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The Dark Knight Rises: Anne Hathaway is Catwoman + Tom Hardy is Bane (confirmed)!!!
Well, that settles that, then. Warner Bros. has just announced that Anne Hathaway has won the race to star in The Dark Knight Rises... as Selina Kyle. Also known as Catwoman. “I am thrilled to have the opportunity to work with Anne Hathaway, who will be a fantastic addition to our ensemble as we complete our story," said director Christopher Nolan in a press release.
And, in the same release, WB and Christopher Nolan confirmed that the role Tom Hardy will play in the eagerly-awaited Batman threequel is Bane, the muscle-bound super-steroidal freak who, in the comics, once broke Batman's back. “I am delighted to be working with Tom again and excited to watch him bring to life our new interpretation of one of Batman’s most formidable enemies.”
This represents a flood of information for a Christopher Nolan Bat-movie, and gives us plenty to chew on. We can't wait to see Nolan's take on the twisted relationship between Batman and the capricious Cat - and Hathaway certainly has the chops, and the curves, to fill out the catsuit. Intriguingly, Catwoman isn't mentioned in the WB press release, but with Nolan openly admitting that this is the end of his Bat-tale, it's hard to imagine that Kyle won't become Catwoman at some point in the film.
Still, heck of a year for Hathaway, what with this and her gig hosting the Oscars...
Bane is more interesting. Once again, Nolan is going down the multiple villains route - as he did with Scarecrow and Ra's Al Ghul in Batman Begins, and The Joker and Two-Face in The Dark Knight. But we're intrigued by what he and the magnificent Hardy will bring to the role of Bane, a character who could be laughable in the wrong hands (see Batman & Robin for proof). Will this Bane be more cerebral than the grunting hulk of Schumacherville? Or will he represent the first very real physical threat to Christian Bale's Bat in the trilogy?
Update: As some have pointed out, Bane in the comics is far from a grunting hulk, but a schemer who just happens to have more muscles than your average issue of Men's Health. So, when it comes to battling The Bat, he could have the perfect combination of brains and brawn...
So, what do you think? Happy with these choices? Has the Caped Crusader got enough on his plate with Catwoman and Bane to contend with, or does Nolan have another villainous surprise up his sleeve?
The Dark Knight Rises is out on July 20, 2012.
Check it out:
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The reaction to this so far, seems very mixed. Personally, I think this is great news. Maybe this time we can see a big screen version of Bane that takes him seriously. In the comics he was one of Batman's most formidable foes, but in the "Batman and Robin" movie, they made him out to be mindless muscle working for Mr. Freeze. I think most of the people who read the "Knightfall" series of Batman comics would agree the character was completely wasted.
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Tom Hardy is a damn good actor, I'm just a little concerned about his size. He was a beast in "Bronson" but I'm not sure how he'll look against Bale in Batman shape. Acting-wise definitely a good choice though.
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Im very happy with Tom Hardy, he is incredible actor, not so happy with Anne Hathaway, she looks a bit empty, something is missing for me when it comes to her acting and appearance.
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It was believed that the choice came down between Keira Knightly, Jessica Biel, or Anne Hathaway. Anne Hathaway although not the prettiest is by far the best actress on that short list. She's easily one of the best actresses under the age of 30 out there. The only problem with her is that she keeps coming out in all of these romantic comedies or other shitty movies like that. If you need to be convinced about her acting, check out Rachel Getting Married. The film she should have won a Best Actress Oscar for but the Academy decided to give the life time Best Actress award to Kate Winslet that year.
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I'll reserve all judgment until I see it, but I'm not excited much. However I wouldn't be no matter what the news. I'm already prepared for this to be the worst of the three, I just hope it's still good. I don't know how any aspect of the Bane origin from the comics will fit into this film and expect a full revamp of the character. Some character traits might stay but what do you do with his motive; have him be a man born in a prison that wants to rid the world of prisons and thus breaks open Arkham asylum? They already did the inmates escape the asylum storyline.
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Im very happy with Tom Hardy, he is incredible actor, not so happy with Anne Hathaway, she looks a bit empty, something is missing for me when it comes to her acting and appearance.
I'll reserve all judgment until I see it, but I'm not excited much. However I wouldn't be no matter what the news. I'm already prepared for this to be the worst of the three, I just hope it's still good. I don't know how any aspect of the Bane origin from the comics will fit into this film and expect a full revamp of the character. Some character traits might stay but what do you do with his motive; have him be a man born in a prison that wants to rid the world of prisons and thus breaks open Arkham asylum? They already did the inmates escape the asylum storyline.
Remember when Heath was announced as the Joker...? Everybody was talking shit like "That gay-ass from Brokeback Mountain? This can't be good!" and see what happened... he delivered one of the best acting performances ever! :o
What I'm trying to say is I don't like Anne Hathaway either for this role, and even Catwoman/Bane should've been replaced by other villains (Black Mask/Hugo Strange) in my opinion... but with Nolan as the director I'm not gonna doubt the result. It's gonna be great! IN NOLAN WE TRUST! ;)
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It was believed that the choice came down between Keira Knightly, Jessica Biel, or Anne Hathaway. Anne Hathaway although not the prettiest is by far the best actress on that short list. She's easily one of the best actresses under the age of 30 out there. The only problem with her is that she keeps coming out in all of these romantic comedies or other shitty movies like that. If you need to be convinced about her acting, check out Rachel Getting Married. The film she should have won a Best Actress Oscar for but the Academy decided to give the life time Best Actress award to Kate Winslet that year.
Agreed. While I don't care for a lot of the roles she chooses, Hathaway is a fine actress and she'll do well in this, provided the writing is good. And seeing as how the creative team behind this film is comprised of the same people that brought us the first two films, I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
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It was believed that the choice came down between Keira Knightly, Jessica Biel, or Anne Hathaway. Anne Hathaway although not the prettiest is by far the best actress on that short list. She's easily one of the best actresses under the age of 30 out there. The only problem with her is that she keeps coming out in all of these romantic comedies or other shitty movies like that. If you need to be convinced about her acting, check out Rachel Getting Married. The film she should have won a Best Actress Oscar for but the Academy decided to give the life time Best Actress award to Kate Winslet that year.
Agreed. While I don't care for a lot of the roles she chooses, Hathaway is a fine actress and she'll do well in this, provided the writing is good. And seeing as how the creative team behind this film is comprised of the same people that brought us the first two films, I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
I agree! ;D
Check the pics, I can see possibilities:
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;D
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It was believed that the choice came down between Keira Knightly, Jessica Biel, or Anne Hathaway. Anne Hathaway although not the prettiest is by far the best actress on that short list. She's easily one of the best actresses under the age of 30 out there. The only problem with her is that she keeps coming out in all of these romantic comedies or other shitty movies like that. If you need to be convinced about her acting, check out Rachel Getting Married. The film she should have won a Best Actress Oscar for but the Academy decided to give the life time Best Actress award to Kate Winslet that year.
Agreed. While I don't care for a lot of the roles she chooses, Hathaway is a fine actress and she'll do well in this, provided the writing is good. And seeing as how the creative team behind this film is comprised of the same people that brought us the first two films, I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
I agree! ;D
Check the pics, I can see possibilities:
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Lol. I like the Chris Nolan "Chill the fuck out" pic.
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Shes hot
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Shes hot
That too.
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It was believed that the choice came down between Keira Knightly, Jessica Biel, or Anne Hathaway. Anne Hathaway although not the prettiest is by far the best actress on that short list. She's easily one of the best actresses under the age of 30 out there. The only problem with her is that she keeps coming out in all of these romantic comedies or other shitty movies like that. If you need to be convinced about her acting, check out Rachel Getting Married. The film she should have won a Best Actress Oscar for but the Academy decided to give the life time Best Actress award to Kate Winslet that year.
Agreed. While I don't care for a lot of the roles she chooses, Hathaway is a fine actress and she'll do well in this, provided the writing is good. And seeing as how the creative team behind this film is comprised of the same people that brought us the first two films, I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
My issue isn't with the cast, and I had faith in Nolan with Heath from the start. I just didn't like the last quarter of the Dark Knight and feel it might carry over into the next film. My worry is the quality of writing will suffer. I have no problem at all with Hathaway. Not even Bane yet. I'm just curious what the Bane story will be.
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Shes hot
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It was believed that the choice came down between Keira Knightly, Jessica Biel, or Anne Hathaway. Anne Hathaway although not the prettiest is by far the best actress on that short list. She's easily one of the best actresses under the age of 30 out there. The only problem with her is that she keeps coming out in all of these romantic comedies or other shitty movies like that. If you need to be convinced about her acting, check out Rachel Getting Married. The film she should have won a Best Actress Oscar for but the Academy decided to give the life time Best Actress award to Kate Winslet that year.
Agreed. While I don't care for a lot of the roles she chooses, Hathaway is a fine actress and she'll do well in this, provided the writing is good. And seeing as how the creative team behind this film is comprised of the same people that brought us the first two films, I see no reason why it shouldn't be.
My issue isn't with the cast, and I had faith in Nolan with Heath from the start. I just didn't like the last quarter of the Dark Knight and feel it might carry over into the next film. My worry is the quality of writing will suffer. I have no problem at all with Hathaway. Not even Bane yet. I'm just curious what the Bane story will be.
From a narrative point of view, I don't really know where they're going to go with it. I have faith that they'll come up with something, but the rumors about the movie featuring Dr. Hugo Strange actually made a little more sense to me. Because the "Prey" storyline dealt with Hugo Strange assisting the Gotham Police Department track down a fugitive Batman (which was pretty much the situation that Batman was left in at the end of "The Dark Knight.") There are already rumors that, despite using Bane as the villain rather than Hugo Strange, they still may be using elements of the "Prey" storyline. Of course you have to take any rumors about this movie with a grain of salt though. This casting announcement pretty well illustrates how wrong most of the early rumors about this movie have been.
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From a narrative point of view, I don't really know where they're going to go with it. I have faith that they'll come up with something, but the rumors about the movie featuring Dr. Hugo Strange actually made a little more sense to me. Because the "Prey" storyline dealt with Hugo Strange assisting the Gotham Police Department track down a fugitive Batman (which was pretty much the situation that Batman was left in at the end of "The Dark Knight.") There are already rumors that, despite using Bane as the villain rather than Hugo Strange, they still may be using elements of the "Prey" storyline. Of course you have to take any rumors about this movie with a grain of salt though. This casting announcement pretty well illustrates how wrong most of the early rumors about this movie have been.
I still expect it to be better than any non-Batman superhero film this decade, I'm just not excited about it like I was the Dark Knight because of how the Dark Knight ended, as opposed to how Begins ended, (which I still wasn't blown away by but at least excited to see the Joker and Nolan's take on it so that Burton's take could be wiped away from mainstream culture). There's nothing about the Catwoman or Bane characters that make me say "oh man I can't wait to see Nolan's take on them" and I can't fathom there being a groundbreaking way to tackle the Bat-fugitive storyline.
Nolan said he treated each film as it's own story and didn't plan ahead for a trilogy. I think if he did he would have saved the return of Ducard for this film. He'd be the ideal character in this franchise to be the one that works with Gotham to track and capture Batman.
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What people forget is that Nolan borrows heavy from the comic book, and either Bane or the Black Mask is the only direction he can take it from this point. Batman is on the run, the mob is in pieces dealing with the Joker, so either it's Black Mask that picks up those pieces and becomes the overlord of the city, or what's left of the mob hires Bane, who then "Breaks the Bat." After the Joker and Two-Face, there is nothing left. Riddler is too over done, Mr. Freeze should be done for at least another movie, you can't have the Red Hood, Penguin is just outdated, Poison Ivy and Clayface makes no sense in Nolan's world, same with Killer Croc and Man Bat. So Bane it is, the man who broke the bat. Also, I would love for Ducard to comeback, but Nolan's world does not allow for that, though I know my wife, who knows nothing about Batman other than the movies really wants Two Face back. I can see Two Face coming back, he can still come back later and be the perfect villain.
As for Catwoman, I know many wanted to see Talia come in and avenge her father. But the reality is that Catwoman makes sense to encounter Batman first. In every story of Batman, Catwoman is always one of the first villains he encounters. So bring on the Catwoman. It fits his personal story. Rachel is dead, his lonely and growing more out of touch. The Catwoman would be the one to blur his whole proscriptive, as the first two movies Bruce Wayne has done a good job of separating Batman from himself. Now though, what happens when Batman himself encounters someone that gets his mojo working. Can Batman's love interest, who stands against everything Bruce is against and Rachel is against, help blur the lines between Batman and Bruce Wayne. This personal story will be what makes the movie go, and if Nolan hits it right, Catwoman will be the best thing that's happened. All that's left if adopting a 8 year old Dick Grayson (who should not be Robin in this, or the next film as far as I'm concern) to help Bruce try to fill in that family his trying to build. You have his new love in Catwoman, that father figure in Alfred, now he needs that son in Dick.
I trust in Nolan, I feel that he is the only one that can take the over did Catwoman story and make it fresh and bring to the mainstream what is right with this over 70 year old love/hate story. Adding Bane to me is the icing on the cake, because he has always been one of my favorites and to see what Schumacher did to him was a travesty.
IN NOLAN WE TRUST.
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Great post M Dogg. +1. In Nolan we trust, thats it. I remember I was sceptical when I first heard Heath is gonna play Joker, I knew that he is a great actor but I could not imagine him as Joker, tho he just blew me off with his preformance, lets see what will happen with Anne Heathaway as Catwoman. I have no doubt that Tom Hardy will nail his part, dude is amazing.
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From a narrative point of view, I don't really know where they're going to go with it. I have faith that they'll come up with something, but the rumors about the movie featuring Dr. Hugo Strange actually made a little more sense to me. Because the "Prey" storyline dealt with Hugo Strange assisting the Gotham Police Department track down a fugitive Batman (which was pretty much the situation that Batman was left in at the end of "The Dark Knight.") There are already rumors that, despite using Bane as the villain rather than Hugo Strange, they still may be using elements of the "Prey" storyline. Of course you have to take any rumors about this movie with a grain of salt though. This casting announcement pretty well illustrates how wrong most of the early rumors about this movie have been.
I still expect it to be better than any non-Batman superhero film this decade, I'm just not excited about it like I was the Dark Knight because of how the Dark Knight ended, as opposed to how Begins ended, (which I still wasn't blown away by but at least excited to see the Joker and Nolan's take on it so that Burton's take could be wiped away from mainstream culture). There's nothing about the Catwoman or Bane characters that make me say "oh man I can't wait to see Nolan's take on them" and I can't fathom there being a groundbreaking way to tackle the Bat-fugitive storyline.
Nolan said he treated each film as it's own story and didn't plan ahead for a trilogy. I think if he did he would have saved the return of Ducard for this film. He'd be the ideal character in this franchise to be the one that works with Gotham to track and capture Batman.
While I'm definitely not as excited about the announcement of Catwoman and Bane in this movie as I was about the Joker in "The Dark Knight," I still find Bane and Catwoman to be interesting choices. They are both characters that I didn't really expect Nolan to choose for the third movie, but I am interested to see Nolan's take on them. Especially since the last time that Catwoman and Bane appeared in a movie, the result was just awful. It was as though whoever chose to use those characters had no regard for the source material. I'm sure Nolan will have to change some things, but he'll be much more faithful to the source material than that.
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Deep down, I've always been thinking it would be Bane. What other villain is bad enough to convince Gotham to seek out Batman and embrace him after he and Commissioner Gordon pinned the crimes on him to cover up Harvey Dent?
Anyway, expect some CGI on Bane... kind of like what they did to that one guy from that League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie where he went from this:
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to this:
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Before this was announced but when I was still hoping Bane would be the main villain, I was hoping that Nathan Jones (from Ong Bak and Fearless) would play Bane since he's got the size:
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Christian Bale Talks Dark Knight Rises
It's his farewell to the Bat...probably
Source: Exclusive
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This may not come as a huge surprise but it does come straight from the horse's mouth: Christian Bale, talking to Empire last month, said that The Dark Knight Rises will be his last Batman movie...probably.
"All I know is the likelihood that this will be the last one," says the star. "Well, I wouldn't say definitely. If Chris goes, 'Hey, I've got another story I think could be interesting,' then yeah, great, I'd go do that. I always assumed it would be three, but I could be wrong. I don't know if there's something wrong with me, but I don't feel any pressure."
Nolan's on record as saying that the next film will be the last chapter in his Batman franchise, so we're going to assume that's it, but hey! It's nice that Bale isn't locking anything out. It's clear throughout our interview that he and Christopher Nolan continue to enjoy a great relationship, and also that Bale's looking forward to the new members of the gang.
"[Tom Hardy] seems like he's balls-out, doesn't he? Like he really goes for it.He looked like a guy that was happy to go to extremes, to really push it. Looks like he could go the distance..."
For the full interview, which includes a whole lot on The Fighter - including an explanation why, despite featuring famed hotheads Bale and director David O.Russell, everything was calm on set, and which role it is that Bale really wants to play (it's not obvious!) - pick up the latest issue of Empire, which is on sale now. You know you want it.
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Christian Bale Talks Dark Knight Rises
It's his farewell to the Bat...probably
Source: Exclusive
(http://www.empireonline.com/images/image_index/150x180/28470.jpg)
This may not come as a huge surprise but it does come straight from the horse's mouth: Christian Bale, talking to Empire last month, said that The Dark Knight Rises will be his last Batman movie...probably.
"All I know is the likelihood that this will be the last one," says the star. "Well, I wouldn't say definitely. If Chris goes, 'Hey, I've got another story I think could be interesting,' then yeah, great, I'd go do that. I always assumed it would be three, but I could be wrong. I don't know if there's something wrong with me, but I don't feel any pressure."
Nolan's on record as saying that the next film will be the last chapter in his Batman franchise, so we're going to assume that's it, but hey! It's nice that Bale isn't locking anything out. It's clear throughout our interview that he and Christopher Nolan continue to enjoy a great relationship, and also that Bale's looking forward to the new members of the gang.
"[Tom Hardy] seems like he's balls-out, doesn't he? Like he really goes for it.He looked like a guy that was happy to go to extremes, to really push it. Looks like he could go the distance..."
For the full interview, which includes a whole lot on The Fighter - including an explanation why, despite featuring famed hotheads Bale and director David O.Russell, everything was calm on set, and which role it is that Bale really wants to play (it's not obvious!) - pick up the latest issue of Empire, which is on sale now. You know you want it.
Yeah. Bale's been saying this for a while. It seems like he's really loyal to Nolan. But my question is, what if Nolan doesn't return but another really good director does the next one. For instance, what if Daren Aronofsky were to do the next one, or David Fincher? Wouldn't he want to at least keep the option on the table. I could see passing on a fourth if they replaced Christopher Nolan with a hack. I would hope though, that he will at least wait and see what happens.
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But my question is, what if Nolan doesn't return but another really good director does the next one. For instance, what if Daren Aronofsky were to do the next one, or David Fincher? Wouldn't he want to at least keep the option on the table. I could see passing on a fourth if they replaced Christopher Nolan with a hack. I would hope though, that he will at least wait and see what happens.
I think this will depend on how well this new Spiderman film does next year. Spiderman came out in 02 and made a killing, then Spidey 2 comes out and does more. With Spidey 3 the sales don't do as well (but still good) and Raimi leaves, so for the ten year mark of the first film Marvel sets out a complete revamp; new director and lead actor. And of course new tone for the film.
If Arnofsky or Fincher want in on Batman they won't want to pick up where Nolan left off and will want to bring their own vision to the franchise. Now if it was me, I'd want my own Bruce Wayne and not Nolan's guy. Bale's a great actor but Bruce and Batman can be played well by a lot of actors (famous or unknown) and I'm sure Darren and whoever else would want one for their own. So if the new Spidey does well then DC has a reason to say we don't need you Christian and won't bother trying to get him back, but if the focus groups say "why is this guy Spiderman?" and the movie does poorly then they'll beg him to come back. And by the time the next Batman after this one is set to be released itll be at least 2015, which is 10 years from Begins.
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But my question is, what if Nolan doesn't return but another really good director does the next one. For instance, what if Daren Aronofsky were to do the next one, or David Fincher? Wouldn't he want to at least keep the option on the table. I could see passing on a fourth if they replaced Christopher Nolan with a hack. I would hope though, that he will at least wait and see what happens.
I think this will depend on how well this new Spiderman film does next year. Spiderman came out in 02 and made a killing, then Spidey 2 comes out and does more. With Spidey 3 the sales don't do as well (but still good) and Raimi leaves, so for the ten year mark of the first film Marvel sets out a complete revamp; new director and lead actor. And of course new tone for the film.
If Arnofsky or Fincher want in on Batman they won't want to pick up where Nolan left off and will want to bring their own vision to the franchise. Now if it was me, I'd want my own Bruce Wayne and not Nolan's guy. Bale's a great actor but Bruce and Batman can be played well by a lot of actors (famous or unknown) and I'm sure Darren and whoever else would want one for their own. So if the new Spidey does well then DC has a reason to say we don't need you Christian and won't bother trying to get him back, but if the focus groups say "why is this guy Spiderman?" and the movie does poorly then they'll beg him to come back. And by the time the next Batman after this one is set to be released itll be at least 2015, which is 10 years from Begins.
You're probably right, but man, I hate that they're constantly rebooting everything, now. I'm even beginning to hate the word "reboot." lol That's not to say I wouldn't give a different director's take on the material, a chance if it looked interesting. But personally, I would rather a different director do their own storyline, but not start the franchise over. I understand that studios are going to look at these things largely from a financial standpoint. So from that perspective, maybe it makes sense to them to start things over just to keep the property fresh for the audience. Personally though, I find it frustrating that you get so far with a continuous storyline in a movie franchise, and then you have to start all the way over. That's one thing that irks me about this newest Spider-man movie. With the first series of Batman movies, it made sense to reboot the franchise because enough damage had been done to the property that they really couldn't continue on from "Batman and Robin" and hope to make money. Also, by then a considerable amount of time had passed (eight years, I believe) where Warner Bros. had left Batman alone. This new "Spider-man" though seems to be part of an increasing trend in Hollywood to use "rebooting" as a crutch for any bump in the road the a film series encounters, rather than just being creative and fixing the problems.
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I think this will depend on how well this new Spiderman film does next year. Spiderman came out in 02 and made a killing, then Spidey 2 comes out and does more. With Spidey 3 the sales don't do as well (but still good)
Spiderman 3 sold more than the previous two
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When Nolan and Bale leave, I would NOT reboot the franchise, I'd build off it. They did a great job of building a great story of young Bruce Wayne. I'd hire someone to play an older Bruce Wayne, someone who needs a Robin to help him, and someone who in the comics is looking to build a sense of family, even through his own twisted Batman world. Start with Robin in part 4, you can bring back Two-Face, and have Dick Grayson help Batman as an older Batman is not cutting it. Part 5 can start with the Dick Grayson split and turn to Nightwight, move to a different city and forge his own identity. Since you have a new Batman, why not a new Joker and bring in Jason Todd's Robin to be killed by the Joker. This would solidify Joker as Batman's main villain and continue their story. Maybe even get Batgirl in there as Barbara Gordon and have her suffer the fate of getting paralyzed by Joker as well. Part 6 can deal with Tim Drake becoming Robin, and how he helps Batman capture the Joker.
You don't have to do a reboot, just have Batman move eras. If they get the right director and actor for Batman, they should be able to do another trilogy of older Batman. Hell, maybe a 3 trilogy with Bruce Wayne's death and Dick Grayson coming back to claim the cowl. I forgot you need to have Bruce Wayne's love story with Talia al Ghul. So much to do with Batman for another trilogy, Warner Brothers be thinking ahead.
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Going a bit offtopic here, I wanted to say that the recent decisions that were made from the powers that be to reboot certain stories (Spider-Man and most notably, Hulk (for the second time >:( ) have been not so well thought out imo.I can see why they wanted to to a new Spider-Man story, but with Hulk?Everything was falling into place with the whole Avengers storyline but that's been discussed here before, so I'll leave it at that
Also, with Aronofsky being mentioned, it's nice to see that he's directing the new Wolverine movie (if imdb is to be trusted).From what I could gather the Origins story would be treated like it didn't exist (not sure though) and Hugh Jackman is still on board, which could mean very intriguing results
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Going a bit offtopic here, I wanted to say that the recent decisions that were made from the powers that be to reboot certain stories (Spider-Man and most notably, Hulk (for the second time >:( ) have been not so well thought out imo.I can see why they wanted to to a new Spider-Man story, but with Hulk?Everything was falling into place with the whole Avengers storyline but that's been discussed here before, so I'll leave it at that
Also, with Aronofsky being mentioned, it's nice to see that he's directing the new Wolverine movie (if imdb is to be trusted).From what I could gather the Origins story would be treated like it didn't exist (not sure though) and Hugh Jackman is still on board, which could mean very intriguing results
Yeah. Aronofsky is doing the next Wolverine movie, this time just titled "The Wolverine." He's said in recent interviews that it will be based off of Frank Miller's stories of Wolverine in Japan. It will still have Hugh Jackman as Wolverine, but will otherwise not be associated with "X-men Origins: Wolverine." So with that movie it would seem that Aronofsky is taking the approach that I would prefer directors take (at least most of the time). He's taking the story in a new (and hopefully better) direction, but even though he's not necessarily referencing the first movie, he's not totally starting over.
Also, prior to "Batman Begins" being released, Aronofsky and Frank Miller had collaborated on a movie adaptation of Miller's "Batman: Year One." I'm not sure how far along the project got before it was scrapped in favor of "Batman Begins," but there's recently been talk that a comic adaptation of their version of "Batman: Year One" may still be released. Not sure though what that would mean as far as the likelihood of the movie ever being made. Personally I would prefer a fourth film in the current series, but if they absolutely had to reboot Batman, Miller and Aronofsky would probably have a pretty interesting take on the material.
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I think this will depend on how well this new Spiderman film does next year. Spiderman came out in 02 and made a killing, then Spidey 2 comes out and does more. With Spidey 3 the sales don't do as well (but still good)
Spiderman 3 sold more than the previous two
Not domestically , where it counts the most. Worldwide markets get caught up more in taxes and tariffs and the figure is used mainly for marketing purposes "so and so" world wide sales sound great, but as far as actual cash in hand after a film is released you want it from te US market if you're a hollywood producer.
You're probably right, but man, I hate that they're constantly rebooting everything, now. I'm even beginning to hate the word "reboot." lol That's not to say I wouldn't give a different director's take on the material, a chance if it looked interesting. But personally, I would rather a different director do their own storyline, but not start the franchise over. I understand that studios are going to look at these things largely from a financial standpoint. So from that perspective, maybe it makes sense to them to start things over just to keep the property fresh for the audience. Personally though, I find it frustrating that you get so far with a continuous storyline in a movie franchise, and then you have to start all the way over. That's one thing that irks me about this newest Spider-man movie. With the first series of Batman movies, it made sense to reboot the franchise because enough damage had been done to the property that they really couldn't continue on from "Batman and Robin" and hope to make money. Also, by then a considerable amount of time had passed (eight years, I believe) where Warner Bros. had left Batman alone. This new "Spider-man" though seems to be part of an increasing trend in Hollywood to use "rebooting" as a crutch for any bump in the road the a film series encounters, rather than just being creative and fixing the problems.
Comics do it all the time though. They change a creative team and in essence change the whole lay out of the character. Sometimes it's sudden, and sometimes it's gradual but it's still very different by the end of it. You think you can read Batman issues 1 to 700 in order and have any sense of the same universe? They're is probably 10 to 15 completely different Gothams and Bruce Waynes if you really want to read through it all.
When Nolan and Bale leave, I would NOT reboot the franchise, I'd build off it. They did a great job of building a great story of young Bruce Wayne. I'd hire someone to play an older Bruce Wayne, someone who needs a Robin to help him, and someone who in the comics is looking to build a sense of family, even through his own twisted Batman world. Start with Robin in part 4, you can bring back Two-Face, and have Dick Grayson help Batman as an older Batman is not cutting it. Part 5 can start with the Dick Grayson split and turn to Nightwight, move to a different city and forge his own identity. Since you have a new Batman, why not a new Joker and bring in Jason Todd's Robin to be killed by the Joker. This would solidify Joker as Batman's main villain and continue their story. Maybe even get Batgirl in there as Barbara Gordon and have her suffer the fate of getting paralyzed by Joker as well. Part 6 can deal with Tim Drake becoming Robin, and how he helps Batman capture the Joker.
You don't have to do a reboot, just have Batman move eras. If they get the right director and actor for Batman, they should be able to do another trilogy of older Batman. Hell, maybe a 3 trilogy with Bruce Wayne's death and Dick Grayson coming back to claim the cowl. I forgot you need to have Bruce Wayne's love story with Talia al Ghul. So much to do with Batman for another trilogy, Warner Brothers be thinking ahead.
They don't have to do another origin story to do a reboot, but they also don't have to keep the character in the same exact continuity. Let's be serious; even if Nolan and Bale stayed on for 5 more films there would be huge gaps in the continuity eventually. Hugh Jackman played different Wolverines already, even though it's supposedly the same universe and same character.
