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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: GangstaBoogy on May 07, 2007, 12:55:40 PM
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...do you think Kobe could win then?
I'm asking because it's obvious that these journalist are never going to give him the MVP (till he's old, falling off, and they feel bad for robbing him throughout the years), but all throughout the season players have been saying Kobe should win it. Nowitzki, Lebron, Amare, Nate Robinson, etc etc etc all feel he's the real MVP of the league.
Speak!
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Steve Nash.
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no.
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Steve Nash.
You really think this? LMAO. Shows how stupid you really are...
Pretty much alll the players who've played against Kobe have said he was by far the best. It's not even a question who would win the MVP if the players voted.
"Kobe's the best player on the planet"
-Mike D'Antoni
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yea i think kobe would get it
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if the players were to vote for the MVP they'd vote for Dirk or nash. or the majority of them would , because they know what the MVP trophy really is. it's not the "Player of the Year" trophy , it's the "leader of the Year" trophy. what did the Mavs Do? Who was their Leader? Dirk. What did the suns do? who was their leader? Nash. What did the Lakers do.... Who was their leader? Kobe.
the mavs were the best team in the league, then for a while they looked to equal or eclipse the Bulls' season win record. >>> to what the Lakers did.
the Suns were the Second best team in the league, and still to this day look like they can't play at that level without him. >>>>> to what the lakers did.
the lakers , like the suns are a team who are co-dependant on one superstar. however the suns win with nash more often than not. the lakers can win, but eventually lose with kobe more often than they should have to.
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Steve Nash.
You really think this? LMAO. Shows how stupid you really are...
Pretty much alll the players who've played against Kobe have said he was by far the best. It's not even a question who would win the MVP if the players voted.
"Kobe's the best player on the planet"
-Mike D'Antoni
Lol damn it's just his opinion. I think Kobe would get it though
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if the players were to vote for the MVP they'd vote for Dirk or nash. or the majority of them would , because they know what the MVP trophy really is. it's not the "Player of the Year" trophy , it's the "leader of the Year" trophy.
Wow! So Dirk is the "leader of the Year"? Mmmm..
Or you wanna sell me he was been the leader of the year from the 1st to the 82nd game of the season and he became a bitch from the 83rd to the 88th? See, that's why those type of trophies are really stupid and most of the times you make a fool of yourself by giving it to a guy who still has to win the games that really matters. I think they should rename it to "Best Player in the League" trophy and stick with it. Fuck the record, fuck all this bullshit. Who's the best one? Kobe? Ok, Kobe gets it. Then they should give the MVP trophy to the leader of the team who wins the NBA. So you have two good thophies and you celebrate both the best player and the most decisive to win the title.
What's the point having an MVP of the regular season who's 90% of the times different from the MVP of the PlayOff? It's just a couple of extra games, not a whole different season. Just give it to the leader of the championship team. And give a Best Player type of trophy after the regular season to the best player.
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Steve Nash.
You really think this? LMAO. Shows how stupid you really are...
Pretty much alll the players who've played against Kobe have said he was by far the best. It's not even a question who would win the MVP if the players voted.
"Kobe's the best player on the planet"
-Mike D'Antoni
What is wrong with you kid?
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if the players were to vote for the MVP they'd vote for Dirk or nash. or the majority of them would , because they know what the MVP trophy really is. it's not the "Player of the Year" trophy , it's the "leader of the Year" trophy. what did the Mavs Do? Who was their Leader? Dirk. What did the suns do? who was their leader? Nash. What did the Lakers do.... Who was their leader? Kobe.
the mavs were the best team in the league, then for a while they looked to equal or eclipse the Bulls' season win record. >>> to what the Lakers did.
the Suns were the Second best team in the league, and still to this day look like they can't play at that level without him. >>>>> to what the lakers did.
the lakers , like the suns are a team who are co-dependant on one superstar. however the suns win with nash more often than not. the lakers can win, but eventually lose with kobe more often than they should have to.
Only JOURNALISTS use that excuse, so that they can manipulate who they want the MVP to be. Every player says Kobe is the best on the planet. Everyone knows Kobe is the PLAYERS MVP. In fact, that's one of his nicknames...PeACe
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Steve Nash.
You really think this? LMAO. Shows how stupid you really are...
Pretty much alll the players who've played against Kobe have said he was by far the best. It's not even a question who would win the MVP if the players voted.
"Kobe's the best player on the planet"
-Mike D'Antoni
Lol damn it's just his opinion. I think Kobe would get it though
It's not an opinion, if he really thinks the players who play against Kobe and Nash would pick Nash as the MVP, he is either INSANE or has not paid any attention to the league in the past 3-4 years.
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I think they should rename it to "Best Player in the League" trophy and stick with it.
That's what most valuable means...It's the fans and journalists who made up the excuse of it being "best player on best team"...And even if it was reserved for the best player on the best team, WHY THE HELL WOULD NASH GET IT? :-X
Kobe shouldn't have won it last year with that historic season? Moses Malone won it with the same record as the Lakers... :-\
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i highly doubt he would get it even if the players voted
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i highly doubt he would get it even if the players voted
Are you paying any attention? He's ALREADY the best as far as the players are concerned...Every player who speaks out to the media says Kobe is the best, way ahead of the rest. It's not really up for debate...
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i highly doubt he would get it even if the players voted
Are you paying any attention? He's ALREADY the best as far as the players are concerned...Every player who speaks out to the media says Kobe is the best, way ahead of the rest. It's not really up for debate...
so it's a proven fact that everybody if not most think hes the best? did you do that survey yourself or what? its one thing to say he's the best in front of cameras and journalists it's another thing to actually vote for him.
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i highly doubt he would get it even if the players voted
Are you paying any attention? He's ALREADY the best as far as the players are concerned...Every player who speaks out to the media says Kobe is the best, way ahead of the rest. It's not really up for debate...
so it's a proven fact that everybody if not most think hes the best? did you do that survey yourself or what? its one thing to say he's the best in front of cameras and journalists it's another thing to actually vote for him.
It's a proven fact that out of all the players questioned as to who is the best player in the league, Kobe has been picked by pretty much everyone...Kobe is known as "The Players' MVP".
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i highly doubt he would get it even if the players voted
Are you paying any attention? He's ALREADY the best as far as the players are concerned...Every player who speaks out to the media says Kobe is the best, way ahead of the rest. It's not really up for debate...
so it's a proven fact that everybody if not most think hes the best? did you do that survey yourself or what? its one thing to say he's the best in front of cameras and journalists it's another thing to actually vote for him.
It's a proven fact that out of all the players questioned as to who is the best player in the league, Kobe has been picked by pretty much everyone...Kobe is known as "The Players' MVP".
proven....huh? do you have numbers? anything to support this "suppose" proven fact. how many people have been questioned about this anyway? 40......50?
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i highly doubt he would get it even if the players voted
Are you paying any attention? He's ALREADY the best as far as the players are concerned...Every player who speaks out to the media says Kobe is the best, way ahead of the rest. It's not really up for debate...
so it's a proven fact that everybody if not most think hes the best? did you do that survey yourself or what? its one thing to say he's the best in front of cameras and journalists it's another thing to actually vote for him.
It's a proven fact that out of all the players questioned as to who is the best player in the league, Kobe has been picked by pretty much everyone...Kobe is known as "The Players' MVP".
proven....huh? do you have numbers? anything to support this "suppose" proven fact. how many people have been questioned about this anyway? 40......50?
Proven? LOL. You're joking, right? If you've been watching/listening to player interviews, you'd see that the players usually pick Kobe as not just the best, but the CLEAR CUT best. I didn't save all those interviews on my computer and I'm not about to go dig 'em up...But you can check for yourself.
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Just because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.
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Just because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.
They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.
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Just because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.
They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.
I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.
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Just because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.
They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.
I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.
Kobe had to score 50+ points in 4 straight games just for the Lakers to barely beat teams like Memphis/Portland. Take him off the team and the Lakers would probably lose damn near every game. Him just being on the court is what gives them a chance. If thats not the MVP please tell me what is...
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Just because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.
They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.
Seriously though...The MVP is not a team award. Kobe had the best individual season. And 10-20 years down the road, everyone will laugh at Nash being the 2006 MVP, because Kobe did some amazing shit that was unheard of that season. League leading scorer at 35 PPG, 1st team all defense, 1st All-NBA, top 10 steals, 81 point game, 62 in 3 quarters (outscoring Mavs), all-star MVP, single-handedly willing his team to the playoffs etc. etc. etc...Kobe ---BY FAR--- has been the best player in the league as far as individual accomplishments go in these past few seasons...Like Antonio said, MVP is NOT reserved for the best player on the best team...That is what the FINALS MVP is for...PeACe
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Just because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.
They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.
I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.
Kobe had to score 50+ points in 4 straight games just for the Lakers to barely beat teams like Memphis/Portland. Take him off the team and the Lakers would probably lose damn near every game. Him just being on the court is what gives them a chance. If thats not the MVP please tell me what is...
A player that can lead his team past the 1st round of the playoffs.
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Just because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.
They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.
I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.
Kobe had to score 50+ points in 4 straight games just for the Lakers to barely beat teams like Memphis/Portland. Take him off the team and the Lakers would probably lose damn near every game. Him just being on the court is what gives them a chance. If thats not the MVP please tell me what is...
A player that can lead his team past the 1st round of the playoffs.
Its a regular season award.
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if the players were to vote for the MVP they'd vote for Dirk or nash. or the majority of them would , because they know what the MVP trophy really is. it's not the "Player of the Year" trophy , it's the "leader of the Year" trophy.
Wow! So Dirk is the "leader of the Year"? Mmmm..
Or you wanna sell me he was been the leader of the year from the 1st to the 82nd game of the season and he became a bitch from the 83rd to the 88th? See, that's why those type of trophies are really stupid and most of the times you make a fool of yourself by giving it to a guy who still has to win the games that really matters. I think they should rename it to "Best Player in the League" trophy and stick with it. Fuck the record, fuck all this bullshit. Who's the best one? Kobe? Ok, Kobe gets it. Then they should give the MVP trophy to the leader of the team who wins the NBA. So you have two good thophies and you celebrate both the best player and the most decisive to win the title.
What's the point having an MVP of the regular season who's 90% of the times different from the MVP of the PlayOff? It's just a couple of extra games, not a whole different season. Just give it to the leader of the championship team. And give a Best Player type of trophy after the regular season to the best player.
1. yes dirk is the leader of the year ....or nash. whoever out of those two should win it for the regular season.. because the MVP is for the regular season....the post season is a seperate season all together.
2. if you want a best player in the league trophy then petition for it, but until they initiate that trophy the MVP is STILL more than less the LEADER of the year trophy. if it was the best player in the league trophy Jordan would have gotten it every year since 86/87' , but that wasn't the case now was it? same with Wilt, same for any other great, they would have won it every year the played. everyone knew back in the early to mid 90's jordan was the best player in the league....so why did karl malone and charles barkley win it? everyone knew that wilt was better than bill , but why'd bill win it over wilt? it's a leadership trophy .....IMO it makes the award more competetive, and set the mold for players to WIN ....rather than throw up 50 points a night every night......winning is better for the league than selfishness. maybe i'm alone in this though nowadays, but i'd take someone who'd give me a chance of seeding 1, 2, or 3 in the playoffs than someone who goes out and scores 50 points everynight and who we have to stand around and watch. i'd rather give a trophy to someone who makes those around him better than someone who collects all the acclaim, and wins as a byproduct. winning is FIRST imo.
3. the lakers did not WIN late in the season when it counted the most, kobe went on a tyraid....yes, but did the lakers go on any kind of significant streak? yes a LOSING streak. how can you sit back and say that someone who can't lead a team with the best coach and quite a few usefull teammates deserves the trophy over two other guys (regardless of what system they play in) effectively beat and won against elite teams.
4. on your last point.... why give an all star mvp then? no one really plays that game THAT hard, it's meaningless as well but it's a seperate thing from the regular season though. same with the playoffs you dont' give whoever won the championship the overall mvp because , what if the knicks beat the spurs a few years back? you mean to tell me giving (ewing let's say) the mvp is more fair , when he barely lead his team to the 8th seed in the EAST!?!? you mean to tell me that's more logical than giving it to Tim Duncan /Shaq/ ect. who fought harder in the regular season and lead their teams to a higer seed in the next season? what if Baron davis takes the warriors to the finals, you mean to tell me he deserves it over Dirk, Nash, McGrady, Lebron, Kobe, ect??? fuck that . there are two seasons, and every pro player will tell you that they're very different. the REGULAR season and the POST season. Dirk/Nash =Regular season MVP REGARDLESS of the outcome in the playoffs. whoever leads their team to the championship deserves the Playoff MVP.
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Just because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.
They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.
I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.
Kobe had to score 50+ points in 4 straight games just for the Lakers to barely beat teams like Memphis/Portland. Take him off the team and the Lakers would probably lose damn near every game. Him just being on the court is what gives them a chance. If thats not the MVP please tell me what is...
A player that can lead his team past the 1st round of the playoffs.
LOL. Is that why Dirk is getting it this year? Is that why Nash got it last year when he was 1 rebound away from being bounced? Please make valid points, a regular season award has nothing to do with how a team does in the playoffs. And AGAIN, it's an INDIVIDUAL award...PeACe
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i could give two squirts of duck shit, how many points kobe scored, all that is irrelevent when?
-he's done nothing to make his teammates better
-when he went on his little scoring spree the went on losing streaks
-we almost were in a position to get booted out of the playoffs
-he's disappeared in the 4th quarter
-doesn't give his tea mates confidence that they can win
^^^ how can someone like that be considered the MVP
kobe did a better job last year with LESS, that's why we almost beat the suns, because he was acting like an MVP but after the 3rd win he went back to what he naturally is.....a micro-oriented player.
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Just because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.
They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.
I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.
Kobe had to score 50+ points in 4 straight games just for the Lakers to barely beat teams like Memphis/Portland. Take him off the team and the Lakers would probably lose damn near every game. Him just being on the court is what gives them a chance. If thats not the MVP please tell me what is...
A player that can lead his team past the 1st round of the playoffs.
it's an INDIVIDUAL award...PeACe
yeah for an individual who can lead his team to victory.
you mean to tell me that the leader of the 7th seeded team in the west, that barely loafed into the playoffs, and went on a downward spiral at the end of the season should win it?
crazy!?
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if the players were to vote for the MVP they'd vote for Dirk or nash. or the majority of them would , because they know what the MVP trophy really is. it's not the "Player of the Year" trophy , it's the "leader of the Year" trophy.
Wow! So Dirk is the "leader of the Year"? Mmmm..
Or you wanna sell me he was been the leader of the year from the 1st to the 82nd game of the season and he became a bitch from the 83rd to the 88th? See, that's why those type of trophies are really stupid and most of the times you make a fool of yourself by giving it to a guy who still has to win the games that really matters. I think they should rename it to "Best Player in the League" trophy and stick with it. Fuck the record, fuck all this bullshit. Who's the best one? Kobe? Ok, Kobe gets it. Then they should give the MVP trophy to the leader of the team who wins the NBA. So you have two good thophies and you celebrate both the best player and the most decisive to win the title.
What's the point having an MVP of the regular season who's 90% of the times different from the MVP of the PlayOff? It's just a couple of extra games, not a whole different season. Just give it to the leader of the championship team. And give a Best Player type of trophy after the regular season to the best player.
1. yes dirk is the leader of the year ....or nash. whoever out of those two should win it for the regular season.. because the MVP is for the regular season....the post season is a seperate season all together.
2. if you want a best player in the league trophy then petition for it, but until they initiate that trophy the MVP is STILL more than less the LEADER of the year trophy. if it was the best player in the league trophy Jordan would have gotten it every year since 86/87' , but that wasn't the case now was it? same with Wilt, same for any other great, they would have won it every year the played. everyone knew back in the early to mid 90's jordan was the best player in the league....so why did karl malone and charles barkley win it? everyone knew that wilt was better than bill , but why'd bill win it over wilt? it's a leadership trophy .....IMO it makes the award more competetive, and set the mold for players to WIN ....rather than throw up 50 points a night every night......winning is better for the league than selfishness. maybe i'm alone in this though nowadays, but i'd take someone who'd give me a chance of seeding 1, 2, or 3 in the playoffs than someone who goes out and scores 50 points everynight and who we have to stand around and watch. i'd rather give a trophy to someone who makes those around him better than someone who collects all the acclaim, and wins as a byproduct. winning is FIRST imo.
3. the lakers did not WIN late in the season when it counted the most, kobe went on a tyraid....yes, but did the lakers go on any kind of significant streak? yes a LOSING streak. how can you sit back and say that someone who can't lead a team with the best coach and quite a few usefull teammates deserves the trophy over two other guys (regardless of what system they play in) effectively beat and won against elite teams.
4. on your last point.... why give an all star mvp then? no one really plays that game THAT hard, it's meaningless as well but it's a seperate thing from the regular season though. same with the playoffs you dont' give whoever won the championship the overall mvp because , what if the knicks beat the spurs a few years back? you mean to tell me giving (ewing let's say) the mvp is more fair , when he barely lead his team to the 8th seed in the EAST!?!? you mean to tell me that's more logical than giving it to Tim Duncan /Shaq/ ect. who fought harder in the regular season and lead their teams to a higer seed in the next season? what if Baron davis takes the warriors to the finals, you mean to tell me he deserves it over Dirk, Nash, McGrady, Lebron, Kobe, ect??? fuck that . there are two seasons, and every pro player will tell you that they're very different. the REGULAR season and the POST season. Dirk/Nash =Regular season MVP REGARDLESS of the outcome in the playoffs. whoever leads their team to the championship deserves the Playoff MVP.
