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DUBCC - Tha Connection => West Coast Classics => Topic started by: Okka on October 19, 2009, 09:16:44 AM
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I just had to do this since there's so much talk about what's Snoop Dogg's best album after "Doggystyle" and so many people say either "Top Dogg" or "Tha Last Meal". I'm pretty sure there has been a topic like this but it's been so many years since we had the topic and there's a lot of new members round here who can also vote and tell us what's their opinion about this. Myself, i gotta go with "No Limit Top Dogg". Ain't nothin' wrong with Snoop Dogg's delivery on this album and the production is perfect. You can't go wrong with Dr. Dre, DJ Quik, Bu'dda, Jelly Roll, Meech Wells, even Goldie Loc's beat was fuckin great. What y'all think though?
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hard decision..
id say top dogg
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Last Meal. Production was incredible on that album. Just seemed like a step up in every aspect musically for Snoop. Close call but I would go with Last Meal.
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Very close
Dj Quik being on topp Dogg just might sway it for me though
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Top Dogg for sure.. Although I think Paid the Cost is Snoop's most cohesive production wise. The No Limit albums had west coast flavor, and then south shit with Master P screaming all over the track... Top Dogg is easily the most focused of the No Limit releases, with the biggest hit single.
Btw, I really like the Jellyroll track on here as well. I wish he would go back to his smooth Dj Quik rip off style sometimes..
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Both are pretty dope albums from Snoop because of Kokane being so dope all over the record
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I voted Tha Last Meal (literally having just turned it off following a listen). Its more cohesive than NLTD, especially in terms of the beats, decent guest appearances, and each song flows into the next nicely. That being said, the second half of the album has some weak cuts on it.
The thing with NLTD is that there are some absolute bangers on there (shouts go out especially to the Jelly Roll beat on 'Party Wit A DPG' - that shit is incredible on the sound system :o), but overall it's too long and there are also more weaker songs than on Tha Last Meal.
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I am surprised how many people are feeling NLTD like that. I remember when it came out and people really did not recieve it overwhemingly like some of his other albums. It also came after Da Game Is To Be Sold also so I think alot of people did not know what to expect. It is one of those albums that you appreciate over time. Really did not take off until B Please dropped.
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"No Limit Top Dogg" for sure.
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I actually prefer No Limit Top Dogg over Tha Last Meal, without question. No Limit Top Dogg was a huge improvement over Da Game Is to Be Sold... (particularly in the production department, since it was mostly done in-house at No Limit by KLC and Beats by the Pound), and it was a nice blend of different beats. I could listen to it straight through, whereas Tha Last Meal had too many filler tracks to me that I'd skip through.
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Tha Last Meal 8) it had alot less weaker songs then No Limit Top Dogg and plus you had Dre mix pretty much the whole album, even songs he didnt produce (cant go wrong with that).
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I actually prefer No Limit Top Dogg over Tha Last Meal, without question. No Limit Top Dogg was a huge improvement over Da Game Is to Be Sold... (particularly in the production department, since it was mostly done in-house at No Limit by KLC and Beats by the Pound), and it was a nice blend of different beats. I could listen to it straight through, whereas Tha Last Meal had too many filler tracks to me that I'd skip through.
no way! Last meal has no fillers IMO def an albums that can be listened to from beginning to end.
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No Limit Top Dogg
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tha last meal
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I actually prefer No Limit Top Dogg over Tha Last Meal, without question. No Limit Top Dogg was a huge improvement over Da Game Is to Be Sold... (particularly in the production department, since it was mostly done in-house at No Limit by KLC and Beats by the Pound), and it was a nice blend of different beats. I could listen to it straight through, whereas Tha Last Meal had too many filler tracks to me that I'd skip through.
no way! Last meal has no fillers IMO def an albums that can be listened to from beginning to end.
I'll give both of them a listen when I get home after work, but I remember not being too excited for Tha Last Meal. I remember that Loosin' Control song being corny as fuck.
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I prefer Top Dogg only because it holds a little more value deeper into the album IMO....Both are dope albums none the less.
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Definitely Last Meal. Although both albums were released on No Limit, Top Dogg sounded a bit to No Limity. Last Meal had a Dre sound throughout the whole album and had more enjoyable tracks on it. Although Bitch Please is probably better than all the tracks on Last Meal :D
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Definitely Last Meal. Although both albums were released on No Limit, Top Dogg sounded a bit to No Limity. Last Meal had a Dre sound throughout the whole album and had more enjoyable tracks on it. Although Bitch Please is probably better than all the tracks on Last Meal :D
I never was a huge fan of Bitch Please outside of Xzibit's verse. I always digged Lay Low more for some reason. Both albums the 1st singles picked were horrible from a buzz standpoint. Monster 2nd singles though.
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No Limit Top Dogg
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last meal, i dont think its snoops second best though
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the last meal for me
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top dog, however doggfather is easily my second favorite snoop album
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I just listened to them again... definitely No Limit Top Dogg for me. A lot of the production from Tha Last Meal sounds like some of the producers' scrapped beats... nothing special from them.
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doggfather>last meal>no limit top dogg
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I thought the general consensus was that DOGGFATHER was snoops second best album.It is to me.
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doggfather is very love or hate... and i dont understand the love. snoop sounded so lazy on the record
beats - top dogg
rhymes - last meal.
snoop was in top form on last meal
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I thought the general consensus was that DOGGFATHER was snoops second best album.It is to me.
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Impossilbe choice but I said No Limit Top Dogg. The collection of producers, that freestyle on Ghetto Symphony and it being the album that resurrected Dr. Dre's career, brough Xzibit on the mainstream, featured DJ Quik's fam Suga Free and Mausberg (REAL TALENTS!!!!!!), for the more positive songs like Doin' Too Much, I love My Mama and Betta Dayz, that surprise feature of Sylk-E-Fine (she dissed him didn't she on Eazy's record?), but most importantly for some of the most gangster shit I've ever heard on My Heat Goes Boom:
"Look here, fool, I know this game in and out/ And quit trying to tell me about them niggaz down South/ Don't try to slide with that westside shit....I could read you from the getty/ I read you/ I took you to my home and I fed you/ and led you/ Upstairs to a room with 37 niggaz that was strapped up hating/ waiting on you/ Nigga, you the victim/ We don't pick 'em/ We just stick 'em/ And once we get 'em/ We got 'em!!"
