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DUBCC - Tha Connection => Outbound Connection => Topic started by: LyRiCaL_G on February 06, 2006, 11:55:12 AM
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you say your mothers a crack head and kim is a known slut so whats hailey gon be when he grows up............
dayum!!! looking back on this beef, that line is a problem! but its also when he lost to, cuz bringing up a kid is cold and weak, it aint g'd up, but shiit that line is still strong!
whats even more funny is that hiphop was in a better state even back than than this it is now!
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lol eminem flipped after that line :D
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well he ran into that one. always hugging his daughter in his songs, while dissing where she comes from.
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haha
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Mentioning someones girl is one thing but bringing up someones family member especially if its a kid is a bitch thing to do. I lost alot of respect for Ja Rule at the time when he said that but i've gained more since then a lil bit.
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mentioning a dudes dime piece aint shit wrong that, but mentioning a kid.......dayum! but the line was so strong, em bought it on himself
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its all true except for the halie comment... we will have to wait till she's older
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well dissing DMX while saying how ugly his wife is would be some nasty shit too lol
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hip hop is shit now, but at least its made me appriciate classic hip hop alot more, since there is nutin but garbage bein released i buy classic albums and love them more!
ja rule bit off more than he can chew against shady aftermath to be honest,
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you say your mothers a crack head and kim is a known slut so whats hailey gon be when he grows up............
dayum!!! looking back on this beef, that line is a problem! but its also when he lost to, cuz bringing up a kid is cold and weak, it aint g'd up, but shiit that line is still strong!
whats even more funny is that hiphop was in a better state even back than than this it is now!
I think em lost that battle.
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well dissing DMX while saying how ugly his wife is would be some nasty shit too lol
DMX wife is horrible, trust Ja
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That line wit Em wearing a du-rag & wanting to feel black pain was dope too, forgot how it exactly went.
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50-Ja Winner: 50
Dre-Ja : Dre
Em-Ja: Ja
Busta ripped Ja the hardest though 8)
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shady/aftermath won with "shit hits the fan" dre shitted on ja.
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im proud of ja for sayin that. its gay as fuck how eminem can diss any dead celebrity, make fun of columbine and whatever else but then when someone talks about his daughter he goes on tv with those reading glasses on and tries to talk all mature.
btw: i HATED ja rule unti "Loose Change" dropped. i didnt know he could spit like that cuz all i had heard from him was shiet like "Between Me & U" and "Put it On Me"
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you say your mothers a crack head and kim is a known slut so whats hailey gon be when he grows up............
dayum!!! looking back on this beef, that line is a problem! but its also when he lost to, cuz bringing up a kid is cold and weak, it aint g'd up, but shiit that line is still strong!
whats even more funny is that hiphop was in a better state even back than than this it is now!
I think em lost that battle.
word, fuck hiphop nazi, muthafuckin white devil took all our money! lol, im just playing dawg, your posts always bring me joke! keep posting muhfucka! everyone got a opinion!
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by the way the biggest winner out of them all was busta, he shitted on everyone in that beef, he came with ONE diss after all the disses back and forth and closed ranks straight away, aint nobdy really said nuttin to busta since, cuz they know wassup
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im proud of ja for sayin that. its gay as fuck how eminem can diss any dead celebrity, make fun of columbine and whatever else but then when someone talks about his daughter he goes on tv with those reading glasses on and tries to talk all mature.
btw: i HATED ja rule unti "Loose Change" dropped. i didnt know he could spit like that cuz all i had heard from him was shiet like "Between Me & U" and "Put it On Me"
lol@reading glasses
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how did busta get involved in the beef again ?
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by the way the biggest winner out of them all was busta, he shitted on everyone in that beef, he came with ONE diss after all the disses back and forth and closed ranks straight away, aint nobdy really said nuttin to busta since, cuz they know wassup
Chuuch
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how did busta get involved in the beef again ?
Ja said sumthin bout Violater and Busta Rhymes on Loose Change:
Cause Lighty's "Violatin" us, usin his powerpuff
(Fuck you man) cryin bitch to Russell like
They shootin', ah Chris ya shook
And got Bus' rhymin the same old hook
as for Busta not being mentioned afterwards, that aint true. The Hail Mary Remix came after Loose Change, and Ja responded to Busta after on "The Wrap", a freestyle featuring Hussein Fatal from the Outlawz (he took offense that Em, 50 n Busta used a 2Pac song or sumthin like that). Anywayz, this is wut Ja said:
Niggaz is tlaking shit, aw bitch, that's old news
They say I rap to rhythm and blues
But when I turn on the radio, I hear y'all niggaz rappin' it too
He's like "Baby can you give it to me"
Nah, I'ma give it to you
The same way that we gave it to Proof
The same way that we gave it to Loose
Busta didnt need to respond to this though so thats why i assume he left it.