Because Malone and Barkley had arguably better seasons when they won the MVP...Nash hasn't. It's one thing if Kobe has the supporting cast and is EXPECTED to do some damage in the playoffs...It's another thing when his teammates are comprised of D-League level talent and he leads them to the playoffs. THAT is a leader. Nash is a point guard, he's meant to lead that offense, it doesn't make him an MVP. Dirk is not a great leader, the Lakers would be a lottery team with Dirk instead of Kobe...Those 50 point games are what saved the battered Lakers, Jake, you should know that. Without Kobe, there's no chance we'd be anywhere near the playoffs. Kobe is by far the best player in the league and means the most to his team...Try explaining how that's not an MVP without using the "his team is no good" argument, because that's a cop out. MVP is an INDIVIDUAL award, and no one does it better individually than Kobe.
Didn't you say you wanted Carmelo for Kobe? Come on, Jake...I know you love Shaq, but it's time to steer your love in the right direction, homie...PeACe
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Just because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.
They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.
I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.
Kobe had to score 50+ points in 4 straight games just for the Lakers to barely beat teams like Memphis/Portland. Take him off the team and the Lakers would probably lose damn near every game. Him just being on the court is what gives them a chance. If thats not the MVP please tell me what is...
A player that can lead his team past the 1st round of the playoffs.
it's an INDIVIDUAL award...PeACe
yeah for an individual who can lead his team to victory.
you mean to tell me that the leader of the 7th seeded team in the west, that barely loafed into the playoffs, and went on a downward spiral at the end of the season should win it?
crazy!?
Kobe LEAD his D-League level talent team to the playoffs. Nash or Dirk would NOT have been able to do that. INDIVIDUALLY, Kobe had ___BY FAR___ the best season...Like I said, Moses Malone won the MVP with a record the same as the Lakers.
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-he's done nothing to make his teammates better
He leads the team in assists. And if you watch the Lakers you know his teammates need to be spoon fed (and even when they are Luke/Lamar/Kwame/Evans still have tendencies to miss layups)
-when he went on his little scoring spree the went on losing streaks
Don't get what you're saying here
-we almost were in a position to get booted out of the playoffs
Yeah because 3 of our starters and 2 of our main bench guys were injured at the same time. Kobe was stuck with Andrew Bynum, Brian Cook, Ronny Turiaf, Smush Parker, and Shammond Williams to help him get into the playoffs.
-he's disappeared in the 4th quarter
Of what, one game? When you have to score on damn near every possession night in & night out just for your team to get some points on the board, I'm guessing you'd be pretty worn out by the 4th quarter too.
-doesn't give his tea mates confidence that they can win
I can think of a few times this season that Kobe's given his teammates the ball in big possessions. What about that pass to Brian Cook to send us to O/T against Washington? Or him with that last second pass to Smush Parker to force O/T against the Kings? What more do you want him to do, write them all motivational letters?
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Just because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.
They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.
I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.
Kobe had to score 50+ points in 4 straight games just for the Lakers to barely beat teams like Memphis/Portland. Take him off the team and the Lakers would probably lose damn near every game. Him just being on the court is what gives them a chance. If thats not the MVP please tell me what is...
A player that can lead his team past the 1st round of the playoffs.
LOL. Is that why Dirk is getting it this year? Is that why Nash got it last year when he was 1 rebound away from being bounced? Please make valid points, a regular season award has nothing to do with how a team does in the playoffs. And AGAIN, it's an INDIVIDUAL award...PeACe
Dirk is getting it for a fact? Damn, we so priveledged to have an NBA insider on our very board. Please make valid points.
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-he's done nothing to make his teammates better
He leads the team in assists. And if you watch the Lakers you know his teammates need to be spoon fed (and even when they are Luke/Lamar/Kwame/Evans still have tendencies to miss layups)
-when he went on his little scoring spree the went on losing streaks
Don't get what you're saying here
-we almost were in a position to get booted out of the playoffs
Yeah because 3 of our starters and 2 of our main bench guys were injured at the same time. Kobe was stuck with Andrew Bynum, Brian Cook, Ronny Turiaf, Smush Parker, and Shammond Williams to help him get into the playoffs.
-he's disappeared in the 4th quarter
Of what, one game? When you have to score on damn near every possession night in & night out just for your team to get some points on the board, I'm guessing you'd be pretty worn out by the 4th quarter too.
-doesn't give his tea mates confidence that they can win
I can think of a few times this season that Kobe's given his teammates the ball in big possessions. What about that pass to Brian Cook to send us to O/T against Washington? Or him with that last second pass to Smush Parker to force O/T against the Kings? What more do you want him to do, write them all motivational letters?
1. he leads in assists because the lakers lack a true point guard AND kobe's the one with the ball. i refuse to believe (especially after the begining of the season and the 3 wins in last years playoffs) that the lakers need to be spoon fed. if kobe was a good leader he'd be able to give them the confidence that they obviously lack.
2. when kobe started scoring all these rediculous points after the all star break.....what was the lakers' record, after the all star break i'm talking about??
3. again lack of faith in his players, a leader would be able to facilitate with that and break through in the playoffs, i mean shit we lost to some BAAAD teams this year. also what happened to everyone saying the lakers have awesome players?? now they're bad?? which is it!??
4. if kobe was able to instill confidence in his players like he did in last years playoffs (which he also dissappeared) he wouldn't HAVE to be worn down by the 4th quarter.
5. those are a FEW examples against some PRETTY mediocre teams LOl. wow we shouldn't have even been in those possitions against them if we had the "MVP" on our team. again those are only a FEW examples, they did work yeah, but it's not consistant enough ....that should be OBVIOUS
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Because Malone and Barkley had arguably better seasons when they won the MVP
LOL yah they had better seasons because they LEAD better, not because their numbers were better, jodan had better numbers those years
...Nash hasn't. It's one thing if Kobe has the supporting cast and is EXPECTED to do some damage in the playoffs...It's another thing when his teammates are comprised of D-League level talent and he leads them to the playoffs. THAT is a leader. Nash is a point guard, he's meant to lead that offense, it doesn't make him an MVP.
you must not be a magic johnson fan then , huh. fact of the matter is this , the suns crumble without nash, but soar to HIGH heights with him. the lakers live and die with or without kobe.....that right there says it all
Dirk is not a great leader, the Lakers would be a lottery team with Dirk instead of Kobe...Those 50 point games are what saved the battered Lakers, Jake, you should know that. Without Kobe, there's no chance we'd be anywhere near the playoffs. Kobe is by far the best player in the league and means the most to his team...Try explaining how that's not an MVP without using the "his team is no good" argument, because that's a cop out. MVP is an INDIVIDUAL award, and no one does it better individually than Kobe.
how do we know this? dirk has a team built around him and his style, kobe has a team built around him and his style, if dirk was in LA he wouldn't have the same players around him.....and if he did it's impossible to say whether or not he'd succeed or fail since it hasn't happened and proabbly won't. all i know is the lakers have had more success when kobe had faith in his players. the whole point is kobe shouldn't have to score 50 points for the lakers to win. they should be mentally able as a team not to rely on that, and the blame goes back to kobe since he's the leader. dirk flaked in the first round that is true, but who did he face ,lol , the coach who MADE him a star. bad contingency, not bad leadership
Didn't you say you wanted Carmelo for Kobe? Come on, Jake...I know you love Shaq, but it's time to steer your love in the right direction, homie...PeACe
right now that looks better , aside from his suspention, he's been proving since his rookie season he's capable of taking a low class team to a higher level. the lakers have been bottom feeding since shaq left. i dont' know you do the math
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-he's done nothing to make his teammates better
He leads the team in assists. And if you watch the Lakers you know his teammates need to be spoon fed (and even when they are Luke/Lamar/Kwame/Evans still have tendencies to miss layups)
-when he went on his little scoring spree the went on losing streaks
Don't get what you're saying here
-we almost were in a position to get booted out of the playoffs
Yeah because 3 of our starters and 2 of our main bench guys were injured at the same time. Kobe was stuck with Andrew Bynum, Brian Cook, Ronny Turiaf, Smush Parker, and Shammond Williams to help him get into the playoffs.
-he's disappeared in the 4th quarter
Of what, one game? When you have to score on damn near every possession night in & night out just for your team to get some points on the board, I'm guessing you'd be pretty worn out by the 4th quarter too.
-doesn't give his tea mates confidence that they can win
I can think of a few times this season that Kobe's given his teammates the ball in big possessions. What about that pass to Brian Cook to send us to O/T against Washington? Or him with that last second pass to Smush Parker to force O/T against the Kings? What more do you want him to do, write them all motivational letters?
1. he leads in assists because the lakers lack a true point guard AND kobe's the one with the ball. i refuse to believe (especially after the begining of the season and the 3 wins in last years playoffs) that the lakers need to be spoon fed. if kobe was a good leader he'd be able to give them the confidence that they obviously lack.
2. when kobe started scoring all these rediculous points after the all star break.....what was the lakers' record, after the all star break i'm talking about??
3. again lack of faith in his players, a leader would be able to facilitate with that and break through in the playoffs, i mean shit we lost to some BAAAD teams this year. also what happened to everyone saying the lakers have awesome players?? now they're bad?? which is it!??
4. if kobe was able to instill confidence in his players like he did in last years playoffs (which he also dissappeared) he wouldn't HAVE to be worn down by the 4th quarter.
5. those are a FEW examples against some PRETTY mediocre teams LOl. wow we shouldn't have even been in those possitions against them if we had the "MVP" on our team. again those are only a FEW examples, they did work yeah, but it's not consistant enough ....that should be OBVIOUS
CRAP like that is exactly why Nash is un-deservedly a 2 time MVP. If Kobe's teammates play like ass you can't place all the blame on him just because he's the leader of the team. McGrady had what 29 points & 13 assists in game 7 vs Utah...are you gonna say its his fault they lost that game?
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Nash helps to MAKE his teammates better imo, so that does qualify him as an MVP candidate.
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Steve Nash.
You really think this? LMAO. Shows how stupid you really are...
Pretty much alll the players who've played against Kobe have said he was by far the best. It's not even a question who would win the MVP if the players voted.
"Kobe's the best player on the planet"
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Kobe is definitely the best athlete and the most talented player in the NBA, but he is NOT the most valuable player. As for regular season, its gotta be Nash, Nowitzki, then Kobe. Kobe will get one as soon in the next couple of years though, i am sure of it. He's too good not to, he just has to mature a little.
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Just because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.
They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.
I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.
Kobe had to score 50+ points in 4 straight games just for the Lakers to barely beat teams like Memphis/Portland. Take him off the team and the Lakers would probably lose damn near every game. Him just being on the court is what gives them a chance. If thats not the MVP please tell me what is...
A player that can lead his team past the 1st round of the playoffs.
LOL. Is that why Dirk is getting it this year? Is that why Nash got it last year when he was 1 rebound away from being bounced? Please make valid points, a regular season award has nothing to do with how a team does in the playoffs. And AGAIN, it's an INDIVIDUAL award...PeACe
Enough of this "one rebound" bullshit, how many times you have to post that shit? NAsh led his team from being down 3-1 to beat your Lakers, and the SUNS were fucking awesome in game 7, even Kobe quit.
BUt really, some of you guys are truly pissed that Kobe is not getting his MVP love, and truly mad that Nash has won a couple! IT's almost comical! Why does it matter so much? Even if Koe never wins an MVP (i bet he wins at least two before he is done) he will go down as one of the greatest ever, and will be considered a better player than Nash. But the thing is, Nash has been the MVP the past two years............in fact, Lebron was better than Kobe last year too.
I've got a feeling some of ya'll think the MVP has to be a guy who shoots 50 times a game, instead of someone who can actually shoot 50 percent a game.
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if the players were to vote for the MVP they'd vote for Dirk or nash. or the majority of them would , because they know what the MVP trophy really is. it's not the "Player of the Year" trophy , it's the "leader of the Year" trophy.
Wow! So Dirk is the "leader of the Year"? Mmmm..
Or you wanna sell me he was been the leader of the year from the 1st to the 82nd game of the season and he became a bitch from the 83rd to the 88th? See, that's why those type of trophies are really stupid and most of the times you make a fool of yourself by giving it to a guy who still has to win the games that really matters. I think they should rename it to "Best Player in the League" trophy and stick with it. Fuck the record, fuck all this bullshit. Who's the best one? Kobe? Ok, Kobe gets it. Then they should give the MVP trophy to the leader of the team who wins the NBA. So you have two good thophies and you celebrate both the best player and the most decisive to win the title.
What's the point having an MVP of the regular season who's 90% of the times different from the MVP of the PlayOff? It's just a couple of extra games, not a whole different season. Just give it to the leader of the championship team. And give a Best Player type of trophy after the regular season to the best player.
1. yes dirk is the leader of the year ....or nash. whoever out of those two should win it for the regular season.. because the MVP is for the regular season....the post season is a seperate season all together.
Homie i'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying i disagree with this shit. What the hell is an MVP of the regular season?? Of the regular season? It shouldn't even matter, man. Who gives a shit about the regular season anyway. If you have the best record in the regular season you can be eliminated from the team with the worst record of the PlayOff in 6 games in the first round, man. With the "MVP" playing horrible and def not playing as a leader. Didn't you see it? So is it really important to you that Dirk led the Mavs to have that record in the regular season? To me it doesn't mean shit. And the Warriors advancing to Round 2 is the proof. The PlayOff is not a separate season, man! It's just the end of the pre-season, let's call it like that. Imho they should give two trophies: 1) NBA Finals MVP, 2) Best Player Of The Year. And both of them should be given after the season is officially over (after a team wins it all in the NBA Finals), so that way you could have a better global vision of it all. And if Kobe is at the same time the best player in the NBA and the player who has had the best individual season, who give a shit if he'll gets it for 5-6 straight years? If he deserves them, what's the problem?
But ok, even if prefeer the MVP throphy intended as the "leader of the year" award i say it's wrong to separate the regular season from the playoffs. They should give the MVP throphy after the Playoffs ends. Why? Because immagine the Suns going to the Western Conference Finals! This year they could have given the throphy to Nash instead than to Dirk. And then they could have given the NBA Finals MVP Throphy to... let's say Rasheed Wallace. So the real best players of the year. This way Dirk will get it in the worst season his team has had since he joined the Mavs. So he led his team to that failure. But still he's the MVP?? You know what i mean?
In the last 10 years just 3 times the MVP Award winner led his team to the NBA Title. That makes this Award def less important than the NBA Finals MVP Award, imho.
Shaq won the MVP Award 1 time, but he has won 4 rings with 3 NBA Finals MVP Awards won.
Nash has 2 maybe 3 MVP Awards and has no rings.
4. on your last point.... why give an all star mvp then?
The All-Star game is just a joke. Nothing serious. The important thing is to be there. The game itself is just a friendly match imho. Bryant won 2 All-Star MVP's, but they means SHIT to me.
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Just because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.
They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.
I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.
Kobe had to score 50+ points in 4 straight games just for the Lakers to barely beat teams like Memphis/Portland. Take him off the team and the Lakers would probably lose damn near every game. Him just being on the court is what gives them a chance. If thats not the MVP please tell me what is...
A player that can lead his team past the 1st round of the playoffs.
LOL. Is that why Dirk is getting it this year? Is that why Nash got it last year when he was 1 rebound away from being bounced? Please make valid points, a regular season award has nothing to do with how a team does in the playoffs. And AGAIN, it's an INDIVIDUAL award...PeACe
Dirk is getting it for a fact? Damn, we so priveledged to have an NBA insider on our very board. Please make valid points.
It's known that the voting is in Dirk's favor as of now, moron...
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-he's done nothing to make his teammates better
He leads the team in assists. And if you watch the Lakers you know his teammates need to be spoon fed (and even when they are Luke/Lamar/Kwame/Evans still have tendencies to miss layups)
-when he went on his little scoring spree the went on losing streaks
Don't get what you're saying here
-we almost were in a position to get booted out of the playoffs
Yeah because 3 of our starters and 2 of our main bench guys were injured at the same time. Kobe was stuck with Andrew Bynum, Brian Cook, Ronny Turiaf, Smush Parker, and Shammond Williams to help him get into the playoffs.
-he's disappeared in the 4th quarter
Of what, one game? When you have to score on damn near every possession night in & night out just for your team to get some points on the board, I'm guessing you'd be pretty worn out by the 4th quarter too.
-doesn't give his tea mates confidence that they can win
I can think of a few times this season that Kobe's given his teammates the ball in big possessions. What about that pass to Brian Cook to send us to O/T against Washington? Or him with that last second pass to Smush Parker to force O/T against the Kings? What more do you want him to do, write them all motivational letters?
1. he leads in assists because the lakers lack a true point guard AND kobe's the one with the ball. i refuse to believe (especially after the begining of the season and the 3 wins in last years playoffs) that the lakers need to be spoon fed. if kobe was a good leader he'd be able to give them the confidence that they obviously lack.
2. when kobe started scoring all these rediculous points after the all star break.....what was the lakers' record, after the all star break i'm talking about??
