinion unworthy, just because it won't always match your personal set of moral values. That's what would make you not deserve anyone taking you seriously.
What's so hard to understand about that?
Where did I say anything about culture? A good portion of the shit you're saying is just pretty much pathetic and morally wrong...That's all. I've even highlighted it for you. Read it over and over until you understand why.
Where did you mention culture? You never literally mentioned it, but in line with your habit of oversimplifying things, you just so happened to forget about its influence on opinion, which was - as far as I know - the subject of our discussion.
So my words are pretty much pathetic and morally wrong... That's an insightful opinion, with some great backing up there ::)
And now that you've called my words pathetic and morally wrong, I'm afraid this discussion has come to an end. With you refusing to let go of your tunnel vision, it has become pointless to continue.
Peace.
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I can't take you serious, also based on the fact that you pull bullshit assumptions out your ass. My culture has no influence on my way of thinking...I am not that type of person. I judge what I see...PeACe
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My culture has no influence on my way of thinking
That's a worthy classic, LMAO. Thanks for going out with a bang :D
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My culture has no influence on my way of thinking
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That's a worthy classic, LMAO. Thanks for going out with a bang :D
LMFAO :-X :D :laugh: ;D
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^^naa rather: (http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/782/cmdcartmanlaughff3.gif) (http://imageshack.us)
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I can honestly say that it's true...I hold BOTH sides responsible for what's going on, most Israelis don't think that way. Ya'll are the punks making false assumptions and holding a one-sided view on things. And 11z takes it to the extreme, saying some of the dumbest and morally disturbing things I've ever heard.
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LOL@this pathatlogical liar thinking everyone leads the same life as him.
LOL @ you for coming up with such lame comebacks. It is FACT that you repeatedly post about Kobe in a dickriding manner bordering on homosexual obsession, whereas I never say jack shit about the nigga.
So...in typical NIK fashion, lemme guess, next comeback is "Get off my nuts?" How's that for psychological projection?
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LOL@this pathatlogical liar thinking everyone leads the same life as him.
LOL @ you for coming up with such lame comebacks. It is FACT that you repeatedly post about Kobe in a dickriding manner bordering on homosexual obsession, whereas I never say jack shit about the nigga.
So...in typical NIK fashion, lemme guess, next comeback is "Get off my nuts?" How's that for psychological projection?
I'm a LAKER fan, son. Other people on here are WAY more obsessed with Kobe as an individual player than I can ever be...Stop with your fantasies, making gay connections with my posts and Kobe, that's actually quite disturbing on its own my nigs.
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^^^^ They aren't fantasies in the least little bit. More like valid observations.
BTW, ever notice how most kikes are skinny lil bitches? They look like they'd break apart if you pushed them to the floor. No wonder the kikes hide behind the U.S. government; they're such pussies on their own. Lame-ass muh'fuckas.
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^^^^ They aren't fantasies in the least little bit. More like valid observations.
BTW, ever notice how most kikes are skinny lil bitches? They look like they'd break apart if you pushed them to the floor. No wonder the kikes hide behind the U.S. government; they're such pussies on their own. Lame-ass muh'fuckas.
I've seen way more lanky black dudes than I've seen lanky Jews...You're neither, so stfu already.