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you say your mothers a crack head and kim is a known slut so whats hailey gon be when he grows up............
dayum!!! looking back on this beef, that line is a problem! but its also when he lost to, cuz bringing up a kid is cold and weak, it aint g'd up, but shiit that line is still strong!
whats even more funny is that hiphop was in a better state even back than than this it is now!
i was saying that since the the beginning, Ja MURDAARED (no pun intended) EM, but i do not think he lost, i think people are too white washed and media washed to appreciate Ja Rule's Talent. he owned eminem, em had nothing to say after that line, it was over at that.
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by the way the biggest winner out of them all was busta, he shitted on everyone in that beef, he came with ONE diss after all the disses back and forth and closed ranks straight away, aint nobdy really said nuttin to busta since, cuz they know wassup
busta then got his car blasted up and yesterday survived a ak-47 attack
he is shook
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im proud of ja for sayin that. its gay as fuck how eminem can diss any dead celebrity, make fun of columbine and whatever else but then when someone talks about his daughter he goes on tv with those reading glasses on and tries to talk all mature.
btw: i HATED ja rule unti "Loose Change" dropped. i didnt know he could spit like that cuz all i had heard from him was shiet like "Between Me & U" and "Put it On Me"
lol@reading glasses
(http://www.eminem-planet.de/galerie/albums/userpics/10005/normal_50887788.jpg)
(http://www.eminem-planet.de/galerie/albums/userpics/10005/normal_50887787.jpg)
(http://www.eminem-planet.de/galerie/albums/userpics/10005/normal_50887783.jpg)
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i was saying that since the the beginning, Ja MURDAARED (no pun intended) EM, but i do not think he lost, i think people are too white washed and media washed to appreciate Ja Rule's Talent. he owned eminem, em had nothing to say after that line, it was over at that.
yeah ja definatly came off crazy during that battle. id say he won, but due to the amount of publicity and dickriders 50 had at the time, no one will really admit that. most of the battle was just eminem and 50 singing hooks and talking at the end of tracks while d12, obie trice, and g-unit did the rapping
oh and to be 100% real anybody can win a battle when you have dr. dre and eminem backing you!
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Everlast did the same thing, nothing near as cold as Ja's comment and Em has a fuckn hissy fit. That's why you keep business and your private life separate.
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shady/aftermath won with "shit hits the fan" dre shitted on ja.
How did Dre shit on Ja? By calling him short? LMAO @ The Dre supporters on this board. Dre says "You're short!" and his "fans" jump up "Yaaaaay for Dre! He won the battle!!!" LMAO. Ya'll don't know Hip Hop.
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Yeah ja shitted on Em in Loose Change. He sounded like i aint never heard him before. He CAME OFF in that song.
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shady/aftermath won with "shit hits the fan" dre shitted on ja.
How did Dre shit on Ja? By calling him short? LMAO @ The Dre supporters on this board. Dre says "You're short!" and his "fans" jump up "Yaaaaay for Dre! He won the battle!!!" LMAO. Ya'll don't know Hip Hop.
Seriously, he had a weak verse & whats even worse is he didnt even write that.
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Sorry if someone else already sed this but i aint got time 2 read through what evryone said....how come that was such a bad thing but 50 sayin....."you mami, you papi that bitch you chasin, you little dirty ass kids, il fuckin erase em"....was just a hard line? Same shit really, if not worse......N shynes "Il reunite you with your moms" was a hard line 2.....
On another note am i the only person that thought loose change was just as good as most of the tracks that were comin Ja's way??....when that made you look beat come on, Ja killed it....and i actually laughed at the bit bout Dre and i class myself a big dre fan.
"Gettin licked on and peed on, am talkin bout faggot ass gay dre young, and Suge told me how you used 2 take transvestites home and occasionally wear thongs" LOLOL.....
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shady/aftermath won with "shit hits the fan" dre shitted on ja.
How did Dre shit on Ja? By calling him short? LMAO @ The Dre supporters on this board. Dre says "You're short!" and his "fans" jump up "Yaaaaay for Dre! He won the battle!!!" LMAO. Ya'll don't know Hip Hop.
Seriously, he had a weak verse & whats even worse is he didnt even write that.
I don't think Dre ever had a better verse.
Lose your sig MoSavThanLegit.
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Lose your sig MoSavThanLegit.
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p.s. nice to see people actually admitting ja did well
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i always kinda liked Ja Rule. his voice is dope as hell.
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well 50 talked about "erasing" Ja´s kids prior to that so i don´t see what´s wrong with Ja talkin about Em´s daugther and sayin he was gonna send 50 to "meet up with mommy". and Ja won the battle as far as songs goes but at the same time he kinda lost it coz he waited too long to respond. and when he finally decided to respond his career was already over.
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LMAO @ ppl here saying ja won the battle....dude lost hardcore...including by eminem....but i will say that the line about em's daughter was real cold but he got killed by everyone including d12...