3. again lack of faith in his players, a leader would be able to facilitate with that and break through in the playoffs, i mean shit we lost to some BAAAD teams this year. also what happened to everyone saying the lakers have awesome players?? now they're bad?? which is it!??
4. if kobe was able to instill confidence in his players like he did in last years playoffs (which he also dissappeared) he wouldn't HAVE to be worn down by the 4th quarter.
5. those are a FEW examples against some PRETTY mediocre teams LOl. wow we shouldn't have even been in those possitions against them if we had the "MVP" on our team. again those are only a FEW examples, they did work yeah, but it's not consistant enough ....that should be OBVIOUS
It's amazing how reply after reply, you fail to comprehend that Kobe is working with D-League level talent. You keep saying "if we had the MVP on our team blah blah blah". Holy shit man. Do you really think if we had Dirk or Nash on our team instead of Kobe we'd be better off? LMAO...And if you knew anything about the situation whatsoever, you'd understand that Kobe was forced to score all those points post all-star break due to the major injuries that started piling up, causing us to lack even more talent, and leaving us with players like Brian Cook, Andrew Bynum, and Maurice Evans starting. No, we're not a TERRIBLE team when at full strength, but nobody EVER said Kobe had AWESOME players to work with. You pulled that out of your own ass...PeACe
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Because Malone and Barkley had arguably better seasons when they won the MVP
LOL yah they had better seasons because they LEAD better, not because their numbers were better, jodan had better numbers those years
...Nash hasn't. It's one thing if Kobe has the supporting cast and is EXPECTED to do some damage in the playoffs...It's another thing when his teammates are comprised of D-League level talent and he leads them to the playoffs. THAT is a leader. Nash is a point guard, he's meant to lead that offense, it doesn't make him an MVP.
you must not be a magic johnson fan then , huh. fact of the matter is this , the suns crumble without nash, but soar to HIGH heights with him. the lakers live and die with or without kobe.....that right there says it all
Dirk is not a great leader, the Lakers would be a lottery team with Dirk instead of Kobe...Those 50 point games are what saved the battered Lakers, Jake, you should know that. Without Kobe, there's no chance we'd be anywhere near the playoffs. Kobe is by far the best player in the league and means the most to his team...Try explaining how that's not an MVP without using the "his team is no good" argument, because that's a cop out. MVP is an INDIVIDUAL award, and no one does it better individually than Kobe.
how do we know this? dirk has a team built around him and his style, kobe has a team built around him and his style, if dirk was in LA he wouldn't have the same players around him.....and if he did it's impossible to say whether or not he'd succeed or fail since it hasn't happened and proabbly won't. all i know is the lakers have had more success when kobe had faith in his players. the whole point is kobe shouldn't have to score 50 points for the lakers to win. they should be mentally able as a team not to rely on that, and the blame goes back to kobe since he's the leader. dirk flaked in the first round that is true, but who did he face ,lol , the coach who MADE him a star. bad contingency, not bad leadership
Didn't you say you wanted Carmelo for Kobe? Come on, Jake...I know you love Shaq, but it's time to steer your love in the right direction, homie...PeACe
right now that looks better , aside from his suspention, he's been proving since his rookie season he's capable of taking a low class team to a higher level. the lakers have been bottom feeding since shaq left. i dont' know you do the math
Some of your arguments are ridiculous, dude. The Lakers LIVE without Kobe? You think the Lakers would be anything but the worst team in the league without Kobe? Seriously though, what are you saying? Nash has a team built around him, everything is worked out, he just needs to execute what's already planned and his teammates will do the rest. He's the only true point guard on the team, so of course the system fails without him, he runs it. That's far from what makes someone the best in the league. REGARDLESS, replace Kobe with Nash on the Lakers, and you have the worst team in the NBA. Make sense out of that.
PS Carmelo AND Iverson with a nice supporting cast can't get out of the first round, buddy. LMFAO@Carmelo for Kobe. :puke:
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Nash helps to MAKE his teammates better imo, so that does qualify him as an MVP candidate.
So by your standards, only point guards should win the MVP... ::)
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in fact, Lebron was better than Kobe last year too.
Ahahahahahaha...This is just too much, and it now explains EVERYTHING.
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Look at the 92-93 year. Jordan led the bulls to the title. Had the most points per game and steals per game for the season and made 1st team all NBA. Jordan had a great season that year, yet, Barkley won the MVP and his team lost to Jordan's in the Finals. Barkley had a bigger impact on his team that season. It was only his first year with them and he brought them up to having the best record in the league. So, it's not always about individual performance.
But since there's talks about the Lakers having bad players around Kobe and all, check this out. Aside from Pippen, who did Jordan have on this team? Grant was good, but he wasn't a stellar player. I think around Jordan, all these guys, who may have just been decent to good players, became strong players who were able to step up when needed.
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Horace Grant
B.J. Armstrong
Scott Williams
Stacey King
Trent Tucker
Bill Cartwright
Will Perdue
John Paxson
Rodney McCray
Corey Williams
Darrell Walker
Ed Nealy
Joe Courtney
Ricky Blanton
Jo Jo English
Not too many great names on that roster, but they won the title that year. So if Kobe is supposed to be that great, he would work with what he has and bring them to that point, IMO.
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Just because kobe is the "best" player in the L, that doesn't mean he had the best season. Nash had a better year, so did Duncan.
They had better seasons as far as team record goes. But NOBODY had a better season than Kobe this or last season.
I disagree, I will say he is the best, but the MVP SHOULD also have to do with team performance, and the Lakers didn't have those kind of seasons.
Kobe had to score 50+ points in 4 straight games just for the Lakers to barely beat teams like Memphis/Portland. Take him off the team and the Lakers would probably lose damn near every game. Him just being on the court is what gives them a chance. If thats not the MVP please tell me what is...
A player that can lead his team past the 1st round of the playoffs.
LOL. Is that why Dirk is getting it this year? Is that why Nash got it last year when he was 1 rebound away from being bounced? Please make valid points, a regular season award has nothing to do with how a team does in the playoffs. And AGAIN, it's an INDIVIDUAL award...PeACe
Dirk is getting it for a fact? Damn, we so priveledged to have an NBA insider on our very board. Please make valid points.
It's known that the voting is in Dirk's favor as of now, moron...
Says the NBA sideline reporter HAHAHAHA
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in fact, Lebron was better than Kobe last year too.
Ahahahahahaha...This is just too much, and it now explains EVERYTHING.
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What is so absurd about LBJ being better than Kobe?
LBJ-- 30.8 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 5.8 apg last year, not bad really, as far as stat lines go its actually incredible although he fell off a bit this year
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-he's done nothing to make his teammates better
He leads the team in assists. And if you watch the Lakers you know his teammates need to be spoon fed (and even when they are Luke/Lamar/Kwame/Evans still have tendencies to miss layups)
-when he went on his little scoring spree the went on losing streaks
Don't get what you're saying here
-we almost were in a position to get booted out of the playoffs
Yeah because 3 of our starters and 2 of our main bench guys were injured at the same time. Kobe was stuck with Andrew Bynum, Brian Cook, Ronny Turiaf, Smush Parker, and Shammond Williams to help him get into the playoffs.
-he's disappeared in the 4th quarter
Of what, one game? When you have to score on damn near every possession night in & night out just for your team to get some points on the board, I'm guessing you'd be pretty worn out by the 4th quarter too.
-doesn't give his tea mates confidence that they can win
I can think of a few times this season that Kobe's given his teammates the ball in big possessions. What about that pass to Brian Cook to send us to O/T against Washington? Or him with that last second pass to Smush Parker to force O/T against the Kings? What more do you want him to do, write them all motivational letters?
1. he leads in assists because the lakers lack a true point guard AND kobe's the one with the ball. i refuse to believe (especially after the begining of the season and the 3 wins in last years playoffs) that the lakers need to be spoon fed. if kobe was a good leader he'd be able to give them the confidence that they obviously lack.
2. when kobe started scoring all these rediculous points after the all star break.....what was the lakers' record, after the all star break i'm talking about??
3. again lack of faith in his players, a leader would be able to facilitate with that and break through in the playoffs, i mean shit we lost to some BAAAD teams this year. also what happened to everyone saying the lakers have awesome players?? now they're bad?? which is it!??
4. if kobe was able to instill confidence in his players like he did in last years playoffs (which he also dissappeared) he wouldn't HAVE to be worn down by the 4th quarter.
5. those are a FEW examples against some PRETTY mediocre teams LOl. wow we shouldn't have even been in those possitions against them if we had the "MVP" on our team. again those are only a FEW examples, they did work yeah, but it's not consistant enough ....that should be OBVIOUS
CRAP like that is exactly why Nash is un-deservedly a 2 time MVP. If Kobe's teammates play like ass you can't place all the blame on him just because he's the leader of the team. McGrady had what 29 points & 13 assists in game 7 vs Utah...are you gonna say its his fault they lost that game?
but see here's where nash and kobe differ. when nash is in the game the suns succeed and soar to heights that beat teams like the spurs. when kobe is on the team you don't know if they're going to beat the mavs or lose to the grizzlies.
about mcgrady, he did all he could do, and it can be admired what he did, he took the jazz to 7 games. yes at the end of the day the blame falls on him since he IS the leader but the blame is a little less when he's proved to be a winner on that team this year. there wasn't a complete collapse like with the lakers all year.
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Nash helps to MAKE his teammates better imo, so that does qualify him as an MVP candidate.
So by your standards, only point guards should win the MVP... ::)
unless your name is jason kidd most point guards in this league arn't throwing out 13 -15 dimes and putting up 20 points
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Nash helps to MAKE his teammates better imo, so that does qualify him as an MVP candidate.
So by your standards, only point guards should win the MVP... ::)
unless your name is jason kidd most point guards in this league arn't throwing out 13 -15 dimes and putting up 20 points
Kidd usually doesn't even score 15 in games, but he is an MVP quality player as well. He could have won in his 1st season with NJ.
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Look at the 92-93 year. Jordan led the bulls to the title. Had the most points per game and steals per game for the season and made 1st team all NBA. Jordan had a great season that year, yet, Barkley won the MVP and his team lost to Jordan's in the Finals. Barkley had a bigger impact on his team that season. It was only his first year with them and he brought them up to having the best record in the league. So, it's not always about individual performance.
But since there's talks about the Lakers having bad players around Kobe and all, check this out. Aside from Pippen, who did Jordan have on this team? Grant was good, but he wasn't a stellar player. I think around Jordan, all these guys, who may have just been decent to good players, became strong players who were able to step up when needed.
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Horace Grant
B.J. Armstrong
Scott Williams
Stacey King
Trent Tucker
Bill Cartwright
Will Perdue
John Paxson
Rodney McCray
Corey Williams
Darrell Walker
Ed Nealy
Joe Courtney
Ricky Blanton
Jo Jo English
Not too many great names on that roster, but they won the title that year. So if Kobe is supposed to be that great, he would work with what he has and bring them to that point, IMO.
Are you kidding me? The Bulls ALWAYS had consistant role players when they won rings, excellent bigs (Horace Grant, Dennis Rodman), great shooters (Toni Kukoc, Steve Kerr, John Paxson), reliable point guards (BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper), etc. etc. They were BUILT to win. It's crazy to say otherwise. When Jordan played with bums, before he hit his 30's, he always got bounced in the playoffs.
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What is so absurd about LBJ being better than Kobe?
LBJ-- 30.8 ppg, 8.1 rpg, 5.8 apg last year, not bad really, as far as stat lines go its actually incredible although he fell off a bit this year
Kobe had a way more spectacular season, even haters admit this. Are you honestly denying that?
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-he's done nothing to make his teammates better
He leads the team in assists. And if you watch the Lakers you know his teammates need to be spoon fed (and even when they are Luke/Lamar/Kwame/Evans still have tendencies to miss layups)
-when he went on his little scoring spree the went on losing streaks
Don't get what you're saying here
-we almost were in a position to get booted out of the playoffs
Yeah because 3 of our starters and 2 of our main bench guys were injured at the same time. Kobe was stuck with Andrew Bynum, Brian Cook, Ronny Turiaf, Smush Parker, and Shammond Williams to help him get into the playoffs.
-he's disappeared in the 4th quarter
Of what, one game? When you have to score on damn near every possession night in & night out just for your team to get some points on the board, I'm guessing you'd be pretty worn out by the 4th quarter too.
-doesn't give his tea mates confidence that they can win
I can think of a few times this season that Kobe's given his teammates the ball in big possessions. What about that pass to Brian Cook to send us to O/T against Washington? Or him with that last second pass to Smush Parker to force O/T against the Kings? What more do you want him to do, write them all motivational letters?
1. he leads in assists because the lakers lack a true point guard AND kobe's the one with the ball. i refuse to believe (especially after the begining of the season and the 3 wins in last years playoffs) that the lakers need to be spoon fed. if kobe was a good leader he'd be able to give them the confidence that they obviously lack.
2. when kobe started scoring all these rediculous points after the all star break.....what was the lakers' record, after the all star break i'm talking about??
3. again lack of faith in his players, a leader would be able to facilitate with that and break through in the playoffs, i mean shit we lost to some BAAAD teams this year. also what happened to everyone saying the lakers have awesome players?? now they're bad?? which is it!??
4. if kobe was able to instill confidence in his players like he did in last years playoffs (which he also dissappeared) he wouldn't HAVE to be worn down by the 4th quarter.
5. those are a FEW examples against some PRETTY mediocre teams LOl. wow we shouldn't have even been in those possitions against them if we had the "MVP" on our team. again those are only a FEW examples, they did work yeah, but it's not consistant enough ....that should be OBVIOUS
CRAP like that is exactly why Nash is un-deservedly a 2 time MVP. If Kobe's teammates play like ass you can't place all the blame on him just because he's the leader of the team. McGrady had what 29 points & 13 assists in game 7 vs Utah...are you gonna say its his fault they lost that game?
but see here's where nash and kobe differ. when nash is in the game the suns succeed and soar to heights that beat teams like the spurs. when kobe is on the team you don't know if they're going to beat the mavs or lose to the grizzlies.
about mcgrady, he did all he could do, and it can be admired what he did, he took the jazz to 7 games. yes at the end of the day the blame falls on him since he IS the leader but the blame is a little less when he's proved to be a winner on that team this year. there wasn't a complete collapse like with the lakers all year.
Once again, Jacob, ignoring the fact that the Lakers not only had holes they needed to fill in the roster, but the worst season as a team inury-wise in franchise history. Stop blaming the best player in the game and come to your senses...Kobe would dominate the league with the right team built around him. You're right. 1-on-5 wont work, and Kobe doesn't like to play that...
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those excuses are being built up too big IMO though, because WHEN healthy they never played together as a team, they still played as a one man show.
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those excuses are being built up too big IMO though, because WHEN healthy they never played together as a team, they still played as a one man show.
LMAO. Then you missed the first half of the season.
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when lamar was the shit and kobe was hurt 8)
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when lamar was the shit and kobe was hurt 8)
Kobe was hurt for two games. I hope you're not implying Lamar is better than Kobe. :-X
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no but he'd be a better leader
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no but he'd be a better leader
LOL!
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Look at the 92-93 year. Jordan led the bulls to the title. Had the most points per game and steals per game for the season and made 1st team all NBA. Jordan had a great season that year, yet, Barkley won the MVP and his team lost to Jordan's in the Finals. Barkley had a bigger impact on his team that season. It was only his first year with them and he brought them up to having the best record in the league. So, it's not always about individual performance.
But since there's talks about the Lakers having bad players around Kobe and all, check this out. Aside from Pippen, who did Jordan have on this team? Grant was good, but he wasn't a stellar player. I think around Jordan, all these guys, who may have just been decent to good players, became strong players who were able to step up when needed.
Michael Jordan
Scottie Pippen
Horace Grant
B.J. Armstrong
Scott Williams
Stacey King
Trent Tucker
Bill Cartwright
Will Perdue
John Paxson
Rodney McCray
Corey Williams
Darrell Walker
Ed Nealy
Joe Courtney
Ricky Blanton
Jo Jo English
Not too many great names on that roster, but they won the title that year. So if Kobe is supposed to be that great, he would work with what he has and bring them to that point, IMO.
Maybe it's hard to believe it but in that list there are 3 players who started an All-Star Game (Jordan, Pippen & Armstrong) and 2 other ones who were selected (Grant & Cartwright).
Now tell me who besides Kobe played an All-Star game in todays Lakers? Damn man, "besides Pippen"? Pippen is in the top-5 best SF's EVER.
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no but he'd be a better leader
"Lamar" and "leader" are two words you can't use in the same post.
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Are you kidding me? The Bulls ALWAYS had consistant role players when they won rings, excellent bigs (Horace Grant, Dennis Rodman), great shooters (Toni Kukoc, Steve Kerr, John Paxson), reliable point guards (BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper), etc. etc. They were BUILT to win. It's crazy to say otherwise. When Jordan played with bums, before he hit his 30's, he always got bounced in the playoffs.
I'm talking 92-93. There's no Rodman, Kukoc, Kerr or Harper... Stay on topic please. Again, dudes like Grant and Armstrong were decent players at best, but around Jordan they were much better. You can see Armstrong's decline in 94, when Jordan retired. So, he wasn't really all tha reliable because once Jordan bounced (and once he went to another team) his numbers decreased crazy. For Grant, his Rebounding and his Points stats all went down once he left the Bulls and Jordan. Again, Jordan made him that better player that nobody else could make him. As for Paxson, he was never that great until he got with Jordan and the bulls. His clutch shooting was never more on point until he worked with Jordan. Again... this was a player who was made better by Jordan. All these cats he played with were decent at best, but with Jordan they were better than usual.
