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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: rayallen0 on March 09, 2012, 12:32:13 PM
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Peyton Manning in 2010:
4,700 yds, 32 TDs, 17 INTs, 66.3% cpg, 91.9 rating
Cam Newton in 2011:
4,051 yds, 21 TDs, 17 INTs, 60.0% cpg, 84.5 rating
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CAM and its not even close, nothing against Peyton but besides one grainy video we know nothing about how hes healing..Cam is a special talent Like peyton is that will only come along once or so in a lifetime his size speed arm strength body size everything, its unreal
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CAM and its not even close, nothing against Peyton but besides one grainy video we know nothing about how hes healing..Cam is a special talent Like peyton is that will only come along once or so in a lifetime his size speed arm strength body size everything, its unreal
Now we're starting to get back to where we were.
Let me make it very clear that I would not as Carolina's GM bring in Peyton under any circumstances, because we'd have no chance at a Superbowl on that shit team either way.
But give me a fucking break if you'd rather have Cam than Peyton on a contender for next year, and next year alone. Let's say both Baltimore and Houston were in the hunt and both Peyton and cam are available, whoever gets Peyton goes farther than whoever gets Cam. And that's a fucking guarantee. Cam put up a lot of yards in a lot of games coming from behind in an era where you can't touch WRs past 5 yards.
And even then he started way better than he finished. The first 8 games before the bye Cam had 1 game under 200 and 3 games in the vicinity of 400. The 8 games after the bye he had 5 games under 200 and no games over 300 yards. Peyton started much slower but finished much stronger in his rookie season.
I don't care where his arm strength is, his head alone makes him better than Cam right now for a one season situation.
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^Is that the alias or the real Shallow?
As for my pick:
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^Is that the alias or the real Shallow?
As for my pick:
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Yeah, but you'd take Sanchez over Peyton.
For the record I wouldn't think about Sanchez over Newton. I think Newton has all the potential in the world, and a great future ahead of him, but were talking 1 season for 1 season only, and no way would any GM take Cam over Peyton in that scenario if the stipulation was Superbowl victory or you're fired for life: it's Peyton and it's an insult of a debate.
And I'll fully agree that I'd take cam over Peyton if I were re-building and looking towards being a contender for the future, but for "next season" Peyton's going to be in the MVP race (you can quote me on that) and Cam won't even be close to it.
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I'd take Cam.
I'm going to laugh if a team breaks the bank for Peyton and he gets hurt first game. Peyton is one hit away from his career being over. Their is ZERO gaurantee he's the same player he was. You know the same player that continuously choked in big games and was made his bitch by Brady over and over and over.
Oh I know Peyton has a super bowl. Never mind the fact that Peyton had a terrible post season that year throwing more ints then Tds
Look at these stats
78.9 comp%/1 TD/3 int/pass per attempt 7.05/passer rating 71.9/Colts win vs KC 23-8
50.0 comp%/0 TD/2 int/pass per attempt 5.67/passer rating 39.6/Colts win @ Bal 15-6
57.4 comp%/1 TD/1 int/pass per attempt 7.43/passer rating 79.1/1 rush TD/Colts win vs NE 38-34
65.8 comp%/1 TD/1 int/pass per attempt 6.50/passer rating 81.8/Colts win vs Chi 29-17
For the supposed "best qb of all time" those are pretty pathetic.
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I'd take Cam.
I'm going to laugh if a team breaks the bank for Peyton and he gets hurt first game. Peyton is one hit away from his career being over. Their is ZERO gaurantee he's the same player he was. You know the same player that continuously choked in big games and was made his bitch by Brady over and over and over.
Oh I know Peyton has a super bowl. Never mind the fact that Peyton had a terrible post season that year throwing more ints then Tds
Look at these stats
78.9 comp%/1 TD/3 int/pass per attempt 7.05/passer rating 71.9/Colts win vs KC 23-8
50.0 comp%/0 TD/2 int/pass per attempt 5.67/passer rating 39.6/Colts win @ Bal 15-6
57.4 comp%/1 TD/1 int/pass per attempt 7.43/passer rating 79.1/1 rush TD/Colts win vs NE 38-34
65.8 comp%/1 TD/1 int/pass per attempt 6.50/passer rating 81.8/Colts win vs Chi 29-17
For the supposed "best qb of all time" those are pretty pathetic.
Those games were rigged. If you knew anything about football you would know that Peyton is the greatest. Put Peyton on the Patriots and they would have gone 16-0 every year and won most (if not all) superbowls.
PS, fuck you
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LOL, no, my friend. I hate Sanchez. I'm sure you can pull up some quotes by me from a while ago of me saying differently, but about halfway into this season I gave up on him. I can't stand him. I'd try Brett Favre again.
When Mark signed the three year extension yesterday I threw up for hours.
Anyway, you're insane if you don't have the expectations of Cam being in the MVP race. The man has a complete season under his belt & had arguably the greatest rookie season anyone has ever had. He made some throwing mistakes, but that team faced some injuries, Deangelo Williams is awful now & above all Cam was a rookie. I mean, I don't think he'll win MVP because you're going to have your Rodgers & Brady who will put up their near 5,000 yards passing, 35+ TD's. But he'll be top five consideration. Especially since this league, with the current pussy QB protection rules is going to be full on 100% "have a great QB or lose" league, he's going to be throwing the ball all next season.
& I say all this, but just the idea that you "don't expect" him to "close" to the MVP race is just a baseless statement. Why? Because it's against Peyton? Because nothing in his rookie season leads you to believe he's going to have a bad/average/decent year. The kid made the Pro-Bowl in his rookie year. Logically, you'd say he's going to be better & better than what he was is MVP-worthy.
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If the question was, "Which QB would you rather have next season? Cam Newton or Peyton Manning from 2010?" I'd probably take Peyton for the season. But we're talking about a guy who had a pretty serious neck injury & just sat out a complete season & will ease his way back onto the football field. Where Cam right now as I type is probably working on his game in some random gym.
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LOL, no, my friend. I hate Sanchez. I'm sure you can pull up some quotes by me from a while ago of me saying differently, but about halfway into this season I gave up on him. I can't stand him. I'd try Brett Favre again.
When Mark signed the three year extension yesterday I threw up for hours.