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Ja lost the battle IMO...but it was never really a fair fight. Shady/Aftermath had a superstar roster locked and loaded and ready to intervene. All Ja had was himself, since no-one was checking for Murder Inc's no name artists. I think he was definitely aided by Fatal's involvement though, gave Ja a certain seal of approval.
Ja's "Loose Change" diss was undeniably hard. When I first heard it, I put it on rewind because I could have never have expected him to come with something that vicious. But, even then, I knew he was doomed to fail because he was going up against one of the strongest teams in the industry. It was only a matter of time until he was shut down the way he was.
Em never really 'got' Ja the same way that Rule hit him on the "Loose Change" track, but to be fair he never really came with a proper response to my knowledge. The "Hail Mary" track was rumoured to have been recorded before "Loose Change" even leaked because apparently Em and 50 were already aware that Ja was gonna drop his diss cut. On "Doe Ray Me" all he did was that furious ad libbing, and while he scattered numerous songs afterwards with disses to Murder INC and Ja, he never got at them with a "Nail In The Coffin" or "Girls" level of diss. That said, maybe he didn't come with such a response because "Loose Change" was so intense. If only he had spit a verse on the D12/Obie cut...
Also, I've said it before but I really believe "Doe Ray Me" was the dopest track to come out of that entire war. Every member of D12 killed it, to some surprise, and Obie absolutely stole the show. I remember, I think it was HipHopSite.com giving Obie one of the verses of the year for his participation on that one. Even though Em didn't rhyme, his rants over the track were cold.
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I don't believe for one second "Hail Mary" was recorded before "Loose Change," to me it sounded like a ploy so people would sympathize with 50 and Em. "Oh they recorded it before Ja's track, so it wasn't really a response." Which to me means "50 and Em dropped the ball, let's cover it up."
Ja, by himself >>>> Shady/Aftermath/G-Unit in that battle. Must hurt.
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I don't believe for one second "Hail Mary" was recorded before "Loose Change," to me it sounded like a ploy so people would sympathize with 50 and Em. "Oh they recorded it before Ja's track, so it wasn't really a response." Which to me means "50 and Em dropped the ball, let's cover it up."
Ja, by himself >>>> Shady/Aftermath/G-Unit in that battle. Must hurt.
agreed
sad to say
but agreed
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Lose your sig MoSavThanLegit.
NEVER! Everytime you long on you are going to see it! AND THE GENERAL WILL BE RIGHT THERE EVERYTIME! DIPSET BITCH!
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I don't believe for one second "Hail Mary" was recorded before "Loose Change," to me it sounded like a ploy so people would sympathize with 50 and Em. "Oh they recorded it before Ja's track, so it wasn't really a response." Which to me means "50 and Em dropped the ball, let's cover it up."
Ja, by himself >>>> Shady/Aftermath/G-Unit in that battle. Must hurt.
yeah "Hail Mary" and the rest of those diss tracks from the Green Lantern mixtape were all recorded AFTER "Loose Change"
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I don't believe for one second "Hail Mary" was recorded before "Loose Change," to me it sounded like a ploy so people would sympathize with 50 and Em. "Oh they recorded it before Ja's track, so it wasn't really a response." Which to me means "50 and Em dropped the ball, let's cover it up."
Ja, by himself >>>> Shady/Aftermath/G-Unit in that battle. Must hurt.
WHAT??? 50 killed Ja by himself with "back down"!!
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Ok, As someone that still respects Ja Rule I still have to be real, I see it as a tie, coz Ja was by his own against all those artists and did fucking well on his fucking own but too late...I think it was a tie lyrically but financially he lost bad...newayz still coppin' ja's albums tho...coz that mofucka got skills and we will see what happens on his next album around july...peac3
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i and 7 prolly as well are talking about your 11 randomly sized and spaced-out pictures
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I don't believe for one second "Hail Mary" was recorded before "Loose Change," to me it sounded like a ploy so people would sympathize with 50 and Em. "Oh they recorded it before Ja's track, so it wasn't really a response." Which to me means "50 and Em dropped the ball, let's cover it up."
Ja, by himself >>>> Shady/Aftermath/G-Unit in that battle. Must hurt.
Must hurt? Haha...are you implying I'm some sort of Shady/Aftermath groupie? Sorry, I haven't bought one of the label's albums since "Get Rich...". A Shady/Aftermath groupie wouldn't admit Ja's diss was undeniably hard, which I have here in this thread (!) and in the past. You say that YOU don't believe the track was recorded before "Loose Change". Fair enough, that's just your opinion. I did say "apparently" after all - I didn't say it was a fact and it could not be true. That's what MTV News reported though. But hey, you don't have to believe them.
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I don't believe for one second "Hail Mary" was recorded before "Loose Change," to me it sounded like a ploy so people would sympathize with 50 and Em. "Oh they recorded it before Ja's track, so it wasn't really a response." Which to me means "50 and Em dropped the ball, let's cover it up."
Ja, by himself >>>> Shady/Aftermath/G-Unit in that battle. Must hurt.
