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Lifestyle => Sports & Entertainment => Topic started by: Don Jacob on February 19, 2007, 12:56:04 PM
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FOOTBALL-
DUBCC's FRANCHISE GOAT:
DUBCC's TEAM GOAT:
DUBCC's PRO COACHING GOAT:
DUBCC's QB GOAT: Joe Montana (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Montana)(http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/sf.gif)
DUBCC's RB GOAT: Barry Sanders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barry_Sanders)(http://www.dagrafixdesigns.com/Templates/Images/dc/LogoDetThumb.gif)
DUBCC's WR GOAT:Jerry Rice (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Rice)(http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/sf.gif)
BASKETBALL-
DUBCC's FRANCHISE GOAT:Los Angeles Lakers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Lakers)(http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nba/sml/trans/lal.gif)
DUBCC's TEAM GOAT:
DUBCC's PRO COACHING GOAT: Red Auerbach (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Auerbach)(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/uk/thumb/5/5f/Boston_Celtics_Logo.gif/35px-Boston_Celtics_Logo.gif)
DUBCC's PG GOAT: Magic Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_Johnson)(http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nba/sml/trans/lal.gif)
DUBCC's SG GOAT:Michael Jordan (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_jordan)(http://www.nbauniverse.com/images/logo_chicagobulls_b.gif)
DUBCC's SF GOAT: Elgin Baylor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elgin_Baylor)(http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nba/sml/trans/lal.gif)
DUBCC's PF GOAT: Karl Malone (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Malone)(http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nba/sml/trans/uth.gif)
DUBCC's C GOAT: Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kareem_Abdul_Jabbar)(http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nba/sml/trans/lal.gif)
FUTBOL/SOCCER-
DUBCC's CLUB GOAT:
DUBCC's Team GOAT:
DUBCC's Goal Keeper GOAT: Peter Schmeichel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Schmeichel)(http://chello.images.infostradasports.com/images/lib/basic/sport/football/club/logo/small/4080.gif)
DUBCC's Left Back GOAT: Paolo Maldini (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paolo_Maldini)(http://sportbuzz.images.infostradasports.com/images/lib/basic/sport/football/club/logo/small/4004.gif)
BASEBALL-
DUBCC's FRANCHISE GOAT:
DUBCC's TEAM GOAT:
DUBCC's Pitching GOAT: Walter Johnson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Johnson)(http://www.healypro.com/images/home/featured/senators.gif)
DUBCC'S Position Player GOAT: Babe Ruth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babe_Ruth)(http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/mlb/sml/trans/nyy.gif)
SPORTSCASTER-
DUBCC's All-time GOAT:
DUBCC's Basketball GOAT: Chick Hearn (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chick_Hearn)(http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nba/sml/trans/lal.gif)
DUBCC's Football GOAT:
DUBCC's Baseball GOAT:Vin Scully (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vin_Scully)(http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/mlb/sml/trans/lad.gif)
OTHERS-
DUBCC'S Swimming GOAT: Michael Phelps (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_phelps)(http://www.hockeywa.org.au/images/logo_ioc.gif)
with more to come in the future ;)
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aint joe montana the winner?
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the official last day to vote is tuesday, he can still lose, but more than likely it will be
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Jacob. you should do one for a RB. I bet that would be a close one with LT, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Emitt Smith etc.
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Jacob. you should do one for a RB. I bet that would be a close one with LT, Jim Brown, Barry Sanders, Emitt Smith etc.
walter payton
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oh there will definately be an all time greatest RB, i want to get basketball done right now though since football is completely done and basketball is now officially in full swing
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BASKETBALL-
DUBCC's PG GOAT: Magic Johnson
DUBCC's SG GOAT: Michael Jordan
DUBCC's SF GOAT: Larry Bird
Those 3 are too easy.
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BASKETBALL-
DUBCC's PG GOAT: Magic Johnson
DUBCC's SG GOAT: Michael Jordan
DUBCC's SF GOAT: Larry Bird
Those 3 are too easy.
Small forward can easily be Elgin Baylor or Jerry West.
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Mmmm.. ok. But PG & SG are sure.
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PG: Magic Johnson
SG: Michael Jordan
SF: Larry Bird
PF: Karl Malone
C: David Robinson
Based on the last 20 years. I'm not going to list the old players that I haven't ever watched.
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^^You think David Robinson was the greatest center ever.? LOL.
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joe is the first inductee
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^^You think David Robinson was the greatest center ever.? LOL.
thats wut i was thinking. in the last 20 years both Hakeem and Shaq are ahead of the Admiral
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I'm talking like the last 20 years. I'm not going to put down Wilt Chamberlain or anyone that played way back then when i haven't seen nothing but highlights of.
Now that I think of it Hakeem actually was better defensively.
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I'm talking like the last 20 years. I'm not going to put down Wilt Chamberlain or anyone that played way back then when i haven't seen nothing but highlights of.
Now that I think of it Hakeem actually was better defensively.
AND offensively...Hell, even Kareem was active in the last 20 years...
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Wilt has to be there, he averaged 50pg in a season, and 30pg for his career, no center has come close to that
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Wilt has to be there, he averaged 50pg in a season, and 30pg for his career, no center has come close to that
Kareem will give him a run for his money...
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DUBCC's PG GOAT: Magic
DUBCC's SG GOAT: MJ
DUBCC's SF GOAT: Bird
DUBCC's PF GOAT: Malone
DUBCC's C GOAT: Wilt
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You should do one for sports broacasters. That would be a good one.
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You should do one for sports broacasters. That would be a good one.
Broadcasters by sports, just so that the GOAT (Chick Hearn) doesn't get robbed like Jerry West did...
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You should do one for sports broacasters. That would be a good one.
Broadcasters by sports, just so that the GOAT (Chick Hearn) doesn't get robbed like Jerry West did...
I don't know bout Chick being the GOAT, to me it's very close between Chick and Vin.
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braodcaster =good idea it's in along with baseball and a few more spots for football
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You should do one for sports broacasters. That would be a good one.
Broadcasters by sports, just so that the GOAT (Chick Hearn) doesn't get robbed like Jerry West did...
I don't know bout Chick being the GOAT, to me it's very close between Chick and Vin.
2 u guys from LA not everyone else ;)
Lon Simmons old Niners announcer and SF Giants is the best
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You should do one for sports broacasters. That would be a good one.
Broadcasters by sports, just so that the GOAT (Chick Hearn) doesn't get robbed like Jerry West did...
I don't know bout Chick being the GOAT, to me it's very close between Chick and Vin.
2 u guys from LA not everyone else ;)
Lon Simmons old Niners announcer and SF Giants is the best
Even non Dodger or Laker fans would agree that either Chick or Vin could be the GOAT.
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Chick compared to Vin, okay... but Lon Simmons? LMAO.
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Chick compared to Vin, okay... but Lon Simmons? LMAO.
no northern california fans would Laugh there ass off. ;)
Lon Simmons for the Niners was fuckin classic. Of course LA Fans are gonna say Chick Hearn or Vin Scully..
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You should do one for sports broacasters. That would be a good one.
Broadcasters by sports, just so that the GOAT (Chick Hearn) doesn't get robbed like Jerry West did...
I don't know bout Chick being the GOAT, to me it's very close between Chick and Vin.
2 u guys from LA not everyone else ;)
Lon Simmons old Niners announcer and SF Giants is the best
Even non Dodger or Laker fans would agree that either Chick or Vin could be the GOAT.
i agree they COULD BE as well. But that doesnt mean they are..Broadcasters you cant just say whose the greatest..