That was hard as fuck!! Great album! And which rapper ever spoke about making peace with the East Coat? "I"m sliding down south/ with a blunt in my mouth/ I catch a plain out east/ and try to make some peace/ I'm hanging with my niggaz in the projects/ The homies throwing a party I got get back west!"
Even the downsouth beats were banging. "Fuck them other niggaz coz I'm down with my niggaz"! 8)
Shit, I could go on! "Fuck who wanna kill me/ U niggaz thrill me/ But guess where we'll be/ On top tip top nonstop/ Dogg knock/ U gotta let me in! Coz nigga I'ma shine like a Gem"
The Last Meal showed that Dr. Dre takes Snoop granted!! The best beats were by others producers on there, like the opposite of No Limit Top Dogg. Xzibit got all the beats. Dang, but Snoop still made a better album. Last Meal is when I lost love for Dr. Dre, sorta. Lemme stop! Tough choice though
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Very close but I have to go with Last Meal cause it was less No Limit than Top Dogg..
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Impossilbe choice but I said No Limit Top Dogg. The collection of producers, that freestyle on Ghetto Symphony and it being the album that resurrected Dr. Dre's career, brough Xzibit on the mainstream, featured DJ Quik's fam Suga Free and Mausberg (REAL TALENTS!!!!!!), for the more positive songs like Doin' Too Much, I love My Mama and Betta Dayz, that surprise feature of Sylk-E-Fine (she dissed him didn't she on Eazy's record?), but most importantly for some of the most gangster shit I've ever heard on My Heat Goes Boom:
"Look here, fool, I know this game in and out/ And quit trying to tell me about them niggaz down South/ Don't try to slide with that westside shit....I could read you from the getty/ I read you/ I took you to my home and I fed you/ and led you/ Upstairs to a room with 37 niggaz that was strapped up hating/ waiting on you/ Nigga, you the victim/ We don't pick 'em/ We just stick 'em/ And once we get 'em/ We got 'em!!"
That was hard as fuck!! Great album! And which rapper ever spoke about making peace with the East Coat? "I"m sliding down south/ with a blunt in my mouth/ I catch a plain out east/ and try to make some peace/ I'm hanging with my niggaz in the projects/ The homies throwing a party I got get back west!"
Even the downsouth beats were banging. "Fuck them other niggaz coz I'm down with my niggaz"! 8)
Shit, I could go on! "Fuck who wanna kill me/ U niggaz thrill me/ But guess where we'll be/ On top tip top nonstop/ Dogg knock/ U gotta let me in! Coz nigga I'ma shine like a Gem"
The Last Meal showed that Dr. Dre takes Snoop granted!! The best beats were by others producers on there, like the opposite of No Limit Top Dogg. Xzibit got all the beats. Dang, but Snoop still made a better album. Last Meal is when I lost love for Dr. Dre, sorta. Lemme stop! Tough choice though
You are aware Dre only did 3 beats on Last Meal aren't you? 2 of them are some of the best beats Dre has done. Are we listening to the same album?
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Impossilbe choice but I said No Limit Top Dogg. The collection of producers, that freestyle on Ghetto Symphony and it being the album that resurrected Dr. Dre's career, brough Xzibit on the mainstream, featured DJ Quik's fam Suga Free and Mausberg (REAL TALENTS!!!!!!), for the more positive songs like Doin' Too Much, I love My Mama and Betta Dayz, that surprise feature of Sylk-E-Fine (she dissed him didn't she on Eazy's record?), but most importantly for some of the most gangster shit I've ever heard on My Heat Goes Boom:
"Look here, fool, I know this game in and out/ And quit trying to tell me about them niggaz down South/ Don't try to slide with that westside shit....I could read you from the getty/ I read you/ I took you to my home and I fed you/ and led you/ Upstairs to a room with 37 niggaz that was strapped up hating/ waiting on you/ Nigga, you the victim/ We don't pick 'em/ We just stick 'em/ And once we get 'em/ We got 'em!!"
That was hard as fuck!! Great album! And which rapper ever spoke about making peace with the East Coat? "I"m sliding down south/ with a blunt in my mouth/ I catch a plain out east/ and try to make some peace/ I'm hanging with my niggaz in the projects/ The homies throwing a party I got get back west!"
Even the downsouth beats were banging. "Fuck them other niggaz coz I'm down with my niggaz"! 8)
Shit, I could go on! "Fuck who wanna kill me/ U niggaz thrill me/ But guess where we'll be/ On top tip top nonstop/ Dogg knock/ U gotta let me in! Coz nigga I'ma shine like a Gem"
The Last Meal showed that Dr. Dre takes Snoop granted!! The best beats were by others producers on there, like the opposite of No Limit Top Dogg. Xzibit got all the beats. Dang, but Snoop still made a better album. Last Meal is when I lost love for Dr. Dre, sorta. Lemme stop! Tough choice though
lol, haha!
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TD
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The Last Meal is such a funky album.. I love it. Has that cohesive sound and feel of a Doggystyle album with banging beats and features. Not to take away from NLTD though. That album had some bangers but overall it wasn't as good as LM imo.
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Last Meal For Me even though Top Dogg Was Dope as hell
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wow! i'm really surprised. i thought top dogg would be the best of the 2. Tha Last Meal was a good album. It was a little too slow for me. But still a good album. I enjoyed Top Dogg the most. It was just straight heat.
Top dogg got my vote
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Definitely the Three Best Snoop Albums!
1. Doggystyle- Perfection
2. No Limit Top Dogg- Great album. We couldn't have asked for anything more than this from Snoop at this stage in his career. So many great tracks, the 3 Dre produced tracks all lived up to the hype, Snoop killed it over Meach Wells "My Heat Goes Boom" and there was really no filler tracks in the whole album.
3. The Last Meal. Also a great album, but fell just short of No Limit Top Dogg.
Other noteworthy album...
4. Snoop Dogg Presents the Eastsidaz- The first album he did with the Eastsidaz at the beggining of 00' was a breath of fresh air for West Coast hip-hop. It was like a revival of the old days.