All I'm saying is if I was a director with a vision for Batman a great story in mind, I could still use a Batman universe based closely on Nolan's but still have my own actor play Bruce in his way and someone else play Joker in his way. I wouldn't get a guy to mimic Heath. The mainstream audience that doesn't get it will still understand the basics of the Batman and the Joker and they already did before Nolan's films (many of fans did anyway).
Would I want another Batman origin story? Maybe, maybe not. I definitely would with Spider-man because I hated it so much, but with Bats they could do plenty of things with a new director that would be fine with me if done right.
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**Oops. This was originally a double post. Anyway, here's a link to another article about the recent casting announcement and some of the previous casting rumors which turned out to be false...
http://blog.movies.yahoo.com/blog/435-anne-hathaway-is-your-new-catwoman
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I think this will depend on how well this new Spiderman film does next year. Spiderman came out in 02 and made a killing, then Spidey 2 comes out and does more. With Spidey 3 the sales don't do as well (but still good)
Spiderman 3 sold more than the previous two
Not domestically , where it counts the most. Worldwide markets get caught up more in taxes and tariffs and the figure is used mainly for marketing purposes "so and so" world wide sales sound great, but as far as actual cash in hand after a film is released you want it from te US market if you're a hollywood producer.
You're probably right, but man, I hate that they're constantly rebooting everything, now. I'm even beginning to hate the word "reboot." lol That's not to say I wouldn't give a different director's take on the material, a chance if it looked interesting. But personally, I would rather a different director do their own storyline, but not start the franchise over. I understand that studios are going to look at these things largely from a financial standpoint. So from that perspective, maybe it makes sense to them to start things over just to keep the property fresh for the audience. Personally though, I find it frustrating that you get so far with a continuous storyline in a movie franchise, and then you have to start all the way over. That's one thing that irks me about this newest Spider-man movie. With the first series of Batman movies, it made sense to reboot the franchise because enough damage had been done to the property that they really couldn't continue on from "Batman and Robin" and hope to make money. Also, by then a considerable amount of time had passed (eight years, I believe) where Warner Bros. had left Batman alone. This new "Spider-man" though seems to be part of an increasing trend in Hollywood to use "rebooting" as a crutch for any bump in the road the a film series encounters, rather than just being creative and fixing the problems.
Comics do it all the time though. They change a creative team and in essence change the whole lay out of the character. Sometimes it's sudden, and sometimes it's gradual but it's still very different by the end of it. You think you can read Batman issues 1 to 700 in order and have any sense of the same universe? They're is probably 10 to 15 completely different Gothams and Bruce Waynes if you really want to read through it all.
When Nolan and Bale leave, I would NOT reboot the franchise, I'd build off it. They did a great job of building a great story of young Bruce Wayne. I'd hire someone to play an older Bruce Wayne, someone who needs a Robin to help him, and someone who in the comics is looking to build a sense of family, even through his own twisted Batman world. Start with Robin in part 4, you can bring back Two-Face, and have Dick Grayson help Batman as an older Batman is not cutting it. Part 5 can start with the Dick Grayson split and turn to Nightwight, move to a different city and forge his own identity. Since you have a new Batman, why not a new Joker and bring in Jason Todd's Robin to be killed by the Joker. This would solidify Joker as Batman's main villain and continue their story. Maybe even get Batgirl in there as Barbara Gordon and have her suffer the fate of getting paralyzed by Joker as well. Part 6 can deal with Tim Drake becoming Robin, and how he helps Batman capture the Joker.
You don't have to do a reboot, just have Batman move eras. If they get the right director and actor for Batman, they should be able to do another trilogy of older Batman. Hell, maybe a 3 trilogy with Bruce Wayne's death and Dick Grayson coming back to claim the cowl. I forgot you need to have Bruce Wayne's love story with Talia al Ghul. So much to do with Batman for another trilogy, Warner Brothers be thinking ahead.
They don't have to do another origin story to do a reboot, but they also don't have to keep the character in the same exact continuity. Let's be serious; even if Nolan and Bale stayed on for 5 more films there would be huge gaps in the continuity eventually. Hugh Jackman played different Wolverines already, even though it's supposedly the same universe and same character.
All I'm saying is if I was a director with a vision for Batman a great story in mind, I could still use a Batman universe based closely on Nolan's but still have my own actor play Bruce in his way and someone else play Joker in his way. I wouldn't get a guy to mimic Heath. The mainstream audience that doesn't get it will still understand the basics of the Batman and the Joker and they already did before Nolan's films (many of fans did anyway).
Would I want another Batman origin story? Maybe, maybe not. I definitely would with Spider-man because I hated it so much, but with Bats they could do plenty of things with a new director that would be fine with me if done right.
You're right, but I believe that "rebooting has become an overused device in comics as well.
DC Comics handled "rebooting" their comics about the best in the 1980's with "Crisis on Infinite Earths," which basically rebooted the entire DC Universe. In that instance it was necessary because there was 40 years plus of continuity errors in the stories which resulted from so many different writers working on the comics over the years. But at least with that storyline, while it served the function of a reboot, the story managed to keep even the events that occured before the reboot, in-continuity.
I also didn't mind what Marvel did with their answer to convoluted continuity problems, when they introduced the "Ultimate" universe. Rather than mess around with trying to fix the various continuity problems that had occurred over the years, they just introduced a different universe. That seemed like a pretty good compromise because readers of the original Marvel comics still had their comics, but someone that didn't follow every single issue of "Amazing Spider-Man" that just wanted to read a few comics hear and there could pick up "Ultimate Spider-Man" and actually know what was going on. So, I give them points for coming up with an alternative to a reboot.
I do not however think that Marvel has handled their later attempts at rebooting the storyline within "Amazing Spider-Man" well at all. Granted, many fans didn't like J. Michael Straczynski's storyline in "Amazing..." very well either, but their reboot to the "Brand New Day" storyline was completely bungled by lazy story telling and their then editor-n-chief taking it upon himself to re-write the author's original ending. (You can read about this fiasco here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spider-Man:_One_More_Day and here: http://uk.comics.ign.com/articles/843/843196p1.html)
I hope I'm wrong, but I'm afraid this latest Spider-Man movie will suffer from the same tinkering that that awful reboot of "Amazing Spider-Man" comics did. (From some of the early pics I've seen, I'm also a little worried this movie is going to end up more like ""Twilight"-er-Man" than "Spider-Man" but I guess that should probably be saved for discussion in a Spider-Man thread).
Having said all this, I'm not taking issue with your reasoning when it comes to the future of the "Batman" franchise. I'm sure Hollywood will consider a reboot. They're going to do whatever they think it going to make them the most money and being that reboots seem to be all the rage as of late, I'm sure they will at least strongly consider one. Especially if Christopher Nolan decides that he's definitely finished making Batman movies after "The Dark Knight Rises."
All I'm saying is that while I have certainly liked some of the rebooted franchise (Batman being one of them), it's all beginning to seem so formulaic, much like prequals, sequals, "re-imaginings," and releasing everything in 3-D.
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Until Sins Past I would have said JMS's run on Spidey was exactly what was needed.
As for rebooting comics and film, I simply don't think continuity should be emphasized at all when creative teams change, unless the new team coming in really really wants to build off of the previous team then fine but I feel it's refreshing when a creative team can have their run and then end it and then a new team can bring something great to it. What I hate is when a creative team gets dropped or leaves half way and then the new team comes in and brings anew style in the same continuity kind of mid story. What happened to Gen 13 in the 90s when Campell and Choi left and Arcudi and Frank jumped in basically killed the book. It was too completely different styles set in the same time and place and it was horrible.
If Arnofksy did Batman with Miller and it was a year one it'd bea great project. If they wanted to do a DK Returns it'd be great. Or even a No Man's Land style movie. You wouldn't have to say with any one (except for a Year One) that this is or isn't based on Nolan's films. It's just a Batman story by Arnofksy.
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Until Sins Past I would have said JMS's run on Spidey was exactly what was needed.
As for rebooting comics and film, I simply don't think continuity should be emphasized at all when creative teams change, unless the new team coming in really really wants to build off of the previous team then fine but I feel it's refreshing when a creative team can have their run and then end it and then a new team can bring something great to it. What I hate is when a creative team gets dropped or leaves half way and then the new team comes in and brings anew style in the same continuity kind of mid story. What happened to Gen 13 in the 90s when Campell and Choi left and Arcudi and Frank jumped in basically killed the book. It was too completely different styles set in the same time and place and it was horrible.
If Arnofksy did Batman with Miller and it was a year one it'd bea great project. If they wanted to do a DK Returns it'd be great. Or even a No Man's Land style movie. You wouldn't have to say with any one (except for a Year One) that this is or isn't based on Nolan's films. It's just a Batman story by Arnofksy.
I never got to read all of JMS's run on Spider-man, but from what I did read of it, I personally didn't think it was too bad at all. In fact, JMS seemed to me to have a knack for writing the Peter Parker/Mary Jane elements of the story particularly well. I didn't even bother reading the "Brand New Day" story though because how they got there (by basically having Mephisto undo everything that happened in the previous runs as well as the events pertaining to Spider-Man that occured in Marvel's "Civil War" series) was in my opinion an insult to the readers' intelligence not to mention, quite lame. From what I've heard the current Spidey series has attempted to restart things again, basically trying a "Brand New Day" 2.0 type of thing. Haven't read any of those either, but from the reviews I've read, the reception seems mixed at best.
Regarding the rebooting of comics and films, I don't think it's necessary to reference every single element of a previous story or run. By all means, if something didn't work before, I have no problem with a particular element or elements being dropped. And really, when it comes to comics that sort of thing is done all the time when creative teams switch. But I think completely rebooting a series while sometimes necessary, has the potential of becoming a crutch for lazy story telling if writers aren't careful with how it's used.
Also, I agree that there would be nothing wrong with a "Dark Knight Returns" or "No Man's Land" movie that isn't directly related to the Nolan films. But there would be no reason that they would have to make those movies directly contradict the Nolan films either. To me, just ignoring the Nolan films and telling a different story would be preferable to starting all the way over. Although I have to concede that if Aronofsky and Miller were to do a "Batman: Year One," I really see no way that it could exist in the same continuity as the Nolan films, as "Year One" would basically be covering the same period of time that was covered in "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight."
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Also, I agree that there would be nothing wrong with a "Dark Knight Returns" or "No Man's Land" movie that isn't directly related to the Nolan films. But there would be no reason that they would have to make those movies directly contradict the Nolan films either. To me, just ignoring the Nolan films and telling a different story would be preferable to starting all the way over. Although I have to concede that if Aronofsky and Miller were to do a "Batman: Year One," I really see no way that it could exist in the same continuity as the Nolan films, as "Year One" would basically be covering the same period of time that was covered in "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight."
Exactly. The way the Nolan films rebuilt the idea of who Batman is can be taken advantage of to some extent. To me personally there is no reason to completely re-tell the origin of Batman or the Joker in anyway. If you recall I had 3 stories laid out with regards to The Batman origin, the Joker, and the third story, but (and it's super hypothetical of course) if DC were to read my plots and say let's run with it, I'd say there is no reason to do my stories on feature film. They're too close to the Nolan stuff and it would be silly to me to just ignore the Nolan films. Now as 12 issue sets each or even as 6 to 12 episode TV or straight to DVD, or even animated films I'd be all for it. But if I were per chance a Hollywood writer or director and the third film came and went and in 2013 they came to me and said we want another Bat film, I'd personally say let me see what I can think of and it would either take place way after the Dark Knight rises or with in the same realm somewhere, because in the end I really did like the Nolan-verse. Where as I hated Raimi's Spider-man and would want that redone.
There is plenty that cane be done with Batman that a new director would not have to re-educate the fans on who Batman is and just take the established Begins Batman and just tell a good Bat story. No matter who the Villain was. But if the mythos was played around with a bit and let's say Talia was introduced in flash back scenes of when Bruce was being trained by Ghul, I wouldn't mind at all, but if it was cemented as a sequel to the Nolan films it would be harder to get away with stuff like that.
Now Robin I've always been torn on, because in a complete fantasy based world like Burton's Batman I could do it easy, but from a Nolan-verse perspective I could never justify Bruce bringing a teenage boy into battle with him. Now if he trained him until the easrly 20s and then used him that'd be different. It's also a lot harder to write how Bruce Wayne could take in a ward like Grayson in to his home and very public life and have it seem realistic. Bruce Wayne is more or less Spencer Pratt or if you're good on history, Conrad "Nicky" Hilton. And if a socialite celebrity took in a 14 year old cirque du soliel orphan after an accident in 2011 it'd be gay-dar story of the year.
I mean if this is an event where super-socialite Bruce Wayne is attending then it has to be a Nolan-verse equivalent to cirque, rather than some run down circus act. The story would have to be handled very carefully so it makes sense in modern times. Now you could keep Tony Zucco and have him as the Italian that takes over the streets with Maroni out of the way and connect him somehow to the travelling circus show. It might have to be more than just an average mob shakedown, but maybe not. Zucco could be seen a loon too stuck in the old ways and not realizing how things have to work in modern times. He might not have to go down for it by the cops, but the thugs responsible would, or he would go down and go into hiding. Batman gets the Penguin to reveal the where a bouts of Zucco and Bats goes after him, but a young Grayson already managed to sneak his way in and get to Zucco as well. Batman sees the kid about to get himself killed for vengeance and saves him, but also sees a kindred spirit. And the thirst for blood by a young teen is the only reason Batman takes it upon himself to help the kid later on, but from a Bruce Wayne mentoring a young kid stand point and Batman wouldn't be known to Grayson for a few years.
I don't know. I'm just thinking aloud. it's hard to plot a Robin story in a Nolan-verse.
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Also, I agree that there would be nothing wrong with a "Dark Knight Returns" or "No Man's Land" movie that isn't directly related to the Nolan films. But there would be no reason that they would have to make those movies directly contradict the Nolan films either. To me, just ignoring the Nolan films and telling a different story would be preferable to starting all the way over. Although I have to concede that if Aronofsky and Miller were to do a "Batman: Year One," I really see no way that it could exist in the same continuity as the Nolan films, as "Year One" would basically be covering the same period of time that was covered in "Batman Begins" and "The Dark Knight."
Exactly. The way the Nolan films rebuilt the idea of who Batman is can be taken advantage of to some extent. To me personally there is no reason to completely re-tell the origin of Batman or the Joker in anyway. If you recall I had 3 stories laid out with regards to The Batman origin, the Joker, and the third story, but (and it's super hypothetical of course) if DC were to read my plots and say let's run with it, I'd say there is no reason to do my stories on feature film. They're too close to the Nolan stuff and it would be silly to me to just ignore the Nolan films. Now as 12 issue sets each or even as 6 to 12 episode TV or straight to DVD, or even animated films I'd be all for it. But if I were per chance a Hollywood writer or director and the third film came and went and in 2013 they came to me and said we want another Bat film, I'd personally say let me see what I can think of and it would either take place way after the Dark Knight rises or with in the same realm somewhere, because in the end I really did like the Nolan-verse. Where as I hated Raimi's Spider-man and would want that redone.
There is plenty that cane be done with Batman that a new director would not have to re-educate the fans on who Batman is and just take the established Begins Batman and just tell a good Bat story. No matter who the Villain was. But if the mythos was played around with a bit and let's say Talia was introduced in flash back scenes of when Bruce was being trained by Ghul, I wouldn't mind at all, but if it was cemented as a sequel to the Nolan films it would be harder to get away with stuff like that.
Now Robin I've always been torn on, because in a complete fantasy based world like Burton's Batman I could do it easy, but from a Nolan-verse perspective I could never justify Bruce bringing a teenage boy into battle with him. Now if he trained him until the easrly 20s and then used him that'd be different. It's also a lot harder to write how Bruce Wayne could take in a ward like Grayson in to his home and very public life and have it seem realistic. Bruce Wayne is more or less Spencer Pratt or if you're good on history, Conrad "Nicky" Hilton. And if a socialite celebrity took in a 14 year old cirque du soliel orphan after an accident in 2011 it'd be gay-dar story of the year.
I mean if this is an event where super-socialite Bruce Wayne is attending then it has to be a Nolan-verse equivalent to cirque, rather than some run down circus act. The story would have to be handled very carefully so it makes sense in modern times. Now you could keep Tony Zucco and have him as the Italian that takes over the streets with Maroni out of the way and connect him somehow to the travelling circus show. It might have to be more than just an average mob shakedown, but maybe not. Zucco could be seen a loon too stuck in the old ways and not realizing how things have to work in modern times. He might not have to go down for it by the cops, but the thugs responsible would, or he would go down and go into hiding. Batman gets the Penguin to reveal the where a bouts of Zucco and Bats goes after him, but a young Grayson already managed to sneak his way in and get to Zucco as well. Batman sees the kid about to get himself killed for vengeance and saves him, but also sees a kindred spirit. And the thirst for blood by a young teen is the only reason Batman takes it upon himself to help the kid later on, but from a Bruce Wayne mentoring a young kid stand point and Batman wouldn't be known to Grayson for a few years.
I don't know. I'm just thinking aloud. it's hard to plot a Robin story in a Nolan-verse.
You're right. As you well pointed out in your post, it would be difficult to place Robin in the context of the universe that Nolan has established. On one hand, I would like to see them try to come up with a way to make the character work as he is integral to the Batman mythology. But on the other hand, I see why they don't bother. I think if he stayed with the series past "The Dark Knight Rises" Nolan could probably think of a way, perhaps by taking a more minimalist approach to the character and phasing in the Robin identity slowly over a series of two or three films. But my feeling from reading different interviews with Christopher Nolan is that even if he were to stay on as director for more Batman films, he would not introduce Robin, simply because he does not like the character. That's not to say that perhaps some other director wouldn't introduce Robin into a later Batman film, sometime down the road. Interestingly enough, Warner Bros. very nearly began production on a t.v. show called "The Graysons" a couple years ago that would have been in much the same vein as "Smallville," following around Dick Grayson and family before his time as Batman's sidekick. I'm glad that didn't happen. Especially given that their last attempt at a Batman-related show was "Birds of Prey" and that was a train wreck.
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You're right. As you well pointed out in your post, it would be difficult to place Robin in the context of the universe that Nolan has established. On one hand, I would like to see them try to come up with a way to make the character work as he is integral to the Batman mythology. But on the other hand, I see why they don't bother. I think if he stayed with the series past "The Dark Knight Rises" Nolan could probably think of a way, perhaps by taking a more minimalist approach to the character and phasing in the Robin identity slowly over a series of two or three films. But my feeling from reading different interviews with Christopher Nolan is that even if he were to stay on as director for more Batman films, he would not introduce Robin, simply because he does not like the character. That's not to say that perhaps some other director wouldn't introduce Robin into a later Batman film, sometime down the road. Interestingly enough, Warner Bros. very nearly began production on a t.v. show called "The Graysons" a couple years ago that would have been in much the same vein as "Smallville," following around Dick Grayson and family before his time as Batman's sidekick. I'm glad that didn't happen. Especially given that their last attempt at a Batman-related show was "Birds of Prey" and that was a train wreck.
Smallville worked mainly because it's more or less the Superboy comic book of years ago as a TV show. You couldn't season after season of Dick Grayson with his family. No matter who was behind it.
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You're right. As you well pointed out in your post, it would be difficult to place Robin in the context of the universe that Nolan has established. On one hand, I would like to see them try to come up with a way to make the character work as he is integral to the Batman mythology. But on the other hand, I see why they don't bother. I think if he stayed with the series past "The Dark Knight Rises" Nolan could probably think of a way, perhaps by taking a more minimalist approach to the character and phasing in the Robin identity slowly over a series of two or three films. But my feeling from reading different interviews with Christopher Nolan is that even if he were to stay on as director for more Batman films, he would not introduce Robin, simply because he does not like the character. That's not to say that perhaps some other director wouldn't introduce Robin into a later Batman film, sometime down the road. Interestingly enough, Warner Bros. very nearly began production on a t.v. show called "The Graysons" a couple years ago that would have been in much the same vein as "Smallville," following around Dick Grayson and family before his time as Batman's sidekick. I'm glad that didn't happen. Especially given that their last attempt at a Batman-related show was "Birds of Prey" and that was a train wreck.
Smallville worked mainly because it's more or less the Superboy comic book of years ago as a TV show. You couldn't season after season of Dick Grayson with his family. No matter who was behind it.
Yeah. That's what I was thinking. If it was just about his story prior to meeting Batman, I'm not sure how they would have been able to keep that going, week after week. The people developing this show must have finally realized this too.
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You're right. As you well pointed out in your post, it would be difficult to place Robin in the context of the universe that Nolan has established. On one hand, I would like to see them try to come up with a way to make the character work as he is integral to the Batman mythology. But on the other hand, I see why they don't bother. I think if he stayed with the series past "The Dark Knight Rises" Nolan could probably think of a way, perhaps by taking a more minimalist approach to the character and phasing in the Robin identity slowly over a series of two or three films. But my feeling from reading different interviews with Christopher Nolan is that even if he were to stay on as director for more Batman films, he would not introduce Robin, simply because he does not like the character. That's not to say that perhaps some other director wouldn't introduce Robin into a later Batman film, sometime down the road. Interestingly enough, Warner Bros. very nearly began production on a t.v. show called "The Graysons" a couple years ago that would have been in much the same vein as "Smallville," following around Dick Grayson and family before his time as Batman's sidekick. I'm glad that didn't happen. Especially given that their last attempt at a Batman-related show was "Birds of Prey" and that was a train wreck.
Smallville worked mainly because it's more or less the Superboy comic book of years ago as a TV show. You couldn't season after season of Dick Grayson with his family. No matter who was behind it.
Yeah. That's what I was thinking. If it was just about his story prior to meeting Batman, I'm not sure how they would have been able to keep that going, week after week. The people developing this show must have finally realized this too.
Now the original idea for Smallville I remember was about a young BRuce Wayne before he became Batman, not that could have went on for ten seasons and had been amazing. Now I'm not sure how the WB would have handled it but in theory stretching out the first hour of Batman Begins really could have went on for years. If it started at the year Bruce decides that he will be the one to avenge his family and bring order to the City of Gotham and deals with the deaths as flashbacks. Let's ay from the years 14 to 25 for the whole series, and have it end with him finally putting on the batsuit and driving out of the bat cave in the batmobile.
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i like hardy, and from the bulked up pics of him, he looks great, however, i dont know ANYTHING about bane, so im going into this shit tabula rasa. as far as anne goes, i really dont like her, but javier ill peep that movie, but yea shallow i think itll be the worst of the 3 but more as a testament to how good the first 2 were.
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When Nolan and Bale leave, I would NOT reboot the franchise, I'd build off it. They did a great job of building a great story of young Bruce Wayne. I'd hire someone to play an older Bruce Wayne, someone who needs a Robin to help him, and someone who in the comics is looking to build a sense of family, even through his own twisted Batman world. Start with Robin in part 4, you can bring back Two-Face, and have Dick Grayson help Batman as an older Batman is not cutting it. Part 5 can start with the Dick Grayson split and turn to Nightwight, move to a different city and forge his own identity. Since you have a new Batman, why not a new Joker and bring in Jason Todd's Robin to be killed by the Joker. This would solidify Joker as Batman's main villain and continue their story. Maybe even get Batgirl in there as Barbara Gordon and have her suffer the fate of getting paralyzed by Joker as well. Part 6 can deal with Tim Drake becoming Robin, and how he helps Batman capture the Joker.
You don't have to do a reboot, just have Batman move eras. If they get the right director and actor for Batman, they should be able to do another trilogy of older Batman. Hell, maybe a 3 trilogy with Bruce Wayne's death and Dick Grayson coming back to claim the cowl. I forgot you need to have Bruce Wayne's love story with Talia al Ghul. So much to do with Batman for another trilogy, Warner Brothers be thinking ahead.
They don't have to do another origin story to do a reboot, but they also don't have to keep the character in the same exact continuity. Let's be serious; even if Nolan and Bale stayed on for 5 more films there would be huge gaps in the continuity eventually. Hugh Jackman played different Wolverines already, even though it's supposedly the same universe and same character.
All I'm saying is if I was a director with a vision for Batman a great story in mind, I could still use a Batman universe based closely on Nolan's but still have my own actor play Bruce in his way and someone else play Joker in his way. I wouldn't get a guy to mimic Heath. The mainstream audience that doesn't get it will still understand the basics of the Batman and the Joker and they already did before Nolan's films (many of fans did anyway).
Would I want another Batman origin story? Maybe, maybe not. I definitely would with Spider-man because I hated it so much, but with Bats they could do plenty of things with a new director that would be fine with me if done right.
The Batman universe is one that so far in the movies is not hard to follow. If this is the end of Bruce Waynes younger years, you can easily set up his older years. Robin does not become part of the Batman story until Batman is older anyways. The next trilogy can focus on the Robins, from Dick Grayson and his eventual rebellion, to Jason Todd and his death, to Tim Drake and his role as the best Robin. In there you'd Batgirl who evenually become paralyzed and photos given to Commissioner Gordon in a way to try to make him insane. It does not have to be a complete reboot, Just reference these movies as the origin, and go from there.
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The Batman universe is one that so far in the movies is not hard to follow. If this is the end of Bruce Waynes younger years, you can easily set up his older years. Robin does not become part of the Batman story until Batman is older anyways. The next trilogy can focus on the Robins, from Dick Grayson and his eventual rebellion, to Jason Todd and his death, to Tim Drake and his role as the best Robin. In there you'd Batgirl who evenually become paralyzed and photos given to Commissioner Gordon in a way to try to make him insane. It does not have to be a complete reboot, Just reference these movies as the origin, and go from there.
My point is that once you go the 3 Robins route or anything like that the entire Nolan tone has to go away. You simply cannot keep his style with the intro of Robin, and Nolan knows that; which is why won't bring Robin in.
So if you have a new Bruce Wayne, a Director, and a new style, whether you like it or not it's a reboot. You can try and say otherwise but it still is. Batman Forever even had Burton on board and you could still argue reboot because of how different it was from the last two. Where X-3 changed directors, but not direction. The new Bat films don't have to make you forget the Nolan films existed but they could be enjoyed and fully appreciated with out ever seeing the Nolan trilogy. Unlike something like Star Wars, where the new trilogy has to be seen after the old trilogy to get what you're seeing. Because no one that has not seen the old films can appreciate just how bad the new films were.
Look at Batman the Animated series; it was entirely it's own entity and based off a lot of Batman entities and never really re-established Batman or set an origin in play, but it was a reboot of the character. It was not someone else's Batman animated on TV. So Nolan's Batman and who ever takes Batman in 5 to 10 years will be very different Batmen, but it is still possible to keep them in the same loose continuity that comics have Batman in. I'll simply know better. What I mean by that is if you try and say something in the new trilogy doesn't make sense because of something in the old trilogy then you're better off trying to find continuity in the 20 seasons of the Simpsons. Because Bart being in the 4th grade for 20 years will make more sense than this Batman and the new Batman being the same Batman.
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The Batman universe is one that so far in the movies is not hard to follow. If this is the end of Bruce Waynes younger years, you can easily set up his older years. Robin does not become part of the Batman story until Batman is older anyways. The next trilogy can focus on the Robins, from Dick Grayson and his eventual rebellion, to Jason Todd and his death, to Tim Drake and his role as the best Robin. In there you'd Batgirl who evenually become paralyzed and photos given to Commissioner Gordon in a way to try to make him insane. It does not have to be a complete reboot, Just reference these movies as the origin, and go from there.
My point is that once you go the 3 Robins route or anything like that the entire Nolan tone has to go away. You simply cannot keep his style with the intro of Robin, and Nolan knows that; which is why won't bring Robin in.
So if you have a new Bruce Wayne, a Director, and a new style, whether you like it or not it's a reboot. You can try and say otherwise but it still is. Batman Forever even had Burton on board and you could still argue reboot because of how different it was from the last two. Where X-3 changed directors, but not direction. The new Bat films don't have to make you forget the Nolan films existed but they could be enjoyed and fully appreciated with out ever seeing the Nolan trilogy. Unlike something like Star Wars, where the new trilogy has to be seen after the old trilogy to get what you're seeing. Because no one that has not seen the old films can appreciate just how bad the new films were.
Look at Batman the Animated series; it was entirely it's own entity and based off a lot of Batman entities and never really re-established Batman or set an origin in play, but it was a reboot of the character. It was not someone else's Batman animated on TV. So Nolan's Batman and who ever takes Batman in 5 to 10 years will be very different Batmen, but it is still possible to keep them in the same loose continuity that comics have Batman in. I'll simply know better. What I mean by that is if you try and say something in the new trilogy doesn't make sense because of something in the old trilogy then you're better off trying to find continuity in the 20 seasons of the Simpsons. Because Bart being in the 4th grade for 20 years will make more sense than this Batman and the new Batman being the same Batman.
I agree with the points you're making here. I guess I just tend to think of reboots as movies that start the continuity over. "Rebooting them," I guess you'd say. But if you're talking about a different director bringing his own vision to a Batman film and not necessarily dealing with any of the events that happened in the Nolan films but not erasing them either, I'm totally fine with that. I just don't have that much interest seeing another Batman origin story, being that it's been covered in several different films now. That's part of my problem with this new Spider-man movie, although maybe if they make this one more like the comic it would be worth it. Regarding Batman though, even with the "Year One" screenplay that Aronofsky and Miller developed, I think at this point I would rather them try to do a movie that tells a different Batman story than the origin.