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Dude, Chick Hearn and Vin Scully are considered in a whole nother league...Maybe that's the bias opinion of some Frisco fans, but in the broadcasting world, they're simply not considered on the same level...
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Dude, Chick Hearn and Vin Scully are considered in a whole nother league...Maybe that's the bias opinion of some Frisco fans, but in the broadcasting world, they're simply not considered on the same level...
Yeah man, I haven't heard any other broadcasters call games like Chick and Vin. That's real spit.
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Dude, Chick Hearn and Vin Scully are considered in a whole nother league...Maybe that's the bias opinion of some Frisco fans, but in the broadcasting world, they're simply not considered on the same level...
Yeah man, I haven't heard any other broadcasters call games like Chick and Vin. That's real spit.
exactly YOU havent. Lon Simmons to me is the greatest. I didnt grow up listenting to LA Radio so how can i say there the best? This isnt like MJ is the best basketball player and shit liek that, its an opnion. Just like Jon Miller is the other greatest to me
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Dude, Chick Hearn and Vin Scully are considered in a whole nother league...Maybe that's the bias opinion of some Frisco fans, but in the broadcasting world, they're simply not considered on the same level...
What about Jack Buck? Do you think a fan in the midwest is gonna say Scully is better then Buck was? If so youre crazy.
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Dude, Chick Hearn and Vin Scully are considered in a whole nother league...Maybe that's the bias opinion of some Frisco fans, but in the broadcasting world, they're simply not considered on the same level...
Yeah man, I haven't heard any other broadcasters call games like Chick and Vin. That's real spit.
exactly YOU havent. Lon Simmons to me is the greatest. I didnt grow up listenting to LA Radio so how can i say there the best? This isnt like MJ is the best basketball player and shit liek that, its an opnion. Just like Jon Miller is the other greatest to me
Dog I've heard other announcers, plenty of them. None of them called games like Chick or Vin. Read the whole post. "I haven't heard any other broadcasters CALL games like Chick and Vin"
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Dude, Chick Hearn and Vin Scully are considered in a whole nother league...Maybe that's the bias opinion of some Frisco fans, but in the broadcasting world, they're simply not considered on the same level...
Yeah man, I haven't heard any other broadcasters call games like Chick and Vin. That's real spit.
exactly YOU havent. Lon Simmons to me is the greatest. I didnt grow up listenting to LA Radio so how can i say there the best? This isnt like MJ is the best basketball player and shit liek that, its an opnion. Just like Jon Miller is the other greatest to me
Dog I've heard other announcers, plenty of them. None of them called games like Chick or Vin. Read the whole post. "I haven't heard any other broadcasters CALL games like Chick and Vin"
i respect that. But IMO id rather hear Jon Miller or Lon Simmons. We all have our opinions.
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^^It's not about who you'd rather hear, it's about who was greater...It's like saying Clyde Drexler was greater than Michael Jordan because you liked him better...It doesn't work that way.
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^^It's not about who you'd rather hear, it's about who was greater...It's like saying Clyde Drexler was greater than Michael Jordan because you liked him better...It doesn't work that way.
ITS ANNOUNCERS! its local, how can i say Chick is the best when i havent heard him? Announcers are local, its different to me.
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^^It's not about who you'd rather hear, it's about who was greater...It's like saying Clyde Drexler was greater than Michael Jordan because you liked him better...It doesn't work that way.
ITS ANNOUNCERS! its local, how can i say Chick is the best when i havent heard him? Announcers are local, its different to me.
You haven't heard Chick? I feel really bad for you, man...That's truly a shame. He wasn't just the voice of the Lakers, but the voice of basketball and even the voice of broadcasting for some time...
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^^It's not about who you'd rather hear, it's about who was greater...It's like saying Clyde Drexler was greater than Michael Jordan because you liked him better...It doesn't work that way.
ITS ANNOUNCERS! its local, how can i say Chick is the best when i havent heard him? Announcers are local, its different to me.
You haven't heard Chick? I feel really bad for you, man...That's truly a shame. He wasn't just the voice of the Lakers, but the voice of basketball and even the voice of broadcasting for some time...
of course i have, he was great. I was just saying most of the time he was local at least for our generation, and theres probably alot of people on this board even who aunt heard him thats all..just trying to have a legit discussuion.
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^^It's not about who you'd rather hear, it's about who was greater...It's like saying Clyde Drexler was greater than Michael Jordan because you liked him better...It doesn't work that way.
ITS ANNOUNCERS! its local, how can i say Chick is the best when i havent heard him? Announcers are local, its different to me.
You haven't heard Chick? I feel really bad for you, man...That's truly a shame. He wasn't just the voice of the Lakers, but the voice of basketball and even the voice of broadcasting for some time...
of course i have, he was great. I was just saying most of the time he was local at least for our generation, and theres probably alot of people on this board even who aunt heard him thats all..just trying to have a legit discussuion.
I doubt there are people who know sports and haven't heard Chick Hearn...
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^^It's not about who you'd rather hear, it's about who was greater...It's like saying Clyde Drexler was greater than Michael Jordan because you liked him better...It doesn't work that way.
ITS ANNOUNCERS! its local, how can i say Chick is the best when i havent heard him? Announcers are local, its different to me.
You haven't heard Chick? I feel really bad for you, man...That's truly a shame. He wasn't just the voice of the Lakers, but the voice of basketball and even the voice of broadcasting for some time...
of course i have, he was great. I was just saying most of the time he was local at least for our generation, and theres probably alot of people on this board even who aunt heard him thats all..just trying to have a legit discussuion.
I doubt there are people who know sports and haven't heard Chick Hearn...
Im just saying nowadays like a 15 yr old kid, he could def know sports well. But say he lives in New York he might never get the chance to hear Chick , because theres no way he can get laker broadcasts out in New York, you understand what im saying?
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^^Chick wasn't only heard on Laker broadcasts. He has one of the most recognizable voices in sports history...
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^^Chick wasn't only heard on Laker broadcasts. He has one of the most recognizable voices in sports history...
im saying for the youngstas. When does Chick do national broadcasts?
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^^Chick wasn't only heard on Laker broadcasts. He has one of the most recognizable voices in sports history...
im saying for the youngstas. When does Chick do national broadcasts?
Chick is dead, homie...
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^^Chick wasn't only heard on Laker broadcasts. He has one of the most recognizable voices in sports history...
im saying for the youngstas. When does Chick do national broadcasts?
Chick is dead, homie...
exactly...
There are plenty of people that probably never got to hear him. Im not sure tho, did he do national broadcasts at all in the last ten years?
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^^Chick wasn't only heard on Laker broadcasts. He has one of the most recognizable voices in sports history...
im saying for the youngstas. When does Chick do national broadcasts?
Chick is dead, homie...
exactly...
There are plenty of people that probably never got to hear him. Im not sure tho, did he do national broadcasts at all in the last ten years?
Yes...He did national broadcasts and was the primary voice of sports broadcasting in Hollywood flicks...I can't imagine anyone not hearing at least a few of Chick's legendary lines...
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^^Chick wasn't only heard on Laker broadcasts. He has one of the most recognizable voices in sports history...
im saying for the youngstas. When does Chick do national broadcasts?
Chick is dead, homie...
exactly...
There are plenty of people that probably never got to hear him. Im not sure tho, did he do national broadcasts at all in the last ten years?
Yes...He did national broadcasts and was the primary voice of sports broadcasting in Hollywood flicks...I can't imagine anyone not hearing at least a few of Chick's legendary lines...
real spit. Im sure there is tho. But He was great either way you slice it.
