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The untitled album that preceded it, however (originally and unofficially titled Nigger), may not have been written by Nas at all. A new post on FWMJ’s Rappers I Know blog refers back to a time when the writer was working for New York radio station Hot 97, and underground rapper Jay Electronica told him that he’d been ghost-writing for Nas:
“The day Jay called me at work to tell me he was ghostwriting for Nas was a hard day for me. On one hand, I was happy that a friend of mine that seemingly no one cared an iota for a year or two prior was quickly ascending through the ranks of hip hop as a voice to pay attention to and a career in the making to watch. Earlier that summer we’d posted and artworked Act I and word was quickly spreading that he was a one to watch. Not too long after began that yearly teasing at Christmastime that Act II: The Pledge would be dropping for free as a download that would surely overload my server and shut down my site from traffic. It’s 2013 and we’re still waiting.
“I don’t recall specific dates, because I actively avoided listening to any of it, but we were either at the tail end of or in the middle of the ringtone era when I got this call from Jay. Rapping was in bad shape on a mainstream level, and that’s why the New York DJs as I would witness for the months surrounding any new Nas release would be giddy as hell hoping that the Soulja Boy and Tity Boy songs they are handcuffed to play day in and day out, would come to some sort of balance when a new Nas single that would hit.”
“When it’s public knowledge that the ‘greatest lyricist’ of our era, has ghost writers, what does that mean? Like, he has the ability to write crazy raps, but it’s like doping in the Olympics, how can we ever trust the good results again? This ain’t pop music, so it matters if you write your own raps or not. For at least 6 albums, that was the only currency Nas had; his lyrics. How long has he been using ghost writers?
“I had an existential crisis that day. I was happy for Jay Elec, but he basically speared a childhood music hero and make a sock puppet out of him”.
Hip-hop writer Dream Hampton has echoed the claims, Tweeting that “Nas’ Nigger album was largely written by Stic of dead prez and Jay Electronica.” Now, it’s hardly major news that a big name rapper has employed a ghostwriter – Dr. Dre’s been doing it for years, and he’s one of countless examples – but when it’s an artist as famed for his lyricism as Nas, it does make you wonder.
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Nas getting Jay Electronica to write for him is like Michael Jordan getting Toni Kukoc to dunk for him...
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i believe it. his verse on affirmative action was written by cormega.
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according to dream hampton (who's very credible) says she heard at least 6 references jay electronica did for nas. smarten up nas !!!!!!!!
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THAT WOULD BE SOME SHIT....NAS, THE MOST WELL-KNOWN LYRICIST, HAVING ENTIRE ALBUMS GHOST-WRITTEN. HARD TO BELIEVE, BUT COULD EASILY BE A POSSIBILITY.
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according to dream hampton (who's very credible) says she heard at least 6 references jay electronica did for nas. smarten up nas !!!!!!!!
Yeah is this whole tracks or concepts, bridges, hooks etc.
Nas proved on God's Son he ain't great at putting a whole album together on his lonely
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smh @ nas
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according to dream hampton (who's very credible) says she heard at least 6 references jay electronica did for nas. smarten up nas !!!!!!!!
Yeah is this whole tracks or concepts, bridges, hooks etc.
Nas proved on God's Son he ain't great at putting a whole album together on his lonely
I THOUGHT GODS SON WAS A GOOD ALBUM
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according to dream hampton (who's very credible) says she heard at least 6 references jay electronica did for nas. smarten up nas !!!!!!!!
Yeah is this whole tracks or concepts, bridges, hooks etc.
Nas proved on God's Son he ain't great at putting a whole album together on his lonely
possibly whole joints including 'queens get the money' stic man basically confirmed his involvement and still tryin' to give nas props.
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according to dream hampton (who's very credible) says she heard at least 6 references jay electronica did for nas. smarten up nas !!!!!!!!
Yeah is this whole tracks or concepts, bridges, hooks etc.
Nas proved on God's Son he ain't great at putting a whole album together on his lonely
I THOUGHT GODS SON WAS A GOOD ALBUM
album was sick 8)
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according to dream hampton (who's very credible) says she heard at least 6 references jay electronica did for nas. smarten up nas !!!!!!!!