Anyway, you're insane if you don't have the expectations of Cam being in the MVP race. The man has a complete season under his belt & had arguably the greatest rookie season anyone has ever had. He made some throwing mistakes, but that team faced some injuries, Deangelo Williams is awful now & above all Cam was a rookie. I mean, I don't think he'll win MVP because you're going to have your Rodgers & Brady who will put up their near 5,000 yards passing, 35+ TD's. But he'll be top five consideration. Especially since this league, with the current pussy QB protection rules is going to be full on 100% "have a great QB or lose" league, he's going to be throwing the ball all next season.
& I say all this, but just the idea that you "don't expect" him to "close" to the MVP race is just a baseless statement. Why? Because it's against Peyton? Because nothing in his rookie season leads you to believe he's going to have a bad/average/decent year. The kid made the Pro-Bowl in his rookie year. Logically, you'd say he's going to be better & better than what he was is MVP-worthy.
Nothing about this season makes me think he was even close to being in an MVP discussion. He had an explosive start statistically but really flattened out near the end. It wasa great rookie season for a QB. The best I've seen in years. But a Rookie of the Year and being an MVP candidate are night and day. I'm not one of those idiots that thinks it was even close between Cam and Dalton. Dalton was asked to step and don't make mistakes and his team outplayed him almost every game. Cam was asked to gab the bull by the horns and control more than he showed. Teh difference in the rookie seasons of Cam and Dalton is the same difference in the careers of Manning and Brady.
I didn't have a rookie Peyton Manning in the MVP discussion, and for that matter I didn't have the second year 13-3 Manning in the discussion either. I remember that year well. Warner won it, and Faulk really should have been given a co-MVP award that year. Peyton that year wasn't really all that much more important than James or Harrison, who both in my opinion had the best seasons of their career. Doug Flutie in Buffalo was much more valuable to his team than Peyton was, and no stats can help my argument but the way that team was set up on offense Peyton wouldn't have looked much better than Rob Johnson on the Bills, THAT YEAR. Where as Futie on the Colts still would have gotten them to the playoffs, and maybe even the Superbowl.
Now what I'm saying is not a baseless argument, it's an outright prediction; barring a freak super year by another QB or a 2,200+ yard rushing season, Peyton Manning will be the first player ever to win Comeback Player of the Year and MVP in the same year. He's going to pick a team with a defense, an o-line, and a beast #1 WR and he's going to rival his best statistical year ever, if not beat it. And whatever team he picks will be at least 11-5
Cam newton will start slow, like he ended, and pick it up by mid-season and I can't see a season for the Panthers being better than 9-7. And probably less than 7-9. And Cam will not get a single MVP vote, and no one will say "Cam should be in the discussion. The next 2 or 3 years after next year maybe, but not next year.
Quote me on this mid season, and then again at the end of the season next year. Peyton will not get injured because of the surgery. If some freak ankle or knee injury happens I don't know, but it won't be because of a bad neck or a bad shoulder taking too much of a beating, like what happened with Favre.
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Peyton
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CAM and its not even close, nothing against Peyton but besides one grainy video we know nothing about how hes healing..Cam is a special talent Like peyton is that will only come along once or so in a lifetime his size speed arm strength body size everything, its unreal
Now we're starting to get back to where we were.
Let me make it very clear that I would not as Carolina's GM bring in Peyton under any circumstances, because we'd have no chance at a Superbowl on that shit team either way.
But give me a fucking break if you'd rather have Cam than Peyton on a contender for next year, and next year alone. Let's say both Baltimore and Houston were in the hunt and both Peyton and cam are available, whoever gets Peyton goes farther than whoever gets Cam. And that's a fucking guarantee. Cam put up a lot of yards in a lot of games coming from behind in an era where you can't touch WRs past 5 yards.
And even then he started way better than he finished. The first 8 games before the bye Cam had 1 game under 200 and 3 games in the vicinity of 400. The 8 games after the bye he had 5 games under 200 and no games over 300 yards. Peyton started much slower but finished much stronger in his rookie season.
I don't care where his arm strength is, his head alone makes him better than Cam right now for a one season situation.
IF WE KNEW FOR SURE PEYTON WAS HEALTHY ID TAKE PEYTON FOR ONE SEASON THATS OBVIOUS! BUT WE DONT!!! So if i had to choose right now id take Cam, u can scoff all you want Shallow, but thats real talk
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I'd take Cam.
I'm going to laugh if a team breaks the bank for Peyton and he gets hurt first game. Peyton is one hit away from his career being over. Their is ZERO gaurantee he's the same player he was. You know the same player that continuously choked in big games and was made his bitch by Brady over and over and over.
Oh I know Peyton has a super bowl. Never mind the fact that Peyton had a terrible post season that year throwing more ints then Tds
Look at these stats
78.9 comp%/1 TD/3 int/pass per attempt 7.05/passer rating 71.9/Colts win vs KC 23-8
50.0 comp%/0 TD/2 int/pass per attempt 5.67/passer rating 39.6/Colts win @ Bal 15-6
57.4 comp%/1 TD/1 int/pass per attempt 7.43/passer rating 79.1/1 rush TD/Colts win vs NE 38-34
65.8 comp%/1 TD/1 int/pass per attempt 6.50/passer rating 81.8/Colts win vs Chi 29-17
For the supposed "best qb of all time" those are pretty pathetic.
Those games were rigged. If you knew anything about football you would know that Peyton is the greatest. Put Peyton on the Patriots and they would have gone 16-0 every year and won most (if not all) superbowls.
PS, fuck you
im sure he would have loved throwing to Troy Brown, Jabar Gafney, and Reche Caldwell LOL...I think id rather throw to wayne, harrison, clark, etc
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CAM and its not even close, nothing against Peyton but besides one grainy video we know nothing about how hes healing..Cam is a special talent Like peyton is that will only come along once or so in a lifetime his size speed arm strength body size everything, its unreal
Now we're starting to get back to where we were.
Let me make it very clear that I would not as Carolina's GM bring in Peyton under any circumstances, because we'd have no chance at a Superbowl on that shit team either way.
But give me a fucking break if you'd rather have Cam than Peyton on a contender for next year, and next year alone. Let's say both Baltimore and Houston were in the hunt and both Peyton and cam are available, whoever gets Peyton goes farther than whoever gets Cam. And that's a fucking guarantee. Cam put up a lot of yards in a lot of games coming from behind in an era where you can't touch WRs past 5 yards.