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I agree with the points you're making here. I guess I just tend to think of reboots as movies that start the continuity over. "Rebooting them," I guess you'd say. But if you're talking about a different director bringing his own vision to a Batman film and not necessarily dealing with any of the events that happened in the Nolan films but not erasing them either, I'm totally fine with that. I just don't have that much interest seeing another Batman origin story, being that it's been covered in several different films now. That's part of my problem with this new Spider-man movie, although maybe if they make this one more like the comic it would be worth it. Regarding Batman though, even with the "Year One" screenplay that Aronofsky and Miller developed, I think at this point I would rather them try to do a movie that tells a different Batman story than the origin.
Like I said before, Raimi's Spiderman was so bad in my eyes that I really want a reboot. It was completely out of touch with teens and that's what Spider-man is in an origin story.
The current Batman origin story will stand up for a couple decades, but as society changes the 2005 film will begin to look very dated to new audiences and kids and teens that want to better relate with Batman will need a new film. And it may be completely different than the current one, depending on how action films look in 2005. Imagine a serious toned action film about Batman was filmed in the 60s, and how it would look to us as kids in the 80s or 90s. The same thing will happen. But no, we don't need it now. And since we've never had a film of a Gotham with a fully establish Batman who has root in the city's crime fighting history I think it is time for it. And yes, these are the best films, the Nolan ones, to build off that history.
But I'd rather have an amazing completely reworked origin film than a second rate trilogy built off this one. Of course there is no reason both couldn't be done. I know Warner doesn't want to over-saturate the Bat. But if the film was different enough from the Nolan films and still amazing I see no reason why it couldn't be made and released. It would have to be a more fantasy based world and shot in a very different way, but then you wouldn't need it to be an origin. If Robert Rodriguez released a film that looked like Sin City in color, albeit dark colors, and had it be something along the lines of No Man's Land, Broken City, Hush, or even Batman being made in public and sent to Arkham and have to escape to stop whatever villain sent him there and figure out a way to convince Gotham he isn't Batman, I'd be okay with all that. If the films were good.
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^ i liked spiderman 1, but couldn't stand 2 (even though everyone liked it, and it was unanimously looked at as the best of the 3) and the 3rd was a joke. i see what you mean, i checked out that spectacular spiderman and thats what you mean when you mean getting in touch with kids, no?
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^ i liked spiderman 1, but couldn't stand 2 (even though everyone liked it, and it was unanimously looked at as the best of the 3) and the 3rd was a joke. i see what you mean, i checked out that spectacular spiderman and thats what you mean when you mean getting in touch with kids, no?
The cartoon? More or less. I wouldn't an exact translation to film, but I want to feel that a teenage Spiderman isn't older than me, and Tobey Maguire is older than me by 7 years. And I wasn't even a teen anymore when the first Spidey came out.
on a side note I just realized that Tobey is a full year older than Peyton Manning and Donovan McNabb, but they seem like old men and Tobey still looks like a young guy. Not sure why I mentioned that. It just feels weird to think about it that way.
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^ oh i forgot to add, what are you thinking of the new production w/ andrew garfield, i dont know anything about it, but i like the kid
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^ i liked spiderman 1, but couldn't stand 2 (even though everyone liked it, and it was unanimously looked at as the best of the 3) and the 3rd was a joke. i see what you mean, i checked out that spectacular spiderman and thats what you mean when you mean getting in touch with kids, no?
The cartoon? More or less. I wouldn't an exact translation to film, but I want to feel that a teenage Spiderman isn't older than me, and Tobey Maguire is older than me by 7 years. And I wasn't even a teen anymore when the first Spidey came out.
on a side note I just realized that Tobey is a full year older than Peyton Manning and Donovan McNabb, but they seem like old men and Tobey still looks like a young guy. Not sure why I mentioned that. It just feels weird to think about it that way.
Andrew Garfield is a good actor, but he's much older than teenage too. He's 27 years old, and from what I understand, this movie is supposed to start with Parker in high school. I don't know...I hope it turns out to be good, but I'm skeptical. I will say though, that I do like the casting of Emma Stone as Gwen Stacy.
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The Batman universe is one that so far in the movies is not hard to follow. If this is the end of Bruce Waynes younger years, you can easily set up his older years. Robin does not become part of the Batman story until Batman is older anyways. The next trilogy can focus on the Robins, from Dick Grayson and his eventual rebellion, to Jason Todd and his death, to Tim Drake and his role as the best Robin. In there you'd Batgirl who evenually become paralyzed and photos given to Commissioner Gordon in a way to try to make him insane. It does not have to be a complete reboot, Just reference these movies as the origin, and go from there.
My point is that once you go the 3 Robins route or anything like that the entire Nolan tone has to go away. You simply cannot keep his style with the intro of Robin, and Nolan knows that; which is why won't bring Robin in.
So if you have a new Bruce Wayne, a Director, and a new style, whether you like it or not it's a reboot. You can try and say otherwise but it still is. Batman Forever even had Burton on board and you could still argue reboot because of how different it was from the last two. Where X-3 changed directors, but not direction. The new Bat films don't have to make you forget the Nolan films existed but they could be enjoyed and fully appreciated with out ever seeing the Nolan trilogy. Unlike something like Star Wars, where the new trilogy has to be seen after the old trilogy to get what you're seeing. Because no one that has not seen the old films can appreciate just how bad the new films were.
Look at Batman the Animated series; it was entirely it's own entity and based off a lot of Batman entities and never really re-established Batman or set an origin in play, but it was a reboot of the character. It was not someone else's Batman animated on TV. So Nolan's Batman and who ever takes Batman in 5 to 10 years will be very different Batmen, but it is still possible to keep them in the same loose continuity that comics have Batman in. I'll simply know better. What I mean by that is if you try and say something in the new trilogy doesn't make sense because of something in the old trilogy then you're better off trying to find continuity in the 20 seasons of the Simpsons. Because Bart being in the 4th grade for 20 years will make more sense than this Batman and the new Batman being the same Batman.
See, my thinking is you do something like the Star Wars two trilogies. As everyone can see, both are made is different eras, have different feels and by all means are different stories, but are connected still. I think the origin that Nolan has created is one of the best stories of Batman, comic, movie or cartoon. I would like to see some continuity in the future, as this series was not made to end in 3 movies. Nolan is telling a story of young Batman, and the comic goes all the way until Bruce Wayne's death and older age. So someone can pick up the next Batman and do a Robin trilogy, and it doesn't have to be in Nolan's world. Batman today is the same continuity as Batman Year One, but it is not the same. Different authors, different focuses, and the past Batman's are only used as reference. At the same time, it would be foolish to ignore the Nolan trilogy, and if the right director handles the next trilogy then Robin can work. An older Batman can't handle being Batman, he needs Robin's help. With Jason Todd being a darker character anyways, and you can focus on Dick Grayson's rebellion and transformation into Knightwing, Robin can work in the Nolan world. But Nolan might not be able to see it, that's why they should hire me... lol.
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^ oh i forgot to add, what are you thinking of the new production w/ andrew garfield, i dont know anything about it, but i like the kid
At least he looks young. And the pic I saw looked great. I'll save any more judgment for the film after I see a trailer.
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Fuck a reboot for the two biggest comic-to-movie adaptations of our generation. Batman Begins and Spiderman were originally so affective because they were using material that was dead and gone to the mainstream movie-goer. The Batman series that began with Burton's Batman had been dead for 8 years and really had no love in the public view. Nolan's Batman and Raimi's Spiderman series are still fresh in everyone's mind, and seen in a very positive light. It doesn't make sense to start them over right now.
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See, my thinking is you do something like the Star Wars two trilogies. As everyone can see, both are made is different eras, have different feels and by all means are different stories, but are connected still. I think the origin that Nolan has created is one of the best stories of Batman, comic, movie or cartoon. I would like to see some continuity in the future, as this series was not made to end in 3 movies. Nolan is telling a story of young Batman, and the comic goes all the way until Bruce Wayne's death and older age. So someone can pick up the next Batman and do a Robin trilogy, and it doesn't have to be in Nolan's world. Batman today is the same continuity as Batman Year One, but it is not the same. Different authors, different focuses, and the past Batman's are only used as reference. At the same time, it would be foolish to ignore the Nolan trilogy, and if the right director handles the next trilogy then Robin can work. An older Batman can't handle being Batman, he needs Robin's help. With Jason Todd being a darker character anyways, and you can focus on Dick Grayson's rebellion and transformation into Knightwing, Robin can work in the Nolan world. But Nolan might not be able to see it, that's why they should hire me... lol.
I have no problem with your idea. A 3 Robins trilogy would be fine, and I guess I see what you mean. You establish character's like Joker, Two Face, and Bane. You establish the characters now and then bring them back in the future trilogy and you could tell a great story.
It starts off with a Robin Begins type story of Bruce finding Dick Grayson. The second film is Dick wanting to break off and Batman turning to a new Robin, Jason Todd who by the end of it ends up killed by the Joker, maybe because of something Nightwing did wrong. In the third film still blaming himself, and Grayson, Batman is more of a recluse, even almost kills the Joker. Off his game Bane gets the better of him and leaves him paralyzed. Dick takes over as Batman and trains Tim Drake against Bruce's wishes.
The hard part would be to find 3 consecutive reasons for a young boy to be taken in as an heir to the cowl. And three films in a row of a kid becoming Robin would be tedious. So I wouldn't have all three focus on it. Grayson story is expressed in full form. Todd's would be more based on just training and then he gets killed before Batman ever deems him street ready. Maybe he goes out on his own after advice from Dick who tells him to take matters into his own hands. And Drake wouldn't show up until the second half of the third film and his training is just beginning as the film ends.
the second two origins of the Robin's would have to differ from the comics though.
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New super rumor:
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Robin Williams is no stranger to Batman movies. He was offered the role of The Joker back in Tim Burton’s Batman, only to have it taken away when Jack Nicholson expressed interest. Then he was offered the role of The Riddler in Joel Schumacher’s Batman Forever, but they ended up giving it to Jim Carrey instead. Since then, Robin Williams has been lobbying to get cast in one of Christopher Nolan’s Batman films — is his wish about to be granted?
RW as Strange? Hmm...January 28, 2011 2:22 pm via Twitter for BlackBerryu00ae
The tweet above from BOF’s Jett peaked my interest this morning. Jett has mentioned Robin Williams before on his BOF message board and Facebook page… could he be onto something? The last time Jett dropped hints about possible The Dark Knight Rises villains was when he kept mentioning Bane on his message board, and we know how that turned out. I’ve also heard that Hugo Strange would be appearing in The Dark Knight Rises, though my source was wrong with his casting. So what do you guys think? Wild speculation, or may Jett be onto something here? I hope Robin Williams gets a role no matter what it is. He’s been very vocal about being a Batman fan, and it’s a shame that he’s been burned so many times in the past. Sound off in the comments and let me know what you think!
Source: http://batman-news.com/2011/01/28/robin-williams-as-hugo-strange-in-the-dark-knight-rises/
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They should make this movie four hours long. Because the general public holds The Dark Knight so much higher then Batman Begins it's unreal lol. Batman Begins was great and most people agree with that, but it's just lucky it came before The Joker's role lol.
Honestly, if Ledger was still alive, I wouldn't be surprised if Nolan used him for like half of the next movie lol.
I'm sure Nolan is going to give us a cinematic masterpiece, but I know personally & as for the general public, the Joker's performance as a villain was so great, these new ones have to bring their A-game & even then I doubt it considering they don't have that evil, twisted personality.
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New super rumor:
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Robin Williams is no stranger to Batman movies. He was offered the role of The Joker back in Tim Burton’s Batman, only to have it taken away when Jack Nicholson expressed interest. Then he was offered the role of The Riddler in Joel Schumacher’s Batman Forever, but they ended up giving it to Jim Carrey instead. Since then, Robin Williams has been lobbying to get cast in one of Christopher Nolan’s Batman films — is his wish about to be granted?
RW as Strange? Hmm...January 28, 2011 2:22 pm via Twitter for BlackBerryu00ae
The tweet above from BOF’s Jett peaked my interest this morning. Jett has mentioned Robin Williams before on his BOF message board and Facebook page… could he be onto something? The last time Jett dropped hints about possible The Dark Knight Rises villains was when he kept mentioning Bane on his message board, and we know how that turned out. I’ve also heard that Hugo Strange would be appearing in The Dark Knight Rises, though my source was wrong with his casting. So what do you guys think? Wild speculation, or may Jett be onto something here? I hope Robin Williams gets a role no matter what it is. He’s been very vocal about being a Batman fan, and it’s a shame that he’s been burned so many times in the past. Sound off in the comments and let me know what you think!
Source: http://batman-news.com/2011/01/28/robin-williams-as-hugo-strange-in-the-dark-knight-rises/
Of course it's impossible to say for sure at this point, but I think there could be something to this. There were a lot of rumors not long ago about "The Dark Knight Rises" using some of the ideas from the "Prey" storyline from the "Legends of the Dark Knight" comics. The main villain in that storyline was Hugo Strange. It also involved the police trying to track down a fugitive Batman, and that's pretty much the situation at the end of "The Dark Knight." The "Prey" storyline also features Catwoman which could be another hint that Hugo Strange and/or the "Prey" storyline may be used (at least in part). Of course that could also just be a coincidence and this could all turn out to be another false rumor.
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They should make this movie four hours long. Because the general public holds The Dark Knight so much higher then Batman Begins it's unreal lol. Batman Begins was great and most people agree with that, but it's just lucky it came before The Joker's role lol.
Honestly, if Ledger was still alive, I wouldn't be surprised if Nolan used him for like half of the next movie lol.
I'm sure Nolan is going to give us a cinematic masterpiece, but I know personally & as for the general public, the Joker's performance as a villain was so great, these new ones have to bring their A-game & even then I doubt it considering they don't have that evil, twisted personality.
I read somewhere that Joker was going to be the Main vilain in the next one.
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^Really? lol. That doesn't surprise me. Bane is some juicehead of a villain. Everyone knows the mentally disturbed, uncaring for human life villains are the best ones lol.
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Nolan was rumored to have Joker in part 2 and 3. Originally though it was said that Two Face wouldn't come until part 3 thanks to the Joker, but I guess those were rumors as the final movie was different.
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If you want to get Christopher Nolan to come to your party, then giving him an award and having your party in Santa Barbara are probably two good strategies to utilize.(http://www.filmschoolrejects.com/images/Christopher-Nolan-and-Christian-Bale-Batman-300x200.jpg)
Sunday night, Nolan showed up at the Santa Barbara International Film Festival to pick up an award for Inception and ended up fielding some questions about the third film in his Batman franchise.
When asked about how he came up with the film’s title, Nolan joked, “I banged my head against the wall.” After pausing for some laughter, he went on to continue, “We’ve worked on it a long time, David Goyer and myself. We’re about 12 weeks away from shooting. We start in May.” When asked why he finally signed on to doing a third film after some much publicized hemming and hawing, he stated simply, “It was about finishing the story.” But when questioned about whether the newly cast Anne Hathaway would actually be playing Catwoman or if she would just be appearing as her civilian alter ego Selina Kyle, Nolan just flashed a smile and refused to comment.
There are four important bits of information that fans of Nolan’s Batman films can take away from these comments. 1) Anne Hathaway may or may not don a cat suit in The Dark Knight Rises. 2) This seems to definitely be Nolan’s final go around with the franchise. 3) Shooting starts in a mere 12 weeks. 4) When Christopher Nolan makes a joke, the room laughs: period.
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If she dosent put on the suit I think thats wack...
I have a feeling for some reason the third one will be bad kinda like the Godfather 3 was bad.
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What's the point of Selina Kyle if she's not a cat-burglar? You may as well use another woman as the love interest. She'll be Cat-Woman in the film, I guarantee it. It's an easy write isn't? She steals from Wayne Tech, gets caught by the police with the help of Batman and the charming Bruce Wayne refuses to press charges if she agrees to have dinner with him. And take it from there.
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Maybe its just me, but some chick randomly running around dressed as a cat in Nolan's Batman universe is what would be wack. There will have to be a reason and a good backstory built up like for Batman in Batman Begins.
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Maybe its just me, but some chick randomly running around dressed as a cat in Nolan's Batman universe is what would be wack. There will have to be a reason and a good backstory built up like for Batman in Batman Begins.
It would only have to be a modified cat burglar outfit and there are real cat burglars in the world. She's one of the easiest translatable villains in the Bat world.
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Not that I'm suggesting that it needs to be done this way, but I just recently finished reading the first 19 issues of Batman and the first 80 plus issues of Detective Comics (reprinted in "The Batman Chronicles" Trade Paperbacks). Anyway, in Catwoman's first appearance (Batman #1) and I believe her second appearance as well, Catwoman never appears in costume. Also, in her first couple appearances, they refer to her as The Cat instead of Catwoman.
At any rate, I would think that Nolan would choose to go with a costumed Catwoman, although, she may not be as "Catwoman-y" as the Catwoman in "Batman Returns" or the Catwoman in the god-awful "Catwoman" movie. On the other hand, I suppose it's possible that he may not introduce her as Catwoman yet, but end the film in a way that suggests she will become Catwoman. It's really difficult to say what his plans are.
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Wally Pfister Speaks About The Dark Knight Rises
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Cinematographer extraordinaire Wally Pfister gave an exciting and tantalizing phone interview to the Kevin and Josh Movie Show last friday that touched on subjects like Inception, The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises. Wally is a friend of the show’s and loves to talk film with the hosts, who are huge Christopher Nolan fans — to the point where I am surprised they didn’t found this site themselves. They do their best to pick Wally’s brain for information and insight. Thankfully Wally is a really cool dude and talks about everything he can talk about without getting himself fired. I’ll do my best to sum up what I though was the most fascinating or exciting, but I’ll also include a link to the audio file of the show below so you can hear it all for yourself.
After discussing Inception and the disappointment with some of its Oscar nominations, or lack of rather, the hosts praise Chris and Wally’s use of practical effects and stunts in their action sequences. They then ask Wally how Nolan can top The Dark Knight? “I asked the same question,” Wally responded. “I read the script 2 weeks ago, and he’s done it. Plain and simple — he’s done it. It’s a phenomenal script. He’s still in the process of cutting it back because it’s a very long script right now, but it’s really phenomenal. And he actually had me go back and wanted me to watch, in IMAX, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight again. When I watched those I had read the script for The Dark Knight Rises and was like, ‘dude, it is a perfect trilogy.’ I think that was his intent, to work off those two pictures — and they are very different pictures. And it’s funny, we all had different opinions about which picture we like better.”
They went on to talk about various rumors and location scouting. Wally mentions Nolan and production designer Nathan Crowley were in New York and all over the world looking for locations. Kevin and Josh also bring up the screen tests for The Dark Knight Rises, which Wally mentions he shot himself. This excites the hosts a bit and they inquire about Ann Hathaway’s screen test, to which Wally replies, “She’s so good. She did an incredible job. She is a great, great actress.” He then says something very vague and possibly controversial: “And she looked phenomenal in the wardrobe.” Of course this could mean anything, but Wally did assert that he could say no more without getting in trouble, which in it of itself is sort of an answer to what it actually means. Or so it would seem.
Returning once again to the “How can you top it?” question, the hosts talk about shooting action and shooting for IMAX. Wally answers by saying, “We’re going to try, man. Our goal is to shoot as much in IMAX as we can. We’re going to put in on the screen, and put it on the screen big. And I really encourage everyone to see it in IMAX if they can because we’re really going for it this time. In terms of the action, we are all scratching our heads right now trying to figure out how we’re going to do it; how we’re going to do it in the amount of time we’re going to do it in. The opening scene of the movie will blow your mind.”
So there you have it. Prepare for mind explosion, people. I can quote no more without making Wally’s cool demeanor and responses sound lame. You can hear the audio from the radio show here: http://www.bdkreviews.com/podcasts/2011-01-28%20-%20Kevin%20and%20Josh%20Movie%20Show%20-%20Hour%202.mp3
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Wally Pfister Speaks About The Dark Knight Rises
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After discussing Inception and the disappointment with some of its Oscar nominations, or lack of rather, the hosts praise Chris and Wally’s use of practical effects and stunts in their action sequences. They then ask Wally how Nolan can top The Dark Knight? “I asked the same question,” Wally responded. “I read the script 2 weeks ago, and he’s done it. Plain and simple — he’s done it. It’s a phenomenal script. He’s still in the process of cutting it back because it’s a very long script right now, but it’s really phenomenal. And he actually had me go back and wanted me to watch, in IMAX, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight again. When I watched those I had read the script for The Dark Knight Rises and was like, ‘dude, it is a perfect trilogy.’ I think that was his intent, to work off those two pictures — and they are very different pictures. And it’s funny, we all had different opinions about which picture we like better.”
Props for posting this. After reading this particular part, I'm actually excited to hear more, as details begin to come out. Granted, someone from the actual production is probably only going to have good things to say to the press anyway. Still, it's encouraging to hear things that make you think that they put an adequate amount of thought into the follow-up to a movie that was as big as "The Dark Knight."
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Yeah man now I've read this, I really can't wait for the third one! :o Especially the part about the mindblowing openingsscene gives me goosebumps! BRING IT ON!!! ;D Hopefully they will shoot the whole movie in IMAX! :o
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Personally I think The Dark Knight gets overrated. Don't get me wrong, its an amazing movie, but to me its not significantly better than Batman Begins. They've already made two great Batman pictures, there's no reason to believe they can't do it a third time.
Also I think the fact that Heath Ledger's performance overshadows the main star is a bad look for the movie as a whole.
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Personally I think The Dark Knight gets overrated. Don't get me wrong, its an amazing movie, but to me its not significantly better than Batman Begins. They've already made two great Batman pictures, there's no reason to believe they can't do it a third time.
Also I think the fact that Heath Ledger's performance overshadows the main star is a bad look for the movie as a whole.
Doesn't the Joker always overshadow Batman? The character is kind of built that way.
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Joseph Gordon-Levitt In Talks For The Dark Knight Rises
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Deadline is reporting that Joseph Gordon-Levitt is in talks to re-team with director Christopher Nolan for The Dark Knight Rises. It is currently unclear what role he could be playing in the film. Could there be a third villain? Is there room for a non-villain character that deserves the casting of JGL? Nolan has already brought aboard JGL’s Inception co-star Tom Hardy for the role of Bane, and Anne Hathaway has got the Selina Kyle/Catwoman thing down. Perhaps the Hugo Strange rumors were true? There was that Robin Williams as Strange rumor that popped up a few days ago after all. What do you think?
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Joseph Gordon-Levitt In Talks For The Dark Knight Rises
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Deadline is reporting that Joseph Gordon-Levitt is in talks to re-team with director Christopher Nolan for The Dark Knight Rises. It is currently unclear what role he could be playing in the film. Could there be a third villain? Is there room for a non-villain character that deserves the casting of JGL? Nolan has already brought aboard JGL’s Inception co-star Tom Hardy for the role of Bane, and Anne Hathaway has got the Selina Kyle/Catwoman thing down. Perhaps the Hugo Strange rumors were true? There was that Robin Williams as Strange rumor that popped up a few days ago after all. What do you think?
Well, they would need a new DA with Dent gone, or a young genius federal agent sent in to track the Batman. There are plenty of roles for a non-villain. They may not be all that large in part, but he may just take the pay cut to do a small role so he can say he was in the trilogy. Like Billy Dee Williams did for Star Wars. (that was supposed to be a joke. I just wanted to mention Lando, who was screwed from playing two-face.)
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Joseph Gordon-Levitt In Talks For The Dark Knight Rises
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Deadline is reporting that Joseph Gordon-Levitt is in talks to re-team with director Christopher Nolan for The Dark Knight Rises. It is currently unclear what role he could be playing in the film. Could there be a third villain? Is there room for a non-villain character that deserves the casting of JGL? Nolan has already brought aboard JGL’s Inception co-star Tom Hardy for the role of Bane, and Anne Hathaway has got the Selina Kyle/Catwoman thing down. Perhaps the Hugo Strange rumors were true? There was that Robin Williams as Strange rumor that popped up a few days ago after all. What do you think?
Well, they would need a new DA with Dent gone, or a young genius federal agent sent in to track the Batman. There are plenty of roles for a non-villain. They may not be all that large in part, but he may just take the pay cut to do a small role so he can say he was in the trilogy. Like Billy Dee Williams did for Star Wars. (that was supposed to be a joke. I just wanted to mention Lando, who was screwed from playing two-face.)
Yeah. If they're really going to use Hugo Strange, I'd prefer Robin Williams, just because he looks more like Hugo Strange. Joseph Gordon-Levitt is a good actor though, and there are probably any number of roles in the movie that he could play that I'm sure he would be good as.
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He looks so much like Heath, they should just train him to be The Joker lol.
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New rumor:
It seems that Christopher Nolan wants to get a jump start on aerial shots for The Dark Knight Rises. A source close to BOF had this to say:
"They are doing a plate shot in a helicopter over New York City this week. Apparently, Chris Nolan wants to get the city with snow on the ground."
I live about two hours outside New York, and can assure you, there’s plenty of snow on the ground. This isn’t huge news, but it’s definitely exciting. If you’re in New York City this week and see the “Batcopter” be sure to look up and wave to Mr. Nolan!
Source: batman-on-film.com
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New rumor:
It seems that Christopher Nolan wants to get a jump start on aerial shots for The Dark Knight Rises. A source close to BOF had this to say:
"They are doing a plate shot in a helicopter over New York City this week. Apparently, Chris Nolan wants to get the city with snow on the ground."
I live about two hours outside New York, and can assure you, there’s plenty of snow on the ground. This isn’t huge news, but it’s definitely exciting. If you’re in New York City this week and see the “Batcopter” be sure to look up and wave to Mr. Nolan!
Source: batman-on-film.com
Not sure if this is true or not, but I read a rumor that they're not shooting in Chicago at all this time. That would be strange if true, because much of the original two movies were shot in Chicago.
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The Dark Knight Rises as Magnus Rex
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Although official production isn’t set to begin until May, word comes to us from Production Weekly that The Dark Knight Rises will be going under the working titles Magnus Rex and Fox Hills Green. Many of you will remember that Inception went under the working title Oliver’s Arrow; Oliver being the name of one of Christopher’s sons. And I’m sure I don’t have to remind many that The Dark Knight‘s working title was Rory’s First Kiss; Rory also being the name of another of Nolan’s sons. It shouldn’t surprise you to learn that the name Magnus in Magnus Rex is derived from yet another one of the Nolan boys. Magnus Nolan is most notably known for his adorable role as the young James Cobb in Inception.
So why would a movie filming in May have a fake production title out already? And seemingly two of them? Well that could be due to the fact that The Dark Knight Rises is supposedly shooting plates this week in New York City. We know that Wally Pfister met with Christopher Nolan and production designer Nathan Crowley in NYC the other week scouting for locations. According to a source close to Batman-On-Film they are filming “a plate shot in a helicopter over New York City this week. Apparently, Chris Nolan wants to get the city with snow on the ground.” My guess would be that Fox Hills Green is being used for this NYC bit, with Magnus Rex likely being the working title that sticks around for the remainder of the production starting in May.
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Personally I think The Dark Knight gets overrated. Don't get me wrong, its an amazing movie, but to me its not significantly better than Batman Begins. They've already made two great Batman pictures, there's no reason to believe they can't do it a third time.
Also I think the fact that Heath Ledger's performance overshadows the main star is a bad look for the movie as a whole.
Doesn't the Joker always overshadow Batman? The character is kind of built that way.
yes he does.
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Found this interesting news/rumor about casting in "The Dark Knight Rises," tonight on the Aint It Cool News website.
Check it out here:
**Link Removed as per Rapture's request**
Definitely interesting if true.
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Post the article instead of a link
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Post the article instead of a link
Why?
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Post the article instead of a link
Why?
So as not to waste our time. Why should we click some random link you post up with no fucking clue what its about? Not to mention I think its mentioned in the rules somewhere.
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New rumor:
Marion Cotillard Cast in The Dark Knight Rises?
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The Dark Knight Rises is shaping up to be something of an Inception reunion. With Tom Hardy as Bane and Joseph Gordon-Levitt in talks for a role, one of France’s largest newspapers, Le Figaro, is now reporting that Marion Cotillard will be joining the cast as the second female lead. Cotillard’s recent pregnancy seemingly put her out of contention, but a rough Google translation of the article (courtesy of Batman News) explains that The Dark Knight Rises will be her only project this year:
Marion Cotillard in “Batman 3″? The actress, who is expecting a child in the spring with Guillaume Canet, will be scarce this year. She’ll do a single film and her choice fell on Batman 3. This blockbuster produced by Warner Bros.. enables her to work with the director Christopher Nolan, with whom she had turned very successful sci-fi Inception. Marion Cotillard will join the filming this summer in Los Angeles. She will share the bill with Anne Hathaway.
- Le Figaro
Nolan has been searching for two female leads for his Batman finale to play a love interest and a villain. Cotillard will presumably play the love interest if we are to assume that Hathaway’s Selina Kyle/Catwoman will be the villain. But what if Selina Kyle is the love interest? Could Cotillard be Talia al Ghul? Share your thoughts in the comments.
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She was so ill in "Inception".
I hope this is true. 8)
I see Nolan is going for a stacked ass cast as a formidable replacement for Heath. :P
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Post the article instead of a link
Why?