Other Snoop Albums Fall Way Short of Expectations..
5. Doggfather- Wasn't that bad if taken by itself, but considering the expectations after Doggystyle and the pressure on Snoop to save Death Row, the West Coast, and gangsta rap, it was a collasal failure; if 2pac being killed was like the Titanic hitting the iceberg, this is the first signs of the ship beginning to sink under water.
Rest aren't even worth mentioning....
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"top dogg" for sure! "last meal" was cool but had too many fillers.
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Can someone please list what they consider fillers on Last Meal?
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Can someone please list what they consider fillers on Last Meal?
Ready 2 ryde,I cant swim,Back up off me,game court skit
And their was a few songs that were just ok.
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Can someone please list what they consider fillers on Last Meal?
Ready 2 ryde,I cant swim,Back up off me,game court skit
And their was a few songs that were just ok.
Props
I actually like "Ready 2 Ryde" Funky track, Snoop sounds nice on it. Plus I love the beat and think of Snoop dancing in the Up In Smoke Tour DVD to this instrumental and it made me laugh everytime I seen it. So I don't consider this a filler track.
I Can't Swim - I agree this isn't the best track. Beat is banging in my opinion but yea snoop's lyrics and flow isn't the best on this track.
Back Up Off Me - Agree this track should have been left off but Master P had to get his one track on here... totally doesn't fit the album...
Game Court Skit - Not really needed but shit is funny. Skits are meh sometimes and sometimes cool.. I admit most of the time I skip this.. sometimes I'll listen for a laugh.
I still think Last Meal is a dope album and better than Top Dogg, but yea it would have been way better if you dropped those fillers. Out of the tracks you listed I'd still keep Ready 2 Ryde. I'd keep I Can't Swim if Snoop redid his vocals on it LOL
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The beginning of i cant swim with that annoying fucking voice,i am sir dog!UGH.Makes me turn the song off within three seconds.
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The beginning of i cant swim with that annoying fucking voice,i am sir dog!UGH.Makes me turn the song off within three seconds.
Haha yea I agree that part makes me cringe.. the song is decent at best.. Like I said though I like the beat. Probably what makes me tolerate the track.
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the question should be Bitch Please or Lay low?
Cuz thats the only songs I still listen to off those albums. lol
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the question should be Bitch Please or Lay low?
Cuz thats the only songs I still listen to off those albums. lol
Lay Low. Like I said earlier, Bitch Please was a MONSTER track, put the west back in the forefront, but musically I liked Lay Low better and Dre's beat and X's verse more then Snoop's verses. I am gonna have to bump No Limit Topp Dogg again.
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the question should be Bitch Please or Lay low?
Cuz thats the only songs I still listen to off those albums. lol
Lay Low. Like I said earlier, Bitch Please was a MONSTER track, put the west back in the forefront, but musically I liked Lay Low better and Dre's beat and X's verse more then Snoop's verses. I am gonna have to bump No Limit Topp Dogg again.
Lay Low is sick 8)
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There's more fillers tracks on "Tha Last Meal" and i still think "Back Up Hoe" should have been on the album.
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i think both albums are very dope, but if i'd have to pick which one is better, i think i'd pick "tha last meal" .
after tha last meal, snoop went pop with his solo albums, and that's when i stopped buying his solo records.
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NL Top Dogg Babaaaay !!!
WEST!
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Can someone please list what they consider fillers on Last Meal?
"Brake Fluid", "Loosen Control", "I Can't Swim" and "Back Up Off Me" are the tracks i don't like.
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Can someone please list what they consider fillers on Last Meal?
"Brake Fluid", "Loosen Control", "I Can't Swim" and "Back Up Off Me" are the tracks i don't like.
Props for listing them.
I like Brake Fluid. Dope track and Kokane is the shit on it.
Loosen Control is a okay track. Not the best but a cool track.
Agree on both I Can't Swim & Back Up Off Me.
I listened to NLTD last night and to me it has more fillers than Last Meal. But it does have some serious bangers on it!!!
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No Limit Top Dogg- Great album. We couldn't have asked for anything more than this from Snoop at this stage in his career. So many great tracks, the 3 Dre produced tracks all lived up to the hype, Snoop killed it over Meach Wells "My Heat Goes Boom" and there was really no filler tracks in the whole album.
That's what i'm sayin', there are no tracks that are GARBAGE on this album but "Tha Last Meal" does have the tracks that i listed earlier.
I listened to NLTD last night and to me it has more fillers than Last Meal. But it does have some serious bangers on it!!!
What tracks do you consider fillers on the "Top Dogg" album?
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top dogg ...its got some wack shit like the c-murder track.but overall its more consistent and got more good tracks in different styles...budda. meach, quik, dre etc.. like a real westcoast album should be
last meal is too much fillers and too much funk kokane style...if you are not feeling that you cant even listen to the best tracks( and the album def got classic tracks..nr 2, 4, 5, 8(minus master p" ,10, 12, 19 etc)
1.) Intro
2.) So Damn Hood
3.) Bitch
4.) Do it again
5.) Take the Title
6.) Hoodstar
7.) Suges West Coast
8.) I'm so crooked
9.) Still Tha Row
10.) Lil Youngstaz
11.) I Shoulda Made You My Wife
12.) House Party
13.) The B side
14.) It's Personal
15.) Dollars in My Hand
16.) Live At Tha Row
17.) Me and My Doggs
18.) Outro
Intro fantastic four freestyle
outro tharow dot com
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Both have some filler, I just feel like the more dynamic singles are on Last Meal. Topp Dogg is slightly more consistent but less songs that have had wow and repeat factor for me. Not a bad thing because I can pretty much play both front to back.
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i voted Last Meal even though Top Dogg had some good songs, i could make a dope compilation with the best tracks from both albums
its a shame "No Bacctraccin" with George Clinton didn't make Tha Last Meal album, with meech wells on the production, bootsy collins on the guitar and dr dre on the mixing that song was dopeness. thankfully Meech gave it us in good quality, i still have it in my playlist
also Snoop considered doing a Lost Tape album with unreleased songs from Tha Last Meal sessions in 2002, he should re-think about it
Rud : Some tracks were left off The Last Meal such as "Purple" & "No Bacctrackin" do you have any plans to releases something along the lines of a "Lost Tape" collection?