And even then he started way better than he finished. The first 8 games before the bye Cam had 1 game under 200 and 3 games in the vicinity of 400. The 8 games after the bye he had 5 games under 200 and no games over 300 yards. Peyton started much slower but finished much stronger in his rookie season.
I don't care where his arm strength is, his head alone makes him better than Cam right now for a one season situation.
IF WE KNEW FOR SURE PEYTON WAS HEALTHY ID TAKE PEYTON FOR ONE SEASON THATS OBVIOUS! BUT WE DONT!!! So if i had to choose right now id take Cam, u can scoff all you want Shallow, but thats real talk
He is healthy for sure. His doctors said his neck is better than it's been in years and Reggie Wayne says he Peyton has the arm to out-throw him on deep balls, and that Duke video had him throwing all over the field.
Can one bad hit change all that? Yeah, but it can do it just as easily to Cam, with the way he runs out of the pocket.
If he's playing he's healthy, if he's not healthy enough to play he won't be playing. So that means if it's Cam vs an unhealthy Peyton, that's easy because an unhealthy Peyton won't be on the field.
im sure he would have loved throwing to Troy Brown, Jabar Gafney, and Reche Caldwell LOL...I think id rather throw to wayne, harrison, clark, etc
What about Jacob Tamme, Blair White, Austin Collie, and Pierre Garcon. Yeah he still had Wayne, but I'll take Richard Seymour, Tedi Bruschi, Vince Wilfork, Ansanti Samuel, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Willie McGinest on any of those past Colts teams amd BRady can have Wayne and Harrison. They'll end up looking as good as Chad did on that team.
What's a finesse route runners worst enemy? Tom Brady's arm.
Basically if you can adjust to misthrown balls and fight for your spot you can't play with Tom. Look at any highlight reel of the career of David Patten and see how it outshines that of Reggie or Marvin. The only decent throw Brady is good at is sticking it up the middle. Everything else, he's sub par. His deep balls are short, his crossing routes are off the mark, and his corner fades.... well at least he knows better than to even attempt those throws.
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Peyton meeting with the Titans tomorrow or Weds
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CAM and its not even close, nothing against Peyton but besides one grainy video we know nothing about how hes healing..Cam is a special talent Like peyton is that will only come along once or so in a lifetime his size speed arm strength body size everything, its unreal
Now we're starting to get back to where we were.
Let me make it very clear that I would not as Carolina's GM bring in Peyton under any circumstances, because we'd have no chance at a Superbowl on that shit team either way.
But give me a fucking break if you'd rather have Cam than Peyton on a contender for next year, and next year alone. Let's say both Baltimore and Houston were in the hunt and both Peyton and cam are available, whoever gets Peyton goes farther than whoever gets Cam. And that's a fucking guarantee. Cam put up a lot of yards in a lot of games coming from behind in an era where you can't touch WRs past 5 yards.
And even then he started way better than he finished. The first 8 games before the bye Cam had 1 game under 200 and 3 games in the vicinity of 400. The 8 games after the bye he had 5 games under 200 and no games over 300 yards. Peyton started much slower but finished much stronger in his rookie season.
I don't care where his arm strength is, his head alone makes him better than Cam right now for a one season situation.
IF WE KNEW FOR SURE PEYTON WAS HEALTHY ID TAKE PEYTON FOR ONE SEASON THATS OBVIOUS! BUT WE DONT!!! So if i had to choose right now id take Cam, u can scoff all you want Shallow, but thats real talk
He is healthy for sure. His doctors said his neck is better than it's been in years and Reggie Wayne says he Peyton has the arm to out-throw him on deep balls, and that Duke video had him throwing all over the field.
Can one bad hit change all that? Yeah, but it can do it just as easily to Cam, with the way he runs out of the pocket.
If he's playing he's healthy, if he's not healthy enough to play he won't be playing. So that means if it's Cam vs an unhealthy Peyton, that's easy because an unhealthy Peyton won't be on the field.
im sure he would have loved throwing to Troy Brown, Jabar Gafney, and Reche Caldwell LOL...I think id rather throw to wayne, harrison, clark, etc
What about Jacob Tamme, Blair White, Austin Collie, and Pierre Garcon. Yeah he still had Wayne, but I'll take Richard Seymour, Tedi Bruschi, Vince Wilfork, Ansanti Samuel, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Willie McGinest on any of those past Colts teams amd BRady can have Wayne and Harrison. They'll end up looking as good as Chad did on that team.
What's a finesse route runners worst enemy? Tom Brady's arm.
Basically if you can adjust to misthrown balls and fight for your spot you can't play with Tom. Look at any highlight reel of the career of David Patten and see how it outshines that of Reggie or Marvin. The only decent throw Brady is good at is sticking it up the middle. Everything else, he's sub par. His deep balls are short, his crossing routes are off the mark, and his corner fades.... well at least he knows better than to even attempt those throws.
oh yeah i forgot blair white, collie, and garcon were around when brady won his superbowls ::)
LOL ur such a brady hater its comical
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Peyton in Miami would be dominate.
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Peyton meeting with the Titans tomorrow or Weds
How you feel about that? I know you said you think Locker will learn better under Hasselbeck but Peyton guarantees the division, and maybe a bye. CJ2K became CJ1K because you didn't have to respect the pass at all (or the QB rushing). But with Peyton you may have to respect the pass more than the run and that might mean serious production from CJ.
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Peyton meeting with the Titans tomorrow or Weds
How you feel about that? I know you said you think Locker will learn better under Hasselbeck but Peyton guarantees the division, and maybe a bye. CJ2K became CJ1K because you didn't have to respect the pass at all (or the QB rushing). But with Peyton you may have to respect the pass more than the run and that might mean serious production from CJ.
I'm concerned. Locker was taken to be the future. If Manning signs with the Titans, that seriously jeopardizes that and we just threw away a first round pick. I'd imagine it'd be difficult to sign Manning and keep Locker around for another 2-3 years in a bench role. Plus we seriously need to upgrade the pass rush. The story just came out saying Titans shift focus from Mario Williams to Peyton Manning and that's annoying 'cause Mario was a guy I've wanted all along and so did the front office. The owner (92 year old Bud Adams) pops up outta nowhere and fucks up a good plan put together by good football minds (our front office idea to sign Mario Williams).