So as not to waste our time. Why should we click some random link you post up with no fucking clue what its about? Not to mention I think its mentioned in the rules somewhere.
Didn't see it in the rules, but I removed the link for you. Deko posted the article if you'd like to read it without double clicking a button. Sorry for the inconvenience.
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First Set Photo From The Dark Knight Rises?
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A photo popped up on the JoBlo forums today of what appears to be the set for Arkham Asylum in The Dark Knight Rises. The poster says, “my good mate who is working on set at Cardington where it’s being shot sent me this.” Not quite sure how legit this is, but we’re figured it’s worth a share. Perhaps it’s just a left over set from Batman Begins? Look below to see the full image.
UPDATE: We’ve gotten pretty solid confirmation that this is the same Arkham set that they used for Begins. We suspected this. I guess the only question left is: Was the person who took this hinting that it would be reused for Rises?
FULL PHOTO:
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Okay. Well, it's deleted now. Again, sorry. Won't happen again. Was just trying to share something I thought was interesting. Didn't realize I was breaking a rule.
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Okay. Well, it's deleted now. Again, sorry. Won't happen again. Was just trying to share something I thought was interesting. Didn't realize I was breaking a rule.
Rapture, stop fucking around with my man JohnnyL! He's a cool dude! Please stay on topic, ok?
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New rumor:
Marion Cotillard Cast in The Dark Knight Rises?
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The Dark Knight Rises is shaping up to be something of an Inception reunion. With Tom Hardy as Bane and Joseph Gordon-Levitt in talks for a role, one of France’s largest newspapers, Le Figaro, is now reporting that Marion Cotillard will be joining the cast as the second female lead. Cotillard’s recent pregnancy seemingly put her out of contention, but a rough Google translation of the article (courtesy of Batman News) explains that The Dark Knight Rises will be her only project this year:
Marion Cotillard in “Batman 3″? The actress, who is expecting a child in the spring with Guillaume Canet, will be scarce this year. She’ll do a single film and her choice fell on Batman 3. This blockbuster produced by Warner Bros.. enables her to work with the director Christopher Nolan, with whom she had turned very successful sci-fi Inception. Marion Cotillard will join the filming this summer in Los Angeles. She will share the bill with Anne Hathaway.
- Le Figaro
Nolan has been searching for two female leads for his Batman finale to play a love interest and a villain. Cotillard will presumably play the love interest if we are to assume that Hathaway’s Selina Kyle/Catwoman will be the villain. But what if Selina Kyle is the love interest? Could Cotillard be Talia al Ghul? Share your thoughts in the comments.
Marion Cotillard is a good choice for Talia Al Ghul imo, if that's in fact, who's she's cast as. I think I remember hearing rumors earlier in the year about her perhaps being cast in Nolan's next Batman film. At the time, people were probably just guessing she might be in it, since she was in "Inception." At any rate, I really like how the casting is shaping up for this third film.
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Hans Zimmer says The Dark Knight Rises score will be “extraordinarily epic”
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As Christopher Nolan and Hans Zimmer have collaborated together on Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and Inception they are familiar with how each other works, which is why it was possible for Zimmer to start getting ideas for The Dark Knight Rises together back in October.
In a recent interview Zimmer spoke about his work on the score, and says it will be “extraordinarily epic” and “iconic”.
From MTV:
Asked how many notes of “The Dark Knight Rises” score he has down now, Zimmer laughed, “Ugh. No, no, no, no.” [Translation: I don't want to talk about that!]
“The one thing I can tell you is that it’s going to be a lot more epic. Extraordinarily epic.”
But what does that mean, Hans?!?
“I don’t know, it’s like, ‘What’s epic these days?’ I think there’s something in the core of the story that allows you to get the music much bigger and much more sort of, iconic,” he ventured.
I will gladly accept an “epic” and “iconic” Batman score from Hans Zimmer. On the previous films Zimmer has always collaborated with James Newton Howard (who is currently working on music for Green Lantern), so that pairing will probably happen again. The music for Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and Inception is amazing, so i’ll be looking forward to hearing the score for The Dark Knight Returns. :o :o :o
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The one for The Dark Knight was amazing, then the one for Inception was almost better. This could be incredible. 8)
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The Dark Knight Rises: Tom Hardy on Bane
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When Christopher Nolan puts Bane in The Dark Knight Rises, don’t go expecting parallels with Batman & Robin, says Tom Hardy…
It was something of a surprise, given all of the Internet speculation, that many of us didn't see the inclusion of Bane in The Dark Knight Rises coming. In fact, for many, their memory of the character is solely centred around Joel Schumacher's clumsy interpretation of Bane in the best-forgotten Batman & Robin.
It's Tom Hardy playing Bane in Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises, meanwhile, and he appeared on Alan Carr's chat show, where he nattered a little bit about the role. And as it turns out, Hardy is more than familiar with the last time Bane appeared on the big screen, too.
"Have you seen Joel Schumacher's Batman & Robin? Doesn't look very menacing does he?" he told Carr. "Christopher Nolan will revisit the character, so I wouldn't go by that at all. I'm going to need to bulk up a lot for it. That's a lot of weight to put on and I've got to start shooting in May. I've got to go up to about 13 or 14 stone. I'm 12 and a bit now, so I only have a few months to do that."
As for whether he'll be wearing the gimp-style mask that the character has been associated with, Hardy simply retorted, "Only if I feel like it."
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Shoot Locale Update: It Begins in India & Pittsburgh is "For Sure?"
I talked to our 'ol friend "A.P." today and he is adamant that TDKR will begin production by shooting in India. A.P. told us about the India shoot back on February 11th (see story below), but recent scuttlebutt said filming would start in L.A. Since A.P. has been right 100% of the time, I believe him. India? I wonder what the hell Team Nolan will be filming there? Does the locale have anything to do with Bane in prison? Catwoman? Talia? Crazy Quilt?
Also, even though it's been all doom and gloom of late about the possible shoot in Pittsburgh, A.P. says that's not the case. Filming in Pittsburgh is "for sure," says A.P. "Team Nolan is concerned about the tax breaks." Good news for the Steel City.
And on a completely unrelated and BS note, word has it that Tomball, TX has entered the mix as a TDKR shooting location. Now that would be cool...and convenient.
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Get ready world… Batman is ready to rise again.
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Access Hollywood caught up with Sir Michael Caine at the 2011 Toy Fair in NYC, where he said that it wouldn’t be much longer before he re-teams with director Christopher Nolan, as well as his “Inception” co-star Tom Hardy, on the set of “The Dark Knight Rises.”
“‘The Dark Knight Rises’ starts at the end of May,” Caine said. “But he hasn’t finished his script yet,” Caine revealed about director Nolan’s creative process. “I talked to him last week… he’s still working on the script.”
“It’ll be the last one, but we’re like a family, all of us. Not just ‘Batman,’ but we’ve done ‘The Prestige’ and ‘Inception,’ " he said regarding Nolan’s penchant for working with the same circle of actors in his mind-bending films.
“We’re all in everything all the time with Chris. So, we are all one family and we love to see each other,” said the two-time Academy Award winning actor who plays Bruce Wayne’s butler, Alfred.
Caine was in NYC at the 2011 Toy Fair to talk up his upcoming role in “Cars 2,” and expressed nothing but praise for Tom Hardy, who will take on the Caped Crusader as the villain Bane in the film.
“Tom Hardy is one of my favorite British actors. I saw him maybe four years ago in a show on British television, and I was stunned at this guy,” he admitted.
“This is the toughest guy in British movies. He’s obviously playing a tough character because he is,” he said.
Hardy recently appeared on the British TV show “Alan Carr: Chatty Man” and addressed the concern of whether or not this new version of Bane would wear a leather mask, as seen in 1997’s campy “Batman & Robin” starring George Clooney as Batman.
“Only if I feel like it,” he laughed. “Christopher Nolan will revisit that territory entirely. I wouldn’t go by that at all,” he assured fans of the more serious take on the character. Hardy also expects to add an additional 30 pounds of muscle to his 170-pound frame for the role.
Depending on which online rumor bin you keep tabs on, Robin Williams once again recently saw his name pop up for a villain role in “The Dark Knight Rises.” This time for Hugo Strange, a character that has yet to be confirmed for the film.
Could Robin be re-teaming with Christopher Nolan (whom he previously worked with on “Insomnia,” co-staring Al Pacino and Hilary Swank)?
“I love working with him. I’d do anything with him. I don’t know,” Williams recently told Access in an interview for his new Broadway show, “Bengal Tiger at the Baghdad Zoo.”
Williams has been circling the casting carousel to play a big screen Batman villain for decades now.
“They offered years ago, then they gave it to Jack Nicholson. Then they offered it to me again, and they gave it to Jim Carrey,” referring to The Joker in 1989’s “Batman” and The Riddler in 1995’s “Batman Forever.”
“It’s a bit like ‘Yeah right!!’ Are you gonna offer me a part? Yeah right,” he joked.
Williams is currently prepping for his March 31 Broadway debut and tells Access he would still welcome to opportunity to work with Nolan again.
“I’d love to with Chris. He’s the best,” he concluded.
“The Dark Knight Rises” is set for a July 20, 2012 release.
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Shoot Locale Update: It Begins in India & Pittsburgh is "For Sure?"
I talked to our 'ol friend "A.P." today and he is adamant that TDKR will begin production by shooting in India. A.P. told us about the India shoot back on February 11th (see story below), but recent scuttlebutt said filming would start in L.A. Since A.P. has been right 100% of the time, I believe him. India? I wonder what the hell Team Nolan will be filming there? Does the locale have anything to do with Bane in prison? Catwoman? Talia? Crazy Quilt?
Also, even though it's been all doom and gloom of late about the possible shoot in Pittsburgh, A.P. says that's not the case. Filming in Pittsburgh is "for sure," says A.P. "Team Nolan is concerned about the tax breaks." Good news for the Steel City.
And on a completely unrelated and BS note, word has it that Tomball, TX has entered the mix as a TDKR shooting location. Now that would be cool...and convenient.
From batman-on-film.com
Crazy Quilt? I hadn't heard anything about that. I hope whoever wrote the article was just being funny. lol I don't think I even remember seeing that character since the early '80s.
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Eckhart: 'Hathaway will shine in Batman'
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Aaron Eckhart has praised actress Anne Hathaway, and insisted that she will be brilliant in Chistopher Nolan's upcoming Batman film The Dark Knight Rises.
The actor, who played hero-turned-villain Harvey Dent AKA Two-face in The Dark Knight in 2008, said that Hathaway will be perfect as the femme fatale Catwoman.
"I think Anne Hathaway is going to be wonderful," Eckhart told MTV News.
The actor also claimed that he didn't mind not being asked to return for Nolan's third Batman film, insisting that it had always been planned as a one-film appearance.
"I never intended to come back," Eckhart claimed. "That's Heath [Ledger]'s movie. It should live solo, and Chris is gonna go on."
The actor admitted that he had spoken with Nolan about the upcoming Batman film, but refused to divulge any of the plot details.
The Dark Knight Rises is due to be released on July 20, 2012.
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Christopher Nolan and Team Spotted in Pittsburgh
This photo was taken by a fan earlier today on Smithfield Street in Pittsburgh.
It appears they're huddled around a map.
Scouting locations? ;)
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The Dark Knight Rises Gets Stamp of Approval From Gary Oldman
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Share Evidence continues to mount suggesting the script for Christopher Nolan's The Dark Knight Rises not only meets The Dark Knight but manages to exceed it.
The latest person inside the production to offer their stamp of approval is Gary Oldman aka newly promoted Commissioner Gordon. In speaking with Collider, Oldman called the story as told to him recently by Nolan "fantastic" and said he thinks it may have topped The Dark Knight.
These comments come after Nolan's director of photography Wally Pfister praised the film saying it was the perfect bookend to the series and has an opening that will blow our minds. That's saying a lot after how The Dark Knight opened.
At this stage before filming has commenced, these comments are only fueling the hype that is already out of control. The bar has been set high and Nolan and co. have a lot of work to do if they plan on reaching it.
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This better be the best movie ever lol.
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Everyone Is Asking Gary Oldman About The Dark Knight Rises
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Gary Oldman has been doing the press rounds for his upcoming film Red Riding Hood recently, and in basically every single interview of his the last question is about The Dark Knight Rises. Not that I am complaining or anything. I bet it gets tiring for Mr. Oldman though. A single answer isn’t exactly news worthy, but when you take all of them and read them one after another… well it’s still not newsworthy, but it surely is interesting. Let’s start with the interview Oldman gave to MTV:
“I haven’t seen the script yet. I know the story and it’s a great story. You look at The Dark Knight and you go, ‘How’s he going to top it?’ But I think he has. The scope of it and also the way he brings it back to Batman Begins, and really what Bruce Wayne discovers about himself, what he learns about himself at the end of this one [will top off the trilogy].” - Gary Oldman
Bringing the trilogy full circle? Topping the previous films? Those sounds like goals director Christopher Nolan would be aiming for. We know that there’s a lot of potential to do that with the two villains (Bane and Catwoman) that we know about. However, according to an interview with E!Online, there might be more.
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“I haven’t seen the script yet. I know the story and it’s a great story. You look at The Dark Knight and you go, ‘How’s he going to top it?’ But I think he has. The scope of it and also the way he brings it back to Batman Begins, and really what Bruce Wayne discovers about himself, what he learns about himself at the end of this one [will top off the trilogy].” - Gary Oldman
Bringing the trilogy full circle? Topping the previous films? Those sounds like goals director Christopher Nolan would be aiming for. We know that there’s a lot of potential to do that with the two villains (Bane and Catwoman) that we know about. However, according to an interview with E!Online, there might be more.
All that being said, is there any chance anyone attached to this film is going to say something like "well it's definitely not as good as Dark Knight and not quite as good as Begins, but it's not bad for a third film. It's definitely not going to be our Blade 3."?
They have to say this type of stuff during the lead up to the film's hype and release. I'd like to hear what Michael Caine was quoted saying during the pre-release hype of Jaws Revenge. I'll bet it was nothing like what he says about the film these days.
I'm still holding out hope, but no way am I going in expected Nolan to top the last two or change the way I see Batman.
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“I haven’t seen the script yet. I know the story and it’s a great story. You look at The Dark Knight and you go, ‘How’s he going to top it?’ But I think he has. The scope of it and also the way he brings it back to Batman Begins, and really what Bruce Wayne discovers about himself, what he learns about himself at the end of this one [will top off the trilogy].” - Gary Oldman
Bringing the trilogy full circle? Topping the previous films? Those sounds like goals director Christopher Nolan would be aiming for. We know that there’s a lot of potential to do that with the two villains (Bane and Catwoman) that we know about. However, according to an interview with E!Online, there might be more.
All that being said, is there any chance anyone attached to this film is going to say something like "well it's definitely not as good as Dark Knight and not quite as good as Begins, but it's not bad for a third film. It's definitely not going to be our Blade 3."?
They have to say this type of stuff during the lead up to the film's hype and release. I'd like to hear what Michael Caine was quoted saying during the pre-release hype of Jaws Revenge. I'll bet it was nothing like what he says about the film these days.
I'm still holding out hope, but no way am I going in expected Nolan to top the last two or change the way I see Batman.
I'm skeptical that it could top "The Dark Knight." Still holding out hope though that it will top "Batman Begins." And yeah, no one associated with the movie is going to say anything negative. At least if they know what's good for them. lol Still, I always find it interesting to hear what everyone involved has to say.
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“I haven’t seen the script yet. I know the story and it’s a great story. You look at The Dark Knight and you go, ‘How’s he going to top it?’ But I think he has. The scope of it and also the way he brings it back to Batman Begins, and really what Bruce Wayne discovers about himself, what he learns about himself at the end of this one [will top off the trilogy].” - Gary Oldman
Bringing the trilogy full circle? Topping the previous films? Those sounds like goals director Christopher Nolan would be aiming for. We know that there’s a lot of potential to do that with the two villains (Bane and Catwoman) that we know about. However, according to an interview with E!Online, there might be more.
All that being said, is there any chance anyone attached to this film is going to say something like "well it's definitely not as good as Dark Knight and not quite as good as Begins, but it's not bad for a third film. It's definitely not going to be our Blade 3."?
They have to say this type of stuff during the lead up to the film's hype and release. I'd like to hear what Michael Caine was quoted saying during the pre-release hype of Jaws Revenge. I'll bet it was nothing like what he says about the film these days.
I'm still holding out hope, but no way am I going in expected Nolan to top the last two or change the way I see Batman.
I'm skeptical that it could top "The Dark Knight." Still holding out hope though that it will top "Batman Begins." And yeah, no one associated with the movie is going to say anything negative. At least if they know what's good for them. lol Still, I always find it interesting to hear what everyone involved has to say.
I'm convinced that it will top The Dark Knight. It will be difficult to pull off but IN NOLAN WE TRUST! ;) I'm sure they're going all out with this one (they have to, don't they?), it's gonna be great!!! ;D
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“I haven’t seen the script yet. I know the story and it’s a great story. You look at The Dark Knight and you go, ‘How’s he going to top it?’ But I think he has. The scope of it and also the way he brings it back to Batman Begins, and really what Bruce Wayne discovers about himself, what he learns about himself at the end of this one [will top off the trilogy].” - Gary Oldman
Bringing the trilogy full circle? Topping the previous films? Those sounds like goals director Christopher Nolan would be aiming for. We know that there’s a lot of potential to do that with the two villains (Bane and Catwoman) that we know about. However, according to an interview with E!Online, there might be more.
All that being said, is there any chance anyone attached to this film is going to say something like "well it's definitely not as good as Dark Knight and not quite as good as Begins, but it's not bad for a third film. It's definitely not going to be our Blade 3."?
They have to say this type of stuff during the lead up to the film's hype and release. I'd like to hear what Michael Caine was quoted saying during the pre-release hype of Jaws Revenge. I'll bet it was nothing like what he says about the film these days.
I'm still holding out hope, but no way am I going in expected Nolan to top the last two or change the way I see Batman.
I'm skeptical that it could top "The Dark Knight." Still holding out hope though that it will top "Batman Begins." And yeah, no one associated with the movie is going to say anything negative. At least if they know what's good for them. lol Still, I always find it interesting to hear what everyone involved has to say.
I'm convinced that it will top The Dark Knight. It will be difficult to pull off but IN NOLAN WE TRUST! ;) I'm sure they're going all out with this one (they have to, don't they?), it's gonna be great!!! ;D
I hope so. Would be great if it did. "The Dark Knight" raised the bar pretty high but I think if anyone can do it, Nolan can.
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^posting an In Nolan We Trust picture is somehow contributing to a topic but you lock my serious thread asking infinite why he believes slaves had it better off than free whites?
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^posting an In Nolan We Trust picture is somehow contributing to a topic but you lock my serious thread asking infinite why he believes slaves had it better off than free whites?
yes... yes.. my pic is better than your unfounded thread that everyone basically ignored, including other Infinite haters and everyone just talked about how dumb the thread is. So yes
my pic>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>you thread.
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It was 2 pages long, with a decent discussion going. Meanwhile you post retarded pics in a Batman thread. Fail on your part. Unlock it, herb.
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Haha cool pic!!! ;D We sure do!!!
^posting an In Nolan We Trust picture is somehow contributing to a topic but you lock my serious thread asking infinite why he believes slaves had it better off than free whites?
:sign_offtopic: :sign_banhim:
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Haha cool pic!!! ;D We sure do!!!
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Joseph Gordon-Levitt joins The Dark Knight Rises
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Variety reports that Joseph Gordon-Levitt has accepted a role in the upcoming Batman film The Dark Knight Rises, although there is no word yet as to which role he may play. Gordon-Levitt recently worked with Dark Knight director Christopher Nolan in the award-winning film Inception.
Speculation on Gordon-Levitt's possible role (along with every other aspect of The Dark Knight Rises) has been widespread and heated. Some hope that he will play the Riddler, perhaps (though Christopher Nolan has ruled out the character), or Deadshot. Others are pushing for a continuation of the Gotham crime-family Falcone storyline that was touched upon in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight, with Gordon-Levitt possibly cast as Alberto Falcone, the son of Eric Roberts' Carmine Falcone. Prevailing opinion is that Gordon-Levitt is coming aboard as a villain; although some have stated that he has the right look for a possible Robin <--- villain could be possible, Robin is bullshit.
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Joseph Gordon-Levitt To Play Alberto Falcone
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Jeff Sneider over at Variety broke a story Friday evening claiming Joseph Gordon-Levitt had finally been locked to star in The Dark Knight Rises. This was an unofficial confirmation of an article from February by Deadline saying the young actor had been in talks for a mystery role. Now Variety has revealed that (after weeks of quiet negations) Joseph Gordon-Levitt will play Alberto Falcone. Jeff says this comes from ‘inside sources’ and that he ran this by Warner Bros. before breaking the story, so make what you will of what that means. Speculation had run amok on the internet for weeks about who actor would play, and some people seemingly guessed right. Falcone is the son of Mafia boss Carmine Falcone, who was wonderfully portrayed by Tom Wilkinson in Batman Begins. He is also known as The Holiday Killer, a villain with a complex story in the comics.
Joseph Gordon-Levitt will join fellow Inception cast mates Tom Hardy and Michael Caine, along with Christian Bale, Anne Hathaway, Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman, and others for The Dark Knight Rises in theaters on July 20, 2012.
Cool! :)
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Fucking ill cast. :o 8)
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Joseph Gordon-Levitt To Play Alberto Falcone
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Jeff Sneider over at Variety broke a story Friday evening claiming Joseph Gordon-Levitt had finally been locked to star in The Dark Knight Rises. This was an unofficial confirmation of an article from February by Deadline saying the young actor had been in talks for a mystery role. Now Variety has revealed that (after weeks of quiet negations) Joseph Gordon-Levitt will play Alberto Falcone. Jeff says this comes from ‘inside sources’ and that he ran this by Warner Bros. before breaking the story, so make what you will of what that means. Speculation had run amok on the internet for weeks about who actor would play, and some people seemingly guessed right. Falcone is the son of Mafia boss Carmine Falcone, who was wonderfully portrayed by Tom Wilkinson in Batman Begins. He is also known as The Holiday Killer, a villain with a complex story in the comics.
Joseph Gordon-Levitt will join fellow Inception cast mates Tom Hardy and Michael Caine, along with Christian Bale, Anne Hathaway, Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman, and others for The Dark Knight Rises in theaters on July 20, 2012.
Cool! :)
Great casting news. Interesting character to choose as well. I noticed that this article correctly credited Tom Wilkinson as Carmine Falcone whereas the first article mistakenly listed Eric Roberts as Falcone, when he actually played Sal Maroni. It will be interesting to see how much, if any, of the Holiday Killer storyline they keep from "The Long Halloween." I also wonder if they'll bring in Tony Zucco as he appears in the sequel to "The Long Halloween," "Dark Victory." This news seems to confirm what Gary Oldman said about them trying to tie this movie to the events of "Batman Begins."
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Bane character is going to be epic.
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UPDATE:
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Dave Karger is reporting via Entertainment Weekly that although Joseph Gordon-Levitt will appear in The Dark Knight Rises, he wont be playing the role of Alberto Falcone — as we reported earlier. Time to begin to speculating… again? ???
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Dave Karger is reporting via Entertainment Weekly that although Joseph Gordon-Levitt will appear in The Dark Knight Rises, he wont be playing the role of Alberto Falcone — as we reported earlier. Time to begin to speculating… again? ???
Yeah. I read that too. Maybe Warner Bros. will make an announcement soon, but then again, they're probably loving how much buzz all the speculation creates. I was actually kind of hoping the Alberto Falcone rumor proved to be true. It seemed like a cool idea. I wonder if they have ever considered just bringing back Tom Wilkinson as Carmine Falcone. I know he was supposed to have been driven mad by Scarecrow's fear gas, but if memory serves me, he didn't physically die. Maybe the effects of the fear gas wouldn't have been permanent. At any rate, he was a pretty good character, and in the comics he made several appearances before being killed off.
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Seeing how they've always had Lamborghinis in the Batman movies, I wonder if they'll use the new Lamborghini Aventador as one of Bruce Wayne's whips:
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Gary Oldman Says Christopher Nolan May Return for "Batman 4"
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DigitalSpy caught up with Gary Oldman at the Jameson Empire Awards and asked him to confirm that "The Dark Knight Rises" is the last Batman installment that Christopher Nolan will direct.
"Chris is always negotiating," said Oldman. "So when he says that [he won't come back], I don't know."
Nolan is known for playing games. After "Batman Begins," he pretended to be unsure about returning to the franchise for both "The Dark Knight" and "The Dark Knight Rises." He ended up getting his way every time and Warner Bros even funded "Inception" as a way to bring Nolan back for another Batman movie.
This time, however, he actually stated that "The Dark Knight Rises" will be his last. But he has yet to make that clear to the cast, because even Christian Bale isn't sure that Nolan is done with Batman. Otherwise, the actor wouldn't be promising to reprise his role as many times as Nolan needs him.
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They should do three more lol.
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They should do three more lol.
Yeah, I agree!!! :o That would be the shit!!!
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Why not! They seem to have the right formula.
If doing 5 or 6 even if say the 5th one is not as good as the other ones i dont think it tarnishes the legacy
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You gotta quit while you're ahead though. It's better to end on a high note rather than ending because you played yourself out. You don't want it to be like Michael Jordan when he played for the Wizards.
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I was just playin' lol.
Think about it, we wouldn't get a fifth one until like 2020 lol. Christian Bale would be up for lifetime achievement awards at the Oscars. :P
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The Dark Knight Rises to Shoot in Pittsburgh
While there was some speculation that The Dark Knight Rises would shoot in New Orleans, the production has passed on the city and will set up shop in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports that the production could be in the city for four to six weeks shooting in downtown and the surrounding area. While I would like to say this is a further indictment of how little Christopher Nolan cares about the look of Gotham City, I'm not sure if Tdkr even takes place in Gotham. However, Chicago (the home of The Dark Knight) can't be mistaken for Pittsburgh, so either Nolan doesn't really care that the look of Batman's hometown will change yet again or we're not going to Gotham at all. Hit the jump for more on the film and a statement from Nolan about shooting in Pittsburgh this summer.
The Dark Knight Rises opens July 20, 2012.
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Josh Pence Cast As Young Ra’s Al Ghul in TDKR
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The Hollywood Reporter reported earlier today that Josh Pence has been cast “a young Ra’s al Ghul” in Christopher Nolan’s final Batman film, The Dark Knight Rises.
Josh Pence has yet to have a breakout role in a major film and an appearance in one of the most anticipated movies in recently history probably can’t hurt his carrer. He’s played in only a handful of films and has made a few TV appearances that include Parks and Recreation and CSI. You might not remember hearing about Pence playing Tyler Winklevoss in The Social Network, but he certainly did. Armie Hammer’s face was superimposed on his to create an identical twin. Pence recently wrapped filming Universal’s Battleship which, like Rises, hits theaters in mid-2012.
“A young Ra’s al Ghul.” We all know what that means. It looks like Christopher Nolan’s super-secret script contains some flashback sequences.
Marion Cotillard’s role as Thalia al Ghul, a rumor from February, was never confirmed. I think this news increases the chances of that rumor actually being realized. If we’re talking about flashback sequences here, there’s a great chance that the script for The Dark Knight Rises revolves heavily around Ra’s Al Ghul and possibly his family. News broke earlier this week of Cotillard scheduling to take on a summer project this year.
The Dark Knight Rises starts its worldwide production that includes filming locations like Los Angeles, London, Pittsburgh, and various parts of Europe and Asia next month.
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Daniel Sunjata Joins The Dark Knight Rises
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We’ve been tipped off that The Tracking Board (via /Film) is reporting that Daniel Sunjata has joined the already impressive cast of The Dark Knight Rises. It is unclear (surprise, surprise) what role he will be playing, but the TTB says it is ‘rumored’ that Sunjata will play an ‘important character’ to the story. Fans of the show Rescue Me will recognize the otherwise lesser known actor, but don’t let his unknown-ness throw you off. In 2003, Sunjata won a Theatre World Award for his Broadway performance as a gay Major League Baseball player — a role which also earned him a Tony nomination. He has since had a number of small and breakout roles in various television shows and films.
It looks, to me, like Christopher Nolan is starting to fill in the missing pieces to the Rises casting puzzle as the start date draws closer — just a few weeks now. It would be nice though to get a confirmation on Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Marion Cotillard, no?
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Daniel Sunjata and Others Join The Dark Knight Rises
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UPDATE: Variety is reporting that Diego Klattenhoff (Mean Girls, Men in Trees) and Burn Gorman (Torchwood, Layer Cake) will likely be joining the Dark Knight Rises team. According to the report, Klattenhoff has been offered the role of a rookie cop, and Gorman is being eyed for a supporting role in the film. The report also sheds more light on the Daniel Sunjata news, stating the actor is in early talks to play a special forces operative.