Must hurt? Haha...are you implying I'm some sort of Shady/Aftermath groupie? Sorry, I haven't bought one of the label's albums since "Get Rich...". A Shady/Aftermath groupie wouldn't admit Ja's diss was undeniably hard, which I have here in this thread (!) and in the past. You say that YOU don't believe the track was recorded before "Loose Change". Fair enough, that's just your opinion. I did say "apparently" after all - I didn't say it was a fact and it could not be true. That's what MTV News reported though. But hey, you don't have to believe them.
MTV is on Interscopes payroll...
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actually lookin back, the only good disses the Shady/Aftermath camp had were
"we dont take you serious nigga you shook
you're half of a halfway crook, get off x dick - go sing a hook nigga"
- someone from d12
"i know that afeni shakur dont enjoy jefferey atkins reinactin her boy
so im click clackin a toy"
- obie trice
"keep runnin yo mouth till yo frame is mangled
3 hoes & a nigga, looks like charlies angels - you're not a murderer"
- 50 cent
other than that, the disses were all weak or average. and the funny part is, 50 (the same one whos singin "if you were my bestfriend") spent that whole battle dissin ja for SINGING!
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Ja lost the battle IMO...but it was never really a fair fight. Shady/Aftermath had a superstar roster locked and loaded and ready to intervene. All Ja had was himself, since no-one was checking for Murder Inc's no name artists. I think he was definitely aided by Fatal's involvement though, gave Ja a certain seal of approval.
Ja's "Loose Change" diss was undeniably hard. When I first heard it, I put it on rewind because I could have never have expected him to come with something that vicious. But, even then, I knew he was doomed to fail because he was going up against one of the strongest teams in the industry. It was only a matter of time until he was shut down the way he was.
Em never really 'got' Ja the same way that Rule hit him on the "Loose Change" track, but to be fair he never really came with a proper response to my knowledge. The "Hail Mary" track was rumoured to have been recorded before "Loose Change" even leaked because apparently Em and 50 were already aware that Ja was gonna drop his diss cut. On "Doe Ray Me" all he did was that furious ad libbing, and while he scattered numerous songs afterwards with disses to Murder INC and Ja, he never got at them with a "Nail In The Coffin" or "Girls" level of diss. That said, maybe he didn't come with such a response because "Loose Change" was so intense. If only he had spit a verse on the D12/Obie cut...
Also, I've said it before but I really believe "Doe Ray Me" was the dopest track to come out of that entire war. Every member of D12 killed it, to some surprise, and Obie absolutely stole the show. I remember, I think it was HipHopSite.com giving Obie one of the verses of the year for his participation on that one. Even though Em didn't rhyme, his rants over the track were cold.
ok but the reason i said em killed rule was cuz there was another track called "bump heads" where em,lloyd banks, yayo spit verses and 50 singing the hook where em really layed it on ja...
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I didn't say you were a groupie guy... But if the shoe fits.
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Ja, by himself >>>> Shady/Aftermath/G-Unit in that battle. Must hurt.
Yeah, because everybody knows Ja's career really skyrocketed after their beef :tosser:
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Ja, by himself >>>> Shady/Aftermath/G-Unit in that battle. Must hurt.
Yeah, because everybody knows Ja's career really skyrocketed after their beef :tosser:
get off 50's dick
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em killed ja on that bump heads song?? that verse was weak ... "ima grown man dog come holla how come u didnt say u had a problem then when u was standin there wit all ya men, all u did was slap hands n swallow another one of those little x pills in front of me, and tell me 50 cent is everything you wanna be" ?
but ima say that beat they were spitting on was fire it was like House Music and hip hop combined
true @ dude, for saying 50 was dissing ja for singing, WTFFF HE DOING NOW?????????
LoL@ dj green lantern all over these mixtapes acting hardcore cause at the time he was on g unit
they gave his ass the boot
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Ja, by himself >>>> Shady/Aftermath/G-Unit in that battle. Must hurt.
Yeah, because everybody knows Ja's career really skyrocketed after their beef :tosser:
get off 50's dick
get off my dick.
I just stated the truth - can you argue with my point?
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Ja, by himself >>>> Shady/Aftermath/G-Unit in that battle. Must hurt.
Yeah, because everybody knows Ja's career really skyrocketed after their beef :tosser:
The dude was battling 3 of the biggest names in Hip Hop, did you expect his career to pick up? No. The media was on the side of Dre, Em and 50. But, lyrically, he took that battle.
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Because Jay has sold more than Nas since ether does that mean Jigga won the battle? Dont think so......Coz life after death sold more than 7 day theory, u.t.e.o.t, Better Dayz and all the other posthomous releases does that mean BIG won the battle?.....If we talkn bout commercial battles or battles for sales then yes undoubtedly 50/em won....but 50 had 2 use a style Ja used first and got dissed 4, 2 fill a second album......and obviously Hail Mary was made after Loose Change coz busta takes Ja's line and flips it...."you say buss rhymin the same old hook?/You stiupid nigga".....BUt its funny the amount of people supportin Ja now but at the time while 50 was still hot and Ja needed some support a bet you no1 was sayin Ja won the battle....