Snoop Dogg : I might put that out, I might put out a "Snoop Dogg - Lost Tapes" out - cause there was a cupla songs that didn't make my album that I thought were real dope - that coulda been great songs for an album, they just didn't make my album - so - yea i like that idea
http://www.dubcnn.com/interviews/snoopdogg/
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tha last meal
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man thats a hard one cus both are about even. both are a 3.5/5 IMO... if i had to pick one id prolly say Last Meal
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tha last meal, although doggfather gets overlooked as his second best
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easy. tha last meal.
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narrowly The Last Meal. but Top Dogg is a classic too.
I think we can add "Paid the cost to be the boss" to that compare... those 3 albums are very comparable and classics.
My choice would be The Last Meal>Top Dogg> Paid The Cost
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i prefer paid the cost over topp dogg.
that batman and robin shit is wild!
and the other with redman!
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i prefer paid the cost over topp dogg.
that batman and robin shit is wild!
and the other with redman!
Paid Tha Cost is underrated
I would put Last Meal and Top Dogg over it though
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Paid Tha Cost is underrated
I would put Last Meal and Top Dogg over it though
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last meal and top dogg are way better than paid the cost. it’s not even close tbh.
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i prefer paid the cost over topp dogg.
that batman and robin shit is wild!
and the other with redman!
definately underrated. lollipop, paper'd up, ballin, suited and booted... lots of hits for a single album.
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last meal and top dogg are way better than paid the cost. it’s not even close tbh.
they are better but you could make the case for both those albums to be classic
I like Paid Tha Cost because you have Snoop working with Primo, both those tracks were fire
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they are better but you could make the case for both those albums to be classic
I like Paid Tha Cost because you have Snoop working with Primo, both those tracks were fire
paid tha cost is dope no doubt
but top dogg & last meal are near classic
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Definitely the Three Best Snoop Albums!
1. Doggystyle- Perfection
2. No Limit Top Dogg- Great album. We couldn't have asked for anything more than this from Snoop at this stage in his career. So many great tracks, the 3 Dre produced tracks all lived up to the hype, Snoop killed it over Meach Wells "My Heat Goes Boom" and there was really no filler tracks in the whole album.
3. The Last Meal. Also a great album, but fell just short of No Limit Top Dogg.
Other noteworthy album...
4. Snoop Dogg Presents the Eastsidaz- The first album he did with the Eastsidaz at the beggining of 00' was a breath of fresh air for West Coast hip-hop. It was like a revival of the old days.
Other Snoop Albums Fall Way Short of Expectations..
5. Doggfather- Wasn't that bad if taken by itself, but considering the expectations after Doggystyle and the pressure on Snoop to save Death Row, the West Coast, and gangsta rap, it was a collasal failure; if 2pac being killed was like the Titanic hitting the iceberg, this is the first signs of the ship beginning to sink under water.
Rest aren't even worth mentioning....
Doggfather is an incredibly underrated album. And Blue Carpet Treatment also deserves to be mentioned. It’s the next best after those mentioned.
Between NLTD and Last meal that’s really tough and just depends on my mood but I’ll give the edge to Last Meal
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These albums are both comparable... Top Dogg actually started the West Resurgence with Dre and Snoop linking back up and Xzibit’s rise...
Then Last Meal had more Dogghouse input so it’s maybe a bit funkier I think they compare and compliment each other banged the hell out of both albums
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These albums are both comparable... Top Dogg actually started the West Resurgence with Dre and Snoop linking back up and Xzibit’s rise...
Then Last Meal had more Dogghouse input so it’s maybe a bit funkier I think they compare and compliment each other banged the hell out of both albums
Yup great times for the West. To me personally they are classic albums. That Xzibit verse is some of the hardest shit ever
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u guys throwin up the term classic too much IMO and most of the time without a reason.
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Yup great times for the West. To me personally they are classic albums. That Xzibit verse is some of the hardest shit ever
"Bitch Please" was THE moment that marked the start of the West resurgence.. and it was Xzibit's 16 that set it off.. and then news broke that Dre was gonna executive produce Xzibit's 3rd solo.. this all started in Spring of 99'. I remember going out and buying both Xzibit first two albums soon thereafter. "Just Dippin" was a big deal as well cause it was Dre and Snoop trading bar for bar on a track again so it was like return of "G Thang" (and nod to BadAzz cause I think he wrote that track, RIP)
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"Bitch Please" was THE moment that marked the start of the West resurgence.. and it was Xzibit's 16 that set it off.. and then news broke that Dre was gonna executive produce Xzibit's 3rd solo.. this all started in Spring of 99'. I remember going out and buying both Xzibit first two albums soon thereafter. "Just Dippin" was a big deal as well cause it was Dre and Snoop trading bar for bar on a track again so it was like return of "G Thang" (and nod to BadAzz cause I think he wrote that track, RIP)
You’re a little bit older so you probably have a better memory of that time but I remember it pretty well too. I just didn’t realize the significance. I was just in awe of the music like this is the dopest shit I’ve ever heard!!!
Bad Azz wrote Just Dippin?
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"Bitch Please" was THE moment that marked the start of the West resurgence.. and it was Xzibit's 16 that set it off.. and then news broke that Dre was gonna executive produce Xzibit's 3rd solo.. this all started in Spring of 99'. I remember going out and buying both Xzibit first two albums soon thereafter. "Just Dippin" was a big deal as well cause it was Dre and Snoop trading bar for bar on a track again so it was like return of "G Thang" (and nod to BadAzz cause I think he wrote that track, RIP)
as i remember Hittman wrote Dre's verses on Just Dippin.
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as i remember Hittman wrote Dre's verses on Just Dippin.
money
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You’re a little bit older so you probably have a better memory of that time but I remember it pretty well too. I just didn’t realize the significance. I was just in awe of the music like this is the dopest shit I’ve ever heard!!!
Bad Azz wrote Just Dippin?