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Maybe it's hard to believe it but in that list there are 3 players who started an All-Star Game (Jordan, Pippen & Armstrong) and 2 other ones who were selected (Grant & Cartwright).
Now tell me who besides Kobe played an All-Star game in todays Lakers? Damn man, "besides Pippen"? Pippen is in the top-5 best SF's EVER.
Grant made the All-Stars once... You can thank Jordan for that. Grant found a roll on the Bulls and he excelled at it because of Jordan, IMO. Same can be said for Armstrong. When did Grant or Armstrong do anything like that AFTER playing by Jordan's side? Never. Their careers declined well after that. So what did Jordan do right that Kobe isn't? He was able to help these players who really weren't all that, into All-Star caliber players at least once in their career.
Point is... Jordan took what he had and made it work. I didn't diss Pippen... So why bring him up like I did? Jordan and Pippen were great together, but they didn't win titles on their own, they had a cast surrounding them and that cast was made better by Jordan.
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Are you kidding me? The Bulls ALWAYS had consistant role players when they won rings, excellent bigs (Horace Grant, Dennis Rodman), great shooters (Toni Kukoc, Steve Kerr, John Paxson), reliable point guards (BJ Armstrong, Ron Harper), etc. etc. They were BUILT to win. It's crazy to say otherwise. When Jordan played with bums, before he hit his 30's, he always got bounced in the playoffs.
I'm talking 92-93. There's no Rodman, Kukoc, Kerr or Harper... Stay on topic please. Again, dudes like Grant and Armstrong were decent players at best, but around Jordan they were much better. You can see Armstrong's decline in 94, when Jordan retired. So, he wasn't really all tha reliable because once Jordan bounced (and once he went to another team) his numbers decreased crazy. For Grant, his Rebounding and his Points stats all went down once he left the Bulls and Jordan. Again, Jordan made him that better player that nobody else could make him. As for Paxson, he was never that great until he got with Jordan and the bulls. His clutch shooting was never more on point until he worked with Jordan. Again... this was a player who was made better by Jordan. All these cats he played with were decent at best, but with Jordan they were better than usual.
WHAT THE HELL? Jordan never made ANY of these players better. Do you know what you're speaking on? They all had a specific role, and they played it to perfection. Grant was decent at best? ahahahah. He was the PERFECT role player for Chicago, and he was the same with Orlando, playing a major role in bringing them to the finals... Phil Jackson also brought him back to the Lakers threepeat team, because he liked him so much. BJ Armstrong was playing just as well in Golden State, again, Jordan did not "make him better". In fact, he averaged the most assists of his career when leaving the Bulls :o. The 92-93 Bulls were great. You have all of what you need. The defensive stopper (Pippen), the reliable point guard (BJ Armstrong), the inside force (Horace Grant), the pure shooter (John Paxson), and that's what Phil needed for his triangle...Jordan put it all together. Not to mention all the players were experienced and knew exactly what they were doing...Build a team like that around Kobe, and he will DOMINATE...PeACe
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no but he'd be a better leader
"Lamar" and "leader" are two words you can't use in the same post.
I wouldn't go that far, he did a good job of leading Miami that 1 year, but honestly, that is one of the dumbest things Jake has said on here... :-\
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Maybe it's hard to believe it but in that list there are 3 players who started an All-Star Game (Jordan, Pippen & Armstrong) and 2 other ones who were selected (Grant & Cartwright).
Now tell me who besides Kobe played an All-Star game in todays Lakers? Damn man, "besides Pippen"? Pippen is in the top-5 best SF's EVER.
Grant made the All-Stars once... You can thank Jordan for that. Grant found a roll on the Bulls and he excelled at it because of Jordan, IMO. Same can be said for Armstrong. When did Grant or Armstrong do anything like that AFTER playing by Jordan's side? Never. Their careers declined well after that. So what did Jordan do right that Kobe isn't? He was able to help these players who really weren't all that, into All-Star caliber players at least once in their career.
Point is... Jordan took what he had and made it work. I didn't diss Pippen... So why bring him up like I did? Jordan and Pippen were great together, but they didn't win titles on their own, they had a cast surrounding them and that cast was made better by Jordan.
LOL. What the HELL are you saying dude? Do you know ANYTHING about what we're discussing?
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BTW, SGV...Bulls finished 2nd in the east and BJ Armstrong + Horace Grant had their best seasons the year Jordan retired.
http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/1994.html
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Maybe it's hard to believe it but in that list there are 3 players who started an All-Star Game (Jordan, Pippen & Armstrong) and 2 other ones who were selected (Grant & Cartwright).
Now tell me who besides Kobe played an All-Star game in todays Lakers? Damn man, "besides Pippen"? Pippen is in the top-5 best SF's EVER.
Grant made the All-Stars once... You can thank Jordan for that. Grant found a roll on the Bulls and he excelled at it because of Jordan, IMO.
He was named in the 1992-93 All Defensive 2nd Team. He was a great defender, great rebounder, a great role player. Way better than Kwame Brown, if you ask me.
Same can be said for Armstrong.
He led the NBA in 3pts made and in 3pts % that year.
When did Grant or Armstrong do anything like that AFTER playing by Jordan's side? Never. Their careers declined well after that. So what did Jordan do right that Kobe isn't? He was able to help these players who really weren't all that, into All-Star caliber players at least once in their career.
The thing that makes me :firedevil: everytime i read something like that is that "Jordan made them...", "Jordan was", "Jordan did..". Man: Jordan was a man, not a God. The 2nd best player ever, ok, but he wasn't Jesus, and he didn't do miracles. He was a great leader, i give you that. But people seems to forget the fact it was Jordan AND PIPPEN. Two superstars. Plus Phil Jackson. So it's arguably the best coach ever + arguably the best shooting guard ever + the best point forward ever. Plus a good supporting cast. It's not like Michael was alone. Hell no! He had Pippen and Jackson, man. And they all made teammates better because the system was the perfect one to make people play better than they usually do, plus they had two superstars like Jordan & Pippen who were two real leaders and two of the best players ever. When Kobe had another superstar like Shaq playing with him, the Lakers made Fox a great player, they made Fisher a great player, they even made Samaki Walker a pretty decent player (still garbage, but better than he was before he joined the Lakers), etc.. What i'm saying is that a player alone isn't enought, even if he's called Michael Jordan. It was Jordan+Pippen+Jackson, the dream team trio. Comparable to the Kobe+Shaq+Phil trio. So if you wanna compare the first trio you should compare it with the Kobe+Shaq+Phil one, man. You can't compare Jordan+Pippen+Jackson to Kobe+Phil+a lottery team. Odom is a good player, but he's no better than Kukoc, or Rodman, or Grant, or Horry, etc.. he's more like a role player who is very skilled, but he's not a superstar like Pippen. C'mon!! I'm not denying Jordan made his teammates better, no doubt. But he also hated Kukoc, he also had a couple of fights during pratice, he also had his problems. People seems to forget about the negative things he did and seems to remember only the good things. Nike did a great job.
Point is... Jordan took what he had and made it work. I didn't diss Pippen... So why bring him up like I did? Jordan and Pippen were great together, but they didn't win titles on their own, they had a cast surrounding them and that cast was made better by Jordan.
Again: that team had the best SG ever, the best Point Forward ever, the best coach ever and 3 other great role players who were in the All-Defensive team (Horace), who were 1st in 3 points shots made and 3pts % (Armstrong) and who were All-Star before (Cartwright).
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
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Lol @ Horace Grant being decent. That guy was really underrated. He wasn't a flashy athletic bigman (ie: Stoudemire/Howard) but he did what he was supposed to do: get the easy inside points, play defense, grab rebounds, and block shots. And I'm sure when Jordan passed him the ball he didn't drop the ball over & over like a certain big man signed to the Lakers right now
PS: whats your excuse for Horace being good in Orlando, all glory goes to Shaq?
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THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
This is what it boils down to. Grant & Armstrong may have had their best seasons individually, but without Jordan what did they do? With Jordan they won titles. Why? Because he made them that much better as a team. He made them that much better as players. Without Jordan nobody would remember Horace Grant or BJ Armstrong. They never would've been All-Stars. Jordan did that for them...
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THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
This is what it boils down to. Grant & Armstrong may have had their best seasons individually, but without Jordan what did they do? With Jordan they won titles. Why? Because he made them that much better as a team. He made them that much better as players. Without Jordan nobody would remember Horace Grant or BJ Armstrong. They never would've been All-Stars. Jordan did that for them...
What are you talking about? They played on the same caliber WITH or WITHOUT Jordan...They were one win away from advancing to the Eastern Conference Finals. Jordan was simply the one who put it all together, they had a team built. Take Kobe off of the Lakers, and it's a COMPLETELY different story. Just admit you were wrong, dude. Everyone knows the Bulls were built to win.
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
The point is, Jordan didn't elevate anyone...In fact, he was known for the exact opposite before the NBA+media started riding Jordan in the 90's. If he made a difference on a teammates game, there was more chances of that mark being negative. And as much as the media loved him, not even they praised him making "teammates better". He's not even close in that category to a Magic or a Bird...PeACe
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Can't believe this kid would disgrace Jordan.
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How am I disgracing Jordan, phillyboy?
I still think he is one of the greatest players to ever play the game. It just so happens that one of his strong points WASN'T elevating the game of his teammates.
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Jordan didn't elevate anyone
<<<<<< Lamar leading the lakers = makes more sense
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no but he'd be a better leader
"Lamar" and "leader" are two words you can't use in the same post.
I wouldn't go that far, he did a good job of leading Miami that 1 year
i'm glad you brought that up because
lamar leading miami =2nd round exit
kobe leading lakers = early playoff exit/no playoffs
kobe can have all the scoring and defensive skills in the world (which he does have) but lamar (and i'm not saying it's a strong quality either) is a superior leader to kobe
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no but he'd be a better leader
"Lamar" and "leader" are two words you can't use in the same post.
I wouldn't go that far, he did a good job of leading Miami that 1 year
i'm glad you brought that up because
lamar leading miami =2nd round exit
kobe leading lakers = early playoff exit/no playoffs
kobe can have all the scoring and defensive skills in the world (which he does have) but lamar (and i'm not saying it's a strong quality either) is a superior leader to kobe
Do you realize that even the biggest of Kobe haters wouldn't make outrageous claims like that? How much do you really love Shaq? LOL. Like I said, if Kobe was not on the Lakers, we'd be lucky to win 20 games. Odom is great support and he's one of my favs in the league, but I would never want him leading my team. Miami had a big 3 that year with a nice supporting cast. The weight was never dropped on Lamar's shoulder like it has been on Kobe's...You should know that.
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no but he'd be a better leader
"Lamar" and "leader" are two words you can't use in the same post.
I wouldn't go that far, he did a good job of leading Miami that 1 year
i'm glad you brought that up because
lamar leading miami =2nd round exit
kobe leading lakers = early playoff exit/no playoffs
kobe can have all the scoring and defensive skills in the world (which he does have) but lamar (and i'm not saying it's a strong quality either) is a superior leader to kobe
Do you realize that even the biggest of Kobe haters wouldn't make outrageous claims like that? How much do you really love Shaq? LOL. Like I said, if Kobe was not on the Lakers, we'd be lucky to win 20 games. Odom is great support and he's one of my favs in the league, but I would never want him leading my team. Miami had a big 3 that year with a nice supporting cast. The weight was never dropped on Lamar's shoulder like it has been on Kobe's...You should know that.
I'm not a big Kobe fan, but not a hater either. It is obvious that Kobe is NOT a good team player, and doesn't elevate his teammates playing either. He has no confidence in them and wishes to shoot everytime down the floor. Only the biggest of dickriders would disagree.
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no but he'd be a better leader
"Lamar" and "leader" are two words you can't use in the same post.
I wouldn't go that far, he did a good job of leading Miami that 1 year
i'm glad you brought that up because
lamar leading miami =2nd round exit
kobe leading lakers = early playoff exit/no playoffs
kobe can have all the scoring and defensive skills in the world (which he does have) but lamar (and i'm not saying it's a strong quality either) is a superior leader to kobe
Do you realize that even the biggest of Kobe haters wouldn't make outrageous claims like that? How much do you really love Shaq? LOL. Like I said, if Kobe was not on the Lakers, we'd be lucky to win 20 games. Odom is great support and he's one of my favs in the league, but I would never want him leading my team. Miami had a big 3 that year with a nice supporting cast. The weight was never dropped on Lamar's shoulder like it has been on Kobe's...You should know that.
I'm not a big Kobe fan, but not a hater either. It is obvious that Kobe is NOT a good team player, and doesn't elevate his teammates playing either. He has no confidence in them and wishes to shoot everytime down the floor. Only the biggest of dickriders would disagree.
Yea, he has no confidence in his teammates. That's why he averages the most assists on the team...LOL. Seriously, where do you get this stuff from? It's obvious you don't watch the Lakers, Kobe WANTS less pressure on him and is more than willing to distribute if his teammates can step up. The beginning of the season, before everyone started getting injured, is the PROOF of this. If you think Kobe didn't elevate Shaq's game, you're nuts.
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no but he'd be a better leader
"Lamar" and "leader" are two words you can't use in the same post.
I wouldn't go that far, he did a good job of leading Miami that 1 year
i'm glad you brought that up because
lamar leading miami =2nd round exit
kobe leading lakers = early playoff exit/no playoffs
kobe can have all the scoring and defensive skills in the world (which he does have) but lamar (and i'm not saying it's a strong quality either) is a superior leader to kobe
Do you realize that even the biggest of Kobe haters wouldn't make outrageous claims like that? How much do you really love Shaq? LOL. Like I said, if Kobe was not on the Lakers, we'd be lucky to win 20 games. Odom is great support and he's one of my favs in the league, but I would never want him leading my team. Miami had a big 3 that year with a nice supporting cast. The weight was never dropped on Lamar's shoulder like it has been on Kobe's...You should know that.
I'm not a big Kobe fan, but not a hater either. It is obvious that Kobe is NOT a good team player, and doesn't elevate his teammates playing either. He has no confidence in them and wishes to shoot everytime down the floor. Only the biggest of dickriders would disagree.
Yea, he has no confidence in his teammates. That's why he averages the most assists on the team...LOL. Seriously, where do you get this stuff from? It's obvious you don't watch the Lakers, Kobe WANTS less pressure on him and is more than willing to distribute if his teammates can step up. The beginning of the season, before everyone started getting injured, is the PROOF of this. If you think Kobe didn't elevate Shaq's game, you're nuts.
Of course Kobe leads him team in assists boy-o, he gets the ball on every possesion, of course he's gonna be forced to pass sometimes. And he only had those numbers because his points guards are garbage. Kobe doesn't have faith in them either, that doesn't help. Shaq was at a whole nother level when they were together, he would have won a championship with damn near any team those 3 years. He was unstoppable, and Kobe hated him for it. LOL at Kobe elevating Shaq, it's the other way around.
And why the hell would I want to watch a team that can't even execute on offense correctly?
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no but he'd be a better leader
"Lamar" and "leader" are two words you can't use in the same post.
I wouldn't go that far, he did a good job of leading Miami that 1 year
i'm glad you brought that up because
lamar leading miami =2nd round exit
kobe leading lakers = early playoff exit/no playoffs
kobe can have all the scoring and defensive skills in the world (which he does have) but lamar (and i'm not saying it's a strong quality either) is a superior leader to kobe
Do you realize that even the biggest of Kobe haters wouldn't make outrageous claims like that? How much do you really love Shaq? LOL. Like I said, if Kobe was not on the Lakers, we'd be lucky to win 20 games. Odom is great support and he's one of my favs in the league, but I would never want him leading my team. Miami had a big 3 that year with a nice supporting cast. The weight was never dropped on Lamar's shoulder like it has been on Kobe's...You should know that.
I'm not a big Kobe fan, but not a hater either. It is obvious that Kobe is NOT a good team player, and doesn't elevate his teammates playing either. He has no confidence in them and wishes to shoot everytime down the floor. Only the biggest of dickriders would disagree.
Yea, he has no confidence in his teammates. That's why he averages the most assists on the team...LOL. Seriously, where do you get this stuff from? It's obvious you don't watch the Lakers, Kobe WANTS less pressure on him and is more than willing to distribute if his teammates can step up. The beginning of the season, before everyone started getting injured, is the PROOF of this. If you think Kobe didn't elevate Shaq's game, you're nuts.
Of course Kobe leads him team in assists boy-o, he gets the ball on every possesion, of course he's gonna be forced to pass sometimes. And he only had those numbers because his points guards are garbage. Kobe doesn't have faith in them either, that doesn't help. Shaq was at a whole nother level when they were together, he would have won a championship with damn near any team those 3 years. He was unstoppable, and Kobe hated him for it. LOL at Kobe elevating Shaq, it's the other way around.
And why the hell would I want to watch a team that can't even execute on offense correctly?