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Chick is the greatest announcer ever ya dig
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little clips of Chick calling games, a non Lakers games as well for those who don't believe he was national
http://www.youtube.com/v/zXD6WWSpv30
LMAO@1st and 10 on the 15, there's a flag on the play
http://www.youtube.com/v/tWx4y9v7urM
http://www.youtube.com/v/rpUjwFu61_E
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kareem is goat now
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the mailman is in
http://www.youtube.com/v/SXv8rMIFrxg
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another laker in the hall of fame....elgin baylor
that makes
c-former buck and LAKER
pf-former jazz and LAKER
sf- LAKER
pg- LAKER
bball anouncer- LAKER
do jerry west/kobe have enough support to battle off jordan for the sg role?
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How can anyone say Boston has the better franchise? ::)
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How can anyone say Boston has the better franchise? ::)
who? never knew that city had an NBA team
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How can anyone say Boston has the better franchise? ::)
maybe coz boston has won more championships.
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^^Okay? And most of them were in the span of a decade, when they were a dominant force behind Rusell, and the NBA was a completely different game back then. Lakers still have had the better/bigger dynasties overall as of today. Consider how many times Lakers made the finals as opposed to the Celtics...And consider how many times Boston missed the playoffs as opposed to the Lakers.
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i was just answering the question, thats how some people could say they are a better franchise. im a celtics fan myself, i consider winning 11 champ'ships in 13 years damn impressive regardless of how different the game was back then. u can only excel in the environment given to you in which to perform...if that makes any sense.
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i was just answering the question, thats how some people could say they are a better franchise. im a celtics fan myself, i consider winning 11 champ'ships in 13 years damn impressive regardless of how different the game was back then. u can only excel in the environment given to you in which to perform...if that makes any sense.
Yea...Well, they own the title of best decade in basketball, but best overall franchise easily goes to the Lakers...PeACe
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It's about time to get into the other ones...
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i've been meaning to dig up the baseball one, but i havn't had time. i will though. just been busy.
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wheres curtins martin bitches
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lol ^
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How can anyone say Boston has the better franchise? ::)
i don't know.
The BOSTON CELTICS (going into 2007):
16 NBA Championships
10 NBA MVP winners (Bill Russell 5, Larry Bird 3, Bob Cousy 1, Dave Cowens 1)
3 Sixth-Man of the Year winners (Kevin McHale 2, Bill Walton 1)
31 Hall-of-Famers (not counting Pierce and Garnett ofcourse)
122 All-Star Game Selections
74 All-NBA selections
33 All-Defensive Team selections (BTW, the league started naming defensive teams only in Russell's final season - of course, he was on the first team)
16 All-Rookie Team selections
23 Retired numbers
33 Major Award winners
and they had best coach not named Stan Van Gundy on the planet, Big Red.
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7RUdqdvro_E about 35 seconds into it this shit gets AWESOME
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How can anyone say Boston has the better franchise? ::)
i don't know.
The BOSTON CELTICS (going into 2007):
16 NBA Championships
10 NBA MVP winners (Bill Russell 5, Larry Bird 3, Bob Cousy 1, Dave Cowens 1)
3 Sixth-Man of the Year winners (Kevin McHale 2, Bill Walton 1)
31 Hall-of-Famers (not counting Pierce and Garnett ofcourse)
122 All-Star Game Selections
74 All-NBA selections
33 All-Defensive Team selections (BTW, the league started naming defensive teams only in Russell's final season - of course, he was on the first team)
16 All-Rookie Team selections
23 Retired numbers
33 Major Award winners
and they had best coach not named Stan Van Gundy on the planet, Big Red.
Okay? And who had more dynasties? Who kept the winning tradition on a more consistant basis? Who had more trips to the finals? Celtics were great, but the Laker franchise is killin it...PeACe
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http://www.youtube.com/v/EikTSa-QIbY
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all that needs to be said is that the Celtics had a dynasty that lasted a damn decade
lets see LA ever do that lol
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So you got most of your rings in the span of a decade...I still fail to see how that makes you better than a franchise that's been consistantly on top.
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So winning 8 rings in a row isn't an amazing feat? In a 13 year span, they won 11 rings. No team can say that. And no team ever will. Not even the Showtime Lakers. Speaking of which, take away the 5 titles the Lakers won in the 80s and they're down to only 9 rings (That's including the Shaq/Kobe three peat). Take away the 60s from the Celtics and they still have 7 rings and that's without winning any ring after 86.
In more or less 59 years, the Lakers have won 14 rings, the Celtics have won 16. It took the Lakers about 52 years to compile that many. The Celtics racked those up in give or take 37 years. Even with 22 years of the Celtics not winning titles (the Lakers have won 5 since the last time the Celtics won one), the Lakers still haven't surpassed the Celtics. Keep in mind, the Lakers won 5 rings before the Celtics even had 1. So from 1957 to 1986 (The time in which the Celtics won all of their rings), the Lakers only won 4 rings. 16 to 4. So in those 29 years, the Cetics were the most dominant team out. The Lakers were not.
The way the Celtics are playing now, they'll probably rack up another ring and put that stat up to 17 rings. The fact that they won most of their rings in a span of a decade proves their dominance. And the simple fact that they haven't won a ring in over 20 years and nobody has beaten their amount of rings, again, proves their dominance. Lakers are a great dynasty. They've had some great teams. But none can say they're as great as 1957-1969 Celtics.
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So winning 8 rings in a row isn't an amazing feat? In a 13 year span, they won 11 rings. No team can say that. And no team ever will. Not even the Showtime Lakers. Speaking of which, take away the 5 titles the Lakers won in the 80s and they're down to only 9 rings (That's including the Shaq/Kobe three peat). Take away the 60s from the Celtics and they still have 7 rings and that's without winning any ring after 86.
In more or less 59 years, the Lakers have won 14 rings, the Celtics have won 16. It took the Lakers about 52 years to compile that many. The Celtics racked those up in give or take 37 years. Even with 22 years of the Celtics not winning titles (the Lakers have won 5 since the last time the Celtics won one), the Lakers still haven't surpassed the Celtics. Keep in mind, the Lakers won 5 rings before the Celtics even had 1. So from 1957 to 1986 (The time in which the Celtics won all of their rings), the Lakers only won 4 rings. 16 to 4. So in those 29 years, the Cetics were the most dominant team out. The Lakers were not.
The way the Celtics are playing now, they'll probably rack up another ring and put that stat up to 17 rings. The fact that they won most of their rings in a span of a decade proves their dominance. And the simple fact that they haven't won a ring in over 20 years and nobody has beaten their amount of rings, again, proves their dominance. Lakers are a great dynasty. They've had some great teams. But none can say they're as great as 1957-1969 Celtics.
Again...the Celtics won most of their rings in one era. Lakers have been the more historic and celebrated franchise overall. Nothing you say can change this. You're purely arguing that cuz you're a Laker hater. Even if I wasn't a Laker fan, I'd be able to realize that the Lakers have a much more storied franchise than the fucking Celtics...LOL.
Showtime Lakers>>>>>1957-1969 Celtics. :-*
PS...Lakers have 15 rings.
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So 5 rings > 11 Rings ? I think the correct term here would be Celtic Hater.
I don't hate the Lakers. I used to love the Showtime Lakers. But I was never a fan. I probably will never be.
By the way, the Lakers only have 14 rings in the NBA :-*
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So winning 8 rings in a row isn't an amazing feat? In a 13 year span, they won 11 rings. No team can say that. And no team ever will. Not even the Showtime Lakers. Speaking of which, take away the 5 titles the Lakers won in the 80s and they're down to only 9 rings (That's including the Shaq/Kobe three peat). Take away the 60s from the Celtics and they still have 7 rings and that's without winning any ring after 86.