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Joseph Gordon-Levitt & Marion Cotillard Confirmed for TDKR
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Warner Bros. sent out a press release earlier this afternoon confirming what we’ve all been speculating about for some time now: Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Marion Cotillard have been cast in The Dark Knight Rises. Websites and fanboys alike have been trying to predict which roles the actors will play in the much anticipated last chapter in Christopher Nolan’s Batman universe, but it shouldn’t be much surprise that everybody was seemingly wrong. Now worries though — this afternoon’s press release reveals the roles the two will play:
Cotillard will appear as Miranda Tate, a Wayne Enterprises board member eager to help a still-grieving Bruce Wayne resume his father’s philanthropic endeavors for Gotham. Gordon-Levitt will play John Blake, a Gotham City beat cop assigned to special duty under the command of Commissioner Gordon.
The director stated, “When you collaborate with people as talented as Marion and Joe, it comes as no surprise that you would want to repeat the experience. I immediately thought of them for the roles of Miranda and Blake, and I am looking forward to working with both of them again.”.
So now we know. Can we officially put the Talia al Ghul and Alberto Falcone rumors to rest? Maybe. JGL and Cotillard will be joining Christian Bale, Tom Hardy, Anne Hathaway, Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman, Michael Cane, and many more when The Dark Knight Rises hits theaters next summer on July 20.
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Joseph Gordon-Levitt & Marion Cotillard Confirmed for TDKR
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Warner Bros. sent out a press release earlier this afternoon confirming what we’ve all been speculating about for some time now: Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Marion Cotillard have been cast in The Dark Knight Rises. Websites and fanboys alike have been trying to predict which roles the actors will play in the much anticipated last chapter in Christopher Nolan’s Batman universe, but it shouldn’t be much surprise that everybody was seemingly wrong. Now worries though — this afternoon’s press release reveals the roles the two will play:
Cotillard will appear as Miranda Tate, a Wayne Enterprises board member eager to help a still-grieving Bruce Wayne resume his father’s philanthropic endeavors for Gotham. Gordon-Levitt will play John Blake, a Gotham City beat cop assigned to special duty under the command of Commissioner Gordon.
The director stated, “When you collaborate with people as talented as Marion and Joe, it comes as no surprise that you would want to repeat the experience. I immediately thought of them for the roles of Miranda and Blake, and I am looking forward to working with both of them again.”.
So now we know. Can we officially put the Talia al Ghul and Alberto Falcone rumors to rest? Maybe. JGL and Cotillard will be joining Christian Bale, Tom Hardy, Anne Hathaway, Gary Oldman, Morgan Freeman, Michael Cane, and many more when The Dark Knight Rises hits theaters next summer on July 20.
Yeah. I believe we can definitely rule out Joseph Gordon-Levitt as Alberto Falcone. With Marion Cotillard though, I still wonder if they may be trying to pull a similar move as they did in "Batman Begins" when we found out that Ducard was really Ras Al Ghul. Especially since we know that the movie will feature a young Ras Al Ghul in some scenes. I guess another possibility could be that they've cast a different actress as Talia or, as you mentioned, the Talia rumor could prove to just be false.
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OMG these batman movies are soo overrated.
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OMG these batman movies are soo overrated.
That goes for your signature-pic aswell... in other words: FUCK OFF!!!
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The Dark Knight Rises To Shoot In India
An Indian news source is reporting that ‘The Dark Knight Rises’ will be partly shot in the city of Jodhpur. What does that say about recent rumors about the League of Shadows, Talia al Ghul, and the film in general?
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Nestled within the rumored plot synopsis that has once again prompted speculation about the possible appearance of Hugo Strange in The Dark Knight Rises, there was also information about the shooting locations for Christopher Nolan’s new film – specifically, locales like Pittsburgh, New York, London, and India.
Now there’s been semi-official confirmation that Nolan’s third and final Batman pic will indeed be shooting on location in India. If nothing else, this information lends further support to the idea that the League of Shadows will indeed play an important role in the film – even though it may do so in a fashion that differs from previous rumors on the topic.
The Daily Bhaskar is reporting that Dark Knight Rises will be shooting in Jodhpur – also known as “the Sun City” – the second-largest city in the Indian state of Rajasthan. To refresh your memory: in Batman Begins, Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale) spent a period of time imprisoned in Bhutan prior to his meeting with Henri Ducard/Ra’s al Ghul (Liam Neeson) and training with him at the League of Shadows’ home base, located somewhere within the vicinity of (or actually in) India.
Between Josh Pence’s role in Dark Knight Rises and Gary Oldman’s comments about the third movie bringing Nolan’s Batman trilogy full circle, it seemed all but a given that the League will play an active role in the film – and not just appear via flashbacks. However, while this new information supports that (admittedly, at this point, kind of obvious) idea, I wouldn’t say it lends further credence to the Hugo Strange rumors. Then again, it’s still all just speculation at this point, right?
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The recent official confirmation of Joseph Gordon-Levitt and Marion Cotillard as being members of the Dark Knight Rises cast also included information about their respective roles in the pic – and, naturally, many a fan (us here at Screen Rant included) were immediately suspicious about the true nature of their characters in the film. With Cotillard in particular, there seems to be good reason to suspect that she could actually be playing Talia al Ghul, who uses the name Miranda Tate as an alias (like her father did with Henri Ducard).
It is of course possible that Cotillard’s character has no secret identity, but (as I see it) there are a handful of reasons to think otherwise (Nolan’s tricky tendencies aside):
•If the League of Shadows is playing an important part in the plot of Dark Knight Rises, then Talia seems all the more likely to show up as well.
•Tate is said to be aiding Bruce Wayne with his “philanthropic endeavors for Gotham.” So isn’t she also well positioned to either ruin and/or control his resources – a position someone like Talia would definitely covet?
•Both Talia and Selina Kyle/Catwoman (Anne Hathaway) are morally ambiguous anti-heroines who (in the original comics) become romantically involved with Batman at one point or another. So if the two were to both show up in Dark Knight Rises, it would really force the Caped Crusader to question his own beliefs about the criminal mind – and offer him all the more temptation to embrace “the dark side” of his vigilante personality, so to speak.
To reiterate: it’s entirely possible that Cotillard’s Miranda Tate has no ulterior motive and that the League of Shadows won’t feature that much in the plot of Dark Knight Rises. For the time being, however, I think there’s good reason to be suspicious.
All will be revealed when The Dark Knight Rises in theaters on July 20th, 2012.
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The Dark Knight Rises Set to Begin Production in India
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After a few days worth of varied speculation, The Times of India has confirmed that Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight Rises will begin production with a two-day shoot in India on May 6 and May 7. Nolan specifically settled on the Mehrangarh Fort after scouting for locations in both Jodhpur and Jaipur last December. It’s an imposing structure that overlooks the beautiful blue city of Jodhpur from about 400 feet, perfect for some impressive IMAX photography (or perhaps a few ornate interior shots). Although I fully expected the Indian sequence to be the “key flashback” featuring Josh Pence as a young Ra’s Al Ghul, Christian Bale will apparently be the only actor involved in the shoot – joined by a slim production crew of around fifteen. What does Nolan have in store for The Dark Knight Rises in Jodhpur without Ra’s or Bane?
It's finally gonna start!!! :o ;D
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Production Update #1: Forts, and Wells, and IMAX! Oh My!
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Principle photography on The Dark Knight Rises officially started last week in Jodhpur, India. Filming began on Friday, May 6th at the Mehrangarh Fort with Christian Bale, and sightings of Josh Pence and others. Helicopters, IMAX cameras, and green screens were in use during the shoot. Our Indian friends tell us that Christopher and his crew worked long 14 hour days in the smouldering Indian heat. A fair share of photos from the shoot have popped up online via Twitter, Facebook, and ComingSoon.net. Photos of a bearded Bale and other odd characters have brought up wild speculation about just what was being filmed there at Mehrangarh Fort. The conversation sparked hundreds of replies on several forums in just a few hours.
As of yesterday, the filming in India had wrapped, and Christopher and his cast and crew flew back to London — according to the Times of India. Filming will likely continue in the UK at the Cardington airship sheds in Bedfordshire before moving to Pittsburgh and Los Angeles later in the summer. Check out the photos below.
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^ Pence: The guy in wearing the black shirt: Young Ra's Al Ghul??? :o
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Is that supposed to be the Lazarus Pit?
I wonder why they put those green rocks in there... Obviously it's going to be some CGI stuff but it's weird
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Is that supposed to be the Lazarus Pit?
I wonder why they put those green rocks in there... Obviously it's going to be some CGI stuff but it's weird
Yeah it's a green screen... something is probably gonna be added with some CGI-shit!
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Holy Quarter Billion Dollar Budget, Batman!
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The LA Times posted an article today claiming tension is growing between Warner Bros. and their financing partner Legendary Pictures over The Dark Knight Rises. The two companies started their co-financing and production partnership back in 2005 on Batman Begins, and have since had a rather successful relationship. The deal between the two companies is up in 2013, and according to the article, negotiations over The Dark Knight Rises is causing tension over the renewal.
"While Legendary was a 50/50 partner on 2008’s The Dark Knight, which grossed more than $1 billion worldwide and sold 16 million DVDs, the film financing and production company has for months been trying to secure a similar ownership stake in the sequel. The film, which like the last two Batman pictures will be directed by Christopher Nolan and star Christian Bale, is expected to cost at least $250 million to produce."- LA Times
That’s right, industry insiders are ball-parking the budget for The Dark Knight Rises in the $250 million area. I suppose this shouldn’t be terribly surprising — we all expected a jump up from The Dark Knight‘s budget of $185 million. And Wally Pfister is on record as stating that they’re planning on shooting as much IMAX as possible for Rises, which alone can nearly double the budget of a scene. Who’s ready to see that budget be put to use?
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Alon Aboutboul Cast in The Dark Knight Rises
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Alon Aboutboul has been cast in the role of a mad scientist for The Dark Knight Rises, according to an Israeli website. Aboutboul is most known for his role as Al-Saleem, one of the main antagonists in Ridley Scott’s 2008 film Body of Lies, but he has been also appearing in small roles in a lot of top level American tv shows the past 2 years. The news of his casting was seemingly confirmed by his wife via Twitter. Some folks on the internet have already leaped to the conclusion that this mad scientist role is that of Hugo Strange, who has been rumored to appear in the movie for many months now. A more likely scenario could be that Aboutboul is playing a scientist who does human scientific experiments on the character Bane, who will be portrayed by Tom Hardy in the film, or possibly the old Batman villain from way back, Doctor Death. What do you guys think?
Holy shit!!! :o Another villain???
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Maybe its just me but dosent seem like there is 1000 character is this damn movie!! lol
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Production Update #2: The Dark Knight Rises in London
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Filming for The Dark Knight Rises continues this week in London as the Farmiloe Building on St. John’s Street in Farringdon doubles for the Gotham Police Department. The location was used previously in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight for various Gotham PD interiors, as well as the warehouse in Asia where Bruce Wayne gets caught stealing from his own company. Filming for Rises began on Monday morning and is said to continue through the week until Friday or Saturday. Word is that Gary Oldman is on set, naturally, as well as Joseph Gordon-Levitt and others. We expect to learn more as the filming progresses over the course of the week, so check back for updates. Currently, a crop of photos have turned up via Twitter, ComicBookMovie.com, and our Forums. Check out some of the photos below.
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Bane, It's ill!!!!!!!!!!!
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First Look at Tom Hardy as Bane in The Dark Knight Rises
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This morning the first official image from The Dark Knight Rises was revealed — an image of Tom Hardy as Bane! Yesterday Warner Bros. announced the beginning of production on the film via press release, and many fans on the forums speculated that the launch of the film’s official website www.thedarkknightrises.com was bound to be next — and so they were right. The site is seemingly just a black image with an embedded audio file playing odd chanting. It seems that a fan over at SuperHeroHype took a look at the visual spectrum of that audio file and embedded in it was the Twitter hashtag #thefirerises. Upon tweeting the hashtag, each person’s twitter icon was assembled to reveal the image of Bane on the site.
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So there he is, folks; Tom Hardy as Bane. What do you think? I think it’s pretty great. It’s an intimidating image, and I’m curious as to the mask’s purpose.
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3 More Cast Members Join The Dark Knight Rises
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Variety’s Jeff Sneider reports that Matthew Mondine, Tom Conti, and 11 year-old Joey King have joined the cast of The Dark Knight Rises. The casting of Matthew Modine goes well in-tow with Christopher Nolan’s determination to cast actors from the 80s who have since fallen a bit from the spotlight, e,g., Rutger Hauer in Batman Begins, Eric Roberts in The Dark Knight, and Tom Berenger in Inception. Modine is most notably known for his role in Stanley Kubrick’s 1987 Vietnam War pic, Full Metal Jacket. According to Variety he’ll be playing a character named Nixon, a character who seemingly popped up in sides for the film over the past month or so. There’s no word on who Tom Conti will be playing, but the casting of 11-year-old female Joey King raises our suspicions quite a bit. The casting of Josh Pence as a young Ra’s al Ghul, then Marion Cotillard as a generic board member, and now this little girl in an unmentioned role should clue you into who we think she could possibly be playing. If you can’t figure out who we’re talking about… well… you’re bound to solve the puzzle eventually. I suspect we’re right, but knowing Nolan, we could be dead wrong. What do you guys think?
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Are you guys suspecting the little girl will be playing a young Talia, aren't ya? ;)
It's definitely possible... and she may have been part of the India shoot. According to her Twitter account:
"Great!! I'm leaving the U.S. tomorrow 2 film in another country!" - A few days before the India shoot
https://twitter.com/JoeyLittleKing/status/64871664432857088
And then tonight she confirmed she's in TDKR:
https://twitter.com/JoeyLittleKing/status/71753363913584640
Look at this and you'll understand:
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I can't wait another year lol.
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I can't wait another year lol.
+1
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The Dark Knight Rises Cast Keeps Growing
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Just days after announcing that 3 new cast members have joined The Dark Knight Rises, word comes to us that Brett Cullen and Chris Ellis will also be joining the cast. Variety is reporting that Cullen will play a judge in the much anticipated film, and Ellis will play a priest. Brett Cullen is a reasonably well known face best known for his small but notable roles on tv shows like Lost and Friday Night Lights. He’ll also be starring in the upcoming Red Dawn next to Chris Hemsworth. Chris Ellis is also a face often appearing on tv, but don’t be mistaken, he’s acted for a lot of top-tier film directors, such as Steven Spielberg, Tim Burton, Ron Howard and Michael Bay.
The Dark Knight Rises and its large and impressive cast are currently in production in London and Croydon, and will be moving to Glasgow next. The film is set to open in theaters next July.
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Production Update #3: Somebody Likes The UK
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And that somebody is Christopher Nolan. For the past several weeks The Dark Knight Rises has been filming in various parts of London and its outlining areas. The production moved there after starting off in India early last month. Filming began in the capital city at the Farmiloe Building in Farringdon. We posted a handful of pictures from that location in our previous Production Update. Production has since moved a bit south of Central London to Croydon, where filming is taking place at the Delta Point offices. Pictures from recent filming have been popping up all over the place — some of which could be quite spoiler-y, so beware. Much of the cast seems to be on location for a lot of the recent filming, although production members are going to great lengths to keep things like that as secret as possible.
We mentioned in our last article that the production is said to be visiting Glasgow sometime this month, but we’ve also recently learned of a couple locations that will be used for the new Wayne Manor in The Dark Knight Rises. The official Nottingham website is noting that Wollaton Hall — a 16th-century mansion — will be closed from June 25th to July 2nd in order to “enable a film to have exclusive access” to the mansion. You may notice from the picture I used in the article banner above that Wollaton Hall looks very similar to Mentmore Towers — the location used for the original Wayne Manor used in Batman Begins. Given the events that transpire in that film, it’s only logical that the exact same location wouldn’t be used again. However, it should look quite similar — and it does. We’ve also learned via another official website that another mansion in the UK will temporarily closing — this time Osterley Park in West London. The mansion will be closed on various dates from June 15th to June 22nd. It is believed that this location will be used for Wayne Manor interiors.
In other news, Highland News is reporting that filming will take place at the Inverness Airport in Scotland later this month. No word on whether in actors will be on location for the shoot. Reports are that the Airport might only be used for various aerial shots. Filming will likely continue in the UK throughout June and early July. Production will then make its way to the United States in late July when filming begins in Pittsburgh. Filming will take place in The Steel City for 4 to 6 weeks, and if you’re of age and live in the area, you can be in it! The Smith & Webster-Davis Casting website posted an Open Call for extras needed to “play victims and perpetrators within a city besieged by crime and corruption” for a film called Magnus Rex — which we know is codename for The Dark Knight Rises.
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Anne Hathaway Accidentally Injures Stuntman
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Actress Anne Hathaway accidentally injured a stuntman while filming the new Batman sequel The Dark Knight Rises - when she clubbed him with a prop gun.
The star, who plays Catwoman in the highly anticipated Christopher Nolan movie, was shooting an action sequence when she jammed a gun into the guy's face.
A source tells British newspaper The Sun, "Anne got a bit carried away during a fight scene and mistakenly shoved the butt of the gun right into the actor's eye socket. He came away with a massive black eye. Anne was mortified. It was all in good humour but the poor guy took quite a pummelling."
Hathaway was so embarrassed by the mishap, she immediately offered an apology and later gave the stuntman a gag gift - a pen engraved with the words: 'Remember, no one packs a punch like Anne'.
:halo:
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There is way too much news being reported on the filming of a movie. What is this nigga a tabloid star now?
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There is way too much news being reported on the filming of a movie. What is this nigga a tabloid star now?
im saying!!!
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There is way too much news being reported on the filming of a movie. What is this nigga a tabloid star now?
This thread is about the most anticipated movie in history! Real fans know what I'm talking about... If you don't think all the news and making of details in here are interesting get the fuck outta here, crybaby!!!
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There is way too much news being reported on the filming of a movie. What is this nigga a tabloid star now?
I'm sure there is this much news about every movie. People just don't follow it this closely & post it.
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There is way too much news being reported on the filming of a movie. What is this nigga a tabloid star now?
This thread is about the most anticipated movie in history! Real fans know what I'm talking about... If you don't think all the news and making of details in here are interesting get the fuck outta here, crybaby!!!
Nolan groupie :D
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There is way too much news being reported on the filming of a movie. What is this nigga a tabloid star now?
This thread is about the most anticipated movie in history! Real fans know what I'm talking about... If you don't think all the news and making of details in here are interesting get the fuck outta here, crybaby!!!
Nolan groupie :D
Says the irrelevant Spice 1 groupie :D
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There is way too much news being reported on the filming of a movie. What is this nigga a tabloid star now?
This thread is about the most anticipated movie in history! Real fans know what I'm talking about... If you don't think all the news and making of details in here are interesting get the fuck outta here, crybaby!!!
Nolan groupie :D
Says the irrelevant Spice 1 groupie :D
and I'm on dubcc. You're catching feelings for a director and needlessly defending him on a west coast hip hop forum. Damn I haven't even said anything bad about the man :D
How many posts do you see me make about Spice 1? while you're stanning it up making a million posts about the filming of a movie. Pathetic.
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and I'm on dubcc. You're catching feelings for a director and needlessly defending him on a west coast hip hop forum. Damn I haven't even said anything bad about the man :DHow many posts do you see me make about Spice 1? while you're stanning it up making a million posts about the filming of a movie. Pathetic.
Moron, this section of the Dubcc forum is called Entertainment & Gaming, so news about a movie should be very obvious to a normal person... I'm not defending Nolan at all, I just post news about this project because it will blow everybody away next year... just wait and see!
Now get the fuck out of this topic and post your bullshit in the other sections, don't waste time of the moviefans in here!
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Michael Caine: 'Dark Knight Rises is extraordinary'
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Michael Caine has described the plot to Batman sequel The Dark Knight Rises as "really extraordinary".
The veteran actor claimed that he had been sworn to secrecy by director Christopher Nolan over details of the superhero epic, but assured fans that the finished product would be worth waiting for.
Caine, who plays butler Alfred Pennyworth in the Batman trilogy, joked to Collider: "We've all signed the Official Secrets Act. I'm lucky to be able to tell you the title of the movie."
"I remember I did an interview and someone said to me, 'What are you doing next?' I said, 'I'm doing Batman'. I saw Chris and he said, 'Why did you tell them you were doing Batman? You're supposed to keep it secret'... I couldn't keep that a secret."
He added: "Let me tell you... the plot is extraordinary... really extraordinary. I know why he wants to keep it a secret. You really need not to know till you see the movie."
Caine, who also worked with Nolan on last year's Inception and 2006 drama The Prestige, was quick to praise the "great" and "clever" director.
"Christopher Nolan, I think, is one of the greatest directors in the world and I've been lucky [to work with him]," he gushed. "This is my fifth movie with him. It's such a pleasure to work with him and he's so clever."
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Production Update #4: Manors, Suits, and Cars
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A lot has happened since our last little update about The Dark Knight Rises. Production on the much anticipated film continues on in various parts of the UK. Filming at Wollaton Hall (the location being used as the rebuilt Wayne Manor) began last week. Special props have been built just outside of the mansion that hint at what seems to be an iconic Batman scene. Some people might consider the props spoilery, but given the location and the events of Batman Begins, I think it isn’t much of a surprise. Batman-News snagged a handful of photos of the filming location and props if you so care check it out. Filming at Wollaton Hall has also brought us our first real video footage of filming. A video popped up on YouTube of the crew filming a taxi cab and Bruce Wayne arriving at the manor. The channel that posted the video, BatmanManor, also has some other random footage of stuff being set up at the filming location. Check out the video below:
https://www.youtube.com/v/x_s-RmS6Q3I&feature=player_embedded (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_s-RmS6Q3I&feature=player_embedded)
Also getting some attention on the internet lately is an article on about Anne Hathaway’s Catwoman costume posted by HollywoodLife (see: http://www.hollywoodlife.com/2011/06/27/anne-hathaway-catwoman-costume/). Rumors have popped up that we would be getting a sneak peak of the Catwoman costume via viral marketing, but there has been no signs or hints at such an event happening yet. Many have speculated just what the costume might look like, but now an “insider” has told HollywoodLife that it is not going to be like anything like costumes in previous Batman movies. “Anne’s outfit is more tactical, like the comic book, than the previous Batman movies. She will definitely be wearing the goggles and it’s going to be less sexy than Halle Berry and Michelle Pfeiffer’s Catwoman costumes. She’s going to look more like a robber.” The insider goes on to insist that the outfit is still quite appealing, and that the role will transform how we view Hathaway. “Everything from the looks in her eyes, her head movements, her body–everything is so feline. The role is taking her to new places.”
My favorite bit of new news has been about Bruce Wayne getting a new Lamborghini in The Dark Knight Rises. Pictures of a 2012 Lamborghini Aventador LP700-4 have surfaced thanks to Luxury4Play via Batman-News. Lamborghinis are no surprise to a Christopher Nolan Batman film set; A Murcièlago LP640 was used in The Dark Knight, and a Murcielago Roadster was used in Batman Begins. Some fans were skeptical whether or not Nolan and team would choose to use the new Aventador model since Murcièlago is Spanish for Bat, but in the end it seems the name connection wasn’t unbreakable. Some, however, have speculated that this could symbolize Bruce Wayne moving beyond ‘Batman’ and that part of his identity. What do you think?
The Dark Knight Rises will continue filming until fall of this year. A teaser trailer is expected, but not guaranteed, in front of the final Harry Potter film. The superhero film stars Christian Bale, Tom Hardy, Anne Hathaway, Morgan Freeman, Michael Caine, Gary Oldman, Joseph Gordon-Levitt, and many more – including recently cast Josh Stewart and this quite spoilery addition: http://www.slashfilm.com/the-dark-knight-rises-spoiler/.
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Production Update #5: Does It Come In Black?
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Excitement over the next installment in Christopher Nolan’s Batman franchise has created such a wild thirst for information that the average fanboy with a camera phone has become more useful than the paparazzi. We reported back in December that The Dark Knight Rises would be filming at the Cardington airship sheds, and since then we’ve had readers who live in the area drive by and snap photos of the sheds over the past couple months with not much to show for it. But quite recently that has all changed. Just outside the shed has emerged a cross-section of a black jet plane. “Neo” on our forums posted several pictures of a prop jet being moved outside and around the hanger. These photos come after the BBC claimed parachutists have been jumping out of a black jet plane in the Highlands of Scotland in connection with the film. The BBC also confirmed reports that we brought last month about planned filming at Inverness Airport, stating that a former US military C130 Hercules transport aircraft has also been making flights to and from the airport.
Reports on Twitter have mentioned everything from helicopters to football stadiums being used for the film. An extras casting website has shed some light on the football stadium question by announcing that extras are needed for a football game between the ‘Gotham Rogues’ and the ‘Rapid City Monuments’ being filmed in Pittsburgh next month. Sounds like a lot of potential for awesome to me! If rumors about what goes down at the football game are true, awesome is a guarantee. As The Dark Knight Rises production makes its way over to America in the next few weeks, be sure to check out our Forums, Twitter, and Facebook for all of the lastest news. Until then, check out all of the awesome pics from Cardington below.
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Dope... I'm still so stoked for this. After all the festivities yesterday, we ended up watching Batman Begins and The Dark Knight on BluRay last night into the early hours of the morning.
I'm curious about the football game though... perhaps Bane is going to be disguised as a football player or something and then just tear shit up and fuck up all of the players on the field, haha.
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The Dark Knight Rises Teaser Poster Revealed!
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The first poster for Christopher Nolan’s The Dark Knight Rises has just been released via the film’s official website! Decayed, crumbling skyscrapers outlining the bat symbol stir up memories of one of the The Dark Knight‘s final posters (the burning bat symbol seared into the side of a building) with a touch of Inception‘s limbo, indicating bleak days ahead for Gotham City. Check out the new hi-res poster here: http://www.thedarkknightrises.com/images/TheDarkKnightRises_TeaserPoster.jpg
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looks ill!
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The Dark Knight Rises Teaser Trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-cgm4ocQUk&feature=youtu.be
dunno it's fake or not.
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and I'm on dubcc. You're catching feelings for a director and needlessly defending him on a west coast hip hop forum. Damn I haven't even said anything bad about the man :DHow many posts do you see me make about Spice 1? while you're stanning it up making a million posts about the filming of a movie. Pathetic.
Moron, this section of the Dubcc forum is called Entertainment & Gaming, so news about a movie should be very obvious to a normal person... I'm not defending Nolan at all, I just post news about this project because it will blow everybody away next year... just wait and see!
Now get the fuck out of this topic and post your bullshit in the other sections, don't waste time of the moviefans in here!
great. So the movies coming out. I'm looking forward to it too. Doesn't mean its not incredibly lame of you to be hyperventilating over every little useless tidbit of info about the production that comes out. There's being a movie fan and then there's being an overemotional fanboy. You take it to the extreme.
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looks ill!
Yeah I agree!!!
The Dark Knight Rises Teaser Trailer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-cgm4ocQUk&feature=youtu.be
dunno it's fake or not.
Interesting, thanks for posting this!
and I'm on dubcc. You're catching feelings for a director and needlessly defending him on a west coast hip hop forum. Damn I haven't even said anything bad about the man :DHow many posts do you see me make about Spice 1? while you're stanning it up making a million posts about the filming of a movie. Pathetic.
Moron, this section of the Dubcc forum is called Entertainment & Gaming, so news about a movie should be very obvious to a normal person... I'm not defending Nolan at all, I just post news about this project because it will blow everybody away next year... just wait and see!
Now get the fuck out of this topic and post your bullshit in the other sections, don't waste time of the moviefans in here!
great. So the movies coming out. I'm looking forward to it too. Doesn't mean its not incredibly lame of you to be hyperventilating over every little useless tidbit of info about the production that comes out. There's being a movie fan and then there's being an overemotional fanboy. You take it to the extreme.
Fuck off...
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The Dark Knight Rises Teaser Trailer Leaked!
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Last night Collider posted a detailed trailer description for the teaser trailer to The Dark Knight Rises. Once it was confirmed accurate the internet began to buzz and chatter over the inevitability of a leak. After a couple hours it seemed to be just a hope for many, but now ArkhamCity.co.uk has gotten its hands on a cam-rip of the teaser trailer to The Dark Knight Rises that will be playing in front of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 2 on July 15th. I haven’t watched this myself, as I’m not really looking for my first experience of the movie to be a cam-rip, but consensus seems to be this is legit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dY2uk4s1jo
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not bad.
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Who's the guy on the hospital bed? The videos are too blurry, though of course I realize he is talking to Bruce Wayne.
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Damn. My power was out for the entire day, yesterday. I apparently missed the leak as it looks as though Warner Bros. lawyers have already gotten most of the sites to take the trailer down. Hopefully, the official version will drop soon. I'm guessing probably by the end of the week, as the trailer is supposed to be attached to at least some prints of the new Harry Potter.
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and I'm on dubcc. You're catching feelings for a director and needlessly defending him on a west coast hip hop forum. Damn I haven't even said anything bad about the man :DHow many posts do you see me make about Spice 1? while you're stanning it up making a million posts about the filming of a movie. Pathetic.
Moron, this section of the Dubcc forum is called Entertainment & Gaming, so news about a movie should be very obvious to a normal person... I'm not defending Nolan at all, I just post news about this project because it will blow everybody away next year... just wait and see!
Now get the fuck out of this topic and post your bullshit in the other sections, don't waste time of the moviefans in here!
great. So the movies coming out. I'm looking forward to it too. Doesn't mean its not incredibly lame of you to be hyperventilating over every little useless tidbit of info about the production that comes out. There's being a movie fan and then there's being an overemotional fanboy. You take it to the extreme.