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How come noone has mentioned "Go to sleep"? This track was straight fire. Em murdered this track as well as obie and dmx.
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In Go To Sleep Em didn't mention any names. He could've been referring to Ja or Esham on that.
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In Go To Sleep Em didn't mention any names. He could've been referring to Ja or Esham on that.
Doesnt Em say "Ja you'll get it too"
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Because Jay has sold more than Nas since ether does that mean Jigga won the battle? Dont think so......Coz life after death sold more than 7 day theory, u.t.e.o.t, Better Dayz and all the other posthomous releases does that mean BIG won the battle?.....If we talkn bout commercial battles or battles for sales then yes undoubtedly 50/em won....but 50 had 2 use a style Ja used first and got dissed 4, 2 fill a second album......and obviously Hail Mary was made after Loose Change coz busta takes Ja's line and flips it...."you say buss rhymin the same old hook?/You stiupid nigga".....BUt its funny the amount of people supportin Ja now but at the time while 50 was still hot and Ja needed some support a bet you no1 was sayin Ja won the battle....
G-Unit/Shady/Aftermath ended Ja's career. No debate. Jay didn't end Nas' career, infact he just paid him $3,000,000 do sign to Def Jam. Actually Nas and Jay both benefitted from their beef - look at their careers today.
G-Unit is still alive and kickin, where the fuck is Murder Inc? And just so you know, i'm not a fan of either 50 or Ja. They are one in the same to me these days.
Any of you people thinking Ja won the beef with Aftermath are in serious denial, or are arguing just to argue.
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Ja, by himself >>>> Shady/Aftermath/G-Unit in that battle. Must hurt.
Yeah, because everybody knows Ja's career really skyrocketed after their beef :tosser:
The dude was battling 3 of the biggest names in Hip Hop, did you expect his career to pick up? No. The media was on the side of Dre, Em and 50. But, lyrically, he took that battle.
Ja's diss records came too late in the game. Could you honestly take him seriously after he did that Mezmerize joint? What the fuck was that shit? Thats where Ja lost his credibility to me. To me, he lost as soon as he did that song/video. I don't care how "gangsta" he came after that, i looked at him in a different light from there on out. At that time, 50 had a lot more cred than Ja had, so to hear him go against Ja - that was just the nail in the coffin.
The funniest part is that 50 has turned into that wack version of Ja, and his career is gonna burn out soon. He's now scrambling to make "street" records, and sign these "gangsta" acts to try and regain his cred, but i think its too late.
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if i was going to make a diss towards em id diss his daughter too. who gives a fuck? call me low but if thats what it takes to make him have a pissy fit and catch feelings better beleive thats what im going to do. ;D
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50 had never had street cred.
game gets more love and respect in NY than 50 ever did.
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Ja's diss records came too late in the game. Could you honestly take him seriously after he did that Mezmerize joint? What the fuck was that shit? Thats where Ja lost his credibility to me. To me, he lost as soon as he did that song/video. I don't care how "gangsta" he came after that, i looked at him in a different light from there on out. At that time, 50 had a lot more cred than Ja had, so to hear him go against Ja - that was just the nail in the coffin.
The funniest part is that 50 has turned into that wack version of Ja, and his career is gonna burn out soon. He's now scrambling to make "street" records, and sign these "gangsta" acts to try and regain his cred, but i think its too late.
ive said it before and ill say it again - ja ruined his own career with "Mesmerize". when he put out that track, even his female fans got sick of him. its called oversaturation. every single day from 99-03 ALL we heard was ja singing.
50 just came out and stated the obvious. ja's singing and putting out soft music. i put my support behind 50 cuz he said "im about to end all this bubble gum shiet". he fooled me like he fooled millions of others, cuz right after "In Da Club" he came out singing on "21 Questions"
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that mesmerize single did really well though
this is basically summarizing what happened, 50 cent/and EMINEM got all the white people to hate on ja, and once u got that, TRL/MTV is going to follow automatically
ja's a great song writer(dudes talented u can get alotta rappers in the studio and they do not know how to write a complete song) and ill pump some of his shit, i dont think ja's career is over though? he sold somewhere around 700,000 copies of R.U.L.E. which are pretty good numbers
i honestly thought that album was better then the massacre , as it had a mature sound to it ....
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ive said it before and ill say it again - ja ruined his own career with "Mesmerize". when he put out that track, even his female fans got sick of him. its called oversaturation. every single day from 99-03 ALL we heard was ja singing.
50 just came out and stated the obvious. ja's singing and putting out soft music. i put my support behind 50 cuz he said "im about to end all this bubble gum shiet". he fooled me like he fooled millions of others, cuz right after "In Da Club" he came out singing on "21 Questions"
yeah that's completely true. giving 50 all the credit is nonsense. it ain't like 50 put out "wanksta" and then "back down" and the world hated ja!
if you believe that, then you are crazy.
ja lost his own fan base.