Yeah is this whole tracks or concepts, bridges, hooks etc.
Nas proved on God's Son he ain't great at putting a whole album together on his lonely
I THOUGHT GODS SON WAS A GOOD ALBUM
album was sick 8)
Agreed, a notch or two below his classics but not a bad album by any means.
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shit, MF Doom has ghost PERFORMERS.
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Jay Electronica ghostwrote this tweet.
it's all good, i ghostlistened to Nastradamus. and guess what, Nas is still in my top 3. Yeezy too. Sue me.
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shit, MF Doom has ghost PERFORMERS.
???
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Jay Electronica ghostwrote this tweet.
it's all good, i ghostlistened to Nastradamus. and guess what, Nas is still in my top 3. Yeezy too. Sue me.
kanye in his top 3?
i hope someone shoots him in the head for thinking that
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Jay Electronica ghostwrote this tweet.
it's all good, i ghostlistened to Nastradamus. and guess what, Nas is still in my top 3. Yeezy too. Sue me.
kanye in his top 3?
i hope someone shoots him in the head for thinking that
LOL
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Maybe Jay Electronica & stic.man gave Nas some good ideas, cuz Untitled sounds just like he wrote himself. Nas alwayz been that type of guy who can make political songs like that. Untitled is a classic 2 me, FUCKING DOPE ASS ALBUM!
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Jay Electronica ghostwrote this tweet.
it's all good, i ghostlistened to Nastradamus. and guess what, Nas is still in my top 3. Yeezy too. Sue me.
kanye in his top 3?
i hope someone shoots him in the head for thinking that
Lol you are the prime example of someone stuck in the 90's with mediocre at best rappers who rap about the same shit. but being a real Maine thug I can understand you relating to every california gangsta & horrorcore rapper ever.
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.10183/title.mf-doom-allegedly-puts-on-another-fake-show
Both jay & stic.man say this is complete bullshit. Bitches always looking for attention
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according to dream hampton (who's very credible) says she heard at least 6 references jay electronica did for nas. smarten up nas !!!!!!!!
Yeah is this whole tracks or concepts, bridges, hooks etc.
Nas proved on God's Son he ain't great at putting a whole album together on his lonely
I THOUGHT GODS SON WAS A GOOD ALBUM
album was sick 8)
Lyrics are dope but production is off IMO
It's still a 7/10 to me, but its the weakest of his later albums I've got
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according to dream hampton (who's very credible) says she heard at least 6 references jay electronica did for nas. smarten up nas !!!!!!!!
Nas proved on God's Son he ain't great at putting a whole album together on his lonely
smh, he proved waht? i take it Nas is a new expericene for u or somethin.
"illmatic" is the best hiphop-album of all tiem, n he created teh album on his lonely, no guestverses whatsoever (except for AZ). maybe u should lsiten to it
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"illmatic" is the best hiphop-album of all tiem, n he created teh album on his lonely, no guestverses whatsoever
Really? Nas is a solo artist?!
I meant as Executive Producer, nothing about guest verses.
The beats on God's Son are pedictable mainstream, and a lot of it sounds off beat...like your opinions
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not surprising and not astounding imo... there are even rumors of shakespeare not having written some of what he's famous for. my point is that even if you're the greatest lyricist, it doesn't mean that you can't have (ghost)writers at some point. inspiration may run dry or you may think that on a certain topic other proficient lyricists are fit for the job. the only thing i don't like about ghostwriting is the ghost part. rappers should be man enough to acknowledge publicly who did what. if it is true (it seems highly credible given the people who spoke on it), nas should have come clean about it, it wouldn't have tarnished his reputation.
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That's awkward.
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i dont know if Nas ever used ghostwriters. thsis is the same guy that ghostwrote for Will Smith, why would he use ghostwriters, if he penned verses for other artists?
i mean if ur a working hiphop-mogul like, say - Snoop or Diddy, ultimately u gona need help from the outside, cuz u can't fit everythin inside ur working-schedule as an entertainer,, but Nas was always a dedicated wordsmith. not sayin its impossible tho
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i dont know if Nas ever used ghostwriters. thsis is the same guy that ghostwrote for Will Smith, why would he use ghostwriters, if he penned verses for other artists?
i mean if ur a working hiphop-mogul like, say - Snoop or Diddy, ultimately u gona need help from the outside, cuz u can't fit everythin inside ur working-schedule as an entertainer,, but Nas was always a dedicated wordsmith. not sayin its impossible tho
cormega confirmed writing nas verse on 'affirmative action' in the xxl mag(october 2001).