In more or less 59 years, the Lakers have won 14 rings, the Celtics have won 16. It took the Lakers about 52 years to compile that many. The Celtics racked those up in give or take 37 years. Even with 22 years of the Celtics not winning titles (the Lakers have won 5 since the last time the Celtics won one), the Lakers still haven't surpassed the Celtics. Keep in mind, the Lakers won 5 rings before the Celtics even had 1. So from 1957 to 1986 (The time in which the Celtics won all of their rings), the Lakers only won 4 rings. 16 to 4. So in those 29 years, the Cetics were the most dominant team out. The Lakers were not.
The way the Celtics are playing now, they'll probably rack up another ring and put that stat up to 17 rings. The fact that they won most of their rings in a span of a decade proves their dominance. And the simple fact that they haven't won a ring in over 20 years and nobody has beaten their amount of rings, again, proves their dominance. Lakers are a great dynasty. They've had some great teams. But none can say they're as great as 1957-1969 Celtics.
Again...the Celtics won most of their rings in one era. Lakers have been the more historic and celebrated franchise overall. Nothing you say can change this. You're purely arguing that cuz you're a Laker hater. Even if I wasn't a Laker fan, I'd be able to realize that the Lakers have a much more storied franchise than the fucking Celtics...LOL.
Showtime Lakers>>>>>1957-1969 Celtics. :-*
PS...Lakers have 15 rings.
showtime lakers didnt win as many as the 57-69 Celtics, so you can't say their better
Bill Russel made Wilt Chamberlain his personal bitch. He'd do the same to Kareem.
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^It's a lose lose with Celtic Haters. They win 11 rings in 13 years, Celtic Haters say "Oh well that's all just one era." Showtime Lakers win 5 wins in 80s and they're the greatest team ever... Celtic Haters...
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So winning 8 rings in a row isn't an amazing feat? In a 13 year span, they won 11 rings. No team can say that. And no team ever will. Not even the Showtime Lakers. Speaking of which, take away the 5 titles the Lakers won in the 80s and they're down to only 9 rings (That's including the Shaq/Kobe three peat). Take away the 60s from the Celtics and they still have 7 rings and that's without winning any ring after 86.
In more or less 59 years, the Lakers have won 14 rings, the Celtics have won 16. It took the Lakers about 52 years to compile that many. The Celtics racked those up in give or take 37 years. Even with 22 years of the Celtics not winning titles (the Lakers have won 5 since the last time the Celtics won one), the Lakers still haven't surpassed the Celtics. Keep in mind, the Lakers won 5 rings before the Celtics even had 1. So from 1957 to 1986 (The time in which the Celtics won all of their rings), the Lakers only won 4 rings. 16 to 4. So in those 29 years, the Cetics were the most dominant team out. The Lakers were not.
The way the Celtics are playing now, they'll probably rack up another ring and put that stat up to 17 rings. The fact that they won most of their rings in a span of a decade proves their dominance. And the simple fact that they haven't won a ring in over 20 years and nobody has beaten their amount of rings, again, proves their dominance. Lakers are a great dynasty. They've had some great teams. But none can say they're as great as 1957-1969 Celtics.
Again...the Celtics won most of their rings in one era. Lakers have been the more historic and celebrated franchise overall. Nothing you say can change this. You're purely arguing that cuz you're a Laker hater. Even if I wasn't a Laker fan, I'd be able to realize that the Lakers have a much more storied franchise than the fucking Celtics...LOL.
Showtime Lakers>>>>>1957-1969 Celtics. :-*
PS...Lakers have 15 rings.
showtime lakers didnt win as many as the 57-69 Celtics, so you can't say their better
Bill Russel made Wilt Chamberlain his personal bitch. He'd do the same to Kareem.
LOL! Wilt was a better center than Russell, the Celtics were streaking madly. Obviously, Russell had a much stronger supporting cast in Boston than Wilt did in Phili...and some of those Laker teams that lost to the Celtics in the finals were even said to be better.
P.S...Russell would have to be a power forward in the 80s...hahaha. Kareem=GOAT center.
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^It's a lose lose with Celtic Haters. They win 11 rings in 13 years, Celtic Haters say "Oh well that's all just one era." Showtime Lakers win 5 wins in 80s and they're the greatest team ever... Celtic Haters...
LOL...the era that the Celtics played in for their 11 rings was NOWHERE NEAR the era that the Showtime Lakers played in... which is another reason those 11 rings in 13 seasons put them FAR BEHIND what the Lakers have done throughout the years. Once again, THROUGHOUT THE YEARS.
I'd understand if you were a Celtic fan, as Hack Wilson is...but you're just a Laker hater. :grumpy:
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Celtic Haters... Just can't get over the fact that the Lakers never had a squad that could win 11 rings in 13 years.
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yea...i still have nightmares about it. ::)
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P.S...Russell would have to be a power forward in the 80s...hahaha. Kareem= GOAT center.
Truest shit in this Thread..
Kareem Would be the best in any era, even today dude would be unstoppable in the paint.
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P.S...Russell would have to be a power forward in the 80s...hahaha. Kareem= GOAT center.
Truest shit in this Thread..
Kareem Would be the best in any era, even today dude would be unstoppable in the paint.
guys like Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing and Robinson would've schooled him. well maybe not David but the other 3 ;) guys these days are just larger and better and still the same height as him.
Kareem would look like Yao Ming compared to them lol
Hakeem blocked one of his hook shots according to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_shot
i wonder if Youtube has Magic doing the junior hook shot thatd be a good watch
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P.S...Russell would have to be a power forward in the 80s...hahaha. Kareem= GOAT center.
Truest shit in this Thread..
Kareem Would be the best in any era, even today dude would be unstoppable in the paint.
guys like Shaq, Hakeem, Ewing and Robinson would've schooled him. well maybe not David but the other 3 ;) guys these days are just larger and better and still the same height as him.
Kareem would look like Yao Ming compared to them lol
Hakeem blocked one of his hook shots according to wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hook_shot
i wonder if Youtube has Magic doing the junior hook shot thatd be a good watch
LMFAO@Ewing schooling Kareem. Kareem used to shit on Ewing and Hakeem as an old man. Basketball was TOGHER in the 80s. Shame on you for making outrageous claims. Learn your basketball history before you say weird ass shit and make yourself look like a fool. :grumpy:
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i wonder if Youtube has Magic doing the junior hook shot thatd be a good watch
http://youtube.com/v/eYjsFUUnvw8
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i wonder if Youtube has Magic doing the junior hook shot thatd be a good watch
http://youtube.com/v/eYjsFUUnvw8
+1
but i stand by my Hakeem = best center of all time not named Bill or Wilt comments :D 8)
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^that's ridiculous.
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^that's ridiculous.
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The following excerpt is from Elliott Kalb's first book, "Who’s Better, Who’s Best in Basketball?" Kalb, 42, one of network television’s leading information men for the last two decades, has closely followed the NBA for nearly 35 years. Upon graduating from the University of Massachusetts, Kalb was one of the first employees of NBA Entertainment (then NBA Films) where he logged nearly every game of the 1983-84 season, and produced features that aired on national broadcasts. Kalb became NBC Sports’ Senior Statistician and Director of Information on its NBA coverage beginning in 1990. When the NBA moved to ABC, Kalb moved with it, extending his streak of working every NBA Finals game for 13 years.