So, the point guards get the ball on every possession too, THEY should be leading in assists. What does that tell you about the consistancy of Kobe's team as a whole? Kobe doesn't have faith in his teammates? LOL. Where do you get this stuff? Kobe has deferred his whole career, that's the way he won championships. Shaq wasn't able to do that when it was his turn, he was too bitch about it, that's why Kobe was left on stuck. LOL@Shaq woulda' won with any team. That's a damn shame if you really believe it...
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no but he'd be a better leader
"Lamar" and "leader" are two words you can't use in the same post.
I wouldn't go that far, he did a good job of leading Miami that 1 year
i'm glad you brought that up because
lamar leading miami =2nd round exit
kobe leading lakers = early playoff exit/no playoffs
kobe can have all the scoring and defensive skills in the world (which he does have) but lamar (and i'm not saying it's a strong quality either) is a superior leader to kobe
Do you realize that even the biggest of Kobe haters wouldn't make outrageous claims like that? How much do you really love Shaq? LOL. Like I said, if Kobe was not on the Lakers, we'd be lucky to win 20 games. Odom is great support and he's one of my favs in the league, but I would never want him leading my team. Miami had a big 3 that year with a nice supporting cast. The weight was never dropped on Lamar's shoulder like it has been on Kobe's...You should know that.
I'm not a big Kobe fan, but not a hater either. It is obvious that Kobe is NOT a good team player, and doesn't elevate his teammates playing either. He has no confidence in them and wishes to shoot everytime down the floor. Only the biggest of dickriders would disagree.
Yea, he has no confidence in his teammates. That's why he averages the most assists on the team...LOL. Seriously, where do you get this stuff from? It's obvious you don't watch the Lakers, Kobe WANTS less pressure on him and is more than willing to distribute if his teammates can step up. The beginning of the season, before everyone started getting injured, is the PROOF of this. If you think Kobe didn't elevate Shaq's game, you're nuts.
Of course Kobe leads him team in assists boy-o, he gets the ball on every possesion, of course he's gonna be forced to pass sometimes. And he only had those numbers because his points guards are garbage. Kobe doesn't have faith in them either, that doesn't help. Shaq was at a whole nother level when they were together, he would have won a championship with damn near any team those 3 years. He was unstoppable, and Kobe hated him for it. LOL at Kobe elevating Shaq, it's the other way around.
And why the hell would I want to watch a team that can't even execute on offense correctly?
So, the point guards get the ball on every possession too, THEY should be leading in assists. What does that tell you about the consistancy of Kobe's team as a whole? Kobe doesn't have faith in his teammates? LOL. Where do you get this stuff? Kobe has deferred his whole career, that's the way he won championships. Shaq wasn't able to do that when it was his turn, he was too bitch about it, that's why Kobe was left on stuck. LOL@Shaq woulda' won with any team. That's a damn shame if you really believe it...
I'm pretty sure that was Shaq "deferring" to Wade last year when they won the championship, or was that a 7'2, 320 pound imposter???
But really, Shaq and Kobe together would've won a couple of more chips together, but both of their ego's are FUCKING HUGE, two of the most arrogant players to ever play in the NBA...........
And really, until Kobe wins a championship without Shaq, people are always gonna say Shaq was the reason Kobe has the championships (and really, does 3 MVP's lie). I do think if they would've stuck together, they could've won a couple more, and Kobe would've likely got an MVP or two.
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
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no but he'd be a better leader
"Lamar" and "leader" are two words you can't use in the same post.
I wouldn't go that far, he did a good job of leading Miami that 1 year
i'm glad you brought that up because
lamar leading miami =2nd round exit
kobe leading lakers = early playoff exit/no playoffs
kobe can have all the scoring and defensive skills in the world (which he does have) but lamar (and i'm not saying it's a strong quality either) is a superior leader to kobe
Do you realize that even the biggest of Kobe haters wouldn't make outrageous claims like that? How much do you really love Shaq? LOL. Like I said, if Kobe was not on the Lakers, we'd be lucky to win 20 games. Odom is great support and he's one of my favs in the league, but I would never want him leading my team. Miami had a big 3 that year with a nice supporting cast. The weight was never dropped on Lamar's shoulder like it has been on Kobe's...You should know that.
I'm not a big Kobe fan, but not a hater either. It is obvious that Kobe is NOT a good team player, and doesn't elevate his teammates playing either. He has no confidence in them and wishes to shoot everytime down the floor. Only the biggest of dickriders would disagree.
Yea, he has no confidence in his teammates. That's why he averages the most assists on the team...LOL. Seriously, where do you get this stuff from? It's obvious you don't watch the Lakers, Kobe WANTS less pressure on him and is more than willing to distribute if his teammates can step up. The beginning of the season, before everyone started getting injured, is the PROOF of this. If you think Kobe didn't elevate Shaq's game, you're nuts.
Of course Kobe leads him team in assists boy-o, he gets the ball on every possesion, of course he's gonna be forced to pass sometimes. And he only had those numbers because his points guards are garbage. Kobe doesn't have faith in them either, that doesn't help.
Let me understand it: are you saying Kobe should relate more on Sasha Vujacic, Smush Parker, Aaron McKie, Shammond Williams, Maurice Evans and Jordan Farmar?
Is this what are we talking about?? Kobe should involve those guys more in the offence? Sasha & Co?
Are you really saying it the same to have B.J. Armstrong (best 3pt shooter in the NBA for a pair of years), John Paxon (another wonderful 3pt shooter), Ron Harper (a great initiator imho), Scottie Pippen playing point forward, etc..?
Are you saying Jordan could have made Sasha Vujacic or Shammond Williams an All Star?
If so he's not a human, but a God.
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no but he'd be a better leader
"Lamar" and "leader" are two words you can't use in the same post.
I wouldn't go that far, he did a good job of leading Miami that 1 year
i'm glad you brought that up because
lamar leading miami =2nd round exit
kobe leading lakers = early playoff exit/no playoffs
kobe can have all the scoring and defensive skills in the world (which he does have) but lamar (and i'm not saying it's a strong quality either) is a superior leader to kobe
Do you realize that even the biggest of Kobe haters wouldn't make outrageous claims like that? How much do you really love Shaq? LOL. Like I said, if Kobe was not on the Lakers, we'd be lucky to win 20 games. Odom is great support and he's one of my favs in the league, but I would never want him leading my team. Miami had a big 3 that year with a nice supporting cast. The weight was never dropped on Lamar's shoulder like it has been on Kobe's...You should know that.
I'm not a big Kobe fan, but not a hater either. It is obvious that Kobe is NOT a good team player, and doesn't elevate his teammates playing either. He has no confidence in them and wishes to shoot everytime down the floor. Only the biggest of dickriders would disagree.
Yea, he has no confidence in his teammates. That's why he averages the most assists on the team...LOL. Seriously, where do you get this stuff from? It's obvious you don't watch the Lakers, Kobe WANTS less pressure on him and is more than willing to distribute if his teammates can step up. The beginning of the season, before everyone started getting injured, is the PROOF of this. If you think Kobe didn't elevate Shaq's game, you're nuts.
Of course Kobe leads him team in assists boy-o, he gets the ball on every possesion, of course he's gonna be forced to pass sometimes. And he only had those numbers because his points guards are garbage. Kobe doesn't have faith in them either, that doesn't help.
Let me understand it: are you saying Kobe should relate more on Sasha Vujacic, Smush Parker, Aaron McKie, Shammond Williams, Maurice Evans and Jordan Farmar?
Is this what are we talking about?? Kobe should involve those guys more in the offence? Sasha & Co?
Are you really saying it the same to have B.J. Armstrong (best 3pt shooter in the NBA for a pair of years), John Paxon (another wonderful 3pt shooter), Ron Harper (a great initiator imho), Scottie Pippen playing point forward, etc..?
Are you saying Jordan could have made Sasha Vujacic or Shammond Williams an All Star?
If so he's not a human, but a God.
Not Vujacic or Williams they are 3rd string, but what about Odom, he can be a great player. Kwame Brown and Smush Parker should be much better than they are and might do better on another team. Kobe should always do his best to give those players more confidence when it comes to taking those shots.
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
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no but he'd be a better leader
"Lamar" and "leader" are two words you can't use in the same post.
I wouldn't go that far, he did a good job of leading Miami that 1 year
i'm glad you brought that up because
lamar leading miami =2nd round exit
kobe leading lakers = early playoff exit/no playoffs
kobe can have all the scoring and defensive skills in the world (which he does have) but lamar (and i'm not saying it's a strong quality either) is a superior leader to kobe
Do you realize that even the biggest of Kobe haters wouldn't make outrageous claims like that? How much do you really love Shaq? LOL. Like I said, if Kobe was not on the Lakers, we'd be lucky to win 20 games. Odom is great support and he's one of my favs in the league, but I would never want him leading my team. Miami had a big 3 that year with a nice supporting cast. The weight was never dropped on Lamar's shoulder like it has been on Kobe's...You should know that.
I'm not a big Kobe fan, but not a hater either. It is obvious that Kobe is NOT a good team player, and doesn't elevate his teammates playing either. He has no confidence in them and wishes to shoot everytime down the floor. Only the biggest of dickriders would disagree.
Yea, he has no confidence in his teammates. That's why he averages the most assists on the team...LOL. Seriously, where do you get this stuff from? It's obvious you don't watch the Lakers, Kobe WANTS less pressure on him and is more than willing to distribute if his teammates can step up. The beginning of the season, before everyone started getting injured, is the PROOF of this. If you think Kobe didn't elevate Shaq's game, you're nuts.
Of course Kobe leads him team in assists boy-o, he gets the ball on every possesion, of course he's gonna be forced to pass sometimes. And he only had those numbers because his points guards are garbage. Kobe doesn't have faith in them either, that doesn't help.
Let me understand it: are you saying Kobe should relate more on Sasha Vujacic, Smush Parker, Aaron McKie, Shammond Williams, Maurice Evans and Jordan Farmar?
Is this what are we talking about?? Kobe should involve those guys more in the offence? Sasha & Co?
Are you really saying it the same to have B.J. Armstrong (best 3pt shooter in the NBA for a pair of years), John Paxon (another wonderful 3pt shooter), Ron Harper (a great initiator imho), Scottie Pippen playing point forward, etc..?
Are you saying Jordan could have made Sasha Vujacic or Shammond Williams an All Star?
If so he's not a human, but a God.
Not Vujacic or Williams they are 3rd string, but what about Odom, he can be a great player. Kwame Brown and Smush Parker should be much better than they are and might do better on another team. Kobe should always do his best to give those players more confidence when it comes to taking those shots.
LMAO. We all remember what happened last time Kwame and Jordan played together.
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LOL... yeah that's exactly the same thing as Magic himself stating that Jordan > him.
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LOL... yeah that's exactly the same thing as Magic himself stating that Jordan > him.
Magic is a humble dude...He would say Kareem is better than him if asked as well. Dennis Rodman, however, was a teammate of Jordan's. So for him to say that is way bolder...
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
Jromo... Your name is a joke in this section...Keep it in the G-Spot.
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
Jromo... Your name is a joke in this section...Keep it in the G-Spot.
Your name is a joke on this forum...Keep it in iluvkobescock.com
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
Jromo... Your name is a joke in this section...Keep it in the G-Spot.
Dude, what is it that you don't get??? Jrome gets props from everyone, he isn't biased, he's far from a joke unlike you NIK. Just cuz you got the most posts doesn't mean you know more than others or have anyone respects you. In fact, does anyone out there have actual respect for NIK as a poster???
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
Jromo... Your name is a joke in this section...Keep it in the G-Spot.
Dude, what is it that you don't get??? Jrome gets props from everyone, he isn't biased, he's far from a joke unlike you NIK. Just cuz you got the most posts doesn't mean you know more than others or have anyone respects you. In fact, does anyone out there have actual respect for NIK as a poster???
I'd like to give the guy the benefit of the doubt, but he makes it practically impossible.
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lamar leading the lakers is not a bad of thought, i'm sure if you got players that complimented his game, he'd be a more productive leader than kobe.
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LOL... yeah that's exactly the same thing as Magic himself stating that Jordan > him.
Magic is a humble dude...He would say Kareem is better than him if asked as well. Dennis Rodman, however, was a teammate of Jordan's. So for him to say that is way bolder...
That's so subjective. "Magic is a humble dude"... as if you know for a fact that's the reason he said it, and that he didn't mean it... I could just as easily say Rodman said that because he's a fag and has a crush on Magic. Perhaps, Magic admitted that Jordan is better than him because:
NBA MVP: Magic-3 Jordan-5
Championships: Magic-5 Jordan-6
NBA Finals MVP: Magic-3 Jordan-6 (record)
Jordan also has 10 scoring titles, the highest career scoring average, yada yada yada.... you know the deal.
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Umm...yes or no?
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
Another reason why he's numero uno. ;)
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no but he'd be a better leader
"Lamar" and "leader" are two words you can't use in the same post.
I wouldn't go that far, he did a good job of leading Miami that 1 year
i'm glad you brought that up because
lamar leading miami =2nd round exit
kobe leading lakers = early playoff exit/no playoffs
kobe can have all the scoring and defensive skills in the world (which he does have) but lamar (and i'm not saying it's a strong quality either) is a superior leader to kobe
Do you realize that even the biggest of Kobe haters wouldn't make outrageous claims like that? How much do you really love Shaq? LOL. Like I said, if Kobe was not on the Lakers, we'd be lucky to win 20 games. Odom is great support and he's one of my favs in the league, but I would never want him leading my team. Miami had a big 3 that year with a nice supporting cast. The weight was never dropped on Lamar's shoulder like it has been on Kobe's...You should know that.
I'm not a big Kobe fan, but not a hater either. It is obvious that Kobe is NOT a good team player, and doesn't elevate his teammates playing either. He has no confidence in them and wishes to shoot everytime down the floor. Only the biggest of dickriders would disagree.
Yea, he has no confidence in his teammates. That's why he averages the most assists on the team...LOL. Seriously, where do you get this stuff from? It's obvious you don't watch the Lakers, Kobe WANTS less pressure on him and is more than willing to distribute if his teammates can step up. The beginning of the season, before everyone started getting injured, is the PROOF of this. If you think Kobe didn't elevate Shaq's game, you're nuts.
Of course Kobe leads him team in assists boy-o, he gets the ball on every possesion, of course he's gonna be forced to pass sometimes. And he only had those numbers because his points guards are garbage. Kobe doesn't have faith in them either, that doesn't help.
Let me understand it: are you saying Kobe should relate more on Sasha Vujacic, Smush Parker, Aaron McKie, Shammond Williams, Maurice Evans and Jordan Farmar?
Is this what are we talking about?? Kobe should involve those guys more in the offence? Sasha & Co?
Are you really saying it the same to have B.J. Armstrong (best 3pt shooter in the NBA for a pair of years), John Paxon (another wonderful 3pt shooter), Ron Harper (a great initiator imho), Scottie Pippen playing point forward, etc..?
Are you saying Jordan could have made Sasha Vujacic or Shammond Williams an All Star?
If so he's not a human, but a God.
Not Vujacic or Williams they are 3rd string, but what about Odom, he can be a great player. Kwame Brown and Smush Parker should be much better than they are and might do better on another team. Kobe should always do his best to give those players more confidence when it comes to taking those shots.
Man should i remember you the careers of Smush (undrafted) and Brown before they joined the Lakers? How can you honestly say the might do better on another team? Brown failed with Michael Jordan! He's a Jordan reject. And Parker was playing in Greece when we signed him, and was cutted by the Suns and shit.. He was a nobody. Undrafted. C'mon..
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^^^ Smush was a beast on the playgrounds in NY, and we got to see him play alot of charity type games in NJ. Not that that means he will be a successful NBA player, but Smush has talent, he needs to be with a system that will work with him. He's got to shake the "nigga" attitude of his. And Kwame is still young, remeber he was drafted out of high school. Please don't bring up Jordan with the Wizards, he should not have been playing then, I didn't expect a high school aged Kwame and a senior citizen aged Jordan to make magic. Bynum WILL be a major player soon, but now Smush & Kwame need the most attention.
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Again: 2 years ago Kwame Brown was considered a bust by the whole world but Nik and Mitch; and Smush was having a very hard time getting 10-days contracts in wack teams in the NBA. They are potentially to good players, but if they are starters in the NBA and not in Europe they both should thank Phil, Kobe and the Lakers, man.
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Again: 2 years ago Kwame Brown was considered a bust by the whole world but Nik and Mitch; and Smush was having a very hard time getting 10-days contracts in wack teams in the NBA. They are potentially to good players, but if they are starters in the NBA and not in Europe they both should thank Phil, Kobe and the Lakers, man.
I consider them both busts too, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that the talent IS there and there IS room for improvment, they just need the right environment.
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Again: 2 years ago Kwame Brown was considered a bust by the whole world but Nik and Mitch; and Smush was having a very hard time getting 10-days contracts in wack teams in the NBA. They are potentially to good players, but if they are starters in the NBA and not in Europe they both should thank Phil, Kobe and the Lakers, man.
I consider them both busts too, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that the talent IS there and there IS room for improvment, they just need the right environment.
Oh well, with Smush i think there's a BIG problem who will send his ass away from L.A. asap..