With all that said, it'd be pretty hard for me to NOT get excited about signing Peyton Freakin' Manning. If it happens, I'm sure I'd be excited.
But it will suck to not sign Peyton or Mario.
I think it'd look appealing for the short term but I'd be seriously concerned for the future.
I'll just sit back and see how it plays out. Whatever happens, happens.
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Peyton meeting with the Titans tomorrow or Weds
How you feel about that? I know you said you think Locker will learn better under Hasselbeck but Peyton guarantees the division, and maybe a bye. CJ2K became CJ1K because you didn't have to respect the pass at all (or the QB rushing). But with Peyton you may have to respect the pass more than the run and that might mean serious production from CJ.
I'm concerned. Locker was taken to be the future. If Manning signs with the Titans, that seriously jeopardizes that and we just threw away a first round pick. I'd imagine it'd be difficult to sign Manning and keep Locker around for another 2-3 years in a bench role. Plus we seriously need to upgrade the pass rush. The story just came out saying Titans shift focus from Mario Williams to Peyton Manning and that's annoying 'cause Mario was a guy I've wanted all along and so did the front office. The owner (92 year old Bud Adams) pops up outta nowhere and fucks up a good plan put together by good football minds (our front office idea to sign Mario Williams).
With all that said, it'd be pretty hard for me to NOT get excited about signing Peyton Freakin' Manning. If it happens, I'm sure I'd be excited.
But it will suck to not sign Peyton or Mario.
I think it'd look appealing for the short term but I'd be seriously concerned for the future.
I'll just sit back and see how it plays out. Whatever happens, happens.
Not sure what the cap looks like but getting Manning first would be a great way to get Mario to sign for a contender. I can't see anyone in the AFC South not winning the division with Manning, even Jacksonville. The AFC South and AFC West are the only guarantee division titles with Manning I see. Beating the Pats isn't a lock in the East, the Steelers and Ravens in the North, the Niners in the NFC West, the Packers in the North, and who knows what's going to happen with the Saints next year, (I predicted a down turn with the loss of Williams before the scandal), and the NFC East is the most unpredictable division ever.
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You're looking at 32 million for both Mario & Manning.. Not gonna happen
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You're looking at 32 million for both Mario & Manning.. Not gonna happen
I'd rather it not, and I'd also there be no Wayne, Clark or anyone else involved. I've long claimed that the difference between the 2000s Colts and the 2000s Bills is 18, so any team right now with Peyton is a better team than the Colts of the last ten years, so I expect bigger things from that team than than the Colts have done, and I'd rather no other big free agents get added to the mix to share the credit.
My main goal here is to rub it in people's faces that I was right, and 1 or 2 rings in the next 4 years with any number of these single digit win teams and no other acquisitions makes it hard for even my greatest antagonists to argue with any actual belief in what they say.
So bring on the Titans, the Dolphins, the Broncos or the Cards and let's see my theory go to work. If the best he can do with the 9-7 Titans is go 11-5 and one and done for three years then shame on me for arguing all these years, but 1 ring in 4 years will justify everything and his place on the next top 100 will jump from 8 to 1, and 1 more ring after that leaves no one else in the discussion.
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Titans receiving core is underrated with plenty potential. VERY dangerous if Britt can stay healthy. Guys like Damian Williams, Jared Cook, Nate Washington & Lavelle Hawkins would probably look great with Peyton throwing to them.
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I think Peyton Manning is going to be a Titan
Peyton Manning and Tennessee Titans coach Mike Munchak will meet Wednesday, a league source told NFL Network.
NFL Network's Albert Breer reported earlier Tuesday that the Titans are confident in Munchak's ability to recruit -- the coach was a major reason why quarterback Matt Hasselbeck landed in Nashville last year. Titans coach Bud Adams said over the weekend that Manning is the quarterback he wants.
In the event they sign Manning, the Titans would prefer to keep 2011 first-round draft pick Jake Locker, team sources told Breer. Hasselbeck almost certainly would be traded or released.
Manning, the NFL's only four-time MVP, has visited with the Denver Broncos, Arizona Cardinals and Miami Dolphins after being released by the Indianapolis Colts last week.
Former Colts chairman Bill Polian, who worked with Manning in Indianapolis, believes it's a two-team race for the quarterback's services.
"Well, I see it as a dead heat at this point (between the Broncos and Titans)," Polian said Tuesday on ESPN. "The Titans do have the home-field advantage as both he and his wife have a great affection for the state of Tennessee, they have a home in Chattanooga, so it's possible that that could be the deciding factor. But I think for sure (he'll join an) AFC (team) and (it's) very definitely a tough decision for him."
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I think Peyton Manning is going to be a Titan
Peyton Manning and Tennessee Titans coach Mike Munchak will meet Wednesday, a league source told NFL Network.
NFL Network's Albert Breer reported earlier Tuesday that the Titans are confident in Munchak's ability to recruit -- the coach was a major reason why quarterback Matt Hasselbeck landed in Nashville last year. Titans coach Bud Adams said over the weekend that Manning is the quarterback he wants.
In the event they sign Manning, the Titans would prefer to keep 2011 first-round draft pick Jake Locker, team sources told Breer. Hasselbeck almost certainly would be traded or released.
Manning, the NFL's only four-time MVP, has visited with the Denver Broncos, Arizona Cardinals and Miami Dolphins after being released by the Indianapolis Colts last week.
Former Colts chairman Bill Polian, who worked with Manning in Indianapolis, believes it's a two-team race for the quarterback's services.
"Well, I see it as a dead heat at this point (between the Broncos and Titans)," Polian said Tuesday on ESPN. "The Titans do have the home-field advantage as both he and his wife have a great affection for the state of Tennessee, they have a home in Chattanooga, so it's possible that that could be the deciding factor. But I think for sure (he'll join an) AFC (team) and (it's) very definitely a tough decision for him."
Houston won't like it one bit. The Colts are bracing themselves to be losers for the next 3 or 4 years, and the Jags might want to think about Hasselbeck if Peyt comes home to Tenn
A lot of nice stories wit Peyton in Tennessee, the obvious is the Vols connection, the two timesa year he'll play the Colts, and the fact that the Titans used to be the Houston Oilers where Peyton's dad got replaced by Andrew Luck's dad.