Olajuwon
MVP: 1
MVP Voting: 6 years in the Top 5: 4th in 1986, 2nd in 1993, 1st in 1994, 4th in 1996
NBA Titles: 2
All-NBA First Team: 6
All-NBA Second Team: 3
Hakeem Olajuwon grew up in Nigeria and didn’t even pick up a basketball until he was nearly 17. It’s an incredible story that just a few years later, he was playing for the national championship at the University of Houston. No center in history has played more games for a franchise than Hakeem Olajuwon did for the Houston Rockets between 1985-2001. Only four players -- John Stockton and Karl Malone of the Jazz, John Havlicek of the Celtics, and Reggie Miller of the Pacers -- ever played more games for one team.
Most games played at center for a franchise
Games Player Team
1,177 Hakeem Olajuwon Houston
1,106 Robert Parish Boston
1,093 Kareem Abdul-Jabbar Los Angeles
1,039 Patrick Ewing New York
He grew to love the city of Houston, and the city of Houston loved him back.
He was the first player picked in the 1984 NBA Draft. It’s a testament to Olajuwon that no one ever criticized the selection, despite the Rockets bypassing Michael Jordan.
Now, Olajuwon wasn’t at the top of his game for each of those 1,177 contests. But he was at the top for a very long period of time. He was voted All-NBA Second Team back in 1986. He was voted All-NBA Third Team in 1999. He was one of the two or three best centers in the game 13 years apart.
The Rockets have really had a history of great centers. Following the 2003 regular season, the NBA’s top seven scorers included three men who played at center for the Rockets (Moses Malone, Elvin Hayes and Hakeem). The 2003 season brought another All-Star center to Houston—Yao Ming.
Olajuwon had so many skills. On March 29, 1990, he had a quadruple-double against the Milwaukee Bucks. In that game, he had 18 points, 16 rebounds, 10 assists, and 11 blocked shots.
Most Points Per Game, NBA Finals (min. 10 games)
Player Games PPG
Rick Barry 10 36.3
Shaquille O’Neal 19 34.2
Michael Jordan 35 33.6
Jerry West 55 30.5
Bob Pettit 25 28.4
Hakeem Olajuwon 17 27.5
He is so highly thought of, in large part because of his postseason play.
Olajuwon blocked 54 shots in those 17 Finals games, more than three per game. Since they started keeping blocks in 1974, only one player (Kareem Abdul-Jabbar) has more blocks in the Finals. And, of course, Abdul Jabbar has played many more games.
Olajuwon was unstoppable in the 1986 Finals, averaging more than 25 points, 12 rebounds, and three blocked shots against the greatest frontcourt in history. The 1986 Celtics were 40-1 at home and 10-0 in the postseason at home. Olajuwon’s eight blocks in the fifth game cut the Celtics lead to 3-2.
Olajuwon is one of the greatest big game players in history. Most of the other legendary players who were known as Clutch or Big Game performers (Jerry West, Reggie Miller, Michael Jordan) were perimeter players who handled the ball and were always able to get their shot off. Olajuwon was the finest big game center that ever played.
Olajuwon:
Regular season: 21.8 points per game
First 3 rounds playoffs: 25.6 points per game
17 Finals games: 27.5 points per game
Now, compare that to his two closest contemporaries.
David Robinson:
Regular season: 21.9 points per game
100 playoff games: 20.4 points per game
Patrick Ewing:
Regular season: 20.9 points per game
139 playoff games: 20.2 points per game
In mano-a-man playoff action, Olajuwon clearly outplayed both Robinson and Ewing. In the 1995 Finals, he clearly outplayed O’Neal—although it was a little unfair, with Hakeem being in the prime of his career and Shaq being only at the very beginning of his.
Hakeem vs Robinson: 1995 Western Conference Finals
First, let’s set up the participants. David Robinson was the MVP in 1995, the league’s best player. The Spurs had the better team, and the home court advantage in the series.
Do you remember what happened?
The Rockets took the first two games in San Antonio. The Spurs came back and won the next two games in Houston. The Rockets won the next two games to take the series 4-2.
David Robinson in series: 23.8 points 11.3 rebounds 2.7 assists 1.5 steals
Hakeem Olajuwon in series: 35.3 points 12.5 rebounds 5.0 assists 4.1 blocks 1.3 steals
Game 1: Olajuwon: 27 pts - Robinson 21 pts
Game 2: Olajuwon: 41 pts - Robinson 32 pts
Game 3: Olajuwon: 43 pts - Robinson 29 pts
Game 4: Olajuwon: 20 pts - Robinson 20 pts
Game 5: Olajuwon: 42 pts - Robinson 22 pts
Game 6: Olajuwon: 39 pts - Robinson 19 pts
I can’t find a more dominating performance against a league MVP on a superior team in the postseason. In the last two games, Hakeem outscored Robinson 81-41.
Sean Elliott: “It was the most dominating performance by a player that I was ever witness to. But I blame our (San Antonio’s) marketing department. Hakeem had won the MVP award the previous year, and felt he deserved it in 1995. David won it, and it was announced right before our (Western Conference Finals) series started. The first game was in San Antonio, and they put together a tape with a collage of great Robinson plays. I found out later that the tape (and the naming of Robinson as MVP) spurred Olajuwon to new heights. Olajuwon was just unstoppable. But it wasn’t just David’s fault. Dennis (Rodman) was intent on getting every rebound, but he wouldn’t come out and guard anyone. That’s why Robert Horry killed us in that series. Dennis wouldn’t guard him! That doesn’t take anything away from Hakeem in the series. He was just awesome.”
Hakeem vs Ewing: 1994 NBA Finals
Game 1: Olajuwon 28 pts - Ewing 23 pts
Game 2: Olajuwon 25 pts - Ewing 16 pts
Game 3: Olajuwon 21 pts - Ewing 18 pts
Game 4: Olajuwon 32 pts - Ewing 15 pts
Game 5: Olajuwon 27 pts - Ewing 25 pts
Game 6: Olajuwon 30 pts - Ewing 19 pts
Game 7: Olajuwon 25 pts - Ewing 17 pts
Patrick Ewing in series: 18.9 points .363 FG%
Hakeem Olajuwon in series: 26.9 points .500 FG%
Olajuwon outscored Ewing in all seven games. In the two regular season games played between Olajuwon and Ewing in 1994, Olajuwon averaged 33 points and 16.5 rebounds to Ewing’s 12.0 and 9.5.
Hakeem vs Shaquille O’Neal: 1995 NBA Finals
Game 1: Olajuwon: 31 pts - O’Neal 26 pts
Game 2: Olajuwon: 34 pts - O’Neal 33 pts
Game 3: Olajuwon: 31 pts - O’Neal 28 pts
Game 4: Olajuwon: 35 pts - O’Neal 25 pts
By the end of those 1995 Finals, Olajuwon was clearly ahead of Robinson and Ewing.
Shaquille O’Neal, in a 1995 interview, called Olajuwon the best center in the game. “He’s got great moves, a great attitude. He’s a class act. I have no problem with Hakeem being called the best player in the game.” Of course, at the time, Olajuwon and O’Neal were represented by the same agent and agency. But O’Neal was giving respect to the right player.
Moses Malone (NBA totals only): 1,329 games 45,071 minutes 27,409 pts 20.6 ppg
Hakeem Olajuwon: 1,238 games 44,222 minutes 26,946 pts 21.8 ppg
But Moses and Hakeem scored their 27,000 points very differently. Moses Malone did all his work under the basket, or on the free throw line.
Moses Malone: 11,090 free throw attempts (8.3 FT attempts per game)
Hakeem Olajuwon: 7,621 free throw attempts (6.1 FT attempts per game)
Olajuwon used the shake and bake moves, ran the court better than most big men, and was able to time his jumps to block shots. He took a lot of outside shots, and perhaps that added to his longevity.