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He dissed Em pretty bad with the Haley diss
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im proud of ja for sayin that. its gay as fuck how eminem can diss any dead celebrity, make fun of columbine and whatever else but then when someone talks about his daughter he goes on tv with those reading glasses on and tries to talk all mature.
btw: i HATED ja rule unti "Loose Change" dropped. i didnt know he could spit like that cuz all i had heard from him was shiet like "Between Me & U" and "Put it On Me"
Pick up Venni Vetti Vecci.
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Ja's diss records came too late in the game. Could you honestly take him seriously after he did that Mezmerize joint? What the fuck was that shit? Thats where Ja lost his credibility to me. To me, he lost as soon as he did that song/video. I don't care how "gangsta" he came after that, i looked at him in a different light from there on out. At that time, 50 had a lot more cred than Ja had, so to hear him go against Ja - that was just the nail in the coffin.
The funniest part is that 50 has turned into that wack version of Ja, and his career is gonna burn out soon. He's now scrambling to make "street" records, and sign these "gangsta" acts to try and regain his cred, but i think its too late.
Wait... So Eminem records "Real Slim Shady" but keeps his cred... Ja records "Mesmerize" and loses all cred? Makes no sense. See what I mean about the double standards?
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Ja's diss records came too late in the game. Could you honestly take him seriously after he did that Mezmerize joint? What the fuck was that shit? Thats where Ja lost his credibility to me. To me, he lost as soon as he did that song/video. I don't care how "gangsta" he came after that, i looked at him in a different light from there on out. At that time, 50 had a lot more cred than Ja had, so to hear him go against Ja - that was just the nail in the coffin.
The funniest part is that 50 has turned into that wack version of Ja, and his career is gonna burn out soon. He's now scrambling to make "street" records, and sign these "gangsta" acts to try and regain his cred, but i think its too late.
Wait... So Eminem records "Real Slim Shady" but keeps his cred... Ja records "Mesmerize" and loses all cred? Makes no sense. See what I mean about the double standards?
Those two songs are not comparable.
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How so? Both are overly Pop created for the sole purposes of grabbing more fans/radio play. VERY COMPARABLE.
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Ja's diss records came too late in the game. Could you honestly take him seriously after he did that Mezmerize joint? What the fuck was that shit? Thats where Ja lost his credibility to me. To me, he lost as soon as he did that song/video. I don't care how "gangsta" he came after that, i looked at him in a different light from there on out. At that time, 50 had a lot more cred than Ja had, so to hear him go against Ja - that was just the nail in the coffin.
The funniest part is that 50 has turned into that wack version of Ja, and his career is gonna burn out soon. He's now scrambling to make "street" records, and sign these "gangsta" acts to try and regain his cred, but i think its too late.
Wait... So Eminem records "Real Slim Shady" but keeps his cred... Ja records "Mesmerize" and loses all cred? Makes no sense. See what I mean about the double standards?
Em never had street creed to loose, Ja claimed to be g'd up and he had a rugged gangsta style. It's no wonder nobody's gonna take him serious after turning into what he turned into. Em started being the clown he is, a skilled clown though. Ja was a gangsta rapper with average skill who turned into a scarily corny fag. Of course his fans and everybody who knew him before is gonna be disturbed by this development. Eminem on the other hand, people who absolutely can't stand clowns like him, regardless of skill, never felt him in the first place. Everybody who still felt him, for his skill, had no reason to "turn on him" for droppin more clown shit.
completely different situation.
The excuse Em had for his retarded shit was his skill, once he lost that (or stopped showing it or whatever's wrong with the crack head) people stopped feeling him. You see him gettin props for Encore by his former fans ? nah it sold half what TES sold and those were probably 95% mtv girls who don't really know about skill or nothin and just feel Em for being the clown he is.
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Ja's diss records came too late in the game. Could you honestly take him seriously after he did that Mezmerize joint? What the fuck was that shit? Thats where Ja lost his credibility to me. To me, he lost as soon as he did that song/video. I don't care how "gangsta" he came after that, i looked at him in a different light from there on out. At that time, 50 had a lot more cred than Ja had, so to hear him go against Ja - that was just the nail in the coffin.
The funniest part is that 50 has turned into that wack version of Ja, and his career is gonna burn out soon. He's now scrambling to make "street" records, and sign these "gangsta" acts to try and regain his cred, but i think its too late.
Wait... So Eminem records "Real Slim Shady" but keeps his cred... Ja records "Mesmerize" and loses all cred? Makes no sense. See what I mean about the double standards?
Uh, if you read what i wrote, i said "At that time, 50 had a lot more cred than Ja" - not Em. Whether or not your opinion is that Ja came nicer than everybody else in that beef, the fact remains that Ja's career has not been the same since. 50 / Em careers have been doing just fine (both are now slipping as well, but thats from there own doing, not Ja's).