Fuck off...
No but you're welcome too. Lol @ masturbating over an unfinished trailer. You kids are something else...
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Production Update #6: Get Ready For The Knight, Pittsburgh
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Production on The Dark Knight Rises is gearing up to come stateside this month, and its first stop will be in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. CBS Pittsburgh ran a couple of stories this week discussing the production of the major motion picture descending upon the city. We mentioned in our last production update that extras are needed for filming for a fictional football game. Rumors from several months ago claimed some filming would take place at the Civic Arena, but that rumor began to clash with the recent news, as the arena isn’t meant for football. But now the local CBS station has been able to reveal that filming will instead be taking place at Heinz Field, home of the Pittsburgh Steelers. Another major scene in the film will be filming at the Software Engineering Institute and the Mellon Institute at Carnegie Mellon University. And that’s not all.
The good folks over at SuperHeroHype have managed to get their hands on what could be considered spoiler-y pics of various vehicles being shipped into town for the production. I imagine this stuff will eventually get out or even be shown in trailers, but for now I am declaring the photos they have posted as potential spoilers – so click at your own risk: http://www.superherohype.com/news/articles/167841-batman-vehicles-arrive-on-the-pittsburgh-set. However, even CBS Pittsburgh reported on the pictures in their second story on the film, which also mentions the use of pyrotechnics and precision stunt driving planned on being used during filming. They even confirm reports we talked about back in February about the use of snow in the film. The news station says fake snow will used on a number of streets for part of filming. This is cohesive with the February report about Christopher Nolan wanting to shoot aeriel plate shots of NYC while snow was still on the ground. Is winter coming to Gotham? That’s a rhetorical question geared toward making Game of Thrones fans smile, by the way.
Lastly, you may have noticed that our last story about the teaser trailer leak has been updated to note that Warner Bros. is being aggressive in taking down bootlegged copies of the trailer. We suspect that an official HD release of the trailer should happen over the weekend, Monday at the latest, so stick tuned!
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FYI, the actual movie website now has a link to the trailer that is viewable through Facebook. There's really not much extra that you can see now, but it's at least nice to see a real video of the trailer instead of some iPhone camera recording of it in the theaters.
I thought about it a bit, and just throwing some ideas out there, it's possible that Bane later became a student of Ras Al Ghul, which did happen in the comics but after Bane got beat. In the comics, Ras did like Bane enough to consider him his heir/successor (which he had originally considered Batman/Bruce Wayne), and seeing how they're bringing Ras's dialogue back along with having cameos by Liam Neeson in the movie, perhaps that is how they're telling Bane's story. It could fly... I had randomly watched Batman Begins again, and there's a line that Ras says to Bruce Wayne in the mansion as it's burning, and he says something like "It should be YOU who is standing next to me," which then doesn't sound like much, but now it could be interpreted to Ras having found another to stand alongside him, which could be Bane.
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The Dark Knight Rises Teaser Trailer Officially Released Online
It's here!!!
Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OreJh4idFo
:o
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who's the guy on bed?!
Gordon?!
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Yes, it's Gordon.
Check out the transcription from the teaser trailer:
[from trailer]
Ra's al Ghul: If you make yourself more than just a man, if you devote yourself to an ideal... you become something else entirely. A legend Mr. Wayne, a legend.
Jim Gordon: [lying in a hospital bed] We were in this together, and then you were gone. And now this evil's rising. The Batman has to come back.
Bruce Wayne: What if he doesn't exist anymore?
Jim Gordon: He must... he must...
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Pretty cool trailer...can't wait to see more. Not sure if any of the cast or crew of "The Dark Knight Rises" will have a presence at Comic-Con this weekend, or not. There's probably a greater chance that they won't be there this year, but you never know. Guess we'll find out in the next couple days.
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Tom Hardy, Anne Hatheway. . .okay, fine. Sounds good. Let's hope they can pull it off better than George Clooney.
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The Dark Knight Rises Pittsburgh Press Conference
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Filming on The Dark Knight Rises will begin in Pittsburg, PA tomorrow, but before it does, Christopher Nolan and his team decided to hold a press conference thanking the city’s officials and residents for their hospitality and cooperation in advance. The film production will be in the city of Pittsburgh for approximately a month before moving on to Los Angeles. A fair number of stunts and action scenes will be filmed within in The Steel City, in addition to a large amount of fake snow that will be spread across the city’s streets. Christian Bale and many of the film’s star will be present for this portion of filming, which is trying to stay as vague and nondescript as possible. To signal that production is in town, a large laser-inscribed Bat Signal has been placed on the side of one of the city’s prominent skyscrapers. Batman-News has some more cool photos of the signal being displayed by Lightwave International, so head over there to check it out. Meanwhile, Local News Station WPXI was able to take video from the event and post it on their website for your viewing pleasure.
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To see video of Christian Bale at the conference, click here: http://www.wpxi.com/video/28694769/index.html. To see the eloquent Christopher Nolan speak, click here: http://www.wpxi.com/video/28694858/index.html. The Dark Knight Rises will hit theaters next Summer on July 20, 2012.
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Bane Standing on Tumbler! (Filming The Dark Knight Rises) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=I4SotJA1nQo#at=76
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And on top of that, apparently there were also three camo'd Tumblers on the scene, just like the first one in Batman Begins:
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/01/batmobile-tumbler-caravan-snagged-rolling-through-pittsburgh/
This is getting intriguing.
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First Look at Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle/Catwoman
Warner Bros. has released the first official photo of Anne Hathaway as Selina Kyle/Catwoman in The Dark Knight Rises. Trading cat ears for high tech goggles and a bat-pod, Nolan’s Catwoman appears to be an incarnation of the character unlike anything we’ve seen before. She fits the more practical, less theatrical approach of Nolan’s previous Batman characters, but this also raises the question of whether or not Selina Kyle will actually have the name Catwoman in the film – the photo simply bears the title Selina Kyle, as have the official press releases. Check the image below:
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:o
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This better win Picture of the Year lol.
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Well, regarding the Anne Hathaway pic, Warner Bros. have been careful to refer to it as a a pic of Selena Kyle, which makes me think that this is either not the final version of her costume or Nolan is simply not going to refer to her as Catwoman at all, in this movie. If the latter proves true then this probably is the only costume she'll use. It resembles the one in the current comics with the obvious omission of any kind of cowl.
So far I'm more impressed with the overall look of Bane, but we don't really know the context of this picture either.
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Keep in mind that long before the release of The Dark Knight, they never mentioned Two-Face, but rather only referring to him as Harvey Dent, even though he did become Two-Face in the movie.
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Apparently Selina Kyle/Catwoman (no word if it was Anne Hathaway or a stunt double) crashed the Batpod into a camera during filming. Here's an article (though the video had been taken down):
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/09/batpod-riding-catwoman-takes-out-camera-rig-on-set-of-dark-kn/
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What is so cat-like about her in that picture?
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What is so cat-like about her in that picture?
Nothing really in that picture. According to what Hathaway said in this brief interview though, that isn't the entire outfit.
http://www.shockya.com/news/2011/08/09/anne-hathaway-addresses-the-invasion-of-unofficial-photographers-on-the-set-of-the-dark-knight-rises/
Here's the excerpt where she mentions it:
They just released your first official still, but we also got a ton of unofficial material from the fans hanging around the set. How does that make you feel? Is it stealing your thunder and is there any concern about revealing too much about that final product?
It’s disappointing. I think everyone feels a slight frustration with it because those stills so undercut the work that’s being done. No, no one’s nervous about it. I mean, honestly, like, wait till you see this movie. Chris is doing insane things in it. And it’s gonna be marvelous and it’s gonna be way beyond what anyone imagines that it could be. You can’t imagine the things that he’s doing, at least I couldn’t until I read the script and I was like, ‘You’re really? Okay, you’re going there!” And it’s Chris Nolan; even the picture that he released of me, that’s not everything. That’s like a tenth of what the catsuit is. And I’ve got to say, I find it frustrating and I know he finds it frustrating, but I also think that he’s having fun with it, kind of like spooning out secrets. He has a lot more control than you think.
Read more: http://www.shockya.com/news/2011/08/09/anne-hathaway-addresses-the-invasion-of-unofficial-photographers-on-the-set-of-the-dark-knight-rises/#ixzz1Ud4VQB6d
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Anne Hathaway's hot, I'll watch it.
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What is so cat-like about her in that picture?
Nothing really in that picture. According to what Hathaway said in this brief interview though, that isn't the entire outfit.
http://www.shockya.com/news/2011/08/09/anne-hathaway-addresses-the-invasion-of-unofficial-photographers-on-the-set-of-the-dark-knight-rises/
Here's the excerpt where she mentions it:
They just released your first official still, but we also got a ton of unofficial material from the fans hanging around the set. How does that make you feel? Is it stealing your thunder and is there any concern about revealing too much about that final product?
It’s disappointing. I think everyone feels a slight frustration with it because those stills so undercut the work that’s being done. No, no one’s nervous about it. I mean, honestly, like, wait till you see this movie. Chris is doing insane things in it. And it’s gonna be marvelous and it’s gonna be way beyond what anyone imagines that it could be. You can’t imagine the things that he’s doing, at least I couldn’t until I read the script and I was like, ‘You’re really? Okay, you’re going there!” And it’s Chris Nolan; even the picture that he released of me, that’s not everything. That’s like a tenth of what the catsuit is. And I’ve got to say, I find it frustrating and I know he finds it frustrating, but I also think that he’s having fun with it, kind of like spooning out secrets. He has a lot more control than you think.
Read more: http://www.shockya.com/news/2011/08/09/anne-hathaway-addresses-the-invasion-of-unofficial-photographers-on-the-set-of-the-dark-knight-rises/#ixzz1Ud4VQB6d
Maybe the dumb ass studio shouldn't release a movie still that could potentially hurt the film's performance in theaters.
Dumb ass Warner bros.
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Anne Hathaway's hot, I'll watch it.
+1
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What is so cat-like about her in that picture?
Nothing really in that picture. According to what Hathaway said in this brief interview though, that isn't the entire outfit.
http://www.shockya.com/news/2011/08/09/anne-hathaway-addresses-the-invasion-of-unofficial-photographers-on-the-set-of-the-dark-knight-rises/
Here's the excerpt where she mentions it:
They just released your first official still, but we also got a ton of unofficial material from the fans hanging around the set. How does that make you feel? Is it stealing your thunder and is there any concern about revealing too much about that final product?
It’s disappointing. I think everyone feels a slight frustration with it because those stills so undercut the work that’s being done. No, no one’s nervous about it. I mean, honestly, like, wait till you see this movie. Chris is doing insane things in it. And it’s gonna be marvelous and it’s gonna be way beyond what anyone imagines that it could be. You can’t imagine the things that he’s doing, at least I couldn’t until I read the script and I was like, ‘You’re really? Okay, you’re going there!” And it’s Chris Nolan; even the picture that he released of me, that’s not everything. That’s like a tenth of what the catsuit is. And I’ve got to say, I find it frustrating and I know he finds it frustrating, but I also think that he’s having fun with it, kind of like spooning out secrets. He has a lot more control than you think.
Read more: http://www.shockya.com/news/2011/08/09/anne-hathaway-addresses-the-invasion-of-unofficial-photographers-on-the-set-of-the-dark-knight-rises/#ixzz1Ud4VQB6d
Maybe the dumb ass studio shouldn't release a movie still that could potentially hurt the film's performance in theaters.
Dumb ass Warner bros.
Agreed. That probably wasn't the smartest move on their part. Also, I've noticed their security on this movie must be lax as hell, because there have been hella fan shot videos leaking from some of the various movie sets of scenes from the movie. I think that probably hurts the movie too because people see these scenes out of context and with no effects added and they don't even make sense, but I think it probably still puts a negative image in people's minds.
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Anne Hathaway's hot, I'll watch it.
You've seen Havoc, right? She gets topless in that one a few times.
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Official The Dark Knight Rises trailer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GokKUqLcvD8
:o
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That dropped a bit over a week ago... but dope, nonetheless. The prologue has been a tad harder to find since the links keep getting taken down, but there's one on YouTube with shitty subtitles (since someone from outside of the U.S. tried to transcribe it and doesn't know English as well).
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That dropped a bit over a week ago... but dope, nonetheless. The prologue has been a tad harder to find since the links keep getting taken down, but there's one on YouTube with shitty subtitles (since someone from outside of the U.S. tried to transcribe it and doesn't know English as well).
Yeah. It's frustrating how tough they've made it to see the prologue, even legitimately. There are several Imax theaters within driving distance from where I live, but evidently the prologue is only playing on 70 mm Imax theaters, which I'm guessing none of the ones around here are because none of them are playing it. I know they're probably not really worried about under-promoting this movie, but really, they ought to make what basically amounts to an advertisement available for everyone to see.
Regarding the new regular trailer, I think they did a good job showing enough to get people interested without giving too much away.
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The official trailer was released last night:
http://tdkr07202012.com/
Any thoughts?
It just seems to get better and better. But it seems like a really long movie with a lot of twists and turns.
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I like everything about the trailer but... does anyone else think that the Catwoman outfit looks stupid?
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I like everything about the trailer but... does anyone else think that the Catwoman outfit looks stupid?
A little... not a big fan of the ears... but whatever. The characters in this aren't supposed to be as flashy as they are in the comics or in prior films, especially since Anne Hathaway's character has less emphasis on being cat-like in terms of the appearance of her outfit. But again, she's not the focus of the movie, just like how Two-Face wasn't the main concern of The Dark Knight.
With the legacy "ending" and Batman saying that he hasn't given everything, at least "not yet," it sounds like he's going to give his life. My assumption (though of course I would be totally off-base) is that he will sacrifice himself and die in the end, but assuming that the Lazarus Pit is in the movie, maybe Batman will die in the eyes of Gotham (while maybe someone else takes his place, or at least Gotham can defend itself from that point on) while his remains are taken to the Pit so he can be revived but live just as Bruce Wayne, which was a mission of his all along since the first movie.
Also, with everything coming full circle and linking to the first movie with the dialogue from Ra's Al Ghul, I was always bothered by a line from Batman Begins that I didn't think about until the new movie was announced. When Ra's is burning down Wayne Manor, he says "It should be you by my side," which then sounded like Bruce should've been riding with him. But in hindsight, with the ties to the first movie and Liam Neeson still being involved, I couldn't help but think he meant something like it should've been Bruce INSTEAD of someone else who he picked instead... which I'm assuming could've been Bane.
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Trailer looks pretty good. The Dark Knight will not be topped though. It's obvious Nolan went top heavy with stars to make up for the amazing Joker character played.
Anyway, I'm excited. Been waiting for this since 2008.
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Trailer looks pretty good. The Dark Knight will not be topped though. It's obvious Nolan went top heavy with stars to make up for the amazing Joker character played.
Anyway, I'm excited. Been waiting for this since 2008.
I wouldnt say that he went with "top heavy" stars. With the exception of Anne Hathaway (as you can't go with a no-name for Selina Kyle/Catwoman), everyone else who is new to the franchise (particularly Tom Hardy and Josh Gordon Levitt) had worked with Christopher Nolan before, particularly on Inception, as he likes to work with the same actors in other movies of his, like how the first Ra's al Ghul was the Japanese guy from Inception, or how the chick who we assume will be Talia al Ghul was also in Inception. Same thing with Alfred.
It's hard to say if it will or will not top The Dark Knight. A lot of it was fueled by Heath Ledger's portrayal of the Joker and also by his death, but there has been a lot of hype around this one as well, just for different reasons. Real comic book fans are aware of how Bane was likely the hardest and most intelligent villain Batman ever faced, so theyve been waiting for a legit portrayal especially after the Batman & Robin fiasco. Even though far more people know Joker than Bane (and the vast majority of the general population who does know Bane only knows him from the other movie), they have presented him in a very effective way that makes people want to see him because he's just so different from the Joker, in a good way. But they are making out to be a bad guy to be feared, one who will fuck up you and is cryptic in his words but almost poetic...
"Now is not the time for fear, doctor... That comes later."
"When Gotham is ashes... You have my permission to die."
"I am Gotham's reckoning."
"Your punishment must be more severe."
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I grow more and more weary of the last two films as time passes. Which isn't to deny that they are the best super hero films ever, because they are (though I really liked Punisher Warzone). What I mean is I'm not hyped for this film. I was when I just finished watching Dark Knight for the first time. I'll watch it and I'll still enjoy it more than any of the past Marvel films, but now I'm going in expected to find a whole bunch of things wrong with it. I wasn't that way with Dark Knight before it came out. I had my issues with BEgins but not as many as I do now. Throw in the issues I have with DK and I can't get myself excited over DK Rises.
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I like everything about the trailer but... does anyone else think that the Catwoman outfit looks stupid?
Wasn't a fan at first, but the new trailer has me more convinced it'll work
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I grow more and more weary of the last two films as time passes. Which isn't to deny that they are the best super hero films ever, because they are (though I really liked Punisher Warzone). What I mean is I'm not hyped for this film. I was when I just finished watching Dark Knight for the first time. I'll watch it and I'll still enjoy it more than any of the past Marvel films, but now I'm going in expected to find a whole bunch of things wrong with it. I wasn't that way with Dark Knight before it came out. I had my issues with BEgins but not as many as I do now. Throw in the issues I have with DK and I can't get myself excited over DK Rises.
What are the "issues" you have with The Dark Knight?
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Anyway, I'm excited. Been waiting for this since 2008.
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I grow more and more weary of the last two films as time passes. Which isn't to deny that they are the best super hero films ever, because they are (though I really liked Punisher Warzone). What I mean is I'm not hyped for this film. I was when I just finished watching Dark Knight for the first time. I'll watch it and I'll still enjoy it more than any of the past Marvel films, but now I'm going in expected to find a whole bunch of things wrong with it. I wasn't that way with Dark Knight before it came out. I had my issues with Begins but not as many as I do now. Throw in the issues I have with DK and I can't get myself excited over DK Rises.
What are the "issues" you have with The Dark Knight?
Nothing overly major that ruins the film for me, but I thought the two Face story at the end was way too rushed and a bit unbelievable (within the confines of the already unbelievable DC universe). There was no teasing of a dark side for Harvey Dent at all during the film, and no reason for him to jump to the psychopath he became. It's one thing to go nuts after losing your girl thanks to a fucked up police force. It's another to contemplate killing a child.
Now I'm usually not a "in the comics" guy because what works in comic books and what works in film are very different, and also a lot of conflicting portrayals occurred "in the comics" over the years. That being said; in one aspect of the comics Two Face isn't really a villain in the criminal sense. He's a split personality torn between the two ways of fighting crime. One side wants to put them on trial and get them convicted, the other wants to punish them right where they stand. Neither side wants to kill an innocent child. And regardless of what the comics say it just seemed silly watching it on screen.
The accident with his face combines the two personalities and creates one entity that has no preference of which of the two ways to treat the criminals, so he lets the coin decide. Two Face wants justice. One side wants it done through the process of the law, the other wants to take the law into his own hands.
And one little thing that really irked me was when that employee of Wayne Tech discovered the Tumbler as being part of Wayne Enterprises and he brought it to the attention of Lucius; Lucius just jumped to the conclusion that the guy was accusing Bruce of being Batman. As far as anyone is concerned Bruce is the party boy billionaire heir that just owns Wayne Enterprises because of his birthright. Most everyone that works there assumes Lucius is in fact running the daily operations while Bruce just collects the cash. There is absolutely no reason for this guy to think the Tumbler being part of Wayne means Bruce is Batman, and even less of a reason to for Lucius to think this guy is accusing Bruce.
If anything, the logical reason for the Tumbler is that Lucius is running some secret vigilante program using a Batman or group of soldiers dressed as the Batman to fight crime in Gotham. Nothing anyone knows about Bruce would imply that he himself is even capable of being Batman.
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Nothing overly major that ruins the film for me, but I thought the two Face story at the end was way too rushed and a bit unbelievable (within the confines of the already unbelievable DC universe). There was no teasing of a dark side for Harvey Dent at all during the film, and no reason for him to jump to the psychopath he became. It's one thing to go nuts after losing your girl thanks to a fucked up police force. It's another to contemplate killing a child.
I get what you mean about the Two-Face story having been rushed and squished into such a short timeframe after the Joker had been captured. But again, they weren't pushing Two-Face to resemble the yin-and-yang dichotomy of the Two-Face from the comics -- he was a reinvented character, just like everyone else in Nolan's trilogy. His "dark side" was pretty tame (and really only came out when he held the guy at gunpoint when Batman intervened) and not exactly like a split personality, but it was amplified in a manner that you explained very well, actually. His "jump to the psychopath he became" was a bit sudden, but I don't think the transformation was presented with "no reason." Remember that he wasn't really a villain -- the only people he wanted to punish were those who he believed shouldered some responsibility for what happened to him and Rachel. And it's not as if he went out late at night looking for every firstborn of Gotham -- the only reason he was in a position to kill Commissioner Gordon's family was because he wanted Gordon to know what it felt like to be in his shoes when he was pleading to Rachel (over the intercom) that everything would be okay when she ended up dying anyway.
Now I'm usually not a "in the comics" guy because what works in comic books and what works in film are very different, and also a lot of conflicting portrayals occurred "in the comics" over the years. That being said; in one aspect of the comics Two Face isn't really a villain in the criminal sense. He's a split personality torn between the two ways of fighting crime. One side wants to put them on trial and get them convicted, the other wants to punish them right where they stand. Neither side wants to kill an innocent child. And regardless of what the comics say it just seemed silly watching it on screen.
But even in the comics, while Two-Face was still a villain overall. It's not as if "heads" meant that he would save a cat from a burning tree or "tails" meant that he would rob a bank -- it only determined the fate of his victims, for the most part, not quite whether or not he would commit a crime. The Harvey Dent personality of Two-Face wasn't still out for justice the way he was as a district attorney, whereas the Two-Face from The Dark Knight movie, as you said, was out for his new perception of justice (and not being a villain doing bad-guy things), but again, like the comic book presentation of the character, consulted his coin to determine whether or not he would let someone live. It wasn't something done to determine who wins between two sides of a dichotomy but to be the deciding factor of what happens next. The Two-Face of The Dark Knight was still just one person with one mindset.
The accident with his face combines the two personalities and creates one entity that has no preference of which of the two ways to treat the criminals, so he lets the coin decide. Two Face wants justice. One side wants it done through the process of the law, the other wants to take the law into his own hands.
If you're referring to the Two-Face from the movie, I don't think that the coin is deciding whether justice is coming from the law or from his own hands -- it was only whether or not he is administering justice. The coin dictating that he ends up not killing the person himself didn't mean that he was turning them in to the police, it just meant that he wouldn't kill them, hence the Joker being let go, but because Two-Face still did feel the Joker had some responsibility for what happened, he flipped the coin on him, but he lucked out.
And one little thing that really irked me was when that employee of Wayne Tech discovered the Tumbler as being part of Wayne Enterprises and he brought it to the attention of Lucius; Lucius just jumped to the conclusion that the guy was accusing Bruce of being Batman. As far as anyone is concerned Bruce is the party boy billionaire heir that just owns Wayne Enterprises because of his birthright. Most everyone that works there assumes Lucius is in fact running the daily operations while Bruce just collects the cash. There is absolutely no reason for this guy to think the Tumbler being part of Wayne means Bruce is Batman, and even less of a reason to for Lucius to think this guy is accusing Bruce.
If anything, the logical reason for the Tumbler is that Lucius is running some secret vigilante program using a Batman or group of soldiers dressed as the Batman to fight crime in Gotham. Nothing anyone knows about Bruce would imply that he himself is even capable of being Batman.
Again, you bring up a good point, since the Tumbler having originally been designed by Wayne Tech doesn't necessarily equate to Bruce Wayne being Batman. But when that employee ended up on the TV show, he was there to reveal Batman's identity (which was stated in the captions on the TV), so it's safe to assume that he had deduced that Batman was Bruce Wayne, even though he didn't insinuate that to Lucius. But after Bruce had saved him when crashing his Lamborghini, the guy and Bruce exchanged looks when the police arrived, almost as if they had come to some sort of silent, unspoken understanding.
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I wasn't trying to describe the true Two Face and comparing him to Nolan's Two Face. I was simply pointing out the type of Two face that I like and would like to have seen on screen, and pointing out all the things about Nolan's Two Face that I didn't like. It's just an opinion on what I felt about the film.
As for the Wayne Tech guy, if anything he didn't deduce shit, Lucius Fox gave away the identity of Batman as Bruce when Lucius jumped to the conclusion tat this guy thinks it's Wayne. All the employee said was that he found out the Tumbler is one of the projects worked on by Wayne Tech. My complaint isn't bas much about the guy being able to figure it out as it is about Fox acting so stupid about it. Lucius Fox is much more clever. I don't mean Lucius in the comics or Lucius as I envision him, but the actual Lucius Fox from the film. He wouldn't make such a stupid mistake. And if he did it should be presented as such with in the film; that he really fucked up. Now if said employee was Edward Nigma then perhaps that'd be acceptable.
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I wasn't trying to describe the true Two Face and comparing him to Nolan's Two Face. I was simply pointing out the type of Two face that I like and would like to have seen on screen, and pointing out all the things about Nolan's Two Face that I didn't like. It's just an opinion on what I felt about the film.
As for the Wayne Tech guy, if anything he didn't deduce shit, Lucius Fox gave away the identity of Batman as Bruce when Lucius jumped to the conclusion tat this guy thinks it's Wayne. All the employee said was that he found out the Tumbler is one of the projects worked on by Wayne Tech. My complaint isn't bas much about the guy being able to figure it out as it is about Fox acting so stupid about it. Lucius Fox is much more clever. I don't mean Lucius in the comics or Lucius as I envision him, but the actual Lucius Fox from the film. He wouldn't make such a stupid mistake. And if he did it should be presented as such with in the film; that he really fucked up. Now if said employee was Edward Nigma then perhaps that'd be acceptable.
Okay cool, I get what you meant about your Two-Face discussions.
But if anything, I get what you mean, now that I re-watch the scene between Lucius and Coleman Reese (who, in the wake of your ironic mention of Edward Nigma, sometimes dubbed "Mr. E/Mystery," was interestingly called "Mr. Reese/Mysteries" by Lucius as some people have noticed), he didn't say anything about Bruce Wayne being Batman while it was indeed Lucius who said that Reese was alleging that his "client" (Bruce) was secretly a vigilante, but that doesn't mean that it was something the Reese didn't already think of.
You bring up a good point about that scenario, but I do still think that Reese knew even though he did not say Bruce = Batman (or anything close to it) specifically while Lucius did. His character was first introduced during the meeting between Lucius and Lau (the Chinese guy) when Bruce was sleeping in his seat, and Reese approached Lucius about the finances being a bit chaotic with how the money is spent (did he call it a trust account?), while Lucius told him to not worry about it but just to make sure that it is replenished, which he said he had already done as Lucius started to walk away. It would be hard to figure out that Reese, an accountant who obviously couldn't have been a total moron to have made his way to a company like Wayne Tech to oversee their finances, couldn't put two and two together... noticing that cash is burning at an alarming rate with no knowledge of what it went toward, Bruce Wayne being passed out (obviously due to a long night), finding the blueprints for the Tumbler (clearly Batman's vehicle) having been originally developed by Lucius/Wayne Tech (again owned by Bruce Wayne, who in Batman Begins when he returned to Gotham took a position within the "Applied Sciences" department, which Reese said "disappeared overnight" while finding the Tumbler information associated with it), etc.
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I wasn't trying to describe the true Two Face and comparing him to Nolan's Two Face. I was simply pointing out the type of Two face that I like and would like to have seen on screen, and pointing out all the things about Nolan's Two Face that I didn't like. It's just an opinion on what I felt about the film.
As for the Wayne Tech guy, if anything he didn't deduce shit, Lucius Fox gave away the identity of Batman as Bruce when Lucius jumped to the conclusion tat this guy thinks it's Wayne. All the employee said was that he found out the Tumbler is one of the projects worked on by Wayne Tech. My complaint isn't bas much about the guy being able to figure it out as it is about Fox acting so stupid about it. Lucius Fox is much more clever. I don't mean Lucius in the comics or Lucius as I envision him, but the actual Lucius Fox from the film. He wouldn't make such a stupid mistake. And if he did it should be presented as such with in the film; that he really fucked up. Now if said employee was Edward Nigma then perhaps that'd be acceptable.
Okay cool, I get what you meant about your Two-Face discussions.
But if anything, I get what you mean, now that I re-watch the scene between Lucius and Coleman Reese (who, in the wake of your ironic mention of Edward Nigma, sometimes dubbed "Mr. E/Mystery," was interestingly called "Mr. Reese/Mysteries" by Lucius as some people have noticed), he didn't say anything about Bruce Wayne being Batman while it was indeed Lucius who said that Reese was alleging that his "client" (Bruce) was secretly a vigilante, but that doesn't mean that it was something the Reese didn't already think of.