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i dont know if Nas ever used ghostwriters. thsis is the same guy that ghostwrote for Will Smith, why would he use ghostwriters, if he penned verses for other artists?
i mean if ur a working hiphop-mogul like, say - Snoop or Diddy, ultimately u gona need help from the outside, cuz u can't fit everythin inside ur working-schedule as an entertainer,, but Nas was always a dedicated wordsmith. not sayin its impossible tho
cormega confirmed writing nas verse on 'affirmative action' in the xxl mag(october 2001).
okay i didnt know that
not surprising and not astounding imo... there are even rumors of shakespeare not having written some of what he's famous for.
wow
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Jay Electronica ghostwrote this tweet.
it's all good, i ghostlistened to Nastradamus. and guess what, Nas is still in my top 3. Yeezy too. Sue me.
kanye in his top 3?
i hope someone shoots him in the head for thinking that
Lol you are the prime example of someone stuck in the 90's with mediocre at best rappers who rap about the same shit. but being a real Maine thug I can understand you relating to every california gangsta & horrorcore rapper ever.
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.10183/title.mf-doom-allegedly-puts-on-another-fake-show
Both jay & stic.man say this is complete bullshit. Bitches always looking for attention
oh ray ray is on her period?
kanye sucks ass.
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Jay Electronica ghostwrote this tweet.
it's all good, i ghostlistened to Nastradamus. and guess what, Nas is still in my top 3. Yeezy too. Sue me.
kanye in his top 3?
i hope someone shoots him in the head for thinking that
Lol you are the prime example of someone stuck in the 90's with mediocre at best rappers who rap about the same shit. but being a real Maine thug I can understand you relating to every california gangsta & horrorcore rapper ever.
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.10183/title.mf-doom-allegedly-puts-on-another-fake-show
Both jay & stic.man say this is complete bullshit. Bitches always looking for attention
oh ray ray is on her period?
kanye sucks ass.
How dare you
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Jay Electronica ghostwrote this tweet.
it's all good, i ghostlistened to Nastradamus. and guess what, Nas is still in my top 3. Yeezy too. Sue me.
kanye in his top 3?
i hope someone shoots him in the head for thinking that
Lol you are the prime example of someone stuck in the 90's with mediocre at best rappers who rap about the same shit. but being a real Maine thug I can understand you relating to every california gangsta & horrorcore rapper ever.
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.10183/title.mf-doom-allegedly-puts-on-another-fake-show
Both jay & stic.man say this is complete bullshit. Bitches always looking for attention
Yup rumours been rebuked, Dream Hampton on some bullshit.
Ayo William "God's Son" is hella dope, "Heaven", "Get Down", "Book Of Rhymes", "Last Real Nigga Alive', "Made You Look", I could go on. "Hey Nas" was weak but other than that which joints weren't you feeling? Maybe "Street's Disciple" would have been a better example. MC Serch was heavily involved in "Illmatic" and Trackmasters with "It Was Written" which is my favourite Nas album. Every artist needs a strong Executive Producer in my opinion.
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shit, MF Doom has ghost PERFORMERS.
???
"illmatic" is the best hiphop-album of all tiem, n he created teh album on his lonely, no guestverses whatsoever
I meant as Executive Producer, nothing about guest verses.
fail.
"untitled", "streets discsiple" and "hiphop is dead" were also exec produced by Nas, and those albums were great as well.
the quality in his lyrics/hooks/bridges which he writes ,, doesnt diminish just becuz he serves as the executive producer of his own albums gtfoh.
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Nas proved on God's Son he ain't great at putting a whole album together on his lonely
God's Son is arguably the greatest rap album of all time. So what the fuck are you talking about? That album was epic.
...I always thought "The Cross" was written by Eminem. I mean, Eminem produced it, and if you listen to the way Nas rapped on it, it sounds like he's trying to do a voiceover of something Em pre-recorded for him.