I got all my liner notes stolen during a move in 2001 (they thought the cd's were inside) but discogs also says written by Bad Azz. Sccit has all the real cd's/liner notes maybe someone can verify. This is from Discogs
https://www.discogs.com/release/13160616-Snoop-Dogg-The-Best-Of-Snoop-Dogg
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I got all my liner notes stolen during a move in 2001 (they thought the cd's were inside) but discogs also says written by Bad Azz. Sccit has all the real cd's/liner notes maybe someone can verify. This is from Discogs
https://www.discogs.com/release/13160616-Snoop-Dogg-The-Best-Of-Snoop-Dogg
bad azz helped write snoop’s verse n hittman wrote dre’s
(https://i.ibb.co/v4NGckW/55-FB1-C24-86-A0-4-C6-A-A396-931174991-A4-A.jpg)
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topp dogg is too no limit to me.
not as no limit as the previous Da game is, but more no limit than tha last meal.
like the singles, got fav tracks besides, but overall cant really like it till nowday.
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topp dogg is too no limit to me.
not as no limit as the previous Da game is, but more no limit than tha last meal.
like the singles, got fav tracks besides, but overall cant really like it till nowday.
tbh theres only 2 No Limit tracks on Top Dogg ;D
Ghetto Symphony
Down for my Ns
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i know.
still.
those feelings. :(
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bad azz helped write snoop’s verse n hittman wrote dre’s
(https://i.ibb.co/v4NGckW/55-FB1-C24-86-A0-4-C6-A-A396-931174991-A4-A.jpg)
I bet Bad Azz came up with the hook and concept as well—Bad Azz always using “Dippin” in his rhymes
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i know.
still.
those feelings. :(
down 4 my nz is way better than the no limit joint on tha last meal
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down 4 my nz is way better than the no limit joint on tha last meal
All the fuccin dipshit ignorant rap fans at my school only liked “Down 4 My Niggaz” and actually bought that album for that song—used to hear that shit bumpin in the school parking lot and disused at lunch tables and never a word about “Bitch Please”
Lol
People forget how big No Limit was in the day, around that time rap fans in KC were switching to Cash Money... these were casual rap fans I’m talking about btw... I was actually the only true head in my whole school aside from H20 Proof who also used to post here at the forum (he was into No Limit but was up on all the other shit as well)
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down 4 my nz is way better than the no limit joint on tha last meal
Once again. Cant change how i FEEL.
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bad azz helped write snoop’s verse n hittman wrote dre’s
(https://i.ibb.co/v4NGckW/55-FB1-C24-86-A0-4-C6-A-A396-931174991-A4-A.jpg)
told ya!! its easy to guess by the way without checking booklet on this about Dre's verse. very specific flow of hitman.
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Some good comments on this post!
Both NL Top Doog & Tha Last Meal are some of my favourite Snoop albums in his catalogue (obviously Doggystyle is no.1). Tha Blue Carpet Treatment is also in the mix.
Paid Tha Boss was a very solid album, but was kinda disappointed Dre was missing.
I have different feelings about NLTD & Last Meal, because after listening to NLTD, I was like DAMN that classic Snoop is back after the disappointing Da Game album.
The Last Meal felt like a more cohesive project and was better put together (I think Dre mixed the majority of the album too).
I feel the are more weaker/average songs on the Last Meal though that I just didn't bother ripping from the CD to my music library. There were only a couple of tracks on NLTD that I always skip - Somethin bout your buisness, Love my momma (beat was tight though). I could just about manage to listen to Down 4 my N'z depending on my mood.
As usual, the main gripe on a lot of Snoop's albums, they are just too long - Too many tracks, interludes that weren't necessary and some tracks could have been shaved rightdown by at least a minute!
Also the advance version of Tha Last Meal had some many dope tracks that never made it to the final release. As someone already posted, Snoop needs to release a 'lost tapes' album of the unreleased tracks. How 'No Bacctraccin' didn't get on there I have no clue! Meach Wells produced some heat on those tracks!
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I have different feelings about NLTD & Last Meal, because after listening to NLTD, I was like DAMN that classic Snoop is back after the disappointing Da Game album.
The Last Meal felt like a more cohesive project and was better put together (I think Dre mixed the majority of the album too).
I feel the are more weaker/average songs on the Last Meal though that I just didn't bother ripping from the CD to my music library. There were only a couple of tracks on NLTD that I always skip - Somethin bout your buisness, Love my momma (beat was tight though). I could just about manage to listen to Down 4 my N'z depending on my mood.
As usual, the main gripe on a lot of Snoop's albums, they are just too long - Too many tracks, interludes that weren't necessary and some tracks could have been shaved rightdown by at least a minute!
Also the advance version of Tha Last Meal had some many dope tracks that never made it to the final release. As someone already posted, Snoop needs to release a 'lost tapes' album of the unreleased tracks. How 'No Bacctraccin' didn't get on there I have no clue! Meach Wells produced some heat on those tracks!
"Purple" was really the only song on The Last Meal advance that I would've added to the final product. Definitely remove the No Limit joint (though Master P probably insisted) and yeah, maybe a couple others could have been trimmed off. Top Dogg really had no filler. You could play that album the whole way through. That's why I give the slight nod to Top Dogg.
Interestingly enough, "Lay Low" is having a big resurgence right now. I'm not sure if Snoop is capitalizing because the video on youtube wasn't even on his official youtube, or No Limit Youtube. But... what happened was there was a viral video of someone like Whitney Houston or Niki Minaj that was floating on the net, where they say at an awards show the catchphrase "YOUUU Better Lay Low!!" So now it's like a catchphrase with black women all over "LAY LOW" or "You BETTER LAY LOW".
So as is the case with trends and catchphases when those type of things catch on your shit explodes through the roof. Just remember how big P's "Make Um Say UHHHH, NA NA NA" got--well guess what.. that catchphrase has also gone viral again recently and everyone is getting back into that song blowing up again and I'm sure P making another round of cheese off of it.
Maybe he can give it to his son Romeo, lol (just kidding, I take P's side in that dispute)
https://youtu.be/x0NxXdR1Eoc
at 3:24 where Whitney says "You Better Lay Low" is viral recently on internet. When I first heard people saying it I thought it was the Snoop song they were referencing and I was like, "oh nice, you got good taste in music." Took me a while to realize most of them saying it don't even know about the Snoop track.
Props to Nate actually for coining it on record.