You bring up a good point about that scenario, but I do still think that Reese knew even though he did not say Bruce = Batman (or anything close to it) specifically while Lucius did. His character was first introduced during the meeting between Lucius and Lau (the Chinese guy) when Bruce was sleeping in his seat, and Reese approached Lucius about the finances being a bit chaotic with how the money is spent (did he call it a trust account?), while Lucius told him to not worry about it but just to make sure that it is replenished, which he said he had already done as Lucius started to walk away. It would be hard to figure out that Reese, an accountant who obviously couldn't have been a total moron to have made his way to a company like Wayne Tech to oversee their finances, couldn't put two and two together... noticing that cash is burning at an alarming rate with no knowledge of what it went toward, Bruce Wayne being passed out (obviously due to a long night), finding the blueprints for the Tumbler (clearly Batman's vehicle) having been originally developed by Lucius/Wayne Tech (again owned by Bruce Wayne, who in Batman Begins when he returned to Gotham took a position within the "Applied Sciences" department, which Reese said "disappeared overnight" while finding the Tumbler information associated with it), etc.
Obviously the idea of the film was that the guy was thinking it was Bruce. Still a big jump in logic for anyone to connect a passed out billionaire playboy to having the physical ability to the Batman. The logical deductive reasoning would make someone think Fox somehow got Bruce to basically hand him the company and run it, thus explaining the huge increases in the Science department. And after taking it over Fox is the one that started a secret Batman project using all of these Wayne Tech gadgets. There is more than enough evidence to connect Batman to Wayne Tech, but nothing to make anyone think Bruce Wayne is even capable of being Batman.
Nolan tries his best to set his Gotham in the real world. Imagine in the real world there was a real life crime fighter with all these super gadgets and someone connected the hero's car to Apple. Would you think that the hero is working for the guy currently running the company or that Lisa Brennan-Jobs is dressing up in a costume and fighting crime?
The real world would leak the fact that Apple created the guys car and then Apple would release a statement saying they created several prototypes sold to weapons companies employed by the military and then the search for the hero would start with a discharged higher up in the military who ran off with one of the cars and uses it to fight crime. It just makes no sense to me to assume that the heir to company that created the car is the guy in the suit.
Now if you were to find reports of Bruce Wayne being arrested in Tibet for assaulting a group of seven men after being caught trying to steal Wayne Tech merchandise then you have grounds to believe there is more to Bruce Wayne than meets the eye. The accountant could have easily found an expense hidden in the books paid out to a bunch of jails over the world and digging deep the accountant could see that there were several cases where Bruce had been arrested for fighting and defeating 5 to 6 men at a time. But the film didn't go that route.
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But they didn't have to go that route. I get the Apple analogy, but that doesn't apply here -- Bruce is a guy who is pretty fit. Sure, Reese hasn't seem him without his shirt or fighting ten guys at once, but it's obvious that Bruce is neither twiggy for flabby, and with his size and frame, he could fit the description.
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But they didn't have to go that route. I get the Apple analogy, but that doesn't apply here -- Bruce is a guy who is pretty fit. Sure, Reese hasn't seem him without his shirt or fighting ten guys at once, but it's obvious that Bruce is neither twiggy for flabby, and with his size and frame, he could fit the description.
Yeah, but being fit and being able to fight ten guys at once are two completely different things. Basic common sense would lead someone to places of experienced combat. We would automatically assume Government conspiracy or rogue military commando.
For one reason more than any a government run super hero is really the only way to assume it. This isn't the 1930s. In modern America what happened in Gotham in both films would be a federal matter. There is no city run mental asylum and any multi-national organized crime rings would be FBI as well as Gotham PD, and the idea that there is a Batman would make the government want to know who the Batman is. And there's no fucking way the US Government couldn't track Batman in a matter of days.
Let's be serious here; no intelligent human being faced with the evidence presented would assume that any celebrity or heir was the Batman before they assumed it was a government related project. The first answer to the Tumbler is that Wayne Tech sold it to the military and someone with in the government is Batman. The second is Wayne Tech is running the Batman project on it's own. It is such a leap to assume it's Bruce, given what is known about Bruce.
I fully understand the ideas of teasing Bruce is Batman in certain situations, but the entire Mr Reese part of the plot was pointless and unrealistic with in the world.
It was plain and simple bad writing.
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A couple of new TV spots have been played and are also on YouTube.
Both have footage already seen, but have a few new things. One has Bruce Wayne doing push-ups (like in the teaser) and approaching Lucius Fox asking him to get him "back in the game" while showcasing the Batwing (or whatever they're calling it) a bit more. The second one has more stuff of Catwoman, though at the end, it shows Bruce Wayne talking to the valet who says, "Your wife said that you were taking a cab home," and Bruce replies, "My wife!?!" while cutting to Selina Kyle driving away in Bruce's Lamborghini Aventador.
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Some new spoilers came out.
Apparently at some point Batman goes underground since that's where Bane's hideout is, which may be where the fight scenes of them take place (rather than in the Batcave, which is what some people thought due to the backdrop). Bane ends up kidnapping Commissioner Gordon at some point too, which might be why he was in the hospital in the teaser trailer. Also, the weapon that Batman is seen holding while sitting on the Batpod is something that basically shuts down stuff (in this case, vehicles).
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Everything that's coming out has me more excited for this.
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Also I've been reading that some of the test audiences for the movie have been crying or tearing up. Must be a really crazy story.
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DON'T READ THIS IF YOU DON'T WANT ANY SPOILERS...
Anyway, I read one critic's review that includes some spoilers, but nothing about the ending, so it's not completely bad if you read this.
Basically Bane shows up and starts fucking up Gotham, particularly after organized crime pretty much disappeared after the events of The Dark Knight with the Harvey Dent Act. He basically takes over the Gotham Stock Exchange and wreaks havoc, which not only makes Bruce want to return as Batman but also messes with his wealth. Gotham PD is lured underground where Bane and his crew are posted up, but they end up getting ambushed/trapped, like in the trailers. He eventually defeats Batman, terrorizes Gotham's wealthy by breaking into their homes and attacking them while also freeing a bunch of criminals, and everyone is trapped there since it's pretty much on an island where the bridges had been destroyed
Bruce gets sent to that "prison" at the bottom of the well, where it is stated that Bane was born while having been the only person to have escaped. Also, Bane (as some anticipated) ends up having crossed paths with the League of Shadows. Rhas Al Ghul makes a cameo (though I'm not sure if he was still alive or if it's a flashback to the events Batman Begins though it's clear that Liam Neeson filmed footage) and so does Scarecrow, who is a makeshift "judge" in the courtroom scene where criminals take over.
Gordon-Levitt is a cop who started out in an orphanage funded by Wayne Enterprises. Many have confirmed that he's not Robin (who Nolan said would never appear in his trilogy)... but maybe he ends up becoming Nightwing or something.
The same article mentioned that there was a "surprise" regarding the masks, so I'm curious what it is.
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Pre-ordered tickets motherfuckers. 8)
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Pre-ordered tickets motherfuckers. 8)
same here.
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Pre-ordered tickets motherfuckers. 8)
same here.
I haven't, but considering how hyped it is, I'm sure I'll be standing in line but I don't see it being impossible to watch. Damn near every theater around me is playing it at midnight, and some are playing it on multiple screens around midnight... I just looked it up, and here are the ones playing on Thursday night (at or after midnight) within 10 miles:
Island Cinema - 6 screens
Edwards Metro Pointe - 3 screens
AMC Tustin - 5 screens
Century 20 Huntington Beach - 7 screens
AMC Orange - 8 screens + 1 IMAX
Edwards Irvine Spectrum - 18 screens + 2 IMAX
I had looked on Monday, and a few of those theaters have increased their number of screenings since then, so it's possible it'll be up on more screens too.
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Greatest trilogy ever.
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am i gonna get shot for posting in this thread?
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I was very pleased with the film. I felt the pacing was the best of the series. The other two both either went to far with the story or dragged on or both. I liked the explanation of Bane and the reasons he is there, and I liked how it ended. I have less complaints than I have of the other two films. Joker alone makes me lean towards the last film being best, but this is pretty close.
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yep dope movie really enjoyed, might even go to see again
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I was very pleased with the film. I felt the pacing was the best of the series. The other two both either went to far with the story or dragged on or both. I liked the explanation of Bane and the reasons he is there, and I liked how it ended. I have less complaints than I have of the other two films. Joker alone makes me lean towards the last film being best, but this is pretty close.
If Shallow likes this movie, then god damn this movie has to be good. I have learned one thing about a Shallow review, a short good review is most people's 5 stars. A short paragraph complaint is like 4 stars, and a modest rant is like 3 stars, and a long page rant is a dud to him but must be a blockbuster smash that my wife will actually watch with me.
Can't wait to see it.
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I was very pleased with the film. I felt the pacing was the best of the series. The other two both either went to far with the story or dragged on or both. I liked the explanation of Bane and the reasons he is there, and I liked how it ended. I have less complaints than I have of the other two films. Joker alone makes me lean towards the last film being best, but this is pretty close.
I've already seen the movie twice (once at midnight on Thursday, and again last night with my girlfriend), and I agree with a lot of what you said. Even though this one is longer, the pace was good, as you stated... and despite its length, I never really got bored or felt like I was waiting for something to happen, though there were cases of that in The Dark Knight. Obviously the portrayal of the Joker is hard to beat (in terms of Heath Ledger's performance), but the way they portrayed Bane overall was VERY good, maybe even better. I'd say that his dialogue was better than what they wrote for the Joker while making him the most dangerous villain (while being dangerous in a variety of ways) in the trilogy, which is what I felt separates Bane from the others... he is more intelligent than Joker, stronger than Batman (and possibly more skilled in hand-to-hand combat), while being far more feared. Joker, on the other hand, was dangerous but not feared ("We're not intimidated by your thugs") and never really had people bow down to him (as the mob bosses only got scared once he pulled out grenades or when in a situation where they were going to get killed anyway... Bane struck fear in everyone while also being able to kick damn near everyone's asses.
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I was very pleased with the film. I felt the pacing was the best of the series. The other two both either went to far with the story or dragged on or both. I liked the explanation of Bane and the reasons he is there, and I liked how it ended. I have less complaints than I have of the other two films. Joker alone makes me lean towards the last film being best, but this is pretty close.
I've already seen the movie twice (once at midnight on Thursday, and again last night with my girlfriend), and I agree with a lot of what you said. Even though this one is longer, the pace was good, as you stated... and despite its length, I never really got bored or felt like I was waiting for something to happen, though there were cases of that in The Dark Knight. Obviously the portrayal of the Joker is hard to beat (in terms of Heath Ledger's performance), but the way they portrayed Bane overall was VERY good, maybe even better. I'd say that his dialogue was better than what they wrote for the Joker while making him the most dangerous villain (while being dangerous in a variety of ways) in the trilogy, which is what I felt separates Bane from the others... he is more intelligent than Joker, stronger than Batman (and possibly more skilled in hand-to-hand combat), while being far more feared. Joker, on the other hand, was dangerous but not feared ("We're not intimidated by your thugs") and never really had people bow down to him (as the mob bosses only got scared once he pulled out grenades or when in a situation where they were going to get killed anyway... Bane struck fear in everyone while also being able to kick damn near everyone's asses.
Ledger's performance is far and away the best acting in the seriers. It's not even close. But also, the actual cinematic portrayal of the Joker in certain scenes make for more powerful moments than anything they did with Bane. Not that I'm knocking Bane. But the intro scene setting up Joker simply better with the bank heist over the plane scene with Bane. And the scene where Joker kills the fake Batman on TV was just downright nerve racking. Heath and Nolan made you a little on edge and nervous every time Joker was on the screen by the end of the film. It's in large part what made Two-Face so noneffective in my opinion. We just saw the scariest dude in the series for 2 hours, what the hell can Two-Face do that won't seem like a watered down version? The answer is nothing. You simply don't follow the king, you let him end the show.
It'd be like letting Jay Leno do a 30 minute stand up routine to end the show after you just watch two hours of Richard Pryor. The truth is that even if it's Bill Hicks with the best 30 minutes of his career, you're still too drained to care.
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Reports came out during the Dark Knight shooting that Nolan had originally set up the story for Two Face to be the main villain in part 3, but changed the script so that Joker could continue in part 3 and basically Two-Face was an after though. Harvey Dent was so important to the series that I felt Two-Faces death at the end of the movie was wasted. But that's only after 4 years of watching my Dark Knight Blu Ray that I can actually point out it's flaws. But there was word coming off the set that Nolan was so much in love with Joker that he wanted him in part 3, and he was proud he didn't kill Joker. Sadly, we all saw what happened to Heath Ledger and Nolan said his done with the Joker after that. But even the dialog in Dark Knight pointed to an endless battle between Joker and Batman.
Fast forward to Dark Knight Rises, I have not seen it yet, but if Shallow says it's good then I'll go with it. I think the Dark Knight's pacing was intentionally jerky. Ledgers performance as Joker dominated the movie and the movie seemed to be at the Joker's pacing. It was almost like the movie was made so you felt like you are in either Batman's mind trying to defeat the Joker, or you were in Joker's mind. Either way, it seemed the pacing was meant to be jerky and uneven to give the feel of unpredictability the first time you want it. After a few watching the low parts get really low and the high parts are really intense. With Bane being a very smart and calculating villain, I can imagine that the pacing would be more even. Bane in the comics is a very even character, sometimes too cocky and always dangerous and intelligent.
As I said, I can't wait to see this, it's the first time I have ever NOT seen Batman on opening days since Batman Returns. This is also the first time a Batman movie came out since I had been married and my wife really wants me to wait until my birthday, but this is very very hard.
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Ledger's performance is far and away the best acting in the seriers. It's not even close. But also, the actual cinematic portrayal of the Joker in certain scenes make for more powerful moments than anything they did with Bane. Not that I'm knocking Bane. But the intro scene setting up Joker simply better with the bank heist over the plane scene with Bane. And the scene where Joker kills the fake Batman on TV was just downright nerve racking. Heath and Nolan made you a little on edge and nervous every time Joker was on the screen by the end of the film.
They're just two different approaches, but I think Bane's scenes are just so brutal and more effective while showing that he is far less compassionate than Joker, who in most scenes gives people the chance to survive by killing each other, like when recruiting Gamble's men or when he threatened to blow up the hospital of that one Wayne Enterprises employee wasn't killed or when the two boats had triggers to blow up the other boat (though I realize he was going to do it himself, but only after neither boat triggered the explosion). On the flipside, Bane (and his men) are the ones to inflict pain and suffering and just do it without the other people having a shot at survival.
Nolan had to really tone down a lot of the violence, as a lot of what are really the most disturbing parts aren't even really seen, such as the scene where Bane breaks Dr. Pavel's neck or when he kills Daggett, though you can hear him screaming in the background. And even the three bodies of the U.S. Special Forces hanging from the bridge are only seen from a distance on the TV in Bruce's cell, and those scenes are actually pretty harsh for what they are. I'm almost surprised that it's not an R-rated movie for how brutal it was.
Either way, it's good that you liked it... I have no idea how anyone didn't like it, as the review put up on CNN was by a complete moron who had odd expectations of it.
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Ledger's performance is far and away the best acting in the seriers. It's not even close. But also, the actual cinematic portrayal of the Joker in certain scenes make for more powerful moments than anything they did with Bane. Not that I'm knocking Bane. But the intro scene setting up Joker simply better with the bank heist over the plane scene with Bane. And the scene where Joker kills the fake Batman on TV was just downright nerve racking. Heath and Nolan made you a little on edge and nervous every time Joker was on the screen by the end of the film.
They're just two different approaches, but I think Bane's scenes are just so brutal and more effective while showing that he is far less compassionate than Joker, who in most scenes gives people the chance to survive by killing each other, like when recruiting Gamble's men or when he threatened to blow up the hospital of that one Wayne Enterprises employee wasn't killed or when the two boats had triggers to blow up the other boat (though I realize he was going to do it himself, but only after neither boat triggered the explosion). On the flipside, Bane (and his men) are the ones to inflict pain and suffering and just do it without the other people having a shot at survival.
Nolan had to really tone down a lot of the violence, as a lot of what are really the most disturbing parts aren't even really seen, such as the scene where Bane breaks Dr. Pavel's neck or when he kills Daggett, though you can hear him screaming in the background. And even the three bodies of the U.S. Special Forces hanging from the bridge are only seen from a distance on the TV in Bruce's cell, and those scenes are actually pretty harsh for what they are. I'm almost surprised that it's not an R-rated movie for how brutal it was.
Either way, it's good that you liked it... I have no idea how anyone didn't like it, as the review put up on CNN was by a complete moron who had odd expectations of it.
CNN had 2 reviews, one positive and one negative. The negative one put politics into it and once you put liberal politics in a superhero movie, you show yourself as a moron.
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I read that the box office numbers were at around $160 million, making it the third-biggest opening weekend (behind The Avengers and one of the Harry Potter movies). I wonder how much better it would've done if it weren't for the shootings... I don't doubt that it prevented some people (especially with children) from going. But I think this movie has a tad more replay value than the others, so perhaps the numbers will stay strong (and maybe even continue to pick up) since people will want to watch it more than once, while some of the people who were scared away by the shootings will obviously still watch it again, especially with the good reviews.
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I read that the box office numbers were at around $160 million, making it the third-biggest opening weekend (behind The Avengers and one of the Harry Potter movies). I wonder how much better it would've done if it weren't for the shootings... I don't doubt that it prevented some people (especially with children) from going. But I think this movie has a tad more replay value than the others, so perhaps the numbers will stay strong (and maybe even continue to pick up) since people will want to watch it more than once, while some of the people who were scared away by the shootings will obviously still watch it again, especially with the good reviews.
I know people who didn't go Friday or Saturday due to the shootings... I didn't start getting friend reviews on Facebook until Sunday. It had a bigger midnight showing than the Avengers then it feel hard. So I think the shooting hurt this movie's box office greatly.
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Nolan is doing Superman coming out next Summer. Should be interesting. Nolan doesn't miss.
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Reports came out during the Dark Knight shooting that Nolan had originally set up the story for Two Face to be the main villain in part 3, but changed the script so that Joker could continue in part 3 and basically Two-Face was an after though. Harvey Dent was so important to the series that I felt Two-Faces death at the end of the movie was wasted. But that's only after 4 years of watching my Dark Knight Blu Ray that I can actually point out it's flaws. But there was word coming off the set that Nolan was so much in love with Joker that he wanted him in part 3, and he was proud he didn't kill Joker. Sadly, we all saw what happened to Heath Ledger and Nolan said his done with the Joker after that. But even the dialog in Dark Knight pointed to an endless battle between Joker and Batman.
Fast forward to Dark Knight Rises, I have not seen it yet, but if Shallow says it's good then I'll go with it. I think the Dark Knight's pacing was intentionally jerky. Ledgers performance as Joker dominated the movie and the movie seemed to be at the Joker's pacing. It was almost like the movie was made so you felt like you are in either Batman's mind trying to defeat the Joker, or you were in Joker's mind. Either way, it seemed the pacing was meant to be jerky and uneven to give the feel of unpredictability the first time you want it. After a few watching the low parts get really low and the high parts are really intense. With Bane being a very smart and calculating villain, I can imagine that the pacing would be more even. Bane in the comics is a very even character, sometimes too cocky and always dangerous and intelligent.
As I said, I can't wait to see this, it's the first time I have ever NOT seen Batman on opening days since Batman Returns. This is also the first time a Batman movie came out since I had been married and my wife really wants me to wait until my birthday, but this is very very hard.
The main flaw in the pacing for mew wasn't during the Joker/Batman stuff, it was the 45 minute Two-Face movie that came after Joker was defeated. It really dragged out the film.
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Nolan is doing Superman coming out next Summer. Should be interesting. Nolan doesn't miss.
Just to clarify, he is producing the movie but not directing it.
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Reports came out during the Dark Knight shooting that Nolan had originally set up the story for Two Face to be the main villain in part 3, but changed the script so that Joker could continue in part 3 and basically Two-Face was an after though. Harvey Dent was so important to the series that I felt Two-Faces death at the end of the movie was wasted. But that's only after 4 years of watching my Dark Knight Blu Ray that I can actually point out it's flaws. But there was word coming off the set that Nolan was so much in love with Joker that he wanted him in part 3, and he was proud he didn't kill Joker. Sadly, we all saw what happened to Heath Ledger and Nolan said his done with the Joker after that. But even the dialog in Dark Knight pointed to an endless battle between Joker and Batman.
Fast forward to Dark Knight Rises, I have not seen it yet, but if Shallow says it's good then I'll go with it. I think the Dark Knight's pacing was intentionally jerky. Ledgers performance as Joker dominated the movie and the movie seemed to be at the Joker's pacing. It was almost like the movie was made so you felt like you are in either Batman's mind trying to defeat the Joker, or you were in Joker's mind. Either way, it seemed the pacing was meant to be jerky and uneven to give the feel of unpredictability the first time you want it. After a few watching the low parts get really low and the high parts are really intense. With Bane being a very smart and calculating villain, I can imagine that the pacing would be more even. Bane in the comics is a very even character, sometimes too cocky and always dangerous and intelligent.
As I said, I can't wait to see this, it's the first time I have ever NOT seen Batman on opening days since Batman Returns. This is also the first time a Batman movie came out since I had been married and my wife really wants me to wait until my birthday, but this is very very hard.
The main flaw in the pacing for mew wasn't during the Joker/Batman stuff, it was the 45 minute Two-Face movie that came after Joker was defeated. It really dragged out the film.
I kind of agree, but overall I didn't have an issue with it. Nolan fell into the same trap as Rami fell into, and that's putting too much into a movie because of the change in direction mid-shooting. Nolan wanted Joker to be the star in part 2, after scripting Two-Face for part 3. I remember being annoyed that Joker was to create Two-Face in the court scene in part 3, but instead Nolan wanted more Joker and so he had to wrap up the Dent storyline. You can't predict your star will die like Ledger did, but looking back I'd still have Dent not turn into Two Face until part 3. That will be Nolan's biggest flaw in the series. I will say though, after watching Spiderman 3 the year prior, Nolan's error was not nearly as bad as Rami's, Spiderman 3 was just horrible.
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so there is not gonna be a part 4 at all right?
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so there is not gonna be a part 4 at all right?
not after that shooting
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Such a dope movie. Blows Avengers out of the way.
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This movie is fucking dope :o
I may lean towards pt.2 being slightly better due to Ledger's performance but it's REALLY close
And let me say that I LOVED Tom Hardy's performance as Bane -- I literally have 0 complaints. He's a bad ass, the shit he does is fucked up (he's a way worse criminal than Joker)...I even liked the accent, thought it complimented the character well.
And above all, his dialogue was AMAZING!! His lines were just incredible.
Tom Hardy is quickly becoming my favorite\ actor (Inception & The Warrior)
What a fantastic film
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like it, but tdk was better imo.
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like it, but tdk was better imo.
It was better only because of Ledger's performance. The story of TDKR is a lot better.
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no, not just couse of ledger.
I prefer the super villain, and mob mixed story than super villain only.
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After watching Dark Knight just before Dark Knight Rises this weekend, I am going to give the edge to Dark Knight for the Joker reason alone. Ledger's performance was so good that despite all of Dark Knight's rough parts, it was more enjoyable to watch. Dark Knight Rises was a better written movie, that flowed much better and the story didn't feel altered in the way Dark Knight did at the end with the Two-Face scenes. Bane was a monster, Catwoman was sexy and added character to a very dark film, the story was very Bruce Wayne focused instead of Batman focused and it brought in everything from the first two movies beautifully, and it had the best twist at the end I could imagine. But Ledger as Joker truly was hard to match. I hate comparing movies, and I went into Dark Knight Rises not trying to compare them, and I think this helped me enjoy Dark Knight Rises greatly. On it's own Dark Knight Rises is a great movie, better than the Avengers and better than the Amazing Spiderman. Dark Knight Rises to me is the second greatest superhero movie ever created and the best storytelling in any superhero movie. It had the depth that a Chris Nolan film would have, and the depth he didn't have in the other Batman films. But at the end of the day, I feel like a broken record, it's Ledger as Joker. Either way, the top 2 superhero movies to me are Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises and that in itself speaks volumes to how much energy and effort Nolan, Bale and the rest of the cast put into making the Batman story a special treat for the fans.
I would post my spin on how to reboot the franchise and get the new Superman movies to lead into a Justice League movie, but no one has posted spoilers and I'm not even going to hint at anything that could ruin this movie for anyone who hasn't seen it. Just go see it.
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no, not just couse of ledger.
I prefer the super villain, and mob mixed story than super villain only.
I can respect that. I understand that viewpoint too, especially with the mobs being villains themselves overpowered by a supervillian who is basically a more effective bad guy than they are.
My main view is mostly rooted in how I used to follow the actual Batman comics when I was younger, particularly during the Knightfall/Knightquest storyline that involved Bane, who I always thought was his most difficult enemy, though I will easily admit that the Joker was his greatest enemy in every media (comics, cartoons, movies, etc.).
Dark Knight Rises was a better written movie, that flowed much better and the story didn't feel altered in the way Dark Knight did at the end with the Two-Face scenes. Bane was a monster, Catwoman was sexy and added character to a very dark film, the story was very Bruce Wayne focused instead of Batman focused and it brought in everything from the first two movies beautifully, and it had the best twist at the end I could imagine. But Ledger as Joker truly was hard to match.
I agree, 100%. This part of your post sums up my opinion pretty well, especially with it focusing on Bruce Wayne/Batman this time around. That was one of the problems with The Dark Knight... whether it's because of the storyline or because Joker/Heath Ledger was just such a vivid portrayal, that he was the focus of the movie and not Batman. It's almost to the point where they could've cast a different Bruce Wayne/Batman for the movie and it wouldn't have been so different, which speaks volumes about the villain, but again, it's a Batman movie, and the parts that covered his character weren't significant. Other than a minute of footage where he mourns Rachel in his penthouse or at the very end where he sacrifices the image of Batman for Gotham by taking the heat, you don't really get to see any progression in his character.
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I think part 1 and 3 are so good in terms of a story because they are rooted in the comics.
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After watching Dark Knight just before Dark Knight Rises this weekend, I am going to give the edge to Dark Knight for the Joker reason alone. Ledger's performance was so good that despite all of Dark Knight's rough parts, it was more enjoyable to watch. Dark Knight Rises was a better written movie, that flowed much better and the story didn't feel altered in the way Dark Knight did at the end with the Two-Face scenes. Bane was a monster, Catwoman was sexy and added character to a very dark film, the story was very Bruce Wayne focused instead of Batman focused and it brought in everything from the first two movies beautifully, and it had the best twist at the end I could imagine. But Ledger as Joker truly was hard to match. I hate comparing movies, and I went into Dark Knight Rises not trying to compare them, and I think this helped me enjoy Dark Knight Rises greatly. On it's own Dark Knight Rises is a great movie, better than the Avengers and better than the Amazing Spiderman. Dark Knight Rises to me is the second greatest superhero movie ever created and the best storytelling in any superhero movie. It had the depth that a Chris Nolan film would have, and the depth he didn't have in the other Batman films. But at the end of the day, I feel like a broken record, it's Ledger as Joker. Either way, the top 2 superhero movies to me are Dark Knight and Dark Knight Rises and that in itself speaks volumes to how much energy and effort Nolan, Bale and the rest of the cast put into making the Batman story a special treat for the fans.
I would post my spin on how to reboot the franchise and get the new Superman movies to lead into a Justice League movie, but no one has posted spoilers and I'm not even going to hint at anything that could ruin this movie for anyone who hasn't seen it. Just go see it.
Spiderman for sure. My argument from Avengers isn't that it's a better film, than any of the Nolan films, but that's it's a better adaptation of a comic book. I just have to say that.
That being said, I feel that DKR is by far the most comic book feeling of the Batman films. I actually could see it as a great miniseries written years ago. And if both DKR and Avengers were comic books DKR would be a better read. However, Avengers is the perfect comic book movie for the characters it was portraying.
What Whedon did was make a better Avengers comic book than any Avengers comic book has any right being. Nolan did not take Batman the character or story to heights the books never have. Which isn't really fair because Batman has much higher highs in the books than the Avengers do.
I don't know if Whedon could make a better Bat film than Nolan. All I know is it would be very different. But no way could Nolan make a better Avengers film than Whedon made.
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This was a weak ass movie in comparison to the other two. I guess in the period between TDK and TDKR, Bruce Wayne developed a fucking vagina.
In comparison of other 2012 movies, it wasn't bad.
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TDKR is the begins 2nd part, not the trilogy's 3rd.
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Tom Hardy is quickly becoming my favorite\ actor (Inception & The Warrior)
Definitely
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This was a weak ass movie in comparison to the other two. I guess in the period between TDK and TDKR, Bruce Wayne developed a fucking vagina.
In comparison of other 2012 movies, it wasn't bad.
He is way too pouty for most Batman fans I know.
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I will be honest, the fact that Bruce Wayne was in hiding for 8 years and was still sad over Rachel had me mad too. I mean, in the comics Bruce Wayne loses girls in one form or another like I lose cheap ear buds for my MP3 players, if I lose them, they get stolen with my MP3 player, my dog ate them, either way I lose them. Bruce Wayne loses girlfriends all the time, dumps them, they die, they just leave him because his distant. Either way, had DKR only been 3-4 years after DK, I would understand, but 8 F****N years. That did bother me.
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But it had to be consistent. Remember that in the trilogy, Rachel Dawes was a girl he had known since childhood, so she's not some college fling who gets used and discarded. It's not like it was one of the two girls he brought to dinner in Batman Begins when he went swimming in the fountain.