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dont think he wrote it. i didnt like "the cross", but its alright - Nas failed wit the song more than Em did wit the beat tho imo.
Em was disapointed it in as well, he said the beats he sent to Nas were rushed due to schedules wit the release date of "gods son".
Nas proved on God's Son he ain't great at putting a whole album together on his lonely
God's Son is arguably the greatest rap album of all time.
wow
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Already posted link. Just google fake mf doom performers
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dont think he wrote it. i didnt like "the cross", but its alright - Nas failed wit the song more than Em did wit the beat tho imo.
Em was disapointed it in as well, he said the beats he sent to Nas were rushed due to schedules wit the release date of "gods son".
Nas proved on God's Son he ain't great at putting a whole album together on his lonely
God's Son is arguably the greatest rap album of all time.
wow
Brian oncenagain proving he cant differentiate his own opinion and the general consensus of an album, love snobs who dont understand a different kind of music is enjoyable for everybody.
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I definitely hear the Eminem flow on "The Cross". It was Em's beat though; very similar to what he uses. Sometimes beats are made for certain flows. Plus when God's Son came out Eminem was the biggest name in rap already. So why not duplicate massive success?
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dont think he wrote it. i didnt like "the cross", but its alright - Nas failed wit the song more than Em did wit the beat tho imo.
Em was disapointed it in as well, he said the beats he sent to Nas were rushed due to schedules wit the release date of "gods son".
Nas proved on God's Son he ain't great at putting a whole album together on his lonely
God's Son is arguably the greatest rap album of all time.
wow
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Jay Electronica ghostwrote this tweet.
it's all good, i ghostlistened to Nastradamus. and guess what, Nas is still in my top 3. Yeezy too. Sue me.
kanye in his top 3?
i hope someone shoots him in the head for thinking that
Lol you are the prime example of someone stuck in the 90's with mediocre at best rappers who rap about the same shit. but being a real Maine thug I can understand you relating to every california gangsta & horrorcore rapper ever.
http://www.hiphopdx.com/index/news/id.10183/title.mf-doom-allegedly-puts-on-another-fake-show
Both jay & stic.man say this is complete bullshit. Bitches always looking for attention
Yup rumours been rebuked, Dream Hampton on some bullshit.
Ayo William "God's Son" is hella dope, "Heaven", "Get Down", "Book Of Rhymes", "Last Real Nigga Alive', "Made You Look", I could go on. "Hey Nas" was weak but other than that which joints weren't you feeling? Maybe "Street's Disciple" would have been a better example. MC Serch was heavily involved in "Illmatic" and Trackmasters with "It Was Written" which is my favourite Nas album. Every artist needs a strong Executive Producer in my opinion.
Exactly. God's Son is full of dope tracks lyrically (tho not Nas at his best) but its quite an average sounding album overall. I see u put Heaven first, I agree its the best track on there. The album starts with an Eminem produced track which a is corny sign of the times (and Nas sounds off beat, or like the beat was put to the track later on). Its got an 'industry' feel to the sound over all - regarding the beat selection, sequencing, and the 'post 2001' trademark beats. Too obvious/forced. I didn't say it was a terrible album, far from it.. but for a Nas album its unremarkable as a whole. It's a 7/10 for me.
fail.
"untitled", "streets discsiple" and "hiphop is dead" were also exec produced by Nas, and those albums were great as well.
the quality in his lyrics/hooks/bridges which he writes ,, doesnt diminish just becuz he serves as the executive producer of his own albums gtfoh.
"Fail" Are you 9?
You should really read before you post. You're totally off mark...again. I said Nas's verses were decent. it's down to production, beat selection/sequencing.
I'll give you the courtesy of a reply, God's Son came out before any of those. Simple that. ::)
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Nas proved on God's Son he ain't great at putting a whole album together on his lonely
God's Son is arguably the greatest rap album of all time. So what the fuck are you talking about? That album was epic.
...I always thought "The Cross" was written by Eminem. I mean, Eminem produced it, and if you listen to the way Nas rapped on it, it sounds like he's trying to do a voiceover of something Em pre-recorded for him.
god's son is pretty over rated
when people think of Nas it's gonna be for his 90s work point blank
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Nas proved on God's Son he ain't great at putting a whole album together on his lonely
God's Son is arguably the greatest rap album of all time. So what the fuck are you talking about? That album was epic.