I own Venni Vitti Vicci (the only Ja album i have). When he originated he def had a "gangsta" image, and he went on to get millions by selling out. He no doubt cashed in when he was doing Mesmerize type joints, but he alienated his core fan base that bumped VVV.
You say cats got double standards for Em, but i think you're wrong. Em dropped "Real Slim Shady". Were you surprised and appalled that he would do that type of joint at that time? No, that is what was expected. It was in the same vein as "My Name Is", "Role Model", and "Guilty Conscience". Those fans that purchased his major label debut were not let down by the MMLP. So no, there is no double standard - you're dealing with apples and oranges here.
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Uh, if you read what i wrote, i said "At that time, 50 had a lot more cred than Ja" - not Em. Whether or not your opinion is that Ja came nicer than everybody else in that beef, the fact remains that Ja's career has not been the same since. 50 / Em careers have been doing just fine (both are now slipping as well, but thats from there own doing, not Ja's).
I own Venni Vitti Vicci (the only Ja album i have). When he originated he def had a "gangsta" image, and he went on to get millions by selling out. He no doubt cashed in when he was doing Mesmerize type joints, but he alienated his core fan base that bumped VVV.
You say cats got double standards for Em, but i think you're wrong. Em dropped "Real Slim Shady". Were you surprised and appalled that he would do that type of joint at that time? No, that is what was expected. It was in the same vein as "My Name Is", "Role Model", and "Guilty Conscience". Those fans that purchased his major label debut were not let down by the MMLP. So no, there is no double standard - you're dealing with apples and oranges here.
You act as if "Mesmerize" was his first radio-friendly-sing-song-for-the-bitches joint ever. So, see where I'm going with the double standards? You say Em's was expected, by the time 50 started dissing Ja, he had already made his name by making joints like "Mesmerize." That's what I'm talking about with the double standards. You say one thing about Em, but flip it about another artist.
Niyasin: You can read above as well. Everyone always has an excuse for Eminem making garbage tracks, as long as he was their favorite. Now that he's losing popularity, people are beginning to see the trash he does and has put out.
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Uh, if you read what i wrote, i said "At that time, 50 had a lot more cred than Ja" - not Em. Whether or not your opinion is that Ja came nicer than everybody else in that beef, the fact remains that Ja's career has not been the same since. 50 / Em careers have been doing just fine (both are now slipping as well, but thats from there own doing, not Ja's).
I own Venni Vitti Vicci (the only Ja album i have). When he originated he def had a "gangsta" image, and he went on to get millions by selling out. He no doubt cashed in when he was doing Mesmerize type joints, but he alienated his core fan base that bumped VVV.
You say cats got double standards for Em, but i think you're wrong. Em dropped "Real Slim Shady". Were you surprised and appalled that he would do that type of joint at that time? No, that is what was expected. It was in the same vein as "My Name Is", "Role Model", and "Guilty Conscience". Those fans that purchased his major label debut were not let down by the MMLP. So no, there is no double standard - you're dealing with apples and oranges here.
You act as if "Mesmerize" was his first radio-friendly-sing-song-for-the-bitches joint ever. So, see where I'm going with the double standards? You say Em's was expected, by the time 50 started dissing Ja, he had already made his name by making joints like "Mesmerize." That's what I'm talking about with the double standards. You say one thing about Em, but flip it about another artist.
Niyasin: You can read above as well. Everyone always has an excuse for Eminem making garbage tracks, as long as he was their favorite. Now that he's losing popularity, people are beginning to see the trash he does and has put out.
What?
Eminem kept putting out the same type of music. Ja Rule started out as a gangster rapper then for the next 3 years he just sang r&b sht with Ashanti. There is no double standard. If Eminem started rapping about gangbanging and and tossing up sets then he flipped his script.
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Uh, if you read what i wrote, i said "At that time, 50 had a lot more cred than Ja" - not Em. Whether or not your opinion is that Ja came nicer than everybody else in that beef, the fact remains that Ja's career has not been the same since. 50 / Em careers have been doing just fine (both are now slipping as well, but thats from there own doing, not Ja's).
I own Venni Vitti Vicci (the only Ja album i have). When he originated he def had a "gangsta" image, and he went on to get millions by selling out. He no doubt cashed in when he was doing Mesmerize type joints, but he alienated his core fan base that bumped VVV.
You say cats got double standards for Em, but i think you're wrong. Em dropped "Real Slim Shady". Were you surprised and appalled that he would do that type of joint at that time? No, that is what was expected. It was in the same vein as "My Name Is", "Role Model", and "Guilty Conscience". Those fans that purchased his major label debut were not let down by the MMLP. So no, there is no double standard - you're dealing with apples and oranges here.
You act as if "Mesmerize" was his first radio-friendly-sing-song-for-the-bitches joint ever. So, see where I'm going with the double standards? You say Em's was expected, by the time 50 started dissing Ja, he had already made his name by making joints like "Mesmerize." That's what I'm talking about with the double standards. You say one thing about Em, but flip it about another artist.