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i agree, watching both players the TALENT IS THERE. however, no one has shown confidence in them. Kwame was rejected by jordan and kobe (basically) how much of an ego boost is that. and nobody talks about smush parker in a good light. so how can you succeed when you're not filled with confidence.
a leader should be able to build you up PAST your potential. how the fuck does an aged team like the Heat go to eastern conf. finals twice in a row and win the championship the other year. how does a team like that make it as the 4th seed when in all honesty they shouldn't have even made the playoffs. you know how? leadership (granted that leadership is deteriorating now) but on paper those heat teams were not that impressive for what they've done in the past three years, but they still pulled through.
If kobe was a leader , the laker team he had his first year without shaq should have at least made it to the playoffs as a 7-8th seed.
If kobe was a leader, they should have beaten the suns last year
If kobe was a leader, he would have learned from these past mistakes.
Kobe is going to be known for what he did for HIMSELF, not for his team
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Kobe is going to be known for what he did for HIMSELF, not for his team
Kobe is still 28, man. Remember that.
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
Jromo... Your name is a joke in this section...Keep it in the G-Spot.
Your name is a joke on this forum...Keep it in iluvkobescock.com
My legendary name will NEVER be a joke here. I might get my share of dickriders, but the Jromo's and the phillyboy's make it all worth it. 8)
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Again: 2 years ago Kwame Brown was considered a bust by the whole world but Nik and Mitch; and Smush was having a very hard time getting 10-days contracts in wack teams in the NBA. They are potentially to good players, but if they are starters in the NBA and not in Europe they both should thank Phil, Kobe and the Lakers, man.
I consider them both busts too, but I guess what I'm trying to say is that the talent IS there and there IS room for improvment, they just need the right environment.
Oh well, with Smush i think there's a BIG problem who will send his ass away from L.A. asap..
True, alot of times, it takes these streetball players much longer to be successful. Remember how bad Raefer "skip-to my lou" Alston was with Milwaukee? It took a while, but he improved and EARNED starting jobs with Toronto and Houston. Telfair has potential to be good to, I think he's a little too involved in the streets to have this career work for him though.
I wont give up on Smush, and not just because he reps the Eastcoast. I think he has some good scoring skill, but needs to be pass first PG, and lose the n*gger attitude.
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
Jromo... Your name is a joke in this section...Keep it in the G-Spot.
Dude, what is it that you don't get??? Jrome gets props from everyone, he isn't biased, he's far from a joke unlike you NIK. Just cuz you got the most posts doesn't mean you know more than others or have anyone respects you. In fact, does anyone out there have actual respect for NIK as a poster???
I'm not an online suck-up, the cool people from here know me in person and have nothing but respect for me...Then you got the dickriders like Jromo, who come into this section only to stir shit up and make off-topic replies talking a gang of shit...But that's expected, and it can be fun, so it's all good...PeACe
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
Jromo... Your name is a joke in this section...Keep it in the G-Spot.
Your name is a joke on this forum...Keep it in iluvkobescock.com
My legendary name will NEVER be a joke here. I might get my share of dickriders, but the Jromo's and the phillyboy's make it all worth it. 8)
Sorry to break it too ya, but you ARE a joke here bro bro. I've never heard people do anything but agree with that cuzzo.
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lamar leading the lakers is not a bad of thought, i'm sure if you got players that complimented his game, he'd be a more productive leader than kobe.
So if you had players to compliment Lamar's game as opposed to players to compliment Kobe's game, the Lakers would be better off?...LMFAO!
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
Jromo... Your name is a joke in this section...Keep it in the G-Spot.
Your name is a joke on this forum...Keep it in iluvkobescock.com
My legendary name will NEVER be a joke here. I might get my share of dickriders, but the Jromo's and the phillyboy's make it all worth it. 8)
Sorry to break it too ya, but you ARE a joke here bro bro. I've never heard people do anything but agree with that cuzzo.
Yea, the same ol' nutriders and Nash fans who can't seem to get off...there are people here who are down with me (not online buddies, like you strived to make).
YOU, on the other, had the ENTIRE board talking shit about you and your girlfriend. I don't even remember one person backing you up...You came back under a different account and sucked up to those same people, never saying who you were. Once again, phillyboy, DISGUSTING.
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
Jromo... Your name is a joke in this section...Keep it in the G-Spot.
Your name is a joke on this forum...Keep it in iluvkobescock.com
My legendary name will NEVER be a joke here. I might get my share of dickriders, but the Jromo's and the phillyboy's make it all worth it. 8)
Sorry to break it too ya, but you ARE a joke here bro bro. I've never heard people do anything but agree with that cuzzo.
Yea, the same ol' nutriders and Nash fans who can't seem to get off...there are people here who are down with me (not online buddies, like you strived to make).
YOU, on the other, had the ENTIRE board talking shit about you and your girlfriend. I don't even remember one person backing you up...You came back under a different account and sucked up to those same people, never saying who you were. Once again, phillyboy, DISGUSTING.
Actaully, people did back me, and still do. I haven't seen 1 person back u up in this sports section, because your a joke to us. Your blind hate for Nash proves this, and so does your karma.
Who is down with you on this site?
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
Jromo... Your name is a joke in this section...Keep it in the G-Spot.
Your name is a joke on this forum...Keep it in iluvkobescock.com
My legendary name will NEVER be a joke here. I might get my share of dickriders, but the Jromo's and the phillyboy's make it all worth it. 8)
Sorry to break it too ya, but you ARE a joke here bro bro. I've never heard people do anything but agree with that cuzzo.
Yea, the same ol' nutriders and Nash fans who can't seem to get off...there are people here who are down with me (not online buddies, like you strived to make).
YOU, on the other, had the ENTIRE board talking shit about you and your girlfriend. I don't even remember one person backing you up...You came back under a different account and sucked up to those same people, never saying who you were. Once again, phillyboy, DISGUSTING.
Actaully, people did back me, and still do. I haven't seen 1 person back u up in this sports section, because your a joke to us. Your blind hate for Nash proves this, and so does your karma.
Who is down with you on this site?
Who is cool with me on this site? LMAO
Tanjint
Doggy
Twista
Rik
Ted
Antonio
Wcsoldier
Al Bundy
Sucka Free
Jake
Mosav
Spice
Flipmod
Primo
etc.
etc.
etc.
My legacy on this board=greatest poster, known for immensely pissing people off and having them go to outrageous heights to get me back
Your legacy on this board=switching usernames so that no one remembers you as the douche who had an autistic looking girlfriend
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Alright, enough with the arguing, it's getting us nowhere.
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Alright, enough with the arguing, it's getting us nowhere.
Trust me, I agree...But it's hard when you ALWAYS have all these douchebags hoppin' up on your nuts for every single thing you say.
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lamar leading the lakers is not a bad of thought, i'm sure if you got players that complimented his game, he'd be a more productive leader than kobe.
So if you had players to compliment Lamar's game as opposed to players to compliment Kobe's game, the Lakers would be better off?...LMFAO!
exactly, because , and this is my strong opinion now, after three seasons of watching kobe be about as consistant as a Sine wave at the helm for the past 11 or so years. i have NO CONFIDENCE in his leadership skills. players best suited to kobe's style are players who just stand and watch him OR a more Dominant player with leadership skills where kobe is the second bannana. A kobe lead team taylored perfectly to his style would be uneven and very dependent on Kobe.....like the lakers have been. A Lamar lead team, taylored perfectly to his game would be like the pistons or a team like more even like that. I can see a team like the latter beating a team like the lakers.
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i agree, watching both players the TALENT IS THERE. however, no one has shown confidence in them. Kwame was rejected by jordan and kobe (basically) how much of an ego boost is that. and nobody talks about smush parker in a good light. so how can you succeed when you're not filled with confidence.
a leader should be able to build you up PAST your potential. how the fuck does an aged team like the Heat go to eastern conf. finals twice in a row and win the championship the other year. how does a team like that make it as the 4th seed when in all honesty they shouldn't have even made the playoffs. you know how? leadership (granted that leadership is deteriorating now) but on paper those heat teams were not that impressive for what they've done in the past three years, but they still pulled through.
If kobe was a leader , the laker team he had his first year without shaq should have at least made it to the playoffs as a 7-8th seed.
If kobe was a leader, they should have beaten the suns last year
If kobe was a leader, he would have learned from these past mistakes.
Kobe is going to be known for what he did for HIMSELF, not for his team
You don't truly believe this, man, do you? Kobe shoulda made the playoffs that year where Frank Hamblen took over mid-way through that disasterous season!? LMAO. They shoulda' beaten the Suns last year, despite being overmatched in experience AND talent level? What did Kobe not do? Jake, your thoughts are absurd. You could put ANY player EVER on this same Laker team in place of Kobe, and they would NOT have fared any better...Do you realize how much Kobe tried doing for Kwame? if you watched Laker games you'd know this. He instilled all the confidence in the world in him, but he simply couldn't come through 100% this year. He forced the ball into Kwame, passed up shots to feed him, he would big him up after every made shot, jump on him after a big dunk, etc... he did what Jordan didn't.
What did Jordan do for his teammates that Kobe didn't? Seriously Jake, I'd like to hear it...
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lamar leading the lakers is not a bad of thought, i'm sure if you got players that complimented his game, he'd be a more productive leader than kobe.
So if you had players to compliment Lamar's game as opposed to players to compliment Kobe's game, the Lakers would be better off?...LMFAO!
exactly, because , and this is my strong opinion now, after three seasons of watching kobe be about as consistant as a Sine wave at the helm for the past 11 or so years. i have NO CONFIDENCE in his leadership skills. players best suited to kobe's style are players who just stand and watch him OR a more Dominant player with leadership skills where kobe is the second bannana. A kobe lead team taylored perfectly to his style would be uneven and very dependent on Kobe.....like the lakers have been. A Lamar lead team, taylored perfectly to his game would be like the pistons or a team like more even like that. I can see a team like the latter beating a team like the lakers.
You're wrong. A team taylored to Kobe would be the same as a Jordan led team...Too bad it hasn't happened yet.
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i want to touch on the denver situation real quick . the whole carmelo/iverson thing
like i said before the playoffs and like greg anthony said as well on inside the nba......the nuggets won't do much this year in the playoffs they're still learning to play with each other....by the end of the regular season they were tearing shit up , then going into the post season their inexperience playing with each other in 7 games series' caught up with them. by next year i can see them running into the 2nd possibly the 3rd round (depending on what happens with the other teams). my final thought on the nuggest right now is dependent on what happens next year. and i predict good things
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
Jromo... Your name is a joke in this section...Keep it in the G-Spot.
Your name is a joke on this forum...Keep it in iluvkobescock.com
My legendary name will NEVER be a joke here. I might get my share of dickriders, but the Jromo's and the phillyboy's make it all worth it. 8)
Sorry to break it too ya, but you ARE a joke here bro bro. I've never heard people do anything but agree with that cuzzo.
Yea, the same ol' nutriders and Nash fans who can't seem to get off...there are people here who are down with me (not online buddies, like you strived to make).
YOU, on the other, had the ENTIRE board talking shit about you and your girlfriend. I don't even remember one person backing you up...You came back under a different account and sucked up to those same people, never saying who you were. Once again, phillyboy, DISGUSTING.
Actaully, people did back me, and still do. I haven't seen 1 person back u up in this sports section, because your a joke to us. Your blind hate for Nash proves this, and so does your karma.
Who is down with you on this site?
Who is cool with me on this site? LMAO
Tanjint
Doggy
Twista
Rik
Ted
Antonio
Wcsoldier
Al Bundy
Sucka Free
Jake
Mosav
Spice
Flipmod
Primo
etc.
etc.
etc.
My legacy on this board=greatest poster, known for immensely pissing people off and having them go to outrageous heights to get me back
Your legacy on this board=switching usernames so that no one remembers you as the douche who had an autistic looking girlfriend
ROFL! haha! Son, if I lived out there in Cali, I woulda met up with the same people too, and i never once heard them back u up. And once again, everybody knows that I'm Phillyboy, you are the only one who has a problem with that. Only reason i fuck with YOU is because you jump on everysingle post I have in the basketball section, and tell me my opinion is wrong. Nobody would call u the greatest poster ever, your smoking that shit boy boy.
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lamar leading the lakers is not a bad of thought, i'm sure if you got players that complimented his game, he'd be a more productive leader than kobe.
So if you had players to compliment Lamar's game as opposed to players to compliment Kobe's game, the Lakers would be better off?...LMFAO!
exactly, because , and this is my strong opinion now, after three seasons of watching kobe be about as consistant as a Sine wave at the helm for the past 11 or so years. i have NO CONFIDENCE in his leadership skills. players best suited to kobe's style are players who just stand and watch him OR a more Dominant player with leadership skills where kobe is the second bannana. A kobe lead team taylored perfectly to his style would be uneven and very dependent on Kobe.....like the lakers have been. A Lamar lead team, taylored perfectly to his game would be like the pistons or a team like more even like that. I can see a team like the latter beating a team like the lakers.
You're wrong. A team taylored to Kobe would be the same as a Jordan led team...Too bad it hasn't happened yet.
Jordan was the best who's ever done it, Kobe's not that great kid. The team is alreday taylored to Kobe and he's gotten them nowhere.
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
Jromo... Your name is a joke in this section...Keep it in the G-Spot.
Your name is a joke on this forum...Keep it in iluvkobescock.com
My legendary name will NEVER be a joke here. I might get my share of dickriders, but the Jromo's and the phillyboy's make it all worth it. 8)
Sorry to break it too ya, but you ARE a joke here bro bro. I've never heard people do anything but agree with that cuzzo.
Yea, the same ol' nutriders and Nash fans who can't seem to get off...there are people here who are down with me (not online buddies, like you strived to make).
YOU, on the other, had the ENTIRE board talking shit about you and your girlfriend. I don't even remember one person backing you up...You came back under a different account and sucked up to those same people, never saying who you were. Once again, phillyboy, DISGUSTING.
Actaully, people did back me, and still do. I haven't seen 1 person back u up in this sports section, because your a joke to us. Your blind hate for Nash proves this, and so does your karma.
Who is down with you on this site?
Who is cool with me on this site? LMAO
Tanjint
Doggy
Twista
Rik
Ted
Antonio
Wcsoldier
Al Bundy
Sucka Free
Jake
Mosav
Spice
Flipmod
Primo
etc.
etc.
etc.
My legacy on this board=greatest poster, known for immensely pissing people off and having them go to outrageous heights to get me back
Your legacy on this board=switching usernames so that no one remembers you as the douche who had an autistic looking girlfriend
Hey add me to that list too. You're kinda like the big brother I never had...or wanted ;D
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i agree, watching both players the TALENT IS THERE. however, no one has shown confidence in them. Kwame was rejected by jordan and kobe (basically) how much of an ego boost is that. and nobody talks about smush parker in a good light. so how can you succeed when you're not filled with confidence.
a leader should be able to build you up PAST your potential. how the fuck does an aged team like the Heat go to eastern conf. finals twice in a row and win the championship the other year. how does a team like that make it as the 4th seed when in all honesty they shouldn't have even made the playoffs. you know how? leadership (granted that leadership is deteriorating now) but on paper those heat teams were not that impressive for what they've done in the past three years, but they still pulled through.
If kobe was a leader , the laker team he had his first year without shaq should have at least made it to the playoffs as a 7-8th seed.
If kobe was a leader, they should have beaten the suns last year
If kobe was a leader, he would have learned from these past mistakes.
Kobe is going to be known for what he did for HIMSELF, not for his team
You don't truly believe this, man, do you? Kobe shoulda made the playoffs that year where Frank Hamblen took over mid-way through that disasterous season!? LMAO. They shoulda' beaten the Suns last year, despite being overmatched in experience AND talent level? What did Kobe not do? Jake, your thoughts are absurd. You could put ANY player EVER on this same Laker team in place of Kobe, and they would NOT have fared any better...Do you realize how much Kobe tried doing for Kwame? if you watched Laker games you'd know this. He instilled all the confidence in the world in him, but he simply couldn't come through 100% this year. He forced the ball into Kwame, passed up shots to feed him, he would big him up after every made shot, jump on him after a big dunk, etc... he did what Jordan didn't.
What did Jordan do for his teammates that Kobe didn't? Seriously Jake, I'd like to hear it...
1. i don't see why they couldn't have made the playoffs, if kobe was as good as you said he was he'd be able to win, remember he had Caron Butler and Lamar odom with him, plus a few pieces from the good ol' days . kobe was/is an experienced veterine, that's what makes/made sam cassell so useful on the bucks/wolves/clippers. Rudy T. was a good coach and frank tired to facilitate as well as he could you can't blame him....that's a sorry excuse the lakers still made the playoffs with rambus remember? that was an even WORSE trade off IMO. and they still managed.
2. as you said the lakers were "one rebound" away from winning, what happend after game 4? you mean to tell me that those 3 wins were just flukes? no that was GOOD leadership FOR ONCE from kobe which i still commend him for to this day. but shit after game 4 they reverted to playing perverse, which resulted in a complete collapse in game 7, kobe was no where to be found. the lakers looked like they won the series after game 3 . kobe as a leader has to have that killer instinct to finish a series...which he's yet to do. even going back to the suns series in the first playoff run, much of the blame can be placed on kobe when we couldn't finish off the suns completely when he took over in the 4th quarters. we all hear know kobe hates losing but , i don't think he knows how to avoid that completely.