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"Purple" was really the only song on The Last Meal advance that I would've added to the final product. Definitely remove the No Limit joint (though Master P probably insisted) and yeah, maybe a couple others could have been trimmed off. Top Dogg really had no filler. You could play that album the whole way through. That's why I give the slight nod to Top Dogg.
Interestingly enough, "Lay Low" is having a big resurgence right now. I'm not sure if Snoop is capitalizing because the video on youtube wasn't even on his official youtube, or No Limit Youtube. But... what happened was there was a viral video of someone like Whitney Houston or Niki Minaj that was floating on the net, where they say at an awards show the catchphrase "YOUUU Better Lay Low!!" So now it's like a catchphrase with black women all over "LAY LOW" or "You BETTER LAY LOW".
So as is the case with trends and catchphases when those type of things catch on your shit explodes through the roof. Just remember how big P's "Make Um Say UHHHH, NA NA NA" got--well guess what.. that catchphrase has also gone viral again recently and everyone is getting back into that song blowing up again and I'm sure P making another round of cheese off of it.
Maybe he can give it to his son Romeo, lol (just kidding, I take P's side in that dispute)
https://youtu.be/x0NxXdR1Eoc
at 3:24 where Whitney says "You Better Lay Low" is viral recently on internet. When I first heard people saying it I thought it was the Snoop song they were referencing and I was like, "oh nice, you got good taste in music." Took me a while to realize most of them saying it don't even know about the Snoop track.
Props to Nate actually for coining it on record.
lay low was a term way before the song came out homie
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lay low was a term way before the song came out homie
being pedantic and splitting hairs again... do I have 324 hairs on my head or 322?
It's like the argument over who was the first to coin "G Funk" on a record -- Pac was the first to put it on a big record. The black women going round saying "Lay Low" are saying it mimicking the tone and cadence from Nate in the song. And saying the whole phrase... "YOU BETTER LAY LOW"
It's the whole phrase all together -- "YOU BETTER LAY LOW!"
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I bought both Snoop NL albums
Remember waiting for MTV 2 see "Can't Take The Heat" w Mia X
https://youtu.be/2wO-afpxgEI
NLTD was more West Coast
https://youtu.be/TIH-WcD_ktw
https://youtu.be/n2gPY8gECDU
https://youtu.be/BzTOz0stiS8
https://youtu.be/TMzzKseQM6U
https://youtu.be/dpUD7uUvToI
https://youtu.be/C7iVjGD_0ic
https://youtu.be/a7vtESZNZBM
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I bought both Snoop NL albums
Remember waiting for MTV 2 see "Can't Take The Heat" w Mia X
https://youtu.be/2wO-afpxgEI
“Still A G Thang” was fucking dope cause Meach did the joint it wasn’t really a No Limit track and Snoop still had his prime level swag on “Slow Down” but it was just a generic No Limit single they coulda put on anyone’s album whoever’s turn it was—Snoop signed to the label they already had that single ready for him probably.
But at the end of the day Snoop was still near his prime so he hooked up wit his homie Meach and did “Still A G Thang” to save the day — that was a big joint for me I loved that song and banged the hell out of it and had good nights and good memories to that one summer 98
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“Still A G Thang” was fucking dope cause Meach did the joint it wasn’t really a No Limit track and Snoop still had his prime level swag on “Slow Down” but it was just a generic No Limit single they coulda put on anyone’s album whoever’s turn it was—Snoop signed to the label they already had that single ready for him probably.
But at the end of the day Snoop was still near his prime so he hooked up wit his homie Meach and did “Still A G Thang” to save the day — that was a big joint for me I loved that song and banged the hell out of it and had good nights and good memories to that one summer 98
Both albums had tight NL & west coast flava. "Still a g thang" was one them definitely.
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being pedantic and splitting hairs again... do I have 324 hairs on my head or 322?
It's like the argument over who was the first to coin "G Funk" on a record -- Pac was the first to put it on a big record. The black women going round saying "Lay Low" are saying it mimicking the tone and cadence from Nate in the song. And saying the whole phrase... "YOU BETTER LAY LOW"
It's the whole phrase all together -- "YOU BETTER LAY LOW!"
bro i’m not really splitting hairs, you better lay low has been a very popular phrase WELL before that nate hook
trust me, i too would love to give the goat credit here but it’s about the same as crediting the term “lets get high” to dr dre
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Some good comments on this post!
Both NL Top Doog & Tha Last Meal are some of my favourite Snoop albums in his catalogue (obviously Doggystyle is no.1). Tha Blue Carpet Treatment is also in the mix.
Paid Tha Boss was a very solid album, but was kinda disappointed Dre was missing.
I have different feelings about NLTD & Last Meal, because after listening to NLTD, I was like DAMN that classic Snoop is back after the disappointing Da Game album.
The Last Meal felt like a more cohesive project and was better put together (I think Dre mixed the majority of the album too).
I feel the are more weaker/average songs on the Last Meal though that I just didn't bother ripping from the CD to my music library. There were only a couple of tracks on NLTD that I always skip - Somethin bout your buisness, Love my momma (beat was tight though). I could just about manage to listen to Down 4 my N'z depending on my mood.
As usual, the main gripe on a lot of Snoop's albums, they are just too long - Too many tracks, interludes that weren't necessary and some tracks could have been shaved rightdown by at least a minute!
Also the advance version of Tha Last Meal had some many dope tracks that never made it to the final release. As someone already posted, Snoop needs to release a 'lost tapes' album of the unreleased tracks. How 'No Bacctraccin' didn't get on there I have no clue! Meach Wells produced some heat on those tracks!
the P joint towards the end of Last Meal really was out of place...other than that I have no qualms with the album, classic to me
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the P joint towards the end of Last Meal really was out of place...other than that I have no qualms with the album, classic to me
Y'all gone miss me was my joint
"2pac rest in peace, farewell to my enemies"
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I think Tha Last Meal is the better album overall, but for some reason I go back to NL Top Dogg more often – love the chill songs like Buck 'Em (hellova Dre beat as well), Trust Me, Somethin' Bout Yo Bidness, Doin' Too Much, Just Dippin' or Don't Tell 8)
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Y'all gone miss me was my joint
"2pac rest in peace, farewell to my enemies"
perfect way to end the album 8)
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Y'all gone miss me was my joint
"2pac rest in peace, farewell to my enemies"
Meach was the fuccin dude back then when he linked with Snoop on so many solid cuts, "G Thang", and probably the biggest banger of all with Meach "My Heat Goes Boom" and then this one "Yall Gone Miss Me".