...I always thought "The Cross" was written by Eminem. I mean, Eminem produced it, and if you listen to the way Nas rapped on it, it sounds like he's trying to do a voiceover of something Em pre-recorded for him.
god's son is pretty over rated
when people think of Nas it's gonna be for his 90s work point blank
I feel u, but Untitled is a great album. He's an artist who's album discography is well worth exploring, and he still delivers today... even a 'lesser' Nas album has merit
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SO !.....jay-z is co-dependent and knows that if he releases a album without Kanye he is gonna fall to dudes shadow thats why he pointed out that Em needs dre.....fuck Jay-Z play possum again while the game writes your next mixtape or i mean album...
life is good CLASSIC 8)
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i dont know if Nas ever used ghostwriters. thsis is the same guy that ghostwrote for Will Smith, why would he use ghostwriters, if he penned verses for other artists?
i mean if ur a working hiphop-mogul like, say - Snoop or Diddy, ultimately u gona need help from the outside, cuz u can't fit everythin inside ur working-schedule as an entertainer,, but Nas was always a dedicated wordsmith. not sayin its impossible tho
Not to say that Nas does use one but as far as why he would. Simple. Rap is a business. Guy needs to put out albums to keep the money coming in. Snoop used to pen verses for people too and he admits to using ghost-writers. I've heard it said that Kurupt uses them too but who knows if that is true? The pressure to create is there. People are paying for that Nas name... you really think any rapper, be it Cube, Snoop, Nas, is going to stop making music, just because they don't have the lyrics no more. As for whether I believe it? I'm skeptical.
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i dont know if Nas ever used ghostwriters. thsis is the same guy that ghostwrote for Will Smith, why would he use ghostwriters, if he penned verses for other artists?
i mean if ur a working hiphop-mogul like, say - Snoop or Diddy, ultimately u gona need help from the outside, cuz u can't fit everythin inside ur working-schedule as an entertainer,, but Nas was always a dedicated wordsmith. not sayin its impossible tho
Not to say that Nas does use one but as far as why he would. Simple. Rap is a business. Guy needs to put out albums to keep the money coming in. Snoop used to pen verses for people too and he admits to using ghost-writers. I've heard it said that Kurupt uses them too but who knows if that is true? The pressure to create is there. People are paying for that Nas name... you really think any rapper, be it Cube, Snoop, Nas, is going to stop making music, just because they don't have the lyrics no more. As for whether I believe it? I'm skeptical.
Right. Even artists of Nas' caliber will need to be in the zone to write their best stuff. The producer can be the guy to talk tracks over, give em a lyric, mood or theme for a track. The hook might be there etc etc. Kurupt writes really well working with Fredwreck for example. Fred knows how to get him focused and deliver something good. Otherwise its dick dick bitch bitch gobble gobble
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Most people don't seem to understand how common something like this is in the business of art. Historically, one guy gets all the credit while a whole bunch of guys do the work. Michelangelo didn't paint the chapel alone. He had a team. He did the main parts but I'm willing to bet there some great stuff on that celing credited tohim done by another guy. Major novelists would work in groups to.
Film recaptures this basic idea the best. Look at Saving Private Ryan. Robert Hodat wrote the story, Janusz Kamiński set up the shots and pictures, John Williams wrote the music, Tom Hanks acted out the role. But in the end it'll be remembered as another masterpiece by Stephen Spielberg. can anyone actually pinpoint what was thought of and created by Spielberg? Or what was just given the okay by Spielberg, or better yet, what was rejected by Spielberg but forced in by the studio if another executive producer.
No one can actually know for sure. So if it come out that Nas had a great idea for an album (great meaning accepting consensus. I haven't listen to a Nas album in 10 years), but he needed help to finish it, I don't have a problem with that.
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Here is why I don't have a problem with this. It's like Snoop, he wrote his lyrics when he was young with help from the DOC, then later had ghostwriters. Did I think less of him, no, because to me it was his younger days that I enjoy more. With Nas, same thing, he wrote Illmatic and Stillmatic. Cornmega ghostwrote a song, but the songs Nas wrote were classics. As an older artist, he had more ghostwriters and I yawn. Old rappers just don't got it like that anymore. If Jay and Kanye had ghostwriters, same thing.