Niyasin: You can read above as well. Everyone always has an excuse for Eminem making garbage tracks, as long as he was their favorite. Now that he's losing popularity, people are beginning to see the trash he does and has put out.
What the fuck are you talking about? You said Em lost his cred when he did Real Slim Shady - what the fuck are you basing that on? Did you interpret my name is as a street anthem? Real Slim Shady was nothing but an uptempo My Name Is. So no, i don't see your double standard.
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Uh, if you read what i wrote, i said "At that time, 50 had a lot more cred than Ja" - not Em. Whether or not your opinion is that Ja came nicer than everybody else in that beef, the fact remains that Ja's career has not been the same since. 50 / Em careers have been doing just fine (both are now slipping as well, but thats from there own doing, not Ja's).
I own Venni Vitti Vicci (the only Ja album i have). When he originated he def had a "gangsta" image, and he went on to get millions by selling out. He no doubt cashed in when he was doing Mesmerize type joints, but he alienated his core fan base that bumped VVV.
You say cats got double standards for Em, but i think you're wrong. Em dropped "Real Slim Shady". Were you surprised and appalled that he would do that type of joint at that time? No, that is what was expected. It was in the same vein as "My Name Is", "Role Model", and "Guilty Conscience". Those fans that purchased his major label debut were not let down by the MMLP. So no, there is no double standard - you're dealing with apples and oranges here.
You act as if "Mesmerize" was his first radio-friendly-sing-song-for-the-bitches joint ever. So, see where I'm going with the double standards? You say Em's was expected, by the time 50 started dissing Ja, he had already made his name by making joints like "Mesmerize." That's what I'm talking about with the double standards. You say one thing about Em, but flip it about another artist.
Niyasin: You can read above as well. Everyone always has an excuse for Eminem making garbage tracks, as long as he was their favorite. Now that he's losing popularity, people are beginning to see the trash he does and has put out.
What the fuck are you talking about? You said Em lost his cred when he did Real Slim Shady - what the fuck are you basing that on? Did you interpret my name is as a street anthem? Real Slim Shady was nothing but an uptempo My Name Is. So no, i don't see your double standard.
When you don't have an argument you make one up!
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How do you not see the double standard? Eminem was supposed to be the greatest emcee out. Yet, he would drop garbage like "Real Slim Shady" and people like you two would just look past it as a ploy for mainstream acceptance. Now, when Ja Rule does it, there's a problem. He lost his cred. Ja been making songs like that. That wasn't the first time he made something of that nature. Eminem only had one song like "Real Slim Shady" and that was "My Name Is..." Regardless if he wasn't making street records or not, he was supposed to be the greatest emcee out and he wasn't proving that by dropping shit like "Real Slim Shady," which causes him to lose cred as an emcee.
When you deny the fact that you hold double standards, it makes it that much easier to expose.
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eminem still showcased his talents as an emcee on those songs. more so on real slim shady then my name is, theyre just korny, hell tell you that himself. Ja went from a tupac like rapper to a nelly type rapper so he alianted his hardcore fans. Eminem didnt completely switch his style with real slim shady, its just a korny song. so obviously people who like eminem dont care about the real slim shady cause hes still the same, while to ja rules fans, he loses cred cause hes a different type of rapper. so although theyre both songs for the general public, eminem was much smarter about it, so people dont give as hard a time for it.
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How was he different? LOL. I swear you people must've never even heard his albums.
6 Feet Underground, Die, Fuck You, The Rule Won't Die, Dial M for Murder, Down Ass Bitch, Worldwide Gangsta, Smokin And Ridin, Pop Niggas, The Pledge Remix, Murder Me, The Warning, Connected.
Unforunately, Nelly was never making songs like these. How exactly did he change? He still made his hood/hardcore songs, but catered to the females at the same time. You say Em was smart about it? How wasn't Ja? LOL. Ja never switched his style, he was still singing on his first album too. He was the same rapper, but on a bigger scale... That was the ONLY difference.
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How was he different? LOL. I swear you people must've never even heard his albums.
6 Feet Underground, Die, Fuck You, The Rule Won't Die, Dial M for Murder, Down Ass Bitch, Worldwide Gangsta, Smokin And Ridin, Pop Niggas, The Pledge Remix, Murder Me, The Warning, Connected.
Unforunately, Nelly was never making songs like these. How exactly did he change? He still made his hood/hardcore songs, but catered to the females at the same time. You say Em was smart about it? How wasn't Ja? LOL. Ja never switched his style, he was still singing on his first album too. He was the same rapper, but on a bigger scale... That was the ONLY difference.
yup. completely agree. he has had both types of songs on his albums from start to finish.
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I have i think 4 ja albums, but i never really sat down and listened to them. Your probly right, I wasnt taking sides that was just the impression ive gotten from the music i have heard and the argument you guys were havin.