With Marshall gone from Miami the Titans or Broncos are the only two teams in the current race I want Peyton to go to. The question with Locker comes in at how long can they bench him and how long does Manning want to play. 3 years or less should be no problem, but if Peyton wants to play 4 or 5 years Jake might start getting restless.
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Titans--Manning connections
Obviously his college career
AFC South
Wife is a Tennessee native
They own a house in Chattanooga
Titans just hired Bill Polian's son
Archie Manning was team mates with Coach Munchak (and is apparently pushing Manning towards the Titans)
Offensive Coordinator Chris Palmer coached Eli Manning in his best statistical season, and they're still close friends to this day
I think I'm missing some too..
That's a whole lot..
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Titans receiving core is underrated with plenty potential. VERY dangerous if Britt can stay healthy. Guys like Damian Williams, Jared Cook, Nate Washington & Lavelle Hawkins would probably look great with Peyton throwing to them.
Britt is a diva. Peyton doesn't do diva's.
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Titans receiving core is underrated with plenty potential. VERY dangerous if Britt can stay healthy. Guys like Damian Williams, Jared Cook, Nate Washington & Lavelle Hawkins would probably look great with Peyton throwing to them.
Britt is a diva. Peyton doesn't do diva's.
Britt has best WR in the NFL talent, hell work just fine with peyton.
And Shallow u cant say the Titans have it LOCKED with Peyton, last time i checked the Texans were pretty damn good
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He's talented. He's just a typical diva.
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Have any of you ever read the 2pac poem about the rose that grew from concrete? That was a prophecy about Peyton in Indiana.
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Have any of you ever read the 2pac poem about the rose that grew from concrete? That was a prophecy about Peyton in Indiana.
i really hope your a female
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Titans receiving core is underrated with plenty potential. VERY dangerous if Britt can stay healthy. Guys like Damian Williams, Jared Cook, Nate Washington & Lavelle Hawkins would probably look great with Peyton throwing to them.
Britt is a diva. Peyton doesn't do diva's.
Britt has best WR in the NFL talent, hell work just fine with peyton.
And Shallow u cant say the Titans have it LOCKED with Peyton, last time i checked the Texans were pretty damn good
It's called a prediction. Nothing LOCKED in the NFL, ever, but I'm saying any team n the AFC South that has Manning will win that division. Especially now that the Texans owner made it seem like he diesn't even want or need Manning as his QB. That'll light a fire under Peyton and I expect him to light up the Houston defense twice if he signs with Tenn.
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How the hell is Britt is a diva? Please explain.
He's not Brandon Marshall, Randy Moss, Owens, etc. NOT EVEN CLOSE.
He's had a few run ins with the law, but he's no diva.
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Titans receiving core is underrated with plenty potential. VERY dangerous if Britt can stay healthy. Guys like Damian Williams, Jared Cook, Nate Washington & Lavelle Hawkins would probably look great with Peyton throwing to them.
Britt is a diva. Peyton doesn't do diva's.
Britt has best WR in the NFL talent, hell work just fine with peyton.
And Shallow u cant say the Titans have it LOCKED with Peyton, last time i checked the Texans were pretty damn good
It's called a prediction. Nothing LOCKED in the NFL, ever, but I'm saying any team n the AFC South that has Manning will win that division. Especially now that the Texans owner made it seem like he diesn't even want or need Manning as his QB. That'll light a fire under Peyton and I expect him to light up the Houston defense twice if he signs with Tenn.
I disagree I still think Houston is better, better defense and a better run game and a passing game that could be better too...
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only site where Arizona isn't even in the conversation lol.
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I disagree I still think Houston is better, better defense and a better run game and a passing game that could be better too...
Don't underestimate what the losses of Winston, Myers (most likely) & Vickers may do to that Houston OL and run game. And our run game should see a big improvement with the signing of Steve Hutchinson and potentially a big C signing like Myers, Wells or Saturday.
If the Titans get Manning, no shot their pass offense will be better than ours. Heck, if we DON'T get Manning, it's still a toss up. Hasselbeck was balling before the Britt injury. Schaub is nothing special.
In terms of defense, yes the Texans' should be better but don't underestimate ours. Rookies last year like Casey, Mccarthy, Klug & Ayers should all be poised for big seasons. Casey, Mccarthy & Ayers were starters btw who played great, so I'm not pulling this out of my ass btw. Klug wasn't a starter, but recorded 7 sacks as a situational pass rusher.
Losing Finnegan sucks but we're very deep at CB. Both starting Safeties return. The DL is what needs A LOT of work. Either way, our D should be no worse than middle of the pack. Getting Manning would drastically improve the D also.
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Texans win that division easily, manning or no manning.
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Texans win that division easily, manning or no manning.
so ur saying if Manning goes to Tennessee the Texasn still win the division??? ??? :-\
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Texans win that division easily, manning or no manning.
so ur saying if Manning goes to Tennessee the Texasn still win the division??? ??? :-\
LOL don't worry, he's a Titans hater to try and bait me
All because his Jets are pathetic
Titans > Jets. Mark Sanchez, LOL.
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I don't hate the titans in the least. I just call them what they are. A mediocre team.
Remind me Luna, when's the last time the titans won a game in the playoffs? It's been almost ten years.
The texans have a top five D, a top five running game, the best receiver in the NFL and a top ten QB. What other team is anywhere near their level in that division? It ain't the titans that's for damn sure.I called the texans being the real deal last season while you scoffed and wore your homer glasses for the titans.
If the jets are pathetic, what does that make the titans?They haven't even been the playoffs in almost four years. Now that's pathetic.
In the years I've posted here I'm about 13-0 against you in predictions when it comes to the titans. They aren't a bad team at all they just aren't a good one.
If the titans win their division I'll delete my account. But, that's not going to happen.
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Now, as far as your claims go with qbs. You say Matt hasselbeck was ballin, Matt schaub is nothing special and mark Sanchez is a joke.
But you look at the stats and hasselbeck and Sanchez have very comparable numbers. Sanchez threw for 3,447 yds, 26 Tds, 18 ints and had a qb rating of 78.2. While hasselbeck threw for 3,571 yds, 18 Tds , 14 ints and had a QB rating of 82.4.