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I don't see it as the same. Obviously in creating something, there are many hands that go into it and the reality is a lot of them take a backseat when it comes to credit. That's the nature of the business. Creativety is a collaborative business, especially on a commercial level. But if it came out that other artists were writing whole verses for Nas then I don't know about that. I can accept that other cats might come up with song ideas and concepts and he may grab a line or two but it would hard to call if it was discovered that dude hasn't been writing some of these albums but again, his written material kind of sounds consistent with how he writes and expresses himself so we'll see how much truth there is to any of this. Until proven otherwise, he's still one of the best lyricists that ever done it.
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Both jay and stoc.man said it was lies and that the bitch is a nut.
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Both jay and stoc.man said it was lies and that the bitch is a nut.
stoc.man ?
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Most people don't seem to understand how common something like this is in the business of art. Historically, one guy gets all the credit while a whole bunch of guys do the work. Michelangelo didn't paint the chapel alone. He had a team. He did the main parts but I'm willing to bet there some great stuff on that celing credited tohim done by another guy. Major novelists would work in groups to.
Film recaptures this basic idea the best. Look at Saving Private Ryan. Robert Hodat wrote the story, Janusz Kamiński set up the shots and pictures, John Williams wrote the music, Tom Hanks acted out the role. But in the end it'll be remembered as another masterpiece by Stephen Spielberg. can anyone actually pinpoint what was thought of and created by Spielberg? Or what was just given the okay by Spielberg, or better yet, what was rejected by Spielberg but forced in by the studio if another executive producer.
No one can actually know for sure. So if it come out that Nas had a great idea for an album (great meaning accepting consensus. I haven't listen to a Nas album in 10 years), but he needed help to finish it, I don't have a problem with that.
great point,
all of those guys got their share of the credit for their involvemtn in the film (Saving priveat ryan that u mentioend), but Spielberg directed it so obviously he desrves the headliner, unlike say, the composer who were obvioulsy involved in the film to create the music n nothin else
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Most people don't seem to understand how common something like this is in the business of art. Historically, one guy gets all the credit while a whole bunch of guys do the work. Michelangelo didn't paint the chapel alone. He had a team. He did the main parts but I'm willing to bet there some great stuff on that celing credited tohim done by another guy. Major novelists would work in groups to.
Film recaptures this basic idea the best. Look at Saving Private Ryan. Robert Hodat wrote the story, Janusz Kamiński set up the shots and pictures, John Williams wrote the music, Tom Hanks acted out the role. But in the end it'll be remembered as another masterpiece by Stephen Spielberg. can anyone actually pinpoint what was thought of and created by Spielberg? Or what was just given the okay by Spielberg, or better yet, what was rejected by Spielberg but forced in by the studio if another executive producer.
No one can actually know for sure. So if it come out that Nas had a great idea for an album (great meaning accepting consensus. I haven't listen to a Nas album in 10 years), but he needed help to finish it, I don't have a problem with that.
great point,
all of those guys got their share of the credit for their involvemtn in the film (Saving priveat ryan that u mentioend), but Spielberg directed it so obviously he desrves the headliner, unlike say, the composer who were obvioulsy involved in the film to create the music n nothin else
LMFAO
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Most people don't seem to understand how common something like this is in the business of art. Historically, one guy gets all the credit while a whole bunch of guys do the work. Michelangelo didn't paint the chapel alone. He had a team. He did the main parts but I'm willing to bet there some great stuff on that celing credited tohim done by another guy. Major novelists would work in groups to.
Film recaptures this basic idea the best. Look at Saving Private Ryan. Robert Hodat wrote the story, Janusz Kamiński set up the shots and pictures, John Williams wrote the music, Tom Hanks acted out the role. But in the end it'll be remembered as another masterpiece by Stephen Spielberg. can anyone actually pinpoint what was thought of and created by Spielberg? Or what was just given the okay by Spielberg, or better yet, what was rejected by Spielberg but forced in by the studio if another executive producer.