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overrated
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But it had to be consistent. Remember that in the trilogy, Rachel Dawes was a girl he had known since childhood, so she's not some college fling who gets used and discarded. It's not like it was one of the two girls he brought to dinner in Batman Begins when he went swimming in the fountain.
When I'm down, I replay that scene and imagine I can just buy a hotel like that... LOL... You might be right, but 8 YEARS!!
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It was entertaining, solid movie overall IMO.
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But that Robin bit towards the end was corny as fuck.
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It was entertaining, solid movie overall IMO.
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But that Robin bit towards the end was corny as fuck.
Are we green lighted to talk about the end part, because I loved it, even what you said.
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But it had to be consistent. Remember that in the trilogy, Rachel Dawes was a girl he had known since childhood, so she's not some college fling who gets used and discarded. It's not like it was one of the two girls he brought to dinner in Batman Begins when he went swimming in the fountain.
That in itself isn't a very good Batman story. It is what it is. The best Batman films ever made (which there aren't many others to compare to) and maybe the best Superhero films ever made, which there aren't all that many great superhero films to begin.
But by far the Nolan trilogy is not anywhere near the best Batman stories ever told.
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But it had to be consistent. Remember that in the trilogy, Rachel Dawes was a girl he had known since childhood, so she's not some college fling who gets used and discarded. It's not like it was one of the two girls he brought to dinner in Batman Begins when he went swimming in the fountain.
That in itself isn't a very good Batman story. It is what it is. The best Batman films ever made (which there aren't many others to compare to) and maybe the best Superhero films ever made, which there aren't all that many great superhero films to begin.
But by far the Nolan trilogy is not anywhere near the best Batman stories ever told.
No, I have always been a fan of the great work done to Batman in the late 80's/early 90's. It really set the tone for how Batman is today and the darker comic world of the 90's, and it influenced Nolan's Batman. But the limitations of a movie compared to a comic is a bit unfair. In the comics, the author and artist are talking to us, the nerds who eat this stuff up. In movies, if you set up a story like Death in the Family, the general population would be so confused and be turned off. The complexities you are allowed in a comic over a year would be too much for the general audience. That is why I actually respect Nolan's work with Batman because he did the best I could ask for anyone to bring a movie with Ra's al Ghul, a very scary Joker or a bad ass Bain. I mean, you can go to the source material to a degree to get the general audience, people know the origins of Spiderman, and Batman, and Superman and they expect these storys. But when you start making movies with more than 2 villains, then you start to confuse people, or if you start going really deep into a character they lose interest.
My brother in-law's reason for liking the Avengers more than Dark Knight Rises. "With Avengers, know I'm getting 4 bad ass superheros fighting bad guys and that works. Dark Knight Rises was too much for me, I just wanted to see Batman kick ass."
And there you have it, why we'll never get a movie as good as the comics.
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But it had to be consistent. Remember that in the trilogy, Rachel Dawes was a girl he had known since childhood, so she's not some college fling who gets used and discarded. It's not like it was one of the two girls he brought to dinner in Batman Begins when he went swimming in the fountain.
That in itself isn't a very good Batman story. It is what it is. The best Batman films ever made (which there aren't many others to compare to) and maybe the best Superhero films ever made, which there aren't all that many great superhero films to begin.
But by far the Nolan trilogy is not anywhere near the best Batman stories ever told.
No, I have always been a fan of the great work done to Batman in the late 80's/early 90's. It really set the tone for how Batman is today and the darker comic world of the 90's, and it influenced Nolan's Batman. But the limitations of a movie compared to a comic is a bit unfair. In the comics, the author and artist are talking to us, the nerds who eat this stuff up. In movies, if you set up a story like Death in the Family, the general population would be so confused and be turned off. The complexities you are allowed in a comic over a year would be too much for the general audience. That is why I actually respect Nolan's work with Batman because he did the best I could ask for anyone to bring a movie with Ra's al Ghul, a very scary Joker or a bad ass Bain. I mean, you can go to the source material to a degree to get the general audience, people know the origins of Spiderman, and Batman, and Superman and they expect these storys. But when you start making movies with more than 2 villains, then you start to confuse people, or if you start going really deep into a character they lose interest.
My brother in-law's reason for liking the Avengers more than Dark Knight Rises. "With Avengers, know I'm getting 4 bad ass superheros fighting bad guys and that works. Dark Knight Rises was too much for me, I just wanted to see Batman kick ass."
And there you have it, why we'll never get a movie as good as the comics.
In my opinion the real reason the films won't be as good as the comics is because of the artistic freedom allowed. At the end of the day the Studio still expects big profits. Warner isn't making a Batman film to win an Oscar or get credibility in the art world. It's making a Batman film to make money. It can also be a very good film, but first and foremost it has to make money.
The opposite happened when Columbia decided to distribute Remains of the Day. The thought process is that it probably won't make much, if any, profits, but it will build credibility in the art world and get us nominations.
Can a batman film or any Bat story be as good as Remains of the Day? Probably not, but if you told a top notch film director who also loved Batman to simply make the best film possible and not worry about the box office; (the Remains of the Day approach), I guarantee you'd see films much better than anything this last trilogy gave us.
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Actually, you'd get Watchmen... and the Nolan trilogy was better than Watchmen.
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Tom Hardy is quickly becoming my favorite\ actor (Inception & The Warrior)
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check bronson, he is a monster on taht.
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Actually, you'd get Watchmen... and the Nolan trilogy was better than Watchmen.
Give me a break. The producers picked the guy who just directed 300 after 20 years of failed attempts to make the film. They were simply looking for a cash grab to justify their decades of wasted money. No one went to anyone with anything resembling a straight face and said "win us an oscar" with regards to Watchman.
And anyone that's familiar with the work knows that the story is far too vast to be placed in a film and too connected to be spread out. If the studio really was interested in awards they would have used the Lord of the Rings approach of three 3 hour films containing one story and gotten a credible director to push it forward.
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The only comic character that you can do that to is Superman. That's it, Superman is ingrained in American culture. Any other comic superhero would not get watched, period. If one day, someone says, I want to make a superhero story into an epic trilogy that will be an American movie classic, I think I'll use Spiderman, or Hulk, or X-Men, it just wouldn't work. Only Superman would work. And I highly doubt that will ever happen, because it's too tempting to turn Superman into a sci-fi movie. Nolan's Batman was the closest we'll ever get to that until that day happens.
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The only comic character that you can do that to is Superman. That's it, Superman is ingrained in American culture. Any other comic superhero would not get watched, period. If one day, someone says, I want to make a superhero story into an epic trilogy that will be an American movie classic, I think I'll use Spiderman, or Hulk, or X-Men, it just wouldn't work. Only Superman would work. And I highly doubt that will ever happen, because it's too tempting to turn Superman into a sci-fi movie. Nolan's Batman was the closest we'll ever get to that until that day happens.
I'm not saying it could or should happen. I'm just saying that Batman on his own is already in a head start mode for a better film to be made than almost any other superhero, so for another character to come along and have a better film it would have to be taken with the approach that they want an Oscar, and no studio would spend the money required to make a Wolverine or Captain America film and not care about the lack of payout.
Right away I can tell you that Captain America: Red, White, and Black has the potential to be adapted into film and blow Nolan's Bat stuff out of the water, and get a nod at the Oscars. But it's got no chance in hell of ever being made with a feature film budget.
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The only comic character that you can do that to is Superman. That's it, Superman is ingrained in American culture. Any other comic superhero would not get watched, period. If one day, someone says, I want to make a superhero story into an epic trilogy that will be an American movie classic, I think I'll use Spiderman, or Hulk, or X-Men, it just wouldn't work. Only Superman would work. And I highly doubt that will ever happen, because it's too tempting to turn Superman into a sci-fi movie. Nolan's Batman was the closest we'll ever get to that until that day happens.
I'm not saying it could or should happen. I'm just saying that Batman on his own is already in a head start mode for a better film to be made than almost any other superhero, so for another character to come along and have a better film it would have to be taken with the approach that they want an Oscar, and no studio would spend the money required to make a Wolverine or Captain America film and not care about the lack of payout.
Right away I can tell you that Captain America: Red, White, and Black has the potential to be adapted into film and blow Nolan's Bat stuff out of the water, and get a nod at the Oscars. But it's got no chance in hell of ever being made with a feature film budget.
As you said, Batman can come close, but it can never happen because you still have a story of a billionaire who dresses up as a bat and jumps off rooftops. Hard to sell actually, and Nolan did as good of a job as anyone. Captain America can also come close, and the Avengers actually if they ever had the balls to use this Avengers to lead to Civil War. But they wouldn't. Other than that, it's Superman, and that wouldn't happen because directors and script writers will always turn Superman into science fiction. I long for the day when a truly epic Superman story is told, along the lines of Man of Steel by John Byrne. Who knows, I think the Dark Knight series though is a step in the right direction for superhero movies. Hell, just think, Batman went from Arnold as Mr. Freeze to Nolan's Batman in less than 10 years. Others are starting to see this as a trend. And actually I give credit to Spiderman because that was the first movie to be true to the origin story, though Spiderman 3 left a bad taste in my mouth, the first 2 were good.
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I disagree about Captain America. He's just not a proven character in terms of the media, and outside of being a patriotic character, he's just not that appealing.
The Captain America movie that was made recently was good, but within the Avengers, his character was pretty much the most boring and least interesting of the group to watch. Additionally, that outfit is corny in 2012, and it's hard to adapt it to modern times. There's just not enough hype around him yet, especially with that original Captain America movie, which sucked really bad and had no following. I remember watching it in the early '90s when it was on TV and thinking it was a waste of my time. The character's run so far in other media has had success recently, but not a long enough string of success to the point where I'd think it's going to be on the scale that you're describing.
That's what's different about him. Characters like Batman and Superman have had their ups and downs, but in the '80s and '90s, their movies were huge blockbusters, though the later movies of those franchises (i.e. Superman III and IV, Batman & Robin) fell off, but that doesn't change what happened before. Additionally, they both had their own cartoon series, but I'm not sure about Captain America. The Hulk had movies and a TV series in the '80s. The X-Men had season upon season of the animated series, with characters like Wolverine getting a lot of focus with storylines just devoted to them.
I'm not saying I don't want it to happen, but they'd have to do a hell of a job to make Captain America into an "epic" story, not just a blockbuster. But we'll see in the next few years.
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The only comic character that you can do that to is Superman. That's it, Superman is ingrained in American culture. Any other comic superhero would not get watched, period. If one day, someone says, I want to make a superhero story into an epic trilogy that will be an American movie classic, I think I'll use Spiderman, or Hulk, or X-Men, it just wouldn't work. Only Superman would work. And I highly doubt that will ever happen, because it's too tempting to turn Superman into a sci-fi movie. Nolan's Batman was the closest we'll ever get to that until that day happens.
I'm not saying it could or should happen. I'm just saying that Batman on his own is already in a head start mode for a better film to be made than almost any other superhero, so for another character to come along and have a better film it would have to be taken with the approach that they want an Oscar, and no studio would spend the money required to make a Wolverine or Captain America film and not care about the lack of payout.
Right away I can tell you that Captain America: Red, White, and Black has the potential to be adapted into film and blow Nolan's Bat stuff out of the water, and get a nod at the Oscars. But it's got no chance in hell of ever being made with a feature film budget.
As you said, Batman can come close, but it can never happen because you still have a story of a billionaire who dresses up as a bat and jumps off rooftops. Hard to sell actually, and Nolan did as good of a job as anyone. Captain America can also come close, and the Avengers actually if they ever had the balls to use this Avengers to lead to Civil War. But they wouldn't. Other than that, it's Superman, and that wouldn't happen because directors and script writers will always turn Superman into science fiction. I long for the day when a truly epic Superman story is told, along the lines of Man of Steel by John Byrne. Who knows, I think the Dark Knight series though is a step in the right direction for superhero movies. Hell, just think, Batman went from Arnold as Mr. Freeze to Nolan's Batman in less than 10 years. Others are starting to see this as a trend. And actually I give credit to Spiderman because that was the first movie to be true to the origin story, though Spiderman 3 left a bad taste in my mouth, the first 2 were good.
It's a plain and simple economic issue. High art films aren't generally huge money makers, and no matter what a Super hero film is going to cost 8 figures to produce. If you can't guarantee 8 figures in revenue, no one is going to want to touch it. Red, White, and Black could never generate a 100 million dollar opening weeked. Not even if Paul Haggis directed it 6 months after Crash won the Oscar.
And I think Avengers was perfect the way it was. Civil would be nice, but kind of silly now that Stark already revealed himself, and even still I can't see it be Oscar worthy.
I disagree about Captain America. He's just not a proven character in terms of the media, and outside of being a patriotic character, he's just not that appealing.
The Captain America movie that was made recently was good, but within the Avengers, his character was pretty much the most boring and least interesting of the group to watch. Additionally, that outfit is corny in 2012, and it's hard to adapt it to modern times. There's just not enough hype around him yet, especially with that original Captain America movie, which sucked really bad and had no following. I remember watching it in the early '90s when it was on TV and thinking it was a waste of my time. The character's run so far in other media has had success recently, but not a long enough string of success to the point where I'd think it's going to be on the scale that you're describing.
That's what's different about him. Characters like Batman and Superman have had their ups and downs, but in the '80s and '90s, their movies were huge blockbusters, though the later movies of those franchises (i.e. Superman III and IV, Batman & Robin) fell off, but that doesn't change what happened before. Additionally, they both had their own cartoon series, but I'm not sure about Captain America. The Hulk had movies and a TV series in the '80s. The X-Men had season upon season of the animated series, with characters like Wolverine getting a lot of focus with storylines just devoted to them.
I'm not saying I don't want it to happen, but they'd have to do a hell of a job to make Captain America into an "epic" story, not just a blockbuster. But we'll see in the next few years.
Red, White, and Black is not a Captain America story. It's the story of the US government testing out the Super Solider serum on black soldiers to find a suitable formula. It's a race story. Steve Rogers, Captain A, is barely even in it. I'm just saying it has the potential to be Oscar worthy if really done right. It could also end up being trash.
The premise is great. Now in the book to avoid tarnishing Cap's legacy it is said that after cap was lost they tried to re-create the formula by testing it on blacks. But in the more reality based approach. Having a bunch of black ginuea pigs tested for the formula first to get it right and having the one it actually worked on be out on the battle field doing as much work as Captain A but getting no credit for it is a very real and dark story you can turn into a serious film.
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I went to watch this again last Tuesday with a friend who had been out of the country when the movie came out... but it was fucking sold out for the next two showings. I guess it's still doing pretty well.
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Number 1 was the box office for the last three weekends. We'll see how it does this weekend against "The Bourne Legacy." I'd love to see it hold on to the number 1 spot, but that's probably a long shot. I'm sure it will still have a respectable showing for it's fourth weekend, though.
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Just saw it a second time this past week. Love it! That said, the whole eight year time gap thing just doesn't feel right.
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Oh, and Anne Hathaway and Tom hardy are fucking amazing!
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It's out on Blu-ray now, go get it asap!!!! Picture and sound quality are AMAZING!!! :yikes: Also the making-of content on the second disc is great and full of details! ;D
Read this review from Blu-ray.com:
The Dark Knight Rises Blu-ray Review
"Oh boy, you are in for a show tonight, son!"
Reviewed by Kenneth Brown, November 20, 2012
It's hard to imagine a time when a Christopher Nolan-helmed Batman film wasn't a sure thing. And yet seven short years ago Batman Begins was a risk, and not just in the eyes of short-sighted box office analysts. Warner Brothers and DC Comics executives, Hollywood insiders, journalists, critics, audiences, even the filmmakers themselves... few were willing to go on record with any certainty as to how Batman Begins would resonate or perform. But here we are, seven years later. Seven years of appreciation, seven years of hindsight. In 2005, Batman Begins was a critical, creative and financial success. It remains a thrilling introduction to Nolan's brave new Gotham. In 2008, The Dark Knight arrived to thunderous applause, smashed records, earned more than a billion at the box office, and mounted an equally impressive run on home video. It still stands as one of the best comicbook movies of all time; a near-perfect culmination of everything the genre has fought so long to achieve. Then came this past summer and the release of The Dark Knight Rises. Could it escape the dreaded trilogy capper curse? Could it surpass The Dark Knight? Would it deliver a satisfying conclusion to Nolan's Batman saga?
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"Now's not the time for fear. That comes later!"
It's been eight years since Harvey Dent plummeted to his death. Eight years since Batman took the real fall and disappeared from the public eye. Eight years since Gotham City police commissioner James Gordon (Gary Oldman) agreed to allow the city to mourn a villain and forsake its hero. Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale) is a recluse, his butler and friend Alfred (Michael Caine) is his only contact with the outside world, and his father's company is safely in the hands of trusted ally in arms, Lucius Fox (Morgan Freeman). But when a new evil comes to Gotham with plans to level the city -- a terrorist mastermind and former member of the League of Shadows known only as Bane (Tom Hardy) -- Wayne decides it's time for Batman to return. To stop Bane, Batman first elicits the help of cat burglar Selina Kyle (Anne Hathaway), beat cop-turned-detective John Blake (Joseph Gordon-Levitt) and Wayne Enterprises board member Miranda Tate (Marion Cotillard). Ultimately, though, Wayne has to face his greatest fears if he hopes to pry Gotham from Bane's steel grip.
Even though The Dark Knight Rises was more divisive than many anticipated -- it is, after all, a vastly different film than mass audiences were expecting -- those who returned to the theater more than once hopefully discovered a more masterfully crafted tale than they may have caught the first time around. Nolan and younger brother/co-screenwriter Jonathan Nolan skip the sort of traditional three-act structure that might lighten their load and divide the film into three grand Acts, each of epic proportion. It's almost as if the filmmakers' third Batman outing is a self-contained trilogy of its own. (Beware. Mild spoilers lurk ahead.) Act I: Bane emerges, Batman is broken and Gotham is left unprotected. Act II: Bruce is locked away, Bane makes his move and Gotham is held hostage. Act III: the Dark Knight returns, Bane tightens his grip and Gotham hangs in the balance. Months pass. Seasons change. Power shifts hands. Forces collide. And the game changes forever. It's almost too much for one movie to encompass. And yet there's just enough time to pull it off. No scene is wasted, no shot is squandered, no moment is tangential. Every piece moves at Nolan's command, nothing slips by the director's watchful eye and every theme, arc and obstacle established in Batman Begins and The Dark Knight is brought full circle.
My first viewing was thrilling but bewildering. The initially jarring breaks from one act -- ahem, Act -- to the next knocked me off balance, and the script's sudden lurch into "No Man's Land" territory only exacerbated matters. Wayne's early sluggishness, woundedness and ineffectiveness gave me pause as well, Alfred's exile from much of the story baffled me, Bane's handler smacked of it'z a tweest! contrivance, and the film seemed to lack the strong but steady momentum and ragged-edge inventiveness of its predecessors. It was still an incredible experience, made even more incredible in IMAX, but it seemed to lack the dexterity of Begins and the will, fortitude and raw power of The Dark Knight. But oh what a difference a second viewing can make. Once-jarring breaks allowed previously unforeseen heroes to fill the void left in Batman's absence. The seeds of the filmmakers' loose "No Man's Land" adaptation are apparent from the beginning. Wayne's resignation and fall only enrich everything that follows. Alfred's absence strips the Dark Knight of his greatest ally and leaves him vulnerable to the betrayals to come. The film's ultimate reveal traces back through all three films and unites them more than any other element. And the momentum and inventiveness I craved were out in full force, albeit so radical in comicbook nature that I nearly failed to notice the intricacies of Nolan's master plan.
Over-analyze and you'll surely uncover plot holes. Resist investing and you'll see little more than a cumbersome actioner. But lean forward, dig in and open yourself to the delights of Nolan's trilogy prestige and you'll come away with few complaints. The action is bigger, bolder and more electrifying than before, the superheroics are grounded but gripping, those wonderful toys are more wonderful than ever, the scope and scale of the story is breathtaking, and the performances are some of the series' most rewarding. Bale drags Bruce and Batman to hell and back, Cotillard is a sly enigma, Caine's work is heartwrenching, Oldman walks a fine line between guardian and charlatan, and Freeman gives it his all. It's Hathaway, Hardy and Gordon-Levitt that steal the show, though, and The Dark Knight Rises is all the more absorbing for it. Hathaway manages to summon every iconic Catwoman from page and screen and create an alluring antihero all her own. Hardy is a presence to be reckoned with, a frighteningly charismatic terrorist and something far more intimidating and intriguing than the brainless bruiser his Bane could have been. And Gordon-Levitt strides confidently into the fray -- the vigilant heart and soul of the third film -- cooly crafting a very human hero struggling to survive a larger than life clash of the titans.
The Dark Knight Rises isn't a perfect film, nor does it leave as significant mark on the genre as The Dark Knight. But it comes close, and makes up the difference in ambition, nerve and sheer scale. What will the next Batman project look like? What will the next Dark Knight entail? It's impossible to tell. It's safe to say, though, that whatever it is will have an exceedingly difficult time standing shoulder to shoulder with Nolan's trilogy.
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When The Dark Knight stormed Blu-ray, its arguably striking transfer earned top marks. However, some weren't so impressed. Contrast had been raised to detail-quashing extremes, color had been boosted, severe edge halos littered the image, and a variety of other eyesores left a small but vocal group of videophiles grumbling. Preservation and restoration expert Torsten Kaiser had this to say in a 2011 Blu-ray.com interview: "By far the biggest error its producers committed was the complete change of the film's original color timing. The Dark Knight was not copied with an optical printer. The original material – I held it in my hands – it was gorgeous. It was absolutely gorgeous. It was… I fell flat off my chair. The colors are so different compared to those that appear in the Blu-ray transfer. I've seen the Blu-ray once, and I've never looked at it again." Harsh words, perhaps. But it was a sentiment shared by many, myself included. Thankfully, The Dark Knight Rises doesn't suffer the same fate. Contrast is still a tad overbearing (more on that in a moment), but every other aspect of Warner's 1080p/AVC-encoded video transfer -- which seamlessly shifts between traditionally filmed sequences presented at 2.40:1 and 70mm IMAX scenes presented at 1.78:1 -- is terrific.
Cinematographer Wally Pfister's wind-swept Gotham palette is rich, satisfying and, to borrow a word from Kaiser, gorgeous. Warm hues adorn the decadent homes of the city's elite, dusty desert colors blanket Bruce's stint in prison, and crisp white snow falls on a captive Gotham. Skintones are lovely too (barring a few slightly orange faces), as are primaries, which are positively radiant at times. Black levels are incredibly deep as well. Too deep, mind you -- crush is prevalent, delineation is a bit unforgiving, and viewers whose contrast setting is already cranked up will wonder why the film's shadows resemble an oil spill -- but not so deep that it proves to be much of a distraction. And while those who saw Rises multiple times in theaters will be more likely to note the slight loss of shadow detail in dark shots, the vast majority of filmfans will simply be too awestruck by the rest of the picture to notice or care. Otherwise, detail is nothing short of extraordinary. Edges are sharp and natural (with only a hint of intermittent ringing) and fine textures are well resolved and revealing (particularly during the film's IMAX sequences). There also aren't any significant instances of macroblocking, banding, aliasing, errant noise or any other distracting anomaly. In the end, the overwhelming majority of viewers will award the presentation a perfect 5.0 while the most stringent videophiles and film purists will hover around a 4.0. Me? I would have liked a deeper peek into the shadows but it didn't spoil much of anything as far as I'm concerned. I'll split the difference and go with a 4.5.
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The real showpiece of The Dark Knight Rises Blu-ray, though, is its sternum-splitting, rib-cracking, ground-pounding DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 surround track. While it obviously isn't as thunderous or jaw-dropping as its IMAX counterpart, it still boasts remarkable power, prowess and presence. LFE output is downright ferocious, throwing its full weight behind every devastating explosion, firing cannon, throaty Tumbler engine, booming Bat thruster, collapsing tunnel, crashing truck and musclebound madman. The opening hijack scene is worth the cost of admission alone. The rear speakers join the fight early and often too, immersing the listener in the chaos erupting across Gotham. Pinpoint directionality delivers time and time again, cross-channel pans are exceptionally transparent, and Hans Zimmer's score is as enveloping and invigorating as it should be. Dialogue is clear, neatly grounded in the hustle and bustle of the city, and masterfully prioritized, even if the last few lines of dialogue are nearly overwhelmed by the ever-crescendoing music. There's also an argument to be made that Bane's voice occasionally hovers above the rest of the soundscape -- particularly during the opening hijack sequence, when his voice is piped into the front speakers to ensure it isn't drowned out by the roar of the plane that's being dismantled around him -- but it's an intentional decision that traces back to the film's original sound design, not the technical quality of the studio's lossless mix. Simply put, The Dark Knight Rises' DTS-HD MA track doesn't disappoint in the slightest.
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- Second Screen Experience (Disc 1, HD): Download the Dark Knight Rises FX app to your mobile phone or tablet, sync it with your Blu-ray player via your network, select the launch button in the app and enjoy exclusive content while watching the film.
- Production (Disc 2, HD, 68 minutes): Christopher Nolan and key members of his cast and crew dissect crucial sequences, unveil the process behind Nolan's largely practical effects, and dig into the production in twelve excellent Focus Point-esque featurettes. Featurettes include "The Prologue: High-Altitude Hijacking," "Return to the Batcave," "Beneath Gotham," "The Bat," "Batman vs. Bane," "Armory Accepted," "Gameday Destruction," "Demolishing a City Street," "The Pit," "The Chant," "The War on Wall Street" and "Race to the Reactor."
- Characters (Disc 2, HD, 28 minutes): Three more featurettes round out the production overview -- "The Journey of Bruce Wayne," "Gotham's Reckoning" and "A Girl's Gotta Eat" -- which delve into the characters of Bruce Wayne, Bane and Selina Kyle. A commentary or more sprawling production documentary would have been a terrific addition to it all, but Nolan and company have covered their bases and delivered an extensive glimpse into Nolan's craft, the development of the film and the intricacies of the third and final entry in the Dark Knight cycle.
- Reflections (Disc 2, HD, 15 minutes): Finally, "Shadows & Light in Large Format" touches on Wally Pfister's cinematography and lighting, Nolan's location shoots, traditional vs. IMAX photography, and the film's production design, while "The End of a Legend" finds the filmmakers bidding farewell to the Dark Knight trilogy.
- The Batmobile (Disc 2, HD, 58 minutes): "There's something incredibly primal about the relationship between man and machine. It's extraordinarily powerful." Nolan, Batmobile craftsman and engineers, and a host of other comic book and film industry familiar faces discuss the history of the Batmobile, its evolution as Batman's most iconic tool, and its various small and big screen incarnations. It's a fantastic documentary, even if it doesn't focus exclusively on Dark Knight Rises.
- Trailer Archive (HD, 9 minutes): Four theatrical trailers round out the package.
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The Dark Knight Rises begs repeat viewings. The film so thwarts expectation that limiting yourself to a single viewing is to risk dismissing an amazing story and experience that only gets better upon each return. Nolan has accomplished something truly extraordinary with his Batman trilogy, and The Dark Knight Rises brings nothing but gratifying closure to three of the greatest comicbook movies of all time. Warner's 2-disc Blu-ray edition doesn't disappoint either thanks to an excellent video transfer, an exceptional DTS-HD Master Audio 5.1 surround track and a reasonably extensive collection of high definition special features. It isn't a perfect film or a perfect release, but it doesn't get much better than this. As trilogy endgames go, The Dark Knight Rises delivers on all fronts.
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The Trilogy Boxset (Batman Begins, The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises):
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gonna buy it!
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gonna buy it!
Cool! ;D I know you will not regret it!!!
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I've had the movie for a few weeks since it leaked, but I'm still going to buy it. Does anyone know if the trilogy still includes the digital copies of the movie(s)?
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I've had the movie for a few weeks since it leaked, but I'm still going to buy it. Does anyone know if the trilogy still includes the digital copies of the movie(s)?
Got this from Blu-ray.com:
"An Excellent Dark Knight Trilogy"
The Complete 'Dark Knight Trilogy Limited-Edition Giftset' is an
excellent bargain at the current going price of under $30.00.
The boxed set is enclosed in a nicely packaged velvet like raised finish
with bat cowl image, very durable, made to last. Each disc is placed in a
standard snap holder. Although the discs overlap they are not placed
one on top of the other. Also included is a 64 page soft cover booklet 'The
Art and Making of The Dark Knight Rises.'
Included is all bonus content from all three films with Ultraviolet copy,
making 'The Dark Knight Trilogy Blu-ray' an excellent addition to any
collection.
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I just bought it, but I haven't opened it yet due to a concern I have. It includes the Ultraviolet copy for stream/download, but not a digital iTunes copy, and the UV copy apparently isn't compatible with iTunes. That's a deal breaker, and if it doesn't work, I will return this since I also want the movie on my iTunes (and of course on both my iPhone and iPad). I've been trying to look it up online, but since the release has only been out for a few hours, I haven't seen anything about whether it works or not, though the inside of the sticker on the front says that it isn't compatible.
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I ended up returning the Bluray set. The movies not being available in an iTunes-compatible format is a deal-breaker. There's word of an "Ultimate" set coming out next year, probably with more deleted scenes or whatever, so I'll just wait for that.