Who’s Better, Who’s Best…Hakeem Olajuwon or Amare Stoudemire
One of Hakeem’s former teammates, Eddie Johnson, was a radio analyist for the 2003 Phoenix Suns, and observed the raw rookie Stoudemire. Johnson told me that Amare mirrors Hakeem in so many ways. Hakeem had those cat-quick moves in the post. And so did Amare. Hakeem had the spin moves and loved to harass guards and was able to get a lot of steals. Johnson saw all of those traits in Stoudemire. Amare has a long way to go, but to remind former people of Hakeem Olajuwon at such a young age speaks volumes about the rising Sun.
Other ways to measure Olajuwon’s greatness:
I remember when Doug Collins would tell me how great Michael Jordan played for him in 1987 and 1988. He loved the fact that Jordan had at least 100 steals and 100 blocks in the season (Jordan had 125 and 131 blocks those two seasons, the only two in which he went over 100 blocks).
Since they began keeping blocks and steals (1974), the feat of getting at least 100 of each has only been done about 110 times in almost 30 years. Obviously, it favors a big man, because guards just don’t average over a block per game. Moses Malone never did it. Kevin McHale never did it. Shaquille O’Neal never did it. Patrick Ewing did it twice. David Robinson did it seven times. Hakeem Olajuwon did it 12 times.
He would have done it 13 times, but in his rookie season, he had just 99 steals. He would have done it in 1999, but they only played 50 games that season. O’Neal had 82 steals in those 50 games.
Olajuwon - in 1989 - did something no one ever did (of course, we don’t know how many blocks and steals Wilt and his peers would have been credited). He had 213 steals and 282 blocks that season and 13 seasons straight of at least 100 steals and 200 blocks.
Most Career Blocks
Player Blocks
Hakeem Olajuwon 3,830
Kareem Abdul-Jabbar 3,189
Mark Eaton 3,064
Olajuwon has the NBA record (again, since they began crediting blocks in 1974) for most blocks.
Now, a few drawbacks to Olajuwon’s career record for blocks.
1) It is almost certain that Chamberlain and Russell would have had more blocks.
2) Abdul-Jabbar had 3,189 - and played his first four years without the stat being kept. In his 1974 season (Kareem’s fifth in the league) he blocked 283 shots in 81 games. If we simply apply his per game average to his first four seasons, we would have to credit him with another 1,122 blocks. That would bring him up to around 4,310. I’d feel a whole lot better calling Hakeem the all-time blocks leader (at least post Wilt/Russell) if his career total was up around 4,300. You can go to the bank on this one, folks. Abdul-Jabbar had more than 700 blocks in his first 321 games. In the first two years that they kept blocks, Abdul-Jabbar averaged 3.5 per game.
3) Dikembe Mutombo has averaged 3.38 blocks per game in his career, and may approach Hakeem's block total in the next few seasons.
Olajuwon’s 1995 Rockets eliminated four teams that won 50+ games. They eliminated the San Antonio Spurs (62-20), the Utah Jazz (60-22), the Phoenix Suns (59-23), and the Orlando Magic (57-25).
The 1995 Rockets were one of only three teams to defeat a pair of 60-win teams. The 1973 Knicks defeated the 68-win Celtics and 60-win Lakers. The 1993 Bulls defeated the 60-22 Knicks and the 62-win Suns.
On March 9, 1991, Olajuwon added an H to his first name for religious reasons. He also added a C for controversy to his newspaper clips; the first hint of controversy in his career to that point. Olajuwon never had anywhere near the biggest salary in the league, and the Rockets offered a contract extension that didn’t suit Hakeem. What happened next is a matter of which party to believe. Olajuwon claims he was injured. The Rockets claimed otherwise. Olajuwon demanded a trade. The Rockets suspended Olajuwon. Eventually, the Rockets not only resigned Olajuwon to a contract that was fair to both sides; they hired Rudy Tomjanovich as head coach. Olajuwon responded with his career-best seasons, despite being over 30.
You had to drive a stake through this vampire to kill him. Olajuwon just wouldn’t go down easily. Once Rudy Tomjanovich came aboard as head coach in 1992, Olajuwon resolved his differences and began a period as the best center in the game. And get this: beginning in 1992, Olajuwon’s teams were 14-6 when facing elimination.
For a comparison, Shaquille O’Neal’s teams are 5-6 when facing elimination, and 1-6 prior to the Lakers’ three-peat.
This material has been excerpted from "Who's Better, Who's Best in Basketball?" by Elliott Kalb. All rights reserved.
http://www.nba.com/rockets/history/Hakeem_Olajuwon_The_NBAs_Bes-91094-34.html
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^^Thanks for the bio, though I'm pretty sure I watched Hakeem play growing up, so i didn't really need all that. Either way, Kareem>>>Wilt>>>Russell>>>Hakeem.
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^^Thanks for the bio, though I'm pretty sure I watched Hakeem play growing up, so i didn't really need all that. Either way, Kareem>>>Wilt>>>Russell>>>Hakeem.
Russel > Wilt > Hakeem > Shaq > Kareem.
and Wilt will always be tagged with an asterisk for always being beat by Russel
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^^Thanks for the bio, though I'm pretty sure I watched Hakeem play growing up, so i didn't really need all that. Either way, Kareem>>>Wilt>>>Russell>>>Hakeem.
Russel > Wilt > Hakeem > Shaq > Kareem.
and Wilt will always be tagged with an asterisk for always being beat by Russel
Russell had the better cast. Wilt was the better individual talent...Don't forget, Kareem was unstoppable in his prime. And that was when the NBA competition was at its peak. Kareem already schooled Hakeem in the 80s. And Hakeem schooled Shaq in the 90s...Kareem would be shooting sky-hooks in Shaq's face all day.
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A quick Question Just for Shit's & Giggles..
Olajuwon or Duncan (Forget The Foward/Center issue)
They Both the same built, Same size (For The Most Part) And Play a similar game.
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Hakeem
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^^Thanks for the bio, though I'm pretty sure I watched Hakeem play growing up, so i didn't really need all that. Either way, Kareem>>>Wilt>>>Russell>>>Hakeem.
Russel > Wilt > Hakeem > Shaq > Kareem.
and Wilt will always be tagged with an asterisk for always being beat by Russel
Russell had the better cast. Wilt was the better individual talent...Don't forget, Kareem was unstoppable in his prime. And that was when the NBA competition was at its peak. Kareem already schooled Hakeem in the 80s. And Hakeem schooled Shaq in the 90s...Kareem would be shooting sky-hooks in Shaq's face all day.
and Shaq would overpower Kareem because he wieghs so much more
and Russell beat will like 6 playoff series in a row at one point thats just pathetic if your Wilt
*edit btw Hakeem is one of a few list of players who was able to block the hook shot.
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^^Thanks for the bio, though I'm pretty sure I watched Hakeem play growing up, so i didn't really need all that. Either way, Kareem>>>Wilt>>>Russell>>>Hakeem.