So hasselbeck was ballin and Sanchez is pathetic? LOL. Fail.Take off the homer glasses Luna, you're making yourself look dumb.
Schaub meanwhile in only ten games threw for 2,479 yds, 15 Tds,6 ints and had a QB rating of 96.8. Schaubs career QB rating is 92.8. Peyton manning has a career qb rating of 94.9 to put that into perspective. Not bad for someone who's " nothing special." Matt hasselbecks career qb rating is 82.2.
You clearly are blinded by the love of your team.
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ok Hasselbeck trashing is not cool.
and da fuck u getting steve hutchinson and matt? trying to make are super bowl team?
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Where did I trash him?
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Texans win that division easily, manning or no manning.
so ur saying if Manning goes to Tennessee the Texasn still win the division??? ??? :-\
Not just win he says, but easily win. Like the 10-6 to 9-7 difference this year was so huge that there's no way Peyton can take the "lowly" Titans past Houston. Peyton beat the Texans in that division with a glorified CFL team for the entire time the Texans were in the league. Now that he's on an actual NFL team, even a "mediocre" one will be enough to get him to a ring.
Just out of curiosity, what will the be the excuses of all you twits if whatever team Peyt goes to wins in the first year? You'll probably try and pull out my Brady arguments and pretend they apply.
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Peyton behind our already good pass blocking line with Hutch comin in and maybe one of the Texans fa would be ridiculous. CJ is gonna be revitalised by finally havin a great qb and should have a return to form. And Britt healthy with Williams showing promise our offense would instantly be supercharged by what a healthy Peyton would bring.
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If the colts were a CFL team how did they win a superbowl in spite of Peyton not because of him?
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Now, as far as your claims go with qbs. You say Matt hasselbeck was ballin, Matt schaub is nothing special and mark Sanchez is a joke.
But you look at the stats and hasselbeck and Sanchez have very comparable numbers. Sanchez threw for 3,447 yds, 26 Tds, 18 ints and had a qb rating of 78.2. While hasselbeck threw for 3,571 yds, 18 Tds , 14 ints and had a QB rating of 82.4.
So hasselbeck was ballin and Sanchez is pathetic? LOL. Fail.Take off the homer glasses Luna, you're making yourself look dumb.
Schaub meanwhile in only ten games threw for 2,479 yds, 15 Tds,6 ints and had a QB rating of 96.8. Schaubs career QB rating is 92.8. Peyton manning has a career qb rating of 94.9 to put that into perspective. Not bad for someone who's " nothing special." Matt hasselbecks career qb rating is 82.2.
You clearly are blinded by the love of your team.
No homer glasses
The difference is...
Matt Hasselbeck is a temporary to fix to our next franchise QB.
Mark Sanchez IS YOUR FRANCHISE QB
The comparable #s show why he's pathetic and Hasselbeck is not.
Hasselbeck would be lucky to start this season, Manning or no Manning.
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Peyton behind our already good pass blocking line with Hutch comin in and maybe one of the Texans fa would be ridiculous. CJ is gonna be revitalised by finally havin a great qb and should have a return to form. And Britt healthy with Williams showing promise our offense would instantly be supercharged by what a healthy Peyton would bring.
GREAT off-season, Manning or no Manning. Hutch is a BIG signing, and rumors say we're close to signing Scott Wells and dumping Eugene Amano. Our OL next year is going to be ridiculous. CJ should be back on track if we do indeed sign Wells.
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If the colts were a CFL team how did they win a superbowl in spite of Peyton not because of him?
Because they played CFL calibre offenses on the way to the AFC title game and Brady choked with the game on the line, then played another CFL caliber offense in the Superbowl. No fucking way do the Colts of 06 beat the Chargers that year, or the Saints in the Superbowl. And if the Pats had a QB that knew how to finish when down by 4, like Eli, they would have beaten the Colts that year too.
It wasn't that the Colts played well in the 06 playoffs. It's that the other teams played so bad.
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Titans sign 7 time pro bowl OL (first ballot Hof) Steve Hutchinson and are on the verge of signing Packers pro bowl C Scott Wells. This will make us a top 3 OL team in the league, easily. We have a superior RB and better WR/TE targets.
How the fuck is this even a discussion between Titans & Broncos?
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Arizonia is the best fit for him.
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Arizonia is the best fit for him.
But he's already told them no.
I'm talking between Titans & Broncos, Titans are a better fit.
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Arizonia is the best fit for him.
But he's already told them no.
I'm talking between Titans & Broncos, Titans are a better fit.
he did? weird sorry wasnt up to date.
I would prefer Broncos, just cuz i want to see Jake start ASAP. but playing behind Peyton can only help your learning process.
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Arizonia is the best fit for him.
But he's already told them no.
I'm talking between Titans & Broncos, Titans are a better fit.
he did? weird sorry wasnt up to date.
I would prefer Broncos, just cuz i want to see Jake start ASAP. but playing behind Peyton can only help your learning process.
Yep, Arizona picked up the option on Kolb today (something they wouldn't do if Peyton was going there).
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looks like the 49ers are now in the hunt.
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looks like the 49ers are now in the hunt.
The problem with the Niners is while on paper it looks like the best chance to win it all, and probably is, the downside is really high. He'll be walking into a new team he doesn't know, he might end up clashing with the coach and with Moss and it may end up a disaster but it'll be seen as the ultimate choke.
Like what happened in Philly this year. The good thing is the division is so shit they should get into the playoffs easy, where as the NFC East is pretty tough. I'm certain that the Eagles the way they were playing at the end of the season may have been what the Giants were had they got in, and may very well eat up that division next year.
Basically if he goes to the Niners he has to win it all in the first year or it looks bad. With the Titans or Broncos an AFC Title game, even a loss would be seen as a successful season.
The win win for me is that The MoSav will be disappointed next year in some way no matter what happens.
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Now, as far as your claims go with qbs. You say Matt hasselbeck was ballin, Matt schaub is nothing special and mark Sanchez is a joke.
But you look at the stats and hasselbeck and Sanchez have very comparable numbers. Sanchez threw for 3,447 yds, 26 Tds, 18 ints and had a qb rating of 78.2. While hasselbeck threw for 3,571 yds, 18 Tds , 14 ints and had a QB rating of 82.4.