"Purple" and "Ya'll Gone Miss Me" were the only joints I really bumped on the Sampler.
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I think Tha Last Meal is the better album overall, but for some reason I go back to NL Top Dogg more often – love the chill songs like Buck 'Em (hellova Dre beat as well), Trust Me, Somethin' Bout Yo Bidness, Doin' Too Much, Just Dippin' or Don't Tell 8)
"My Heat Goes Boom" > "Ya'll Gone Miss Me" and I love both songs
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Meach was the fuccin dude back then when he linked with Snoop on so many solid cuts, "G Thang", and probably the biggest banger of all with Meach "My Heat Goes Boom" and then this one "Yall Gone Miss Me".
"Purple" and "Ya'll Gone Miss Me" were the only joints I really bumped on the Sampler.
u didn’t like back up hoe or father’s day with xzibit? no bacctraccin??
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u didn’t like back up hoe or father’s day with xzibit? no bacctraccin??
I remember like playing through the sampler and some songs were nice but the only ones I really bumped on repeat were "Ya'll Gone Miss Me" and "Purple". So they must not have been that great if I don't remember them
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u didn’t like back up hoe or father’s day with xzibit? no bacctraccin??
Those are great tracks. Last Meal advance was amazing
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Those are great tracks. Last Meal advance was amazing
might be better than the album shiet
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I remember like playing through the sampler and some songs were nice but the only ones I really bumped on repeat were "Ya'll Gone Miss Me" and "Purple". So they must not have been that great if I don't remember them
they were classix .. all 3 of those joints as well as purple and yall gone miss me
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they were classix .. all 3 of those joints as well as purple and yall gone miss me
Maybe "Purple" they didn't want to re-use the sample it was that same sample they use all the time for Dre and Snoop's or LL's "ZOOM" and it was on that "Smoke Weed" unreleased that DOC wrote for Dre. It was on King T's unreleased Kingdom Come album.
Dre and Snoop must've been a big fan of that sample cause it kept showing up around their camps in a variety of dope cuts
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speaking of the advance anyone remember when Death Row leaked the retail version of Last Meal before it was released?
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Those are great tracks. Last Meal advance was amazing
Snoop should definitely re-release Tha Last Meal for the 25th anniversary with all those leftover tracks
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Snoop should definitely re-release Tha Last Meal for the 25th anniversary with all those leftover tracks
I agree but look at how he’s handled owning death row so far. I wouldn’t hold my breath. That would be up to Master P though since it came out on No Limit and he doesn’t seem to really give a shit about music anymore. Doubt they even have access to those files still
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speaking of the advance anyone remember when Death Row leaked the retail version of Last Meal before it was released?
Yeah those were some strange days when it came to album sales. I’m Infinite trapped in 1996 because the game beyond that I honestly don’t understand. Prior to everyone having a computer artists could pour like 2 years of themselves into an album and play tracks for their label, their homies, and continue to modify that shit until it was right—and then once it was right it would be even more months of creative process that went into building anticipation for an album. So that’s why we still remember the day we first went to the store and bought 7 Day Theory or Doggfather, cause album releases were like events back then. But the internet fucced all that up.
Death Row posted Snoops entire album for free on the net before it could even reach shelves!! I thought for sure Snoop was fucced. And there was a big rivalry in those days with the South and New York having taken over after Pac died and the West was making its comeback and Suge was trying to fucc that up. I was shocked when Snoop still managed to sell like 300,000 or something first week even after being leaked he still had good sales. That was a strange few years when like everyone was leaking and bootlegging albums like MMLP or Get Rich and Die Trying and yet and still they could sell a million in a first week… that was a crazy time but it didn’t last long because eventually all the record stores had to shut down and it’s came to a point now where it’s about streams and the art of creating a classic album is lost
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I agree but look at how he’s handled owning death row so far. I wouldn’t hold my breath. That would be up to Master P though since it came out on No Limit and he doesn’t seem to really give a shit about music anymore. Doubt they even have access to those files still
Yeah, I doubt they'll do any anniversary releases, was just dreaming for a second ;D
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Yeah those were some strange days when it came to album sales. I’m Infinite trapped in 1996 because the game beyond that I honestly don’t understand. Prior to everyone having a computer artists could pour like 2 years of themselves into an album and play tracks for their label, their homies, and continue to modify that shit until it was right—and then once it was right it would be even more months of creative process that went into building anticipation for an album. So that’s why we still remember the day we first went to the store and bought 7 Day Theory or Doggfather, cause album releases were like events back then. But the internet fucced all that up.
Death Row posted Snoops entire album for free on the net before it could even reach shelves!! I thought for sure Snoop was fucced. And there was a big rivalry in those days with the South and New York having taken over after Pac died and the West was making its comeback and Suge was trying to fucc that up. I was shocked when Snoop still managed to sell like 300,000 or something first week even after being leaked he still had good sales. That was a strange few years when like everyone was leaking and bootlegging albums like MMLP or Get Rich and Die Trying and yet and still they could sell a million in a first week… that was a crazy time but it didn’t last long because eventually all the record stores had to shut down and it’s came to a point now where it’s about streams and the art of creating a classic album is lost
you are right, it actually sold close to 400,000 which was very impressive considering Top Dogg 1st week was under 200,000...it did come out the week before Christmas which was a huge sales week back in the day for record stores...I miss those days, never got into the streaming era myself...when I want to listen to an old album I have it on my hard drive which was uploaded from the CDs which I still have
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Meach was the fuccin dude back then when he linked with Snoop on so many solid cuts, "G Thang", and probably the biggest banger of all with Meach "My Heat Goes Boom" and then this one "Yall Gone Miss Me".
"Purple" and "Ya'll Gone Miss Me" were the only joints I really bumped on the Sampler.
"Y’all Gone Miss Me" not produced by Meech actually.
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"Y’all Gone Miss Me" not produced by Meech actually.