Russel > Wilt > Hakeem > Shaq > Kareem.
and Wilt will always be tagged with an asterisk for always being beat by Russel
Russell had the better cast. Wilt was the better individual talent...Don't forget, Kareem was unstoppable in his prime. And that was when the NBA competition was at its peak. Kareem already schooled Hakeem in the 80s. And Hakeem schooled Shaq in the 90s...Kareem would be shooting sky-hooks in Shaq's face all day.
and Shaq would overpower Kareem because he wieghs so much more
and Russel beat will like 6 playoff series in a row at one point thats just pathetic if your wilt
It's not pathetic, cuz Bill Russell had Bob Cousy, Tom Heinson, Bill Sharman, Frank Ramsey, Sam Jones, Bailey Howell, KC Jones, John Havlicek, etc. (all hall of fame players)....And Wilt...well....didn't. Like I said, Russell woulda been a power forward in Kareem's era. As for Shaq vs. Kareem, that's really not arguable. Kareem was way more skilled in every way, while Shaq was a power player. Skill will always outdo power. Just like when the less powerful Hakeem schooled Shaq, Kareem woulda' done the same, but to a higher extent...PeACe
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^^Thanks for the bio, though I'm pretty sure I watched Hakeem play growing up, so i didn't really need all that. Either way, Kareem>>>Wilt>>>Russell>>>Hakeem.
Russel > Wilt > Hakeem > Shaq > Kareem.
and Wilt will always be tagged with an asterisk for always being beat by Russel
Russell had the better cast. Wilt was the better individual talent...Don't forget, Kareem was unstoppable in his prime. And that was when the NBA competition was at its peak. Kareem already schooled Hakeem in the 80s. And Hakeem schooled Shaq in the 90s...Kareem would be shooting sky-hooks in Shaq's face all day.
and Shaq would overpower Kareem because he wieghs so much more
and Russel beat will like 6 playoff series in a row at one point thats just pathetic if your wilt
It's not pathetic, cuz Bill Russell had Bob Cousy, Tom Heinson, Bill Sharman, Frank Ramsey, Sam Jones, Bailey Howell, KC Jones, John Havlicek, etc. (all hall of fame players)....And Wilt...well....didn't. Like I said, Russell woulda been a power forward in Kareem's era. As for Shaq vs. Kareem, that's really not arguable. Kareem was way more skilled in every way, while Shaq was a power player. Skill will always outdo power. Just like when the less powerful Hakeem schooled Shaq, Kareem woulda' done the same, but to a higher extent...PeACe
It doesn't matter who russel had on his team. Greatness can overcome that. Look at the Warriors vs Dallas last year.
if some cat comes into the NBA and averages 50 points a game and 25 rebounds and you continuously knock him out of the playoffs it says something. 6 straight wins. Think about that.
now, you guys act like i dont respect Wilts talent. I do, but winning is the point of the game and 50 points a game against the bottom feeders of the league doesnt mean look so impressive when you run up against a team that plays defense.
Wilt definetely had a better sex life than Russell
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And he was also easily the better player. Replace Russell with Wilt on that Celtic team, and they woulda' won just as much, if not more. By the time Wilt was on the Lakers, he was way out of his prime, but he still took the Celtics to 7 games and won a championship in 72, when he finally got a real supporting cast. Either way, Kareem>Wilt>Russell. That's the way it'll always be.
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And he was also easily the better player. Replace Russell with Wilt on that Celtic team, and they woulda' won just as much, if not more. By the time Wilt was on the Lakers, he was way out of his prime, but he still took the Celtics to 7 games and won a championship in 72, when he finally got a real supporting cast. Either way, Kareem>Wilt>Russell. That's the way it'll always be.
didn't Bob Cousy say if the Celtics had Wilt they would've won maybe 2 or 3 rings?
and wilt > kareem too. russell > both ofcourse. russell could sit there at night and stare at two fists full of rings.
chamberlain sat there next to some std infested prostitute lol.
kareem will sit there in his funny looking blue featehr suit that he wore as a guest on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air show
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And he was also easily the better player. Replace Russell with Wilt on that Celtic team, and they woulda' won just as much, if not more. By the time Wilt was on the Lakers, he was way out of his prime, but he still took the Celtics to 7 games and won a championship in 72, when he finally got a real supporting cast. Either way, Kareem>Wilt>Russell. That's the way it'll always be.
didn't Bob Cousy say if the Celtics had Wilt they would've won maybe 2 or 3 rings?
and wilt > kareem too. russell > both ofcourse. russell could sit there at night and stare at two fists full of rings.
chamberlain sat there next to some std infested prostitute lol.
kareem will sit there in his funny looking blue featehr suit that he wore as a guest on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air show
I somehow doubt you're basing your opinion off each players individual skill. Kareem would shit all over Russell. No question. Ask these guys:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-GreatestCenters
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And he was also easily the better player. Replace Russell with Wilt on that Celtic team, and they woulda' won just as much, if not more. By the time Wilt was on the Lakers, he was way out of his prime, but he still took the Celtics to 7 games and won a championship in 72, when he finally got a real supporting cast. Either way, Kareem>Wilt>Russell. That's the way it'll always be.
didn't Bob Cousy say if the Celtics had Wilt they would've won maybe 2 or 3 rings?
and wilt > kareem too. russell > both ofcourse. russell could sit there at night and stare at two fists full of rings.
chamberlain sat there next to some std infested prostitute lol.
kareem will sit there in his funny looking blue featehr suit that he wore as a guest on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air show
I somehow doubt you're basing your opinion off each players individual skill. Kareem would shit all over Russell. No question. Ask these guys:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-GreatestCenters
dwight howard recieve a vote despite being the league for a total of 2 years LOL what a convincing list
btw Russell had more MVPs than Wilt despite all the fancy stats, and the 11 rings
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And he was also easily the better player. Replace Russell with Wilt on that Celtic team, and they woulda' won just as much, if not more. By the time Wilt was on the Lakers, he was way out of his prime, but he still took the Celtics to 7 games and won a championship in 72, when he finally got a real supporting cast. Either way, Kareem>Wilt>Russell. That's the way it'll always be.
didn't Bob Cousy say if the Celtics had Wilt they would've won maybe 2 or 3 rings?
and wilt > kareem too. russell > both ofcourse. russell could sit there at night and stare at two fists full of rings.
chamberlain sat there next to some std infested prostitute lol.
kareem will sit there in his funny looking blue featehr suit that he wore as a guest on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air show
I somehow doubt you're basing your opinion off each players individual skill. Kareem would shit all over Russell. No question. Ask these guys:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-GreatestCenters
dwight howard recieve a vote despite being the league for a total of 2 years LOL what a convincing list
btw Russell had more MVPs than Wilt despite all the fancy stats, and the 11 rings
Dwight got ONE 10th place vote...not like there was much competition at the 10 spot to begin with.
But anyways, it's obvious, my dude. Wilt, at one point, led the league in assists! He was the far superior individual talent, and Kareem was even better than him, so go figure.
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And he was also easily the better player. Replace Russell with Wilt on that Celtic team, and they woulda' won just as much, if not more. By the time Wilt was on the Lakers, he was way out of his prime, but he still took the Celtics to 7 games and won a championship in 72, when he finally got a real supporting cast. Either way, Kareem>Wilt>Russell. That's the way it'll always be.
didn't Bob Cousy say if the Celtics had Wilt they would've won maybe 2 or 3 rings?
and wilt > kareem too. russell > both ofcourse. russell could sit there at night and stare at two fists full of rings.
chamberlain sat there next to some std infested prostitute lol.
kareem will sit there in his funny looking blue featehr suit that he wore as a guest on the Fresh Prince of Bel Air show
I somehow doubt you're basing your opinion off each players individual skill. Kareem would shit all over Russell. No question. Ask these guys:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime?page=dailydime-GreatestCenters
dwight howard recieve a vote despite being the league for a total of 2 years LOL what a convincing list
btw Russell had more MVPs than Wilt despite all the fancy stats, and the 11 rings
Dwight got ONE 10th place vote...not like there was much competition at the 10 spot to begin with.