So hasselbeck was ballin and Sanchez is pathetic? LOL. Fail.Take off the homer glasses Luna, you're making yourself look dumb.
Schaub meanwhile in only ten games threw for 2,479 yds, 15 Tds,6 ints and had a QB rating of 96.8. Schaubs career QB rating is 92.8. Peyton manning has a career qb rating of 94.9 to put that into perspective. Not bad for someone who's " nothing special." Matt hasselbecks career qb rating is 82.2.
You clearly are blinded by the love of your team.
No homer glasses
The difference is...
Matt Hasselbeck is a temporary to fix to our next franchise QB.
Mark Sanchez IS YOUR FRANCHISE QB
The comparable #s show why he's pathetic and Hasselbeck is not.
Hasselbeck would be lucky to start this season, Manning or no Manning.
And? Go look at Ben roethlisberger, drew brees, Eli mannings etc and a ton of other qbs stats from their third year in the NFL. Then compare them to mark Sanchez's third year. People like to make believe every qb has to be elite by their third year or they won't amount to anything. Those people are called idiots.
In Sanchez's first year he was beating carson palmer and phillip rivers on the road in the playoffs. In his second year in the NFL he was beating Tom Brady and Peyton manning on the road in the playoffs. Let's see if locker is anywhere close to those accomplishments. Sanchez has improved every single season he's been in the league, while each season his team has gotten worse around him. And he will continue to get better. Just because the jets had an off year doesn't mean much. They've yet to have a losing season under Sanchez.
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I think manning signs with the broncos.
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Sanchez is to the Jets what Kerry Collins was to the Titans in a 13-3 season or Brad Johnson to the super bowl winning Buccs/Trent Dilfer to the super bowl winning Ravens.
About Denver..
The Denver Post reports the Broncos left free agent Peyton Manning's Friday workout for the team with "diminished expectations" they will be able to sign him.
it appears the Broncos had high expectations of leaving Durham with Manning's name on a contract. Instead, they left empty handed with the knowledge Manning will throw for the Titans on Saturday. A team source insisted the Broncos are "still in it," however. "We don't know. We'll know more over the weekend." There's a chance Manning might actually meet his supposed Tuesday deadline to make a decision.
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The problem with the Niners is while on paper it looks like the best chance to win it all, and probably is, the downside is really high. He'll be walking into a new team he doesn't know, he might end up clashing with the coach and with Moss and it may end up a disaster but it'll be seen as the ultimate choke.
Yep, it looks like a good fit on paper and but at a closer look, their are recipes for disaster there. I can't see Manning excited about playing with Moss. And I'm not entirely sure him and Harbaugh would get along well.
Plus the 49ers have 15 mil in cap space. The Titans have 25 and the Broncos have 40.
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Titans sign 7 time pro bowl OL (first ballot Hof) Steve Hutchinson and are on the verge of signing Packers pro bowl C Scott Wells. This will make us a top 3 OL team in the league, easily. We have a superior RB and better WR/TE targets.
How the fuck is this even a discussion between Titans & Broncos?
Denver should be out of the race now, but San Fran still seems attractive. The division is weaker, the defense is stronger, and the coach has a blood-thirst. The best chance to win it all next year, counting all 32 teams, and the best chance to break the TD record again, because Harbaugh will fire up in the 4th quarter rather than ease up.
Both teams play the Pats next year, and the Niners don't play the Colts but play the Giants. The Titans don't play the Giants at all. And I'm still not sold of the Giants winning the division next year the way Philly ended. I'm sure scheduling will have say. He may want to shove it in the Colts face and not play his brother. Or not want to play Indy at all next year and deal with facing his brother instead, and again in the playoffs if need be.
I wonder what the NFL wants more; a Manning/Manning Superbowl, or a Manning/Brady Superbowl. And I wonder what Olivia would hate more the idea of Peyton beating Eli in the playoffs or the idea of Peyton beating Eli in the Superbowl. I think she won't mind so much about Eli beating Peyton at either.
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Sucks we missed out on Wells & Myers but the Titans allowed the 2nd lowest sacks last year and we've already upgraded the OL with the Hutch signing
I thought he ruled out the Cardinals because he didn't want to play in the NFC vs. Eli..
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Manning just worked out for the Titans in Knoxville, TN. So he's now visisted us in the state of TN twice, we're the only team he's done that (he met Arizona in Arizona once, Miami in Indianapolis once, Denver in Denver once & Duke once, SF at Duke once, Tennessee in Tennessee twice).
Gotta be a good sign he's met with the Titans twice, in Tennessee twice.
Plus this was at his former college (in Knoxville, TN)
@glennonsports: #Titans have watched Manning work out in Knoxville today.
#Titans GM Webster: "I thought he looked comfortable and we had a good visit. This is another important step in the process."
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The Nashville Tennessean reports free agent Peyton Manning worked out for the Titans in Knoxville, Tenn. on Saturday.
Knoxville, of course, is where Manning spent four years playing college ball for the University of Tennessee. It's been nearly impossible to ascertain who is actually in the lead for Manning's services, but the fact that he flew to Tennessee for the Titans after making the Broncos come to North Carolina can only be interpreted as a good thing for Tennessee. If Manning is feeling nostalgic, it could be curtains for Denver and San Francisco.
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The Nashville Tennessean reports free agent Peyton Manning worked out for the Titans in Knoxville, Tenn. on Saturday.
Knoxville, of course, is where Manning spent four years playing college ball for the University of Tennessee. It's been nearly impossible to ascertain who is actually in the lead for Manning's services, but the fact that he flew to Tennessee for the Titans after making the Broncos come to North Carolina can only be interpreted as a good thing for Tennessee. If Manning is feeling nostalgic, it could be curtains for Denver and San Francisco.
No offense but the distance between Duke and Knoxville, and Knoxville and Nashville isn't all that different. Thn again neither is the difference between Indianapolis and Nashville. All I'm saying it's like he went "all the way" to Tennessee, when it's the next state over.
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^ True, but still. He could have stayed at Duke where he's clearly more comfortable.
They worked out at a high school in Knoxville.
Everyone keeps saying how he's a "creature of habit." There's nothing regarding habit when u talk about a move from Ind to SF (time zone, lifestyle, community, division and conference etc).