3. any player? okay, and i hate to sound cliche, but put shaq on that team and they'll at least make 8th seed. you can also put Duncan on there and you will have at least an 8th seed. my whole point is ....if kobe is suppose to be the 'mvp' he should be able to revolutionize any team he's on. if he's suppose to be the best player , in basically every aspect of the game, missing the playoffs and exiting the playoffs in the first round embarrassingly should not be acceptable BY ANY MEANS, it shouldn't happen. period. no one is saying kobe isn't the beset offensive weapon. no one is saying he's not one of the best defensive weapons. no one is questioning his desire or clutch, or ANY OF THAT. what everyone is doubt and it's pretty obvious he's deficient in is LEADERSHIP. he gets an A in every category except that area. that's why shaq and kobe worked so well when it worked.....Supreme dominance offensively from inside and outside with shaq leading. wow what a combo that was. the leadership was THERE. now it's not and what do you have .....disappointment for the last 3 years.
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
Jromo... Your name is a joke in this section...Keep it in the G-Spot.
Your name is a joke on this forum...Keep it in iluvkobescock.com
My legendary name will NEVER be a joke here. I might get my share of dickriders, but the Jromo's and the phillyboy's make it all worth it. 8)
Sorry to break it too ya, but you ARE a joke here bro bro. I've never heard people do anything but agree with that cuzzo.
Yea, the same ol' nutriders and Nash fans who can't seem to get off...there are people here who are down with me (not online buddies, like you strived to make).
YOU, on the other, had the ENTIRE board talking shit about you and your girlfriend. I don't even remember one person backing you up...You came back under a different account and sucked up to those same people, never saying who you were. Once again, phillyboy, DISGUSTING.
Actaully, people did back me, and still do. I haven't seen 1 person back u up in this sports section, because your a joke to us. Your blind hate for Nash proves this, and so does your karma.
Who is down with you on this site?
Who is cool with me on this site? LMAO
Tanjint
Doggy
Twista
Rik
Ted
Antonio
Wcsoldier
Al Bundy
Sucka Free
Jake
Mosav
Spice
Flipmod
Primo
etc.
etc.
etc.
My legacy on this board=greatest poster, known for immensely pissing people off and having them go to outrageous heights to get me back
Your legacy on this board=switching usernames so that no one remembers you as the douche who had an autistic looking girlfriend
Hey add me to that list too. You're kinda like the big brother I never had...or wanted ;D
LOL
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i want to touch on the denver situation real quick . the whole carmelo/iverson thing
like i said before the playoffs and like greg anthony said as well on inside the nba......the nuggets won't do much this year in the playoffs they're still learning to play with each other....by the end of the regular season they were tearing shit up , then going into the post season their inexperience playing with each other in 7 games series' caught up with them. by next year i can see them running into the 2nd possibly the 3rd round (depending on what happens with the other teams). my final thought on the nuggest right now is dependent on what happens next year. and i predict good things
And the Lakers aren't a new team? LOL! Their 5 starters haven't even played HALF a season together.
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lamar leading the lakers is not a bad of thought, i'm sure if you got players that complimented his game, he'd be a more productive leader than kobe.
So if you had players to compliment Lamar's game as opposed to players to compliment Kobe's game, the Lakers would be better off?...LMFAO!
exactly, because , and this is my strong opinion now, after three seasons of watching kobe be about as consistant as a Sine wave at the helm for the past 11 or so years. i have NO CONFIDENCE in his leadership skills. players best suited to kobe's style are players who just stand and watch him OR a more Dominant player with leadership skills where kobe is the second bannana. A kobe lead team taylored perfectly to his style would be uneven and very dependent on Kobe.....like the lakers have been. A Lamar lead team, taylored perfectly to his game would be like the pistons or a team like more even like that. I can see a team like the latter beating a team like the lakers.
You're wrong. A team taylored to Kobe would be the same as a Jordan led team...Too bad it hasn't happened yet.
Jordan was the best who's ever done it, Kobe's not that great kid. The team is alreday taylored to Kobe and he's gotten them nowhere.
If the team is taylored to Kobe, why is he voicing his displeasure with the roster holes? Can you TRY to make sense at least?
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i agree, watching both players the TALENT IS THERE. however, no one has shown confidence in them. Kwame was rejected by jordan and kobe (basically) how much of an ego boost is that. and nobody talks about smush parker in a good light. so how can you succeed when you're not filled with confidence.
a leader should be able to build you up PAST your potential. how the fuck does an aged team like the Heat go to eastern conf. finals twice in a row and win the championship the other year. how does a team like that make it as the 4th seed when in all honesty they shouldn't have even made the playoffs. you know how? leadership (granted that leadership is deteriorating now) but on paper those heat teams were not that impressive for what they've done in the past three years, but they still pulled through.
If kobe was a leader , the laker team he had his first year without shaq should have at least made it to the playoffs as a 7-8th seed.
If kobe was a leader, they should have beaten the suns last year
If kobe was a leader, he would have learned from these past mistakes.
Kobe is going to be known for what he did for HIMSELF, not for his team
You don't truly believe this, man, do you? Kobe shoulda made the playoffs that year where Frank Hamblen took over mid-way through that disasterous season!? LMAO. They shoulda' beaten the Suns last year, despite being overmatched in experience AND talent level? What did Kobe not do? Jake, your thoughts are absurd. You could put ANY player EVER on this same Laker team in place of Kobe, and they would NOT have fared any better...Do you realize how much Kobe tried doing for Kwame? if you watched Laker games you'd know this. He instilled all the confidence in the world in him, but he simply couldn't come through 100% this year. He forced the ball into Kwame, passed up shots to feed him, he would big him up after every made shot, jump on him after a big dunk, etc... he did what Jordan didn't.
What did Jordan do for his teammates that Kobe didn't? Seriously Jake, I'd like to hear it...
1. i don't see why they couldn't have made the playoffs, if kobe was as good as you said he was he'd be able to win, remember he had Caron Butler and Lamar odom with him, plus a few pieces from the good ol' days . kobe was/is an experienced veterine, that's what makes/made sam cassell so useful on the bucks/wolves/clippers. Rudy T. was a good coach and frank tired to facilitate as well as he could you can't blame him....that's a sorry excuse the lakers still made the playoffs with rambus remember? that was an even WORSE trade off IMO. and they still managed.
2. as you said the lakers were "one rebound" away from winning, what happend after game 4? you mean to tell me that those 3 wins were just flukes? no that was GOOD leadership FOR ONCE from kobe which i still commend him for to this day. but shit after game 4 they reverted to playing perverse, which resulted in a complete collapse in game 7, kobe was no where to be found. the lakers looked like they won the series after game 3 . kobe as a leader has to have that killer instinct to finish a series...which he's yet to do. even going back to the suns series in the first playoff run, much of the blame can be placed on kobe when we couldn't finish off the suns completely when he took over in the 4th quarters. we all hear know kobe hates losing but , i don't think he knows how to avoid that completely.
3. any player? okay, and i hate to sound cliche, but put shaq on that team and they'll at least make 8th seed. you can also put Duncan on there and you will have at least an 8th seed. my whole point is ....if kobe is suppose to be the 'mvp' he should be able to revolutionize any team he's on. if he's suppose to be the best player , in basically every aspect of the game, missing the playoffs and exiting the playoffs in the first round embarrassingly should not be acceptable BY ANY MEANS, it shouldn't happen. period. no one is saying kobe isn't the beset offensive weapon. no one is saying he's not one of the best defensive weapons. no one is questioning his desire or clutch, or ANY OF THAT. what everyone is doubt and it's pretty obvious he's deficient in is LEADERSHIP. he gets an A in every category except that area. that's why shaq and kobe worked so well when it worked.....Supreme dominance offensively from inside and outside with shaq leading. wow what a combo that was. the leadership was THERE. now it's not and what do you have .....disappointment for the last 3 years.
1.LOL@they had Caron Butler and Lamar Odom. They were an EXPANSION team under a BRAND NEW COACH and a BRAND NEW SYSTEM. And before all that crumbling, with Rudy-T quitting and Lamar Odom being done for the season midway through, the Lakers were STILL 4 games above .500 that season...When disaster struck, they were forced to tank. Lakers made the playoffs with Rambis? If I remember correctly, they MISSED the playoffs that last year when James Worthy, Kurt Rambis, Byron Scott, Vlade Divac, etc. all played together. And if you're talking about the season Rambis coached, the Lakers were an experienced team LOADED with talent, he didn't implament a brand new offense and what not, so i don't see how that's even close comparable...
2.If you looked at it the right way, you would see that it was inexperience as a team which led Kobe's supporting cast to let him down in last years Suns series, not the other way around. Anyone within (and dedicated to) the Laker organization will tell you this... ;)
3.LMAO@if you think Shaq in place of Kobe on these Lakers would be anything short of a lottery team. :-X That's more hilarious than comparing the Shaq-Kobe 3peat teams to todays Kobe led Lakers. Come on now, PLEASE tell me you see the difference. I guess Shaq isn't a leader, considering he's a "champion" who got swept in the firts round this year. Considering his Magic teams were built to win, but he still could never win a championship "leading" them (AKA ruining chemistry, getting jealous of Penny, selling out, etc)... Shaq can't do it without someone like Kobe or Wade to will him there...Kobe is still 28, he at least still has time. If you didn't love Shaq so much, you'd see this...PeACe
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i agree, watching both players the TALENT IS THERE. however, no one has shown confidence in them. Kwame was rejected by jordan and kobe (basically) how much of an ego boost is that. and nobody talks about smush parker in a good light. so how can you succeed when you're not filled with confidence.
a leader should be able to build you up PAST your potential. how the fuck does an aged team like the Heat go to eastern conf. finals twice in a row and win the championship the other year. how does a team like that make it as the 4th seed when in all honesty they shouldn't have even made the playoffs. you know how? leadership (granted that leadership is deteriorating now) but on paper those heat teams were not that impressive for what they've done in the past three years, but they still pulled through.
If kobe was a leader , the laker team he had his first year without shaq should have at least made it to the playoffs as a 7-8th seed.
If kobe was a leader, they should have beaten the suns last year
If kobe was a leader, he would have learned from these past mistakes.
Kobe is going to be known for what he did for HIMSELF, not for his team
You don't truly believe this, man, do you? Kobe shoulda made the playoffs that year where Frank Hamblen took over mid-way through that disasterous season!? LMAO. They shoulda' beaten the Suns last year, despite being overmatched in experience AND talent level? What did Kobe not do? Jake, your thoughts are absurd. You could put ANY player EVER on this same Laker team in place of Kobe, and they would NOT have fared any better...Do you realize how much Kobe tried doing for Kwame? if you watched Laker games you'd know this. He instilled all the confidence in the world in him, but he simply couldn't come through 100% this year. He forced the ball into Kwame, passed up shots to feed him, he would big him up after every made shot, jump on him after a big dunk, etc... he did what Jordan didn't.
What did Jordan do for his teammates that Kobe didn't? Seriously Jake, I'd like to hear it...
1. i don't see why they couldn't have made the playoffs, if kobe was as good as you said he was he'd be able to win, remember he had Caron Butler and Lamar odom with him, plus a few pieces from the good ol' days . kobe was/is an experienced veterine, that's what makes/made sam cassell so useful on the bucks/wolves/clippers. Rudy T. was a good coach and frank tired to facilitate as well as he could you can't blame him....that's a sorry excuse the lakers still made the playoffs with rambus remember? that was an even WORSE trade off IMO. and they still managed.
2. as you said the lakers were "one rebound" away from winning, what happend after game 4? you mean to tell me that those 3 wins were just flukes? no that was GOOD leadership FOR ONCE from kobe which i still commend him for to this day. but shit after game 4 they reverted to playing perverse, which resulted in a complete collapse in game 7, kobe was no where to be found. the lakers looked like they won the series after game 3 . kobe as a leader has to have that killer instinct to finish a series...which he's yet to do. even going back to the suns series in the first playoff run, much of the blame can be placed on kobe when we couldn't finish off the suns completely when he took over in the 4th quarters. we all hear know kobe hates losing but , i don't think he knows how to avoid that completely.
3. any player? okay, and i hate to sound cliche, but put shaq on that team and they'll at least make 8th seed. you can also put Duncan on there and you will have at least an 8th seed. my whole point is ....if kobe is suppose to be the 'mvp' he should be able to revolutionize any team he's on. if he's suppose to be the best player , in basically every aspect of the game, missing the playoffs and exiting the playoffs in the first round embarrassingly should not be acceptable BY ANY MEANS, it shouldn't happen. period. no one is saying kobe isn't the beset offensive weapon. no one is saying he's not one of the best defensive weapons. no one is questioning his desire or clutch, or ANY OF THAT. what everyone is doubt and it's pretty obvious he's deficient in is LEADERSHIP. he gets an A in every category except that area. that's why shaq and kobe worked so well when it worked.....Supreme dominance offensively from inside and outside with shaq leading. wow what a combo that was. the leadership was THERE. now it's not and what do you have .....disappointment for the last 3 years.
1.LOL@they had Caron Butler and Lamar Odom. They were an EXPANSION team under a BRAND NEW COACH and a BRAND NEW SYSTEM. And before all that crumbling, with Rudy-T quitting and Lamar Odom being done for the season midway through, the Lakers were STILL 4 games above .500 that season...When disaster struck, they were forced to tank. Lakers made the playoffs with Rambis? If I remember correctly, they MISSED the playoffs that last year when James Worthy, Kurt Rambis, Byron Scott, Vlade Divac, etc. all played together. And if you're talking about the season Rambis coached, the Lakers were an experienced team LOADED with talent, he didn't implament a brand new offense and what not, so i don't see how that's even close comparable...
2.If you looked at it the right way, you would see that it was inexperience as a team which led Kobe's supporting cast to let him down in last years Suns series, not the other way around. Anyone within (and dedicated to) the Laker organization will tell you this... ;)
3.LMAO@if you think Shaq in place of Kobe on these Lakers would be anything short of a lottery team. :-X That's more hilarious than comparing the Shaq-Kobe 3peat teams to todays Kobe led Lakers. Come on now, PLEASE tell me you see the difference. I guess Shaq isn't a leader, considering he's a "champion" who got swept in the firts round this year. Considering his Magic teams were built to win, but he still could never win a championship "leading" them (AKA ruining chemistry, getting jealous of Penny, selling out, etc)... Shaq can't do it without someone like Kobe or Wade to will him there...Kobe is still 28, he at least still has time. If you didn't love Shaq so much, you'd see this...PeACe
1. caron butler is one hell of a player and lamar odom is one hell of a player. the lakers traded ONE player (shaq) for THREE. the heat went on to succeed and the lakers went on to fail,lol. that's all that needs to be said
2. kobe has won three titles, that's all the experience you need. Sam cassell played a lesser role in his 2 championships and is able to turn franchises around. and again when kobe was utilized in the fourth quarter of the first round verses the suns (back in 2001) he let us down as well. he can't lead simple as that
3. shaq at 28 would do a better job with these lakers than kobe has. mark my words. shaq has only missed the playoffs ONCE in his carreer....his first year. with out kobe he's been to the Finals twice, and has won many more playoff series and games without him (before and after kobe), sucess follows shaq , call it cooincidance if you want but the proof is in the pudding. kobe has yet to do any of that without shaq. i like how you convieniantly forget how the heat did better WITHOUT wade this year, and did better in the playoffs when they pounded it down to shaq as opposed to wade. ....good one.
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lamar leading the lakers is not a bad of thought, i'm sure if you got players that complimented his game, he'd be a more productive leader than kobe.
So if you had players to compliment Lamar's game as opposed to players to compliment Kobe's game, the Lakers would be better off?...LMFAO!
exactly, because , and this is my strong opinion now, after three seasons of watching kobe be about as consistant as a Sine wave at the helm for the past 11 or so years. i have NO CONFIDENCE in his leadership skills. players best suited to kobe's style are players who just stand and watch him OR a more Dominant player with leadership skills where kobe is the second bannana. A kobe lead team taylored perfectly to his style would be uneven and very dependent on Kobe.....like the lakers have been. A Lamar lead team, taylored perfectly to his game would be like the pistons or a team like more even like that. I can see a team like the latter beating a team like the lakers.
You're wrong. A team taylored to Kobe would be the same as a Jordan led team...Too bad it hasn't happened yet.
Jordan was the best who's ever done it, Kobe's not that great kid. The team is alreday taylored to Kobe and he's gotten them nowhere.
If the team is taylored to Kobe, why is he voicing his displeasure with the roster holes? Can you TRY to make sense at least?
Odom was supposed to be good on LA, so was Kwame Brown. The holes in the roster is just that the players suck now, it's not like theyve always sucked either. The team just lost there confidence. But it doens't matter what I say, youll always have an excuse....whats the point?
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i agree, watching both players the TALENT IS THERE. however, no one has shown confidence in them. Kwame was rejected by jordan and kobe (basically) how much of an ego boost is that. and nobody talks about smush parker in a good light. so how can you succeed when you're not filled with confidence.
a leader should be able to build you up PAST your potential. how the fuck does an aged team like the Heat go to eastern conf. finals twice in a row and win the championship the other year. how does a team like that make it as the 4th seed when in all honesty they shouldn't have even made the playoffs. you know how? leadership (granted that leadership is deteriorating now) but on paper those heat teams were not that impressive for what they've done in the past three years, but they still pulled through.
If kobe was a leader , the laker team he had his first year without shaq should have at least made it to the playoffs as a 7-8th seed.
If kobe was a leader, they should have beaten the suns last year
If kobe was a leader, he would have learned from these past mistakes.