Scott Storch
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"Y’all Gone Miss Me" not produced by Meech actually.
Sorry, that shit sounded like Meach, and I got all my fuccin cases and liner notes jacked in summer 01' when I was moving apartments (they thought the cd's were inside) or else I would never make such a mistake cause I used to be real detailed about that shit
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you are right, it actually sold close to 400,000 which was very impressive considering Top Dogg 1st week was under 200,000...it did come out the week before Christmas which was a huge sales week back in the day for record stores...I miss those days, never got into the streaming era myself...when I want to listen to an old album I have it on my hard drive which was uploaded from the CDs which I still have
No doubt homie.. we must be the same age cause we always have the same recollections from that era.
And you mentioned Top Dogg being under 200,000 in his first week—I'd really like to do a deep dive into the history of that Top Dogg album at some point, the way I did with Daz Revenge Retaliation and Get Back (which no one liked or listened to and I spent like full days trying to put together).
If I was doing a deep dive on the Top Dogg album—there are a lot of interesting details surrounding its release. Even though Da Game was a shit album it still had that big lead single released a month in advance of the album "Still A G Thang" which I think did just enough to satisfy his hard core fans like me and also get him radio and video play—get sales off the single ahead of the album—and P even milked it for all he could using the video shoot basically to make an extended movie for VHS starring Snoop.
Well, by the time Top Dogg came around they barely did any promo. And this time instead of having a steller single for a shit album, they actually had a shit single for a stellar album!! They released this garbage...
https://youtu.be/lRrmoAACfic
That didn't get no radio play and barely got on BET. It may have been that they wanted to do something with "Snoopafella" but Suge fucced that up by putting out the Top Dogg version video, which did get some video and airplay.
So the album basically hit shelves with nothing.. hence the 190,000 sold for Snoop which just shows how loyal Snoops fans were that we all still were there supporting him after he let us down on Doggfather and then even worse with Da Game. Still we were all loyal and supporting dogg to the tune of 190,000 sold.
...Of course.. around a month or so later "BITCH PLEASE" started making noise on Radio and Video, the album went platinum, and the rest is West Coast history!!
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Sorry, that shit sounded like Meach, and I got all my fuccin cases and liner notes jacked in summer 01' when I was moving apartments (they thought the cd's were inside) or else I would never make such a mistake cause I used to be real detailed about that shit
The Thing Is Discogs Credits To Different Producers On Each Different Issue Of The Release.
Scott Storch Is One Of Them.
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The Thing Is Discogs Credits To Different Producers On Each Different Issue Of The Release.
Scott Storch Is One Of Them.
That's not how Discogs works. What are you talking about? Scott Storch produced that song.
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No doubt homie.. we must be the same age cause we always have the same recollections from that era.
And you mentioned Top Dogg being under 200,000 in his first week—I'd really like to do a deep dive into the history of that Top Dogg album at some point, the way I did with Daz Revenge Retaliation and Get Back (which no one liked or listened to and I spent like full days trying to put together).
If I was doing a deep dive on the Top Dogg album—there are a lot of interesting details surrounding its release. Even though Da Game was a shit album it still had that big lead single released a month in advance of the album "Still A G Thang" which I think did just enough to satisfy his hard core fans like me and also get him radio and video play—get sales off the single ahead of the album—and P even milked it for all he could using the video shoot basically to make an extended movie for VHS starring Snoop.
Well, by the time Top Dogg came around they barely did any promo. And this time instead of having a steller single for a shit album, they actually had a shit single for a stellar album!! They released this garbage...
https://youtu.be/lRrmoAACfic
That didn't get no radio play and barely got on BET. It may have been that they wanted to do something with "Snoopafella" but Suge fucced that up by putting out the Top Dogg version video, which did get some video and airplay.
So the album basically hit shelves with nothing.. hence the 190,000 sold for Snoop which just shows how loyal Snoops fans were that we all still were there supporting him after he let us down on Doggfather and then even worse with Da Game. Still we were all loyal and supporting dogg to the tune of 190,000 sold.
...Of course.. around a month or so later "BITCH PLEASE" started making noise on Radio and Video, the album went platinum, and the rest is West Coast history!!
for sure...there were some terrible single choices by No Limit, remember this one from "Da Game"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG5g17lB27w
I know they wanted a "No Limit" style anthem after "Still A G Thang" but this wasn't it
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for sure...there were some terrible single choices by No Limit, remember this one from "Da Game"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mG5g17lB27w
I know they wanted a "No Limit" style anthem after "Still A G Thang" but this wasn't it
Yeah, P was always trying to milk these gimmicks and catchphrases. It worked brilliantly with "Make Um Say Uhhh" so he tried many times to do it again but it usually fell on it's face. So instead of "Make Um Say Uhhhhh" he tried to a do a "Make Ummm Say Woof" and it was an embarrassment to Snoop's career and integrity. Dr. Dre had to save his career after that.
P also tried to make the "HOOOTIE HOO" catchphrases big with his song with TRU but it never caught on, Outkast version in 95' was much better if it was gonna catch on it would have then. Then he did the "Wobble Wobble" thing in 99' that caught on a bit
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Yeah, P was always trying to milk these gimmicks and catchphrases. It worked brilliantly with "Make Um Say Uhhh" so he tried many times to do it again but it usually fell on it's face. So instead of "Make Um Say Uhhhhh" he tried to a do a "Make Ummm Say Woof" and it was an embarrassment to Snoop's career and integrity. Dr. Dre had to save his career after that.
P also tried to make the "HOOOTIE HOO" catchphrases big with his song with TRU but it never caught on, Outkast version in 95' was much better if it was gonna catch on it would have then. Then he did the "Wobble Wobble" thing in 99' that caught on a bit
hootie hoo kinda did catch on out here tho
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hootie hoo kinda did catch on out here tho
ahh word.. well, there was a bangin outkast cut on their first album that pushed that phrase but they didn't make it a single.. P was pretty blatant about exploiting that catchphase in early 2000 the TRU album I don't remember it selling well but maybe it caught on out West and did better than I thought
The Cash Money "Wodie" thing caught on pretty big in the midwest, and that stupid ass "Bling, Bling" catchphrase was huge in the midwest in 99/2000