But anyways, it's obvious, my dude. Wilt, at one point, led the league in assists! He was the far superior individual talent, and Kareem was even better than him, so go figure.
stats stats stats
blah blah blah
Russell's got 11 rings and 5 MVPs. that's the only stats that matter.
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Yea? And Kareem has 6 MVPs. ;)
Also, Robert Horry has 7 rings...I guess he's better than Wilt, too.
Kareem>Wilt>Russell
end of.
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Yea? And Kareem has 6 MVPs. ;)
Also, Robert Horry has 7 rings...I guess he's better than Wilt, too.
Kareem>Wilt>Russell
end of.
did robert horry beat wilt head to head 6 straight times to earn those rings?
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^Like I said, put Wilt on the Celtics and Russ on Phili, and you got the same shit...maybe EVEN MORE rings for the Celts.
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^Like I said, put Wilt on the Celtics and Russ on Phili, and you got the same shit...maybe EVEN MORE rings for the Celts.
bob cousy says the C's wouldve had 2 or 3 rings with Wilt
Wilt was a dumb giant oaf, Russell was a genius ;)
Russell made Wilt look like Kwame 8)
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^Like I said, put Wilt on the Celtics and Russ on Phili, and you got the same shit...maybe EVEN MORE rings for the Celts.
bob cousy says the C's wouldve had 2 or 3 rings with Wilt
Wilt was a dumb giant oaf, Russell was a genius ;)
Russell made Wilt look like Kwame 8)
Yea...Wilt was dumb enough to lead the league in assists as a center...Cousy is just saying that cuz he had Russell's dick in his mouth...Sorta like you.
Lets compare the numbers-
Wilt (15 seasons):
30.1 PPG (54% FG)
22.9 RPG
4.4 APG
Russell (13 seasons):
15.1 PPG (44% FG)
22.5 RPG
APG: 4.3
So what exactly was Russell better at? LOL. Wilt was twice as good a scorer...and while scoring twice as much, he still managed to get more assists with worse players. Replace Russell with a David Robinson, and you'd still have those rings, buddy. The Celtics were just built to win...Cousy was a Goddamn MVP, for fucks sake. The claims you're making are absurd. Russell wasn't the only player on the Celtics when they won those rings, so keep that in mind when you're using it as your primary argument...PeACe
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wilt never lead the league in assists until his coaches told him to do so
he had to become a pawn in someones system
not the centerpeice a la Russell or Duncan or Big Diesel
he did score 100 in a game
and he is much better at his position and more dominant than Kobe ;)
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wilt never lead the league in assists until his coaches told him to do so
he had to become a pawn in someones system
not the centerpeice a la Russell or Duncan or Big Diesel
he did score 100 in a game
and he is much better at his position and more dominant than Kobe ;)
(http://wiltfan.tripod.com/images/wilt100.jpg)
Kobe>Wilt>Russell>Anyone on the current Celtic roster
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wilt never lead the league in assists until his coaches told him to do so
he had to become a pawn in someones system
not the centerpeice a la Russell or Duncan or Big Diesel
he did score 100 in a game
and he is much better at his position and more dominant than Kobe ;)
(http://wiltfan.tripod.com/images/wilt100.jpg)
Kobe>Wilt>Russell>Anyone on the current Celtic roster
kobe over wilt and russell AND kg?
which one of the 4 has zero MVPs again?
granted KG hasn't gotten any rings. but Barkley didnt need rings.
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^LMAO...so when it works towards your argument it's, "KG doesn't need rings"...but when it's time to back Russell it's, "look at the rings!". :-X
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^LMAO...so when it works towards your argument it's, "KG doesn't need rings"...but when it's time to back Russell it's, "look at the rings!". :-X
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yeah KG doesn't need rings to be a HOFer though
atleast in my eyes.
it's sure help though.
Russell though he beat wilt HEAD TO HEAD and had like 9 more rings
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russell beat wilt head to head
thats the difference compared to KG not having a ring he's still dominating and he'll get his ring in the future don't worry.
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Boston beat Phili. Wilt>>>Russell. Kobe>>>KG. This stuff is obvious.
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Boston beat Phili. Wilt>>>Russell. Kobe>>>KG. This stuff is obvious.
say what you say
who are you trying to convince me or yourself? ;D
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Nobody...it's just obvious.
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How did Red beat Phil in a vote for coach of the year on dubcc?
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^^I dunno...but it's definitely strange.
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when are you gonna do the baseball one? :D
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Jake needs to step his game up...and so do the Euro's.
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^^^ yup, we can just go ahead and pencil in Vin Scully as the GOAT MLB announcer..that one is pretty much a no brainier..
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^^^ yup, we can just go ahead and pencil in Vin Scully as the GOAT MLB announcer..that one is pretty much a no brainier..
no joe buck? ;)
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^^^ yup, we can just go ahead and pencil in Vin Scully as the GOAT MLB announcer..that one is pretty much a no brainier..
no joe buck? ;)
LOL
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you mentioned the numbers comparing wilt to russell but the main attribute of russels you missed out was his defence. which was absoloutley superb. wilt wasnt bad but the fact he "never" fouled out of a game to me makes it sound like he neglected defence when he was in foul trouble which ive read in certain articles.
plus russell won the majority of the head to head matchups between the two. You cant have an argument for kobe being mvp this year when his "team" is better and than say the exact oppisite about russel saying "his team was better".
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Kobe is the MVP because he's the best player in the league, plain and simple...
If Phil Jax wins another title this year, I think we're gunna have to re-do Auerbach vs. PJ.
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MJ baby
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this will start again SOOON i promise.
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17 championships > 14 championships (9 if u only count LA titles)
Boston winning the series clincher by THIRTY NINE points > Lakers losing by 39 points.
Boston not having the biggest choke ever in the nba finals > lakers having the biggest choke ever
Finals Mvp > regular season MVP
Celtics > Lakers.
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lol you need to relax, you're doin too much
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17 championships > 14 championships (9 if u only count LA titles)
Boston winning the series clincher by THIRTY NINE points > Lakers losing by 39 points.
Boston not having the biggest choke ever in the nba finals > lakers having the biggest choke ever
Finals Mvp > regular season MVP
Celtics > Lakers.
Angels>>>>>>>dodgers........1 playoff win since 1988 ;D :laugh:
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Angels>>>>>>>dodgers........1 playoff win since 1988 ;D :laugh:
shiet, u got me there cuzz. i aint gone lie, my dodgers been bitches in the playoffs.
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17 championships > 14 championships (9 if u only count LA titles)
Boston winning the series clincher by THIRTY NINE points > Lakers losing by 39 points.
Boston not having the biggest choke ever in the nba finals > lakers having the biggest choke ever
Finals Mvp > regular season MVP
Celtics > Lakers.
Angels>>>>>>>dodgers........1 playoff win since 1988 ;D :laugh:
Dodgers >>>>>> angels.........1 ring in franchise history...not to mention the identity crisis theyre going through.. :laugh: ;D
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i got love for both teams. but no matter how much the dodgers suck they'll always have the heart of the city...no matter how many titles the angels win before the dodgers.
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the dodgers are imposters
abandoning Brooklyn >:(
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that was 50 years ago get over it....they found a NICE home here in LA
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that was 50 years ago get over it....they found a NICE home here in LA
they left non-yankee fans in NY with the METS to root for...
thats just horrible lol.
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where's usain bolt?
where's AZ?
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can we add federer to the goat tennis player section (that isnt there yet)
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damn...we need some updating. LOL. JAKEEEE