No one can actually know for sure. So if it come out that Nas had a great idea for an album (great meaning accepting consensus. I haven't listen to a Nas album in 10 years), but he needed help to finish it, I don't have a problem with that.
great point,
all of those guys got their share of the credit for their involvemtn in the film (Saving priveat ryan that u mentioend), but Spielberg directed it so obviously he desrves the headliner, unlike say, the composer who were obvioulsy involved in the film to create the music n nothin else
LMFAO
What I'm trying to say is the film industry doesn't try and place the credit of creating the art on a sole artist, in the credits. In the history of it all the big names get the credit for things whether they deserve it or not, like Tom Brady (sorry, I had to drop that in there), but in the actual liner notes tell you exactly who did what, more or less.
Where as in writing, people don't want to accept that it wasn't the author all by himself. They have to give the author sole credit as the artist or label him a hack.
If I found out that every verse on Illmatic was written by different people and Nas brought all these verses together and made an album that sounded like one person wrote it I'd still think he was great for being able to do that. And I'd still prause Nas the rapper. No one cares to asks who wrote Pacino's lines in Scarface; they sure as fuck weren't written by him. Now I'd still slight Nas for claiming to write all the verses if he didn't, but I wouldn't call him a hack.
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No I got your point, just Mike reiterating It like a 5 year old made me LOL
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On top of all that, he ghost wrote Will Smith's album, so he took part in ghost writing as well. If he used ghost writers on Untitled, I don't think less of him. It's not like he's Eazy E who couldn't put a song together for his debut album.
And if Jay uses ghost writers at this point of his career, that's nothing to be ashamed of either. I don't knock Snoop for doing in towards the end of his career. Once you reach a certain level, you can get away with it.
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On top of all that, he ghost wrote Will Smith's album, so he took part in ghost writing as well. If he used ghost writers on Untitled, I don't think less of him. It's not like he's Eazy E who couldn't put a song together for his debut album.
And if Jay uses ghost writers at this point of his career, that's nothing to be ashamed of either. I don't knock Snoop for doing in towards the end of his career. Once you reach a certain level, you can get away with it.
I think Nas doing it is gonna hurt some (self proclaimed) hiphop headz™
People wanna believe artists like Nas are on some untouchable genius shit. By using ghost writers its like a chink in the armour of hiphops foundation.
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On top of all that, he ghost wrote Will Smith's album, so he took part in ghost writing as well. If he used ghost writers on Untitled, I don't think less of him. It's not like he's Eazy E who couldn't put a song together for his debut album.
And if Jay uses ghost writers at this point of his career, that's nothing to be ashamed of either. I don't knock Snoop for doing in towards the end of his career. Once you reach a certain level, you can get away with it.
I think Nas doing it is gonna hurt some (self proclaimed) hiphop headz™
People wanna believe artists like Nas are on some untouchable genius shit. By using ghost writers its like a chink in the armour of hiphops foundation.
oh yeah, but Hip-Hop heads don't realize how many artist use them. Even underground artist. I ghostwrote a couple of songs for people, they never made it but they had an international following in like Thailand or some crazy place like that. Also I know I've heard some dubcc keystyle lines get bit off in more than a couple of radio songs. To me, it's who's doing it and when. If it's Eazy E and he don't write any of his own songs... okay then I take him as an entertainer, not a lyricist. But if it's Nas, or Snoop and they wrote the majority of their lyrics themselves, but at the end of their careers they are established and already have a place in Hip-Hop, then I can care less. Like I said about Snoop vs. Immortal Technique. Technique prides himself on being a lyricist, so if he had ghostwriters then I will be mad. But Snoop having ghost writers at the later stages of his career doesn't bother me because he's that big.
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I don't knock Snoop for doing in towards the end of his career.
snoop did it in the beginning, as well
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I don't knock Snoop for doing in towards the end of his career.
snoop did it in the beginning, as well
correct.
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I don't knock Snoop for doing in towards the end of his career.
snoop did it in the beginning, as well
correct.
Snoop only gets a pass because his debut album is one of the illest of all time
but Snoop did write a lot of his hits like G Thang and Deep Cover
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Both jay and stoc.man said it was lies and that the bitch is a nut.
stoc.man ?
It's called auto correct, but if it makes you feel good to jump on a typo, go for it.
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