Kobe is going to be known for what he did for HIMSELF, not for his team
You don't truly believe this, man, do you? Kobe shoulda made the playoffs that year where Frank Hamblen took over mid-way through that disasterous season!? LMAO. They shoulda' beaten the Suns last year, despite being overmatched in experience AND talent level? What did Kobe not do? Jake, your thoughts are absurd. You could put ANY player EVER on this same Laker team in place of Kobe, and they would NOT have fared any better...Do you realize how much Kobe tried doing for Kwame? if you watched Laker games you'd know this. He instilled all the confidence in the world in him, but he simply couldn't come through 100% this year. He forced the ball into Kwame, passed up shots to feed him, he would big him up after every made shot, jump on him after a big dunk, etc... he did what Jordan didn't.
What did Jordan do for his teammates that Kobe didn't? Seriously Jake, I'd like to hear it...
1. i don't see why they couldn't have made the playoffs, if kobe was as good as you said he was he'd be able to win, remember he had Caron Butler and Lamar odom with him, plus a few pieces from the good ol' days . kobe was/is an experienced veterine, that's what makes/made sam cassell so useful on the bucks/wolves/clippers. Rudy T. was a good coach and frank tired to facilitate as well as he could you can't blame him....that's a sorry excuse the lakers still made the playoffs with rambus remember? that was an even WORSE trade off IMO. and they still managed.
2. as you said the lakers were "one rebound" away from winning, what happend after game 4? you mean to tell me that those 3 wins were just flukes? no that was GOOD leadership FOR ONCE from kobe which i still commend him for to this day. but shit after game 4 they reverted to playing perverse, which resulted in a complete collapse in game 7, kobe was no where to be found. the lakers looked like they won the series after game 3 . kobe as a leader has to have that killer instinct to finish a series...which he's yet to do. even going back to the suns series in the first playoff run, much of the blame can be placed on kobe when we couldn't finish off the suns completely when he took over in the 4th quarters. we all hear know kobe hates losing but , i don't think he knows how to avoid that completely.
3. any player? okay, and i hate to sound cliche, but put shaq on that team and they'll at least make 8th seed. you can also put Duncan on there and you will have at least an 8th seed. my whole point is ....if kobe is suppose to be the 'mvp' he should be able to revolutionize any team he's on. if he's suppose to be the best player , in basically every aspect of the game, missing the playoffs and exiting the playoffs in the first round embarrassingly should not be acceptable BY ANY MEANS, it shouldn't happen. period. no one is saying kobe isn't the beset offensive weapon. no one is saying he's not one of the best defensive weapons. no one is questioning his desire or clutch, or ANY OF THAT. what everyone is doubt and it's pretty obvious he's deficient in is LEADERSHIP. he gets an A in every category except that area. that's why shaq and kobe worked so well when it worked.....Supreme dominance offensively from inside and outside with shaq leading. wow what a combo that was. the leadership was THERE. now it's not and what do you have .....disappointment for the last 3 years.
1.LOL@they had Caron Butler and Lamar Odom. They were an EXPANSION team under a BRAND NEW COACH and a BRAND NEW SYSTEM. And before all that crumbling, with Rudy-T quitting and Lamar Odom being done for the season midway through, the Lakers were STILL 4 games above .500 that season...When disaster struck, they were forced to tank. Lakers made the playoffs with Rambis? If I remember correctly, they MISSED the playoffs that last year when James Worthy, Kurt Rambis, Byron Scott, Vlade Divac, etc. all played together. And if you're talking about the season Rambis coached, the Lakers were an experienced team LOADED with talent, he didn't implament a brand new offense and what not, so i don't see how that's even close comparable...
2.If you looked at it the right way, you would see that it was inexperience as a team which led Kobe's supporting cast to let him down in last years Suns series, not the other way around. Anyone within (and dedicated to) the Laker organization will tell you this... ;)
3.LMAO@if you think Shaq in place of Kobe on these Lakers would be anything short of a lottery team. :-X That's more hilarious than comparing the Shaq-Kobe 3peat teams to todays Kobe led Lakers. Come on now, PLEASE tell me you see the difference. I guess Shaq isn't a leader, considering he's a "champion" who got swept in the firts round this year. Considering his Magic teams were built to win, but he still could never win a championship "leading" them (AKA ruining chemistry, getting jealous of Penny, selling out, etc)... Shaq can't do it without someone like Kobe or Wade to will him there...Kobe is still 28, he at least still has time. If you didn't love Shaq so much, you'd see this...PeACe
1. caron butler is one hell of a player and lamar odom is one hell of a player. the lakers traded ONE player (shaq) for THREE. the heat went on to succeed and the lakers went on to fail,lol. that's all that needs to be said
2. kobe has won three titles, that's all the experience you need. Sam cassell played a lesser role in his 2 championships and is able to turn franchises around. and again when kobe was utilized in the fourth quarter of the first round verses the suns (back in 2001) he let us down as well. he can't lead simple as that
3. shaq at 28 would do a better job with these lakers than kobe has. mark my words. shaq has only missed the playoffs ONCE in his carreer....his first year. with out kobe he's been to the Finals twice, and has won many more playoff series and games without him (before and after kobe), sucess follows shaq , call it cooincidance if you want but the proof is in the pudding. kobe has yet to do any of that without shaq. i like how you convieniantly forget how the heat did better WITHOUT wade this year, and did better in the playoffs when they pounded it down to shaq as opposed to wade. ....good one.
1.Yea, too bad Lamar Odom went down for the season around the same time Rudy-T quit. LOL@acting like the Shaq trade is the only thing that happened that year. We signed Divac as our center, he couldnt play. Brain Grant was always injured and useless. Fisher left, Malone left, Horry left, Payton left, Fox left, Rush left, Horace left, Russell left, IT WAS A COMPLETELY NEW TEAM. You acting otherwise in favor of the Heat doesn't really look too good. Shaq took the Heat from the 2nd round to the 3rd, with a much improved Wade, the same year he guartanteed a championship, and the same year he worked his ass off and lost all that weight to lead them...He only won when backing off, when he got lazy, when Wade became the leader and took over. LOL.
2. Cassell has been able to turn franchises around? LMAO. Maybe he's capable of being the final piece to put things together, but claiming he's turned franchises around is insane. Kobe saved Shaq COUNTLESS times in the playoffs/finals and definitely had his share of moments where he carried the Lakers on his back during the threepeat era. When Shaq let us down, got in foul trouble, benched because of Hack-a-Shaq , was too fat to play, etc., Kobe was ALWAYS the one to clean it up for him.
3. Shaq has NEVER played on a team without an all-star guard carrying him. Shaq on these Lakers would be LOST. The end.
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lamar leading the lakers is not a bad of thought, i'm sure if you got players that complimented his game, he'd be a more productive leader than kobe.
So if you had players to compliment Lamar's game as opposed to players to compliment Kobe's game, the Lakers would be better off?...LMFAO!
exactly, because , and this is my strong opinion now, after three seasons of watching kobe be about as consistant as a Sine wave at the helm for the past 11 or so years. i have NO CONFIDENCE in his leadership skills. players best suited to kobe's style are players who just stand and watch him OR a more Dominant player with leadership skills where kobe is the second bannana. A kobe lead team taylored perfectly to his style would be uneven and very dependent on Kobe.....like the lakers have been. A Lamar lead team, taylored perfectly to his game would be like the pistons or a team like more even like that. I can see a team like the latter beating a team like the lakers.
You're wrong. A team taylored to Kobe would be the same as a Jordan led team...Too bad it hasn't happened yet.
Jordan was the best who's ever done it, Kobe's not that great kid. The team is alreday taylored to Kobe and he's gotten them nowhere.
If the team is taylored to Kobe, why is he voicing his displeasure with the roster holes? Can you TRY to make sense at least?
Odom was supposed to be good on LA, so was Kwame Brown. The holes in the roster is just that the players suck now, it's not like theyve always sucked either. The team just lost there confidence. But it doens't matter what I say, youll always have an excuse....whats the point?
Odom isn't good? LMFAO! It's not that I have an excuse, it's just that what you say is pretty much mostly you speaking out of your ass...Kwame played the best basketball of his career in the final months of last season. I guess it's somehow Kobe's fault that he's been playing on some hobbled ankles this whole season, huh?
LOL. I just wonder what you'd say if Kobe was reported calling Kwame a "flaming faggot".
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lamar leading the lakers is not a bad of thought, i'm sure if you got players that complimented his game, he'd be a more productive leader than kobe.
So if you had players to compliment Lamar's game as opposed to players to compliment Kobe's game, the Lakers would be better off?...LMFAO!
exactly, because , and this is my strong opinion now, after three seasons of watching kobe be about as consistant as a Sine wave at the helm for the past 11 or so years. i have NO CONFIDENCE in his leadership skills. players best suited to kobe's style are players who just stand and watch him OR a more Dominant player with leadership skills where kobe is the second bannana. A kobe lead team taylored perfectly to his style would be uneven and very dependent on Kobe.....like the lakers have been. A Lamar lead team, taylored perfectly to his game would be like the pistons or a team like more even like that. I can see a team like the latter beating a team like the lakers.
You're wrong. A team taylored to Kobe would be the same as a Jordan led team...Too bad it hasn't happened yet.
Jordan was the best who's ever done it, Kobe's not that great kid. The team is alreday taylored to Kobe and he's gotten them nowhere.
If the team is taylored to Kobe, why is he voicing his displeasure with the roster holes? Can you TRY to make sense at least?
Odom was supposed to be good on LA, so was Kwame Brown. The holes in the roster is just that the players suck now, it's not like theyve always sucked either. The team just lost there confidence. But it doens't matter what I say, youll always have an excuse....whats the point?
Odom isn't good? LMFAO! It's not that I have an excuse, it's just that what you say is pretty much mostly you speaking out of your ass...Kwame played the best basketball of his career in the final months of last season. I guess it's somehow Kobe's fault that he's been playing on some hobbled ankles this whole season, huh?
LOL. I just wonder what you'd say if Kobe was reported calling Kwame a "flaming faggot".
I'd say Kobe's an even worse teammate obviously. How does that relate to the thread?
And just in general LMFAO at your tough guy act. Odom is not that good, not allstar caliber. And stop making excuses for Kwame, many players play well through ingury. If you want to be a center in the West, you gotta bring more effort than Kwame brings. And if Kwame played the best basketball of his career this season, that doesn't say much for his career then.
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
Jromo... Your name is a joke in this section...Keep it in the G-Spot.
Your name is a joke on this forum...Keep it in iluvkobescock.com
My legendary name will NEVER be a joke here. I might get my share of dickriders, but the Jromo's and the phillyboy's make it all worth it. 8)
First, that statement doesn't even make sense. Second, anybody that posts here eventually starts clowning on you. Tell yourself whatever you want. And damn Elior, 22 disses in 24 hours? I own u like a slave nigga.
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How the fuck did this turn into a Kobe vs Jordan debate?
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Antonio:
Who was better than Jordan? 6 playoff MVP's without a real post player to play with puts him #1 according to 99% of bball fans. Did you watch the man play? I never saw Wilt, Russell, etc play, but the only on ethat comes close would be Magic? Is he your number one?
THe thing with Jordan is, he elevatated others play. That is what GREAT players do, and i have a feeling Kobe will do it in the coming years, but as of now it is not happening.......
1. Magic
2. Jordan
I'll judge Kobe when he'll retire.
"There's Michael Jordan and then there is the rest of us." — Magic Johnson
"Magic Johnson is the greatest player ever" — Dennis Rodman
LMFAO! What the fuck does Dennis Rodman have to do with anything? - 1 Elior :grumpy:
"NIK would eat Kobe's shit with a spoon" - Jrome
Jromo... Your name is a joke in this section...Keep it in the G-Spot.
Your name is a joke on this forum...Keep it in iluvkobescock.com
My legendary name will NEVER be a joke here. I might get my share of dickriders, but the Jromo's and the phillyboy's make it all worth it. 8)
First, that statement doesn't even make sense. Second, anybody that posts here eventually starts clowning on you. Tell yourself whatever you want. And damn Elior, 22 disses in 24 hours? I own u like a slave nigga.
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Only obsessive losers who I piss off follow me in threads to ride my nuts. Why is it hard for you to comprehend shit that makes perfect sense? LOL. I know that karma is KILLIN you. Shoulda kept your mouth shut...
PS...Someone else must think you're a tool. Cuz I'm not the only one who's been lowering that precious karma of yours. And no, it's not my "extra accounts". :laugh:
LOL@karma counters.
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Odom is not that good, not allstar caliber.
LMAO
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Odom is not that good, not allstar caliber.
LMAO
He never made an all-star team did he? He's a good player, I didnt forget his season with Miami, but I wouldnt consider him all-star caliber, especially not in the West.
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He is easily an All-Star CALIBER player...hasn't made the team yet, but I will be SHOCKED if he doesn't by the end of his career. Lets not forget his one year with Miami where it was obvious he got robbed when Magloire made the team over him...PeACe
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He is easily an All-Star CALIBER player...hasn't made the team yet, but I will be SHOCKED if he doesn't by the end of his career. Lets not forget his one year with Miami where it was obvious he got robbed when Magloire made the team over him...PeACe
Magloire's selection was strictly for position, Odom wasn't a center. And I don't think an injury prone vet is getting any better, again, especially if he stays in the Western Conference.
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Nik, don't hold on on Odom too much. He might be gone sooner than you think.
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He is easily an All-Star CALIBER player...hasn't made the team yet, but I will be SHOCKED if he doesn't by the end of his career. Lets not forget his one year with Miami where it was obvious he got robbed when Magloire made the team over him...PeACe
Magloire's selection was strictly for position, Odom wasn't a center. And I don't think an injury prone vet is getting any better, again, especially if he stays in the Western Conference.
Nope...The East needed one power forward, and they went with Magloire over Odom, which caused an outrage amongst fans in Miami. I remember reading about it in the LA Times even...PeACe
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He is easily an All-Star CALIBER player...hasn't made the team yet, but I will be SHOCKED if he doesn't by the end of his career. Lets not forget his one year with Miami where it was obvious he got robbed when Magloire made the team over him...PeACe
Magloire's selection was strictly for position, Odom wasn't a center. And I don't think an injury prone vet is getting any better, again, especially if he stays in the Western Conference.
Nope...The East needed one power forward, and they went with Magloire over Odom, which caused an outrage amongst fans in Miami. I remember reading about it in the LA Times even...PeACe
As far a straight power foward, then I'd go with Magloire, Odom is more of point foward, he doesn't play the block that much.
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He is easily an All-Star CALIBER player...hasn't made the team yet, but I will be SHOCKED if he doesn't by the end of his career. Lets not forget his one year with Miami where it was obvious he got robbed when Magloire made the team over him...PeACe
Magloire's selection was strictly for position, Odom wasn't a center. And I don't think an injury prone vet is getting any better, again, especially if he stays in the Western Conference.
Nope...The East needed one power forward, and they went with Magloire over Odom, which caused an outrage amongst fans in Miami. I remember reading about it in the LA Times even...PeACe
As far a straight power foward, then I'd go with Magloire, Odom is more of point foward, he doesn't play the block that much.
Odom only played power forward that year in Miami...he started at that position, and held it down with excellence as a premier power forward in the east. How the hell can you go with Magloire over Odom? There's a reason there was an outrage over the selection...
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He is easily an All-Star CALIBER player...hasn't made the team yet, but I will be SHOCKED if he doesn't by the end of his career. Lets not forget his one year with Miami where it was obvious he got robbed when Magloire made the team over him...PeACe
Magloire's selection was strictly for position, Odom wasn't a center. And I don't think an injury prone vet is getting any better, again, especially if he stays in the Western Conference.
Nope...The East needed one power forward, and they went with Magloire over Odom, which caused an outrage amongst fans in Miami. I remember reading about it in the LA Times even...PeACe
As far a straight power foward, then I'd go with Magloire, Odom is more of point foward, he doesn't play the block that much.
Odom only played power forward that year in Miami...he started at that position, and held it down with excellence as a premier power forward in the east. How the hell can you go with Magloire over Odom? There's a reason there was an outrage over the selection...
I dunno that's the choice that was made, theres no way to change it. IMO, I wouldnt pick Odom as an All-Star, not Magloire either, but IMO Odom is not an all-star caliber player anymore. He's still good, and can help out anyteam, don't get me wrong, but an All-Star I wouldnt say.
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Anymore? He hasn't even reached his prime. He's played his best basketball with the Lakers...Have you seen the stats he put up WITH a torn labrum this seaspm? Tripple double threat night in and night out. Odom is an EXCELLENT all-around player, and will only get better. He woulda easily made the team thi year too had he not been injured.
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Anymore? He hasn't even reached his prime. He's played his best basketball with the Lakers...Have you seen the stats he put up WITH a torn labrum this seaspm? Tripple double threat night in and night out. Odom is an EXCELLENT all-around player, and will only get better. He woulda easily made the team thi year too had he not been injured.
A triple double threat, but not an acheiver. I don't beileve Odom has his better years ahead of him, because he IS injury prone, and will probably get injured again.
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I wouldnt say he's injury prone, based on how he was able to fight through this injury and play with it...All his injuries could have happened to anyone else. He is not a weak player and I wouldn't consider him injury prone like a Baron Davis or Marcus Camby. 2007-2008 should be an all-star season for him.