I'd also find it odd for him to pick a team he hasn't even visited in state or at their facilities yet.
Wouldn't blame him if he picked the 49ers though.
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Zona is out. Management there is saying "Peyton Manning is no long an option for us".
It's either Denver or 49ers, in my opinion. I think he should sign with San Fran. We're talking threepeat, potential 57 game win streak there.
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Zona is out. Management there is saying "Peyton Manning is no long an option for us".
It's either Denver or 49ers, in my opinion. I think he should sign with San Fran. We're talking threepeat, potential 57 game win streak there.
That would be a good fit, but not good enough. See, the 49ers were a contender last year, and if he went there he wouldn't get the credit he deserves for winning it all. I want Peyton to go to team that he has to take over the top, a team that people wouldn't have given a chance before. That way, everyone will realize that Peyton really is the greatest, and people like Jaydc and Mosav will have to accept the fact that they were wrong about Peyton.
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It's either Denver or 49ers
haha you're jokes
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Shannon Sharpe is convinced it's the Titans
I'm hearing titans as well. #sadbroncofan. RT @Leemac931 @ShannonSharpe what makes you so confident about Peyton? Inside sources? Locally in Nashville we're hearing 1. TN, 2. SF
Yes I heard late last night Titans. RT @TheWasserman @ShannonSharpe @iNURSELISA so you think he's leaning TN?
I think we lost out to Titans. RT @schaffer76 @ShannonSharpe How's the Greatest TE of All Time today? If Den misses out on PM you think they may try for Flynn or A. Smith?
This source is normally right on. RT @TheWasserman @ShannonSharpe @iNURSELISA so you think den is out huh?
Manning not going to niners. RT @waltisthebest @ShannonSharpe y would 49ers let alex smith talk 2 another team do they know something about mannng
Unless he does a 180 RT @Broncos_Nation If @ShannonSharpe is saying Titans, it's the Titans... Favre is still out there tho! #gobroncos
Manning deal is easy at least 60mil 1st 2yrs 70 over 3. Watch how close to those #s they get. RT @DaAnsahOnSports @ShannonSharpe @waltisthebest Just a ploy to get the money up for both QBs. Lawyer/agent methods. Fox will give Manning all the control.
We all have sources. RT @brucehallsports @brucehallsports @ShannonSharpe @schaffer76 Shannon, what makes you think you lost out in Denver?
That's what happened. RT @DaAnsahOnSports @ShannonSharpe @schaffer76 damn the Titans stepped in? The guy who told me Denver was before Bud Adams stepped up. I knew no NFC.
He's more familiar with afc and his brother is in nfc. RT @Paul__Joseph @ShannonSharpe but moss is! Moss Manningham Crabtree Davis Gore.. Best d in football.. Mammoth Oline.. Peyton should easily be a 49er.
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It's either Denver or 49ers
haha you're jokes
Unless ESPN is lying to me. I mean, the Titans are an option. But Elway & him had a great workout & then San Fran has the most
Peyton has free choice of where he wants to go & he's coming off of major surgery. It would make sense to go to the place with the most support. 49ers offer the most, between the best defense, Frank Gore, Crabtree, Vernon & now Manningham.
I'm telling you, if he goes to the 49ers, I'd put an easy 200 bucks before Week 1 that they go undefeated. It wouldn't even be fair. Or he could go to the Titans & go 10-6, 11-5 at best.
It basically comes down to what Peyton wants to do. Win easy or stay close to home because he's getting old.
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Unless ESPN is lying to me. I mean, the Titans are an option. But Elway & him had a great workout & then San Fran has the most
Peyton has free choice of where he wants to go & he's coming off of major surgery. It would make sense to go to the place with the most support. 49ers offer the most, between the best defense, Frank Gore, Crabtree, Vernon & now Manningham.
I'm telling you, if he goes to the 49ers, I'd put an easy 200 bucks before Week 1 that they go undefeated. It wouldn't even be fair. Or he could go to the Titans & go 10-6, 11-5 at best.
It basically comes down to what Peyton wants to do. Win easy or stay close to home because he's getting old.
Of course they're an option. Rumors are Elway and Denver left that meeting with "diminished hopes" and actually brought a contract with them. Not sure if that's true or not. Keep in mind he met with the Titans the very next day and had a good workout as well (throwing the football). Of those 2 meetings, he made Denver come to Duke and he came to Tennessee the very next day.
I don't think he wants to play in the NFC. And he still hasn't visited San Fran in SF yet. I'd find it odd for him to sign with a team he hasn't visited in state yet, especially when he's made this such a lengthy "process" visiting teams at their headquarters. Of course he could meet in SF tomorrow for all I know, but until that happens, I find it hard to believe the 49ers are real players here.
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Well Alex Smith met with Miami today. So at this stage they need a starting quarterback lol.
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Smith will probably re-sign with SF and Miami is fucked lol
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Smith will probably re-sign with SF and Miami is fucked lol
I could see Harbaugh trading for Tebow just because his ego is so big he thinks he can stick it to Peyton by winning a ring with Tebow.
In all seriousness, if anyone can get Tebow NFL QB ready it's harbaugh, and if you think SFs run attack is dangerous now, imagine Tebow and Gore coming around the edge at the same time.
That would be the best Superbowl scenario next year, ratings wise. Niners vs Broncos with Tebow in San Fran.
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Anybody still taking Cam this year?
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I think Cam got shook this year. In the NFL, you can get away with something for one year, especially when defenses don't have an off season to get ready for you, but you can't go year to year without changing and improving your game. Even Michael Vick in his prime needed to change up his game. Right now Newton is struggling because he's playing exactly like last year. Next year, with the right coaching though, he should have a break out year. But this year, he didn't change and Peyton is doing his thing in Denver. Granted he's not the Peyton of old, but he's better than Newton is right now.
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Anybody still taking Cam this year?
Obviously it was because people didn't know if he was going to be healthy or not. Dude had three neck surgeries last year.
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i voted Manning 8)
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Granted he's not the Peyton of old, but he's better than Newton is right now.
He's also better than anyone else is right now with his 109 passer rating and his 82.5 QBR. He had a bad 5 minutes in ATL and a slow start against Houston an SD. Matt Ryan is the only other QB playing as well, and Eli along with Matt are the only other QBs in the MVP race with Peyton.